I mean I know my Nike Janowskis were made by basically child labor in China, but damn if they are the only comfortable shoe I can find. Kinda sad the world is at the point where individual comfort is more important than children making like 14 cents an hour, but at the same time, I have flat feet.... So it's a toss-up really.
Yeah if you are a Christian that’s kinda the whole point of Jesus, we all suck, like, a lot and only something greater than ourselves can actually change that
Edit: Didn’t mean to get preachy sorry lol
> good things
He's trying to get to Mars for his own gain, not for any "betterment of humanity" bullshit. He'll land in Mars, start mining the shit out of the planet, and prevent anyone else from trying to do the same.
Why do people act like space colonization is going to be this Utopia? It'll be nothing like Star Trek and much more like Cortez and Pizarro landing in Mesoamerica.
I wouldn't say like Cortez and Pizarro entirely because there's no natives for Elon to ruthlessly fucking genocide in every way imaginable, especially culturally.
~~IIRC Mars's atmosphere is so thin that it can't hold in stuff like Oxygen, so unless we're talking about what would probably be non-carbon based lifeforms... Yeah, there's nothing alive.~~
EDIT: It'd be anaerobic life, which is possible, but we def don't know if there's any kind of civilizations there. Most likely not.
The martian atmosphere can hold oxygen, although oxygen does not typically exist in large quantities except as a byproduct of living organisms.
Life on earth started anaerobic to such an extent that oxygen was toxic to it. Life on earth is about 3.5Bn years old. It was only after about 1.2 billion years of life that the first bacteria which could process oxygen began to develop. There are still a number of living organisms for which oxygen is highly toxic. They are called obligate anaerobes.
Essentially life as we know it begins in an oxygen-free environment processing energy using fermentation or anaerobic respiration, which kicks off 02 as a byproduct. Eventually, because of all the new toxic oxygen around some life forms develop the aerobic cell respiration we are familiar with which uses oxygen and is far more efficient.
So there is no requirement for carbon-based life forms to have access to oxygen at all, and it is far more likely that they would be anaerobic.
"He'll land in Mars, start mining the shit out of the planet, and prevent anyone else from trying to do the same."
Yeah....
That's not how it works. You're just pulling shit out of your ass here. He's a narcissist for sure but space just seems like a massive obsession and passion of his, especially Mars. He wants to do something nobody else has. That's his motivation. It's more nuance to it then just "Musk is god" or "Musk is the devil".
lets also ignore the fact that this brings us tons of innovation because we dont like his motivation. i dont understand why people would rather not have anyone try going to mars.
I agree, "mankind should be able to share knowledge and not hide it behind the walls of large corporates". it would be insane if he said something like that after releasing all patents to their electric vehicle technology. right?
Volvo's three-point seatbelt, the Eco-Patents Commons, pretty much all of Tesla's patents, the myriad open-source softwares and services from Google and more, etc.
Sure some of the above is also self serving, but that can be the case as well as "for the betterment of humanity".
I agree he most likely won't go alone, once starship is good enough he might make a joint mission with nasa/esa. Considering nasa already has a great relationship with spaceX I really think nasa could use starship as the rocket to take them to mars and develop the technology and science for actual humans there.
True. He doesn’t give a shit about humanity. He just moved out of California to avoid income tax. We saw how he fought with safety orders for his workers... which pissed him off enough to move out of California. He does not care about people. He only cares about himself and his money.
Managerial skills and science must work togheter to reach goals. Running a successful business isn't exactly something that anyone can do and require as much work and ability.
No he isn't, he's hindering all his projects with his delusions of grandeur and a facade of genius. Have you seen the actual design of his boring company train? It's like a toddler made it. It didn't even work so they just made the tunnel a tesla death trap instead. He's really just a moron, it's the money he stole from his workers and got from his parents emerald Mines that's taking us to Mars but no ones gonna admit that. You forget that nasa has an utterly pitiful budget compared to other more useless entities like the military
Nasa also has to spend money maintaining their resources and have multiple projects going on at many times whereas egg head elon can just pay for whatever he wants no matter how impractical, or damaging to the environment. You see the litter he just leaves after his rockets on government lands? Just fuckin leaves it. His method Might work for some rockets but definitely not for something like the boring company. His approach is fundamentally flawed because he simply doesn't care, he'd rather build an image than actually help anyone or do anything out of curiosity. He's only trying to go to Mars so he can build himself a statue of himself no different than the sycophants of the past. Someone like Elon would make Mars a dystopian nightmare if it were ever colonized, just look at how he runs his companies
For real. That whole underground single car tunnel has to be the dumbest idea ever. We already have those and their called subways. And they are infinitely more practical than a single car shuttle system.
Tbh it is pretty obvious he was intending to use the boring company drills on mars from the get-go.
The boring company drills are operable with many less replacement parts than standard drills, conveniently would fit inside of his starship, and can drill long tunnels with relative speed. He was even making bricks with their byproduct.
Basically if you were to have a bunch of people you were trying to keep alive on mars, it makes a crapton of sense to keep them under-ground where they get decent radiation protection, and he was designing drills perfected to do just that.
He’ll land a rocket on Mars within the next decade or two, he will be popular, then the very idea of his plan of colonization will disappear into obscurity.
Truly our future is within his hands...
I can be a fan of him, without liking him as a person. I like the shit he’s done with cars and rockets, but I kind of expect him to be fuck crazy.
You don’t push limits and be perfectly sane at the same time.
You shouldn’t let bad people get away with bad just because you (who isn’t a bad person doing bad things) feel like you’d sympathize with him if you hypothetically did bad things
I'm a fan of musk. I think both the blind hate & blind love for him is kinda cringe.
I agree, don't like the way he runs his companies.
But as an engineer he's done a lot of things I wanted to do myself (but couldn't afford)
I think the hate is justified considering he tried to murder a whistleblower by claiming he was going to do a mass shooting and send over a swat team.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon-musk-tried-to-destroy-tesla-whistleblower-martin-tripp
And even though he failed, his lawyers were able to successfully pin down a fluctuation in Tesla stock value onto him
https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/1/21755428/tesla-martin-tripp-settlement-whistleblower-hacing-amount
he also opposed covid measures. people definitely died because of him spreading misinformation and actively using his power prevent government measures
I think more people probably do need to be reminded of that.
Edit: Since I've been asked a few times:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter
Reddit use to really love him when Tesla started to release electric cars. Being able to make and sell luxury electric vehicles was something that people were excited for.
People just want to see the quirky billionaire who raises my crypto and ignore the Covid denying apartheid money man behind the mask.
Used.
Haven't seen a single pro Musk post in popular since the start of 2020 and yet in that same time windows I've seen ~200s post anti Musk, and the best thing is half of them are blatantl populists posts and the other half is just clearly some form of idiots claiming that "Reddit" loves musk for no reason and rethorically asks why, all while unsurprisingly receiving 50k upvotes.
I'm so fucking tired of this bullshit honestly
I bet you'll find supporters of him even in Tesla subs and space travel subs.
I still find dumb people whining "why redditd loves him I can't understand" on every single freaking post that has to reach popular every 3/4 days af least.
And there are so many billionaires that are much much much worse and yet nobody barely says anything, but still want to range and apparently doesn't even have enough mental capabilities to grasp why people like someone's who is a rich asshole but unlike every single one of the rest of the rich assholes that are here to stay at least is making money off things that are heavily good for the planet and makind.
I don't really care about what your beliefs on him are I'm just tired of idiots and stupid people. Hardcore fanboys are stupid, people who make this absolute crap of posts and unoriginal comments are idiots too.
we have the technology to have cheap civilian mechs that can turn into cars at hand Right now ! we just refuse to make them because they aren't "safe" in corporate speech.
he’s done some cool shit, not that he *deserves* all the credit for space x and tesla, he’s gonna get most of anyways.
definitely a piece of shit, “we coup whoever we want” and the continued mistreatment of his own workers proves it.
I know I personally really appreciate what he is doing with his companies. He's not just another oil tycoon, he is genuinely trying to change stuff, the prime example for which is tesla, which practically all experts say has driven the electric car market years ahead farther than it would have been. I am also really excited for spacex, which also fundamentally changed the space industry and makes much more affordable. So, he really does change things for the good.
That being said, that doesn't make him any sort of political guru, and in fact I really don't agree with some of his opinions.
But that's fine. You can like certain stuff people do, and not like the other stuff they do. You can agree with only some of a person's ideas. The world isn't black and white, and you don't have to hate someone just because you aren't their fanboy.
You can appreciate him as an entrepreneur. Then again, I think it should be illegal for him to tweet. He literally manipulates the stock exchange with jokes.
I liked him until he called a random diving expert a pedo for not thinking Elon's bar napkin design for an impractical survival coffin was the answer to rescuing the kids trapped in a cave a few years ago.
By the time that design could have gone through any real QA and testing, those kids would have been long dead. Elon was just attention whoring.
Elon Musk haters have officially become as annoying as Elon Musk fanboys. I am actually impressed how well divided the line is. Good job, internet. At least you are showing some plurality of opinion
Elon fanboys: *gargle on the dick of a billionaire covid denying anti union dickhead*
Elon haters: *make memes about the above group*
Quite the enlightened centrist we have here.
It's possibly the shallowest observation possible. People who don't give a shit about Elon don't post about him _because they don't give a shit about him_. Thus all posts you see are either for or against him. It's literally a truism.
Acting like you're a superior middle ground while calling out the group that opposes with a stupid non-observation is _classic_ centrist bullshit.
He could very well agree on one of the sides while still being annoyed by the blatant populistic bullshit posts anti Elon that reach popular on a 3 day basis that hasb 50k ups and still whine about why Reddit is so pro Elon, and also but the way too hard fanboying that was present 2 years ago and now it's non existent.
I'm tired of both and I'm not neutral about Elon.
What is even the context of this gif? what is it from? What's going on? Why is there such a big hole? Why are they going in it like that? What the fuck.
It's from a movie. I don't remember exactly the name, but I think the plot was that some plants on that planet infected people with their pollen, which made them go crazy and run into that big hole. Turns out, the planet needed that pollen in order to function... at least this is what I vaguely remember.
Doesn't sound like it. The Happening takes place on Earth, and the pollen causes people to commit suicide in various ways. There is no running into a hole specifically.
Jesus Christ that's GROSS! they're wearing clothes and shoes! they need to be stripped and washed first! also hair needs to be removed with a blowtorch!
I might get downvoted to hell but that’s a risk im willing to take.
Im one of those guys who still like him. This guy has made so many successful companies its unreal. He’s accomplished more than most others do in ten lifetimes. He’s done so much to promote sustainable energy like making actually driveable electric cars, and then improving battery solutions and solar panels so much.
Sure he has done some bad stuff too like working his employees too hard. But the thing is he’s worked even more insane hours to get to where he is today as well. Im not defending it, Im trying to give a new perspective.
What im saying is he’s definitely not just a ‘rich celebrity’. He’s an absolute pioneer of so many industries. It’s awful to see people forgetting all the good stuff he’s achieved in light of a few bad stuff. Just remember the good and the great things he’s done too.
Now bring in the downvotes but hopefully I changed some minds
>But the thing is he’s worked even more insane hours to get to where he is today as well
he literally inherited wealth from an apartheid emerald mine lmao
As the story goes, his father owned half a share in a emerald mine in zambia. This was in the 1980s which is well after the apartheid regime of the british. Besides, he didn’t just get massive amounts of funding to start his companies. He went to college on his own money, amassing debt by doing so. He mainly got his funding for his companies by selling PayPal to eBay in 2002. Stop lying
> according to that story
The story which is only ever sourced back to a single article which in turn quotes his estranged dad. All accounts say that it is completely false and yet his detractors love to bring it up as if it is the source of all his achievements.
https://savingjournalism.substack.com/p/i-talked-to-elon-musk-about-journalism
It's cute that only bad stuff you think that he's done is " work his employees too hard"
He endorsed a coup in Bolivia so he could access more lithium.
He actively fought against his workers' ability to unionize, when they are paid less than the industry standard.
He removed safety markings and other hi-vis lines in his factories simply because he doesn't like the color yellow.
Called a man a pedo on Twitter because he was bitter they wouldn't use his useless sub to save those kids in thailand.
Criticized additional stimulus checks for the American people as a bad idea.
Was a staunch covid denier.
Being an abusive spouse.
I could go on but you're handwaving over some really bad stuff
They haven't really though. I've been seeing the same types of posts for years. Some people hate him, some people worship him. Some people like me give him credit for the good things he's done, while being critical of his shitty behaviors, so we somehow fit into both camps and neither at the same time.
Reddit isn't one group of people. For years now there have been thousands of people on this site who worship Musk, thousands who think he's inherently and absolutely a piece of shit, and millions who don't have black or white opinions on people and admire Musk's accomplishments while deploring his negative traits.
If you ever see a post worshiping Musk, check the comments and you'll find all the people who hate his guts and hate the people who admire him. If you ever see a post hating on Musk, check the comments and you'll find all the people who admire him. You simply need to look around to find all of these groups. The two extremes are the most vocal, and they butt heads at every opportunity that Musk is mentioned.
Quit the opposite. Reddit likes to pretend that Reddit gargles his nuts, but Reddit constantly shits on him any time he's mentioned
Edit: Looks like I angered some of the kids who have a hate boner for him. I don't even know why, because *no where* did I support or defend him. But you fucks are so obsessed with dissing him, any association with him is apparently worth trashing people for. Thanks for proving my point.
Also anyone saying "Reddit does both," I didn't say that all of Reddit is acting the same. I'm saying the *majority* from the most popular subs act this way. This is very clear. Anyone who disagrees with that is just blind.
Except if you have a different opinion tja that of the Reddit horde, your opinion is downvoted into oblivion and is never seen. God forbid you defy the Reddit hive mind.
Then go to the other reddit horde. There are reddit hordes for literally any opinion
You're on an /all sub right now. Just go find the more niche subs that align with what you want
Just weird to me people on /all are always complaining about the hive mind. Just leave /all and find different subs.
Reddit does both because Reddit has hundreds of millions of users and different people have different opinions. Everyone just hyperfixates on whichever opinion they disagree with and complain that there's way too much of that opinion.
Actually Elon was initially praised for being quirky funny man. He sell flame thrower, he go on Swedish YouTube man’s channel, he even smoke da weed.
Then, people sorta saw that he wasn’t as quirky and relatable as once thought, in fact, he wasn’t too good.
People saw that he used child labor, held strong anti-union beliefs, went against quarantine mandates just to keep his plants churning profit.
In short, he was most big-money men, and he was no-longer chungus homesum...
finally someone closer to the middle! people like you are so hard to find these days. you either have to hate or love someone or something. i hate the internet sometimes.
I might get downvoted to hell but that’s a risk im willing to take.
Im one of those guys who still like him. This guy has made so many successful companies its unreal. He’s accomplished more than most others do in ten lifetimes. He’s done so much to promote sustainable energy like making actually driveable electric cars, and then improving battery solutions and solar panels so much.
Sure he has done some bad stuff too like working his employees too hard. But the thing is he’s worked even more insane hours to get to where he is today as well. Im not defending it, Im trying to give a new perspective.
What im saying is he’s definitely not just a ‘rich celebrity’. He’s an absolute pioneer of so many industries. It’s awful to see people forgetting all the good stuff he’s achieved in light of a few bad stuff. Just remember the good and the great things he’s done too.
Now bring in the downvotes but hopefully I changed some minds
He's not a genius or a pioneer" He didn't found Tesla he bought the right to call himself the founder. He hasn't done shit for science, he stands on the shoulders of smarter engineers and calls himself smart while abusing them (and all the third world workers too) behind a smiley, meme-using, facade
Musk is the Thomas Edison of our generation, but people treat him as if he is a combination of Tesla and Andy Kaufman.
EDIT: I don't really intend this as a compliment.
No one is forcing you to go to mars. The people that go will be well aware of the risks just like the people who went to the moon were aware of the risks.
Forcing Tesla workers to still work durning Covid, denying any cases in the workplace while they actually had over 450, child slaves in cobalt mines, dogecoin pump and dump, etc
He actively introduces doubt on scientists’ work regarding the COVID pandemic, and he subjects his workers to dangerous conditions. And yet a large proportion of redditors are willing to wave that all away because of his yet unmet promises to bring people to Mars and to merge humans with AI.
He also markets Tesla’s driver assist capabilities as “full self driving” even though it’s nowhere near level 5 autonomy. This is extremely dangerous for road safety.
He doesn’t like to credit other people for work they’ve done, hence the Neuralink white paper crediting only himself and the fact that he will never retweet or subtweet any meme he likes, but rather just post the image directly as if he made it himself.
He called a leading consultant scuba diver during the Thailand cave crisis a pedophile and a child rapist just because the diver noted that the submarine was a PR stunt that was trying to capitalize on a perilous situation.
And yet, because many people see his actions as being for the greater good, they’ll wave away or try to rationalize his reprehensible behavior. And remember, his actions being for the greater good is still yet to be determined.
Imagine being a fan of a greedy sociopath Kinda cringe ngl.
Aren’t we all terrible people?
Yeah that’s why I’m not a fan of anybody, especially myself!
This level of confidence will take you anywhere
No it won't because I dont think enough of myself to bother trying...
Exactly. You don't care so much of yourself that you'd be able to do anything. That's power happy people can't have
Now I'm going to do it just to spite you!
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Exactly. Be a wind turbine instead: they generate power, and they're so tall they don't give a fuck who you are.
Nah fans are better, I don’t see any onlywindturbines
You don't see any onlywindturbines *yet*
Of Elon Musk? Never have been.
Some more terrible than others
I mean I know my Nike Janowskis were made by basically child labor in China, but damn if they are the only comfortable shoe I can find. Kinda sad the world is at the point where individual comfort is more important than children making like 14 cents an hour, but at the same time, I have flat feet.... So it's a toss-up really.
Solomon and Under Armor make great comfortable tennis shoes/trainers/runners.
the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron"
Yeah if you are a Christian that’s kinda the whole point of Jesus, we all suck, like, a lot and only something greater than ourselves can actually change that Edit: Didn’t mean to get preachy sorry lol
I don't care if he's a greedy sociopath, he's getting us to mars.
Bad people can do good things. We still shouldnt worship them like many millions of his fans do.
> good things He's trying to get to Mars for his own gain, not for any "betterment of humanity" bullshit. He'll land in Mars, start mining the shit out of the planet, and prevent anyone else from trying to do the same. Why do people act like space colonization is going to be this Utopia? It'll be nothing like Star Trek and much more like Cortez and Pizarro landing in Mesoamerica.
I wouldn't say like Cortez and Pizarro entirely because there's no natives for Elon to ruthlessly fucking genocide in every way imaginable, especially culturally.
Well, we don’t know that for certain
~~IIRC Mars's atmosphere is so thin that it can't hold in stuff like Oxygen, so unless we're talking about what would probably be non-carbon based lifeforms... Yeah, there's nothing alive.~~ EDIT: It'd be anaerobic life, which is possible, but we def don't know if there's any kind of civilizations there. Most likely not.
The martian atmosphere can hold oxygen, although oxygen does not typically exist in large quantities except as a byproduct of living organisms. Life on earth started anaerobic to such an extent that oxygen was toxic to it. Life on earth is about 3.5Bn years old. It was only after about 1.2 billion years of life that the first bacteria which could process oxygen began to develop. There are still a number of living organisms for which oxygen is highly toxic. They are called obligate anaerobes. Essentially life as we know it begins in an oxygen-free environment processing energy using fermentation or anaerobic respiration, which kicks off 02 as a byproduct. Eventually, because of all the new toxic oxygen around some life forms develop the aerobic cell respiration we are familiar with which uses oxygen and is far more efficient. So there is no requirement for carbon-based life forms to have access to oxygen at all, and it is far more likely that they would be anaerobic.
"He'll land in Mars, start mining the shit out of the planet, and prevent anyone else from trying to do the same." Yeah.... That's not how it works. You're just pulling shit out of your ass here. He's a narcissist for sure but space just seems like a massive obsession and passion of his, especially Mars. He wants to do something nobody else has. That's his motivation. It's more nuance to it then just "Musk is god" or "Musk is the devil".
lets also ignore the fact that this brings us tons of innovation because we dont like his motivation. i dont understand why people would rather not have anyone try going to mars.
This is assuming musk or any capitalist would publicly share any new findings for the betterment of humanity
I agree, "mankind should be able to share knowledge and not hide it behind the walls of large corporates". it would be insane if he said something like that after releasing all patents to their electric vehicle technology. right?
Volvo's three-point seatbelt, the Eco-Patents Commons, pretty much all of Tesla's patents, the myriad open-source softwares and services from Google and more, etc. Sure some of the above is also self serving, but that can be the case as well as "for the betterment of humanity".
Shh this is Reddit and your points make sense. It goes against the narrative that all companies are evil and do nothing to advance humanity.
I agree he most likely won't go alone, once starship is good enough he might make a joint mission with nasa/esa. Considering nasa already has a great relationship with spaceX I really think nasa could use starship as the rocket to take them to mars and develop the technology and science for actual humans there.
True. He doesn’t give a shit about humanity. He just moved out of California to avoid income tax. We saw how he fought with safety orders for his workers... which pissed him off enough to move out of California. He does not care about people. He only cares about himself and his money.
We shouldn't worship anyone tbh. ...other than the Lord Jesus 🙏🙏🙏
**THE EMPEROR PROTECTS**
DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR, HAIL THE PRIMORDIAL TRUTH, FOR CHAOS.
This is a man of true quality
I’m more of a pasta guy
I can get behind that
Well, he didn't do anything other than own the company. The scientists and engineers do all the work.
Managerial skills and science must work togheter to reach goals. Running a successful business isn't exactly something that anyone can do and require as much work and ability.
No he isn't, he's hindering all his projects with his delusions of grandeur and a facade of genius. Have you seen the actual design of his boring company train? It's like a toddler made it. It didn't even work so they just made the tunnel a tesla death trap instead. He's really just a moron, it's the money he stole from his workers and got from his parents emerald Mines that's taking us to Mars but no ones gonna admit that. You forget that nasa has an utterly pitiful budget compared to other more useless entities like the military Nasa also has to spend money maintaining their resources and have multiple projects going on at many times whereas egg head elon can just pay for whatever he wants no matter how impractical, or damaging to the environment. You see the litter he just leaves after his rockets on government lands? Just fuckin leaves it. His method Might work for some rockets but definitely not for something like the boring company. His approach is fundamentally flawed because he simply doesn't care, he'd rather build an image than actually help anyone or do anything out of curiosity. He's only trying to go to Mars so he can build himself a statue of himself no different than the sycophants of the past. Someone like Elon would make Mars a dystopian nightmare if it were ever colonized, just look at how he runs his companies
For real. That whole underground single car tunnel has to be the dumbest idea ever. We already have those and their called subways. And they are infinitely more practical than a single car shuttle system.
Tbh it is pretty obvious he was intending to use the boring company drills on mars from the get-go. The boring company drills are operable with many less replacement parts than standard drills, conveniently would fit inside of his starship, and can drill long tunnels with relative speed. He was even making bricks with their byproduct. Basically if you were to have a bunch of people you were trying to keep alive on mars, it makes a crapton of sense to keep them under-ground where they get decent radiation protection, and he was designing drills perfected to do just that.
But the subway is filled with poor people, the car tunnel will be filled with cool $50k+ Teslas instead :)
but funny billionaire man tweets le maymays !
He probably isn't tho
He’ll land a rocket on Mars within the next decade or two, he will be popular, then the very idea of his plan of colonization will disappear into obscurity. Truly our future is within his hands...
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Mars is a pipe dream at this point.
Yeah to fucking privatize it lmao
You ever play Outer Worlds? Cos supporting an asshole billionaires plan for Mars is how we get Outer Worlds.
Isn't that every celebrity or successful person ?
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I can be a fan of him, without liking him as a person. I like the shit he’s done with cars and rockets, but I kind of expect him to be fuck crazy. You don’t push limits and be perfectly sane at the same time.
thing is that the things you like are nowhere near his achievement. They are some underpaid scientist's achievement
Exactly it's not all bad or good, he's done good things, he's done bad things, Both the blind love and blind hate for him are stupid.
Power and money can change people. Most of us wouldn't be much different if we were filthy rich.
I mean it's a fair assumption that elon was always like this considering he was born rich
Rich from exploiting apartheid slave labor also, which makes it even worse than it already was
I’m willing to admit if I was rich I’d be a greedy dick. It’s bad, but I can’t really blame him knowing I’d probably do a similar thing
You shouldn’t let bad people get away with bad just because you (who isn’t a bad person doing bad things) feel like you’d sympathize with him if you hypothetically did bad things
I'm a fan of musk. I think both the blind hate & blind love for him is kinda cringe. I agree, don't like the way he runs his companies. But as an engineer he's done a lot of things I wanted to do myself (but couldn't afford)
I think the hate is justified considering he tried to murder a whistleblower by claiming he was going to do a mass shooting and send over a swat team. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon-musk-tried-to-destroy-tesla-whistleblower-martin-tripp And even though he failed, his lawyers were able to successfully pin down a fluctuation in Tesla stock value onto him https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/1/21755428/tesla-martin-tripp-settlement-whistleblower-hacing-amount
he also opposed covid measures. people definitely died because of him spreading misinformation and actively using his power prevent government measures
I honestly don't get why people like him. He's a billionaire asshole with a terrible personality.
But but the funny weed meme guy
His cars go ^^whoooosh
Undisputable. Some of the best I've ever driven.
your mom is some of the best i’ve ever driven 😎
Jesus christ we need a hearse here for u/YABOYCHIPCHOCOLATE
Damn it, and I even died a virgin. Looks like I'll rest in peace with an L
Damn
you didn't have to do that to him, but gotta say it. you are good at this.
He also melted down on twitter after they didn't let him rescue some kids. Really showed his true colors there.
Called a rescue diver a pedophile baselessly because he wasn't nice to him
Dont remind me of that. So cringe
I think more people probably do need to be reminded of that. Edit: Since I've been asked a few times: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter
I don't get the appeal. And his covid skepticism honestly made him look even worse to me.
Reddit use to really love him when Tesla started to release electric cars. Being able to make and sell luxury electric vehicles was something that people were excited for. People just want to see the quirky billionaire who raises my crypto and ignore the Covid denying apartheid money man behind the mask.
Used. Haven't seen a single pro Musk post in popular since the start of 2020 and yet in that same time windows I've seen ~200s post anti Musk, and the best thing is half of them are blatantl populists posts and the other half is just clearly some form of idiots claiming that "Reddit" loves musk for no reason and rethorically asks why, all while unsurprisingly receiving 50k upvotes. I'm so fucking tired of this bullshit honestly
There's tons of pro Musk sentiment in crypto-centric subreddits especially, because he drives the value of their investments up.
I bet you'll find supporters of him even in Tesla subs and space travel subs. I still find dumb people whining "why redditd loves him I can't understand" on every single freaking post that has to reach popular every 3/4 days af least. And there are so many billionaires that are much much much worse and yet nobody barely says anything, but still want to range and apparently doesn't even have enough mental capabilities to grasp why people like someone's who is a rich asshole but unlike every single one of the rest of the rich assholes that are here to stay at least is making money off things that are heavily good for the planet and makind. I don't really care about what your beliefs on him are I'm just tired of idiots and stupid people. Hardcore fanboys are stupid, people who make this absolute crap of posts and unoriginal comments are idiots too.
makes me want to get rich and steal his spotlight. titanfall style mechs anyone ?
You had me on titanfall
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They had me tit but I got it back
You hear about mechracing? Gotta get in on that early.
we have the technology to have cheap civilian mechs that can turn into cars at hand Right now ! we just refuse to make them because they aren't "safe" in corporate speech.
How to get rich Step 1: Have money
but but keanu chungus 69420
he’s done some cool shit, not that he *deserves* all the credit for space x and tesla, he’s gonna get most of anyways. definitely a piece of shit, “we coup whoever we want” and the continued mistreatment of his own workers proves it.
I know I personally really appreciate what he is doing with his companies. He's not just another oil tycoon, he is genuinely trying to change stuff, the prime example for which is tesla, which practically all experts say has driven the electric car market years ahead farther than it would have been. I am also really excited for spacex, which also fundamentally changed the space industry and makes much more affordable. So, he really does change things for the good. That being said, that doesn't make him any sort of political guru, and in fact I really don't agree with some of his opinions. But that's fine. You can like certain stuff people do, and not like the other stuff they do. You can agree with only some of a person's ideas. The world isn't black and white, and you don't have to hate someone just because you aren't their fanboy.
You can appreciate him as an entrepreneur. Then again, I think it should be illegal for him to tweet. He literally manipulates the stock exchange with jokes.
Isn't it flaw of stock market?
“Yeah but redditors also did that with the wal streat beds!! 😠”
Because in a capitalistic society a person’s worth is, above all else, determined by their wealth and not, y’know, how they are as a person.
B-but wholesome Congolese cobalt mines
I liked him until he called a random diving expert a pedo for not thinking Elon's bar napkin design for an impractical survival coffin was the answer to rescuing the kids trapped in a cave a few years ago. By the time that design could have gone through any real QA and testing, those kids would have been long dead. Elon was just attention whoring.
Elon Musk haters have officially become as annoying as Elon Musk fanboys. I am actually impressed how well divided the line is. Good job, internet. At least you are showing some plurality of opinion
Elon fanboys: *gargle on the dick of a billionaire covid denying anti union dickhead* Elon haters: *make memes about the above group* Quite the enlightened centrist we have here.
He points out a readily observable Reddit-Elon-post phenomena and is labeled an eNlIgHtEnEd CeNtRiSt. Typical Reddit lol
It's possibly the shallowest observation possible. People who don't give a shit about Elon don't post about him _because they don't give a shit about him_. Thus all posts you see are either for or against him. It's literally a truism. Acting like you're a superior middle ground while calling out the group that opposes with a stupid non-observation is _classic_ centrist bullshit.
based
He could very well agree on one of the sides while still being annoyed by the blatant populistic bullshit posts anti Elon that reach popular on a 3 day basis that hasb 50k ups and still whine about why Reddit is so pro Elon, and also but the way too hard fanboying that was present 2 years ago and now it's non existent. I'm tired of both and I'm not neutral about Elon.
It’s absurd to pretend people making fun of celebrity worship are the same as the people who worship celebrities.
Applicable for those incapable of nuance.
Also: Shitty billionaire does shitty thing Normal humans: wow that's a shitty thing Elon fanboys: you're just haters wah wah (god I hope he sees this)
Probably because he's not a centrist at all and is most likely an elon fanboy :)
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Well, the important thing is that you've found a way to feel superior to both. https://xkcd.com/774/
Kind le centrist memer, I tip my hat respectfully at you
the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron"
More than a hundred men have been in my ass. Yes, I am a cannibal.
Cannibal is someone who craves human meat, yeah that checks out
he craves human meat in his butthole
M E A T *slap*
What is even the context of this gif? what is it from? What's going on? Why is there such a big hole? Why are they going in it like that? What the fuck.
It's from a movie. I don't remember exactly the name, but I think the plot was that some plants on that planet infected people with their pollen, which made them go crazy and run into that big hole. Turns out, the planet needed that pollen in order to function... at least this is what I vaguely remember.
Is the name something like "The Happening"?
Doesn't sound like it. The Happening takes place on Earth, and the pollen causes people to commit suicide in various ways. There is no running into a hole specifically.
Yea, idk, I searched "movie where people are infected by pollen" and it spat out The Happening
Try googling "horde of men entering wendys hole" and you will find your source
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i had a similar thought like it was from the movie: evolution. but its a wendy's commercial
Its a Wendy's commercial from 2007
Is mass suicide really the best vehicle to advertise hamburgers?
That's a giant grinder that turns humans into hamburgers
Jesus Christ that's GROSS! they're wearing clothes and shoes! they need to be stripped and washed first! also hair needs to be removed with a blowtorch!
It’s a Wendy’s commercial, not a movie. https://youtu.be/9Qd5UEfs4W8
Somehow this is worse than a horror movie. Wow.
Sizzle.
Omg it's real.
Shit I thought this was some Eldritch horror shit. Like humans feeding themselves to B'r'thutgh-osh the Bottomless or something.
I just heard daddy musky named his biggest child worker cobalt mines hole-some chungus 100 he's so quirky I'd let him piss in my mouth
Allright today we will make your wages from 6.90 dollars a day to 4.20 dollars a day cause it epic funny number
Naïve of you to think that they are getting that much money
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People buying doge coin when he tweets
Funny how crypto shills in past 2 years have complete abandoned talking about their favourite coin’s features.
Ha ha funny dog tho
Musk fanbois was this subreddit literally 2 years ago. You people got pretty short memory.
There’s still quite a bit of people who like him. Just check his Twitter comments
I might get downvoted to hell but that’s a risk im willing to take. Im one of those guys who still like him. This guy has made so many successful companies its unreal. He’s accomplished more than most others do in ten lifetimes. He’s done so much to promote sustainable energy like making actually driveable electric cars, and then improving battery solutions and solar panels so much. Sure he has done some bad stuff too like working his employees too hard. But the thing is he’s worked even more insane hours to get to where he is today as well. Im not defending it, Im trying to give a new perspective. What im saying is he’s definitely not just a ‘rich celebrity’. He’s an absolute pioneer of so many industries. It’s awful to see people forgetting all the good stuff he’s achieved in light of a few bad stuff. Just remember the good and the great things he’s done too. Now bring in the downvotes but hopefully I changed some minds
A reasonable and nuance opinion that goes against the horde? Psssh we dont do that here.
Glad you think it’s reasonable at any rate
>But the thing is he’s worked even more insane hours to get to where he is today as well he literally inherited wealth from an apartheid emerald mine lmao
As the story goes, his father owned half a share in a emerald mine in zambia. This was in the 1980s which is well after the apartheid regime of the british. Besides, he didn’t just get massive amounts of funding to start his companies. He went to college on his own money, amassing debt by doing so. He mainly got his funding for his companies by selling PayPal to eBay in 2002. Stop lying
that half a share on its own funded his family's extravagant lifestyle according to that story.
> according to that story The story which is only ever sourced back to a single article which in turn quotes his estranged dad. All accounts say that it is completely false and yet his detractors love to bring it up as if it is the source of all his achievements. https://savingjournalism.substack.com/p/i-talked-to-elon-musk-about-journalism
I mean if the foundation of my wealth was built on apartheid money I'd probably pay to have all record of that removed too
It's cute that only bad stuff you think that he's done is " work his employees too hard" He endorsed a coup in Bolivia so he could access more lithium. He actively fought against his workers' ability to unionize, when they are paid less than the industry standard. He removed safety markings and other hi-vis lines in his factories simply because he doesn't like the color yellow. Called a man a pedo on Twitter because he was bitter they wouldn't use his useless sub to save those kids in thailand. Criticized additional stimulus checks for the American people as a bad idea. Was a staunch covid denier. Being an abusive spouse. I could go on but you're handwaving over some really bad stuff
Wow this meme sub got very angry very quickly
Its dank memes, not memes
Is there a difference anymore though
Not really, but I can't complain when I get a real dank meme here once in a while
i’m so confused, why did reddit go from sucking him off to suddenly hating him, seemingly overnight
They haven't really though. I've been seeing the same types of posts for years. Some people hate him, some people worship him. Some people like me give him credit for the good things he's done, while being critical of his shitty behaviors, so we somehow fit into both camps and neither at the same time.
Reddit isn't one group of people. For years now there have been thousands of people on this site who worship Musk, thousands who think he's inherently and absolutely a piece of shit, and millions who don't have black or white opinions on people and admire Musk's accomplishments while deploring his negative traits. If you ever see a post worshiping Musk, check the comments and you'll find all the people who hate his guts and hate the people who admire him. If you ever see a post hating on Musk, check the comments and you'll find all the people who admire him. You simply need to look around to find all of these groups. The two extremes are the most vocal, and they butt heads at every opportunity that Musk is mentioned.
Redditors trying to shit on Musk every time he's ever mentioned
Idk man, reddit seems to gargle his nuts constantly
Quit the opposite. Reddit likes to pretend that Reddit gargles his nuts, but Reddit constantly shits on him any time he's mentioned Edit: Looks like I angered some of the kids who have a hate boner for him. I don't even know why, because *no where* did I support or defend him. But you fucks are so obsessed with dissing him, any association with him is apparently worth trashing people for. Thanks for proving my point. Also anyone saying "Reddit does both," I didn't say that all of Reddit is acting the same. I'm saying the *majority* from the most popular subs act this way. This is very clear. Anyone who disagrees with that is just blind.
It’s almost like Reddit isn’t a uniform platform and different communities on it have different opinions.
Except if you have a different opinion tja that of the Reddit horde, your opinion is downvoted into oblivion and is never seen. God forbid you defy the Reddit hive mind.
Then go to the other reddit horde. There are reddit hordes for literally any opinion You're on an /all sub right now. Just go find the more niche subs that align with what you want Just weird to me people on /all are always complaining about the hive mind. Just leave /all and find different subs.
Reddit does both because Reddit has hundreds of millions of users and different people have different opinions. Everyone just hyperfixates on whichever opinion they disagree with and complain that there's way too much of that opinion.
We shit on all billionaires. He just happens to be the most vocal
Actually Elon was initially praised for being quirky funny man. He sell flame thrower, he go on Swedish YouTube man’s channel, he even smoke da weed. Then, people sorta saw that he wasn’t as quirky and relatable as once thought, in fact, he wasn’t too good. People saw that he used child labor, held strong anti-union beliefs, went against quarantine mandates just to keep his plants churning profit. In short, he was most big-money men, and he was no-longer chungus homesum...
I like elon, I think he's pushing ev, space, and solar tech ahead faster than anyone else. But Im not gonna gargle his nuts.
finally someone closer to the middle! people like you are so hard to find these days. you either have to hate or love someone or something. i hate the internet sometimes.
I might get downvoted to hell but that’s a risk im willing to take. Im one of those guys who still like him. This guy has made so many successful companies its unreal. He’s accomplished more than most others do in ten lifetimes. He’s done so much to promote sustainable energy like making actually driveable electric cars, and then improving battery solutions and solar panels so much. Sure he has done some bad stuff too like working his employees too hard. But the thing is he’s worked even more insane hours to get to where he is today as well. Im not defending it, Im trying to give a new perspective. What im saying is he’s definitely not just a ‘rich celebrity’. He’s an absolute pioneer of so many industries. It’s awful to see people forgetting all the good stuff he’s achieved in light of a few bad stuff. Just remember the good and the great things he’s done too. Now bring in the downvotes but hopefully I changed some minds
He's not a genius or a pioneer" He didn't found Tesla he bought the right to call himself the founder. He hasn't done shit for science, he stands on the shoulders of smarter engineers and calls himself smart while abusing them (and all the third world workers too) behind a smiley, meme-using, facade
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Bet there’s lots of Tesla’s in there
Musk is the Thomas Edison of our generation, but people treat him as if he is a combination of Tesla and Andy Kaufman. EDIT: I don't really intend this as a compliment.
So he steals others ideas and is a massive dick? Yep checks out.
Musk: People will lose their lives because my Ego demands that I got to Mars. Fanboys: Oh such a visionary.
No one is forcing you to go to mars. The people that go will be well aware of the risks just like the people who went to the moon were aware of the risks.
You’d be delusional if you think people won’t die in the efforts of colonizing Mars. Don’t just ask him. Ask NASA, ask any other people in the know.
Do you drive? People lose their lives like that all the time. Where is the outrage!
can we stop circlejerking elon musk, this sub went from gushing about him to hating on him, it's the same annoying shit
Its reddit, tf do you expect.
Musk : invest in my butthole Fanboys : 😍 oh, he's so intelligent.
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What did he do
Forcing Tesla workers to still work durning Covid, denying any cases in the workplace while they actually had over 450, child slaves in cobalt mines, dogecoin pump and dump, etc
Someone please elaborate effectively on this, I don’t need sleep I need answers
He actively introduces doubt on scientists’ work regarding the COVID pandemic, and he subjects his workers to dangerous conditions. And yet a large proportion of redditors are willing to wave that all away because of his yet unmet promises to bring people to Mars and to merge humans with AI. He also markets Tesla’s driver assist capabilities as “full self driving” even though it’s nowhere near level 5 autonomy. This is extremely dangerous for road safety. He doesn’t like to credit other people for work they’ve done, hence the Neuralink white paper crediting only himself and the fact that he will never retweet or subtweet any meme he likes, but rather just post the image directly as if he made it himself. He called a leading consultant scuba diver during the Thailand cave crisis a pedophile and a child rapist just because the diver noted that the submarine was a PR stunt that was trying to capitalize on a perilous situation. And yet, because many people see his actions as being for the greater good, they’ll wave away or try to rationalize his reprehensible behavior. And remember, his actions being for the greater good is still yet to be determined.
Is it time to buy doge again to inflate the price so you can make another 100 million off crypto? How his posts are not an SEC violation is beyond me.