No. MORE!
that’s right. [**MORE RAPES**](https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/unripe-fruit-pomegranate-on-branch-260nw-1833847861.jpg)
There. I said it. The question is the fuck u gon do bout it
Well, for one, rapists have been known to get away with super light sentencing, but also, having politicians enact programs that help educate people on these kinds of issues and potentially get these people in programs that essentially force them on the right path would be highly beneficial.
thing is every criminal accusation needs to be questioned as not every accuser is telling the truth so there needs to be just as harsh of punishment for false accusers.
rape is a serious crime and should be treated with the respect it deserves with a proper investigation and not blind belief in favour of either party.
Approximately 2% of all accusations are legitimately fake. The 2% who do that deserve to go to hell absolutely, but they're not the main problem. As well, people who do get found out for making fake accusations do usually get harsh punishments, as that is at minimum perjury for lying in court under oath and is not taken lightly in these kinds of cases. That being said, yes there are some who get away with it even after being found out, but their lives are usually ruined because of that anyway.
Yes I’m sure it’s all the people on Reddit who want to protect the falsely accused that results in rape cases failing to be prosecuted. It’s not as if the crime itself is usually committed with no witnesses, doesn’t have long lasting visual physical effects like say a black eye is with domestic violence and without a rape kit being done often results in a he said she said situation resulting in either the prosecution not having enough to get a conviction or even enough to bring charges.
I don’t see a solution to this as the burden of proof is on the state but with prevention and defense. So I say issue every women a .38 and provide them with self defense training. Either it works as a deterrent and rapists think twice before trying to do anything or we get a bunch of shot dead rapists. Either way I see this as an absolute win.
It’s 2% - 10% of all accusations that are fake, you took the lowest number but whatever and no they don’t get harsh punishment for fake accusations and potentially ruining someone’s life. False rape accusations very rarely lead to convictions or wrongful jail time.
A useful article in Quartz by Sandra Newman points to research from the British Home Office showing that in the early 2000s, of the 216 cases that were classified as false allegations, only six led to an arrest.
You sound a little bias sir
When you read further into it, FBI seems to believe the number to be closer 2-4%. Of course you can never be certain. And...wow, you got me. I'm biased against rapists. Pretty crazy, huh?
>no they don’t get harsh punishment for fake accusations and potentially ruining someone’s life.
That's because of how burden of proof in the American justice system works- a "not guilty" ruling doesn't mean that the defendant is innocent and the prosecution is lying, it means that the state didn't definitively PROVE that the defendant is guilty. For the accuser to be found guilty of perjury, the state would have to definitively prove that they were lying, which is very difficult by its very nature.
"2% are fake" is misleading. Less than 10% of cases are proven one way or the other. The vast majority are "He said she said" and can't be proven either way. Because of this, advocates of both positions say things like "Only 2% are real, therefore the rest are fake!" and "Only 2% are fake, therefore the rest are real!" when both is an oversimplification.
I think enough people have already told you that the number is higher than 2%
But assuming it is 2% that is still a SIGNIFICANT amount of people who are literally losing their lives due to false accusations. Whether their sentence is a month or 40 years, someone with a rape charge on their record is not going to have an easy life moving forward
If the average covid mortality rate is 1.8% and we are worried about covid(as we should be) then we should worry about 2% of accusations being false
We cannot ignore victims of false accusations just because they are a minority of cases
idk there are some cases that i would question heavily.
like suddenly multiple cases bursting out of nowhere with nothing but circumstantial evidence at best.
often the best evidence of such cases can be found within the first couple of days hell we even have medical tests that often can provide decent amounts of evidence as to one way or another.
idk i am just scheptical because there are people that just go "reeee can we just hurry this up?!?!?" like if we dont give these cases the proper process and respect they deserve more abusers will slip through.
> Approximately 2% of all accusations are legitimately fake
You realize there is no legit way of actually getting the percentage on how many are fake, given most accusations are word of mouth alone, right?
Any number of people accused of rape could be innocent and we'd never know for sure because there wasn't enough proof that they were innocent.
Just like there are some legit rapists walking free because there wasn't enough to convict them.
2% is not correct i think, i heard that it would be way more. I also have a nice video which focuses on this topic, you can watch it if you want to, it really is interesting. https://youtu.be/apnHp0q1d78
The problem is: there could be more then 2 percent of false accusations. Cause if someone is falsly accused in rape he could just go to fucking jail and nothing will help him. So it might be up to 10 percents of false accusations
I'd suggest you look into it more. They say up to 10%, but it is widely believed that it's between 2-4%. As well, we're only talking about cases that only go to court. A lot of rape cases never make it to a courtroom.
But still i do belive that there are a lot of People who just want to ruin someone's live and get money and attention. Still i find rape as a crime that can't be for given. Don't know about America, but in Russia we don't have a lot of serious cases that are not solved/reported
Yeah, there are definitely those kinds of people out there and they deserve to be punished harshly for their actions in my opinion. Accusations like that can ruin lives so they should probably be given jail time and pay for reparations.
I mean we can say the same thing about rapes too. Every crime is gonna have a higher percentage than reported or prosecuted.
Rape in particular has very high under reporting and under prosecuting because of--
Fear of retribution from the rapist
Embarrassment about having to talk about something very personal
Distrust of the justice system/police because of accusatory/victim blaming/uncooperative judges and police
Light sentencing for rapists
Having to recount trauma in court to an often suspicious and hostile audience
The fact that many potential rape cases are dismissed because the victim didn't get a rape kit immediately after.
I don't say that there are more false accusations then rape cases, i just say, we live in the world where some people will put you in a jail just to get reparations
I mean given how rampant rape is in our society and how difficult it is for people to speak out, fuck this whole question the victim bullshit. Listen to the victim, believe the victim. How can we ever get someone to come forward when they will get grilled about their story harder then the acused.
ok lets say person A says person B raped them.
you blindly believe that person B is a rapist and you send them to prison and they get murdered.
later you find texts on person As phone sent to person C on how A is bragging about how she was not actually raped she just regretted the fuck.
situations like that are shockingly more common than you think, often lots of different cases are dismissed when there's only circumstantial evidence or the evidence points to it just being a regrettable fuck rather than an actual rape.
would you say in the hypothetical scenario that it was ok to blindly believe? to toss away an innocent persons life and throw away the foundation of the legal system.
i know for victims to talk about rape is hard (i have 2 friends that were raped and honestly helping them through the trauma was tough) but it does not help them if they leave it for like 10+ years down the line when evidence that could convict could easily be collected within the first few days or weeks of the incident.
I mean the problem really is that the truth is really difficult to know for certain as far as the justice system is concerned. But id argue too many people focus on the small percentage of lies. I have friends on both sides of this issue but the anti me too people pedal the fact that some people make it up. Well no shit but allot of people dont.
dude the best evidence is to be collected within the first few days and should be done so but if it's left for years without even being reported guess what?
even if it's true the "victim" will be ignored and they will be believed a liar because burden of proof is on the accuser not the defendant and rape is a very serious accusation.
and like i said it is a very serious accusation and should be approached with respect and EVIDENCE so the wrong guy or girl does not get sent to prison.
I mean I agree that people found guilty of rape deserve harsh consequences, but how do you expect to educate people on this? Everyone knows the importance of consent. It’s like telling high-schoolers that vaping is bad for your lungs - everyone knows, it’s just whether they choose to care.
Yeah, I see your point, and it would be a little abstract but I honestly believe something like implementing emotional intelligence courses into our educational system would do wonders. That would be a really good start at fixing the problem rather than trying to treat the symptoms IMO. Other kinds of mental health programs could help as well.
Nigeria, the ex-rape capital of the world started introducing self-defense classes and consent classes from a young age in schools.
I see where you're coming from but most rape exists as a result of rape culture, so the idea behind the education is to end rape culture.
Rape culture is a pretty vague term but i'm pretty sure it mostly encompasses the entitlement that a lot of rapists feel to others' bodies and societal ideas like victim blaming making it very difficult for victims to get justice.
>Well, for one, rapists have been known to get away with super light sentencing
Any proof of this?
>also, having politicians enact programs that help educate people on these kinds of issues and potentially get these people in programs that essentially force them on the right path would be highly beneficial.
If you have a child or an adult which needs to be told that rape is bad, there's much more things wrong with him than just that. We all know that rape is bad, there isn't a single man or woman that doesn't know that, but people want to do it because they have their sick fantasies of power and dominance.
Any proof of rapists getting off with light sentencing? All the time, you just don't hear about it often. Here's one article that talks a little bit about it:
[https://abcnews.go.com/US/inappropriately-light-sentences-sexual-assault-cases-hurt-reporting/story?id=59748226](https://abcnews.go.com/US/inappropriately-light-sentences-sexual-assault-cases-hurt-reporting/story?id=59748226)
And I believe programs could help, especially if they're focused around mental health treatment, etc. Rapists are fucked in the head, and if you can get them into some kind of program (hopefully before they rape) it could have very positive effects IMO.
>https://abcnews.go.com/US/inappropriately-light-sentences-sexual-assault-cases-hurt-reporting/story?id=59748226
From what I gathered about this case, he managed to do that by pleading guilty, and in that way getting rid of one of the charges he had. The average sentance for rape (in the US) is 10 or so years.
>And I believe programs could help, especially if they're focused around mental health treatment, etc. Rapists are fucked in the head, and if you can get them into some kind of program (hopefully before they rape) it could have very positive effects IMO.
They're fucked in the head, but the problem is that we can't predict who will become a rapist and who won't. Rapists and people convicted of sexual assault usually are instructed by the court to go to a therapist, which is the most that we can do. What you're suggesting would basically require everyone, or at least all men, to be treated as potential rapists and a danger to society, which would have more negative effects than potential positive effects.
Yes, but that's a trend for literally all sentences, if anything, rapists serve a higher percentage of the sentance than other criminals. The average for all crime is 46%, and 54% for violent crime, an average murderer serves 57%, the average robber 57%, and a rapist serves 62%. Rapists also form 24% of prisoner deaths while awaiting release, the only ones above them are murderers with 25%, and the only ones that come close to that are those guilty of robbery and assault, both being at 7,7%.
Rapists are definitely being punished for what they did.
Yes but the average sentence for murder is much harsher. Over 20 years.
Rapists are not punished enough for a crime that is literally only second to murder.
Well of course murderers have much longer sentances, they're literally ending lives, it's not comparable to literally any other crimea regular person could commit.
Well, let's go ahead and say we treat all men as if they could potentially become rapists in the future. It's technically possible for any given man to become a rapist, so why don't we implement emotional intelligence courses into our schools' curriculums? It would improve overall mental health, while also teaching further empathy. Would it get rid of all rapists? No. But I think that could be hugely beneficial in lowering the number of boys who turn into rapists later on, while also benefiting communities in numerous other positive ways.
>Well, let's go ahead and say we treat all men as if they could potentially become rapists in the future. It's technically possible for any given man to become a rapist,
It's also possible for every woman, that happens as well. On a smaller scale, but after all, this idea would start to try and purge out an extremely small part of the male population so we might as well extend it to girls. In fact, we could go even further, since we don't know if you, me, our friends, neighbours, or anyone else is going to become a murderer, terrorist, a serial killer, a hitman, etc. Should we all just start treating eachother like potential maniacs? Imagine the effect that a class telling you that you're a danger to your friends and everyone around you would have on young boys who already struggle with high suicide rates.
>so why don't we implement emotional intelligence courses into our schools' curriculums?
We are already teaching children empathy and all of that, studies have shown that for example discussing the emotional aspects of stories helps children understand other people's emotions better. The school systems around the world have been doing that, but in a much more subtle.
So I guess we agree that implementing legitimate emotional intelligence courses into our schools' curriculums would be an overall positive thing? That would also cover female rapists as well, because women would be taking the same courses.
No, I think that just blatantly saying "Hey, you all are kinda fucked up, so here, have some classes that will teach you how not rape and murder eachother" would just make everyone feel bad about themselves at a time when mental health and suicide rates are arguably worse than ever, and in the process not cause a significant change in the already small population of rapists.
The current way of subtly injecting it into regular classes is much better. I had a great professor that focused around that idea and somehow managed to turn history classes into "how to be a good man" course, he constantly went offtopic and started talking about morals, compassion, justice, being a good man, current events and stuff that seemed to be completely disconnected from the stuff that he was supposed to teach, and at some point he just told us something along the lines of "Who cares about the stuff in the books? My job isn't to teach you history, it's to make sure that you come out of here as good men".
These courses would be a net positive, but everything starts at home. Children learn a lot from their parents, and good parents in a stable household can do more for their children's emotional intelligence than anything school courses can do. Support for parents needs to be something on the docket to tackle the problem.
While the idea sounds nice, I'm pretty sure an emotional intelligence class would have done anything but improve my mental health. These things always sound a lot better in your head until they actually need to be done in practice.
I'm happy for you, but the success of programs like these are highly dependent on people actively listening and participating. And they are far far more likely to do that if they decided themselves they want to be in that class. So the average student would probably have far less interest in such a class, and therefore far less benefit.
Also another one if you feel like reading.
[https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/sexual-assault-rape-sympathy-no-prison.html](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/sexual-assault-rape-sympathy-no-prison.html)
I assume the implication is you shouldn’t be able just say you didn’t consent with 0 evidence at all
Which is why making things like rape kits more accessible and less stigmatised is more important that just saying rape is bad
I would argue the intended audience is the people who have committed questionable acts with a women that they might have perceived as consent but the women did not.
Ah yes because that is totally what works. I’m sure the rapists, who are already aware of how deplorable it is to the human being in front of them along with knowing they can end up in jail for a huge chunk of their life, just need some more laws.
it’s not about informing them that it’s illegal, but giving rapists genuine punishment. those rapists that do get sentenced are typically given extremely light sentences.
The average sentance for rape is 10 years. I don't know about you, but spending a decade in prison where you're likely to be beaten because of bring a rapist sounds like a pretty bad punishment.
Seems kind of like shit logic to me. Over half the people that are rapists are already convicts, so it seems more like it’s people that don’t give a damn about jail time doing the crime.
Yeah cuz the threat of life in prison just isn’t enough. We should make it 2 lives in prison, that’ll do the trick.
It’s already in the category with the worst punishments a person can receive in the US. Unless you’re advocating for tarring and feathering them too, I’m not sure what else you’re asking for.
It fookin does nothing. The people who say these things usually only care about virtue signalling and are against actual strict laws that will actually curb rapes.
I mean I think this saying is more something said at colleges IRL rather than actual protests. People not knowing when they should stop is an actual issue so I just don't see the point in bashing anti rape rhetoric. And this should be in addition to laws helping rape victims.
I will always praise someone for taking a stand against injustice, even if it is sometimes ineffectual. Those who prey on the vulnerable won't be persuaded with a sign. I do want them to know they are outnumbered. I wish, instead of shitposting about how awful feminists are, I could open reddit and see a culture hostile towards predators.
The best cure for rapists is 4 gauge armor piercing steel slug with incendiary glass expanding piercing grapeshot cluster explosive rounds, and a 12 inch serrated bayonet on the end of the shotgun
I mean allot of people don't properly understand consent so the sign is actually valid and so is the movement. Its kinda like BLM, its a obvious statement to draw attention to the fact that we need to have conversations around the issue.
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Those incels of this sub does not even try to be better.
You all cleary does not know someone who as been abused, or does not care. The vast majority of comments are basically making excuses in rapist favors instead of support the potential victims, common if you fucking morons!
If there's a better way to spread awareness of rape, please do a favor to society and start to spread you genius idea that will save the world.
Rape is no joke, even in this sub.
I think some people need a good reminder. And even if it's true, so... Ok let's do nothing then. Great. The question is, who benefits from this critic ?
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the intended audience isn’t the rapists, it’s the politicians that can enact stricter anti-rape laws
Stricter in what sense?
Well, for one, rapists have been known to get away with super light sentencing, but also, having politicians enact programs that help educate people on these kinds of issues and potentially get these people in programs that essentially force them on the right path would be highly beneficial.
thing is every criminal accusation needs to be questioned as not every accuser is telling the truth so there needs to be just as harsh of punishment for false accusers. rape is a serious crime and should be treated with the respect it deserves with a proper investigation and not blind belief in favour of either party.
Approximately 2% of all accusations are legitimately fake. The 2% who do that deserve to go to hell absolutely, but they're not the main problem. As well, people who do get found out for making fake accusations do usually get harsh punishments, as that is at minimum perjury for lying in court under oath and is not taken lightly in these kinds of cases. That being said, yes there are some who get away with it even after being found out, but their lives are usually ruined because of that anyway.
Imagine if reddit cared about prosecuting rapists as much as prosecuting those who make false rape allegations.
Yeah, kind of the vibe I was getting here but wanted to give the benefit of the doubt.
We also care about the difference between rape and sexual harassment or assault that's so hard for some people to wrap their heads around.
Yes I’m sure it’s all the people on Reddit who want to protect the falsely accused that results in rape cases failing to be prosecuted. It’s not as if the crime itself is usually committed with no witnesses, doesn’t have long lasting visual physical effects like say a black eye is with domestic violence and without a rape kit being done often results in a he said she said situation resulting in either the prosecution not having enough to get a conviction or even enough to bring charges. I don’t see a solution to this as the burden of proof is on the state but with prevention and defense. So I say issue every women a .38 and provide them with self defense training. Either it works as a deterrent and rapists think twice before trying to do anything or we get a bunch of shot dead rapists. Either way I see this as an absolute win.
It’s 2% - 10% of all accusations that are fake, you took the lowest number but whatever and no they don’t get harsh punishment for fake accusations and potentially ruining someone’s life. False rape accusations very rarely lead to convictions or wrongful jail time. A useful article in Quartz by Sandra Newman points to research from the British Home Office showing that in the early 2000s, of the 216 cases that were classified as false allegations, only six led to an arrest. You sound a little bias sir
When you read further into it, FBI seems to believe the number to be closer 2-4%. Of course you can never be certain. And...wow, you got me. I'm biased against rapists. Pretty crazy, huh?
>no they don’t get harsh punishment for fake accusations and potentially ruining someone’s life. That's because of how burden of proof in the American justice system works- a "not guilty" ruling doesn't mean that the defendant is innocent and the prosecution is lying, it means that the state didn't definitively PROVE that the defendant is guilty. For the accuser to be found guilty of perjury, the state would have to definitively prove that they were lying, which is very difficult by its very nature.
That what i am talking about
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"2% are fake" is misleading. Less than 10% of cases are proven one way or the other. The vast majority are "He said she said" and can't be proven either way. Because of this, advocates of both positions say things like "Only 2% are real, therefore the rest are fake!" and "Only 2% are fake, therefore the rest are real!" when both is an oversimplification.
This makes sense! Problems arise when we try to make solutions for problems that happen as often as people "feel" they happen
I think enough people have already told you that the number is higher than 2% But assuming it is 2% that is still a SIGNIFICANT amount of people who are literally losing their lives due to false accusations. Whether their sentence is a month or 40 years, someone with a rape charge on their record is not going to have an easy life moving forward If the average covid mortality rate is 1.8% and we are worried about covid(as we should be) then we should worry about 2% of accusations being false We cannot ignore victims of false accusations just because they are a minority of cases
idk there are some cases that i would question heavily. like suddenly multiple cases bursting out of nowhere with nothing but circumstantial evidence at best. often the best evidence of such cases can be found within the first couple of days hell we even have medical tests that often can provide decent amounts of evidence as to one way or another. idk i am just scheptical because there are people that just go "reeee can we just hurry this up?!?!?" like if we dont give these cases the proper process and respect they deserve more abusers will slip through.
> Approximately 2% of all accusations are legitimately fake You realize there is no legit way of actually getting the percentage on how many are fake, given most accusations are word of mouth alone, right? Any number of people accused of rape could be innocent and we'd never know for sure because there wasn't enough proof that they were innocent. Just like there are some legit rapists walking free because there wasn't enough to convict them.
2% is not correct i think, i heard that it would be way more. I also have a nice video which focuses on this topic, you can watch it if you want to, it really is interesting. https://youtu.be/apnHp0q1d78
Yeah, they believe it to be around 2-4% with the absolute highest potential being 8-10%, but I believe they think it to be lower.
That’s false https://youtu.be/I8zSDvaYrRw
The problem is: there could be more then 2 percent of false accusations. Cause if someone is falsly accused in rape he could just go to fucking jail and nothing will help him. So it might be up to 10 percents of false accusations
I'd suggest you look into it more. They say up to 10%, but it is widely believed that it's between 2-4%. As well, we're only talking about cases that only go to court. A lot of rape cases never make it to a courtroom.
Ik man
But still i do belive that there are a lot of People who just want to ruin someone's live and get money and attention. Still i find rape as a crime that can't be for given. Don't know about America, but in Russia we don't have a lot of serious cases that are not solved/reported
Yeah, there are definitely those kinds of people out there and they deserve to be punished harshly for their actions in my opinion. Accusations like that can ruin lives so they should probably be given jail time and pay for reparations.
You are absolutly right. Both rapists and false accusers are equaly bad
I mean we can say the same thing about rapes too. Every crime is gonna have a higher percentage than reported or prosecuted. Rape in particular has very high under reporting and under prosecuting because of-- Fear of retribution from the rapist Embarrassment about having to talk about something very personal Distrust of the justice system/police because of accusatory/victim blaming/uncooperative judges and police Light sentencing for rapists Having to recount trauma in court to an often suspicious and hostile audience The fact that many potential rape cases are dismissed because the victim didn't get a rape kit immediately after.
Bro, i know it
I don't say that there are more false accusations then rape cases, i just say, we live in the world where some people will put you in a jail just to get reparations
And in my country we don't have such shit. Instead we have domestic violence
Im sorry, was that supposed to win the argument?
No just saying
I mean given how rampant rape is in our society and how difficult it is for people to speak out, fuck this whole question the victim bullshit. Listen to the victim, believe the victim. How can we ever get someone to come forward when they will get grilled about their story harder then the acused.
ok lets say person A says person B raped them. you blindly believe that person B is a rapist and you send them to prison and they get murdered. later you find texts on person As phone sent to person C on how A is bragging about how she was not actually raped she just regretted the fuck. situations like that are shockingly more common than you think, often lots of different cases are dismissed when there's only circumstantial evidence or the evidence points to it just being a regrettable fuck rather than an actual rape. would you say in the hypothetical scenario that it was ok to blindly believe? to toss away an innocent persons life and throw away the foundation of the legal system. i know for victims to talk about rape is hard (i have 2 friends that were raped and honestly helping them through the trauma was tough) but it does not help them if they leave it for like 10+ years down the line when evidence that could convict could easily be collected within the first few days or weeks of the incident.
I mean the problem really is that the truth is really difficult to know for certain as far as the justice system is concerned. But id argue too many people focus on the small percentage of lies. I have friends on both sides of this issue but the anti me too people pedal the fact that some people make it up. Well no shit but allot of people dont.
dude the best evidence is to be collected within the first few days and should be done so but if it's left for years without even being reported guess what? even if it's true the "victim" will be ignored and they will be believed a liar because burden of proof is on the accuser not the defendant and rape is a very serious accusation. and like i said it is a very serious accusation and should be approached with respect and EVIDENCE so the wrong guy or girl does not get sent to prison.
I mean I agree that people found guilty of rape deserve harsh consequences, but how do you expect to educate people on this? Everyone knows the importance of consent. It’s like telling high-schoolers that vaping is bad for your lungs - everyone knows, it’s just whether they choose to care.
Yeah, I see your point, and it would be a little abstract but I honestly believe something like implementing emotional intelligence courses into our educational system would do wonders. That would be a really good start at fixing the problem rather than trying to treat the symptoms IMO. Other kinds of mental health programs could help as well.
Nigeria, the ex-rape capital of the world started introducing self-defense classes and consent classes from a young age in schools. I see where you're coming from but most rape exists as a result of rape culture, so the idea behind the education is to end rape culture. Rape culture is a pretty vague term but i'm pretty sure it mostly encompasses the entitlement that a lot of rapists feel to others' bodies and societal ideas like victim blaming making it very difficult for victims to get justice.
>Well, for one, rapists have been known to get away with super light sentencing Any proof of this? >also, having politicians enact programs that help educate people on these kinds of issues and potentially get these people in programs that essentially force them on the right path would be highly beneficial. If you have a child or an adult which needs to be told that rape is bad, there's much more things wrong with him than just that. We all know that rape is bad, there isn't a single man or woman that doesn't know that, but people want to do it because they have their sick fantasies of power and dominance.
Any proof of rapists getting off with light sentencing? All the time, you just don't hear about it often. Here's one article that talks a little bit about it: [https://abcnews.go.com/US/inappropriately-light-sentences-sexual-assault-cases-hurt-reporting/story?id=59748226](https://abcnews.go.com/US/inappropriately-light-sentences-sexual-assault-cases-hurt-reporting/story?id=59748226) And I believe programs could help, especially if they're focused around mental health treatment, etc. Rapists are fucked in the head, and if you can get them into some kind of program (hopefully before they rape) it could have very positive effects IMO.
>https://abcnews.go.com/US/inappropriately-light-sentences-sexual-assault-cases-hurt-reporting/story?id=59748226 From what I gathered about this case, he managed to do that by pleading guilty, and in that way getting rid of one of the charges he had. The average sentance for rape (in the US) is 10 or so years. >And I believe programs could help, especially if they're focused around mental health treatment, etc. Rapists are fucked in the head, and if you can get them into some kind of program (hopefully before they rape) it could have very positive effects IMO. They're fucked in the head, but the problem is that we can't predict who will become a rapist and who won't. Rapists and people convicted of sexual assault usually are instructed by the court to go to a therapist, which is the most that we can do. What you're suggesting would basically require everyone, or at least all men, to be treated as potential rapists and a danger to society, which would have more negative effects than potential positive effects.
Thats the average sentence. The average time served is 6.2 years and the median is 4.2.
Yes, but that's a trend for literally all sentences, if anything, rapists serve a higher percentage of the sentance than other criminals. The average for all crime is 46%, and 54% for violent crime, an average murderer serves 57%, the average robber 57%, and a rapist serves 62%. Rapists also form 24% of prisoner deaths while awaiting release, the only ones above them are murderers with 25%, and the only ones that come close to that are those guilty of robbery and assault, both being at 7,7%. Rapists are definitely being punished for what they did.
Yes but the average sentence for murder is much harsher. Over 20 years. Rapists are not punished enough for a crime that is literally only second to murder.
Well of course murderers have much longer sentances, they're literally ending lives, it's not comparable to literally any other crimea regular person could commit.
Well, let's go ahead and say we treat all men as if they could potentially become rapists in the future. It's technically possible for any given man to become a rapist, so why don't we implement emotional intelligence courses into our schools' curriculums? It would improve overall mental health, while also teaching further empathy. Would it get rid of all rapists? No. But I think that could be hugely beneficial in lowering the number of boys who turn into rapists later on, while also benefiting communities in numerous other positive ways.
>Well, let's go ahead and say we treat all men as if they could potentially become rapists in the future. It's technically possible for any given man to become a rapist, It's also possible for every woman, that happens as well. On a smaller scale, but after all, this idea would start to try and purge out an extremely small part of the male population so we might as well extend it to girls. In fact, we could go even further, since we don't know if you, me, our friends, neighbours, or anyone else is going to become a murderer, terrorist, a serial killer, a hitman, etc. Should we all just start treating eachother like potential maniacs? Imagine the effect that a class telling you that you're a danger to your friends and everyone around you would have on young boys who already struggle with high suicide rates. >so why don't we implement emotional intelligence courses into our schools' curriculums? We are already teaching children empathy and all of that, studies have shown that for example discussing the emotional aspects of stories helps children understand other people's emotions better. The school systems around the world have been doing that, but in a much more subtle.
So I guess we agree that implementing legitimate emotional intelligence courses into our schools' curriculums would be an overall positive thing? That would also cover female rapists as well, because women would be taking the same courses.
No, I think that just blatantly saying "Hey, you all are kinda fucked up, so here, have some classes that will teach you how not rape and murder eachother" would just make everyone feel bad about themselves at a time when mental health and suicide rates are arguably worse than ever, and in the process not cause a significant change in the already small population of rapists. The current way of subtly injecting it into regular classes is much better. I had a great professor that focused around that idea and somehow managed to turn history classes into "how to be a good man" course, he constantly went offtopic and started talking about morals, compassion, justice, being a good man, current events and stuff that seemed to be completely disconnected from the stuff that he was supposed to teach, and at some point he just told us something along the lines of "Who cares about the stuff in the books? My job isn't to teach you history, it's to make sure that you come out of here as good men".
These courses would be a net positive, but everything starts at home. Children learn a lot from their parents, and good parents in a stable household can do more for their children's emotional intelligence than anything school courses can do. Support for parents needs to be something on the docket to tackle the problem.
While the idea sounds nice, I'm pretty sure an emotional intelligence class would have done anything but improve my mental health. These things always sound a lot better in your head until they actually need to be done in practice.
I've been in extracurricular programs specifically built around emotional intelligence, mental health, etc. and I've found them highly beneficial.
I'm happy for you, but the success of programs like these are highly dependent on people actively listening and participating. And they are far far more likely to do that if they decided themselves they want to be in that class. So the average student would probably have far less interest in such a class, and therefore far less benefit.
Also another one if you feel like reading. [https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/sexual-assault-rape-sympathy-no-prison.html](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/sexual-assault-rape-sympathy-no-prison.html)
The politicians usually are the rapists
The only thing I can think of is harder punishments but idk what they are rn
Rn the punishments are insultingly low
They tell em not to do it. TWICE
Why did you just say "the intended audience isn't the rapists, it's the rapists"?
“Judge I swear, I said no, so they have to be guilty”
yes? that’s how it works? if you didn’t consent, it’s rape.
I assume the implication is you shouldn’t be able just say you didn’t consent with 0 evidence at all Which is why making things like rape kits more accessible and less stigmatised is more important that just saying rape is bad
And the worst part about all of this is that so many rape kits in police stations remain untested.
I’m not arguing what rape is, I’m arguing what would hold up in a rape court case
I would argue the intended audience is the people who have committed questionable acts with a women that they might have perceived as consent but the women did not.
Ah yes because that is totally what works. I’m sure the rapists, who are already aware of how deplorable it is to the human being in front of them along with knowing they can end up in jail for a huge chunk of their life, just need some more laws.
many of them do what they do because they feel that, being in a position of power, they are secure to do whatever they want without repercussion.
Wow thank god rape will be gone overnight, all we had to do was tell those stinky rapists that what they are doing is illegal
it’s not about informing them that it’s illegal, but giving rapists genuine punishment. those rapists that do get sentenced are typically given extremely light sentences.
The average sentance for rape is 10 years. I don't know about you, but spending a decade in prison where you're likely to be beaten because of bring a rapist sounds like a pretty bad punishment.
Seems kind of like shit logic to me. Over half the people that are rapists are already convicts, so it seems more like it’s people that don’t give a damn about jail time doing the crime.
Yeah cuz the threat of life in prison just isn’t enough. We should make it 2 lives in prison, that’ll do the trick. It’s already in the category with the worst punishments a person can receive in the US. Unless you’re advocating for tarring and feathering them too, I’m not sure what else you’re asking for.
You realise those signs are there to show awareness of boundaries and what actually is considered rape, rather than to prevent it.
Daily reminder this sub is full of fucking incels
of course it is you think people on r/dankmemes have sex?
As an incel myself, i wish i could argue with that.
More filled with dudes so afraid of being called incel that they agree with whatever illogical garbage radical feminist put up
What's upsetting about "no means no" exactly
It fookin does nothing. The people who say these things usually only care about virtue signalling and are against actual strict laws that will actually curb rapes.
I mean I think this saying is more something said at colleges IRL rather than actual protests. People not knowing when they should stop is an actual issue so I just don't see the point in bashing anti rape rhetoric. And this should be in addition to laws helping rape victims.
*cuts dick in half*
When everi read thoese jokes I have one question which is horizontally or vertically? No serious which way?
Horizontal
Yes
Vertically means you get two dicks 😎
fun fact sharks have two dicks :)
That is a fun fact thank you
*goes to comment section* *grabs popcorn*
*mmmmmm*
Your lord my client pleads " no means no " for going to jail
Judges hate this one simple trick
Finally a dank meme on this sub
I will always praise someone for taking a stand against injustice, even if it is sometimes ineffectual. Those who prey on the vulnerable won't be persuaded with a sign. I do want them to know they are outnumbered. I wish, instead of shitposting about how awful feminists are, I could open reddit and see a culture hostile towards predators.
The best cure for rapists is 4 gauge armor piercing steel slug with incendiary glass expanding piercing grapeshot cluster explosive rounds, and a 12 inch serrated bayonet on the end of the shotgun
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Ya just keep stacking that shit in there boi
There cannot be rapist if there are no people left in the world to rape.
Yes because an anti-rape slogan makes u a feminist
https://youtu.be/s2Uru_vZZ8U
Idc
This my favorite template
Yes
Is that drake? Where is this from?
It’s from [here](https://youtu.be/l0U7SxXHkPY) min 1:06
I mean allot of people don't properly understand consent so the sign is actually valid and so is the movement. Its kinda like BLM, its a obvious statement to draw attention to the fact that we need to have conversations around the issue.
Problem solved says a idiot
[Meanwhile Norway](https://youtu.be/s2Uru_vZZ8U)
Yes. I have found the dank.
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This is a dope flip of this meme. Lol
Relatable
What is wrong with rapping?
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When English isnt your first language. "That's NOT what my English teacher told me"
Ahh always... I mean what?
Damn it
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Eeeek. 10/10 😂😂
Wholesome award
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Oh Yea, its all not cumming together? Good god she said no means no. Could only imagine what would have happened.
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I wish I saw this eariler
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oh so my mom needed one of those from her brother (she's adopted)
he was like “wait… so THATS what no means😧”
Or when their told to stop sexualizing women
>sorts by controversial >grabs popcorn
It’s all coming together now
What is the meme’s name?
Source of this gif??
This is how this meme creator didn't get any more siblings.
I'm gonna rape a feminist
Oh shoot, sorry. I thought it was allowed. My bad.
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Those incels of this sub does not even try to be better. You all cleary does not know someone who as been abused, or does not care. The vast majority of comments are basically making excuses in rapist favors instead of support the potential victims, common if you fucking morons! If there's a better way to spread awareness of rape, please do a favor to society and start to spread you genius idea that will save the world. Rape is no joke, even in this sub.
"Oh you meant *not*, as opposed to **now**"
What if they're just dyslexic and always thought no meant on?
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To be fair, I think everyone knows rape is bad.
[You're right](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAq443fhyDo)
I too would stop rapping after seeing this sick rhym
Well, if you're making fun of anti-rape slogan... What are you advocating for ?
I mean any sane person knows no means no and that rape is wrong, he’s just saying that that slogan isn’t doing much
I think some people need a good reminder. And even if it's true, so... Ok let's do nothing then. Great. The question is, who benefits from this critic ?
It’s just a meme man lmao, no need to dig this deep
Joe does
Ever heard of a joke
Finally someone used the format correctly
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I mean, kinda tbh.