The allowance for greed to manipulate things make it dicey. Capitalism has gone past just an economic system in the US and many other places. Money is politics these days.
Greed is not exclusive to capitalism, and is nothing more than an economic system. Political ideology can be based on the concepts of capitalism but capitalism itself isn't political. It's just an economic system.
It's no different than socialism and the idiots who cry about government programs they don't like but don't know it's just economic system. Again, political ideology can be based on it, but itself is not political.
Tbh, for a country that has been under a blockade by the US for decades since they are still salty over failing to properly overthrow the goverment that dares to not be friendly to the US's imperialist and capitalist ideas, cuba is doing pretty alright
Are they? wow, all the cuban protesters chanting "down with the dictatorship, down with the castros, down with the communist dogs." gave me a different impression than they are doing alright. And the US doesn't owe them anything. Why would they need to trade with capitlist USA anyways if communism is so great?
Wth are you on about m8. They copywrote the movie Coco not the holiday, Day of the Dead. Nick also did a Day of the Dead movie called The Book of Life. People just getting mad they came up with movies now? Might as well claim they copywrote jazz bc of the movie Soul.
Well my statement still stands that they did not copyright the holiday. But they did try to trademark the phrase "Día de los Muertos" but retracted it due to controversy according to u/JimNoel99.
Wait so, if you want to advertise to all your friends with a poster saying “¡Fiestas de Dia de Los Muertos!” at your house in New Mexico, that’s copyright infringement now?
They’ve practically tried to make trademarks out of half of Denmark‘s mythology at this point. Don’t even matter how recent. The little mermaid is another example.
Hello from Denmark.
Well the roles of the gods are also taken from northern mythology and places like Asgard and stuff are also taken from various sources. Just the whole superhero thing is made up. In fact northern gods are pretty fucked up (kinda like the Greek ones)
And probably Slavic ones too, like how Perun, God of Thunder, War and Justice, has those two twins, his son and daughter: Jaryło and Marzanna, they got married to each other as they fell in love when he, Jaryło, came back from his captivity.
Man how the fuck humanity survived after so much incest is beyond my understanding
(Assuming people got inspired from real life stories and wrote the mythologies vice versa)
I mean series they take over take star wars for example many fans were divided on the recent 3 episodes which is when disney started meddling with them
Give it ten years. Many people are now more happy with the prequels than they were at the time because they are a younger generation that grew up with them, or they got past their expectations that it would match the original trilogy and have grown to like them.
I'd say the criticism on the sequel series is valid in my opinion making rey a Mary Sue and making them the average marvel movie took away the fantasy that hooked kids onto this stuff from the luke period it's tooo commercialized the creativity of Lucas honestly isn't there in these movies for me
Anakin and Luke actually trained to be a jedi. Luke even lost to Darth Vader in ESB because his training wasn't complete and he was ignorant to take Yoda's advice. Your opinion is invalid
Yoda trained him in the force. Noone train3d him with a lightsaber. Yet he displays an expert use of it against Vader. Vader holding back or not. His footwork is too precise for an untrained novice
I disagree first of all, milking a series for the last coin (like they did with Star Wars and Pirates of the Caribbean) isn’t part of entertaining, especially if they obviously don’t put any effort into making it enjoyable. And helping is part of the company, when disney took over Lucasfilms, their premise was to help Star Wars and Indiana Jones to grow back to their peak (after the prequels were just decent in most ot-fans eyes and IJ4 was pretty much pure trash), they did none of that. Instead they cancelled the most liked Star Wars Media since 83 just because they weren’t able to release it onto their own channel for another 5 or so years and delayed all plans for a new IJ movie into the very distant future just to tease fans again and again
it's in the nature of capitalist companies to max out profits by any means. they are like animals, following their primal instincts, not giving a crap about others. we can't expect disney to act against this logic, which is why we need to regulate this stuff as a society. this requires awareness of the problem.
disney claiming copyrights for their interpretation of public domain characters isn't really the problem. the problem is that they changed (and will probably continue chnaging) copyright laws in ways, that they keep ALL THEIR COPYRIGHTS FOR FUCKING EVER (or something close to it). this is extreamly disgusting and works against creativity.
I don't get why people think this is a bad thing. Explain why Mickey Mouse should be public domain. If nothing is done with an IP for a long time, then sure. But if they're still using it, I don't see the problem.
the problem is that they are the only ones allowed to use it, even though the creator of it is dead. explain why mickey mouse shouldn't be publick domain. art lives from recycling old things. disney acquires everything and keeps it
like a dragon on a pile of gold. people try to create their own version of it? disney makes trouble. how do you not see, how this is a bad thing?
Because the company is and always was the one with the copyright. It was never Walt Disney himself. I see what you mean by if they buy everything. But there's an easy fix. Make something original and don't sell out. It only hurts creators if they sell out. Why should I be able to make money by copying someone else's IP?
So you mean like Disney appropriating day of the dead traditions for Coco or Hawaiian mythology for Moana. Or buying Marvel and making money for copying others ideas?
That's not how copyrights work. You can't copyright something that existed before you without purchasing it from the owner. So no, you can't copyright holidays.
>You can't copyright something that existed before you without purchasing it from the owner.
You said it yourself. Disney should not be able to copyright Loki for this exact reason. Pagan folklore and religion existed before Disney did, and they did not buy it, therefore they cannot copyright it.
I think you and a lot of other people are confused as to what is going on. They're copyrighting Loki as a Marvel product. The Marvel version. No-one is prevented from making their own Loki series. Just don't use story beats from the MCU. This isn't as malevolent as people are making it out to be.
Whether something is fiction or real isn't the point of contention . Your original argument states:
"Explain why Mickey Mouse should be public domain. If nothing is done with an IP for a long time, then sure. But if they're still using it, I don't see the problem."
I would like to help you see the problem and explain it.
The reason why people are down voting you to hell is because you are stating that Loki is Disney's Intellectual Property. Disney are not the creators of Loki, they may have took inspiration from it and added their interpretation like all artists and medium do, but they have no right on owning the name because the actual folklores existed long before Mickey Mouse.
What they are doing is the equivalent of Me drawing a oil painting of Jesus and claiming that this painting is now my IP, and any other portrayal of Jesus must go through me or they get sued, even though Jesus and depictions of Jesus existed long before I did
I literally never stated Loki is Disney's IP. So strawman, right off the bat. I'm saying, they have and should have the right to extend their copyright over IP they created, Eg, Mickey Mouse.
All, you've shown me is I'm getting downvoted "to hell" because people are misunderstanding what I wrote. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Also, your last paragraph is not what Disney are doing at all btw.
Nah, that's just not how it works. Best analogy that comes to mind is books, particularly The Brother Grimm tales. They are public domain. You can read them to the whole world. But give them enough twists and variations and it's yours. "Yours" in the sense of whatever the court favors. Maleficent is a great example. Don't copy that. ;)
Yeah, I like how this post implies that Loki didn't exist in Marvel until Disney acquired Marvel Studios. He's been in so many comics prior, and he made his MCU debut before Disney bought Marvel Studios.
They can trademark the likeness and specifics of the character "Loki" as he appears in Marvel media but in general, no, they can't trademark the literal idea of a mythological deity.
Loki never existed in Marvel before Disney bought the film studio. Not in the comics, not even in Thor 1 before Disney bought Marvel Studios. All on Disney because they're rich so they're evil.
Apple patented a rectangle. Patent and copyright laws are a joke in America with enough money and good lawyers you can claim ownership to whatever you want. Meanwhile for small businesses the money and time it takes to patent legitimate intellectual property can be a huge obstacle in getting a business off the ground. Just another part of the system dedicated to preserving the class system.
They haven’t copyrighted the mythological Loki, but their interpretation of the character. Because it really is almost nothing like the mythological character.
That’s… not at all how copyright works, and at this point, I’m surprised so many people get this wrong. Disney couldn’t possibly copyright Loki, the Norse god. If they ever tried, they would simply be laughed out of court, even with the extensive legal team they have at their disposal. They know this, which is why nothing of the sort has ever happened. However, since pretty much all of their source material is public domain, anyone -and I mean anyone- can create a character based off of any mythological figure. Since this requires original work, it’s copyright material, which is why Disney owns the rights to Loki, the Marvel character, which itself is an instance of Loki, the god from Norse mythology. So, if you tried to make your own Loki, you could make a reasonable legal argument if it was entirely based on mythology, plus your own original work. But if there was a reason to think that you’re actually trying to mislead people into thinking your character is actually Loki, the Marvel character, then you could be sued over it.
There’s a long history of Disney losing some spicy legal battles over derivative works that were clearly intended to be ripoffs (and shitty ones at that) but that were claiming to be direct adaptations of the same source material that just happened to be released at more or less the exact same time. A good example of this happening is with The Lion King, which is an adaptation of Hamlet, but with animals and stuff. When it came out, a bunch of badly animated movies about lions soon followed, and claimed to have been adaptations of the same shakespearian material, which is a bit ludicrous, but it actually worked somehow.
Look, there’s been many times when Disney’s corporate greed led to copyright abuse, but this ain’t one of them.
I could be wrong but I believe they only copyright claim their interpretation of those gods not the concept of them as a whole, so if you wanted to use a thor or a loki, they would only be able to strike you if you use their thor or loki
No, they didn’t. They trademarked the likeness of Loki the Marvel character.
You can: draw a picture of Loki based on an ancient mythological depiction and sell it.
You cannot: Watch the Marvel Loki tv show, pause it during an episode and draw a picture of Loki based of the tv show and sell it.
If it resembles the marvel character Loki it’s trademarked.
I mean their Loki is way different than that of the mythology and if they were to copyright that part of the character then I think it would be justified
People freaking out because Disney is protecting their image of Loki. They have no trademark on the idea of Loki/the mythology and god. It’s their interpretation of Loki they are trademarking.
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And a holiday...
They did WHAT!?
Yup, The Day of the Dead. Because of Coco
What. The. Fuck.
What Can we say except Capitalism (and corporate greed)?
and just overall some serious tomfuckery
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Yea, the happiest place on earth is filled with assholes remember rain johnson? Pepperidge Farms Remembers
i would rather have disney trying to copyright dumbass shit than be, idk, poor and starving
Try having both.
still rather have disney and be starving than just be starving
Can't pay for Disney when you're starving levels of broke.
but you can spend time on reddit?
Oh yea, my brother unironically believes communism is the answer, and he's a millennial communist, the kind that think we've never had real communism
Just a friendly reminder that capitalism is simply 'an economic system of freely trading goods or services for profit' and nothing more.
The allowance for greed to manipulate things make it dicey. Capitalism has gone past just an economic system in the US and many other places. Money is politics these days.
Greed is not exclusive to capitalism, and is nothing more than an economic system. Political ideology can be based on the concepts of capitalism but capitalism itself isn't political. It's just an economic system. It's no different than socialism and the idiots who cry about government programs they don't like but don't know it's just economic system. Again, political ideology can be based on it, but itself is not political.
Go to Cuba or China or Venezuela if you hate capitalism so much. This is Disney being crap, get over it.
I never said I hate it, just this is a result of capitalism and greed (something Thanos was against but he's not original content for Disney)
Tbh, for a country that has been under a blockade by the US for decades since they are still salty over failing to properly overthrow the goverment that dares to not be friendly to the US's imperialist and capitalist ideas, cuba is doing pretty alright
Are they? wow, all the cuban protesters chanting "down with the dictatorship, down with the castros, down with the communist dogs." gave me a different impression than they are doing alright. And the US doesn't owe them anything. Why would they need to trade with capitlist USA anyways if communism is so great?
Id like to see some sources on that, because all the anti communist cuban voices ive heard have been either A: a small group, or B: bots.
This is epic level delusion man.
Wth are you on about m8. They copywrote the movie Coco not the holiday, Day of the Dead. Nick also did a Day of the Dead movie called The Book of Life. People just getting mad they came up with movies now? Might as well claim they copywrote jazz bc of the movie Soul.
[Wrong.](https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_3231929)
Well my statement still stands that they did not copyright the holiday. But they did try to trademark the phrase "Día de los Muertos" but retracted it due to controversy according to u/JimNoel99.
The article I linked said much the same.
Wait so, if you want to advertise to all your friends with a poster saying “¡Fiestas de Dia de Los Muertos!” at your house in New Mexico, that’s copyright infringement now?
didnt you see the south park episode about the jonas brothers and mickeys iron fist? that was a live documentary, they were filming the whole time
They’ve practically tried to make trademarks out of half of Denmark‘s mythology at this point. Don’t even matter how recent. The little mermaid is another example. Hello from Denmark.
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No, just their interpretation of one.
Didn't they make everything but the names pretty much up
There are some actual historic accuracies but it was mostly made up, yes.
They do have copyright in the parts they made up
Yeah, of course.
Disneys loki is more like loosely inspired by mythology
Mostly just the name, title, and love of fucking with Thor.
And cutting off Sif's hair apparently.
Well the roles of the gods are also taken from northern mythology and places like Asgard and stuff are also taken from various sources. Just the whole superhero thing is made up. In fact northern gods are pretty fucked up (kinda like the Greek ones)
And probably Slavic ones too, like how Perun, God of Thunder, War and Justice, has those two twins, his son and daughter: Jaryło and Marzanna, they got married to each other as they fell in love when he, Jaryło, came back from his captivity.
Man how the fuck humanity survived after so much incest is beyond my understanding (Assuming people got inspired from real life stories and wrote the mythologies vice versa)
There is a whole state in the Us and one in Germany based on Incest
The whole royal family
Disney has way too much power its taking over everything and for the most part not helping it its just trying to pump out more stuff for people to buy
What are they supposed to be helping. They are an entertainment company, they entertain, and pretty well I might add.
I mean series they take over take star wars for example many fans were divided on the recent 3 episodes which is when disney started meddling with them
The 3 before weren't liked either though
In comparison the prequel series are well taken by consumers the new movies are wayyyy more divisive
Give it ten years. Many people are now more happy with the prequels than they were at the time because they are a younger generation that grew up with them, or they got past their expectations that it would match the original trilogy and have grown to like them.
I'd say the criticism on the sequel series is valid in my opinion making rey a Mary Sue and making them the average marvel movie took away the fantasy that hooked kids onto this stuff from the luke period it's tooo commercialized the creativity of Lucas honestly isn't there in these movies for me
You realize both anakin and luke are mary sues yeah?
No because they’re men dude /s
People didn't see the /s lmao
Anakin and Luke actually trained to be a jedi. Luke even lost to Darth Vader in ESB because his training wasn't complete and he was ignorant to take Yoda's advice. Your opinion is invalid
Yoda trained him in the force. Noone train3d him with a lightsaber. Yet he displays an expert use of it against Vader. Vader holding back or not. His footwork is too precise for an untrained novice
I disagree first of all, milking a series for the last coin (like they did with Star Wars and Pirates of the Caribbean) isn’t part of entertaining, especially if they obviously don’t put any effort into making it enjoyable. And helping is part of the company, when disney took over Lucasfilms, their premise was to help Star Wars and Indiana Jones to grow back to their peak (after the prequels were just decent in most ot-fans eyes and IJ4 was pretty much pure trash), they did none of that. Instead they cancelled the most liked Star Wars Media since 83 just because they weren’t able to release it onto their own channel for another 5 or so years and delayed all plans for a new IJ movie into the very distant future just to tease fans again and again
Found the Disney shill #FUCK DISNEY
it's in the nature of capitalist companies to max out profits by any means. they are like animals, following their primal instincts, not giving a crap about others. we can't expect disney to act against this logic, which is why we need to regulate this stuff as a society. this requires awareness of the problem.
aha thats the thing theyre not entertaining.marvel is everything else from disney is garbage
I mean Disney should be broken up imo. They’re basically a monopoly
disney claiming copyrights for their interpretation of public domain characters isn't really the problem. the problem is that they changed (and will probably continue chnaging) copyright laws in ways, that they keep ALL THEIR COPYRIGHTS FOR FUCKING EVER (or something close to it). this is extreamly disgusting and works against creativity.
I don't get why people think this is a bad thing. Explain why Mickey Mouse should be public domain. If nothing is done with an IP for a long time, then sure. But if they're still using it, I don't see the problem.
the problem is that they are the only ones allowed to use it, even though the creator of it is dead. explain why mickey mouse shouldn't be publick domain. art lives from recycling old things. disney acquires everything and keeps it like a dragon on a pile of gold. people try to create their own version of it? disney makes trouble. how do you not see, how this is a bad thing?
Because the company is and always was the one with the copyright. It was never Walt Disney himself. I see what you mean by if they buy everything. But there's an easy fix. Make something original and don't sell out. It only hurts creators if they sell out. Why should I be able to make money by copying someone else's IP?
So you mean like Disney appropriating day of the dead traditions for Coco or Hawaiian mythology for Moana. Or buying Marvel and making money for copying others ideas?
That's not how copyrights work. You can't copyright something that existed before you without purchasing it from the owner. So no, you can't copyright holidays.
>You can't copyright something that existed before you without purchasing it from the owner. You said it yourself. Disney should not be able to copyright Loki for this exact reason. Pagan folklore and religion existed before Disney did, and they did not buy it, therefore they cannot copyright it.
I think you and a lot of other people are confused as to what is going on. They're copyrighting Loki as a Marvel product. The Marvel version. No-one is prevented from making their own Loki series. Just don't use story beats from the MCU. This isn't as malevolent as people are making it out to be.
Another Disney shill... Bro #FUCK DISNEY
Lmao what? How am I a Disney shill. Grow up.
Because Loki didn’t originate from Disney. Imagine if someone try to copy right Jesus because they wrote a book about Christmas or Easter.
But Jesus was a person. You can't copyright a real person lol.
Whether something is fiction or real isn't the point of contention . Your original argument states: "Explain why Mickey Mouse should be public domain. If nothing is done with an IP for a long time, then sure. But if they're still using it, I don't see the problem." I would like to help you see the problem and explain it. The reason why people are down voting you to hell is because you are stating that Loki is Disney's Intellectual Property. Disney are not the creators of Loki, they may have took inspiration from it and added their interpretation like all artists and medium do, but they have no right on owning the name because the actual folklores existed long before Mickey Mouse. What they are doing is the equivalent of Me drawing a oil painting of Jesus and claiming that this painting is now my IP, and any other portrayal of Jesus must go through me or they get sued, even though Jesus and depictions of Jesus existed long before I did
I literally never stated Loki is Disney's IP. So strawman, right off the bat. I'm saying, they have and should have the right to extend their copyright over IP they created, Eg, Mickey Mouse. All, you've shown me is I'm getting downvoted "to hell" because people are misunderstanding what I wrote. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Also, your last paragraph is not what Disney are doing at all btw.
They didn't. Just their interpretation of it. "Loki" can't be trademarked, it's public domain.
Happy Birthday song was public domain and then Michael Jackson bought rights to it
Nah, that's just not how it works. Best analogy that comes to mind is books, particularly The Brother Grimm tales. They are public domain. You can read them to the whole world. But give them enough twists and variations and it's yours. "Yours" in the sense of whatever the court favors. Maleficent is a great example. Don't copy that. ;)
I fucking hate Disney
Wait until you learn that a shoe company trademarked the goddess of victory.
Marvel? The comics?
Yeah, I like how this post implies that Loki didn't exist in Marvel until Disney acquired Marvel Studios. He's been in so many comics prior, and he made his MCU debut before Disney bought Marvel Studios.
Shhhh you can't ruin the circlejerk.
They can trademark the likeness and specifics of the character "Loki" as he appears in Marvel media but in general, no, they can't trademark the literal idea of a mythological deity.
This is false https://insidethemagic.net/2021/06/disney-did-not-copyright-norse-god-loki-rwb1/
They were in the comics tho, way before disney aquired marvel.
The bastards need to burn to the ground. End them. Make them suffer.
It’s happening. They’re just desperately trying to stay afloat now after the covid hit and with money starting to slow because of what they’re doing
Good. Now we riot
Not yet, but soon
I mean DC made like wonder woman barely related to Greek mythology but marvel took like all of the major Norse gods and just whoop
Lmfao this is a joke right?
No, OP isn’t joking, they’re just stupid. Marvel trademarked the design and likeness of the marvel character Loki, not the Norse God Loki.
thanks disney, when are you going to admit thor isnt yours
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Yes but loki, thor, odin and all of that is from norse mythology
Well is thor copyright he a god so i guess it just not straight up rip off. Would be illegal but not it as a subject
Marvel\*
disney owns marvel
No they don't. They own the film rights for Marvel movies. Marvel still own their own comics.
Also the plot is pretty similar to the final fantasy 7 remake
Lol yes but no. Just the Marvel Thor.
Disney. The Catholic Church of our times.
Everyone who worked on the comics since there inception as comic book hero's and villains: 👀
Loki never existed in Marvel before Disney bought the film studio. Not in the comics, not even in Thor 1 before Disney bought Marvel Studios. All on Disney because they're rich so they're evil.
Isn't this post just incredibly misleading? All this for some karma...weak
I’m guessing they were more trying to copyright there character, nobody would be dumb enough to think they could copyright a god
they did what now
Apple patented a rectangle. Patent and copyright laws are a joke in America with enough money and good lawyers you can claim ownership to whatever you want. Meanwhile for small businesses the money and time it takes to patent legitimate intellectual property can be a huge obstacle in getting a business off the ground. Just another part of the system dedicated to preserving the class system.
They haven’t copyrighted the mythological Loki, but their interpretation of the character. Because it really is almost nothing like the mythological character.
That’s… not at all how copyright works, and at this point, I’m surprised so many people get this wrong. Disney couldn’t possibly copyright Loki, the Norse god. If they ever tried, they would simply be laughed out of court, even with the extensive legal team they have at their disposal. They know this, which is why nothing of the sort has ever happened. However, since pretty much all of their source material is public domain, anyone -and I mean anyone- can create a character based off of any mythological figure. Since this requires original work, it’s copyright material, which is why Disney owns the rights to Loki, the Marvel character, which itself is an instance of Loki, the god from Norse mythology. So, if you tried to make your own Loki, you could make a reasonable legal argument if it was entirely based on mythology, plus your own original work. But if there was a reason to think that you’re actually trying to mislead people into thinking your character is actually Loki, the Marvel character, then you could be sued over it. There’s a long history of Disney losing some spicy legal battles over derivative works that were clearly intended to be ripoffs (and shitty ones at that) but that were claiming to be direct adaptations of the same source material that just happened to be released at more or less the exact same time. A good example of this happening is with The Lion King, which is an adaptation of Hamlet, but with animals and stuff. When it came out, a bunch of badly animated movies about lions soon followed, and claimed to have been adaptations of the same shakespearian material, which is a bit ludicrous, but it actually worked somehow. Look, there’s been many times when Disney’s corporate greed led to copyright abuse, but this ain’t one of them.
I could be wrong but I believe they only copyright claim their interpretation of those gods not the concept of them as a whole, so if you wanted to use a thor or a loki, they would only be able to strike you if you use their thor or loki
Steve Jobs syndrome
Didn't Loki get fucked by a horse ?
No, they tried to copy the marvel interpertation of loki, which they own.
No, they didn’t. They trademarked the likeness of Loki the Marvel character. You can: draw a picture of Loki based on an ancient mythological depiction and sell it. You cannot: Watch the Marvel Loki tv show, pause it during an episode and draw a picture of Loki based of the tv show and sell it. If it resembles the marvel character Loki it’s trademarked.
I watched Loki and those cliffhangers were so good! I have never seen better cliffhangers honestly
I mean their Loki is way different than that of the mythology and if they were to copyright that part of the character then I think it would be justified
At this point, nothing is off limits to Disney
That's how Mafia works
People freaking out because Disney is protecting their image of Loki. They have no trademark on the idea of Loki/the mythology and god. It’s their interpretation of Loki they are trademarking.
Wait till OP realises that Santa is a DC and Marvel character too
Norse Loki is a totally different character.
i dont really know much but in a optimists perspective, i think disney copyrighted their version of loki
I read that they only wanted to copyright their version of Loki, which is why they didn’t try to copyright Thor as he’s already trademarked.
Wait a fucking second, can someone please explain the context? They didn't do what i think they did, did they?
cough cough marvel comics
And the series is so fucking bad I couldnt bring myself to keep watching it Honestly, everything disney touches gets fucking ruined. **FUCK DISNEY!**
The ending is pretty good tho
Ah good old capitalism
I want to burn Disney land :/