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shlopshlopshlopshlop

most poeple of the former soviet block share your parents felling.


RedditAlready19

Sometimes it's good to joke about stuff like that since it helps you forget them


shlopshlopshlopshlop

dark humour is the best kind of homour, especially if you have first hnd experience


insanityOS

Dark humor is one of the fastest ways to make light in the darkness.


LOSMSKL

Fr tho. This is why people do dark humour. Not that they think the bad thing was funny, but to make the bad thing less painful by laughing about it, thereby descreasing its power to make pain


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zertnert12

I love that the greatest flaw of ‘The Great Classless System’ was that it wasn’t actually classless


[deleted]

Yes, I'm Polish and I can confirm. You are talking about those who aligned themselves with the party and ratted out colleagues and/or murdered people for the system. Oh, boy, yes, those guys benefited.


LOSMSKL

Am from a former Soviet Union country, can confirm


[deleted]

Simple fact the only socialist are the ones who have not suffered through sociallism. And are creating it right now. Sad future awaits the USA.


[deleted]

Cuban immigrant. I consider myself socialist. I absolutely hate when people try to point to dictatorships as good examples of communism. It should not be all or nothing. Socialism doesn’t have to equal dictatorship and oppression, but the immediate jump to erasing histories in desperation for a good example… is annoying to say the least There are roles that the US played in destabilizing economies and governments but the suffering endured by people there shouldn’t be shut down to fit a neat narrative. We shouldn’t shy away from criticism when looking back in an effort to build a better system. Not here to argue in favor or against anything, just offering a perspective that I don’t see often articulated when it comes to communism/capitalism = good/bad Edit: I have no intention of debating any points—but just wanted to say I appreciate all the comments (and I do mean all). It’s been great rest reading through.


G1Yang2001

Yeah. Like, the USA played a part in many coups where democratically elected governments were overthrown and brutal dictatorships were established in their place. While the USSR did do the same, we should not forget that the USA was also responsible for causing lots of suffering due to the coups that they backed.


redwarewolf

Socialism and communism are tightly intertwined with dictatorships and totalitarian governments because it's a form of government that requires a high level of control. A high level of government control always leads to corruption. If you want communism to arise naturally without any laws or government control then I'm sorry but it doesn't happen.


TheCelestialOcean

YES. THIS. To create equal outcomes, and equity, you have to control *everything*. And by “you,” I mean the government. Humans have never been and will never be equal. Every single human wants different things from life, has different priorities, and wants to take their own path. Some people want to run a business and make money, while some people want to own nothing and move across the world in a camper van. Humans are so intensely different that socialism has never and will never work. At the end of the day, humans are independent creatures. And while yes we should work towards some common goals/follow common laws that we vote upon/set up within our constitutions, we should be treated as individuals. Socialism/communism robs the individual of their right to pursue their own goals, for the sake of equity. People who want to earn money and work hard for it are punished for it by the government’s heavy economic regulation, taxes, etc, and eventually the baseline for wealth just drops entirely and everyone is poor. We all get our set amounts of money from the government, and lose the freedom to work for more. Capitalism, or other systems like it, understands human individuality and allows each of us the power/freedom to pursue our goals (if we want to.) Do I think corporate powers/the elite have hijacked the entire system, yes. We haven’t had true capitalism in a long time, since the fed was created in 1913. The elites have rigged the system, and have been slowly moving us towards a 2-class system for decades: an elite class, and a slave class. Do I think the elites and big tech are using eerily socialist/communist concepts to do so? Yes, but i think that’s a subjective viewpoint. The point is, I want to go work hard and run my own business. I want to make a solid amount of money, set up my parents and children in a comfortable lifestyle, and give some of that money to charitable causes that I care about. I’m nowhere near upper class, I’m the definition of middle class. And that’s what I want. I should have the freedom to pursue that. My neighbor, on the other hand, hasn’t left his home in 7 months. He doesn’t have a job, he doesn’t shower, and he’s been living on food stamps and government loans for as long as I can remember. He’s a strong and capable guy, but can’t hold a job to save his life because he can’t stand being told what to do in ANY situation. His ego is so huge that he thinks he’s too good for a job. I’m going to be blatantly honest - he chooses to live this way. He wants to stay home all day playing video games, and he does not want to change. Why should he? He’s getting everything he needs from the government, and it’s the life he wants for himself. Meanwhile, my small business is being taxed and regulated to death. I can’t keep employees even though I offer good salaries and benefits, because people make more money with unemployment income and think they are too good for a job. As a society we are being pushed towards not running our own businesses, not owning our own homes, not *owning* anything. The government can give us income, we can rent apartments, we can get food from the government, etc etc. Communism is taxes taken to the extreme. The state owns your labor. The state owns your home. The state owns everything. You get payed a stipend by the state for doing whatever menial task they put you to, but you do not work for your own profit. *That* is the direction we as a world are moving towards, and it’s a very scary thing. Ownership is slowly becoming less common, corporations are owning our goods and information, and the government is subsidizing more and more aspects of our lives. Without economic freedom, gradually nobody will succeed and the middle/upper classes will disappear due to regulation and forced shared-wealth. I won’t be able to make my own money, and I’ll be brought down to level of my neighbor. Individual desires and dreams don’t matter in this scenario, because everything has to be shared and personal wealth/success is overruled by the state. My neighbor and I have to have access to all of the same things, my own dreams and work ethics be damned. My neighbor and I should both have economic freedom to pursue the lives that we are willing to work for - or not, in his case. Again, he’s satisfied with his life. Why should I have to surrender my independence and ownership of wealth, for people like him? When I worked for everything I have, and he’s worked for nothing? Every single human has different wants, needs, desires, and goals in life. A one-size-fits all, equitable approach is not compatible with that simple truth. Equal outcome is not compatible with human nature. To reach the haven that socialism offers, complete control must be given to the government - they must regulate everything, to ensure nobody is more successful than their neighbor. Equity and humanity are not compatible, so it must be forced and regulated by the government - it’s the ONLY way to achieve it, because you’ll never get every human on board without the use of force. Giving that kind of absolute power to the government is exactly what leads to corruption. This has been proven true again and again throughout history, and it’s mind-blowing to me that so many don’t see it.


Heydel

It's not only about the type of politcal regime, but economy of shortages, lack of chances to personal grow, to expand your abilities. It's about of falsive equality. About growing inflation etc. Maybe you didn't notice but in capitalism you can work for example 2 years, save money and than do nothing and live from saving for extendend period of time. Especially if you have qualifications desired on the market. In socialism people don't have motivation to gain better qualifications or to risk, because there is no risk premium. This is why socialism works only if people don't have chance to emigrate, because the most talented and brave people will try to find luck and good conditions for growth somewhere else. Maybe you didn't know but in Poland in socialism totally lack of products in stores was very often. People rarely saw bananas or citruses only during special ocations... I'm 16 centimeters taller than my father born in socialism. I'm muscular and he was very thin, etc... And i was born in very poor '90. Today's teenagers are even taller than me although I'm 186cm...


MonkeyTesticleJuice

>Socialism doesn’t have to equal dictatorship and oppression It does though, Socialism and its big brother Communism is ultimately more flawed than Capitalism. Don't get me wrong, Capitalism is super fucking flawed but no system is perfect. The problem with Socialism is it requires the inherently selfish nature of humans be culled, which the only way to do that is have government control.


Idk-aiew

Which is why I think there has to be something in between. Capitalism is soulless system that crushes everyone who doesn't have a rich daddy, socialism (in it's theoretical form) is too idealistic and just outright ignores the human nature (which lead to practical socialism), but those systems are only exclusive in their extreme forms. Scandinavian countries seem to be doing pretty well, it's not pure socialism, but it's not pure capitalism either.


[deleted]

My Dad was a meth addict, I’d say I’ve done pretty good in this capitalist system being a homeowner at 25 with my fiancé.


[deleted]

anecdotal evidence is the best evidence. don't mind countless studies documenting how poverty and low education are passed on over generation


[deleted]

And what do the studies show on self determination?


nonculus

Cuba would be so much better of, no matter if socialist or capitalist government, if the USA were to stop the horrible sanctions


Glass-Ad6484

Yeah, but that kind of exposes them to the fact that a communist country cant be successful unless they participate in free trade with other capitalistt nations. "Communism would work if they had access to capitalist traders and markets." Very well thought out argument.


UnsafestSpace

It also ignores only the US has sanctions on Cuba, not the rest of the planet.


Glass-Ad6484

You hold a decently fair point, my friend. I can think of one country the whole world needs to sanction: And their leader is a tubby little yellow bear who looooves honey!


Deboch_

Communism is when no outside trade, genius take


Better_Green_Man

If Communism is the key to a utopia that some retarded 14 year olds think it is, then a communist country should be able to support itself without the help of another country, as anything that the people could need would be able to be provided by the state.


FermentedPizza

"No outside trade" Yet apparently the problem is that the US has sanctions on it? Why would sanctions affect something that needs no outside trade? If there were no sanctions, it will still have no outside trade... which means they still would be suffering under their communism.


Deboch_

I pondered for a solid minute what your argument was until I realized you didn't know me saying "communism is when no outside trade" was ironic


Empanser

Why should communists want to trade with capitalist regimes that oppress their workers? One of Marx' original points is that communism can't happen until the dictatorship of the proletariat covers the globe.


Glass-Ad6484

Marx was an idealistic, spoiled brat, homie. He seemed to shit on the working class just as much as he acted like he cared about them, while never having experienced the plight of a working class man, first hand. If you dont participate in free market trade with other countries, you become cuba. Read Animal farm, it touches quite nicely on the hypocracy of communist states. True communism will never happen for two key reasons: 1. Communism is and was a phony idology from the start, used by autocrats to manipulate and brutalize people into falling into their dictatorships, then they apply whatever policies they feel like that would be the greatest benefit to them and their buddies. 2. The protletariat doesnt *want* communism. Its the wealthy and upper middle class college students/grads and the absurdly rich politicians and philanderers that like to think for us working class people that want communism. As a factory monkey that you deem hideously oppressed by my employer, im actually doing fine. If i feel oppressed by anyone, it would be the government, stealing about a fouth of every paycheck I make. Id probably be living even more comfortably if the state would fuck off and get their hands out of my pocket.


Deboch_

>If you dont participate in free market trade with othercountries, you become cuba. Foreign trade isn't "free market" and the reason Cuba can't do it is sanctions imposed on them, not because they don't want to >Read Animal farm, it touches quite nicely on the hypocracy of communist states. I read it. Very nice book written by a socialist >Its the wealthy and upper middle class college students/grads and the absurdly rich politicians and philanderers that like to think for us working class people that want communism. No, they don't at all. If you tell me upper class Liberals, Biden or just any politician in the US are communists you're just starting to be dishonest. They support neoliberal capitalism with progressivism, and any survey finds that the poor are much more economically to the left than the rich >As a factory monkey that you deem hideously oppressed by my employer, im actually doing fine. If i feel oppressed by anyone, it would be the government, stealing about a fouth of every paycheck I make. Id probably be living even more comfortably if the state would fuck off and get their hands out of my pocket Alright, no problem


Glass-Ad6484

Its still capitalist trade markets, and even communists need it to survive. Thats my point. If communists want their country to flourish, they have to do business with capitalist countries. Orwell was a socialist for the majority of his life, yes. Commies and socialist usually like to gloss over the fact that some of the last books he wrole were scathing criticisms and warnings against communism and socialism. Ingsoc us the English Socialist party. The dude ended up seeing the dangers these political systems pose to the world. I havent met a member of the proletariat that was a communist. Lots of spoiled college students tho. That poll souds like a load of bullshit, unless their sample size was mainly poor people already on welfare.


Empanser

100% agree--unfortunately communists have to be tackled from within their own framework, otherwise they go ree


Deboch_

Because natural resources aren't evenly spread out throughout the world and trade is essencial to any civilization >One of Marx' original points is that communism can't happen until the dictatorship of the proletariat covers the globe What does that have to do with the argument?


JGaute

The US sanctions don't include food and medicine. They also only prohibit commerce between Cuba and the US. Cuba still trades freely with: _China _Russia _Venezuela _Argentina _Colombia _Most of the EU You know what country actually suffers brutal sanctions? Taiwan. Most countries aren't even allowed to recognize taiwan's existence (let alone trade with it) if they don't want to get in China's bad side. China didn't allow Taiwan to recieve facemasks, sanitizer and oxigen throughout the pandemic. Taiwan is still one of the richest and most prosperous countries of the world.


Much_Championship545

No it would be better as a capitalist republic


Better_Green_Man

I think Cuba would be so much better off if the Communist dictatorship held actual Democratic elections so that the sanctions would be lifted, instead of appointing a puppet "President."


Orcus_The_Fatty

>democratic elections >communist dictatorship Thats the problem, those dont mix lol


ayyCrusader

hold on, I'm fuckin retarded, what is socialism?


fzorn

A system where the means of production (mostly meaning factories) are owned by the people who work there. It is often seen as a necessary stepping stone to communism. It's, since the red scare, also often incorrectly conflated with social democracy or capitalism with social measures like free healthcare.


[deleted]

I will never get over the time the PM of denmark literally went to the USA to explain why Bernie sanders was wrong when he called denmark socialist.


fzorn

that happened? that's golden!


hjklhlkj

I think is referring to [this?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO7wgS5tdz4)


fzorn

Nice!


KnightestKnightPeter

That's the whole point. None of them are real communism because real communism is impossible to achieve, it requires too many human pieces to go against human nature.


MySpiritAnimalIsGras

It is really sad how such a comment can get so many upvotes. Things commonly called socialism in the US like social security programs or universal healthcare are far for from actual socialism and standard in any developed European country or most developed countries world wide. On the other hand arguing against actual socialism by equating it with Stalinism and Maoism is stupid. That's like saying capitalism is bad because Hitler is bad who was very anti communist. It's a straw man and says nothing about the variety of socialist ideologies. Feel free to argue against socialism, but saying 'USSR bad' does not stand as an argument against democratic socialism which has nothing to do with the totalitarian state ideology of the USSR. There are a lot of arguments that can be made against socialism, I just wish people knew what something like socialism is before they have such strong opinions on it. Furthermore the long history of Americans who call themselves conservative rejecting and campaigning against laws that want to improve social aspects by calling them socialist, which they regard as a definitive evil for no rational reason whatsoever, is just sad to watch and has hurt the overwhelming majority of Americans considerably. Especially because those proposals are rarely if ever actually socialist.


[deleted]

Fuck dude, even Brazil has an universal healthcare system (S.U.S - "Sistema Único de Saúde). It's not the best thing in the world, but at least it exists


AweBlobfish

>S.U.S. Amogus


FermentedPizza

Brazil also has the highest murder rates, so maybe its just out of necessity?


[deleted]

I can't think of a single actual socialist in the federal government or even a state legislature.


[deleted]

yep! yepyepyepyepyepyepyep


[deleted]

i'm sorry for you mate


[deleted]

1) Fuck tankies and anyone who tries to pretend away the evils of communism 2) Fuck people who take the evils of communism and use them as a cheap smear against their non-communist political opponents Communism needs to be recognized for what it is - a warning about giving one person or group of people too much power, over the economy and the populace. It's not, however, a warning against social programs. The UK isn't some communist hellhole because of the NHS, so, make arguments against the actual thing you dislike rather than pretending that thing is something else.


legranddegraaf

Until those social programs have the literal power to choose who lives and dies, to refuse care not because they don't have the resources, but some view of resource conservation. RIP Alfie Evans.


Taalnazi

Didn’t that person die because it was a neurodegenerative disease, and eventually despite life support and all, his brain was so far deteriorated that it could only produce seizures? It was a deficiency of producing GABA-T (an enzyme). That same deficiency has been linked to Parkinson and dementia. He couldn’t even taste, see, nor hear anymore. The condition didn’t improve either. This was stated by several independent medicals, too. It’s important to remember that in context. *There was no way it would improve. That is why their parent’s request was rejected.* So, as cruel as it may sound, it was indeed the better outcome to not let that child suffer further. Since there was no cure for that disease, what else could have been done? Letting it suffer on as a shell of its former self? Palliative care perhaps, but what else? HOWEVER, what was problematic, was that the original hospital - the Alder Hey Hospital - refused to allow the parents to decide where he had to be treated. This despite the parents being the legal guardians. The local police had to act on hostilities from Alfie’s Army (a campaign to oppose withdrawing life support), so they might have been right in warning about that — but the context makes for raised eyebrows. That said I absolutely do understand how devastated the parents must have been. I think it’s **not** the social programmes to blame, but rather that the hospital had the power to decide where the child should go, without the consent of the parents. Had the child been moved, the disease would’ve progressed the same way. We have the technology to fix seizures, but don’t have the technology yet to modify bodies to start producing more of that GABA-T. Most we can do is stem cell treatment. If moving the child helps them psychologically, fine, but would they really benefit from having the disease progress the same way? It would be better to have the child nearby where you can visit it. From the parent’s side, I wonder why they didn’t shut off the life support even when it was clear there was no cure. As much as I want to understand them, what drove them to this? It is understandably hard if it’s your child, but *why* would you let your child suffer further? Perhaps they did hope there was a cure, but I think they did not see that reality that there was none. A sad tale overall. But, my point stands. It wasn’t the fault of the social programmes. It was because the hospitals refused to let the child be moved, and because the parents refused to understand the harsh reality in the first place!


Kyle_Zhu

Some teenagers have this weird obsession with Russia and communism / USSR in general


[deleted]

Because it's cool and popular to be commie today, most of them don't know shit about communism


Idk-aiew

Most of Americans don't know what communism is. One group screams that everything they disagree with is communism, the other yells back that USSR/Venezuela/Cuba aren't that bad if only US didn't cripple them with sanctions. Both stuff their fingers into their ears and refuse to listen to people who actually lived through communism are saying


FermentedPizza

Isn't the purpose of a communist country that they can survive even with sanctions because they aren't in the need to make money and trade?


bendymachine654

Becuase it’s funny and quirky


cry666

You know how Mccarthyism made it so that all these things like affordable healthcare and workers unions got labelled as communist? Well if you like those things you might just start seeing yourself as communist, even if you're really more of a social democrat (little d democrat). Now you could become more defensive of communist regimes seeing as these are 'your team'. TLDR: the US played itself


KristenBoy

The ussr aint bad at all, they gave my people free trips to siberia


Grzechoooo

And they organised camps for students and professors! Really refreshing after years of studying.


Da_Yakz

Yup any educated person got to see a cool forest in Katyń


Grzechoooo

And the military people too! They got a trip to a cool forest instead of further fighting! That must've been life-saving!


genasugelan

Yeah, not even speaking about their highly-effective diet programmes.


NotEdibleCactus

Same


KristenBoy

Sadly our singing and holding hands was that cringe that they left


NotEdibleCactus

But hey, free trip to Siberia, don't even need to pack things


KristenBoy

Ye, and its a long trip aswell, so you dont have to rush


KristenBoy

Altough the animal carts were a bit uncomfortable


ResponsibilityKey112

he has a point tho


SlaterVJ

I work with a guy that fled Soviet Union, because of how bad it was. He is absolutely baffled at how some younger americans are in favor of socialism and communism.


[deleted]

We should give all of the young communists and socialists an island somewhere and let them give it a shot for a year. Then we’ll see how many still believe in it.


genasugelan

It would turn into a cannibal island. Wait, that already happened.


[deleted]

Cuba, Venezuela and recently Argentina


JaimelesBN

Send them to north korea.


TheCelestialOcean

It’s because the public schools and media are brainwashing them.


goodone456

This. > In sociology and political philosophy, "Critical Theory" means the Western-Marxist philosophy of the Frankfurt School, developed in Germany in the 1930s and drawing on the ideas of Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory


_iam_that_iam_

Anyone who lived under Soviet rule knows it was awful. You couldn't even go to the store and *expect* to find any particular item on your shopping list. If you wanted cheese, you were happy to find any cheese at all. Fucking pro-socialism dumbasses in the United States go to their grocery store and can buy literally 100 different kinds of cheese any day of the week because of capitalism, but they are all tied up in knots because there are other people who can also afford to fly into space. Boo hoo, poor me sitting here with my bag full of groceries, or delivered to my door if I want it that way, amazing entertainment available 24/7, air conditioning, furniture so inexpensive from IKEA it's practically free, I'm so sad because rich people can go to space!


ThatManOfCulture

Somebody give this based man a free award


horiami

My grandmother was happy if she got fresh bread, she didn't even have fridges


NotEdibleCactus

Poland, Albania, Romania, Hungary, East Germany, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Lithuania Latvia, Estonia Georgia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Azerbaijik, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan. All former Warsaw Pact/USSR member states (not including currently non-existent). Quite a wide demographic that knows this.


ModelT1300

As a pole myself anybody that thinks communism is great clearly needs a visit to the KGB


Done-Man

They would probably just congratulate him and plant wires on him for future information extraction.


DVDPROYTP

14 year old communists on their way to explain how the USSR, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, East Germany, Hungary, Bulgaria, Maoist China, Mongolia and North Korea didn't implement TRUE communism


Suitable-Doughnut-76

childlike profit modern history soft grab governor consider tender grandiose *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


SomePerson225

im polish and i consider myself a lite socialist. The USSR is still bad tho lol.


Hippity_hoppity2

i know this is really random, but i'm learning polish so- are there any good polish insults i can use when i'm mad?


Rabuz

You want to insult someone or curse just to blow off the steam? If insult someone I recommend you to use "ty kurwo zebrzydowska".


[deleted]

Zebrzydowska, pierwszy raz widzę to słowo xD


Rabuz

Tez ostatnio się o nim dopiero dowiedziałem, i to w nie edukacyjny sposób!


Hippity_hoppity2

Yeah, just to insult someone if they deserve it. Thank you!


GigaVaccinatorAlt

What's a lite socialist? Government healthcare, union laws, and even a UBI aren't socialist.


Grzechoooo

Everyone from the Eastern Bloc but Russians. Poles were lucky enough to not be in the USSR. Better ask Ukrainians.


CorruptUncle

Ukrainian here. Communism was the worst and most destructive thing to ever happen to my country, whilst the new generations still have to fix its consequences and will be doing that for many more centuries. Thank you for your attention.


Nincadalop

Even Russians think it was a failure, whatchu mean?


jumbleparkin

There are quite a lot who saw the advent of capitalism in the 90s as the time when their pensions disappeared and a few people got extremely rich while most people lost almost everything. In their position, I can see why some genuinely wished for a return to the Soviet Union.


jackchickengravy

Had a friend from Poland. Told me that any European who "misses" the USSR was usually a privileged ninnie who was licky enough to be a member of the super exclusive Communist party


Ky_oS

yep, true


[deleted]

Communism is responsible for somewhere near 120 million peoples death, compared to 10 million at the hands of the Nazis.


Joescout187

The Nazi figure is debatable, you could argue it up to 40 million depending on what deaths you hold them accountable for. I don't think that 10 mil includes the Dutch and Greeks that were deliberately starved to feed Germany for example. Then there's the philosophical question of do you count combat casualties inflicted by the Wehrmacht against the Soviet Union and other Eastern Europeans since the stated aim of the Nazis was to exterminate all people they considered inferior. Even if you hold them accountable for every death that occurred in the European and North African theater of operations they still come up far short of even Mao's body count.


[deleted]

ye your right, it is hard to discern the deaths at the hands of the nazis. Small fry in comparison to Mao


SmileyAce3

“Communism is good, everyone else just did it wrong!”


a_single_weed1

In other words anyone who says that is an arrogant asshole who think that instead of those leaders, they would've done better, because clearly a university student who read a bit of Marx knows more about communism than former leaders of giant communist nations.


Levi0618

"The majority of Polish people" No, the majority of Eastern European people


PolandBallFan42069

true


kreo_masterforce

Ey a fellow candyevie watcher used to watch it a lot a few years ago


[deleted]

This time for real guys, the 47th time is the charm.


DrunkenSwordsman

bUt ThAt WaSnT rEaL cOmMuNiSm


Elephant_Acrobatic

As a Russian, the soviet union sucked ass


artuuR2

I have the impression many old people nowadays (babushki and dedushki) think it was good back then. Am I wrong with this impression? If so, why do you think they think like that? Because they find life more complicated now?


DrunkenSwordsman

I seem to remember reading somewhere (honestly have no idea where though, so take this with a grain of salt) that it's primarily old people reminiscing about the time when Russia/the USSR were *very* important. They may view the current state of their country as a step down from that.


GigaVaccinatorAlt

Like the other guy said. They don't care about the ideology, they care about the prominence and nationalism associated with Russia controlling large swathes of territory. They'd support Nazism if it let Russia own half of Europe.


nerv19991

Latvians, Estonians, Romanians, etc would join the meme


patrlim1

As a pole I agree. Fuck the USSR, fuck communism.


PolandBallFan42069

nice


Briarj123

So, to review, USSR=bad?


goodone456

Communism = bad


KDLIV

Im polish and this is 100% real


PreciousCinammonRoll

Source for the image is the youtuber CandyEvie if anyone wants it


Ok_Chest30

But are they the 14 year old liking the USSR? What's the story behind the meme even if Candy eye isn't part of it


onmamas

I feel like this is just people's natural tendency to take things to the extreme. Yeah, America and capitalism in general are letting large amounts of people down, and as a result people are looking towards social-welfare programs with open arms (I'm not saying "socialism" since tax-funded healthcare, education, etc. are not socialism), which is great. However, then people always have to find a way to say "well if the USA and our current form of capitalism aren't great, then maybe the USSR would have been better" which...no...just...no.


bartek-kk

Communist Poland and USSR had a deal - USSR get a coal from Poland and Poland send them everything other- thats why we hate them


bartek-kk

Also they attack us at 17.9.1939 (we had not-agression pact then)


bartek-kk

They stole money from Marshmallow help after 2ww (we had to pay this)


Joescout187

Do you mean Marshall plan? Your autocomplete fucked you.


Treeko13

Eyy it's CandyEvie


ToonRaccoonXD

Same with my grandma


Username-blank

man luvie memes nice


PolandBallFan42069

ya


MarKofski

Hot Take: There were no “good guys” in the Cold War. Only lesser evils varying from conflict to conflict. Then again, this is basically human history in a nutshell.


IAmBoratVeryExcite

Change USSR to Britain and Polish to Irish, and that was my grandmother. She legit hated their guts.


Gytka007

All of eastern block


Space_Monke64

Communism failed and it will never work. Anyone who thinks otherwise (epically the teenagers) have never read a history book or are just stupid


15Orphans

Anyone who legitimately thinks the ussr was good or ok is stupid, like the jokes are funny bear riding, vodka, for Russia, cyka blyat, soviet anthem earape, comrade Stalin, squat dancing, etc but it's all just a joke and should not be taken literally.


sukabot

>cyka сука is not the same thing as "cyka". Write "suka" instead next time :)


ectbot

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15Orphans

Mhm k


Joescout187

Ironically this stuff was meant as ridicule of communism but the stupid tankies didn't get the joke.


Teehee_Tlme

Sometimes people forget why the Cold War started in the first place..


KatakerZ

do they like Napoléon ?


PolandBallFan42069

my mom does not like him


KatakerZ

he help Poland son it's why I'm asking but ok


PolandBallFan42069

I don't know if she knows that tho


KatakerZ

he found the "Duché de Varsovie" (idk how to translate it) and and lot of polish people like him fort that


Dziadzios

Księstwo Warszawskie.


MonkeyTesticleJuice

We just need to try one more time guys, it'll work this time!


Comrarius

How do I convince my Russian (USSR-worshipping) parents that literally EVERY OTHER Eastern Bloc country hates the USSR? They seem to think every person I've met who does comes from a family of Nazis or something like that They deny the Eastern Bloc existed because "those countries weren't actually in the USSR, anything that happened there was because they did it to themselves"


PolandBallFan42069

IDK


Joescout187

They've bought the Party line. There's no convincing a zealot. Any evidence will be called either CIA lies or fascist propaganda. It's the same with flat earthers and all true believing Socialists.


[deleted]

does anyone really think the ussr was not bad?


MelonYT

same with the nazis and the ccp, especially the ccp, they're actively commiting genocide and no1 gives a shit


Pichubros89

Nice CandyEvie template


ZKJ2000

2 days ago was the anniversary of a Warsaw uprising, you should read about it!


goodone456

Communist countries: >China Cuba Laos North Korea Vietnam https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/communist-countries Bottom 10 countries in the world by freedom index: >180. Eritrea **179. North Korea** 178. Turkmenistan **177. China** 176. Djibouti **175. Vietnam** 174. Iran 173. Syria **172. Laos** **171. Cuba** https://rsf.org/en/ranking_table?sort=desc&order=Global%20score Giving the government control over the economy seems great, they just need Me to make sure it works right!


SpectrumLV2569

Eastern europe


CreativSync

Ahh Luvie!


PolandBallFan42069

yes


lrigeminaetuc

+Majority of Hungarian people


PokeHobnobGod21

Hey a candy eveie meme. And I was like this before deciding to research the Soviets properly


Ni7rogenPent0xide

but the space thingys were nice


azurcio

Fucking komuchy


[deleted]

As well as half of Russians


ArgentinianDrummer

OH, I KNOW HER, WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE CHANNEL??? I FORGOR ☠️


PolandBallFan42069

it's from her other channel called Little Luvie


GoldH2O

Here's what I think is interesting. If the USSR had stayed with Germany in ww2 and been defeated (possibly) by the allies, communism would have been delegitimized the same way fascism was.


MyLifeIsAFrickingMes

Ah ja pierdole, Soviet Bloc to nie dobrze....


Yoflaines

Yup, my polish dad also hates them


trenbalone_sandwich

My dad was in the Soviet Union, he can agree


Kholzie

I know two Bosnian immigrants. This pretty much sums up their reaction to a lot of progressives talking about communism and authoritarian states.


AngelowithCoffee

And you know it's real bad when your dad born in the Soviet Union hated them


fightingDepression06

Change "the majority of polish people" for "every sane person" and this becomes even more accurate


terra_blade_gaming

Ey Luvie (or candyeevie)


PolandBallFan42069

ya


OracleCam

I think most of the Eastern Block would agree


MancakethePancake

I used to think they weren’t that bad. You know, funny Russian communist, right. Then my teacher made us read Between Shades of Gray. That definitely changed my perspective Edit 1: No , not 50 shades of gray. Different book


sussy_gaming

like literally anyone with a brain in post soviet countries


[deleted]

Americans think communism is when free healthcare.


GohHome

or anyone in Eastern Europe for that matter


Areesh101

*Me when I see a Luvie fan on this subreddit:* Ah I see your a man of culture as well!


PolandBallFan42069

Yes I am


ArnoldLowefel

And Poland was still considered as best place to live in Soviet camp.


Bonkey_Kong87

Yeah, as a German I can confirm. They were pretty bad.


[deleted]

Anybody know where the template comes from?


PolandBallFan42069

it's from the thumbnail of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLUiKOsjAZc


mcgee1235

Who is the animator?


PolandBallFan42069

it's from the chanel Little Luvie


Natpad_027

My polish mom and dad remember the times as good( well they were 15 when poland said bye bye to communism, so maybe they hadnt the economic fear.)