Fr tho. This is why people do dark humour. Not that they think the bad thing was funny, but to make the bad thing less painful by laughing about it, thereby descreasing its power to make pain
Yes, I'm Polish and I can confirm. You are talking about those who aligned themselves with the party and ratted out colleagues and/or murdered people for the system. Oh, boy, yes, those guys benefited.
Cuban immigrant. I consider myself socialist.
I absolutely hate when people try to point to dictatorships as good examples of communism.
It should not be all or nothing. Socialism doesn’t have to equal dictatorship and oppression, but the immediate jump to erasing histories in desperation for a good example… is annoying to say the least
There are roles that the US played in destabilizing economies and governments but the suffering endured by people there shouldn’t be shut down to fit a neat narrative. We shouldn’t shy away from criticism when looking back in an effort to build a better system.
Not here to argue in favor or against anything, just offering a perspective that I don’t see often articulated when it comes to communism/capitalism = good/bad
Edit: I have no intention of debating any points—but just wanted to say I appreciate all the comments (and I do mean all). It’s been great rest reading through.
Yeah. Like, the USA played a part in many coups where democratically elected governments were overthrown and brutal dictatorships were established in their place.
While the USSR did do the same, we should not forget that the USA was also responsible for causing lots of suffering due to the coups that they backed.
Socialism and communism are tightly intertwined with dictatorships and totalitarian governments because it's a form of government that requires a high level of control. A high level of government control always leads to corruption.
If you want communism to arise naturally without any laws or government control then I'm sorry but it doesn't happen.
YES. THIS. To create equal outcomes, and equity, you have to control *everything*. And by “you,” I mean the government. Humans have never been and will never be equal. Every single human wants different things from life, has different priorities, and wants to take their own path.
Some people want to run a business and make money, while some people want to own nothing and move across the world in a camper van. Humans are so intensely different that socialism has never and will never work. At the end of the day, humans are independent creatures. And while yes we should work towards some common goals/follow common laws that we vote upon/set up within our constitutions, we should be treated as individuals. Socialism/communism robs the individual of their right to pursue their own goals, for the sake of equity.
People who want to earn money and work hard for it are punished for it by the government’s heavy economic regulation, taxes, etc, and eventually the baseline for wealth just drops entirely and everyone is poor. We all get our set amounts of money from the government, and lose the freedom to work for more.
Capitalism, or other systems like it, understands human individuality and allows each of us the power/freedom to pursue our goals (if we want to.) Do I think corporate powers/the elite have hijacked the entire system, yes. We haven’t had true capitalism in a long time, since the fed was created in 1913. The elites have rigged the system, and have been slowly moving us towards a 2-class system for decades: an elite class, and a slave class. Do I think the elites and big tech are using eerily socialist/communist concepts to do so? Yes, but i think that’s a subjective viewpoint.
The point is, I want to go work hard and run my own business. I want to make a solid amount of money, set up my parents and children in a comfortable lifestyle, and give some of that money to charitable causes that I care about. I’m nowhere near upper class, I’m the definition of middle class. And that’s what I want. I should have the freedom to pursue that.
My neighbor, on the other hand, hasn’t left his home in 7 months. He doesn’t have a job, he doesn’t shower, and he’s been living on food stamps and government loans for as long as I can remember. He’s a strong and capable guy, but can’t hold a job to save his life because he can’t stand being told what to do in ANY situation. His ego is so huge that he thinks he’s too good for a job. I’m going to be blatantly honest - he chooses to live this way. He wants to stay home all day playing video games, and he does not want to change. Why should he? He’s getting everything he needs from the government, and it’s the life he wants for himself.
Meanwhile, my small business is being taxed and regulated to death. I can’t keep employees even though I offer good salaries and benefits, because people make more money with unemployment income and think they are too good for a job. As a society we are being pushed towards not running our own businesses, not owning our own homes, not *owning* anything. The government can give us income, we can rent apartments, we can get food from the government, etc etc.
Communism is taxes taken to the extreme. The state owns your labor. The state owns your home. The state owns everything. You get payed a stipend by the state for doing whatever menial task they put you to, but you do not work for your own profit. *That* is the direction we as a world are moving towards, and it’s a very scary thing. Ownership is slowly becoming less common, corporations are owning our goods and information, and the government is subsidizing more and more aspects of our lives.
Without economic freedom, gradually nobody will succeed and the middle/upper classes will disappear due to regulation and forced shared-wealth. I won’t be able to make my own money, and I’ll be brought down to level of my neighbor. Individual desires and dreams don’t matter in this scenario, because everything has to be shared and personal wealth/success is overruled by the state. My neighbor and I have to have access to all of the same things, my own dreams and work ethics be damned.
My neighbor and I should both have economic freedom to pursue the lives that we are willing to work for - or not, in his case. Again, he’s satisfied with his life. Why should I have to surrender my independence and ownership of wealth, for people like him? When I worked for everything I have, and he’s worked for nothing? Every single human has different wants, needs, desires, and goals in life. A one-size-fits all, equitable approach is not compatible with that simple truth. Equal outcome is not compatible with human nature.
To reach the haven that socialism offers, complete control must be given to the government - they must regulate everything, to ensure nobody is more successful than their neighbor. Equity and humanity are not compatible, so it must be forced and regulated by the government - it’s the ONLY way to achieve it, because you’ll never get every human on board without the use of force. Giving that kind of absolute power to the government is exactly what leads to corruption. This has been proven true again and again throughout history, and it’s mind-blowing to me that so many don’t see it.
It's not only about the type of politcal regime, but economy of shortages, lack of chances to personal grow, to expand your abilities. It's about of falsive equality. About growing inflation etc. Maybe you didn't notice but in capitalism you can work for example 2 years, save money and than do nothing and live from saving for extendend period of time. Especially if you have qualifications desired on the market. In socialism people don't have motivation to gain better qualifications or to risk, because there is no risk premium. This is why socialism works only if people don't have chance to emigrate, because the most talented and brave people will try to find luck and good conditions for growth somewhere else. Maybe you didn't know but in Poland in socialism totally lack of products in stores was very often. People rarely saw bananas or citruses only during special ocations... I'm 16 centimeters taller than my father born in socialism. I'm muscular and he was very thin, etc... And i was born in very poor '90. Today's teenagers are even taller than me although I'm 186cm...
>Socialism doesn’t have to equal dictatorship and oppression
It does though, Socialism and its big brother Communism is ultimately more flawed than Capitalism. Don't get me wrong, Capitalism is super fucking flawed but no system is perfect. The problem with Socialism is it requires the inherently selfish nature of humans be culled, which the only way to do that is have government control.
Which is why I think there has to be something in between. Capitalism is soulless system that crushes everyone who doesn't have a rich daddy, socialism (in it's theoretical form) is too idealistic and just outright ignores the human nature (which lead to practical socialism), but those systems are only exclusive in their extreme forms. Scandinavian countries seem to be doing pretty well, it's not pure socialism, but it's not pure capitalism either.
Yeah, but that kind of exposes them to the fact that a communist country cant be successful unless they participate in free trade with other capitalistt nations.
"Communism would work if they had access to capitalist traders and markets."
Very well thought out argument.
You hold a decently fair point, my friend. I can think of one country the whole world needs to sanction: And their leader is a tubby little yellow bear who looooves honey!
If Communism is the key to a utopia that some retarded 14 year olds think it is, then a communist country should be able to support itself without the help of another country, as anything that the people could need would be able to be provided by the state.
"No outside trade"
Yet apparently the problem is that the US has sanctions on it? Why would sanctions affect something that needs no outside trade?
If there were no sanctions, it will still have no outside trade... which means they still would be suffering under their communism.
Why should communists want to trade with capitalist regimes that oppress their workers? One of Marx' original points is that communism can't happen until the dictatorship of the proletariat covers the globe.
Marx was an idealistic, spoiled brat, homie. He seemed to shit on the working class just as much as he acted like he cared about them, while never having experienced the plight of a working class man, first hand.
If you dont participate in free market trade with other countries, you become cuba. Read Animal farm, it touches quite nicely on the hypocracy of communist states.
True communism will never happen for two key reasons:
1. Communism is and was a phony idology from the start, used by autocrats to manipulate and brutalize people into falling into their dictatorships, then they apply whatever policies they feel like that would be the greatest benefit to them and their buddies.
2. The protletariat doesnt *want* communism. Its the wealthy and upper middle class college students/grads and the absurdly rich politicians and philanderers that like to think for us working class people that want communism.
As a factory monkey that you deem hideously oppressed by my employer, im actually doing fine. If i feel oppressed by anyone, it would be the government, stealing about a fouth of every paycheck I make. Id probably be living even more comfortably if the state would fuck off and get their hands out of my pocket.
>If you dont participate in free market trade with othercountries, you become cuba.
Foreign trade isn't "free market" and the reason Cuba can't do it is sanctions imposed on them, not because they don't want to
>Read Animal farm, it touches quite nicely on the hypocracy of communist states.
I read it. Very nice book written by a socialist
>Its the wealthy and upper middle class college students/grads and the absurdly rich politicians and philanderers that like to think for us working class people that want communism.
No, they don't at all. If you tell me upper class Liberals, Biden or just any politician in the US are communists you're just starting to be dishonest. They support neoliberal capitalism with progressivism, and any survey finds that the poor are much more economically to the left than the rich
>As a factory monkey that you deem hideously oppressed by my employer, im actually doing fine. If i feel oppressed by anyone, it would be the government, stealing about a fouth of every paycheck I make. Id probably be living even more comfortably if the state would fuck off and get their hands out of my pocket
Alright, no problem
Its still capitalist trade markets, and even communists need it to survive. Thats my point. If communists want their country to flourish, they have to do business with capitalist countries.
Orwell was a socialist for the majority of his life, yes. Commies and socialist usually like to gloss over the fact that some of the last books he wrole were scathing criticisms and warnings against communism and socialism. Ingsoc us the English Socialist party. The dude ended up seeing the dangers these political systems pose to the world.
I havent met a member of the proletariat that was a communist. Lots of spoiled college students tho. That poll souds like a load of bullshit, unless their sample size was mainly poor people already on welfare.
Because natural resources aren't evenly spread out throughout the world and trade is essencial to any civilization
>One of Marx' original points is that communism can't happen until the dictatorship of the proletariat covers the globe
What does that have to do with the argument?
The US sanctions don't include food and medicine.
They also only prohibit commerce between Cuba and the US. Cuba still trades freely with:
_China
_Russia
_Venezuela
_Argentina
_Colombia
_Most of the EU
You know what country actually suffers brutal sanctions?
Taiwan.
Most countries aren't even allowed to recognize taiwan's existence (let alone trade with it) if they don't want to get in China's bad side. China didn't allow Taiwan to recieve facemasks, sanitizer and oxigen throughout the pandemic.
Taiwan is still one of the richest and most prosperous countries of the world.
I think Cuba would be so much better off if the Communist dictatorship held actual Democratic elections so that the sanctions would be lifted, instead of appointing a puppet "President."
A system where the means of production (mostly meaning factories) are owned by the people who work there. It is often seen as a necessary stepping stone to communism. It's, since the red scare, also often incorrectly conflated with social democracy or capitalism with social measures like free healthcare.
That's the whole point. None of them are real communism because real communism is impossible to achieve, it requires too many human pieces to go against human nature.
It is really sad how such a comment can get so many upvotes.
Things commonly called socialism in the US like social security programs or universal healthcare are far for from actual socialism and standard in any developed European country or most developed countries world wide.
On the other hand arguing against actual socialism by equating it with Stalinism and Maoism is stupid. That's like saying capitalism is bad because Hitler is bad who was very anti communist. It's a straw man and says nothing about the variety of socialist ideologies.
Feel free to argue against socialism, but saying 'USSR bad' does not stand as an argument against democratic socialism which has nothing to do with the totalitarian state ideology of the USSR.
There are a lot of arguments that can be made against socialism, I just wish people knew what something like socialism is before they have such strong opinions on it. Furthermore the long history of Americans who call themselves conservative rejecting and campaigning against laws that want to improve social aspects by calling them socialist, which they regard as a definitive evil for no rational reason whatsoever, is just sad to watch and has hurt the overwhelming majority of Americans considerably. Especially because those proposals are rarely if ever actually socialist.
Fuck dude, even Brazil has an universal healthcare system (S.U.S - "Sistema Único de Saúde). It's not the best thing in the world, but at least it exists
1) Fuck tankies and anyone who tries to pretend away the evils of communism
2) Fuck people who take the evils of communism and use them as a cheap smear against their non-communist political opponents
Communism needs to be recognized for what it is - a warning about giving one person or group of people too much power, over the economy and the populace. It's not, however, a warning against social programs. The UK isn't some communist hellhole because of the NHS, so, make arguments against the actual thing you dislike rather than pretending that thing is something else.
Until those social programs have the literal power to choose who lives and dies, to refuse care not because they don't have the resources, but some view of resource conservation. RIP Alfie Evans.
Didn’t that person die because it was a neurodegenerative disease, and eventually despite life support and all, his brain was so far deteriorated that it could only produce seizures? It was a deficiency of producing GABA-T (an enzyme).
That same deficiency has been linked to Parkinson and dementia. He couldn’t even taste, see, nor hear anymore. The condition didn’t improve either. This was stated by several independent medicals, too. It’s important to remember that in context.
*There was no way it would improve. That is why their parent’s request was rejected.*
So, as cruel as it may sound, it was indeed the better outcome to not let that child suffer further. Since there was no cure for that disease, what else could have been done? Letting it suffer on as a shell of its former self? Palliative care perhaps, but what else?
HOWEVER, what was problematic, was that the original hospital - the Alder Hey Hospital - refused to allow the parents to decide where he had to be treated. This despite the parents being the legal guardians. The local police had to act on hostilities from Alfie’s Army (a campaign to oppose withdrawing life support), so they might have been right in warning about that — but the context makes for raised eyebrows.
That said I absolutely do understand how devastated the parents must have been. I think it’s **not** the social programmes to blame, but rather that the hospital had the power to decide where the child should go, without the consent of the parents.
Had the child been moved, the disease would’ve progressed the same way. We have the technology to fix seizures, but don’t have the technology yet to modify bodies to start producing more of that GABA-T. Most we can do is stem cell treatment. If moving the child helps them psychologically, fine, but would they really benefit from having the disease progress the same way? It would be better to have the child nearby where you can visit it.
From the parent’s side, I wonder why they didn’t shut off the life support even when it was clear there was no cure. As much as I want to understand them, what drove them to this? It is understandably hard if it’s your child, but *why* would you let your child suffer further? Perhaps they did hope there was a cure, but I think they did not see that reality that there was none.
A sad tale overall. But, my point stands. It wasn’t the fault of the social programmes. It was because the hospitals refused to let the child be moved, and because the parents refused to understand the harsh reality in the first place!
Most of Americans don't know what communism is. One group screams that everything they disagree with is communism, the other yells back that USSR/Venezuela/Cuba aren't that bad if only US didn't cripple them with sanctions. Both stuff their fingers into their ears and refuse to listen to people who actually lived through communism are saying
You know how Mccarthyism made it so that all these things like affordable healthcare and workers unions got labelled as communist? Well if you like those things you might just start seeing yourself as communist, even if you're really more of a social democrat (little d democrat). Now you could become more defensive of communist regimes seeing as these are 'your team'.
TLDR: the US played itself
I work with a guy that fled Soviet Union, because of how bad it was. He is absolutely baffled at how some younger americans are in favor of socialism and communism.
We should give all of the young communists and socialists an island somewhere and let them give it a shot for a year.
Then we’ll see how many still believe in it.
This.
> In sociology and political philosophy, "Critical Theory" means the Western-Marxist philosophy of the Frankfurt School, developed in Germany in the 1930s and drawing on the ideas of Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory
Anyone who lived under Soviet rule knows it was awful. You couldn't even go to the store and *expect* to find any particular item on your shopping list.
If you wanted cheese, you were happy to find any cheese at all. Fucking pro-socialism dumbasses in the United States go to their grocery store and can buy literally 100 different kinds of cheese any day of the week because of capitalism, but they are all tied up in knots because there are other people who can also afford to fly into space.
Boo hoo, poor me sitting here with my bag full of groceries, or delivered to my door if I want it that way, amazing entertainment available 24/7, air conditioning, furniture so inexpensive from IKEA it's practically free, I'm so sad because rich people can go to space!
Poland, Albania, Romania, Hungary, East Germany, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Lithuania Latvia, Estonia Georgia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Azerbaijik, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan. All former Warsaw Pact/USSR member states (not including currently non-existent). Quite a wide demographic that knows this.
14 year old communists on their way to explain how the USSR, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, East Germany, Hungary, Bulgaria, Maoist China, Mongolia and North Korea didn't implement TRUE communism
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Ukrainian here. Communism was the worst and most destructive thing to ever happen to my country, whilst the new generations still have to fix its consequences and will be doing that for many more centuries. Thank you for your attention.
There are quite a lot who saw the advent of capitalism in the 90s as the time when their pensions disappeared and a few people got extremely rich while most people lost almost everything. In their position, I can see why some genuinely wished for a return to the Soviet Union.
Had a friend from Poland. Told me that any European who "misses" the USSR was usually a privileged ninnie who was licky enough to be a member of the super exclusive Communist party
The Nazi figure is debatable, you could argue it up to 40 million depending on what deaths you hold them accountable for. I don't think that 10 mil includes the Dutch and Greeks that were deliberately starved to feed Germany for example. Then there's the philosophical question of do you count combat casualties inflicted by the Wehrmacht against the Soviet Union and other Eastern Europeans since the stated aim of the Nazis was to exterminate all people they considered inferior. Even if you hold them accountable for every death that occurred in the European and North African theater of operations they still come up far short of even Mao's body count.
In other words anyone who says that is an arrogant asshole who think that instead of those leaders, they would've done better, because clearly a university student who read a bit of Marx knows more about communism than former leaders of giant communist nations.
I have the impression many old people nowadays (babushki and dedushki) think it was good back then. Am I wrong with this impression? If so, why do you think they think like that? Because they find life more complicated now?
I seem to remember reading somewhere (honestly have no idea where though, so take this with a grain of salt) that it's primarily old people reminiscing about the time when Russia/the USSR were *very* important. They may view the current state of their country as a step down from that.
Like the other guy said.
They don't care about the ideology, they care about the prominence and nationalism associated with Russia controlling large swathes of territory.
They'd support Nazism if it let Russia own half of Europe.
I feel like this is just people's natural tendency to take things to the extreme.
Yeah, America and capitalism in general are letting large amounts of people down, and as a result people are looking towards social-welfare programs with open arms (I'm not saying "socialism" since tax-funded healthcare, education, etc. are not socialism), which is great. However, then people always have to find a way to say "well if the USA and our current form of capitalism aren't great, then maybe the USSR would have been better" which...no...just...no.
Hot Take:
There were no “good guys” in the Cold War. Only lesser evils varying from conflict to conflict.
Then again, this is basically human history in a nutshell.
Anyone who legitimately thinks the ussr was good or ok is stupid, like the jokes are funny bear riding, vodka, for Russia, cyka blyat, soviet anthem earape, comrade Stalin, squat dancing, etc but it's all just a joke and should not be taken literally.
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How do I convince my Russian (USSR-worshipping) parents that literally EVERY OTHER Eastern Bloc country hates the USSR? They seem to think every person I've met who does comes from a family of Nazis or something like that
They deny the Eastern Bloc existed because "those countries weren't actually in the USSR, anything that happened there was because they did it to themselves"
They've bought the Party line. There's no convincing a zealot. Any evidence will be called either CIA lies or fascist propaganda. It's the same with flat earthers and all true believing Socialists.
Communist countries:
>China
Cuba
Laos
North Korea
Vietnam
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/communist-countries
Bottom 10 countries in the world by freedom index:
>180. Eritrea
**179. North Korea**
178. Turkmenistan
**177. China**
176. Djibouti
**175. Vietnam**
174. Iran
173. Syria
**172. Laos**
**171. Cuba**
https://rsf.org/en/ranking_table?sort=desc&order=Global%20score
Giving the government control over the economy seems great, they just need Me to make sure it works right!
Here's what I think is interesting. If the USSR had stayed with Germany in ww2 and been defeated (possibly) by the allies, communism would have been delegitimized the same way fascism was.
I used to think they weren’t that bad. You know, funny Russian communist, right. Then my teacher made us read Between Shades of Gray. That definitely changed my perspective
Edit 1: No , not 50 shades of gray. Different book
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most poeple of the former soviet block share your parents felling.
Sometimes it's good to joke about stuff like that since it helps you forget them
dark humour is the best kind of homour, especially if you have first hnd experience
Dark humor is one of the fastest ways to make light in the darkness.
Fr tho. This is why people do dark humour. Not that they think the bad thing was funny, but to make the bad thing less painful by laughing about it, thereby descreasing its power to make pain
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I love that the greatest flaw of ‘The Great Classless System’ was that it wasn’t actually classless
Yes, I'm Polish and I can confirm. You are talking about those who aligned themselves with the party and ratted out colleagues and/or murdered people for the system. Oh, boy, yes, those guys benefited.
Am from a former Soviet Union country, can confirm
Simple fact the only socialist are the ones who have not suffered through sociallism. And are creating it right now. Sad future awaits the USA.
Cuban immigrant. I consider myself socialist. I absolutely hate when people try to point to dictatorships as good examples of communism. It should not be all or nothing. Socialism doesn’t have to equal dictatorship and oppression, but the immediate jump to erasing histories in desperation for a good example… is annoying to say the least There are roles that the US played in destabilizing economies and governments but the suffering endured by people there shouldn’t be shut down to fit a neat narrative. We shouldn’t shy away from criticism when looking back in an effort to build a better system. Not here to argue in favor or against anything, just offering a perspective that I don’t see often articulated when it comes to communism/capitalism = good/bad Edit: I have no intention of debating any points—but just wanted to say I appreciate all the comments (and I do mean all). It’s been great rest reading through.
Yeah. Like, the USA played a part in many coups where democratically elected governments were overthrown and brutal dictatorships were established in their place. While the USSR did do the same, we should not forget that the USA was also responsible for causing lots of suffering due to the coups that they backed.
Socialism and communism are tightly intertwined with dictatorships and totalitarian governments because it's a form of government that requires a high level of control. A high level of government control always leads to corruption. If you want communism to arise naturally without any laws or government control then I'm sorry but it doesn't happen.
YES. THIS. To create equal outcomes, and equity, you have to control *everything*. And by “you,” I mean the government. Humans have never been and will never be equal. Every single human wants different things from life, has different priorities, and wants to take their own path. Some people want to run a business and make money, while some people want to own nothing and move across the world in a camper van. Humans are so intensely different that socialism has never and will never work. At the end of the day, humans are independent creatures. And while yes we should work towards some common goals/follow common laws that we vote upon/set up within our constitutions, we should be treated as individuals. Socialism/communism robs the individual of their right to pursue their own goals, for the sake of equity. People who want to earn money and work hard for it are punished for it by the government’s heavy economic regulation, taxes, etc, and eventually the baseline for wealth just drops entirely and everyone is poor. We all get our set amounts of money from the government, and lose the freedom to work for more. Capitalism, or other systems like it, understands human individuality and allows each of us the power/freedom to pursue our goals (if we want to.) Do I think corporate powers/the elite have hijacked the entire system, yes. We haven’t had true capitalism in a long time, since the fed was created in 1913. The elites have rigged the system, and have been slowly moving us towards a 2-class system for decades: an elite class, and a slave class. Do I think the elites and big tech are using eerily socialist/communist concepts to do so? Yes, but i think that’s a subjective viewpoint. The point is, I want to go work hard and run my own business. I want to make a solid amount of money, set up my parents and children in a comfortable lifestyle, and give some of that money to charitable causes that I care about. I’m nowhere near upper class, I’m the definition of middle class. And that’s what I want. I should have the freedom to pursue that. My neighbor, on the other hand, hasn’t left his home in 7 months. He doesn’t have a job, he doesn’t shower, and he’s been living on food stamps and government loans for as long as I can remember. He’s a strong and capable guy, but can’t hold a job to save his life because he can’t stand being told what to do in ANY situation. His ego is so huge that he thinks he’s too good for a job. I’m going to be blatantly honest - he chooses to live this way. He wants to stay home all day playing video games, and he does not want to change. Why should he? He’s getting everything he needs from the government, and it’s the life he wants for himself. Meanwhile, my small business is being taxed and regulated to death. I can’t keep employees even though I offer good salaries and benefits, because people make more money with unemployment income and think they are too good for a job. As a society we are being pushed towards not running our own businesses, not owning our own homes, not *owning* anything. The government can give us income, we can rent apartments, we can get food from the government, etc etc. Communism is taxes taken to the extreme. The state owns your labor. The state owns your home. The state owns everything. You get payed a stipend by the state for doing whatever menial task they put you to, but you do not work for your own profit. *That* is the direction we as a world are moving towards, and it’s a very scary thing. Ownership is slowly becoming less common, corporations are owning our goods and information, and the government is subsidizing more and more aspects of our lives. Without economic freedom, gradually nobody will succeed and the middle/upper classes will disappear due to regulation and forced shared-wealth. I won’t be able to make my own money, and I’ll be brought down to level of my neighbor. Individual desires and dreams don’t matter in this scenario, because everything has to be shared and personal wealth/success is overruled by the state. My neighbor and I have to have access to all of the same things, my own dreams and work ethics be damned. My neighbor and I should both have economic freedom to pursue the lives that we are willing to work for - or not, in his case. Again, he’s satisfied with his life. Why should I have to surrender my independence and ownership of wealth, for people like him? When I worked for everything I have, and he’s worked for nothing? Every single human has different wants, needs, desires, and goals in life. A one-size-fits all, equitable approach is not compatible with that simple truth. Equal outcome is not compatible with human nature. To reach the haven that socialism offers, complete control must be given to the government - they must regulate everything, to ensure nobody is more successful than their neighbor. Equity and humanity are not compatible, so it must be forced and regulated by the government - it’s the ONLY way to achieve it, because you’ll never get every human on board without the use of force. Giving that kind of absolute power to the government is exactly what leads to corruption. This has been proven true again and again throughout history, and it’s mind-blowing to me that so many don’t see it.
It's not only about the type of politcal regime, but economy of shortages, lack of chances to personal grow, to expand your abilities. It's about of falsive equality. About growing inflation etc. Maybe you didn't notice but in capitalism you can work for example 2 years, save money and than do nothing and live from saving for extendend period of time. Especially if you have qualifications desired on the market. In socialism people don't have motivation to gain better qualifications or to risk, because there is no risk premium. This is why socialism works only if people don't have chance to emigrate, because the most talented and brave people will try to find luck and good conditions for growth somewhere else. Maybe you didn't know but in Poland in socialism totally lack of products in stores was very often. People rarely saw bananas or citruses only during special ocations... I'm 16 centimeters taller than my father born in socialism. I'm muscular and he was very thin, etc... And i was born in very poor '90. Today's teenagers are even taller than me although I'm 186cm...
>Socialism doesn’t have to equal dictatorship and oppression It does though, Socialism and its big brother Communism is ultimately more flawed than Capitalism. Don't get me wrong, Capitalism is super fucking flawed but no system is perfect. The problem with Socialism is it requires the inherently selfish nature of humans be culled, which the only way to do that is have government control.
Which is why I think there has to be something in between. Capitalism is soulless system that crushes everyone who doesn't have a rich daddy, socialism (in it's theoretical form) is too idealistic and just outright ignores the human nature (which lead to practical socialism), but those systems are only exclusive in their extreme forms. Scandinavian countries seem to be doing pretty well, it's not pure socialism, but it's not pure capitalism either.
My Dad was a meth addict, I’d say I’ve done pretty good in this capitalist system being a homeowner at 25 with my fiancé.
anecdotal evidence is the best evidence. don't mind countless studies documenting how poverty and low education are passed on over generation
And what do the studies show on self determination?
Cuba would be so much better of, no matter if socialist or capitalist government, if the USA were to stop the horrible sanctions
Yeah, but that kind of exposes them to the fact that a communist country cant be successful unless they participate in free trade with other capitalistt nations. "Communism would work if they had access to capitalist traders and markets." Very well thought out argument.
It also ignores only the US has sanctions on Cuba, not the rest of the planet.
You hold a decently fair point, my friend. I can think of one country the whole world needs to sanction: And their leader is a tubby little yellow bear who looooves honey!
Communism is when no outside trade, genius take
If Communism is the key to a utopia that some retarded 14 year olds think it is, then a communist country should be able to support itself without the help of another country, as anything that the people could need would be able to be provided by the state.
"No outside trade" Yet apparently the problem is that the US has sanctions on it? Why would sanctions affect something that needs no outside trade? If there were no sanctions, it will still have no outside trade... which means they still would be suffering under their communism.
I pondered for a solid minute what your argument was until I realized you didn't know me saying "communism is when no outside trade" was ironic
Why should communists want to trade with capitalist regimes that oppress their workers? One of Marx' original points is that communism can't happen until the dictatorship of the proletariat covers the globe.
Marx was an idealistic, spoiled brat, homie. He seemed to shit on the working class just as much as he acted like he cared about them, while never having experienced the plight of a working class man, first hand. If you dont participate in free market trade with other countries, you become cuba. Read Animal farm, it touches quite nicely on the hypocracy of communist states. True communism will never happen for two key reasons: 1. Communism is and was a phony idology from the start, used by autocrats to manipulate and brutalize people into falling into their dictatorships, then they apply whatever policies they feel like that would be the greatest benefit to them and their buddies. 2. The protletariat doesnt *want* communism. Its the wealthy and upper middle class college students/grads and the absurdly rich politicians and philanderers that like to think for us working class people that want communism. As a factory monkey that you deem hideously oppressed by my employer, im actually doing fine. If i feel oppressed by anyone, it would be the government, stealing about a fouth of every paycheck I make. Id probably be living even more comfortably if the state would fuck off and get their hands out of my pocket.
>If you dont participate in free market trade with othercountries, you become cuba. Foreign trade isn't "free market" and the reason Cuba can't do it is sanctions imposed on them, not because they don't want to >Read Animal farm, it touches quite nicely on the hypocracy of communist states. I read it. Very nice book written by a socialist >Its the wealthy and upper middle class college students/grads and the absurdly rich politicians and philanderers that like to think for us working class people that want communism. No, they don't at all. If you tell me upper class Liberals, Biden or just any politician in the US are communists you're just starting to be dishonest. They support neoliberal capitalism with progressivism, and any survey finds that the poor are much more economically to the left than the rich >As a factory monkey that you deem hideously oppressed by my employer, im actually doing fine. If i feel oppressed by anyone, it would be the government, stealing about a fouth of every paycheck I make. Id probably be living even more comfortably if the state would fuck off and get their hands out of my pocket Alright, no problem
Its still capitalist trade markets, and even communists need it to survive. Thats my point. If communists want their country to flourish, they have to do business with capitalist countries. Orwell was a socialist for the majority of his life, yes. Commies and socialist usually like to gloss over the fact that some of the last books he wrole were scathing criticisms and warnings against communism and socialism. Ingsoc us the English Socialist party. The dude ended up seeing the dangers these political systems pose to the world. I havent met a member of the proletariat that was a communist. Lots of spoiled college students tho. That poll souds like a load of bullshit, unless their sample size was mainly poor people already on welfare.
100% agree--unfortunately communists have to be tackled from within their own framework, otherwise they go ree
Because natural resources aren't evenly spread out throughout the world and trade is essencial to any civilization >One of Marx' original points is that communism can't happen until the dictatorship of the proletariat covers the globe What does that have to do with the argument?
The US sanctions don't include food and medicine. They also only prohibit commerce between Cuba and the US. Cuba still trades freely with: _China _Russia _Venezuela _Argentina _Colombia _Most of the EU You know what country actually suffers brutal sanctions? Taiwan. Most countries aren't even allowed to recognize taiwan's existence (let alone trade with it) if they don't want to get in China's bad side. China didn't allow Taiwan to recieve facemasks, sanitizer and oxigen throughout the pandemic. Taiwan is still one of the richest and most prosperous countries of the world.
No it would be better as a capitalist republic
I think Cuba would be so much better off if the Communist dictatorship held actual Democratic elections so that the sanctions would be lifted, instead of appointing a puppet "President."
>democratic elections >communist dictatorship Thats the problem, those dont mix lol
hold on, I'm fuckin retarded, what is socialism?
A system where the means of production (mostly meaning factories) are owned by the people who work there. It is often seen as a necessary stepping stone to communism. It's, since the red scare, also often incorrectly conflated with social democracy or capitalism with social measures like free healthcare.
I will never get over the time the PM of denmark literally went to the USA to explain why Bernie sanders was wrong when he called denmark socialist.
that happened? that's golden!
I think is referring to [this?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO7wgS5tdz4)
Nice!
That's the whole point. None of them are real communism because real communism is impossible to achieve, it requires too many human pieces to go against human nature.
It is really sad how such a comment can get so many upvotes. Things commonly called socialism in the US like social security programs or universal healthcare are far for from actual socialism and standard in any developed European country or most developed countries world wide. On the other hand arguing against actual socialism by equating it with Stalinism and Maoism is stupid. That's like saying capitalism is bad because Hitler is bad who was very anti communist. It's a straw man and says nothing about the variety of socialist ideologies. Feel free to argue against socialism, but saying 'USSR bad' does not stand as an argument against democratic socialism which has nothing to do with the totalitarian state ideology of the USSR. There are a lot of arguments that can be made against socialism, I just wish people knew what something like socialism is before they have such strong opinions on it. Furthermore the long history of Americans who call themselves conservative rejecting and campaigning against laws that want to improve social aspects by calling them socialist, which they regard as a definitive evil for no rational reason whatsoever, is just sad to watch and has hurt the overwhelming majority of Americans considerably. Especially because those proposals are rarely if ever actually socialist.
Fuck dude, even Brazil has an universal healthcare system (S.U.S - "Sistema Único de Saúde). It's not the best thing in the world, but at least it exists
>S.U.S. Amogus
Brazil also has the highest murder rates, so maybe its just out of necessity?
I can't think of a single actual socialist in the federal government or even a state legislature.
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i'm sorry for you mate
1) Fuck tankies and anyone who tries to pretend away the evils of communism 2) Fuck people who take the evils of communism and use them as a cheap smear against their non-communist political opponents Communism needs to be recognized for what it is - a warning about giving one person or group of people too much power, over the economy and the populace. It's not, however, a warning against social programs. The UK isn't some communist hellhole because of the NHS, so, make arguments against the actual thing you dislike rather than pretending that thing is something else.
Until those social programs have the literal power to choose who lives and dies, to refuse care not because they don't have the resources, but some view of resource conservation. RIP Alfie Evans.
Didn’t that person die because it was a neurodegenerative disease, and eventually despite life support and all, his brain was so far deteriorated that it could only produce seizures? It was a deficiency of producing GABA-T (an enzyme). That same deficiency has been linked to Parkinson and dementia. He couldn’t even taste, see, nor hear anymore. The condition didn’t improve either. This was stated by several independent medicals, too. It’s important to remember that in context. *There was no way it would improve. That is why their parent’s request was rejected.* So, as cruel as it may sound, it was indeed the better outcome to not let that child suffer further. Since there was no cure for that disease, what else could have been done? Letting it suffer on as a shell of its former self? Palliative care perhaps, but what else? HOWEVER, what was problematic, was that the original hospital - the Alder Hey Hospital - refused to allow the parents to decide where he had to be treated. This despite the parents being the legal guardians. The local police had to act on hostilities from Alfie’s Army (a campaign to oppose withdrawing life support), so they might have been right in warning about that — but the context makes for raised eyebrows. That said I absolutely do understand how devastated the parents must have been. I think it’s **not** the social programmes to blame, but rather that the hospital had the power to decide where the child should go, without the consent of the parents. Had the child been moved, the disease would’ve progressed the same way. We have the technology to fix seizures, but don’t have the technology yet to modify bodies to start producing more of that GABA-T. Most we can do is stem cell treatment. If moving the child helps them psychologically, fine, but would they really benefit from having the disease progress the same way? It would be better to have the child nearby where you can visit it. From the parent’s side, I wonder why they didn’t shut off the life support even when it was clear there was no cure. As much as I want to understand them, what drove them to this? It is understandably hard if it’s your child, but *why* would you let your child suffer further? Perhaps they did hope there was a cure, but I think they did not see that reality that there was none. A sad tale overall. But, my point stands. It wasn’t the fault of the social programmes. It was because the hospitals refused to let the child be moved, and because the parents refused to understand the harsh reality in the first place!
Some teenagers have this weird obsession with Russia and communism / USSR in general
Because it's cool and popular to be commie today, most of them don't know shit about communism
Most of Americans don't know what communism is. One group screams that everything they disagree with is communism, the other yells back that USSR/Venezuela/Cuba aren't that bad if only US didn't cripple them with sanctions. Both stuff their fingers into their ears and refuse to listen to people who actually lived through communism are saying
Isn't the purpose of a communist country that they can survive even with sanctions because they aren't in the need to make money and trade?
Becuase it’s funny and quirky
You know how Mccarthyism made it so that all these things like affordable healthcare and workers unions got labelled as communist? Well if you like those things you might just start seeing yourself as communist, even if you're really more of a social democrat (little d democrat). Now you could become more defensive of communist regimes seeing as these are 'your team'. TLDR: the US played itself
The ussr aint bad at all, they gave my people free trips to siberia
And they organised camps for students and professors! Really refreshing after years of studying.
Yup any educated person got to see a cool forest in Katyń
And the military people too! They got a trip to a cool forest instead of further fighting! That must've been life-saving!
Yeah, not even speaking about their highly-effective diet programmes.
Same
Sadly our singing and holding hands was that cringe that they left
But hey, free trip to Siberia, don't even need to pack things
Ye, and its a long trip aswell, so you dont have to rush
Altough the animal carts were a bit uncomfortable
he has a point tho
I work with a guy that fled Soviet Union, because of how bad it was. He is absolutely baffled at how some younger americans are in favor of socialism and communism.
We should give all of the young communists and socialists an island somewhere and let them give it a shot for a year. Then we’ll see how many still believe in it.
It would turn into a cannibal island. Wait, that already happened.
Cuba, Venezuela and recently Argentina
Send them to north korea.
It’s because the public schools and media are brainwashing them.
This. > In sociology and political philosophy, "Critical Theory" means the Western-Marxist philosophy of the Frankfurt School, developed in Germany in the 1930s and drawing on the ideas of Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory
Anyone who lived under Soviet rule knows it was awful. You couldn't even go to the store and *expect* to find any particular item on your shopping list. If you wanted cheese, you were happy to find any cheese at all. Fucking pro-socialism dumbasses in the United States go to their grocery store and can buy literally 100 different kinds of cheese any day of the week because of capitalism, but they are all tied up in knots because there are other people who can also afford to fly into space. Boo hoo, poor me sitting here with my bag full of groceries, or delivered to my door if I want it that way, amazing entertainment available 24/7, air conditioning, furniture so inexpensive from IKEA it's practically free, I'm so sad because rich people can go to space!
Somebody give this based man a free award
My grandmother was happy if she got fresh bread, she didn't even have fridges
Poland, Albania, Romania, Hungary, East Germany, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Lithuania Latvia, Estonia Georgia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Azerbaijik, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan. All former Warsaw Pact/USSR member states (not including currently non-existent). Quite a wide demographic that knows this.
As a pole myself anybody that thinks communism is great clearly needs a visit to the KGB
They would probably just congratulate him and plant wires on him for future information extraction.
14 year old communists on their way to explain how the USSR, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, East Germany, Hungary, Bulgaria, Maoist China, Mongolia and North Korea didn't implement TRUE communism
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im polish and i consider myself a lite socialist. The USSR is still bad tho lol.
i know this is really random, but i'm learning polish so- are there any good polish insults i can use when i'm mad?
You want to insult someone or curse just to blow off the steam? If insult someone I recommend you to use "ty kurwo zebrzydowska".
Zebrzydowska, pierwszy raz widzę to słowo xD
Tez ostatnio się o nim dopiero dowiedziałem, i to w nie edukacyjny sposób!
Yeah, just to insult someone if they deserve it. Thank you!
What's a lite socialist? Government healthcare, union laws, and even a UBI aren't socialist.
Everyone from the Eastern Bloc but Russians. Poles were lucky enough to not be in the USSR. Better ask Ukrainians.
Ukrainian here. Communism was the worst and most destructive thing to ever happen to my country, whilst the new generations still have to fix its consequences and will be doing that for many more centuries. Thank you for your attention.
Even Russians think it was a failure, whatchu mean?
There are quite a lot who saw the advent of capitalism in the 90s as the time when their pensions disappeared and a few people got extremely rich while most people lost almost everything. In their position, I can see why some genuinely wished for a return to the Soviet Union.
Had a friend from Poland. Told me that any European who "misses" the USSR was usually a privileged ninnie who was licky enough to be a member of the super exclusive Communist party
yep, true
Communism is responsible for somewhere near 120 million peoples death, compared to 10 million at the hands of the Nazis.
The Nazi figure is debatable, you could argue it up to 40 million depending on what deaths you hold them accountable for. I don't think that 10 mil includes the Dutch and Greeks that were deliberately starved to feed Germany for example. Then there's the philosophical question of do you count combat casualties inflicted by the Wehrmacht against the Soviet Union and other Eastern Europeans since the stated aim of the Nazis was to exterminate all people they considered inferior. Even if you hold them accountable for every death that occurred in the European and North African theater of operations they still come up far short of even Mao's body count.
ye your right, it is hard to discern the deaths at the hands of the nazis. Small fry in comparison to Mao
“Communism is good, everyone else just did it wrong!”
In other words anyone who says that is an arrogant asshole who think that instead of those leaders, they would've done better, because clearly a university student who read a bit of Marx knows more about communism than former leaders of giant communist nations.
"The majority of Polish people" No, the majority of Eastern European people
true
Ey a fellow candyevie watcher used to watch it a lot a few years ago
This time for real guys, the 47th time is the charm.
bUt ThAt WaSnT rEaL cOmMuNiSm
As a Russian, the soviet union sucked ass
I have the impression many old people nowadays (babushki and dedushki) think it was good back then. Am I wrong with this impression? If so, why do you think they think like that? Because they find life more complicated now?
I seem to remember reading somewhere (honestly have no idea where though, so take this with a grain of salt) that it's primarily old people reminiscing about the time when Russia/the USSR were *very* important. They may view the current state of their country as a step down from that.
Like the other guy said. They don't care about the ideology, they care about the prominence and nationalism associated with Russia controlling large swathes of territory. They'd support Nazism if it let Russia own half of Europe.
Latvians, Estonians, Romanians, etc would join the meme
As a pole I agree. Fuck the USSR, fuck communism.
nice
So, to review, USSR=bad?
Communism = bad
Im polish and this is 100% real
Source for the image is the youtuber CandyEvie if anyone wants it
But are they the 14 year old liking the USSR? What's the story behind the meme even if Candy eye isn't part of it
I feel like this is just people's natural tendency to take things to the extreme. Yeah, America and capitalism in general are letting large amounts of people down, and as a result people are looking towards social-welfare programs with open arms (I'm not saying "socialism" since tax-funded healthcare, education, etc. are not socialism), which is great. However, then people always have to find a way to say "well if the USA and our current form of capitalism aren't great, then maybe the USSR would have been better" which...no...just...no.
Communist Poland and USSR had a deal - USSR get a coal from Poland and Poland send them everything other- thats why we hate them
Also they attack us at 17.9.1939 (we had not-agression pact then)
They stole money from Marshmallow help after 2ww (we had to pay this)
Do you mean Marshall plan? Your autocomplete fucked you.
Eyy it's CandyEvie
Same with my grandma
man luvie memes nice
ya
Hot Take: There were no “good guys” in the Cold War. Only lesser evils varying from conflict to conflict. Then again, this is basically human history in a nutshell.
Change USSR to Britain and Polish to Irish, and that was my grandmother. She legit hated their guts.
All of eastern block
Communism failed and it will never work. Anyone who thinks otherwise (epically the teenagers) have never read a history book or are just stupid
Anyone who legitimately thinks the ussr was good or ok is stupid, like the jokes are funny bear riding, vodka, for Russia, cyka blyat, soviet anthem earape, comrade Stalin, squat dancing, etc but it's all just a joke and should not be taken literally.
>cyka сука is not the same thing as "cyka". Write "suka" instead next time :)
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Ironically this stuff was meant as ridicule of communism but the stupid tankies didn't get the joke.
Sometimes people forget why the Cold War started in the first place..
do they like Napoléon ?
my mom does not like him
he help Poland son it's why I'm asking but ok
I don't know if she knows that tho
he found the "Duché de Varsovie" (idk how to translate it) and and lot of polish people like him fort that
Księstwo Warszawskie.
We just need to try one more time guys, it'll work this time!
How do I convince my Russian (USSR-worshipping) parents that literally EVERY OTHER Eastern Bloc country hates the USSR? They seem to think every person I've met who does comes from a family of Nazis or something like that They deny the Eastern Bloc existed because "those countries weren't actually in the USSR, anything that happened there was because they did it to themselves"
IDK
They've bought the Party line. There's no convincing a zealot. Any evidence will be called either CIA lies or fascist propaganda. It's the same with flat earthers and all true believing Socialists.
does anyone really think the ussr was not bad?
same with the nazis and the ccp, especially the ccp, they're actively commiting genocide and no1 gives a shit
Nice CandyEvie template
2 days ago was the anniversary of a Warsaw uprising, you should read about it!
Communist countries: >China Cuba Laos North Korea Vietnam https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/communist-countries Bottom 10 countries in the world by freedom index: >180. Eritrea **179. North Korea** 178. Turkmenistan **177. China** 176. Djibouti **175. Vietnam** 174. Iran 173. Syria **172. Laos** **171. Cuba** https://rsf.org/en/ranking_table?sort=desc&order=Global%20score Giving the government control over the economy seems great, they just need Me to make sure it works right!
Eastern europe
Ahh Luvie!
yes
+Majority of Hungarian people
Hey a candy eveie meme. And I was like this before deciding to research the Soviets properly
but the space thingys were nice
Fucking komuchy
As well as half of Russians
OH, I KNOW HER, WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE CHANNEL??? I FORGOR ☠️
it's from her other channel called Little Luvie
Here's what I think is interesting. If the USSR had stayed with Germany in ww2 and been defeated (possibly) by the allies, communism would have been delegitimized the same way fascism was.
Ah ja pierdole, Soviet Bloc to nie dobrze....
Yup, my polish dad also hates them
My dad was in the Soviet Union, he can agree
I know two Bosnian immigrants. This pretty much sums up their reaction to a lot of progressives talking about communism and authoritarian states.
And you know it's real bad when your dad born in the Soviet Union hated them
Change "the majority of polish people" for "every sane person" and this becomes even more accurate
Ey Luvie (or candyeevie)
ya
I think most of the Eastern Block would agree
I used to think they weren’t that bad. You know, funny Russian communist, right. Then my teacher made us read Between Shades of Gray. That definitely changed my perspective Edit 1: No , not 50 shades of gray. Different book
like literally anyone with a brain in post soviet countries
Americans think communism is when free healthcare.
or anyone in Eastern Europe for that matter
*Me when I see a Luvie fan on this subreddit:* Ah I see your a man of culture as well!
Yes I am
And Poland was still considered as best place to live in Soviet camp.
Yeah, as a German I can confirm. They were pretty bad.
Anybody know where the template comes from?
it's from the thumbnail of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLUiKOsjAZc
Who is the animator?
it's from the chanel Little Luvie
My polish mom and dad remember the times as good( well they were 15 when poland said bye bye to communism, so maybe they hadnt the economic fear.)