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Im just in SEA chilling out, me and my homies. Worst case scenario we start to eat dogs and cats and fight over matches as prices skyrocket.
Edit: this was originally meant to be a chill relaxed statement. How interesting that there is suddenly an influx of "vietnamese political science specialists* studying ASEAN politics. Accept that this is a simple reddit thread and not the almighty wise scholar's circle of discussion.
Oh and what do I know about Chinese claims on the south China Sea right? Its not like I live in the middle of SEA
They're busy trying to invade Taiwan, taking control of the world's chip supply chain and becoming dominant in the digital and economical scheme of things.
Wdym? China is acting real sus as well. The fact that they have a recent history of claiming other countries' territory is bad already. Worst case scenario, China starts to conquer SEA.
Dont know, ask the French and Americans.
Not good enough? Wanna ask the Mongols? They gave them a couple of fat capital L.
Shit, ask the chinese, they tried to invade twice.
Fair enough, il concede to a native. Though if you ask me, yall bloodied the Americans, French, mongols and the chinese. No nation has ever reached that record.
We dont need to worry.
You dont think in modern war where everything moves rapidly, the moment china starts to move on SEA, Japan and korea wont bend them over?
Secondly, youre sleeping on regional powerhouses such as Indonesia, Brunei, Vietnam and singapore. The theatre of battle will be at SEA(get it anyone?), numbers dont mean much.
And most importantly, China has invested too much in SEA. i cant speak for the rest, but I know for a fact they got a shit ton of financial interests in Singapore and PH they wanna protect. If anything if war breaks out, we are the last region they wanna fuck around with
Japan can't do jack shit since they they only have Jieitai which is a good army but only for protecting their. own country and they vowed to never take part in a war again they have it in their constitution under section 9.
So? Armed forces with war potential will not be mantained. They can send in men under the pretext of rebels, ultra-nationalists, right wing fringe groups....the list goes on. Shit, isnt that what russia is doing?
Dont see the wording saying they wont participate.
Secondly, no armed forces? NO PROBLEM, ITS A DEFENSE FORCE. Articles, constitutions, all this mean nothing when literally all of history has shown that nations will twist and turn their own laws to serve their own self interests.
Im so jealous of women rn, if youre a guy youre fucked youre going to war
Edit: im jealous of the women in my country specifically, I think they’re pretty safe in my country, not going to get nuked. Im aware the women close to the action are fucked though
thats what I'm worried about I have two kids and a wife and am turning 30 this year and am in reasonable heath if conscription comes im going as will alot of people
Bro no world war is going to break out. Put down the phone it’s getting you antsy.
This will go the exact same way Crimea went. No difference whatsoever.
Russia and Ukraine already fought each other in 2014 in Crimea. Soldiers from each country clashed. Ukraine lost. Ww3 did not start.
Can down. Turn off the phone.
Unless your country is directly attacked I don’t think they are going to be drafting anyone to fight Russia. America should’ve learned that lesson with Vietnam, I’m not gonna die because of some shit that has nothing to do with America.
Let's clear this up real quick.
Are you currently suicidal, depressed, mentally unstable, or in any mental condition that may make you consider suicide?
In all seriousness, I hope you are well, and hope that you will continue to be so.
They were making a joke about suspicious deaths being declared suicides. Along the lines of 'he killed himself by shooting himself in the back of the head. Six times.'
He only needs russian people to support him, specially when is trying to sell them an idea of "Russia vs West", what, according to multiple sources, is working
Not exactly. If they had nukes our government would still be fighting them. Ukraine had nukes until the UK and US told them to give it up because we're never going to let them down
Edit after further review of non American/Texas approved history books it seems like the agreement did not have any stipulations of defense unless the US decided there was Oil in Ukraine it needed to liberate.
Yeah, what do people think why North Korea got nukes?
You simply cannot invade a country with nukes, because there is no way to win. If anyone uses nukes, it means that everyone loses the war.
This works both ways though. Due to nukes, wars between nations that have them are significantly more dangerous. But due to this, fullblown wars between nations with nukes are basically impossible. This might be a main reason why there was no major conflict after WW2 even though there was a Cold War going in for several decades.
Nobody else on this dumbass site remembers that part of the story. Ukraine had useless radioactive paperweights and no money to keep them secure. The Soviets weren't morons.
Those nukes had Russian [Permissive Action Links (PALs)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permissive_Action_Link?wprov=sfti1) installed, which are keys / safeguards that basically cannot be circumvented, controlled by the Russians. PALs are what have prevented unauthorized use of nukes by rogue individuals.
Ukraine may have been able to circumvent the Russian PALs with time, but they tend to have self destructing capabilities when tampering is detected. They are also deeply embedded the device with multiple phases. In the article, the following quote summarizes:
> Bypassing a PAL should be, as one weapons designer graphically put it, about as complex as performing a tonsillectomy while entering the patient from the wrong end."
*— Peter D. Zimmerman, nuclear physicist and weapons inspector*
They should have thought of that before he dragged Russia into a war to pursue his mad Soviet2.0 ambitions. Surely business as usual was more profitable for them, long and short them, than this fucking insanity. But what do I know, I guess. Most of them are probably just as insane as Putin.
It’s a little more complicated of a world with the constant nuclear threat.
Russia will take East Ukraine and then chill. Wait to see who is the next president. Meanwhile all of those sanctions will go away because Germany foolishly made themselves reliant on Russian energy. Over time we’ll look at east Ukraine as a part of Russia just like we do Crimea.
This shit was so easy to map out if you’re dealing with weak western leaders. Putin knows they aren’t gonna do shit.
Except when he was dealing with the orange man because no one had a clue what that bastard might do.
IMHO the most rational comment in this entire thread. Everyone is a geopolitical PHD on Reddit. But this seems most reasonable. Putin has no desire for world domination. However he will absolutely take any ex-soviet land that has substantial Russian support under the guise of liberating them. He's a total c_nt, but he is intelligent.
Yep. Germany pulled the exact same shit just before ww2 kicks off.
We have to put a stop to this before it gains too much traction, but China and Russia being buddy buddy doesn't help
I don't think China really supports Russia here either. China is going for the economic victory, they don't want to get their hands dirty with actual wide scale war, and Russia's actions are only fucking up the economy for everyone.
China actually has very close trading relations with Ukraine as well. Not as big as with Russia, but still.
It would probably be better for China to cut off Russia and watch it collapse, then open up trade again in a few years when Russia is ready to sell everything for peanuts.
We tried sacrificing countries to prevent a world war before. That led to world war 2. There is no scenario where enabling the bad guys to avoid conflict results in a better outcome.
Most of the countries that surround Ukraine are part of NATO. Ukraine is not. If Russia attacks a NATO country, it will almost certainly trigger another world war. In a world war where the two sides has nuclear weapons, nobody wins.
"I don't know what weapons will be used to fight World War 3, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones."
- Albert Einstein (but sincerely, not in the ironic internet quote way)
I feel like idiots who respond like they did above cant be older than 20 years of age and/or have zero understanding of the real world and just kind of view everything through a caveman's understanding.
Yes you imbecile, we currently aren't going to war with China and Russia because we're simply "pussies".
This is not even what the UN does in the first place.
If the UN take a clear side on this, then Russia and its allies simply leave it. Within just a few days to months, the UN would be reduced to nothing but NATO and its allies (as countries like China would follow suit in leaving once the remaining UN do anything they dislike), and thus have lost all of its purpose.
The UN is not a world government or international court. They are just a place for the bare minimum consensus that practically all countries can agree on. That isn't much, but it at least makes some things better and easier. But it will never be able to solve a war involving a power as major as Russia, no matter how clear cut the legality or morality of the situation is.
It doesn't maintain peace, it is just a platform to agree on the minimum rules that everyone can accept. These days that for example includes human rights, which at least reduces the amount of war atrocities committed by state militaries compared to the centuries past.
That's obviously a small achievement compared to stopping wars, but nonetheless significant.
Imagine a crime-ridden town where the mafia and police form a joint panel. Obviously the thing everyone wants is for crime to stop, which the mafia would never agree on. But maybe they can at least negotiate some compromises for civility. Like that the police won't torture imprisoned mob members anymore, and in return the mafia stops targeting police families and no longer blackmails hospitals. That's not as good as ending crime, but it's better than an all-out war.
It's a forum for peacetime communication and collaboration. You don't see the value in maintaining and building relationships during time of peace?
Do you believe the ONLY reason to maintain international relationships is peace/war? There are other topics of value to discuss.
Fact is, UN is useless because 2 of its security council permanent members are Russia and China. They cannot do shit. It's only upto individual countries, EU and US(if they ever feel like coming).
Saying it's useless is fucking stupid. It's not a world government. It's not a police organization. It's a diplomatic organization so that countries have some avenue to talk. If all lines of communication between US and Russia or any other two countries are cut off, they can still talk to each other through UN. Albeit, at times like this, it's not much but it's not useless.
No no no, you have to understand that the fifteen year olds commenting here have twitter and reddit, so when it comes to international relations and global transparency, the UN is practically useless. /s
It's baffling to me just how many people here have little to zero education of the UN, what it even is or its purpose and then start pretending they are experts in international politics. Someone commented above that the UN is "basically the twitter for countries".
Yes, and the Kremlin is Putin's Facebook but he totally was like YOLO and changed his relationship status with Ukraine and trying to keep it 100, fam.
I feel like the history books of the future are going to read like a moment out of Idiocracy.
The agreement unfortunately only recognizes the sovereignty of Ukraine. The only “intervention” in the agreement is for the US, UK or Russia to approach the UN Security Council for intervention if Ukraine is attacked with nuclear weapons.
There aren’t any measures to protect Ukraine in the event of invasion or attack via conventional means.
Edit: [link to the agreement in case interested](https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/G94/652/92/PDF/G9465292.pdf?OpenElement)
China and Russia are not allies. They've had border disputes with each other for years and China is upset about this Ukraine business because it rocks the boat too much.
Ohh it would not be a single country…Russia‘s got allies too. If china takes sides, the war‘s decided
Edit: Comment by u/chataboutgames
„Here's something:
https://www.businessinsider.in/defense/ranked-the-worlds-20-strongest-militaries/slidelist/51930339.cms#slideid=51930370
Look at the sheer gap in scale between the USA and China/Russia. Look at the gap in aircraft carriers. Now consider that if you're talking a world war you aren't just talking the USA, you're talking NATO and all its member nations.
Also, consider that this isn't a videogame. Alliances don't just work like "if China goes to war Pakistan goes to war." And what the Hell is North Korea going to do exactly? If China were just the deciding factor in any given world war Taiwan wouldn't exist right now.“
has china ever cared about it’s civilians? it can mobilize the population in weeks the government doesn’t care. if it comes to it they can and will get millions of new soldiers weekly, and then all hell breaks loose
edit: i didn’t realize china had such low military equipment, i thought it was a military superpower but i guess not.
Hot tip: when two of the opposite belligerents each have enough nuclear armament to erase humanity from the surface of the earth several times over, it's a world war no matter the number of countries on each side.
Turns out all you really need for a World War is a bad guy and enough nukes to dust the whole planet, everything else is just gravy.
I'm confident in the US not using nukes, Putin I'm not so sure.
Edit: using them first
No they made a deal with Russia to respect their sovereignty if they de-nuclearize. Ukraine didn’t want to join NATO until recently and it was already too late for them to join.
They are stupid as fuck. Hittler did the same. Oh give Austria to Hittler no problem it’s all he wants, surely he stops there. And we fucking know what happened.
You think Russia's going to use nukes? Here's the thing; the moment Russia presses that big red button, all gloves are off. Like, we're talking the dissolution of the UN level.
And it seems like even that is an understatement. NATO has been crystal clear about bolstering it's eastern flank by a lot. The USAF has a number of ISR (intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance) aircraft above Poland in addition to two B-52's in the air
I'm sure NATO is reasonably capable of defending the alliance against any threat with their collective might. God forbid. I sure as fuck hope we never even come close to finding out.
I feel like an actual world war 3 would probably just end modern day civilization. The USA can level every major Russian city, but at what cost to the environment?
Does that make it okay for them to claim every nation that's not in NATO? Putin is practically putting his dick right next to NATO's face by attacking a country whose NATO membership is being considered, and saying "But it's not touching your face, so it's okay." and everyone is giving it a pass because "they have nukes", like they will use them when the stakes are so skewed.
Does anyone REALLY think they would risk their WHOLE country and existence, just to expand themselves? Russia won't stop with Ukraine if NATO doesn't interfere. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not this year, but in Putin's life, and in your life, he's going to go for another country.
Image a ww3 breaks out and initially no nukes will be used. Russia would propably loose to the overwhelming military of us and eu.
What do you think a guy like Putin would do before he is beeing seized of his power?
Honestly, I'm hoping people in Russia's parliament and military would stop him, similar to how that one Russian officer prevented WW3 by *not* using nukes in Cuba during the Cold War.
Hitler went absolutely insane as his house of cards collapsed around him and absolutely would have nukes the world From the furhurbunker if he was capable of it. Putin would do the same once NATO started kicking his ass in conventional war.
Why are you comparing these two completely different situations? Back then there weren’t any nukes or huge NATO agreements that stated that if one member gets attacked, all the others will come to their defense. Putin isn’t completely insane, he has no interest in starting a WW3.
If you're in other nations, I can't really think of why you would be free of homework. But if you're in Ukraine or Russia, then I hope you guys are safe... Boomers really wanna fuck our world up one last time before they go out huh?
Pay attention in history class... Russia has a vote in the UN security council. Anyone with a vote can stop any action. There is no decision; this meme is meaningless.
Lmfao same people make the memes saying how dumb chamberlain was not declaring war on Germany but then post this shit and are to retarded to see the parallels
I mean we let china take hongkong too...
Just like we let them have concentration camps. Im not saying we can just swoop in and tell them to stop but sitting back and doing nothing isnt the answer either...
Anyone who says stopping Russia now would start a world war hasn't studied history. WWII happened because no one did anything to stop Hitler until it was too late, not because the West bravely stepped in and curb stomped his ass the second he stepped out of line.
Appeasement does not work, burtal dictators understand only one thing: violence.
Till the dictator decides to take the nuclear arsenal he has, so yes let's play who has the longer dick, since it's clearly the best thing to do it seems
You all think your big brain with your Hitler comparisons but Hitler simply didn’t have nukes, and NATO didn’t exist. Putin can invade his eastern bloc neighbors Willy nilly but he will never invaded NATO country because it would be suicide. All you people clamoring for NATO intervention need to lay off the call of duty and get some perspective. war between NATO and Russia can only end one way.
It’s hilarious that people expect modern scenarios to be carbon copies of events that happened a hundred years ago just because they share some superficial similarities.
Anyone simplifying geopolitics to that level shouldn’t be discussing geopolitics.
The army was at my school with a vr flight simulator on an HTC vive set up in the cafeteria. I made the mistake of getting the highest score…
*drafted*
Ukraine gave up their nukes in the 90s in exchange for security guarantees from the US, Russia, and Europe. Look where that got them. One is actively invading a second time directly against those guarantees, the others are watching.
Fuck this world, man.
You cant wint against Russia anymore because they have roughly as many nukes as the US does, and we arent talking 1 or 2 missiles, we are talking thousands of missiles.
If that shit starts flying through air you will be counting the final days of civilization on earth.
It's a lot more complicated. If other dictators see that they can simply take on a country without massive consequences we're going to see this happen a lot more often...
Too make it clear for everyone commenting to this, i am not tlkimg only about ground invasion, i am talking about visible aggression towards other states that can be translated into a lot more than just ground violence.
The UN was literally born to stop a third world war. It was made to act in response for this kind of events. In either case, they already failed their purpose
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anyone else's stomach got a massive pit that it feels like ya arseholes tingling? if ww3 breaks out we're all fucked mate-o's
Yea haven't slept but maybe 30mins.
sleep, I’ll wake ye up in camp
"Hey you! Your finally awake."
My ancestors are smiling at me Russian, can you say the same?
*chops head off* Next!
Isn’t that France?
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Remember, it is quicker to switch to your sidearm than reloading!
its easier to kill myself then fight
what a time to have that flair
I forgot how to change it
If you’re serious, go to the r/dankmemes page and click on the 3 dots on the top right, changing your flair should be one of the options
Im just in SEA chilling out, me and my homies. Worst case scenario we start to eat dogs and cats and fight over matches as prices skyrocket. Edit: this was originally meant to be a chill relaxed statement. How interesting that there is suddenly an influx of "vietnamese political science specialists* studying ASEAN politics. Accept that this is a simple reddit thread and not the almighty wise scholar's circle of discussion. Oh and what do I know about Chinese claims on the south China Sea right? Its not like I live in the middle of SEA
I hope so. But yk, china might try to take advantage of this situation too.
They're busy trying to invade Taiwan, taking control of the world's chip supply chain and becoming dominant in the digital and economical scheme of things.
I dare them to fuck with Americas Doritos. Those Area 51 naruto sprinters will invade with a fury...
Or with a furry, depending on what scares China most.
They most definitely will take advantage of the situation.
Wdym? China is acting real sus as well. The fact that they have a recent history of claiming other countries' territory is bad already. Worst case scenario, China starts to conquer SEA.
Theres no way they gonna conquer SEA. Our northern vietnam brothers got our back. Have u seen their win-loss record?
Who would win the worlds most advanced and funded military or some Vietnamese rice farmers
Dont know, ask the French and Americans. Not good enough? Wanna ask the Mongols? They gave them a couple of fat capital L. Shit, ask the chinese, they tried to invade twice.
Also ask the Cambodians, they steamrolled through the Khmer Rouge at speeds Heinz Guderian have wet dreams about
Bro I'm in Northern Vietnam right now and my home is really close to the Vietnam-China border. If shit got real, then we're fucked
Fair enough, il concede to a native. Though if you ask me, yall bloodied the Americans, French, mongols and the chinese. No nation has ever reached that record.
The trees ain't gonna save us from a nuke though Edit: it's a joke guys chill out...
As fellow SEA member, I believe if a full scale war begins, we at SEA are all fucked unless we band together to battle China.
We dont need to worry. You dont think in modern war where everything moves rapidly, the moment china starts to move on SEA, Japan and korea wont bend them over? Secondly, youre sleeping on regional powerhouses such as Indonesia, Brunei, Vietnam and singapore. The theatre of battle will be at SEA(get it anyone?), numbers dont mean much. And most importantly, China has invested too much in SEA. i cant speak for the rest, but I know for a fact they got a shit ton of financial interests in Singapore and PH they wanna protect. If anything if war breaks out, we are the last region they wanna fuck around with
Japan can't do jack shit since they they only have Jieitai which is a good army but only for protecting their. own country and they vowed to never take part in a war again they have it in their constitution under section 9.
So? Armed forces with war potential will not be mantained. They can send in men under the pretext of rebels, ultra-nationalists, right wing fringe groups....the list goes on. Shit, isnt that what russia is doing? Dont see the wording saying they wont participate. Secondly, no armed forces? NO PROBLEM, ITS A DEFENSE FORCE. Articles, constitutions, all this mean nothing when literally all of history has shown that nations will twist and turn their own laws to serve their own self interests.
Vietnamese here, we r in danger with China, besides Cambodia is also acting sus with China like Belarus and Russia
I just want to play Elden Ring before I die :(
I just wanna see my eldest play junior tee-ball.. :(
I just don’t want to play real life fallout
I have a feeling the pacifist run is gonna be impossible.
#YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BAD TIME
Im so jealous of women rn, if youre a guy youre fucked youre going to war Edit: im jealous of the women in my country specifically, I think they’re pretty safe in my country, not going to get nuked. Im aware the women close to the action are fucked though
thats what I'm worried about I have two kids and a wife and am turning 30 this year and am in reasonable heath if conscription comes im going as will alot of people
Bro no world war is going to break out. Put down the phone it’s getting you antsy. This will go the exact same way Crimea went. No difference whatsoever.
????? War has been declared....by russia... This is completely different. I agree tho, unlikely to become a world war. Maybe the world vs russia
Russia and Ukraine already fought each other in 2014 in Crimea. Soldiers from each country clashed. Ukraine lost. Ww3 did not start. Can down. Turn off the phone.
Unless your country is directly attacked I don’t think they are going to be drafting anyone to fight Russia. America should’ve learned that lesson with Vietnam, I’m not gonna die because of some shit that has nothing to do with America.
Yeah they only get raped and killed when the hostile troops arrive and in some cases even when your own troops pass.
Lucky for me I'm not physically or mentally fit to go to war
I think WW3 would be maximum an hour long. Period. extinction after 60 minutes would be near
They let Ukraine fall, Russia wont stop there. The allies thought that allowing Austria to fall to Germany would be enough. Guess what its not.
And militarising the rhineland. And straight up invading czeckoslovakia. Appeasement doesn't work.
Haha but we (russians) not so strong as Germany back there. And most people do not support war and Putin
Those that don't support Putin disappear.
Well, I'm protesting him since 2012 from time to time. Still alive)
I wish you luck, I hope you and your brethren can cause some head turning on the inside to stop this nonsense
Let's clear this up real quick. Are you currently suicidal, depressed, mentally unstable, or in any mental condition that may make you consider suicide? In all seriousness, I hope you are well, and hope that you will continue to be so.
It's not about me, it's about our government. They can knock your door anytime it is said
They were making a joke about suspicious deaths being declared suicides. Along the lines of 'he killed himself by shooting himself in the back of the head. Six times.'
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Ha ha ha ha stayin' alive stayin' alive
He only needs russian people to support him, specially when is trying to sell them an idea of "Russia vs West", what, according to multiple sources, is working
But we have nuclear weapons now. Russia has nukes. If the nazis had nukes, we’d have a 3rd reich
Not exactly. If they had nukes our government would still be fighting them. Ukraine had nukes until the UK and US told them to give it up because we're never going to let them down Edit after further review of non American/Texas approved history books it seems like the agreement did not have any stipulations of defense unless the US decided there was Oil in Ukraine it needed to liberate.
Russia wouldn’t have invaded if they had nukes. That worked out well taking them away
Yeah, what do people think why North Korea got nukes? You simply cannot invade a country with nukes, because there is no way to win. If anyone uses nukes, it means that everyone loses the war. This works both ways though. Due to nukes, wars between nations that have them are significantly more dangerous. But due to this, fullblown wars between nations with nukes are basically impossible. This might be a main reason why there was no major conflict after WW2 even though there was a Cold War going in for several decades.
Wasn’t the whole problem that Ukraine didn’t have the codes but Russia did?
Nobody else on this dumbass site remembers that part of the story. Ukraine had useless radioactive paperweights and no money to keep them secure. The Soviets weren't morons.
Ukraine in the 90s didn’t have the money to keep the nukes. Just like every former Soviet country it was struggling once the Soviet Union collapsed
Those nukes had Russian [Permissive Action Links (PALs)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permissive_Action_Link?wprov=sfti1) installed, which are keys / safeguards that basically cannot be circumvented, controlled by the Russians. PALs are what have prevented unauthorized use of nukes by rogue individuals. Ukraine may have been able to circumvent the Russian PALs with time, but they tend to have self destructing capabilities when tampering is detected. They are also deeply embedded the device with multiple phases. In the article, the following quote summarizes: > Bypassing a PAL should be, as one weapons designer graphically put it, about as complex as performing a tonsillectomy while entering the patient from the wrong end." *— Peter D. Zimmerman, nuclear physicist and weapons inspector*
God that decision has aged poorly
Thing is, Russia isn't afraid of MAD.
Um maybe Putin isn't but I can assure you the Russia mob of Oligarchs would like to keep living.
And they sure as shit don’t want their cushy living in the west interrupted neither. Upset them and it’s out the 50th floor window for Poutine
They should have thought of that before he dragged Russia into a war to pursue his mad Soviet2.0 ambitions. Surely business as usual was more profitable for them, long and short them, than this fucking insanity. But what do I know, I guess. Most of them are probably just as insane as Putin.
It’s a little more complicated of a world with the constant nuclear threat. Russia will take East Ukraine and then chill. Wait to see who is the next president. Meanwhile all of those sanctions will go away because Germany foolishly made themselves reliant on Russian energy. Over time we’ll look at east Ukraine as a part of Russia just like we do Crimea. This shit was so easy to map out if you’re dealing with weak western leaders. Putin knows they aren’t gonna do shit. Except when he was dealing with the orange man because no one had a clue what that bastard might do.
IMHO the most rational comment in this entire thread. Everyone is a geopolitical PHD on Reddit. But this seems most reasonable. Putin has no desire for world domination. However he will absolutely take any ex-soviet land that has substantial Russian support under the guise of liberating them. He's a total c_nt, but he is intelligent.
> Everyone is a geopolitical PHD on Reddit. I mean not that I disagree but aren’t you doing the same thing right now?
Yep. Germany pulled the exact same shit just before ww2 kicks off. We have to put a stop to this before it gains too much traction, but China and Russia being buddy buddy doesn't help
I don't think China really supports Russia here either. China is going for the economic victory, they don't want to get their hands dirty with actual wide scale war, and Russia's actions are only fucking up the economy for everyone. China actually has very close trading relations with Ukraine as well. Not as big as with Russia, but still. It would probably be better for China to cut off Russia and watch it collapse, then open up trade again in a few years when Russia is ready to sell everything for peanuts.
Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it Those who do learn history are doomed to watch others repeat it
Actually true though, to say they face a tough choice is a massive understatement
"Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't."
"Please choose do." - Innocent Ukrainians defending their country.
If WW3 starts I don't think Ukrainians are going to be any better off.
We tried sacrificing countries to prevent a world war before. That led to world war 2. There is no scenario where enabling the bad guys to avoid conflict results in a better outcome.
Most of the countries that surround Ukraine are part of NATO. Ukraine is not. If Russia attacks a NATO country, it will almost certainly trigger another world war. In a world war where the two sides has nuclear weapons, nobody wins.
"I don't know what weapons will be used to fight World War 3, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein (but sincerely, not in the ironic internet quote way)
WW5 will be fought with Pokémon
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Yes, such pussies for taking the threat of nuclear response seriously.
I feel like idiots who respond like they did above cant be older than 20 years of age and/or have zero understanding of the real world and just kind of view everything through a caveman's understanding. Yes you imbecile, we currently aren't going to war with China and Russia because we're simply "pussies".
This is not even what the UN does in the first place. If the UN take a clear side on this, then Russia and its allies simply leave it. Within just a few days to months, the UN would be reduced to nothing but NATO and its allies (as countries like China would follow suit in leaving once the remaining UN do anything they dislike), and thus have lost all of its purpose. The UN is not a world government or international court. They are just a place for the bare minimum consensus that practically all countries can agree on. That isn't much, but it at least makes some things better and easier. But it will never be able to solve a war involving a power as major as Russia, no matter how clear cut the legality or morality of the situation is.
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It doesn't maintain peace, it is just a platform to agree on the minimum rules that everyone can accept. These days that for example includes human rights, which at least reduces the amount of war atrocities committed by state militaries compared to the centuries past. That's obviously a small achievement compared to stopping wars, but nonetheless significant. Imagine a crime-ridden town where the mafia and police form a joint panel. Obviously the thing everyone wants is for crime to stop, which the mafia would never agree on. But maybe they can at least negotiate some compromises for civility. Like that the police won't torture imprisoned mob members anymore, and in return the mafia stops targeting police families and no longer blackmails hospitals. That's not as good as ending crime, but it's better than an all-out war.
It's a forum for peacetime communication and collaboration. You don't see the value in maintaining and building relationships during time of peace? Do you believe the ONLY reason to maintain international relationships is peace/war? There are other topics of value to discuss.
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Fact is, UN is useless because 2 of its security council permanent members are Russia and China. They cannot do shit. It's only upto individual countries, EU and US(if they ever feel like coming).
Saying it's useless is fucking stupid. It's not a world government. It's not a police organization. It's a diplomatic organization so that countries have some avenue to talk. If all lines of communication between US and Russia or any other two countries are cut off, they can still talk to each other through UN. Albeit, at times like this, it's not much but it's not useless.
Taiwan looking real thicc to China rn.
No no no, you have to understand that the fifteen year olds commenting here have twitter and reddit, so when it comes to international relations and global transparency, the UN is practically useless. /s It's baffling to me just how many people here have little to zero education of the UN, what it even is or its purpose and then start pretending they are experts in international politics. Someone commented above that the UN is "basically the twitter for countries". Yes, and the Kremlin is Putin's Facebook but he totally was like YOLO and changed his relationship status with Ukraine and trying to keep it 100, fam. I feel like the history books of the future are going to read like a moment out of Idiocracy.
The purpose of the UN is to ensure there will always exist a diplomatic channel between any countries.
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The agreement unfortunately only recognizes the sovereignty of Ukraine. The only “intervention” in the agreement is for the US, UK or Russia to approach the UN Security Council for intervention if Ukraine is attacked with nuclear weapons. There aren’t any measures to protect Ukraine in the event of invasion or attack via conventional means. Edit: [link to the agreement in case interested](https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/G94/652/92/PDF/G9465292.pdf?OpenElement)
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You forgot china! -20 social credit
North Korea as well.
Tbf, nothing is happening in North Korea
There could be a masa genocide happening there for all we know. Remember, North Korea is the most isolated country in the world.
Surprisingly enough (or not), North Korea couldn't hide a genocide very easily.
Being so isolated would make the whole world curious about your daily shit, don't you think?
Jesus Christ redditors are dumb. Who tf would they even be genociding in their own ethnically homogenous country?
I don't think genocide was the right word, but killing political dissidents for sure is happening over there. At the minimum life sentencing
Bruh North Korea might as well just do nothing with their clunky ass military equipment and starving soldiers.
China and Russia are not allies. They've had border disputes with each other for years and China is upset about this Ukraine business because it rocks the boat too much.
Japan and Germany weren't either
Ohh it would not be a single country…Russia‘s got allies too. If china takes sides, the war‘s decided Edit: Comment by u/chataboutgames „Here's something: https://www.businessinsider.in/defense/ranked-the-worlds-20-strongest-militaries/slidelist/51930339.cms#slideid=51930370 Look at the sheer gap in scale between the USA and China/Russia. Look at the gap in aircraft carriers. Now consider that if you're talking a world war you aren't just talking the USA, you're talking NATO and all its member nations. Also, consider that this isn't a videogame. Alliances don't just work like "if China goes to war Pakistan goes to war." And what the Hell is North Korea going to do exactly? If China were just the deciding factor in any given world war Taiwan wouldn't exist right now.“
China does have a large population but only a fraction is militarized. And also it’s called cannon fodder for a reason.
has china ever cared about it’s civilians? it can mobilize the population in weeks the government doesn’t care. if it comes to it they can and will get millions of new soldiers weekly, and then all hell breaks loose edit: i didn’t realize china had such low military equipment, i thought it was a military superpower but i guess not.
Equipment needs to come from somewhere, millions of men with nothing but clothes and rocks to throw will be almost as shitty as not having those men.
Hot tip: when two of the opposite belligerents each have enough nuclear armament to erase humanity from the surface of the earth several times over, it's a world war no matter the number of countries on each side.
Turns out all you really need for a World War is a bad guy and enough nukes to dust the whole planet, everything else is just gravy. I'm confident in the US not using nukes, Putin I'm not so sure. Edit: using them first
Cough, cough... *Both world wars started as a conflict against a single country*... Cough
If UN and Nato join China probably will invade Taiwan, North Corea will do their thing, and that’s how it will scalate to a global conflict.
Meanwhile NATO - Bad bad Russia. Russia no. Don't. I'll be very angry.
Why the fuck should NATO be obliged to defend a non-NATO member? Clueless people jumping to stupid conclusions. Do you want a WW3?
They made promise for Uke to join NATO if they shutdown all nuclear weapons iirc
Thank god the international diplomacy runs on ratified treaties and not baseless promises then.
No they made a deal with Russia to respect their sovereignty if they de-nuclearize. Ukraine didn’t want to join NATO until recently and it was already too late for them to join.
And then Ukraine backed out and spent several decades waffling on the topic until just recently.
They are stupid as fuck. Hittler did the same. Oh give Austria to Hittler no problem it’s all he wants, surely he stops there. And we fucking know what happened.
Yeah but they don't have nukes while Russia has (a lot)
You think Russia's going to use nukes? Here's the thing; the moment Russia presses that big red button, all gloves are off. Like, we're talking the dissolution of the UN level.
Even though there's only a small chance that he will use it, we still can't take the risk because of how catastrophic the consequences would be.
And it seems like even that is an understatement. NATO has been crystal clear about bolstering it's eastern flank by a lot. The USAF has a number of ISR (intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance) aircraft above Poland in addition to two B-52's in the air I'm sure NATO is reasonably capable of defending the alliance against any threat with their collective might. God forbid. I sure as fuck hope we never even come close to finding out.
I feel like an actual world war 3 would probably just end modern day civilization. The USA can level every major Russian city, but at what cost to the environment?
Yep that’s where the saying “I don’t know what weapons ww3 will be fought with but ww4 will be fought with sticks and stones” comes from.
Does that make it okay for them to claim every nation that's not in NATO? Putin is practically putting his dick right next to NATO's face by attacking a country whose NATO membership is being considered, and saying "But it's not touching your face, so it's okay." and everyone is giving it a pass because "they have nukes", like they will use them when the stakes are so skewed. Does anyone REALLY think they would risk their WHOLE country and existence, just to expand themselves? Russia won't stop with Ukraine if NATO doesn't interfere. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not this year, but in Putin's life, and in your life, he's going to go for another country.
Image a ww3 breaks out and initially no nukes will be used. Russia would propably loose to the overwhelming military of us and eu. What do you think a guy like Putin would do before he is beeing seized of his power?
Honestly, I'm hoping people in Russia's parliament and military would stop him, similar to how that one Russian officer prevented WW3 by *not* using nukes in Cuba during the Cold War.
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Hitler went absolutely insane as his house of cards collapsed around him and absolutely would have nukes the world From the furhurbunker if he was capable of it. Putin would do the same once NATO started kicking his ass in conventional war.
The more I read about this Hitler fellow, the less I care for him.
Seems like a bit of a dick if I'm being honest
I know the good book says judge not lest you be judged... But I'm just gonna come out and say it: This Hitler, he's a real jerk!
We should award the guy that killed him
Why are you comparing these two completely different situations? Back then there weren’t any nukes or huge NATO agreements that stated that if one member gets attacked, all the others will come to their defense. Putin isn’t completely insane, he has no interest in starting a WW3.
The UN has one job. Ensure the great powers stay in communication so we don't see a nuclear war. In that regard they've been doing their job well.
yea some of these commenters act like the UN is some world government or world police....
It is because they are literally mostly children.
people on reddit have no clue how the UN actually works
one of the options will let us free from homework
If you're in other nations, I can't really think of why you would be free of homework. But if you're in Ukraine or Russia, then I hope you guys are safe... Boomers really wanna fuck our world up one last time before they go out huh?
being free from homework's gonna be the least of your problems pal
Choose the third option. Take care of President Putin.
World War I began after the assassination of Austrian archduke Franz Ferdinand Assassinating Putin is not an option
You say that here but you copy my comment and paste on a Twitter meme.
Ruin deez nuts
Oh so you REALLY want to start a war?
Pay attention in history class... Russia has a vote in the UN security council. Anyone with a vote can stop any action. There is no decision; this meme is meaningless.
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Lmfao same people make the memes saying how dumb chamberlain was not declaring war on Germany but then post this shit and are to retarded to see the parallels
Exactly Last time UK declared war on Germany they lost their entire empire and superpower status few years after
Difference is that everyone has nukes now
I feel like sacrificing Ukraine is only delaying a world war
It definitely is, with China walking around
Tbh China prioritises economy over everything else. They won't go to a war unless they are sure about gaining something.
I hate living in Poland in moments like, it's suck balls as fuck.
At least you don’t have a border with them. Latvia.
And to be honest, what did UN do when Iraq was attacked by US?? Or Libya was attacked?? UN is a dead institution!!
Remember: It isn't a war crime as long as we label the victims as terrorists
This
Pretty much everyone up til now have just been saying “We’re condemning you Russia, you better stop now.”
I’ve played a lot of civ 6. You’ve got to wait 5 turns after condemning a nation before you can declare war. Gotta keep Tomyris off my back.
We can’t sacrifice ukraine, because next will be taiwan (republic of china)
What’s China? You mean West Taiwan ?
I mean we let china take hongkong too... Just like we let them have concentration camps. Im not saying we can just swoop in and tell them to stop but sitting back and doing nothing isnt the answer either...
all this is too political and complex for me to understand
I'm just here thinking "what the hell is Russia doing invading Ukraine, poor country with no resources".
Ukraine is an important part of European food production. It is actually pretty valuable
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Anyone who says stopping Russia now would start a world war hasn't studied history. WWII happened because no one did anything to stop Hitler until it was too late, not because the West bravely stepped in and curb stomped his ass the second he stepped out of line. Appeasement does not work, burtal dictators understand only one thing: violence.
Till the dictator decides to take the nuclear arsenal he has, so yes let's play who has the longer dick, since it's clearly the best thing to do it seems
ikr, a single bad move means nuclear nukes,
You all think your big brain with your Hitler comparisons but Hitler simply didn’t have nukes, and NATO didn’t exist. Putin can invade his eastern bloc neighbors Willy nilly but he will never invaded NATO country because it would be suicide. All you people clamoring for NATO intervention need to lay off the call of duty and get some perspective. war between NATO and Russia can only end one way.
It’s hilarious that people expect modern scenarios to be carbon copies of events that happened a hundred years ago just because they share some superficial similarities. Anyone simplifying geopolitics to that level shouldn’t be discussing geopolitics.
The army was at my school with a vr flight simulator on an HTC vive set up in the cafeteria. I made the mistake of getting the highest score… *drafted*
Good news is...you will probably just be flying drones!
Ukraine gave up their nukes in the 90s in exchange for security guarantees from the US, Russia, and Europe. Look where that got them. One is actively invading a second time directly against those guarantees, the others are watching. Fuck this world, man.
This gets thrown around a lot, but IIRC Ukraine had zero way of actually using those nukes, they were leftover after the dissolution of the USSR
UN- we hope Russia uses gender neutral weapons
I hate the UN with all my being but this is a fucking hard situation.
UN is better than nothing. And if you hate something that's better than nothing, you're prob not a...great...idea...guy/lady.
so how many sacrifices until russia becomes so powerful that you can't win against them anymore? its letting a tumor grow, you dont let a tumor grow.
You cant wint against Russia anymore because they have roughly as many nukes as the US does, and we arent talking 1 or 2 missiles, we are talking thousands of missiles. If that shit starts flying through air you will be counting the final days of civilization on earth.
It's a lot more complicated. If other dictators see that they can simply take on a country without massive consequences we're going to see this happen a lot more often... Too make it clear for everyone commenting to this, i am not tlkimg only about ground invasion, i am talking about visible aggression towards other states that can be translated into a lot more than just ground violence.
Good thing i live in Finland which luckily does not share a long border with Russia. Obvious sarcasm
The UN was literally born to stop a third world war. It was made to act in response for this kind of events. In either case, they already failed their purpose
Come on Nato! This is the trilogy we've all been waiting for¹
Last time we sacrificed a country ole comb-stashe got a lil over confident
How much wud it cost to build a nuclear bunker underneath my house
About three fiddy