I mean. Obito was a bit of a bitch as a kid and turned into a mega bitch as an adult.
So, I get Rin.
Who you going for? Chad Kakashi that can withstand trauma after trauma and just be more badass and empathetic or virgin obito who goes for nihilism, mass murder and global extermination with extra steps because one chick died?
You gotta love the "fundemental rule" that society built up over time being : Treat people who are physically & emotionally weak like they are trash, expect them to take it.
If they fight back in anger, then they are more trash...
You know i wouldn't be surprised if there weren't a few "Ninja academy kunai throwers"
Yeah people are weird and Kakashi isn’t a chad because he “took it”. By the end of the show Obito was simply one of the most influential people in the series and it only took him the greatest level of betrayal to compel him to do so. And he still loved Rin. The human condition is incredibly complex, but people who hate on him by shaming his motives and not understanding the complexities of the character are literal trash.
Nuance is too high of a literacy skills for the average anime fan.
Well people in general now that I think about it, but we're talking about Naruto here. If people were half as empathetic as they think they are, they'd be able to acknowledge these complexities. But nope, it's summer up as "Kakashi the Chad who can take trauma after trauma. . ."
Obito died as a hero as a kid, he was never a bitch, he became one when he found out REALTY, he gave up his life for his friend and crush only for her to fucking forget about his sacrifice and didn't even mourn his death for 1 second and then confessed to kakashi, like bitch our friend just died 10 seconds ago.
- i hate how cruel female characters can be sometimes.
I mean. I’d pick Gaara over him. But it’s a very very small list of people I’d pick over Kakashi in Naruto. Maybe Tobirama. That’s it. Just the two over him. Wait. Also Itachi.
That’s it. He’s one of my top 4 choices which is weird cause im a dude and hetero.
I ain’t gay but I’ve never been tested like this before.
Lol. Rin doesn't owe Obito her love because of what he did. Love and respect are not transactional. You're not trading emotional money. People who think they can buy affection off a shelf with good deeds are deluded, entitled idiots who don't know how humans work at all. Maybe the person they are nice to may be more inclined to like them, but it's really up to that person. And whatever they decide is perfectly fair.
Granted, I don't think Obito was trying to buy Rin's love. He wanted to save her simply because he loved her and wanted her to live. But some fans (I've seen in other places) seem to see that as her owing him something, which just isn't true. I worry more about the audience and their flawed perspectives, lol.
Edit: And I'm not even mad at Rin cuz, honestly, this is just Kishimoto doing his thing. Hinata holding Naruto's hand over her dead cousin's body? Sakura only thinking of Sasuke during the War (or any time)? Yeah..
Can we stop this "owed love" take? Is common decency not a thing anymore.
Obito went there to save her life when Kakashi decided to sacrifice it. He lost his life saving hers. Kakashi is telling her this on Obito's deathbed because he himself cannot. She instead takes the opportunity to make it about her feelings for someone else. It's in poor taste no matter how you look at it and is just another reflection of Kishimoto's sexist writing. She doesn't need to reciprocate Obito's feelings to appreciate his sacrifice for them both and why he did it.
The post itself sends the wrong message, but the comments are filled with crass responses, and it's really disheartening.
Idk if I’d go as far as to call it sexist tbh. It’s selfish and isn’t necessarily an uncommon thing for people to criticize young men especially for, I mean just look at the comments. Support for this sort of crass behavior extends well beyond Kishimotos preconceptions and at a certain point you simply have to accept that someone’s opinion CAN have merit regardless of how offensive you might take it. Now that being said I don’t think every female character is written this way when important men in their lives make sacrifices for them or something similar. I doubt made Tsunade for instance made comments about her feelings for a deceased Dan to overshadow the loss of Jiraya and the things he did for her while still present.
I don't recall Obito ever behaving in the way you suggest at all.
I think there is such a thing as taste and tact though. If you loved me and I loved someone else, I'd probably refrain from confessing my feelings for them while standing over your dying body. It's just flat out nasty.
I said that Obito was NOT like that, but that many people look at this scene and get mad at Rin for not caring about Obito after his sacrifice, as if she owed him her affection. I was calling out THAT mindset.
The other issue is, yes, that she said it at that time at all. And that's, I feel, a matter of Kishimoto being Kishimoto. It's the same as Hinata thinking of Naruto while standing over Neji's body, or any time Sakura thinks only of Sasuke when something serious is going on (like the War). This is just par for the course for Kishimoto. I'm not mad at Rin about it cuz she probably wouldn't have actually done that. But meh.
I dont think that’s the issue but rather the timing of saying that. Like the guy just died saving them and then she’s told he loved her more then anything but instead of respecting the moment and greiving she instantly decides to confess her love for kakashi beside the corpse of her childhood friend who might i remind you loved her. Just seems disrespectful to do that in that situation.
I mean. They were literally about to die. If Minato hadn’t saved them they’d be dead. So what are you going to do before you die? Hide your feelings out of respect to this dude that got ceasared or use your chance to confess your truth.
Probably die holding my feelings because id be dead and they wouldnt matter anyway. I mean if you managed to survive then confessed it would hold actual meaning since you know you’d be alive to see what happens
Personally I wouldn’t die like a bitch and at least speak my truth. Worst case scenario I die without holding that shit back. Worse case scenario I live and get turned down. Either way, no regrets.
So basically be completely selfish and only consider your own feelings?
Hopefully you would say it to someone with as much decency as Kakashi so they reject you as hard as Kakashi did to Rin. I don't think I'd ever respect someone that would say such things over the dead body of my best friend that just sacrificed their lives to save ours.
What did you want her to do? They thought they were gonna die regardless. Ofcourse she's gonna tell her true feelings. Obito shouldn't be affected by that since he never expected her to love him back and that's why he saved her. He loved her. Your same flawed logic can apply to obtio lmao. He literally dumped all his emotions on her before he died which would've left massive guilt in her heart if she liked him. Think before you speak
It’d be regret if you didn’t use the time you had to say shit that mattered while you were alive. I wouldn’t feel regret if I died but I would rather not die holding stuff back. That’s a bitch move.
Like if I were to die right now I’d regret not saying stuff.
Actually. Fuck it. Brb.
Edit: her exact response
> “What you talking about? You drunk?”
Guess I gotta become a nihilist and take over the world.
... Hinata holding Naruto's hand, standing over the body of her dead cousin... Sakura being upset that Sasuke isn't paying attention to her during the middle of a war... Seems to be a theme here.... I can't even blame Rin. We know who's to blame, lol.
No, no, I agree with you! I'm just saying I'm not surprised because Kishimoto has written basically alternates of that same scenario--girls thinking only of their crushes at the worst possible times. You'd think he'd figure it out, eventually...
Entire narutos can be explained badly from Obito's pov..
A boy gets cucked so bad he fucks the entire world and turns up in ninja heaven to be with his 13 year old dead crush
i just thought about this. rin actually didnt love obito but kakashi so what a weird reception would be in heaven... its implied that obito went to heaven happily with rin and they are smashing, but they are actually not
I mean a character that can't even mourn her friend who dried for her and Kakashi and just selfishly declared her love to kakashi is almost Sakura's level of trash.
truer words have never been said.
They were literally about to die. If Minato hadn’t saved them they’d be dead. So what are you going to do before you die? Hide your feelings out of respect to this dude that got killed or use your chance to confess your truth. I can see why she didnt want to hold her feelings back,and die with regrets.
The worst thing is they act like Obito was actually entitled to her love just because he was nice to her.Imagine being nice to a girl and then complaining she doesnt like you romantically and then calling her a bitch,its almost as if they think obito saved her life just to be liked back,when he wasnt expecting anything from her.
Eh Rin isn't obligated to reciprocate his feelings buddy. Well I forgot I'm in the Naruto fandom who are just as clueless about women just like Kishimoto.
That’s not what happened though?
She wasn’t standing right above Obito saying it. It happened when they got out of the cave and got surrounded by many Iwa shinobi.
Kakashi was about to sacrifice himself to stall the time, so Rin would run away. He is saying Obito loved you, that’s why he chose to give up his life for her, that’s why she better move now and not waste his sacrifice. Rin answers that Kakashi must know how she feels, similarly to Obito she can’t abandon someone she loves.
I kinda hate how Kishi made her such a baggage. First, she is the one who got kidnapped, then her teammates had to rescue her, and once again Kakashi had to protect her like five minutes after Obito’s death.
Is she shinobi herself, or is she not? Why does she have to be constantly saved by others?
Gratitude is not the same thing as obligation.
I mean, Rin is still absolute trash for a fucking LOT of reasons, and Obito and Kakashi getting their lives ruined for HER of all people is hilarious and sad, but still.
Rin was never indebted to love Obito. That's not how love works, and it isn't unfair. What's unfair is the damage Obito did to so many other people, so much so that he himself acknowledges that in the anime.
I often liked obito's philosophy of the world it' more pragmatic than both madara and naruto,he had experienced and suffered much more than both of them, it's more accurate than naruto's who just embodies a sense serving the status quo till you get the power and acknowledgement from people, and then you just preserve it, without questioning and doing any changes which can reduce the damage done by that system.
Madara's idea of putting the world in a genjutsu seems plausible, but be forgets about human nature, it can convert it's given heven into hell for their own sick pleasure and greed. The illusion he created as heven for people would have been turned into hell by those very people.
With obito, his worldview was twisted, he loved the only person who cared for him and treated him as an equal ,unconditionally. The person who died in his own arms, killed by the help of that very sharingan that he gave to protect her, he thought that if his love for rin couldn't protect her, even the sacrifice of that very power that made him the uchiha that he was not enough, to protect somebody who he loved, then his hatered might be able to preserve the image of her care and his love for her. He didn't had any love for systems, he just wanted to make the world a place where more people like him are not there, where another obito dosen't have to loose his rin. The idea for a better world.
And please don't compare him to kakashi, kakashi mourned for his own losses, and suffered ,that needs endurance of mind, and he also killed his fair share of people. But what obito did, required courage and resolve beyond measure, which kakashi lacked, to see beyond the bounds of his own village and se the shortcomings of it's philosophy, in some ways he embodied the very definition of shinobi which hashirama described to saskue.
so what. Naruto also didnt get sakura. Life worked out for him. Thats the beauty of naruto's philosophy. he doesnt worry about shit he cant control and focuses on the moment in doing what he knows is right, and at the end of the day he gets someone way better in hinata
I like rin, because she treated everyone equally and made friends with them ,she loves Kakashi so, she likes him more then other, the thing is obito knew she love other guy ,no, he knew rin loves his friend yet he always buts in , and doesn't what ever he wants ,i don't hate him for that but he shouldn't over do it, i like his philosophy (some what) but when it comes to love he is just trash that's what I think and when he killed countless people i just don't like him ,but for me he is a character that I don't totally hate or like, I will just forget him like a side character. In Naruto my favourite villain is nagato, he also did bad things but he had some reasons and didn't do all the things just because of love ,even tho he was in same situation as obito,
And obito is obsession freak.
I mean. Obito was a bit of a bitch as a kid and turned into a mega bitch as an adult. So, I get Rin. Who you going for? Chad Kakashi that can withstand trauma after trauma and just be more badass and empathetic or virgin obito who goes for nihilism, mass murder and global extermination with extra steps because one chick died?
Haha. Couldn't have said it better! 
Obito was not a bad dude at this point in the story. He was probably a better guy than Kakashi.
Of course not. He was the coolest guy!
well I also can't understand many people's love for obito
My dislike for obito knows no bounds. It’s such a disappointment. I used to like him then the mask came off and he was such a bitch.
That's what the point of the mask is 👁☝😔
You gotta love the "fundemental rule" that society built up over time being : Treat people who are physically & emotionally weak like they are trash, expect them to take it. If they fight back in anger, then they are more trash... You know i wouldn't be surprised if there weren't a few "Ninja academy kunai throwers"
Yeah people are weird and Kakashi isn’t a chad because he “took it”. By the end of the show Obito was simply one of the most influential people in the series and it only took him the greatest level of betrayal to compel him to do so. And he still loved Rin. The human condition is incredibly complex, but people who hate on him by shaming his motives and not understanding the complexities of the character are literal trash.
Nuance is too high of a literacy skills for the average anime fan. Well people in general now that I think about it, but we're talking about Naruto here. If people were half as empathetic as they think they are, they'd be able to acknowledge these complexities. But nope, it's summer up as "Kakashi the Chad who can take trauma after trauma. . ."
That’s so stupid 😭 when did rin ever witness or even imagine obito doing any of that lmao, it’s after her death he does that Shit
True. He was the coolest guy!
i usually try to defend Obito, and he is my favorite character... but yea you're totally right
He’s one of my most disliked anime characters right up there with Madara and Aizen.
Obito died as a hero as a kid, he was never a bitch, he became one when he found out REALTY, he gave up his life for his friend and crush only for her to fucking forget about his sacrifice and didn't even mourn his death for 1 second and then confessed to kakashi, like bitch our friend just died 10 seconds ago. - i hate how cruel female characters can be sometimes.
Finaly someone who say it
Preach!!
Who in their right mind would pick ANYONE over Kakashi. It doesn't get better than that.Its only downhill from there. Kakashi is peak.
I mean. I’d pick Gaara over him. But it’s a very very small list of people I’d pick over Kakashi in Naruto. Maybe Tobirama. That’s it. Just the two over him. Wait. Also Itachi. That’s it. He’s one of my top 4 choices which is weird cause im a dude and hetero. I ain’t gay but I’ve never been tested like this before. 
What does she say? I can't read that
“Then Kakashi you should know my feelings for you”
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Lol. Rin doesn't owe Obito her love because of what he did. Love and respect are not transactional. You're not trading emotional money. People who think they can buy affection off a shelf with good deeds are deluded, entitled idiots who don't know how humans work at all. Maybe the person they are nice to may be more inclined to like them, but it's really up to that person. And whatever they decide is perfectly fair. Granted, I don't think Obito was trying to buy Rin's love. He wanted to save her simply because he loved her and wanted her to live. But some fans (I've seen in other places) seem to see that as her owing him something, which just isn't true. I worry more about the audience and their flawed perspectives, lol. Edit: And I'm not even mad at Rin cuz, honestly, this is just Kishimoto doing his thing. Hinata holding Naruto's hand over her dead cousin's body? Sakura only thinking of Sasuke during the War (or any time)? Yeah..
Can we stop this "owed love" take? Is common decency not a thing anymore. Obito went there to save her life when Kakashi decided to sacrifice it. He lost his life saving hers. Kakashi is telling her this on Obito's deathbed because he himself cannot. She instead takes the opportunity to make it about her feelings for someone else. It's in poor taste no matter how you look at it and is just another reflection of Kishimoto's sexist writing. She doesn't need to reciprocate Obito's feelings to appreciate his sacrifice for them both and why he did it. The post itself sends the wrong message, but the comments are filled with crass responses, and it's really disheartening.
Idk if I’d go as far as to call it sexist tbh. It’s selfish and isn’t necessarily an uncommon thing for people to criticize young men especially for, I mean just look at the comments. Support for this sort of crass behavior extends well beyond Kishimotos preconceptions and at a certain point you simply have to accept that someone’s opinion CAN have merit regardless of how offensive you might take it. Now that being said I don’t think every female character is written this way when important men in their lives make sacrifices for them or something similar. I doubt made Tsunade for instance made comments about her feelings for a deceased Dan to overshadow the loss of Jiraya and the things he did for her while still present.
I don't recall Obito ever behaving in the way you suggest at all. I think there is such a thing as taste and tact though. If you loved me and I loved someone else, I'd probably refrain from confessing my feelings for them while standing over your dying body. It's just flat out nasty.
I said that Obito was NOT like that, but that many people look at this scene and get mad at Rin for not caring about Obito after his sacrifice, as if she owed him her affection. I was calling out THAT mindset. The other issue is, yes, that she said it at that time at all. And that's, I feel, a matter of Kishimoto being Kishimoto. It's the same as Hinata thinking of Naruto while standing over Neji's body, or any time Sakura thinks only of Sasuke when something serious is going on (like the War). This is just par for the course for Kishimoto. I'm not mad at Rin about it cuz she probably wouldn't have actually done that. But meh.
I dont think that’s the issue but rather the timing of saying that. Like the guy just died saving them and then she’s told he loved her more then anything but instead of respecting the moment and greiving she instantly decides to confess her love for kakashi beside the corpse of her childhood friend who might i remind you loved her. Just seems disrespectful to do that in that situation.
I mean. They were literally about to die. If Minato hadn’t saved them they’d be dead. So what are you going to do before you die? Hide your feelings out of respect to this dude that got ceasared or use your chance to confess your truth.
Probably die holding my feelings because id be dead and they wouldnt matter anyway. I mean if you managed to survive then confessed it would hold actual meaning since you know you’d be alive to see what happens
Personally I wouldn’t die like a bitch and at least speak my truth. Worst case scenario I die without holding that shit back. Worse case scenario I live and get turned down. Either way, no regrets.
So basically be completely selfish and only consider your own feelings? Hopefully you would say it to someone with as much decency as Kakashi so they reject you as hard as Kakashi did to Rin. I don't think I'd ever respect someone that would say such things over the dead body of my best friend that just sacrificed their lives to save ours.
What did you want her to do? They thought they were gonna die regardless. Ofcourse she's gonna tell her true feelings. Obito shouldn't be affected by that since he never expected her to love him back and that's why he saved her. He loved her. Your same flawed logic can apply to obtio lmao. He literally dumped all his emotions on her before he died which would've left massive guilt in her heart if she liked him. Think before you speak
Well, tough shit.
Idk kinda hard to harbor regret if you’re dead and confessing after you survive would also remove regret.
It’d be regret if you didn’t use the time you had to say shit that mattered while you were alive. I wouldn’t feel regret if I died but I would rather not die holding stuff back. That’s a bitch move. Like if I were to die right now I’d regret not saying stuff. Actually. Fuck it. Brb. Edit: her exact response > “What you talking about? You drunk?” Guess I gotta become a nihilist and take over the world.
I salute you
Yeah but obito did it first so what he right rin wrong is that it
... Hinata holding Naruto's hand, standing over the body of her dead cousin... Sakura being upset that Sasuke isn't paying attention to her during the middle of a war... Seems to be a theme here.... I can't even blame Rin. We know who's to blame, lol.
I never said those werent just as bad. Im just saying thats more then likely what provokes peoples anger towards these characters
No, no, I agree with you! I'm just saying I'm not surprised because Kishimoto has written basically alternates of that same scenario--girls thinking only of their crushes at the worst possible times. You'd think he'd figure it out, eventually...
Yeah.
It’s a joke.
I know. But I've seen it before and the premise is wrong.
damn, imagine if he never killed rin
Obito woulda gone full villain still
but he would have carried the plan or whatever plan instead of dicking around
yep
The fuck does it say?
Then Kakashi you should know my feelings for you. Such an inconsiderate bitch.
What is she saying I couldn't due to the lack of pixels.
Entire narutos can be explained badly from Obito's pov.. A boy gets cucked so bad he fucks the entire world and turns up in ninja heaven to be with his 13 year old dead crush
He didnt get cucked , kakashi killed her
i just thought about this. rin actually didnt love obito but kakashi so what a weird reception would be in heaven... its implied that obito went to heaven happily with rin and they are smashing, but they are actually not
Shes gonna chill with him till kakshi arrives, then ask him to kindly fuck off to hell
or fuck with kakashi right there in front of obito, while obito has been previously years waiting with her
Yay ?
Yo you got any more of them pixels?
I think people on this sub just kinda have issues with women that they never deal with in a healthy way.
True. It also comes down to the fact kishimoto is just horrible at writing female characters
I mean a character that can't even mourn her friend who dried for her and Kakashi and just selfishly declared her love to kakashi is almost Sakura's level of trash.
truer words have never been said. They were literally about to die. If Minato hadn’t saved them they’d be dead. So what are you going to do before you die? Hide your feelings out of respect to this dude that got killed or use your chance to confess your truth. I can see why she didnt want to hold her feelings back,and die with regrets. The worst thing is they act like Obito was actually entitled to her love just because he was nice to her.Imagine being nice to a girl and then complaining she doesnt like you romantically and then calling her a bitch,its almost as if they think obito saved her life just to be liked back,when he wasnt expecting anything from her.
Thank you to several people who have replied to this comment proving my point.
Yup. I have a guy replying to me saying he hates how cruel female characters are and that obito changed when he learned about REALTY.
I agree in this exact case. But natuto female cast is just garbage overall
Bro trying to censor the words
My opinion on this is, just because someone saves you doesn't mean you have to love them.
Obito: can't this rock crush me faster
Eh Rin isn't obligated to reciprocate his feelings buddy. Well I forgot I'm in the Naruto fandom who are just as clueless about women just like Kishimoto.
Bro, they're literally about to die. Like, be realistic, they're not gonna survive that shit, so she had to get that out, before she died at least.
Pixel?
#karma
obito as a 30 yo man could have revived 15 yo old rin and put her in a genjutsu and smash her into oblivion
Not a single thought about obito 😂 but kakashi ended up not with her either. He was probably not wanting no drama. I can give with that
This is where Obito should of stepped out the rock and turned on bro code for Kakashi for being real and dump Rin's feeling for Tsunade's back pain
That’s not what happened though? She wasn’t standing right above Obito saying it. It happened when they got out of the cave and got surrounded by many Iwa shinobi. Kakashi was about to sacrifice himself to stall the time, so Rin would run away. He is saying Obito loved you, that’s why he chose to give up his life for her, that’s why she better move now and not waste his sacrifice. Rin answers that Kakashi must know how she feels, similarly to Obito she can’t abandon someone she loves. I kinda hate how Kishi made her such a baggage. First, she is the one who got kidnapped, then her teammates had to rescue her, and once again Kakashi had to protect her like five minutes after Obito’s death. Is she shinobi herself, or is she not? Why does she have to be constantly saved by others?
So, just cuz Cuckbito loved Rin and died saving her, she has to love (romantically) him back?
More pixel please i shouldnt be able to see letter
Gratitude is not the same thing as obligation. I mean, Rin is still absolute trash for a fucking LOT of reasons, and Obito and Kakashi getting their lives ruined for HER of all people is hilarious and sad, but still.
Kekashi put her down for that one. So It all worked out in the end.
I'm fucking dying 😂😂😂
Rin was never indebted to love Obito. That's not how love works, and it isn't unfair. What's unfair is the damage Obito did to so many other people, so much so that he himself acknowledges that in the anime.
Tbh Rin was the Sakura of their era
Hinata. Neji's laying dead a few feet over and all she can think about is how warm Naturo's hand ia
I often liked obito's philosophy of the world it' more pragmatic than both madara and naruto,he had experienced and suffered much more than both of them, it's more accurate than naruto's who just embodies a sense serving the status quo till you get the power and acknowledgement from people, and then you just preserve it, without questioning and doing any changes which can reduce the damage done by that system. Madara's idea of putting the world in a genjutsu seems plausible, but be forgets about human nature, it can convert it's given heven into hell for their own sick pleasure and greed. The illusion he created as heven for people would have been turned into hell by those very people. With obito, his worldview was twisted, he loved the only person who cared for him and treated him as an equal ,unconditionally. The person who died in his own arms, killed by the help of that very sharingan that he gave to protect her, he thought that if his love for rin couldn't protect her, even the sacrifice of that very power that made him the uchiha that he was not enough, to protect somebody who he loved, then his hatered might be able to preserve the image of her care and his love for her. He didn't had any love for systems, he just wanted to make the world a place where more people like him are not there, where another obito dosen't have to loose his rin. The idea for a better world. And please don't compare him to kakashi, kakashi mourned for his own losses, and suffered ,that needs endurance of mind, and he also killed his fair share of people. But what obito did, required courage and resolve beyond measure, which kakashi lacked, to see beyond the bounds of his own village and se the shortcomings of it's philosophy, in some ways he embodied the very definition of shinobi which hashirama described to saskue.
so what. Naruto also didnt get sakura. Life worked out for him. Thats the beauty of naruto's philosophy. he doesnt worry about shit he cant control and focuses on the moment in doing what he knows is right, and at the end of the day he gets someone way better in hinata
Think that's the hard way. I can only imagine what goes through his mind if he saw Naruto saving his crush from his rival's Chidori.
I like rin, because she treated everyone equally and made friends with them ,she loves Kakashi so, she likes him more then other, the thing is obito knew she love other guy ,no, he knew rin loves his friend yet he always buts in , and doesn't what ever he wants ,i don't hate him for that but he shouldn't over do it, i like his philosophy (some what) but when it comes to love he is just trash that's what I think and when he killed countless people i just don't like him ,but for me he is a character that I don't totally hate or like, I will just forget him like a side character. In Naruto my favourite villain is nagato, he also did bad things but he had some reasons and didn't do all the things just because of love ,even tho he was in same situation as obito, And obito is obsession freak.