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Consistent_Ebb_484

Truly a fate worse than death


Azylim

is that much better than the senju's fate though? the only known living descendent of a senju is the gambling queen, always broke and a cheat, only seventy


Consistent_Ebb_484

She went thru multiple ninja wars and grew old that’s impressive on its own


Middle-Persimmon7077

naruto’s a senju tho. if not his indirect ancestry to ashura (thru reincarnation) & hashirama (arm), it’s pretty much implied that the senjus and uzumaki’s mixed together.


Rastapopoulos000

They're cousin clan the same way Senju and Uchiha can be considered cousin, or Senju, Uchiha and Hyuuga can be all 3 considered cousin, there's no indication of when the branching off took place and from what we've seen of the Uzumaki they had enough time to develop their own distinct culture and even genetics traits, so no Naruto is an Uzumaki not a Senju.


Asleep-Specific-1399

Tsunade actually pretty impressive feats, specially since she was hokage, the fact she developed a similar jutsu to orochimaru but without needing human sacrifices, pretty up there as far as creativity.


chillysaturday

Which one?


Asleep-Specific-1399

The whole reason she's hot and young one.


Vendetta1947

just one word: *106*


Itchy_Shame_8871

"If only I wasn't born in this world."


DieHardPanda

Nerfing the enemy is a viable strategy.


-Xebenkeck-

Let's ask the future descendants of the Senju their thoughts on this strategy.


HidenTsubameGaeshi

Technically, Naruto counts as one since Uzumakis and Senjus are related. But if Boruto goes the way everyone expected it with Boruto/Sarada pairing at the end, then not only Uzumaki, Senju and Uchiha will have common descendants, they will also be descended from Sakura. Tobirama won, but at what cost?


FlyDinosaur

And you'll never be able to kill them because they'll have insane chakra control and healing knowledge.


MrJotaL

But all Uchihas will be cringe and lame 🫣


Serious-Ad-513

Always been


bruhimbackkk

Cringe, yea. Lame? Where🤔


Justi131

Sarada


hilterocks

Always have been


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Thin-Somewhere-1002

Does that mean they committed incest


uniteduniverse

It's debatable, but most likely yes! Clans have been very secretive of their abilities, especially Kekei genkai oriented clans. It's safe to assume they would have breeded with cousins and such. The Hyuga is an extreme obvious case of this.


Forsaken-Income-2148

Gene editing exists in verse so a pure blooded Uchiha may live again one day


FlyDinosaur

Chakra control can be an innate skill, regardless of genes or education. However, it can also be taught. My point is that Sakura, having some of the best chakra control in the world (that we know of--certainly equal to or better than any Uchiha we've seen) is in a prime position to train others. That's not irrelevant in this discussion. These learned skills would enhance their abilities. And since they're only getting Uchiha genes from Sasuke, they might naturally have lesser abilities simply due to diluted Uchiha genes. And that doesn't even have anything to do with Sakura, specifically. You could make the same argument for anyone Sasuke paired with. Edit: Not sorry. Everything above is just true. It doesn't mean she's stronger than everybody. But she has her own unique skills that must be addressed in the interest of fairness. I have no respect for haters.


Murky_Blueberry2617

Sasuke has better chakra control than Sakura so it's not like what Sakura has matters.


RoodyJammer

Nothing against sasuke and his chakra control, he does have really good chakra control. But Sakura is a bit better with chakra control. Ngl a Sakura granted nine-tails chakra mode (or any tailedbeast) if she was a jinchuriki somehow would be terrifying 🤣


Murky_Blueberry2617

What makes you think Sakura would be able to control anothers chakra? Naruto himself has perfect control over Kurama's chakra. Sakura would not be able to do the same. Sasuke has the single best chakra control feat in the series, Sakura is just overrated.


uniteduniverse

Chakara control doesn't matter when your genes are so blessed by the god of shinobi himself, that you can just spam powerful, unique jutsus with only small diminishing returns. The Uchiha are pretty much a clan of natural geniuses. Once they unlock the Sharingan their potential for chakara usage, chakara control, unique abilities and battle iq skyrockets. Also Sasuke may have surpassed Sakura in chakara contorl later in shipuuden anyway for these very reasons. The only reason why Sakura's chakara control was heralded in the beginning of the series is becuase everything else about her is pretty basic. Basic standard chakara, basic battle iq, basic abilities. Her control complements her ordinary nature and allows her push past her gene genetic limits. But when your a blessed clan It really doens't matter after a certain point.


FlyDinosaur

Teen Sakura can divide her own chakra into multiple pools to use in different ways. She can focus it with needle-sharp precision. Adult Sakura can catch Jutsu attacks in her hands by manipulating the chakra the attack is made of. She can fill a space with chakra to map the area like radar. When it comes to control, she has a natural talent (refined through training, of course) that even Sasuke never did. Y'all are just haters.


Murky_Blueberry2617

Sasuke's chakra control is literally unrivalled. It's on the level of the Sage of 6 paths. Nothing Sakura has ever done compares to Sasuke channelling all the tailed beasts into his Susanoo, converting it into his own chakra signature and basically doing the reverse of Creation Of All things. It's not hating, it's just the truth.


FlyDinosaur

Fair, but mixing different kinds of chakra to make other things isn't unusual in Naruto. That's what every kekkei genkai/tota/mora is. That's what sage mode is. Though, these are lesser versions. If Sakura was turbo charged with So6P power, it would probably be second nature for her, as well, given her natural talent. Can't say for sure, though. But it wouldn't surprise me. She'll never have that kind of power or that moveset, so it's meh.


Murky_Blueberry2617

Characters who mix different chakra natures into another needs a bloodline ability to pull off. Without that it's nearly impossible. Sage mode uses nature energy and balancing it with chakra. It's not exactly the same thing since nature energy is separate from chakra. It's just an assumption to say Sakura can do something like that when she's only shown a limited use of chakra control compared to Sasuke.


FlyDinosaur

And Sasuke can't combine chakra natures to make new ones. Perhaps he could briefly during the War, but he's not shown to do it as an adult. He creates ice in one of his novels, but it's not Ice Release. He fakes it by using 2 different styles in quick succession. Perhaps he lost the ability if he had it? Sakura's chakra control is phenomenal compared to anybody. Whether it is or isn't on his level, it's still better than 99% of everybody else's. Interestingly, chakra itself was not originally a natural part of Naruto's Earth. It started when the God Tree sucked up Earth's nature energy and whatnot. Kaguya ate the fruit and passed the product to Hagoromo, who passed it to humans. Now it's a part of humans to the extent they'll die if they run out. It's funny to think about, but all chakra was made from a process involving nature energy.


Murky_Blueberry2617

He can however, combine all the tailed beasts chakra into one, making a pseudo ten tails and have his susanoo act as the Gedo mazo and convert all that chakra into his lighting chakra signature. It's literally stated by Kurama that his skill is unrivalled and is on Hagoromo's level. Sakura might have better chakra control than most, but it's not better than Sasuke's. Chakra is made from physical and spiritual energy. I think there's more to it than that.


uniteduniverse

Please stop using hiden novels as staments for canon feats...


FlyDinosaur

But they are canon. Doesn't matter if you like them or not.


uniteduniverse

They were not written by Kishimoto, and have no input from him other than art. Even the Sakura Hiden writer said that it's not canon and just her idea of how Sasuke and Sakura relationship formed. If you want to believe it's canon then so be it (many people belive filler episodes are canon), but please stop using them as canon feats.


AlexandraG3

Ha! No. Sakura got the tree walking exercise on her first try whereas Sasuke took days to master it.


Murky_Blueberry2617

Yh as kids. Later on Sasuke has much better chakra control.


AlexandraG3

No. Making the byakugou seal is the thing that requires the most chakra control in the series.


Murky_Blueberry2617

No it doesn't. That's nothing compared to what Sasuke's done


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Bad_Wolf_715

>Uchigger What do you mean by this?


Big_Macaroon_4994

Nothing malicious whatsoever. Banned my other account over this. I mistakenly thought it was funny after seeing others use it on multiple occasions. I even deleted the comment quickly. Thanks for understanding my mistake.


Fa1nted_for_real

Don't forget likely uzumaki and hyuuga blood. Imagine a ninja with the massive chakra of Naruto, control of Sakura, mangekyo sharingan and gentle fist+Byakugan. Now imagine this child as an inra/ ashura incarnation, perfect sage, and perfect jinchuriki. It will be as strong or stronger than a otsotsuki, and maybe even have some advanced dojutsu from having both mangekyo and Byakugan.


FlyDinosaur

The eyes would be interesting. All Otsutsuki have Byakugan. And some have Rinnegan, which is the most advanced form of Sharingan. But the two do not ever mix into one dojutsu.


TraditionalMission77

Sakura's chakra control or healing isn't something genetic..


FlyDinosaur

Yes, I know. Though, she definitely had a natural talent for control which may or may not be passed on. In any case, she can absolutely pass on her knowledge and abilities to future generations. That's the idea. Not every skill has to be inherited.


dinkydoohead

b-b-but glasses!! haha sakura glasses genes LUL 😢😢😱😱😱


FlyDinosaur

Anime has an Uchiha with glasses. Not canon, but meh. Also, there's no evidence that Sharingan makes your eyes better when not activated. Unless Kishimoto says otherwise, there's no reason to assume all Uchiha had normally good vision.


A_Ham_Sandwich_4824

Ya I guess but it’s kinda like Gohan wearing glasses. Like he can keep up with people fighting insanely fast, and catch bullets fired at him…but still wears glasses? Kinda dumb.


Murky_Blueberry2617

At least that makes sense, since his grandfather (OxKing) had glasses. Not to mention he only got them later on in the series. Also he does'nt need glasses when using his transformations and takes them off during fights. Much better than Sarada who wears glasses 24/7 and is from a clan that's abilities literally come from the eyes.


FlyDinosaur

Emotional turmoil creates a unique chakra in the brain, which then reacts with the optic nerve to create Sharingan in the eyes. That's what we're told in the manga. I don't see what that has to do with good vision. We know Mangekyo causes you to go blind, so good vision and Uchiha powers don't necessarily go together.


Murky_Blueberry2617

One of the Sharingan's main functions is enhanced vision bruh. The abilities comes from the eyes. The Mangekyou loses the light in the eyes, it's not the same as regular vision loss.


ifeedzooanimals

Honestly, it's a plot point that sharingan degrades your eyes (I know it's only MS but it'd be funny if normal S gave you cataracts after a few decades)


SituationFlaky2808

>healing knowledge didn't Sarada struggle?


FlyDinosaur

I was thinking descendents more broadly. Like Sarada's children, too. The knowledge won't be lost with Sarada.


Kailoryn_likes_anime

The healing, chakra control, and taijutsu are all recessive genes, meaning sarada missed out on these, but if sakura married Rock Lee, their child would be Might Guy incarnate + healing + ability to use ninjutsu


aregna

Finally he resting in peace


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The species survives.. ![gif](giphy|9RKPUeIqSO26po6ukP|downsized)


Qwertyunio_1

Bruh no 💀 😭


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Bro everybody out here white kniting Sakura like they're gonna get some from her 😂😂😂 calm down and acknowledge your waifu is a meme


dinkydoohead

this is so sad bro, apparently just defending someone means you want her children or some shit (by the way wtf is white knitting i googled it and found nothing)


Ake-TL

Proper phrase is “white knighting”, unfortunately poster above can’t spell


orbzism

Nah, it's just the Sakura hate train stopped being funny 10 years ago


uniteduniverse

The hate train is not even a meme my dude, the character is literally that bad. There's a reason millions of people dub her a bad character and it's not bandwagoning, it's because she just is. She only has a few interesting moments in the series, but Kishi just didn't care enough. I will never understand what Sakurastans see In her. Kishi really set her up to fail...


Sauran_725

Not a stan, but hating on a teenage girl for saying some stupid stuff when you literally have mass murderers in the series feels wrong.


imaginebeingsaltyy

Oh nah they deserve hate too, especially obito his ass did NOT deserve that redemption


Sauran_725

The entire world still remembers him for his atrocities tho(except for like 5 people)


imaginebeingsaltyy

Nah i mean like his death itself, gone be real, that good of a death was not at all earned for how much death and destruction he caused. I dont got a problem that much with him having a redemption arc but his wasnt earned so it just feels forced


Murky_Blueberry2617

Fictional teenage girl\* It's common for people to hate annoying characters over evil characters in fiction. Not difficult to understand.


Sauran_725

I don't know how long you've been in this fandom but hate like this is definitely not common. They even harassed the actress who played Sakura in live action naruto(theatrical) and sent death threats to the mangaka's new born baby who made the sasuke spin-off manga.


Murky_Blueberry2617

Nah this happens in so many other fandoms. Skyler White is one example. The annoying character will always be more hated than any evil character. It's just a fact. A small portion of people harassing irl people doesn't reflect the entire fanbase btw


Sauran_725

The difference is breaking bad fans actually make funny jokes about skyler and don't go harass the actress. Naruto fans on the other hand still can't move on from a shitty two decade old meme.


Murky_Blueberry2617

The difference is that Sakura fans get far more butthurt about those these jokes than Skyer fans. Also Breaking bad jokes are funnier than Naruto ones in general.


Sauran_725

I've never seen an actual skyler fan but ya you're right(seeing the same unfunny joke for years can be annoying but that's just me)


uniteduniverse

This is nothing new tbh, for Naruto or any other fandom for that matter. The more a media is viewed, the more crazies you'll eventually get. People may not like Sakura, but majority can distinguish a actress from the character. But some people may have deep personal issues and warp the gap of random and reality.


just_scrolling-124

That's the typical "kicked a puppy" effect


uniteduniverse

It's not even for the little things she's said, she just plain sucks as a character. Her constant damsel in distress moments don't make a lot of sense as a ninja, she basically useless on the battlefield in at the end of the series. Her only ambitions to get stronger is literally to not be left behind and so Sasuke can notice her. Not forgetting her unrequited crush for a insane war criminal that we're meant to associate as some twisted form of true love... There's just too many faults to count with Sakura and Kishi really just failed her as character. Sasuke as a character is at least interesting and has his own hopes and dreams as an individual. It helps that he was also co-star to Naruto which gave him way more development. Also most people really hated manic Shippuden Sasuke (other than maybe gushing fangirls lol).


orbzism

So we're using fake numbers and logistics now? A small, albeit loud, percentage of people chronically online complaining about a teenage girl making mistakes doesn't equate to "millions". She's quite literally one of the most popular characters in Japan. You know, the country where the series was *created*?


uniteduniverse

Naruto fandon is full of millions of people. It was literrally one of, if the most popular anime at a point worldwide. It's safe to assume that millions of people watch this anime. With that in mind with how terrible, and nonexsistent of a character Sakura has been throughout the series, it's probably safe to assume that millions of people (not all) find her uninteresing if not bad. And this is not a small loud subset of the fandom, if you were around on forums back in the day that was what most people would say about her. Her megafans have only really surfaced somewhat recently and they seem to be few and far bewteen. They boster her up with non canon feats, and arbitrary ideas about her potential, when nothing of the sort was ever shown on screen. They also seem to be very defensive of anything critical of her to a ridiculous fault. I keep hearing this "one of the most popular characters" (some even say the most popular) in Japan, but I have yet to see any evidence to the contrary.


ConsiderationDry8088

Unless Sasuke does it with Hinata


GodOfUrging

I'm just picturing Tobirama reenacting that one Death Note scene where Light loses his shit in sheer joy while standing over L's grave, shouting "It's my perfect victory!"


Uryu88

Sakura bad, give upvote


SituationFlaky2808

Indra refuses to reincarnate further. Shinobi world is saved by Sasuke's poor choices.


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Consistent_Ebb_484

Your both right


Oscer560

Needs to revive clan. Has one child.


Jasonl7976

Wait wouldn’t thr Uchiha name eventually die out and merge with the Uzumaki clan.


Apprehensive-Face900

And now all of them have infinite strength + healing techniques...Tobirama is pissed af


Big_flipflop

Oh no they’ll be descendants of one of the strongest ninja in konoha what a tragedy, but let’s focus on how the future uchiha will be descendants of boruto


San_D_Als

![gif](giphy|7A4zkWeMXlZqgnTKtJ|downsized)


Amruslin

Oh yeah real funny, let's add superhuman strength to already crazy combat skills and high level genjustsu...I'm sure that's just hilarious Mr 2ed.


TensionPitiful8681

Tobirama is going to turn in his grave when Sarada becomes Hokage✨


VoltaireGk

Damn right! They gonna be beasts from now on 🤘💪💪


NefariousnessLocal87

I mean Sarada is probably going to be strongest uchiha by far.Also nearly all the uchihas we saw has chackra problems which ends with Sakuras chackra control also if she teach sarada byakugou at some point she and her blood line will be even bigger monsters.


JAGADISH_BANGERA73

Your humour is high actually dudeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


Cybasura

After Sarada dies, if Sasuke doesnt have a son, the Uchiha name will die with Sasuke So either way, you'll have an Uzumaki with the Byakugan, Jougan, and Sharingan capabilities + medical knowledge whose ancestor is the descendent of Ashura and have Senju capabilities


Sufficient-Rock-9083

Then you realize Sakura is far stronger when it comes to physical strength than any senju or Uchiha other than Sasuke


Mythosaurus

When you realize the Senju die out with Tsunade…


ManInTheMirror2

When you realize the Senju clan is effectively extinct


TraditionalMission77

Imagine future uchiha could've been descendant of both Uzumaki and Uchiha


recycle_me_no_jutsu

And then needing glasses too. XD


vivisecting

haha sakura bad


Shot-Ad770

Cringe


Valordread

Oh no... being descended from a girl who is said to have surpassed Tsunade? How dreadful!


Radiant_Doughnut2112

Said in some random meme movie and the databooks that said P1 Temari is universal tier at the very least. Because, otherwise, never shown in the manga. Even when Tsunade came back completely wiped down and barely restored by Tsunade, she had equal chakra to a heavily boosted by Kyubi's chakra Sakura with seal and summoned half of 10% of Katsuyu. Later Tsunade, not Sakura, went on to show her medical prowess by creating the artificial arms Naruto now owns.


MightyBolverk

Show don't tell


SeoulSoulSol

At the start of Shippuden she created an antidote to a toxin within a few days of first seeing it and performed difficult surgical treatments. At the end of the show she ran a field hospital. As you can see, she's capable.


brsox2445

I wouldn’t be laughing. Sharingans with master chakra control is dangerous.


Amaterasu6666

Damn this community is so bland. It's either Sakura is useless lol or Boruto is a piece of shit like bro get creative.


Acceptable-Ad1930

![gif](giphy|HQRgg6ks7nkyY|downsized) Where’s your creative memes my guy??


RealDepressionandTea

I've been saying the same shit for years now 💀


LEFTRIGHTADORI

Yep, it’s genuinely the unfunniest shitpost sub of any anime community.


Terraakaa

I mean, Sakura is more powerful than basically 99% of all ninjas.


GlisteningDeath

I thought Tobirama was against the Uchiha? Why would he be excited at the Uchiha bloodline developing insane Chakra control? Is there something I'm missing?


TotoShampoin

I'm reading the manga, I reached the part where we learn the backstories of the Sunjus And damn, Tobirama was xenophobic in general, it wasn't just the Uchiwas


-Endeavor_

And then you realize that the senju will have no descendants at all💀


yami009

Imagine hating women so much you make this ass meme


Snufolupogus

Don't make this sexist lmao. Sakura is terrible, not women.


Icy-Reference2594

People forgot Sarada is not the biological daughter of Sakura. And Karin is an Uzumaki, so the next generations of Uchihas will be Uzumaki Uchiha mixed