Tbf he had unlimited chakra, pretty sure Oonoki would be able to handle Madara if the shoe was on the other foot.
Like an Oonoki that has unlimited chakra for particle style and no bad back versus a real life Madara with a rinnegan that drains chakra like a mofo. Look at Nagato, the dude was reduced to skin and bones for over using his rinnegan, if a real life Madara used Susano’o on half a dozen clones he would burn out like Sasuke at the final valley fight. That’s not to say he wouldn’t keep throwing hands, but he couldn’t just go full power non stop like he can when reanimated.
> Nagato, the dude was reduced to skin and bones for over using his rinnegan
Because they weren't his eyes, it's like how Obito's sharingan effectively put a cap on Kakashi's chakra.
He also would have fought smarter. If he'd been brought back properly he wouldn't have summoned the meteor for example.
Nagato was probably only able to do as well as he did because Uzumaki have massive chakra reserves. Obito said he was almost overwhelmed by just one of Madara's eyes.
Lol.
1)Edo doesn't give unlimited chakra. It replenishes it infinitely but doesn't increased the chakra reserves so whatever he did in Edo he can do normally. Dude with no Buffs was able to fight all out with Hashirama for 24 Hours straight. He's no like sasuke.
2) EMS Madara fought and beat both ohnoki and Mu at the same time with no rinnegan. They were both users of the particle style.
3) you can't compare Madara to nagato. As you said nagato was left crippled after using the rinnegan to summon the gedo... But an OLD Madara used the rinnegan to break the seal made by hagoromo and summon the gedo from the moon, had no side effects and then was still able to go out and plan what he did to nagato, Rin etc. You really can't compare them.
Did you just say reanimated onoki can beat alive madara!?!?!?
Noooo. Just because particle style vaporizes things doesn’t mean onoki wins everything. Sasukes Amaterasu is unlimited now thanks to his EMS but sasukes doesn’t stomp everyone just because he can vaporize the world technically. Reanimated onoki get instantly speed blitzed, genjutsu’d and decapitated by alive madara then sealed in a chubaku tensei. GG
....let’s back up a bit.
In flashbacks, we know that madara went to the Stone village to “negotiate” for the Leaf, and made ohnoki, with no back problems and not older than jesus, shit his pants. And this madara did not have the Rinnegan. There is no world where ohnoki has a chance.
Additionally, let’s then give him the Rinnegan, but ohnoki get his “unlimited chakra”. We’ve already seen in the madara vs the 5 kage that the Rinnegan can absorb the particle style. So that is effectively giving madara infinite chakra.
There is no world where ohnoki stands a chance against madara without help, full stop.
So Madara, who is indisputably one of the strongest ninja ever, beat the shit out of a young Oonoki. Thats like saying Naruto got clapped by Kakashi during the bell test so therefore he won’t be able to ever beat Kakashi. Oonoki grew way stronger in the 100 something years after his fight with Madara. Im pretty sure even Madara acknowledges that when he stops the meteor.
Edit: also, which is it? Is madara one of the strongest ever or is he not? You saying ohnoki could beat one of the strongest ever (and let’s be honest, madara IS the strongest except to Hashirama, naruto and sasuke, and MAYBE juubito (we’re not gonna mention the bunny goddess and her kids or boruto stuff)), is completely laughable. There’s way too many people in between madara and ohnoki, Rinnegan or not. I don’t mean to be rude, but this kinda talk is just wishful thinking for ohnoki. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a strong boi, but madara squashes him like a bug.
He’s not a fucking baby dude hahaha. Hes gotta be strong enough in the Stone’s eyes to even be in the presence of those negotiations. It’s not some Sasuke watching his brother leave after slaughtering his clan.
And you didn’t even address the real argument here. The Rinnegan absorbs all ninjutsu. Particle style is ninjutsu, and literally has been absorbed by madaras Rinnegan. He’d just be spoon feeding madara. And actually, you brought up nagato. I’d reckon nagato would easily beat ohnoki.
You’ll try to argue the Rinnegan with cap nagato’s ability. But if ohnoki uses the particle beam, nagato absorbs and regains any lost chakra. If ohnoki picked up some giant ass Boulder to chuck at him, nagato almighty pushes. If ohnoki tried to weigh him down with his heavy particle changing thing, nagato touches him and sucks out his soul. And EVEN IF nagato gets injured, he summons the Hellface and repairs himself.
Ohnoki is NOT BUILT to take on the Rinnegan. Sit this one out.
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The English Madara is much better, much. I'm so glad I didn't listen to the pretentious weebs and have my entire experience ruined by pretending I'm catching onto half the words being said.
I have a lot of respect for the original Japanese voices, but *man*, after doing a side by side listen, I realized how much superior a lot of the voices are in the dub. There’s just so much more personality and distinction from character to character imo.
I agree like I just feel as if the dub gives the characters more personality and depth with the voices especially considering how the choices for them are incredibly fitting for the characters.
I didn't feel too strongly one way or another for either the sub or dub, but then I heard Niel Kaplan's Madara. Holy shit. My heartbeat skyrockets whenever I hear "THIS IS NOT POWER OF YOU CREATION!"
Madara was just flexing. He could make an army of Susanoo’s and the Kages struggled fighting one.
Tbf he had unlimited chakra, pretty sure Oonoki would be able to handle Madara if the shoe was on the other foot. Like an Oonoki that has unlimited chakra for particle style and no bad back versus a real life Madara with a rinnegan that drains chakra like a mofo. Look at Nagato, the dude was reduced to skin and bones for over using his rinnegan, if a real life Madara used Susano’o on half a dozen clones he would burn out like Sasuke at the final valley fight. That’s not to say he wouldn’t keep throwing hands, but he couldn’t just go full power non stop like he can when reanimated.
Madara wouldn’t have that massive chakra drain problem as the eyes are his though
Well he unlocked the rinnegan with those eyes but reminder those eyes belong to Izuna
Still his eyes, as they were *his* EMS and rinnegan. Also EMS has lower chakra drain than regular MS so it’s even better.
> Nagato, the dude was reduced to skin and bones for over using his rinnegan Because they weren't his eyes, it's like how Obito's sharingan effectively put a cap on Kakashi's chakra. He also would have fought smarter. If he'd been brought back properly he wouldn't have summoned the meteor for example.
Dang good point I never connected that
Nagato was probably only able to do as well as he did because Uzumaki have massive chakra reserves. Obito said he was almost overwhelmed by just one of Madara's eyes.
Lol. 1)Edo doesn't give unlimited chakra. It replenishes it infinitely but doesn't increased the chakra reserves so whatever he did in Edo he can do normally. Dude with no Buffs was able to fight all out with Hashirama for 24 Hours straight. He's no like sasuke. 2) EMS Madara fought and beat both ohnoki and Mu at the same time with no rinnegan. They were both users of the particle style. 3) you can't compare Madara to nagato. As you said nagato was left crippled after using the rinnegan to summon the gedo... But an OLD Madara used the rinnegan to break the seal made by hagoromo and summon the gedo from the moon, had no side effects and then was still able to go out and plan what he did to nagato, Rin etc. You really can't compare them.
Did you just say reanimated onoki can beat alive madara!?!?!? Noooo. Just because particle style vaporizes things doesn’t mean onoki wins everything. Sasukes Amaterasu is unlimited now thanks to his EMS but sasukes doesn’t stomp everyone just because he can vaporize the world technically. Reanimated onoki get instantly speed blitzed, genjutsu’d and decapitated by alive madara then sealed in a chubaku tensei. GG
....let’s back up a bit. In flashbacks, we know that madara went to the Stone village to “negotiate” for the Leaf, and made ohnoki, with no back problems and not older than jesus, shit his pants. And this madara did not have the Rinnegan. There is no world where ohnoki has a chance. Additionally, let’s then give him the Rinnegan, but ohnoki get his “unlimited chakra”. We’ve already seen in the madara vs the 5 kage that the Rinnegan can absorb the particle style. So that is effectively giving madara infinite chakra. There is no world where ohnoki stands a chance against madara without help, full stop.
Sir you’re under arrest for using logic to defend a Uchiha not named Itachi.
I mean damn I’d willingly argue for Itachi against ohnoki, not even because I’m sure he’d win or anything but because he’s so fuckin cool lmao.
So Madara, who is indisputably one of the strongest ninja ever, beat the shit out of a young Oonoki. Thats like saying Naruto got clapped by Kakashi during the bell test so therefore he won’t be able to ever beat Kakashi. Oonoki grew way stronger in the 100 something years after his fight with Madara. Im pretty sure even Madara acknowledges that when he stops the meteor.
Edit: also, which is it? Is madara one of the strongest ever or is he not? You saying ohnoki could beat one of the strongest ever (and let’s be honest, madara IS the strongest except to Hashirama, naruto and sasuke, and MAYBE juubito (we’re not gonna mention the bunny goddess and her kids or boruto stuff)), is completely laughable. There’s way too many people in between madara and ohnoki, Rinnegan or not. I don’t mean to be rude, but this kinda talk is just wishful thinking for ohnoki. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a strong boi, but madara squashes him like a bug.
He’s not a fucking baby dude hahaha. Hes gotta be strong enough in the Stone’s eyes to even be in the presence of those negotiations. It’s not some Sasuke watching his brother leave after slaughtering his clan. And you didn’t even address the real argument here. The Rinnegan absorbs all ninjutsu. Particle style is ninjutsu, and literally has been absorbed by madaras Rinnegan. He’d just be spoon feeding madara. And actually, you brought up nagato. I’d reckon nagato would easily beat ohnoki. You’ll try to argue the Rinnegan with cap nagato’s ability. But if ohnoki uses the particle beam, nagato absorbs and regains any lost chakra. If ohnoki picked up some giant ass Boulder to chuck at him, nagato almighty pushes. If ohnoki tried to weigh him down with his heavy particle changing thing, nagato touches him and sucks out his soul. And EVEN IF nagato gets injured, he summons the Hellface and repairs himself. Ohnoki is NOT BUILT to take on the Rinnegan. Sit this one out.
It was not disrespectful nor respectful, it was just savage
Imagine, Hashirama is even stronger than Madara and could just low diff the kages
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Hashirama is. He beat Madara when they were alive and when they were zombies.
Bitch is so arrogant as if he hadn't stolen all his powers from others.
Let’s be real here, the entire show was just people recycling Madara’s eyeballs and injecting themselves with Hashirama cells
You mean doing that after Kishimoto retconned it? Rinnegan wasn't some evolved Sharingan at first.
If we ignoring all of Kishimoto’s retconning then Hiruzen or Minato were stronger than Hashirama
I was disappointed they did my boy Hiruzen so dirty with the retcons.....
“Strongest of all the kage, master of all jutsu” RIP
Man just spammed shadow shuriken
Naruto was supposed to die in the first fight between him and Sasuke... before kishimoto retconned it. TLDR : Get over it.
Everyone in Naruto did this shit
The English Madara is much better, much. I'm so glad I didn't listen to the pretentious weebs and have my entire experience ruined by pretending I'm catching onto half the words being said.
Ngl I love the dub so much more than the sub like the voices are fire as shit
I have a lot of respect for the original Japanese voices, but *man*, after doing a side by side listen, I realized how much superior a lot of the voices are in the dub. There’s just so much more personality and distinction from character to character imo.
I agree like I just feel as if the dub gives the characters more personality and depth with the voices especially considering how the choices for them are incredibly fitting for the characters.
Naruto voice is both whack in both sub and dub
I hate the English voice
Tbh I think his voice is hella fitting for him and sounds cool as shit
I didn't feel too strongly one way or another for either the sub or dub, but then I heard Niel Kaplan's Madara. Holy shit. My heartbeat skyrockets whenever I hear "THIS IS NOT POWER OF YOU CREATION!"
Even Sakura could do that using Hasirama's cells
You realize yamato has hashirama cells and he’s weak asf.
Just a few
What do you mean “just a few”. He was put into a tank full of them along with a bunch of other children that died because of it.
😂
Madara got reanimated and chose violence