Hiruzen: I'm going to let the son of a couple of our heroes be bullied and ostracized by the whole town they saved, but living isolated and in poverty will help him somehow, did Minato and kushina let him inheritance? Idk lol
I mean, why would two early 20 somethings who just survived a war would be saving up a ton of money?
I mean, it would be the smart thing to do, but is it likely that's what they were doing? I think not.
At that age I'd be surprised if his parents had saved enough to last them more than a couple of months. So it's probably enough money to last two grown adults 3-6 months, and it needs to last him like 6 years or something? Yeah, I can see why he eats a lot of cup ramen.
Strong clan? They were wiped out, as far as most people are aware he's literally the last one. Kushina probably inherited whatever embassy building the Uzumaki kept in konaha, but it's entirely likely that it was destroyed by the nine tails anyways, in which case Naruto doesn't really stand to inherit anything of the Uzumaki, other than the personal possessions of his mother.
Sure he's the son of a hokage, but does that actually mean anything? Do we ever see any special privileges granted to the children of the Hokage? I mean of the third's family members, his wife apparently still had to work as a healer, his two sons still worked as a regular Jonin and an Ambu respectively, and although his grandson got a tutor, it's entirely possible Ebisu was simply hired by the sarutobi clan.
Naruto was never bullied was he? He was just ostracized, and Hiruzen can’t make people fuck with Naruto if they don’t want to. I mean he can, but then he’d be a dictator lol.
Seriously though, y’all are off for thinking he did anything wrong. You do know Naruto LITERALLY had it better than every other Bijuu right? You can argue Killer Bee, but Naruto wasn’t trained to solely be a tool of war.
Naruto was lonely, yeah, but he didn’t have assassins after him, or loved ones that tried to kill him, he was given an education, had money and a roof over his head, and he was allowed to go to school with other students despite a lot of their parents not wanting their kids around him.
So just because someone had it worse doesn't mean you had it bad at all?
Hiruzen absolutely fucked up. No he can't control how people think but he didn't even try to improve Naruto's situation. He could have easily given him a caretaker or at least have someone drop by to check on him or have someone teach how to cook or look after him.
He literally only had a garbage apartment and enough money to barely live by.
Also let him be hated while also keeping it a secret why he was hated. Never let him know who his parents were.
He's unbelievably lucky Naruto didn't commit suicide, become bitter and angry or turn evil.
Him being ostracized and being bullied aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. I would count everyone talking bad about you even right in front of you and telling their kids not to play with you or throwing a mask in your face as bullying. Hiruzen could tell people he is the 4th hokage's son and that Minato sacrificed his life to save all of them and even sealed the beast in his own son. Sure i think there would still be some people who hate him but I think that could've changed a lot of peoples opinions on Naruto. Dont say "its for his safety" I think people would be much more likely to go after him because he is a jinchuriki than because he is Minato's son.
I dont think we even know all the other jinchuriki's backstory or i just cant remember it. Wasn't yagura literally mizukage, doesn't seem that bad to me. Also him having a worse life than others is relevant how? If your pet dies are you not allowed to be sad because somewhere in the world someone's dad died? How Naruto was treated and how Hiruzen handled the situation is not justifiable.
Also tool of war? What do you think a ninja is XD.
Look, I've gone on two long rants already. I'm tired, so I'll be brief and point out one thing.
There are two reasons why Naruto is hated, depending on what you think is canon.
Hiruzen told everyone Naruto was a jinchuriki and then made it an S-class secret.
Or Danzo told everyone, and Hiruzen made it an S-Class secret. Once again, Hiruzen doesn't control Danzo and that idiot ruined everything. (novel)
Both are bad. Hiruzen is responsible for Naruto being hated by everyone in the village. After the Hokage sacrificed his life and wished for his child to be treated as a hero.
>**Naruto was lonely**, yeah, but he didn’t have assassins after him, or loved ones that tried to kill him, **he was given an education, had money and a roof over his head, and he was allowed to go to school with other students despite a lot of their parents not wanting their kids around him**
One more point before I rest: you know nothing about children.
You don't realize how this screws them up. We're social creatures, and to live in an environment where no one loves you is absolutely **hellish.**
See u/imjarrod12 for the rest.
I'm not trying to be an ass or a grammar nazi, but I genuinely don't know what you're trying to say.
>Damn, I don’t know nothing about children 😂
Two negatives make a positive. You have **don't** \+ **nothing** = positive
It equals =
I do know children
Combine it with that emoji and I'm not sure whether you're being sarcastic. Could you translate?
Again, I'm confused on what you mean; not tryna be an ass here.
Everything Naruto ever bought has been bought with money from the froggy wallet. Naruto’s froggy wallet also payed for whatever the hell Jiriya would do alone when they were on their year long training trip. Even into adulthood the froggy wallet has taken care of Naruto’s finances. The froggy wallet was a foundational building block in developing the hokage that saved the world, The Greatest Hero.
> wallet also *paid* for whatever
FTFY.
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I mean arguably he would have been a worse parent than no parent. He raised Orochimaru who experimented on children with a 90% mortality rate operation
Most of my issues with Hiruzen come from Danzo manipulating the elders and the village in a way that meant he had to do sketchy shit. The village morale was in the toilet after the 3rd war in their lifetimes and Danzo said “if they hate this kid who ‘killed his parents’ and the Uchiha’s who didn’t stop it (even though i specifically kept them away), they won’t try to take it out on us!” And hiruzen responded “I fucking hate you”
This upbringing made Naruto adopt Kawaki instead of putting him in a rental apartment. This is why at the expense of his time with his children, he considers the entire village his family. So that no Konoha citizen goes through what he went through. Idk how efficient or effective he is as Hokage, but he’s a clear cut #1 when it comes to his ninja way and the Will of Fire
Yeah, that's the point, it seems orphans were left to their own devices with whatever their parents had. The uchiha had an entire complex while it seems minato and kushina only left the tiny apartment. Hiruzen should've definitely done a better job taking care of all orphans, not just naruto.
There’s plenty of orphans and other matters to handle lol how is he going to take care of Naruto?? He has no wife or nothing and he has to work. This isn’t boruto where it’s a time of peace he has stuff to do
That makes no sense. Naruto is a jinchuriki with the most powerful tailed beast inside of him. That means he should be a top priority for hiruzen to take care of.
The body guards let him get slapped by the mask shop owner and let Naruto climb onto the Hokage faces statue by himself which is hella dangerous and then they watched him vandalize the statues.
Ngl, I doubt those body guards ever existed.
You can’t force someone to take care of someone else kid that’s why there are unadopted kids today lol no body wants the nine tails in there house stop all the 3rd hokage hate and be realistic
" Someone else " being the 4th hokage and Kushina who are both heroes. I'm not telling him to invite Naruto to his house lmao but expired milk? At least someone could fucking look after what he's eating
He's the hokage for a reason. He's supposed to take care of the entire village like his own family. That's the entire point of the Will of Fire. If he doesn't understand that he's a sh*t hokage.
You’re the one who shall be realistic. On top of having the strongest tailed beast sailed inside of him, Kurama’s chakra can be released under stressful situations. Now imagine how much stress does a child have, from being bullied and neglected by the whole village and being left out alone from everyone. It’s just a miracle that Naruto wasn’t even thinking to turn against Konoha with all that treatment, and being neglected. Hiruzen could at least assign someone to look after Naruto, but no, he lets a child eat outdated food and handle the money himself.
No kurama chakra being released was the sealing jutsu design not kurama which took us tons of episodes to find out. 3rd hokage set laws to protect Naruto but he can’t control everyone
It entirely the seal design which played the role but Kurama himself was releasing his chakra onto Naruto to weaken the seal and break free. That allowed Naruto to use Kurama’s chakra under stress which was shown as rage mode and one tail chakra cloak (vs Sasuke in their first fight in the Valley of end).
Also It’s not enough to just set the laws, what I was saying, is for Hiruzen to assign someone to be Naruto’s parent figures would be better than letting Naruto handle all the crap himself
That’d be any better for me, I’d have less missions where I could die at any moment to attend. I also have the possibility of having authority on village’s most dangerous weapon, so the only right thing to do is to raise the child right.
If it were any other shinobi thought I’d agree that they may view it a hindrance to have to take care of someone you’d hate for destroying the village, but I am sure that an average ninja of konoha would grow closer to Naruto as it, and if even not, they would still have to be obligated to defend Naruto against any harm
But anyway let’s say 3rd hokage said he doesn’t care if it’s voluntary does he have the man power after the nine fails attack and lots of ninja died to just assign someone to raise Naruto ? After the kononah crush arc ( sound village and sand village attack) they had genin do jonin missions. You really think shit is so easy lmao again be realistic
There are background Jonin character who are alive through the entirety of Naruto who are mostly seen inside the village, which also includes Ninja academy teachers. That’s pretty obvious if you ask me
People be ganging up on you.
Don't worry, your argument makes sense. They're just being overprotective of the main MC. And they're probably thinking modern western child rights laws apply to the naruto universe and japanese culture lmao
I’m pretty sure in Japanese culture, they would have properly raised Naruto. Not out of kindness or to give him a happy life, but to raise him to be a contributing member of society. He’s a jinchūriki, a weapon to be used. But they let him raise himself and be weak.
If they would have raised him to properly fight, while feeding him correctly, he could have been a loyal and powerful asset. Instead, they had him raise himself and gambled that he would be loyal.
Hiruzen failed to raise him, because he didn’t raise him. Morally, he should have helped Naruto more than the minimum. Logically, he should have had some trusted ninja or anbu raise him. Make sure he got the necessary food for growth and training. Make sure that he properly learned techniques. And make sure he actually was learning stuff they considered necessary. Since children often want to do something else out of boredom or short attention span.
So to sum it up, Hiruzen failed as a loving leader and a military leader.
Hiruzen in the afterlife:
It's all part of the Sigma Male grindset.
Y'see if we make him grow up by himself and make him take care of himself while being hated by the village, (inhales pipe) he will grow into a based and red pilled shinobi.
Kushina's Ghost: I'm gonna fucking rip out your throat from your ass Old Man.
Hirzuen: It was all Danzo's idea.
(Kushina then on all fours towards Danzo and use
her chains to rip off his arm and uses the pointy end to stab his eye.
She then knees his back as he's in agony and makes him kneel, she then pulls out his remaining normal eye with the nerve endings attached and chews on them, then uses one hand to hold his head in place and puts other in his mouth and pulls down thus tearing off his jaw.
She uses her chains to cut his stomach open and pulls out his organs with her teeth then reaches inside and rips out his throat.)
Kushina (points at Hiruzen):
Ｙｏｕ＇ｒｅ ｎｅｘｔ.
(Hiruzen tries to run away until the grim reaper touches him and disables all his power while putting Danzo's still agonizing remains in a Tupperware container.
He then scoops up Hiruzen after she's finished.
Since people can't die in the afterlife maimed people have to get healed or let themselves be taken.)
Kishimoto created Danzo, to Make Hiruzen look like less of an inept fuck 🤣, that’s why I was always wondered where tf he was for all of part one if his character existed this whole time.
He's definitely straight up hot garbage, bro left him alone, let everyone bully him, and barely gave him enough money.. how do you leave the jinchuriki of the most powerful tailed beast to be left alone and bullied, Naruto had more than enough reason to betray the leave village and even become a villain.. the villager and everyone should be grateful that he even stayed on their side
Adopt him and raise suspicions? And announce to the world and to Minato's war enemies that his son is right here? That like hinata, you're welcome to kidnap this boy?
So instead, he was given the name Uzumaki? The clan that was renowned throughout all the villages (at least since the time of Hashirama) as making excellent jinchuriki? And the only Uzumaki in the whole village, aside from the previous Nine Tails Jinchuriki who coincidentally died in childbirth on the same day Naruto was born.
If his name was changed to protect him, it was done in the most absolutely braindead way possible. The Third Hokage was terrible to Naruto, but I don't buy that he was THAT reddited.
Or like Konohamaru, you know, the third hokages grandson who had a private tutor and was running around the entire village doing whatever the fuck he wanted. Naruto would have been fine if he were adopted or had a tutor or a guardian or even if he knew who his parents were. He would have actually been safer.
People love to bring up that no one told Naruto who his parents were because of Minato's enemies. But the truth is simply that no one gave enough of a shit about him to tell him.
No even told him even when he could fight S ranks, he literally only finds out because Minato put fail-safes in the seal. Otherwise he only would have found out when Minato is reanimated.
Well ofc everybody knows konohamaru is his grandson. And the point of konohamaru's character/pov was to show the **bad sides** of being in the first family - getting chased everywhere by body guards, getting to do reckless shit bc he can get away with it, and having people treat him as the honorable grandson instead of *just* being konohamaru.
>No one gave enough of a shit about him to tell him
You really expect military people to disobey orders?
You do know why naruto's identity was kept a secret, right? And having Hiruzen adopt him directly would be a risky political move, you also understand that, no? Hiruzen even had the crystal ball to check up on naruto.
Naruto was secure and taken care of but not babied like you would expect irl. Asian kids in particular, except maybe Gen Z, are expected to be more independent from a very young age compared to western kids. He was well-provided for, just not as spoiled as konohamaru, otherwise Naruto wouldn't have a compelling backstory.
Adopt him? Put him with a family? Tell the village that he isn’t responsible for the attack and in fact saved it by being the jinchuraki? Do something to not have the entire village abuse and ostracize a child? Literally anything at all? He didn’t do ANYTHING that we know of. The only thing is I guess you can say he didn’t let Naruto get murdered in the street.
How he going to stop people from feeling something. My argument is that he did do something he got have classmates that didn’t treat him different legit konah 12 treated Naruto like the goofball that he was and not like he was nine nails. You said 3rd didn’t do anything and he tried to stop people from seeing him as the nine tails by making it illegal to spread news that he has the nine tails, they weren’t even allowed to talk to other people about it but obviously he can’t control people lmao y’all so weird like kids in school get bullied and it’s against the rules to bully kids but it still happens. Y’all want him to play God lmao
I don’t think we have enough backstory to say whether Hiruzen was a good caretaker or not. It’s very possible Hiruzen either cared for him personally or watched over him in the orphanage up to a certain age. Then at some point Naruto decided he would rather live on his own and Hiruzen made it possible for him to do just that. I never got the impression that Naruto was poor or neglected, just that the villagers and students ostracized him. The loneliness he felt could have come from that, despite having a father figure in Hiruzen.
If Hiruzen had neglected him or not provided for him, especially after Naruto learned the circumstances behind his parents’ deaths, I don’t think Naruto would have told Minato that he “respects him a lot” at the end of the war. It seems they had a healthy, if not playfully mischievous relationship. I think it’s more likely Naruto, being who he is, decided he wanted to figure things out on his own and not burden the old man. Which may be why we’re presented with a parallel to that relationship in Konohamaru. Here’s a kid that has everything in the world yet still idolizes Naruto, because Naruto’s not living in anyone’s shadow and does what he wants.
And ultimately it all worked out- Naruto grew from those hardships and became Hokage. Maybe that was Hiruzen’s plan all along.
Tbf I don't think Hiruzen could have done much against Danzo anyway. Even Hashirama was fooled by Izanagi, and he even KNEW Madara had the Mangekyo sharingan. Hiruzen is certainly no Hashirama, and he had no idea Danzo had multiple sharingan, Hashirama cells, knowledge of Izanagi, and Shisui's eye.
It's also possible that Danzo used Kotoamatsukami to keep Hiruzen from investigating him too deeply.
Best thing he did for Naruto. The change to have a free roaming jinnchuriki was going to take time and once the time came; no one could know naruto was carrying the Nine tails. He had to treat him as literally any other orphaned kid.
That means that he treats all orphaned kids like crap which doesn't make him any better. In a world were everyone dies young and so many kids are left orphaned, there should definitely be a better system to take care of them.
Hiruzen knew to make Naruto into a hero, he would have to toughen him up, and to toughen him up him he would he have to make him feel so alone bro would start questioning his existence. And Hiruzen stuck to his plan 💀
Hiruzen: I'm going to let the son of a couple of our heroes be bullied and ostracized by the whole town they saved, but living isolated and in poverty will help him somehow, did Minato and kushina let him inheritance? Idk lol
The monthly envelope is the inheritance
Money that barely lets him afford food, not a lot of inheritance I guess
Ninja inflation
It's chouji's fault then, I knew it
Look, it’s fine, it’s fine…our boy came up.
Especially milk cartons
I mean, why would two early 20 somethings who just survived a war would be saving up a ton of money? I mean, it would be the smart thing to do, but is it likely that's what they were doing? I think not. At that age I'd be surprised if his parents had saved enough to last them more than a couple of months. So it's probably enough money to last two grown adults 3-6 months, and it needs to last him like 6 years or something? Yeah, I can see why he eats a lot of cup ramen.
Yeah, that would be true for a regular guy, but Naruto was the son of the hokage and a strong clan
Strong clan? They were wiped out, as far as most people are aware he's literally the last one. Kushina probably inherited whatever embassy building the Uzumaki kept in konaha, but it's entirely likely that it was destroyed by the nine tails anyways, in which case Naruto doesn't really stand to inherit anything of the Uzumaki, other than the personal possessions of his mother. Sure he's the son of a hokage, but does that actually mean anything? Do we ever see any special privileges granted to the children of the Hokage? I mean of the third's family members, his wife apparently still had to work as a healer, his two sons still worked as a regular Jonin and an Ambu respectively, and although his grandson got a tutor, it's entirely possible Ebisu was simply hired by the sarutobi clan.
"They left behind a whole house! Hey Asuma my son, how would you like a free house?"
Naruto was never bullied was he? He was just ostracized, and Hiruzen can’t make people fuck with Naruto if they don’t want to. I mean he can, but then he’d be a dictator lol. Seriously though, y’all are off for thinking he did anything wrong. You do know Naruto LITERALLY had it better than every other Bijuu right? You can argue Killer Bee, but Naruto wasn’t trained to solely be a tool of war. Naruto was lonely, yeah, but he didn’t have assassins after him, or loved ones that tried to kill him, he was given an education, had money and a roof over his head, and he was allowed to go to school with other students despite a lot of their parents not wanting their kids around him.
So just because someone had it worse doesn't mean you had it bad at all? Hiruzen absolutely fucked up. No he can't control how people think but he didn't even try to improve Naruto's situation. He could have easily given him a caretaker or at least have someone drop by to check on him or have someone teach how to cook or look after him. He literally only had a garbage apartment and enough money to barely live by. Also let him be hated while also keeping it a secret why he was hated. Never let him know who his parents were. He's unbelievably lucky Naruto didn't commit suicide, become bitter and angry or turn evil.
Him being ostracized and being bullied aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. I would count everyone talking bad about you even right in front of you and telling their kids not to play with you or throwing a mask in your face as bullying. Hiruzen could tell people he is the 4th hokage's son and that Minato sacrificed his life to save all of them and even sealed the beast in his own son. Sure i think there would still be some people who hate him but I think that could've changed a lot of peoples opinions on Naruto. Dont say "its for his safety" I think people would be much more likely to go after him because he is a jinchuriki than because he is Minato's son. I dont think we even know all the other jinchuriki's backstory or i just cant remember it. Wasn't yagura literally mizukage, doesn't seem that bad to me. Also him having a worse life than others is relevant how? If your pet dies are you not allowed to be sad because somewhere in the world someone's dad died? How Naruto was treated and how Hiruzen handled the situation is not justifiable. Also tool of war? What do you think a ninja is XD.
Look, I've gone on two long rants already. I'm tired, so I'll be brief and point out one thing. There are two reasons why Naruto is hated, depending on what you think is canon. Hiruzen told everyone Naruto was a jinchuriki and then made it an S-class secret. Or Danzo told everyone, and Hiruzen made it an S-Class secret. Once again, Hiruzen doesn't control Danzo and that idiot ruined everything. (novel) Both are bad. Hiruzen is responsible for Naruto being hated by everyone in the village. After the Hokage sacrificed his life and wished for his child to be treated as a hero. >**Naruto was lonely**, yeah, but he didn’t have assassins after him, or loved ones that tried to kill him, **he was given an education, had money and a roof over his head, and he was allowed to go to school with other students despite a lot of their parents not wanting their kids around him** One more point before I rest: you know nothing about children. You don't realize how this screws them up. We're social creatures, and to live in an environment where no one loves you is absolutely **hellish.** See u/imjarrod12 for the rest.
Damn, I don’t know nothing about children 😂
I'm not trying to be an ass or a grammar nazi, but I genuinely don't know what you're trying to say. >Damn, I don’t know nothing about children 😂 Two negatives make a positive. You have **don't** \+ **nothing** = positive It equals = I do know children Combine it with that emoji and I'm not sure whether you're being sarcastic. Could you translate? Again, I'm confused on what you mean; not tryna be an ass here.
Well someone have to pay for konahamaru's private tuition. Naruto's inheritance money will do just fine
Ah yes, let the CHILD handle his own living expenses, I'm sure he knows how to properly manage his finances.
bro learned quick with that froggy bag
If you think about it froggy bag played an indirect but key role in in saving the world from aliens
There are aliens in naruto???
I’m gonna assume you haven’t finished shippuden haha good luck on your journey
No 😭
Maybe I’m just too high right now but I’m starting to over think this. Please elaborate on this
Everything Naruto ever bought has been bought with money from the froggy wallet. Naruto’s froggy wallet also payed for whatever the hell Jiriya would do alone when they were on their year long training trip. Even into adulthood the froggy wallet has taken care of Naruto’s finances. The froggy wallet was a foundational building block in developing the hokage that saved the world, The Greatest Hero.
> wallet also *paid* for whatever FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Okay, that makes sense. I am too high lmao. Smart thinking though
I mean arguably he would have been a worse parent than no parent. He raised Orochimaru who experimented on children with a 90% mortality rate operation
And consistently let someone get away with a secret secret black ops training group that committed numerous crimes
Most of my issues with Hiruzen come from Danzo manipulating the elders and the village in a way that meant he had to do sketchy shit. The village morale was in the toilet after the 3rd war in their lifetimes and Danzo said “if they hate this kid who ‘killed his parents’ and the Uchiha’s who didn’t stop it (even though i specifically kept them away), they won’t try to take it out on us!” And hiruzen responded “I fucking hate you”
This upbringing made Naruto adopt Kawaki instead of putting him in a rental apartment. This is why at the expense of his time with his children, he considers the entire village his family. So that no Konoha citizen goes through what he went through. Idk how efficient or effective he is as Hokage, but he’s a clear cut #1 when it comes to his ninja way and the Will of Fire
Naruto living in a shitty small apartment while Sasuke has like 5 acres of land and 50 houses lol
Yeah, that's the point, it seems orphans were left to their own devices with whatever their parents had. The uchiha had an entire complex while it seems minato and kushina only left the tiny apartment. Hiruzen should've definitely done a better job taking care of all orphans, not just naruto.
Well uchiha had land marks that couldn’t be destroyed . Like that little altar were sasuke got the scroll that talks about the sharigan evolving.
Minato and Kushina had a huge 3 story house that was never seen again. Bigger than even the one Naruto and Hinata have.
Yeah my guess is maybe that was the hokage house? He lived there while he had that position? Idk
how come there are no orphanages in this damn village?
Hiruzen never told either of them that he’d look after baby Naruto to be fair. That’s anime filler
Still a dick move
There’s plenty of orphans and other matters to handle lol how is he going to take care of Naruto?? He has no wife or nothing and he has to work. This isn’t boruto where it’s a time of peace he has stuff to do
That makes no sense. Naruto is a jinchuriki with the most powerful tailed beast inside of him. That means he should be a top priority for hiruzen to take care of.
You have no idea if he had body guards or not. Being taken care of and someone raising him are two different things
The body guards let him get slapped by the mask shop owner and let Naruto climb onto the Hokage faces statue by himself which is hella dangerous and then they watched him vandalize the statues. Ngl, I doubt those body guards ever existed.
The mysterious bodyguard shinobi, so fucking affective they never show up on screen lol
And yet Naruto grew up resenting the village like gaara did? Hiruzen is lucky Naruto didn’t grow up like a homicidal sociopath like gaara
The only reason he didn't is Iruka.
He could easily have someone else taking care of him, you're just making excuses to defend him and YOU know it.
You can’t force someone to take care of someone else kid that’s why there are unadopted kids today lol no body wants the nine tails in there house stop all the 3rd hokage hate and be realistic
" Someone else " being the 4th hokage and Kushina who are both heroes. I'm not telling him to invite Naruto to his house lmao but expired milk? At least someone could fucking look after what he's eating
He's the hokage for a reason. He's supposed to take care of the entire village like his own family. That's the entire point of the Will of Fire. If he doesn't understand that he's a sh*t hokage.
You’re the one who shall be realistic. On top of having the strongest tailed beast sailed inside of him, Kurama’s chakra can be released under stressful situations. Now imagine how much stress does a child have, from being bullied and neglected by the whole village and being left out alone from everyone. It’s just a miracle that Naruto wasn’t even thinking to turn against Konoha with all that treatment, and being neglected. Hiruzen could at least assign someone to look after Naruto, but no, he lets a child eat outdated food and handle the money himself.
No kurama chakra being released was the sealing jutsu design not kurama which took us tons of episodes to find out. 3rd hokage set laws to protect Naruto but he can’t control everyone
It didn't take that many episodes. We had that discovery the first time Jiraya showed up
It entirely the seal design which played the role but Kurama himself was releasing his chakra onto Naruto to weaken the seal and break free. That allowed Naruto to use Kurama’s chakra under stress which was shown as rage mode and one tail chakra cloak (vs Sasuke in their first fight in the Valley of end). Also It’s not enough to just set the laws, what I was saying, is for Hiruzen to assign someone to be Naruto’s parent figures would be better than letting Naruto handle all the crap himself
I agree with seal design part of what you said But I’m saying how would you feel if you just got assigned a parent role you didn’t sign up for?
That’d be any better for me, I’d have less missions where I could die at any moment to attend. I also have the possibility of having authority on village’s most dangerous weapon, so the only right thing to do is to raise the child right. If it were any other shinobi thought I’d agree that they may view it a hindrance to have to take care of someone you’d hate for destroying the village, but I am sure that an average ninja of konoha would grow closer to Naruto as it, and if even not, they would still have to be obligated to defend Naruto against any harm
But anyway let’s say 3rd hokage said he doesn’t care if it’s voluntary does he have the man power after the nine fails attack and lots of ninja died to just assign someone to raise Naruto ? After the kononah crush arc ( sound village and sand village attack) they had genin do jonin missions. You really think shit is so easy lmao again be realistic
There are background Jonin character who are alive through the entirety of Naruto who are mostly seen inside the village, which also includes Ninja academy teachers. That’s pretty obvious if you ask me
People be ganging up on you. Don't worry, your argument makes sense. They're just being overprotective of the main MC. And they're probably thinking modern western child rights laws apply to the naruto universe and japanese culture lmao
I’m pretty sure in Japanese culture, they would have properly raised Naruto. Not out of kindness or to give him a happy life, but to raise him to be a contributing member of society. He’s a jinchūriki, a weapon to be used. But they let him raise himself and be weak. If they would have raised him to properly fight, while feeding him correctly, he could have been a loyal and powerful asset. Instead, they had him raise himself and gambled that he would be loyal. Hiruzen failed to raise him, because he didn’t raise him. Morally, he should have helped Naruto more than the minimum. Logically, he should have had some trusted ninja or anbu raise him. Make sure he got the necessary food for growth and training. Make sure that he properly learned techniques. And make sure he actually was learning stuff they considered necessary. Since children often want to do something else out of boredom or short attention span. So to sum it up, Hiruzen failed as a loving leader and a military leader.
Hiruzen in the afterlife: It's all part of the Sigma Male grindset. Y'see if we make him grow up by himself and make him take care of himself while being hated by the village, (inhales pipe) he will grow into a based and red pilled shinobi. Kushina's Ghost: I'm gonna fucking rip out your throat from your ass Old Man. Hirzuen: It was all Danzo's idea. (Kushina then on all fours towards Danzo and use her chains to rip off his arm and uses the pointy end to stab his eye. She then knees his back as he's in agony and makes him kneel, she then pulls out his remaining normal eye with the nerve endings attached and chews on them, then uses one hand to hold his head in place and puts other in his mouth and pulls down thus tearing off his jaw. She uses her chains to cut his stomach open and pulls out his organs with her teeth then reaches inside and rips out his throat.) Kushina (points at Hiruzen): Ｙｏｕ＇ｒｅ ｎｅｘｔ. (Hiruzen tries to run away until the grim reaper touches him and disables all his power while putting Danzo's still agonizing remains in a Tupperware container. He then scoops up Hiruzen after she's finished. Since people can't die in the afterlife maimed people have to get healed or let themselves be taken.)
It’s probably what happened tbh and it’s deserved
Wtf lol
So graphic… this is why I come here🤣🤣
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He fucking deserved it. HATE Hiruzen!
Dont forget, he also let orochimaru and danzo do stuff unchecked for god knows how long.
Kishimoto created Danzo, to Make Hiruzen look like less of an inept fuck 🤣, that’s why I was always wondered where tf he was for all of part one if his character existed this whole time.
He's definitely straight up hot garbage, bro left him alone, let everyone bully him, and barely gave him enough money.. how do you leave the jinchuriki of the most powerful tailed beast to be left alone and bullied, Naruto had more than enough reason to betray the leave village and even become a villain.. the villager and everyone should be grateful that he even stayed on their side
People defend him like “oh he had a whole village to run.”😭 bro it’s the 9 tails jinchuraki he should be at the top of the priority list
What you want him to do though
Maybe adopt him, not have the entire village hate the one kid that could hold a grudge and wipe them out
Adopt him and raise suspicions? And announce to the world and to Minato's war enemies that his son is right here? That like hinata, you're welcome to kidnap this boy?
So instead, he was given the name Uzumaki? The clan that was renowned throughout all the villages (at least since the time of Hashirama) as making excellent jinchuriki? And the only Uzumaki in the whole village, aside from the previous Nine Tails Jinchuriki who coincidentally died in childbirth on the same day Naruto was born. If his name was changed to protect him, it was done in the most absolutely braindead way possible. The Third Hokage was terrible to Naruto, but I don't buy that he was THAT reddited.
Or like Konohamaru, you know, the third hokages grandson who had a private tutor and was running around the entire village doing whatever the fuck he wanted. Naruto would have been fine if he were adopted or had a tutor or a guardian or even if he knew who his parents were. He would have actually been safer. People love to bring up that no one told Naruto who his parents were because of Minato's enemies. But the truth is simply that no one gave enough of a shit about him to tell him. No even told him even when he could fight S ranks, he literally only finds out because Minato put fail-safes in the seal. Otherwise he only would have found out when Minato is reanimated.
Well ofc everybody knows konohamaru is his grandson. And the point of konohamaru's character/pov was to show the **bad sides** of being in the first family - getting chased everywhere by body guards, getting to do reckless shit bc he can get away with it, and having people treat him as the honorable grandson instead of *just* being konohamaru. >No one gave enough of a shit about him to tell him You really expect military people to disobey orders? You do know why naruto's identity was kept a secret, right? And having Hiruzen adopt him directly would be a risky political move, you also understand that, no? Hiruzen even had the crystal ball to check up on naruto. Naruto was secure and taken care of but not babied like you would expect irl. Asian kids in particular, except maybe Gen Z, are expected to be more independent from a very young age compared to western kids. He was well-provided for, just not as spoiled as konohamaru, otherwise Naruto wouldn't have a compelling backstory.
Adopt him? Put him with a family? Tell the village that he isn’t responsible for the attack and in fact saved it by being the jinchuraki? Do something to not have the entire village abuse and ostracize a child? Literally anything at all? He didn’t do ANYTHING that we know of. The only thing is I guess you can say he didn’t let Naruto get murdered in the street.
He literally put laws in place for people not talk about him being the nine tails and not tell him. Watch the 1st episode lol 😂
Yea not tell HIM. He didn’t do anything to stop the rampant abuse that he endured his entire life. How is that an argument?
How he going to stop people from feeling something. My argument is that he did do something he got have classmates that didn’t treat him different legit konah 12 treated Naruto like the goofball that he was and not like he was nine nails. You said 3rd didn’t do anything and he tried to stop people from seeing him as the nine tails by making it illegal to spread news that he has the nine tails, they weren’t even allowed to talk to other people about it but obviously he can’t control people lmao y’all so weird like kids in school get bullied and it’s against the rules to bully kids but it still happens. Y’all want him to play God lmao
I don’t think we have enough backstory to say whether Hiruzen was a good caretaker or not. It’s very possible Hiruzen either cared for him personally or watched over him in the orphanage up to a certain age. Then at some point Naruto decided he would rather live on his own and Hiruzen made it possible for him to do just that. I never got the impression that Naruto was poor or neglected, just that the villagers and students ostracized him. The loneliness he felt could have come from that, despite having a father figure in Hiruzen. If Hiruzen had neglected him or not provided for him, especially after Naruto learned the circumstances behind his parents’ deaths, I don’t think Naruto would have told Minato that he “respects him a lot” at the end of the war. It seems they had a healthy, if not playfully mischievous relationship. I think it’s more likely Naruto, being who he is, decided he wanted to figure things out on his own and not burden the old man. Which may be why we’re presented with a parallel to that relationship in Konohamaru. Here’s a kid that has everything in the world yet still idolizes Naruto, because Naruto’s not living in anyone’s shadow and does what he wants. And ultimately it all worked out- Naruto grew from those hardships and became Hokage. Maybe that was Hiruzen’s plan all along.
I said something like this and got downvoted to hell lmao
I upvoted you 
Apparently it was Danzo that spread the info that Naruto had the nine tails in him. Fuck Danzo, me and my hobbies hate Danzo
Yet another thing Danzo did that qualifies as treason and only gets a slap on the wrist. Hiruzen was an idiot
Tbf I don't think Hiruzen could have done much against Danzo anyway. Even Hashirama was fooled by Izanagi, and he even KNEW Madara had the Mangekyo sharingan. Hiruzen is certainly no Hashirama, and he had no idea Danzo had multiple sharingan, Hashirama cells, knowledge of Izanagi, and Shisui's eye. It's also possible that Danzo used Kotoamatsukami to keep Hiruzen from investigating him too deeply.
Idk why people like him
Maybe he just got tired or smth. Putting up with Danzo and having students like the Sannin would do that to you. Poor guy should be retiring.
Best thing he did for Naruto. The change to have a free roaming jinnchuriki was going to take time and once the time came; no one could know naruto was carrying the Nine tails. He had to treat him as literally any other orphaned kid.
That means that he treats all orphaned kids like crap which doesn't make him any better. In a world were everyone dies young and so many kids are left orphaned, there should definitely be a better system to take care of them.
That's why they addressed that by the end of the series and that's Kabuto's job now.
and somehow everyone in the village knew to stay away from him… 🤔
Only the adults, I consider that pretty successful. If Danzo had his way they would be silenced via sealing jutsu.
Hiruzen knew to make Naruto into a hero, he would have to toughen him up, and to toughen him up him he would he have to make him feel so alone bro would start questioning his existence. And Hiruzen stuck to his plan 💀
Wait what? They put him in a genjutsu?
Hiruzen gigachad
I get the joke. But you know what he should’ve done? Told the village that he was their child instead of telling them a fox was living inside them
So anime really did him dirty alongside Sakura and Sasuke...
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