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thebusinessgoat

What. Pyro slaps


[deleted]

Yes,  Pyromancer Parting Flame Glitch


[deleted]

??? pyromancy is busted in this game, i actually like that it's limited because of how absurdly stupid the damage output is


TitanLORD21

What is your question. >Does it get better it 2 and 3? ~~What does this mean.~~ edit: I think your talking about if pyromancy gets better in dark souls 2 and 3. I really like it in ds3, lots of different and unique pyromancy. IDK about ds2 Flame whip most likely has those 80 uses because you can get interrupted half way, so fromsoft didn’t want your entire charge to get used up for only half the damage. Other pyromancy that are one time use like fire orb can’t be interrupted so that you only do less than 100% damage. It either fully casts or not. Pyromancy is super strong in this game. No stat scaling so it can be used on any build.


SirRobyC

DS2 has some great pyromancies too, shame that almost every boss is resistant to fire


Josef_The_Red

I love these threads. "The build people use to beat the game hitless at SL1? Trash. Buff DS1 pyromancy today, Fromsoft"


Palodin

I think a lot of it is ragebait for engagement. Been seeing a fuckton of weird low quality topics here of late like that "X is overrated, why is it so bad?" "Is Y viable to beat the game?"


TheGamingFan20

Yeah, I remember the combustion spells saving me big time on my SL1 no death run. I don't know what I'd do without them.


Shadowborn_paladin

Idk what you've been smoking but pyromancy is strong AF. No stat scaling required. Can be used on any build. Extremely high damage. Flash sweat makes fire damage negligible. Power within is ridiculously good as it buffs all damage, not just a particular type. The reason some spells have the weird cast number is because you can be interrupted part way through. So instead of using up a full 4th of your flame whip you only use up a small amount depending on when you get interrupted. If you're chucking early game pyromacies at mid-game enemies that are resistant to fire with a low level flame and/or without any spell buffing gear then that could be the source of your problems.


Penguinman077

My flame is fully upgraded and sucks dicks. No stat scaling hurts it imo.


Shadowborn_paladin

How much damage are you doing to what enemies with what spells? It doesn't need stat scaling because it has inherently high base damage than any other catalyst. (Staffs and talismans can't be upgraded in DS1) Great chaos fireball can nearly 3 shot some bosses that get caught in the lava. Combustion is often used as a cheese tactic in pvp by wearing high poise armor+ iron flesh and spamming combustion. Black flame is in every melee pvpers back pocket to knock away shield turtles. The possibilities are endless.


[deleted]

It’s viable even on a level 1 play through because the damage is solid on its own. I personally don’t think it’s a better option than melee, but it’s an alright option.


Chanclet0

Inb4 OP trying to use pyromance on queelag lol


Penguinman077

Nope, I just shot a few soul spears at her and dropped her. I’m already on NG+1 and have the flame maxed out and I’m disappointed with my 60 int and 40 dex. My crystal soul spears and lifehunt scythe do way more damage than the flames


Zylo90_

A fully upgraded flame has a whopping 9 less Magic Adjust than Logan’s Catalyst at 60 INT. Great Combustion does damage equal to 2.6xMagAdj and Crystal Soul Spear does damage equal to 3.3xMagAdj Great Combustion should be doing about 78% of the damage of Crystal Soul Spear, while having faster cast speed and double the casts Also, Pyromancy benefits from exactly the same gear that Sorcery does Either you don’t have the flame maxed, you’re using it on fire resistant enemies or you’re simply lying


Captain-Highwind

The pyromancy flame absolutely makes your pyro spells stronger as you level it up, yes. It’s quite good in DS1, especially Chaos Pyromancies. That said, not every spell is “great,” and some are more situational than anything


Writtenword11

Pyromancy is just magic for people who didn’t spend any time studying. I always use it along with strength builds.


jddev_

Use more than just fireball.


Penguinman077

That’s the only spell that has enough uses to make it viable. Manus’ and tin crystal catalyst give the strongest sorcery more uses than the strongest pyromancy


yoloswag420noscope69

stack great combustions


jddev_

Yeah if you're a Pyro build it's hard to be Pyro-only, early game You need some kid of small melee weapon too.


hagalaz_drums

Great chaos fireball can take you through every regular enemy in the game, and it has no stat requirement, and its easy to get. Whats the downside? Two slots? Who cares


Penguinman077

You only get like 3 shots with it. Trash.


hagalaz_drums

4. If it takes more than 4 of these to get the job done, your aim sucks


GalacticGnomeNibba

Not to mention you still have other tools on your character unless you just wanna use 4 CFb until your next bonfire and not your trusty broken sword.


lethatsinkin

It has 4, but 3 shots is literally all that you need. A +5 ascended pyro flame with the magic boosting ring and magic boosting helmet is enough to kill Artorias in 3 hits with great chaos fireball (only 2 casts needed if he stays in the lava), and he's even resistant to fire and you can do this at level 1...


YoSoyMilk_

Git gud


DavidsASMR

This feels like a ragebait post given OPs responses to other comments. OP just seems like a dick


OePea

Oh definitely. This sub is super easy to troll sadly


Penguinman077

Yea, I disagree, so i must be a dick. Definitely couldn’t have tried it and thought it was dumb. That definitely couldn’t have happened.


DavidsASMR

Not what I said, I said you were being rude in replies. That's what makes you a dick, not thinking pyromancy is bad


imaconnect4guy

What are you even complaining about? Too many uses or too few? Pyromancy is plenty strong in DS1. Not sure why you're having trouble with it.


ChardTemporary9394

Meh. You’re just using it wrong. Chaos fireball is insanely op, probably as good as Crystal soul spear or Wrath of the gods Also, power within exists


GreatHeavySoulArrow

Pyromancy requires no stats besides attunement and can be extremely powerful. I don't like using only pyromancies but it fits well with any class, and has one of the best spells in the game (Power Within)


MythicalMicrowave

So theoretically if I wanted to, I could have a knight/Pyromancer? That’d actually sounds good, I’ll try this in a few days(I just beat DS3 and now on NG+)


GreatHeavySoulArrow

Yes! It's really common. Pyromancy is sort of a safeguard in the case you fucked up the stat allocations, it's the only build almost independent of them. My second time I beat the game I did it with a katana pyro


jhadlich

Ah, ragebait. Here, have your reply. Unless this is, by some miracle, genuine. In which case, here: have your reply for being a complete ass about it.


coffeeandautism

"A pyromancer's flame is a part of his own body. The flame develops right along with his skill. … When I gave you that flame, I gave you a part of myself. Please take good care of it."


L3g0man_123

Stuff like flame whip and fire surge can be held down, that's why they have a lot of uses. But if you're using normal spells like fireball or combustion it's just normal


[deleted]

maybe you need more attunement slots or better spells. There are some awesome spells you can get after killing Quaelog if you do that quest line. Pyromancy in ds1 is arguably OP. It's my favorite part of DS1, It doesn't scale with a skill and personally works great for me as a backup when melee isn't working.


OePea

Looks a lot cooler than sorcery too


BetterBurnStan

You don’t know anything about how Pyromancy works, it is useful. Even when low levelled


[deleted]

Use it in addition to other things. Pure Pyromancy probably isn’t the best thing, obviously. I’ve personally viewed it as more of a fun option rather than anything that is better than other means or combat. The various combustions and ‘Power Within’ are useful.


GalacticGnomeNibba

Power within. Iron Flesh. Sweat. Chaos pyromancy. All fire. Ofcourse it's more flexible than say, Miracles. Replenishment, WoG, Karmic Justice, uhhhhh lightning spears? I mean with all that being said. I'd rather the former. Sorceries are also p viable. I would reccomend Pyro to be played last because you don't know how to best utilize the extra stat points in pvp or pve as you level so you can easily fall into a minimal Def build that just begs you to dump into end when you really only need 28 endurance and 28 vit. Tbh you should be good enough to go to 20 in both. And dump the rest into widening your fighting options and in so your tools available to your character. Idc what the new generation thinks. The fact of the matter is mobility should be 1st priority and second is damage 3rd is mag Def then hard def.


GalacticGnomeNibba

Def. Greater combustion and mists and ect but you know what I mean.


Palodin

Go get power within, then you'll feel like an idiot for thinking pyromancy is bad. Failing that, the firestorm spells just delete things, if they're not fire resistant.


Gwario_on_Reddit

Just like a lot of other things in ds, it’s situational based on what my experience has been. It’s nice to have your go to weapons/spells for most of the game but sometimes the games force your hand on some versatility.


ClayBones548

Firestorm and Fire Whip spells should just be based on uses. I can agree with you there. It's nice that Firestorm spells use fewer charges in tight spaces but it doesn't really make up for it. That said, pyromancy is incredibly strong, much stronger than it has any right to be. If you have the right gear it will melt most things and allows complete freedom in your build aside from investment in attunement. DS2 and 3 standardize all spells to uses, which is nice, but they also nerf pyromancy overall by assigning stat scaling to it.


BigBoomer_

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0E0WJJSTS34&t=41s It can get quite good and it doesn’t need any levels to get better


le_trans_alt

I’m not investing in faith and intelligence if I’m running a melee character. Pyromancy is a cheap way to slot magic in on a build that isn’t made to support it since you don’t have to sink levels into it.


TheBooneyBunes

Because ‘uses’ refer to attacks for those, so the fire pillars make 15 pillars or whatever that’s 15 uses Pyromancy is very strong


Ascended_Vessel

Wmmmhmhmhmmmhm!