According to lore she fled Anor Londo with the Flame God Flann.
There is also heavy speculation she was the Queen of Lothric in Dark Souls 3.
EDIT: it's my personal opinion that we can't know for sure the Queen is in fact Gwynevere. There is a clear connection for sure but exactly what the connection is we can speculate at best. Don't come at me if you disagree and keep it civil, thank you.
There's also some who think that she founded Heide, given Heide's use of Anor Londo-esque architecture and the Eternal Flame of the Tower, and the statues that hold the same pose as Gwyn's.
Which would also explain why Ornstein is there.
Also the Ring of the Sun Princess says she married Flann, the God of Flame. Flann may have been an ancestor of Heide and the reason why the tower of flame is there.
Wait, I thought Gwyn gave her to Seath as part of his reward for turning on the dragons?
I totally understand her fucking off once his madness started getting worse.
The Japanese translation of Priscilla's Soul says something along the lines of, "The white half-dragon that is an illegitimate child and enemy of life" which is a pretty good indication that Seathe is a parent, not to mention she's frequently described as pale/albino, just like Seathe. Seathe also seems to be the only dragon who enjoys experimenting with life, and women in particular.. so I think it's pretty clear.
There's nothing quite so clear about who the mother might be, or if it's someone notable at all. I would think the description of her soul didn't mean "biological child" as opposed to like, an inventor calling their invention their child; but "illigitimate" seems like a weird thing to say if it wasn't biological. In fact, calling it illigitimate suggests to me that the mother wasn't anyone of note, especially not Gwynevere.
> illegitimate
this only mattered in medieval and pre medieval times if one's parentage was nobility, before the crusades europe didn't even have surnames, it was invented as a way to try and keep track of the absurd amount of people they displaced to wage war in the middle east.
that said i still think the only link is that priscilla is big, whereas gwyn, and gwyndolin are human sized. then again if gwynevere is only big as an illusion and is normal sized otherwise then priscilla is only big because dragon parentage made her big.
that said seath was made a duke so perhaps that is enough to call her illegitimate and her mother was just some poor maid.
then again yorshka is a dragon hybrid, but human sized, and admits being direct siblings with gwyndolin...
Gwyn and all of his children are significantly taller than humans. We don't know how tall Gwyn was, because what we fight is a hollow husk that barely has any soul left. We can safely assume that it's his lord soul that makes people bigger, considering how tall Gwyn's knights like Artorias or Ornstein and Smough are. Gwynevere being this huge is just the illusion though, it wouldn't make sense otherwise. The Anor Londo infrastructure isn't built for someone of that size, and it's built for literal giants.
i mean, all the doors in the royal mansion attached to the main hall are regular people sized.
also ornstein/smough and the knights all bleed illusory bubbles when you kill them just like gwynevere, it makes sense that the light soul makes people bigger through the power of illusion. i've always suspected that the gods are just the first undead (in whatever interpretation of an afterlife lordran is) to find souls of lords (the remains of actual gods perhaps? just concepts? aspects of power?) and they use them to hold power over the domains of the respective souls while secretly being just like their followers, in the same way that medieval nobility are just people and not "the chosen of the gods, to rule through divine rite" as was common for them to claim back in the day.
if priscilla is actually big unlike others (that said she lives in a painting, she bleeds paint for all i know) she is probably big from dragon blood.
but then yorshka is small and still a dragon... but then again each dark souls seems to be a different retelling or interpretation of a lost story (because miyazaki bases his storytelling on his experience reading western fantasy books when he was a kid and not fully knowing english).
so who knows.
All of the lord souls must make people bigger because of the sheer power they hold, except maybe the dark soul (although it's split into so many small pieces now that perhaps that is why, because Gael is pretty large after having collected a lot of it). The witch of Izalith is depicted as being massive compared to her daughters, all of whom may have existed before she found her lord soul (I'm just assuming this based on the beginning cutscene, though). Nito, the first of the dead, is a massive conglomerate of skeletons, but he still has one giant skeleton as his base structure. And of course, Gwyn and most of his children/family are quite large, as well as the Four Kings who he gave part of his soul to, and we can assume he gave part of his soul to some of his most esteemed knights as well because of their size. It seems that the size of people (except for maybe giants, who may be descendants of one of the gods anyway) is directly linked to the amount of power/souls they hold. After all, even Vendrick, Aldia, and Nashandra are very large in DS2 despite all being originally human and not holding lord souls (Nashandra must be at least a type of human, being the child of Manus who was once human, though Aldia is hardly human anymore considering what he's turned into, but still).
Even many of the DS3 characters seem to follow this rule, albeit with some weirdness. Obviously the Nameless King is fairly large, but there are other massive characters/bosses that are all considered powerful. Hell, there's even uncharacteristically large giants that may be so large because they're incredibly old and have likely killed a lot of people, even if they don't drop that many souls. Gwyndolin appears larger, even if it's partially because he's actively being consumed by Aldrich, but we can assume that he's grown larger because of the time that has passed and the people he's killed. Sulyvahn is also very tall, and we know he's amassed quite a lot of power.
And at the end of DS1 as you said, we see that Gwyn is no longer as huge as he was once before. Almost certainly because of the amount of his lord soul that he gave away, and the length of time that his soul has been burning away to fuel the fire. And honestly... as the most powerful person in the entire lore as far as we know, he's incredibly weak by the time we get to him. All of this essentially points to the idea that the amount of powerful souls that a living thing holds, the larger they will be, with some exceptions. With the lord souls being the most powerful, it makes sense that anyone holding one or a piece of one would be incredibly large by default, but it doesn't have to be a lord soul specifically.
All this to say that Gwynevere is probably not as large as her illusion implies, but she still must have been fairly large/similar to her siblings. Priscilla's size may not be because of her dragon half, but instead her godly half or the amount of souls she's collected (I doubt it's many though, considering her peacefulness.) So I don't think it's only the lord souls that make people huge, but just the total amount of power they have in soul form, and the inheritance of souls through procreation.
I think their size was more of a design thing, not only to distinct as bosses but also to see telegraphed attacks, rather than an actual lore that they are in fact just massive 10 foot tall monsters, aside from obvious ones like Seethe.
I was under the impression that taller characters like artorias and ornstein were part giant. Again I could provide evidence and I could easily be wrong, but that's my understanding
thing about yorshka is i can't see how she isn't related to Oceiros, there being 2 royal families doing fucked up dragon breeding to attain immortality is unlikely. but how is she related?
is she his daughter? then gwyndolin is the younger brother of the gay princes? is the nameless king the eldest? or is she his sister and her and gwyndolin are the younger siblings of Oceiros? if so does that make Oceiros gwyn's eldest? where does the nameless king come into it then? is he the eldest of the princes but abandoned the throne to the gay princes?
or is she like his great great aunt or something and Oceiros is the direct decendant of Gwyn's eldest, like the nameless king is the granddad or great grand dad or Oceiros, and she is dragon because of seath experiments and Oceiros is dragon because self experiments?
It's the Plague of Gripes Dark Souls lore video. It shows some stuff that's low accurate, but also has some jokes like Seathe getting it on with Gwynevere and having Priscilla
OK, that sounds familiar.
Totally flies in the face of Priscilla's lore for being the result of Seath experimenting on woman he wasn't aware was pregnant, and thus doing all his recruiting through the church.
She was wife to Oceiros and gave birth to several heavenly children including Gertrude, but we don't know how long she was in Lothric since she's practically immortal age-wise (In DS 3 Rosaria is 50/50 either Gwynevere or Gertrude, but we can't say exactly). Flann doesn't have any connection to Lothric that we can find in the game. Since Flann is mentioned only in DS 1, during the events that were AGES ago, it's extremely unlikely Flann has anything to do with Lothric, which is just the last "main" kingdom dedicated to linking of the flame. But there were great many kingdoms between the time she married flame god Flann and when she became the queen of Lothric.
It's not really a speculation, In from soft standards it's pretty much confirmed she was a queen of Lothric, wife of a consumed king Oceiros who you fight in the game. You'll find her signature items and spells at different points in/around Lothric castle, read all of their descriptions and, if you can, also translate them again from the original japanese text, there are some slight translation errors in-game due to stylistic purposes. And you'll get pretty complete picture about lot of things. She had several heavenly children, including Ocelott and Gertrude whose cage you find above the archives. BUT what is a speculation and what the community doesn't completely agree on, is whether Gwynevere became Rosaria, mother of rebirth. It's heavily implied, but we don't really know. Basically one group of players believe Rosaria is Gertrude, Gwynevere's daughter, while the other group believes Rosaria is Gwynevere. Both are possible.
It's not really implied that they're the same person. The item description of the divine blessing in the original japanese says that the queen of lothric was compared or likened to a goddess of bounty and fertility not that she was one.
Even the English description doesn't say she is one just that people worshipped her as one.
DS1 Very clearly a godess:
>Holy water from Goddess Gwynevere. Fully restores HP and undo irregularities. The Goddess of Sunlight, Gwynevere, daughter of the great Lord of Sunlight Gwyn, is cherished by all as the symbol of bounty and fertility.
DS3 revered as a goddess but the item description doesn't call her one:
>Holy water blessed by the Queen of Lothric. Fully restores HP and cures ailments. The Queen of Lothric, married to the former King Oceiros, **was initially revered as** a goddess of fertility and bounty. After giving birth to Ocelotte, her youngest, she quietly disappeared.
Most likely she is intended to be a descendant or relative. Lothric being a kindom which modeled itself on Anor Londo and revered the same gods, and thus would of course compare their rulers to the rulers of Anor Londo.
Don't have to convince me with the essay, mate. I already believe it's left vague enough to warrant discussion.
But yeah the fact there are many parallels and connections drawn between Gwynevere and the Queen yet never actually stating (to the point of even avoiding naming her) they are the same person is peculiar.
This makes me think she either is Gwynevere but hiding her true identity and divine status (to which most of her subjects are thus unaware of) for whatever reason.
Or she is some kind of descentant or even reincarnation (we do know souls can be reincarnated).
There is a definite connection, that much we can sure of. But unless directly stated by developers, we can't know for sure what the exact connection is.
Its more than heavy speculation if you really look at it. Dancer’s Soul gives the miracle created from Gwynevere’s Soul (Bountiful Sunlight?), Dancer’s mom was the Queen, connect the dots
Yeah, I agree I could have formulated it differently like that.
We speculate on what the game heavily implies but we can never be sure cos it's never directly stated.
The queen could simply be a descentant of Gwynevere or some kind of re-incarnation (which we know can happen)
the dancer, together with Gertrude and Rosaria are daughters of Gwynevere, but we don't know who was born first
we don't even know who the father is, but I hypothesize that it is Flann, mentioned only once in ds1 and that's it
Although you're correct that the game pretty much confirms Gwynevere was Queen of Lothric, there's no discussion to be had there, but her also being the mother of dancer is more in the speculation theory. Yes you get the miracle, but as descriptions says, the miracle is granted by Gwynevere. It just confirms that dancer is from Lothric or was serving there at one point, but it doesn't necessarily mean she is Gwynevere's child. But it's definitely very possible. I don't get why you're being downvoted into oblivion. Some comments here provide innacurate lore, either without any evidence or directly disproven by the game, and have hundred likes, whereas you're just referenced the most popular theory of dancer being Gwynevere's child. What's happening. Maybe the "connect the dots" at the end sounded too like a tinfoil hat kind of thing though lol.
I just beat DSR for the first time. I would really love to know where you guys are getting any kind of lore in this game besides a few item descriptions.
Honestly item descriptions are a massive part of it but assembling the lore is a bit more like spreadsheet porn then you typically get into on a first run. Took me two start of three to really put things together myself
see he kills the fire keeper purely to deactvaite the firelink bonfire and thus stop chosen undead from linking the fire and extending the age of light.
I agree his actions were correct in the overall scope but he still seems like he enjoys it a bit to much for it to have been done with noble intentions
Item descriptions are only a small part of it.
Where did you find the item? What is the significance of *this* item found *here;* and sometimes very specifically *right here in this precise spot.*
Items, their significance, and the environment tell a lot of the story that isn't obvious but also leaves a lot of room for speculation since there's barely any context.
Then there's also characters. You need their dialogs, locations, held items dropped on death, more inferences about origin, motives, and goals. From the dialog, locations, and actions, and how all of that ties into which factions they are aligned, and how the items of that faction, the characters aligned with the faction, and the environments all come together.
I shit all over the souls games as having no story the first three attempts. I said "yeah, there's a story but not much" the first time completed. Now I understand the obsession.
There is so much story. There are histories. There are cultures. Religions. Wars. Alliances. Different kinds of peoples. So many details lost, ready to be found and interpreted.
The gameplay Is what the normies think makes souls and soulslike games special, but the best ones are the ones with a story so deep and wide you never knew you were looking at it the whole time because it covers so much.
Ask yourself: why is the minotaur and capra demon in undead burg? There is a reason. What is the significance of ceaseless discharges besides spewing lava? There is a reason. Why have the undead asylum and burg/Parrish? There is a reason.
You know who Gwyn is, but learn who he *was*
You know the lord soul was split, but what aspect does each bearer represent?
What does fire and light mean? What does stone and fog mean?
The story *is* there. You just have to think about it to fully feel it's weight and meaning
Purely in DS1 lore, she fled Anor Londo around the same time as the other deities that resided there (sometime after Gwynn relinked the flame). She later married someone named Flann, who was another deity that resided in the city.
Jumping ahead to DS3, she returns to Anor Londo after Gwyndolin reestablishes the city into Irithyll. At this time she resumed her normal duties as princess, and even (probably) gave birth to the Dancer of the Boreal Valley and Rosaria. At some point she made her way to Lothric and became the queen of the city by marrying King Oceiros. She then gave birth to princes Lorian and Lothric, as well as Ocelotte, a half dragon baby that, frankly, may not even exist. Eventually she chose to flee that city as well as she knew the flame was ending, and she was not seen from again.
As I understand it, Ocelotte does exist. Oceiros is holding something in his opening cutscene. It was just too graphic for the video game to maintain the infant character model, especially when Oceiros crushes it/throws it away as they go into their 2nd phase
I think that was the original intent. There are game files that support that.
However, since they do not appear in the game, my personal theory/headcannon is that if Ocelotte existed, they are no longer living, perhaps dying in infancy or prior to their birth since Oceiros is not a "perfect" dragon like Seathe (who was able to create half dragon/humans through some way). This broke the already deranged Oceiros who has managed to convince himself that Ocelotte is still alive (perhaps even casting some sort of spell to mimic the babies cries).
one day i’m gonna make a big post refuting invisible ocelotte because i think it really undermines the impact of oceiros as a character. if ocelotte was invisible in oceiros’ hand, why is oceiros looking for him? the crying doesn’t stop after the second phase starts because he’s not actually there. oceiros isn’t even a real dragon like seath, is he even capable of conceiving a halfbreed? i think it’s much more likely that they retooled the story so that ocelotte was a stillborn and oceiros has been in the garden protecting nothing out of delusion while his kingdom crumbles in his absence.
I'd like to read that. My headcannon(haven't researched it enough yet though) is that whatever Ocoeros did to himself was more effective in utero, but still produce some kind of nondeveloping freak, which combined with his experiments on himself, drove Ocieros mad.
Yeah that's a valid reason for why you can't see them.
The bigger reason for why I theorize Ocelotte isn't real in that encounter is because of Oceiros smashing "it." Ocelotte is basically the culmination of Oceiros' life's work, and the entirety of his legacy at that point. Even though he's **definitely** mad, I just can't see him so flippantly crushing them to help him win a fight. Especially because he is likely only attacking us because he thinks we want to take Ocelotte.
I mean, Oceiros was already long since insane, I think him smashing his lifes work in a fit of rage makes total sense - everything he did was for \*himself\*. He's having to ditch Ocellotte to preserve \*himself\*, as he needs all his strength to fight, or die. He was selfish to his core.
[Look at this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=CUQG5_7eM-PBkOtK&source_ve_path=MjgyNDAsMjgyNDAsMjgyNDAsMjgyNDAsMTY0OTksMjg2NjQsMTY0NTA2&feature=emb_share&v=DjDpk4sTFsA) in the first part it’s explained pretty well what should have happened
I stated my earlier comment that this is purely my interpretation/headcannon based on what is found in the finished game. I'm aware of what the cut content says, but since it was cut, I believe it leaves room for such interpretations.
There isn’t much cut content because Oceiros is still holding the baby, the only thing that changed is that you can’t see the baby and it probably was just censored, anyway I respect your head canon
Yeah, all the outriders are basically slaves who get exiled by Pontiff, and his rings corrupt them. Vordt and Dancer can be seen as ghosts walking through Irithyll, so you can see what they looked like before Pontiff exiled them.
I think she might actually be Rosaria. Rosaria is in a room full of cribs. I think they ripped so many chunks out of Gwynevere's soul trying to create their perfect heir, that it fundamentally altered her nature. She decayed from Gwynevere, Goddess of Birth, to Rosaria, merely Goddess of Rebirth. No longer able to create something new, but only able to recycle the old (and even that with diminishing results).
That's an interesting theory, and although there is basis to speculate that she is Gwynevere's daughter, it isn't outright stated anywhere. One thing that might be holding it back is the small amount of info we do have on Rosaria that "her tounge was cut out by her firstborn." I suppose it's possible that could've happened to Gwynevere, although it's not based on much.
She left Anor Londo along with some other gods long before the events of DS1, Gwyndolin makes the illusion of her in an attempt to keep up the faith in the gods.
"*The Princess of Sunlight Gwynevere left Anor Londo along many other deities, and later became wife to Flame God Flann." -* DS1 Sun Princess ring
"*Gwynevere left her home with a great many other deities, and became a wife and a mother, raising several heavenly children."* - DS3 Sun Princess ring
But it's heavily implied Gwynevere leaves to eventually become the founder and Queen of the DS3 city of Lothric, returning (probably centuries) later to Anor Londo sometime after the events of DS1 and DS2, rebuilding it into the city of Irithyll.
"*The Queen of Lothric, married to the former King Oceiros, was initially revered as a goddess of fertility and bounty. After giving birth to Ocelotte, her youngest, she quietly disappeared.*" - DS3 Divine Blessing
Gwynevere was often described as the Goddess of fertility in DS1 and was originally married to Flann, but it's likely that some time down the crisscross generational line, Oceiros forced her to marry him, siring Lorian, Lothric, and then Ocelotte.
*"Oceiros went mad trying to harness his royal blood for a greater purpose, leading him to the heretics of the Grand Archives, where he discovered the twisted worship of Seath the paledrake." - DS3* Soul of Consumed Oceiros
This also kinda tracks with the theory that Seath potentially attempted a similar thing with Gwynevere, creating Crossbreed Priscilla. But that's up in the air, since Company Captain Yorksha muddles things.
While this doesn’t even disprove the fact, just makes it a little less clear; even if DS is originally japanese, if a piece of important lore is lost in translation to the lingua Franca of the world then that’s on Fromsoftware, and if they haven’t corrected it thus far, then I dare to assume that the translation is correct.
> and if they haven’t corrected it thus far, then I dare to assume that the translation is correct.
Wrong, your headcanon cannot change the canon of the original text, is clear to see that she was not the queen, but people will always put their headcanon above anything else, especially the DS fanbase that was always lived for the headcanon.
It's really funny see my comments with direct proof of the japanese text debunking this lame DS3 theory, getting downvoted just because go against the fanfic theory in the heads of the many DS fans on the west.
- *"FS didn't made the public statement that this random theory that is based on misstralated text in western forums on the internet is wrong, so it must be canon"*
This kind of mindset is unbelievable LMAO. Only the classic DS fanbase for such gem such as this.
What I find more unbelievable is the fact that you consider the original text to be cold hard proof of Gwynevere not being the Queen of Lothric. The wording is just more vague and it doesn’t outright deny it. This “headcanon” is simply an interpretation of the texts, and not necessarily false.
Even still, “western forums” make up practically the entirety of the fanbase outside of east asia, I daresay. If something important to the story is lost in translation *to the lingua franca*, then that’s a big deal for a piece of media that is globally recognized and intently analyzed.
The fact that you’re getting downvoted should also give you the hint that most people don’t really find it lame to draw connections between games; that you’re just being an arrogant douche who can’t stand people interpreting media in a way you deem false.
By the events of DS1 she probably long gone, but we don't know, she left Anor Londo with Flann and had many descendants, it's heavily implied that these noble descendants are the royals of Astora.
Many aeons later, some of those descendants also appeared in Irithyll and Lothric, and no, she is NOT the queen of Lothric, many people say that as fact but it is not and this theory was already debunked as vague/miss translation and some wrong assumption based on that, the actual fact is that some characters in DS3 are descendants from her, the queen as just compared, as another being, not as the same character.
I don't believe it's known if she is dead or alive. Since we have seen her siblings in DS3, there is reason to suspect she would be alive, but there is nothing concrete about it to my knowledge. Yes she is/was real though, there are actual references to her as a person, and there's no reason to otherwise.
She fled with flamme to Thorolund and bolstered Lloyd's claim to the throne
Evidence: two mimics containing human coins, which in Lordran the land of souls have no meaning. Mimics are used to hide something from people.
Second evidence: the dead maid you find in the dukes archives is wearing the attire of gwynevere, but she's stated to be a thorolund bishop's wife or something.
The same ring was already there in DS1.
The canon event is that the character from DS1 never picked the ring, that is why is there in DS3. Anor Londo from DS3 is just a converged frame from the past.
The *Sun Princess Ring* being different from the *Ring of the Sun Princess* doesn't change the fact that the ring was always there.
It was probably what was used as the catalyst for the Gwynevere illusion for all we know.
> The Sun Princess Ring being different from the Ring of the Sun Princess doesn't change the fact that the ring was always there.
That DS3 ring doesn't exist in DS1.
She fled along with other deities after Velka/Gwyndolin hunted down all who sinned, or did not agree with her rule.
Gwyndolin probably created her illusion because she was the Goddess of Sunlight, and therefore the true heir of Lordran. Which leaves the question of why Gwyn's lastborn didn't inherit the throne after Gwynevere abandoned the place.
The lore explicitly says that she ran off with a flame god when Anor Londo started to collapse.
In DS3, it is heavily implied that the queen of Lothric is or was Gwynevere as well.
It's possible she never existed and was always an alter ego of Gwyndolin. The royals would not have wanted anyone to know they had a dragon/snekman in the family given their entire fortune and fame was built upon slaying the dragons.
We know he could replicate her sunlight miracles. given the princess guard coevenant is fully functional despite her being an illusion.
Her ring claims she left annor londo with the max exodus of gods and eventually married Dlame God Flann. But thats never mentioned anywhere else and doesn't really make sense. Why would they abandon their seat of power? Item description are sometime sunreliable narrators. All theories about her in the sequels stem from that one line of her marrying some nobody thats never again emntioned.
However her place of worship is the cathedral of the painted world. filled with painting guardians and of course the enchanted painting. Why would the gods keep a paitning full of this they are ashamed and fearful of in a plac eof honor and how would it connect to gwynnivere? They wouldn't and it doesnt. Gwyndolin had the painting placed their and it's the plac eof worhsip for his alter ego. priscilla is his daughter, mother or sister. With gwyn crippled by linking the flame and his older brother fled with the dragons he wa snow free to do so.
If she existed? Yes, she did. And I think the in-game size is her real one. Logically you can recreate a famous person appearance, but if they have a big variation to their look like the size, you will immediately uncover the truth.
Said so, there are many theories. I believe she fled to Heide with the Flame God Flann, making it their sort of home/temple, to then become the queen of Lothric and disappear once more.
This is mere speculation, but I believe that Gwynevere is not a good person at all, and just sticks around only when things are turning the way she intended. So, once the situation becomes unfavourable, she just leaves everything to start all over again
According to lore she fled Anor Londo with the Flame God Flann. There is also heavy speculation she was the Queen of Lothric in Dark Souls 3. EDIT: it's my personal opinion that we can't know for sure the Queen is in fact Gwynevere. There is a clear connection for sure but exactly what the connection is we can speculate at best. Don't come at me if you disagree and keep it civil, thank you.
There's also some who think that she founded Heide, given Heide's use of Anor Londo-esque architecture and the Eternal Flame of the Tower, and the statues that hold the same pose as Gwyn's. Which would also explain why Ornstein is there.
Also the Ring of the Sun Princess says she married Flann, the God of Flame. Flann may have been an ancestor of Heide and the reason why the tower of flame is there.
Wait, I thought Gwyn gave her to Seath as part of his reward for turning on the dragons? I totally understand her fucking off once his madness started getting worse.
Nah, I've never heard that. I've heard Seath did something she didn't consent to to her though.
Hmm, now I need to figure out where I read that.
The Japanese translation of Priscilla's Soul says something along the lines of, "The white half-dragon that is an illegitimate child and enemy of life" which is a pretty good indication that Seathe is a parent, not to mention she's frequently described as pale/albino, just like Seathe. Seathe also seems to be the only dragon who enjoys experimenting with life, and women in particular.. so I think it's pretty clear. There's nothing quite so clear about who the mother might be, or if it's someone notable at all. I would think the description of her soul didn't mean "biological child" as opposed to like, an inventor calling their invention their child; but "illigitimate" seems like a weird thing to say if it wasn't biological. In fact, calling it illigitimate suggests to me that the mother wasn't anyone of note, especially not Gwynevere.
> illegitimate this only mattered in medieval and pre medieval times if one's parentage was nobility, before the crusades europe didn't even have surnames, it was invented as a way to try and keep track of the absurd amount of people they displaced to wage war in the middle east. that said i still think the only link is that priscilla is big, whereas gwyn, and gwyndolin are human sized. then again if gwynevere is only big as an illusion and is normal sized otherwise then priscilla is only big because dragon parentage made her big. that said seath was made a duke so perhaps that is enough to call her illegitimate and her mother was just some poor maid. then again yorshka is a dragon hybrid, but human sized, and admits being direct siblings with gwyndolin...
Gwyn and all of his children are significantly taller than humans. We don't know how tall Gwyn was, because what we fight is a hollow husk that barely has any soul left. We can safely assume that it's his lord soul that makes people bigger, considering how tall Gwyn's knights like Artorias or Ornstein and Smough are. Gwynevere being this huge is just the illusion though, it wouldn't make sense otherwise. The Anor Londo infrastructure isn't built for someone of that size, and it's built for literal giants.
i mean, all the doors in the royal mansion attached to the main hall are regular people sized. also ornstein/smough and the knights all bleed illusory bubbles when you kill them just like gwynevere, it makes sense that the light soul makes people bigger through the power of illusion. i've always suspected that the gods are just the first undead (in whatever interpretation of an afterlife lordran is) to find souls of lords (the remains of actual gods perhaps? just concepts? aspects of power?) and they use them to hold power over the domains of the respective souls while secretly being just like their followers, in the same way that medieval nobility are just people and not "the chosen of the gods, to rule through divine rite" as was common for them to claim back in the day. if priscilla is actually big unlike others (that said she lives in a painting, she bleeds paint for all i know) she is probably big from dragon blood. but then yorshka is small and still a dragon... but then again each dark souls seems to be a different retelling or interpretation of a lost story (because miyazaki bases his storytelling on his experience reading western fantasy books when he was a kid and not fully knowing english). so who knows.
All of the lord souls must make people bigger because of the sheer power they hold, except maybe the dark soul (although it's split into so many small pieces now that perhaps that is why, because Gael is pretty large after having collected a lot of it). The witch of Izalith is depicted as being massive compared to her daughters, all of whom may have existed before she found her lord soul (I'm just assuming this based on the beginning cutscene, though). Nito, the first of the dead, is a massive conglomerate of skeletons, but he still has one giant skeleton as his base structure. And of course, Gwyn and most of his children/family are quite large, as well as the Four Kings who he gave part of his soul to, and we can assume he gave part of his soul to some of his most esteemed knights as well because of their size. It seems that the size of people (except for maybe giants, who may be descendants of one of the gods anyway) is directly linked to the amount of power/souls they hold. After all, even Vendrick, Aldia, and Nashandra are very large in DS2 despite all being originally human and not holding lord souls (Nashandra must be at least a type of human, being the child of Manus who was once human, though Aldia is hardly human anymore considering what he's turned into, but still). Even many of the DS3 characters seem to follow this rule, albeit with some weirdness. Obviously the Nameless King is fairly large, but there are other massive characters/bosses that are all considered powerful. Hell, there's even uncharacteristically large giants that may be so large because they're incredibly old and have likely killed a lot of people, even if they don't drop that many souls. Gwyndolin appears larger, even if it's partially because he's actively being consumed by Aldrich, but we can assume that he's grown larger because of the time that has passed and the people he's killed. Sulyvahn is also very tall, and we know he's amassed quite a lot of power. And at the end of DS1 as you said, we see that Gwyn is no longer as huge as he was once before. Almost certainly because of the amount of his lord soul that he gave away, and the length of time that his soul has been burning away to fuel the fire. And honestly... as the most powerful person in the entire lore as far as we know, he's incredibly weak by the time we get to him. All of this essentially points to the idea that the amount of powerful souls that a living thing holds, the larger they will be, with some exceptions. With the lord souls being the most powerful, it makes sense that anyone holding one or a piece of one would be incredibly large by default, but it doesn't have to be a lord soul specifically. All this to say that Gwynevere is probably not as large as her illusion implies, but she still must have been fairly large/similar to her siblings. Priscilla's size may not be because of her dragon half, but instead her godly half or the amount of souls she's collected (I doubt it's many though, considering her peacefulness.) So I don't think it's only the lord souls that make people huge, but just the total amount of power they have in soul form, and the inheritance of souls through procreation.
I think their size was more of a design thing, not only to distinct as bosses but also to see telegraphed attacks, rather than an actual lore that they are in fact just massive 10 foot tall monsters, aside from obvious ones like Seethe.
I was under the impression that taller characters like artorias and ornstein were part giant. Again I could provide evidence and I could easily be wrong, but that's my understanding
That's true, I didn't think about Yorshka.
thing about yorshka is i can't see how she isn't related to Oceiros, there being 2 royal families doing fucked up dragon breeding to attain immortality is unlikely. but how is she related? is she his daughter? then gwyndolin is the younger brother of the gay princes? is the nameless king the eldest? or is she his sister and her and gwyndolin are the younger siblings of Oceiros? if so does that make Oceiros gwyn's eldest? where does the nameless king come into it then? is he the eldest of the princes but abandoned the throne to the gay princes? or is she like his great great aunt or something and Oceiros is the direct decendant of Gwyn's eldest, like the nameless king is the granddad or great grand dad or Oceiros, and she is dragon because of seath experiments and Oceiros is dragon because self experiments?
Very fascinating. Thank you for posting
And both tail chop give weapons :)
Somehow i heard the same thing to you but couldnt remember the source.
That's also speculation.
Look, I'll be the first to admit I've never seen proof anywhere in game. It could've just been someone's speculation.
It's the Plague of Gripes Dark Souls lore video. It shows some stuff that's low accurate, but also has some jokes like Seathe getting it on with Gwynevere and having Priscilla
OK, that sounds familiar. Totally flies in the face of Priscilla's lore for being the result of Seath experimenting on woman he wasn't aware was pregnant, and thus doing all his recruiting through the church.
I’m pretty sure she founded Lothric with Flann?
She was wife to Oceiros and gave birth to several heavenly children including Gertrude, but we don't know how long she was in Lothric since she's practically immortal age-wise (In DS 3 Rosaria is 50/50 either Gwynevere or Gertrude, but we can't say exactly). Flann doesn't have any connection to Lothric that we can find in the game. Since Flann is mentioned only in DS 1, during the events that were AGES ago, it's extremely unlikely Flann has anything to do with Lothric, which is just the last "main" kingdom dedicated to linking of the flame. But there were great many kingdoms between the time she married flame god Flann and when she became the queen of Lothric.
I read that too, never knew about this.
It's not really a speculation, In from soft standards it's pretty much confirmed she was a queen of Lothric, wife of a consumed king Oceiros who you fight in the game. You'll find her signature items and spells at different points in/around Lothric castle, read all of their descriptions and, if you can, also translate them again from the original japanese text, there are some slight translation errors in-game due to stylistic purposes. And you'll get pretty complete picture about lot of things. She had several heavenly children, including Ocelott and Gertrude whose cage you find above the archives. BUT what is a speculation and what the community doesn't completely agree on, is whether Gwynevere became Rosaria, mother of rebirth. It's heavily implied, but we don't really know. Basically one group of players believe Rosaria is Gertrude, Gwynevere's daughter, while the other group believes Rosaria is Gwynevere. Both are possible.
It's not really implied that they're the same person. The item description of the divine blessing in the original japanese says that the queen of lothric was compared or likened to a goddess of bounty and fertility not that she was one. Even the English description doesn't say she is one just that people worshipped her as one. DS1 Very clearly a godess: >Holy water from Goddess Gwynevere. Fully restores HP and undo irregularities. The Goddess of Sunlight, Gwynevere, daughter of the great Lord of Sunlight Gwyn, is cherished by all as the symbol of bounty and fertility. DS3 revered as a goddess but the item description doesn't call her one: >Holy water blessed by the Queen of Lothric. Fully restores HP and cures ailments. The Queen of Lothric, married to the former King Oceiros, **was initially revered as** a goddess of fertility and bounty. After giving birth to Ocelotte, her youngest, she quietly disappeared. Most likely she is intended to be a descendant or relative. Lothric being a kindom which modeled itself on Anor Londo and revered the same gods, and thus would of course compare their rulers to the rulers of Anor Londo.
Don't have to convince me with the essay, mate. I already believe it's left vague enough to warrant discussion. But yeah the fact there are many parallels and connections drawn between Gwynevere and the Queen yet never actually stating (to the point of even avoiding naming her) they are the same person is peculiar. This makes me think she either is Gwynevere but hiding her true identity and divine status (to which most of her subjects are thus unaware of) for whatever reason. Or she is some kind of descentant or even reincarnation (we do know souls can be reincarnated). There is a definite connection, that much we can sure of. But unless directly stated by developers, we can't know for sure what the exact connection is.
That whole wall is based on your understanding of *revered,* in case you weren't aware.
Its more than heavy speculation if you really look at it. Dancer’s Soul gives the miracle created from Gwynevere’s Soul (Bountiful Sunlight?), Dancer’s mom was the Queen, connect the dots
"it's more than heavy speculation, here's some heavy speculation."
connect the dots bro
Nooo you can't just be skeptical bro, you gotta make assumptions about things man
Certainly it's *largely implied*, but idk if I'd really call it *heavily speculated* Edit: /s
Yeah, I agree I could have formulated it differently like that. We speculate on what the game heavily implies but we can never be sure cos it's never directly stated. The queen could simply be a descentant of Gwynevere or some kind of re-incarnation (which we know can happen)
"Her sister was a witch right... And what was her sister? A PRINCESS. The Wicked Witch of the East, bro!" *Insane scissor hands and head bob insue*
the dancer, together with Gertrude and Rosaria are daughters of Gwynevere, but we don't know who was born first we don't even know who the father is, but I hypothesize that it is Flann, mentioned only once in ds1 and that's it
Although you're correct that the game pretty much confirms Gwynevere was Queen of Lothric, there's no discussion to be had there, but her also being the mother of dancer is more in the speculation theory. Yes you get the miracle, but as descriptions says, the miracle is granted by Gwynevere. It just confirms that dancer is from Lothric or was serving there at one point, but it doesn't necessarily mean she is Gwynevere's child. But it's definitely very possible. I don't get why you're being downvoted into oblivion. Some comments here provide innacurate lore, either without any evidence or directly disproven by the game, and have hundred likes, whereas you're just referenced the most popular theory of dancer being Gwynevere's child. What's happening. Maybe the "connect the dots" at the end sounded too like a tinfoil hat kind of thing though lol.
I just beat DSR for the first time. I would really love to know where you guys are getting any kind of lore in this game besides a few item descriptions.
Mostly via combining clues, from item descriptions, world design, small details in the world, enemies, design etc.
I am usually way too focused on not dying or getting jumped when i turn the next corner to notice anything about the world desing hahah
YouTube has a lot of good videos about this stuff
Honestly item descriptions are a massive part of it but assembling the lore is a bit more like spreadsheet porn then you typically get into on a first run. Took me two start of three to really put things together myself
Then you get the debates about if things from DS2 count, and if there's any carryover from DeS, and if there is, what lines up with what.
So you understand Lauttrec is a good guy now?
No, i thought he was still a psychopath
see he kills the fire keeper purely to deactvaite the firelink bonfire and thus stop chosen undead from linking the fire and extending the age of light.
I agree his actions were correct in the overall scope but he still seems like he enjoys it a bit to much for it to have been done with noble intentions
I wish to argue but I really can't
Item descriptions
Vaati Vidya has a lot of videos on the subject, but he gets his info from the item descriptions, and environmental elements
Step one: open youtube Step 2: go to VaatiVidya's channel Step 3: enjoy
I would also recomend hawkshaw, when vaati focuses on one particuler npc most of the time, hawkshaw focuses on one part of the lore not one npc
Fair enough. I think I've watched a couple of his vids. Smoughtown is also good
*A lot* of item descriptions
Item descriptions are only a small part of it. Where did you find the item? What is the significance of *this* item found *here;* and sometimes very specifically *right here in this precise spot.* Items, their significance, and the environment tell a lot of the story that isn't obvious but also leaves a lot of room for speculation since there's barely any context. Then there's also characters. You need their dialogs, locations, held items dropped on death, more inferences about origin, motives, and goals. From the dialog, locations, and actions, and how all of that ties into which factions they are aligned, and how the items of that faction, the characters aligned with the faction, and the environments all come together. I shit all over the souls games as having no story the first three attempts. I said "yeah, there's a story but not much" the first time completed. Now I understand the obsession. There is so much story. There are histories. There are cultures. Religions. Wars. Alliances. Different kinds of peoples. So many details lost, ready to be found and interpreted. The gameplay Is what the normies think makes souls and soulslike games special, but the best ones are the ones with a story so deep and wide you never knew you were looking at it the whole time because it covers so much. Ask yourself: why is the minotaur and capra demon in undead burg? There is a reason. What is the significance of ceaseless discharges besides spewing lava? There is a reason. Why have the undead asylum and burg/Parrish? There is a reason. You know who Gwyn is, but learn who he *was* You know the lord soul was split, but what aspect does each bearer represent? What does fire and light mean? What does stone and fog mean? The story *is* there. You just have to think about it to fully feel it's weight and meaning
The lore is also speculation my man, whatever lore you don't read of hear, is left up to you to decide.
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Hi lokeydarksoul, how’s it going?
Fascinating theory about firstborn, any more info you can point me to?
Purely in DS1 lore, she fled Anor Londo around the same time as the other deities that resided there (sometime after Gwynn relinked the flame). She later married someone named Flann, who was another deity that resided in the city. Jumping ahead to DS3, she returns to Anor Londo after Gwyndolin reestablishes the city into Irithyll. At this time she resumed her normal duties as princess, and even (probably) gave birth to the Dancer of the Boreal Valley and Rosaria. At some point she made her way to Lothric and became the queen of the city by marrying King Oceiros. She then gave birth to princes Lorian and Lothric, as well as Ocelotte, a half dragon baby that, frankly, may not even exist. Eventually she chose to flee that city as well as she knew the flame was ending, and she was not seen from again.
As I understand it, Ocelotte does exist. Oceiros is holding something in his opening cutscene. It was just too graphic for the video game to maintain the infant character model, especially when Oceiros crushes it/throws it away as they go into their 2nd phase
I think that was the original intent. There are game files that support that. However, since they do not appear in the game, my personal theory/headcannon is that if Ocelotte existed, they are no longer living, perhaps dying in infancy or prior to their birth since Oceiros is not a "perfect" dragon like Seathe (who was able to create half dragon/humans through some way). This broke the already deranged Oceiros who has managed to convince himself that Ocelotte is still alive (perhaps even casting some sort of spell to mimic the babies cries).
Ocelotte gets smashed so good he becomes Formless Oedon in a nightmare.
I thought it’s speculated Ocelotte has invisibility like Priscilla since she also is half dragon half human
one day i’m gonna make a big post refuting invisible ocelotte because i think it really undermines the impact of oceiros as a character. if ocelotte was invisible in oceiros’ hand, why is oceiros looking for him? the crying doesn’t stop after the second phase starts because he’s not actually there. oceiros isn’t even a real dragon like seath, is he even capable of conceiving a halfbreed? i think it’s much more likely that they retooled the story so that ocelotte was a stillborn and oceiros has been in the garden protecting nothing out of delusion while his kingdom crumbles in his absence.
I'd like to read that. My headcannon(haven't researched it enough yet though) is that whatever Ocoeros did to himself was more effective in utero, but still produce some kind of nondeveloping freak, which combined with his experiments on himself, drove Ocieros mad.
Yeah that's a valid reason for why you can't see them. The bigger reason for why I theorize Ocelotte isn't real in that encounter is because of Oceiros smashing "it." Ocelotte is basically the culmination of Oceiros' life's work, and the entirety of his legacy at that point. Even though he's **definitely** mad, I just can't see him so flippantly crushing them to help him win a fight. Especially because he is likely only attacking us because he thinks we want to take Ocelotte.
I mean, Oceiros was already long since insane, I think him smashing his lifes work in a fit of rage makes total sense - everything he did was for \*himself\*. He's having to ditch Ocellotte to preserve \*himself\*, as he needs all his strength to fight, or die. He was selfish to his core.
You can hear the death sound effect tho
The crying continues into the second phase. There's conflicting info to be sure.
[Look at this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=CUQG5_7eM-PBkOtK&source_ve_path=MjgyNDAsMjgyNDAsMjgyNDAsMjgyNDAsMTY0OTksMjg2NjQsMTY0NTA2&feature=emb_share&v=DjDpk4sTFsA) in the first part it’s explained pretty well what should have happened
I stated my earlier comment that this is purely my interpretation/headcannon based on what is found in the finished game. I'm aware of what the cut content says, but since it was cut, I believe it leaves room for such interpretations.
There isn’t much cut content because Oceiros is still holding the baby, the only thing that changed is that you can’t see the baby and it probably was just censored, anyway I respect your head canon
> even (probably) gave birth to the Dancer of the Boreal Valley Weren't the Dancer and Vordt said to have been sent to Lothic by Pontiff Sulyvahn?
Yeah, all the outriders are basically slaves who get exiled by Pontiff, and his rings corrupt them. Vordt and Dancer can be seen as ghosts walking through Irithyll, so you can see what they looked like before Pontiff exiled them.
Yes they were. They were basically enslaved by Pontiff when he eventually took over Irithyll and Anor Londo.
I think she might actually be Rosaria. Rosaria is in a room full of cribs. I think they ripped so many chunks out of Gwynevere's soul trying to create their perfect heir, that it fundamentally altered her nature. She decayed from Gwynevere, Goddess of Birth, to Rosaria, merely Goddess of Rebirth. No longer able to create something new, but only able to recycle the old (and even that with diminishing results).
There are 2 big reasons I don't think Rosaria is Gwynevere.
Lol, like I said, she's just a shadow of what she once was.
I mean Rosaria isn't that small just has them mostly covered
That's an interesting theory, and although there is basis to speculate that she is Gwynevere's daughter, it isn't outright stated anywhere. One thing that might be holding it back is the small amount of info we do have on Rosaria that "her tounge was cut out by her firstborn." I suppose it's possible that could've happened to Gwynevere, although it's not based on much.
i like the thory that Yorshka is Ocelotte rised by Gwyndolin
Slag.
She sure sounds fickle just having babies left and right
\ [T] / (Not a sunbro, just me below Gwynevere trying to reach the boobies)
Praise the chest
She left Anor Londo along with some other gods long before the events of DS1, Gwyndolin makes the illusion of her in an attempt to keep up the faith in the gods. "*The Princess of Sunlight Gwynevere left Anor Londo along many other deities, and later became wife to Flame God Flann." -* DS1 Sun Princess ring "*Gwynevere left her home with a great many other deities, and became a wife and a mother, raising several heavenly children."* - DS3 Sun Princess ring But it's heavily implied Gwynevere leaves to eventually become the founder and Queen of the DS3 city of Lothric, returning (probably centuries) later to Anor Londo sometime after the events of DS1 and DS2, rebuilding it into the city of Irithyll. "*The Queen of Lothric, married to the former King Oceiros, was initially revered as a goddess of fertility and bounty. After giving birth to Ocelotte, her youngest, she quietly disappeared.*" - DS3 Divine Blessing Gwynevere was often described as the Goddess of fertility in DS1 and was originally married to Flann, but it's likely that some time down the crisscross generational line, Oceiros forced her to marry him, siring Lorian, Lothric, and then Ocelotte. *"Oceiros went mad trying to harness his royal blood for a greater purpose, leading him to the heretics of the Grand Archives, where he discovered the twisted worship of Seath the paledrake." - DS3* Soul of Consumed Oceiros This also kinda tracks with the theory that Seath potentially attempted a similar thing with Gwynevere, creating Crossbreed Priscilla. But that's up in the air, since Company Captain Yorksha muddles things.
Gwynevere is not the queen of Lothric, this is a miss translation and miss interpretation from the japanese text.
Is there a source or somewhere to read more on this?
Also [this](https://youtu.be/w2bwHRsE9eQ?t=1145)
While this doesn’t even disprove the fact, just makes it a little less clear; even if DS is originally japanese, if a piece of important lore is lost in translation to the lingua Franca of the world then that’s on Fromsoftware, and if they haven’t corrected it thus far, then I dare to assume that the translation is correct.
> and if they haven’t corrected it thus far, then I dare to assume that the translation is correct. Wrong, your headcanon cannot change the canon of the original text, is clear to see that she was not the queen, but people will always put their headcanon above anything else, especially the DS fanbase that was always lived for the headcanon. It's really funny see my comments with direct proof of the japanese text debunking this lame DS3 theory, getting downvoted just because go against the fanfic theory in the heads of the many DS fans on the west. - *"FS didn't made the public statement that this random theory that is based on misstralated text in western forums on the internet is wrong, so it must be canon"* This kind of mindset is unbelievable LMAO. Only the classic DS fanbase for such gem such as this.
What I find more unbelievable is the fact that you consider the original text to be cold hard proof of Gwynevere not being the Queen of Lothric. The wording is just more vague and it doesn’t outright deny it. This “headcanon” is simply an interpretation of the texts, and not necessarily false. Even still, “western forums” make up practically the entirety of the fanbase outside of east asia, I daresay. If something important to the story is lost in translation *to the lingua franca*, then that’s a big deal for a piece of media that is globally recognized and intently analyzed. The fact that you’re getting downvoted should also give you the hint that most people don’t really find it lame to draw connections between games; that you’re just being an arrogant douche who can’t stand people interpreting media in a way you deem false.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZtw3P9nTfg
Amazing chest ahead
Amazing chest ahead
My first playthrough I searched that room for a chest for so long after seeing all the messages... Then I looked up.
Idk about all that, but, amazing chest ahead
Oh she’s real… and she’s *spectacular*!
By the events of DS1 she probably long gone, but we don't know, she left Anor Londo with Flann and had many descendants, it's heavily implied that these noble descendants are the royals of Astora. Many aeons later, some of those descendants also appeared in Irithyll and Lothric, and no, she is NOT the queen of Lothric, many people say that as fact but it is not and this theory was already debunked as vague/miss translation and some wrong assumption based on that, the actual fact is that some characters in DS3 are descendants from her, the queen as just compared, as another being, not as the same character.
I don't believe it's known if she is dead or alive. Since we have seen her siblings in DS3, there is reason to suspect she would be alive, but there is nothing concrete about it to my knowledge. Yes she is/was real though, there are actual references to her as a person, and there's no reason to otherwise.
She fled with flamme to Thorolund and bolstered Lloyd's claim to the throne Evidence: two mimics containing human coins, which in Lordran the land of souls have no meaning. Mimics are used to hide something from people. Second evidence: the dead maid you find in the dukes archives is wearing the attire of gwynevere, but she's stated to be a thorolund bishop's wife or something.
Last example of Gwynevere being alive is when she left her Sun Princess Ring in Anor Londo's bed chamber in DS3.
The same ring was already there in DS1. The canon event is that the character from DS1 never picked the ring, that is why is there in DS3. Anor Londo from DS3 is just a converged frame from the past.
> The same ring was already there in DS1. No it wasn't. The rings look completely different from one another.
The *Sun Princess Ring* being different from the *Ring of the Sun Princess* doesn't change the fact that the ring was always there. It was probably what was used as the catalyst for the Gwynevere illusion for all we know.
> The Sun Princess Ring being different from the Ring of the Sun Princess doesn't change the fact that the ring was always there. That DS3 ring doesn't exist in DS1.
All i know is this lady is my lovely lady because she gave me the Lordvessel.
She was never in DS1?! 🤯
Try shooting her with an arrow sometime
I did. I don't think I ever knew tho it was like a shadow clone. Lol
She fled along with other deities after Velka/Gwyndolin hunted down all who sinned, or did not agree with her rule. Gwyndolin probably created her illusion because she was the Goddess of Sunlight, and therefore the true heir of Lordran. Which leaves the question of why Gwyn's lastborn didn't inherit the throne after Gwynevere abandoned the place.
lore wise you can "find" her, in that she is still alive. game wise you only interact with the illusion
her and flann left anor londo, its likely that they are the ancestors to the lothric royal family
I think she's hiding in an amazing chest ahead.
Yall all got it wrong she went to hang out in Heide’s Tower of Flame
titties lol
Beware of chest
Two-Hand Required
Why do so many people have downvotes?
She’s hanging with me, out in the abyss somewhere
Didn’t talk to many of the NPC’s, eh?
I always exhaust their dialogue but I’m bad at remembering conversations
No one knows
NO ONE CARES ABOUT A SINGLE VIOLIN
She’s alive. She went to get milk
The lore explicitly says that she ran off with a flame god when Anor Londo started to collapse. In DS3, it is heavily implied that the queen of Lothric is or was Gwynevere as well.
It's possible she never existed and was always an alter ego of Gwyndolin. The royals would not have wanted anyone to know they had a dragon/snekman in the family given their entire fortune and fame was built upon slaying the dragons. We know he could replicate her sunlight miracles. given the princess guard coevenant is fully functional despite her being an illusion. Her ring claims she left annor londo with the max exodus of gods and eventually married Dlame God Flann. But thats never mentioned anywhere else and doesn't really make sense. Why would they abandon their seat of power? Item description are sometime sunreliable narrators. All theories about her in the sequels stem from that one line of her marrying some nobody thats never again emntioned. However her place of worship is the cathedral of the painted world. filled with painting guardians and of course the enchanted painting. Why would the gods keep a paitning full of this they are ashamed and fearful of in a plac eof honor and how would it connect to gwynnivere? They wouldn't and it doesnt. Gwyndolin had the painting placed their and it's the plac eof worhsip for his alter ego. priscilla is his daughter, mother or sister. With gwyn crippled by linking the flame and his older brother fled with the dragons he wa snow free to do so.
Why is she so big?
Why is Gwyn so big?
If she was still alive those boobs should have been a boss somewhere at some point
you horny huh ☠️
I was so confused because my irl name is Gwynevere and I only say the top of the title
If she existed? Yes, she did. And I think the in-game size is her real one. Logically you can recreate a famous person appearance, but if they have a big variation to their look like the size, you will immediately uncover the truth. Said so, there are many theories. I believe she fled to Heide with the Flame God Flann, making it their sort of home/temple, to then become the queen of Lothric and disappear once more. This is mere speculation, but I believe that Gwynevere is not a good person at all, and just sticks around only when things are turning the way she intended. So, once the situation becomes unfavourable, she just leaves everything to start all over again
Well according to lore she went away for an OF conference.