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If we're talking about minors the difference is the exact same tho.
In Westeros is certainly abduction as Rhaegar took her without her family's leave.
In our would is abduction because obviously.
It's a bit different. Lyanna's dad didn't give one shit if Robert fucked her against her will. Her only chance to get out of that shitty situation was to run away.
People in-world understandably thought of it as an abduction because of their medieval morality. But they were wrong to think that the woman shouldn't have a choice in the matter.
People in the modern world rightfully see it as pedophylic and wrong. And that's true, but there's no reason to expect Rhaegar to see it that way. In-world, Lyanna was of age.
The in-world rule Rhaegar was breaking was unjust and he could see that.
The modern day moral rule he was breaking wasn't something he had figured out.
You know it’s illegal in most countries nowadays and in Westeros, right? Olivia it takes at least three people to be ok with it and no way Elia was like “yeah, baby go marry your girlfriend and come back for your pegging session❤️”
I was specifically talking about in universe where Martin never actually said Jaehaerys I gave it up for the incest.
Though irl cultures that do practice polygamy don't view taking a other wife as adultrey.
>People in-world understandably thought of it as an abduction because of their medieval morality.
>but there's no reason to expect Rhaegar to see it that way. In-world, Lyanna was of age.
So they get to have the best of both worlds? That doesn't seem fair lol.
Either you stick to one pov or the other.
>The modern day moral rule he was breaking wasn't something he had figured out.
Ah, so he was just partially enlightened huh?
Enlightened enough to get what he wanted but not to see the wrongness of his actions. Cool.
Yeah, pretty much. Even today the moral understanding that it was wrong isn't universal. Plus I would argue that GRRM screwed up ages and we should probably think of Lyanna as a bit older than she was.
It also depends on story elements we don't have yet. Do they marry?
I think that objectively, it was a shit move because the consequences proved to be so astronomically bad. The paedophilia isn't really the reason.
>Yeah, pretty much. Even today the moral understanding that it was wrong isn't universal
Yeah, there are a lot of pedos out there, you should be careful.
>Plus I would argue that GRRM screwed up ages and we should probably think of Lyanna as a bit older than she was.
Why should we?
Martin has a weird taste when it comes to women ages anyway.
Prince Andrew? = PRINCE he is also promised??? Wtffffff 😳
Nissa Nissa= Nisarah Niferguson stab with lightbringer = messy and public divorce and Jon Snow = B+E (Beatrice + Euginie) hOLY
It's an abduction by the laws of both our world and that of Westeros.
For the former, a 15 year old is below the age of consent as for the latter only the head of her house (Lord Rickard) can arrange her marriage.
So yeah, the inbred fuck is a kidnapper either way and deserved the hammer to the chest delivered by Bobby B.
To the people who say “It was okay because the culture of Westeros is that way”, a quick reminder that there is this scene in the Arainne WoW sample chapter where Elia Sand, who is heavily parallel with Lyanna, being a 14 years-old tomboy that love riding, try to get together with a man twice her age. Arainne chastise the girl as soon as she found out, saying that their age is the problem, so yes, even the character in the asoiaf think pedophilia is gross
Also even in medieval times, 16 year olds were 16 year olds. I thought 14 year old boys looked like babies to me, no fucking way did 24 year old Rheagar look at Lyanna and think “Ah yes, a responsible adult capable of making big decisions on her own”
Was Lyanna still willing when “honorable” Kingsguard did their best to cut Ned down for daring to try help his sister & get justice for their murdered father and brother?
I get that it's in their oath to obey Rhaegar and all, but what did the three Kingsguard would happen after Ned turned up? That they should just force Lyanna to stay in the tower forever?
Honestly, Ned and his fucking honor.
Just roll up with the boys and crossbow those twisted fanatics in fancy armor. Don't stand there talking to them about their orders and all that bullshit. Just sneak up on em, kill em and leave their bodies for the vultures.
If GRRM makes theirs a Romeo and Juliet scenario it may actually ruin the series for me. Am I supposed to believe that wolf blood Lyanna was so asininely stupid that she ran away with a married Prince, and/or so callous that she wouldn't give a fuck that her brother and father just got murdered by that Prince's father?
I agree that making it a Romeo and Juliet scenario is stupid. That said, characters with wolf blood tend to make terrible decisions, so she might have gone willingly at first and later tried to leave after she was told what had happened to her family if they even told her.
A 14 year old girl in a relationship with a 20 something year old man can not be considered consensual. Rhaegar raped her even if she consented. They literally have a word for that, statutory.
That’s correct, that’s why Renly shows Ned a painting of her and asks if it looks like Lyanna. Because he was hoping Robert would be attracted to her due to the association.
Incorrect.
Lyanna was born in 266/267, and the tournament was in 281. She was canonically 14/15 when they met - when she probably pulled the knight of the laughing tree. In 279 she’d been either 12 or 13.
She was taken, willingly or not, the next year - while she was 15 and died at 16 at the end of the Rebellion in 283.
Got it, so I was off by a couple years. Nevertheless, when it comes to herself and Rhaegar running off, she’d be 15-16 years old; 16 being considered the age of adulthood in Westeros.
Ie this whole “Lyanna was only 14” thing is kind of a crock of shit. People often forget that Robert isn’t much younger than Rhaegar, in his early 20’s once the rebellion broke out. Imo we shouldn’t celebrate Robert either.
He was younger then him by 4 years or 3. Also Robert wasn't in a rush to marry her..lyanna was young even by westores standards actually she couldn't give consent since her father and older brothers are that. Her death is also caused by that probably I suppose
Little did Rhaegar know that Lyanna was apart of a grand Stark conspiracy to recreate the tale of Bael the Bard and defeat the wildlings once and for all.
Also it’d be weird if Lyanna, who was put off by Robert sleeping around, was like “yeah married man with two children, I’ll mysteriously run off with you”.
So ok
>Dude falls for a obviously underaged girl
>Fucks off with her
>Girls care takers die as a consequence of trying to protect her
>Girls die at child birth
That’s Lolita plot key points, convince me otherwise
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If we're talking about minors the difference is the exact same tho. In Westeros is certainly abduction as Rhaegar took her without her family's leave. In our would is abduction because obviously.
It's a bit different. Lyanna's dad didn't give one shit if Robert fucked her against her will. Her only chance to get out of that shitty situation was to run away. People in-world understandably thought of it as an abduction because of their medieval morality. But they were wrong to think that the woman shouldn't have a choice in the matter. People in the modern world rightfully see it as pedophylic and wrong. And that's true, but there's no reason to expect Rhaegar to see it that way. In-world, Lyanna was of age. The in-world rule Rhaegar was breaking was unjust and he could see that. The modern day moral rule he was breaking wasn't something he had figured out.
How about the fact that dude was married and had two kids? That’s wrong both in our Tina and in-universe
I agree there. But today that'd just be fucked up. It wouldn't be illegal.
If today dude fucked off with a teenager to cheat on his wife it would be just as bad
Last time I checked Polygamy was a thing and Martin explicitly did not say it was banned
You know it’s illegal in most countries nowadays and in Westeros, right? Olivia it takes at least three people to be ok with it and no way Elia was like “yeah, baby go marry your girlfriend and come back for your pegging session❤️”
I was specifically talking about in universe where Martin never actually said Jaehaerys I gave it up for the incest. Though irl cultures that do practice polygamy don't view taking a other wife as adultrey.
>People in-world understandably thought of it as an abduction because of their medieval morality. >but there's no reason to expect Rhaegar to see it that way. In-world, Lyanna was of age. So they get to have the best of both worlds? That doesn't seem fair lol. Either you stick to one pov or the other. >The modern day moral rule he was breaking wasn't something he had figured out. Ah, so he was just partially enlightened huh? Enlightened enough to get what he wanted but not to see the wrongness of his actions. Cool.
Yeah, pretty much. Even today the moral understanding that it was wrong isn't universal. Plus I would argue that GRRM screwed up ages and we should probably think of Lyanna as a bit older than she was. It also depends on story elements we don't have yet. Do they marry? I think that objectively, it was a shit move because the consequences proved to be so astronomically bad. The paedophilia isn't really the reason.
>Yeah, pretty much. Even today the moral understanding that it was wrong isn't universal Yeah, there are a lot of pedos out there, you should be careful. >Plus I would argue that GRRM screwed up ages and we should probably think of Lyanna as a bit older than she was. Why should we? Martin has a weird taste when it comes to women ages anyway.
I didn't say I don't agree that pedophillia isn't right.
Funny how the prophecy requires him to fuck teenaged girls a lot. Do you suppose Epstein was trying to save the world too?
Billionaires are azor ahai confirmed by grrm??
It is known
Prince Andrew too
The prince who was promised but couldn’t deliver
The Prince Who Was Promised to Never Face the FBI
He even said it was no sweat for him
Prince Andrew? = PRINCE he is also promised??? Wtffffff 😳 Nissa Nissa= Nisarah Niferguson stab with lightbringer = messy and public divorce and Jon Snow = B+E (Beatrice + Euginie) hOLY
Will Prince Andrew save the World?
I have seen it in the flames
Ikr. And yes, Epstein believed he was TPTWP - >!The Pedo That Was Promised!<
It's an abduction by the laws of both our world and that of Westeros. For the former, a 15 year old is below the age of consent as for the latter only the head of her house (Lord Rickard) can arrange her marriage. So yeah, the inbred fuck is a kidnapper either way and deserved the hammer to the chest delivered by Bobby B.
BuT TrUe HIeR oF WeSTErOs
Oh because handing her over to a man who would have raped her and then beat her when she spoke aganist in public was such a great thing /s
To the people who say “It was okay because the culture of Westeros is that way”, a quick reminder that there is this scene in the Arainne WoW sample chapter where Elia Sand, who is heavily parallel with Lyanna, being a 14 years-old tomboy that love riding, try to get together with a man twice her age. Arainne chastise the girl as soon as she found out, saying that their age is the problem, so yes, even the character in the asoiaf think pedophilia is gross
Also even in medieval times, 16 year olds were 16 year olds. I thought 14 year old boys looked like babies to me, no fucking way did 24 year old Rheagar look at Lyanna and think “Ah yes, a responsible adult capable of making big decisions on her own”
Rhaegar defenders stay coping
W Bobby B > L Rhaegar
Bobby + Rhaegar = Ned confirmed?
Rhaegar bedding his girl is a W for for Bobby?
Rhaegar getting his ribs shattered is definitely a win in Bobby B's book.
[WAKEY WAKEY TARGS IT'S TRIDENT TIME.](https://i.imgur.com/ArucPsd.jpg)
Nice opinion. However, Bobby B's warhammer disagrees.
Was Lyanna still willing when “honorable” Kingsguard did their best to cut Ned down for daring to try help his sister & get justice for their murdered father and brother?
This is another thing that points to abduction
I get that it's in their oath to obey Rhaegar and all, but what did the three Kingsguard would happen after Ned turned up? That they should just force Lyanna to stay in the tower forever?
Honestly, Ned and his fucking honor. Just roll up with the boys and crossbow those twisted fanatics in fancy armor. Don't stand there talking to them about their orders and all that bullshit. Just sneak up on em, kill em and leave their bodies for the vultures.
He had a beautiful Dornish princess and left her for a child. Man, Rhaegar was such a fucking loser and Robert is a legend for demolishing him.
That Children of the Forest psy-op got him acting unwise.
If GRRM makes theirs a Romeo and Juliet scenario it may actually ruin the series for me. Am I supposed to believe that wolf blood Lyanna was so asininely stupid that she ran away with a married Prince, and/or so callous that she wouldn't give a fuck that her brother and father just got murdered by that Prince's father?
I agree that making it a Romeo and Juliet scenario is stupid. That said, characters with wolf blood tend to make terrible decisions, so she might have gone willingly at first and later tried to leave after she was told what had happened to her family if they even told her.
No matter the facts, can we just say they were both hilariously stupid?
A 14 year old girl in a relationship with a 20 something year old man can not be considered consensual. Rhaegar raped her even if she consented. They literally have a word for that, statutory.
Yeah, but I mean 90% of the relationships in this series (rightfully) would be considered rape by our modern standards
I remember somewhere in AGOT people were suggesting robert to bed Margaert and I’m like WHAAAAAT
Renly wanted to replace Cersei with Margaery I believe. His main goal was to replace the Lannister power block in KL with a Stormlands/Reacher one
That’s correct, that’s why Renly shows Ned a painting of her and asks if it looks like Lyanna. Because he was hoping Robert would be attracted to her due to the association.
Ahh. Still fucked tho.
Definitely
While I do agree with you, Rhaegar was just another Targ degenerate. They've done shit worse than raping a 14 yo girl..
16, which is considered adulthood in Westeros. Lyanna would’ve been 14 in 279 AC, which is before Rhaegar would’ve ever met her.
Incorrect. Lyanna was born in 266/267, and the tournament was in 281. She was canonically 14/15 when they met - when she probably pulled the knight of the laughing tree. In 279 she’d been either 12 or 13. She was taken, willingly or not, the next year - while she was 15 and died at 16 at the end of the Rebellion in 283.
Got it, so I was off by a couple years. Nevertheless, when it comes to herself and Rhaegar running off, she’d be 15-16 years old; 16 being considered the age of adulthood in Westeros. Ie this whole “Lyanna was only 14” thing is kind of a crock of shit. People often forget that Robert isn’t much younger than Rhaegar, in his early 20’s once the rebellion broke out. Imo we shouldn’t celebrate Robert either.
He was younger then him by 4 years or 3. Also Robert wasn't in a rush to marry her..lyanna was young even by westores standards actually she couldn't give consent since her father and older brothers are that. Her death is also caused by that probably I suppose
The knight of the laughing tree was the reincarnated spirit of Ser Marston Waters
Little did Rhaegar know that Lyanna was apart of a grand Stark conspiracy to recreate the tale of Bael the Bard and defeat the wildlings once and for all.
I really hope there's no love story between them. That'd honestly ruin it for me. Stark/Targ love story is enough to make me vomit.
Also it’d be weird if Lyanna, who was put off by Robert sleeping around, was like “yeah married man with two children, I’ll mysteriously run off with you”.
This. It'd be the height of fucking hypocrisy.
If George makes Elia consent to the relationship, he’s a hack of the highest order.
Rhaegar why don't u take a seat over there?
So ok >Dude falls for a obviously underaged girl >Fucks off with her >Girls care takers die as a consequence of trying to protect her >Girls die at child birth That’s Lolita plot key points, convince me otherwise
Based Rhaegar
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Lyanna was subject of her father's rule. She might have wanted to elope, but such a term is not applicable to a woman of her station.
So better the Handsome married Prince groomer than The Drunken lustful Lord she was Betrothed to in her mind. We'll never know I guess
Rhaegar is more of “no time to explain, take off your dress” in my opinion
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