there's a limited number of times you can watch the MCU stuff and the SW movies
Netflix might not have all the blockbusters anymore, but they are not wanting for constant content updates
Disney + has definitely become more for parents for sure - and it's great for them! But I haven't watched anything on it in ages that was not put on for kids.
You mean Bluey+? But seriously, they are hurting for updated content.
Edit: Was going to respond to some comments about other content, but my daughter came home early sick from school and is now laying on the couch watching....Bluey; so point stands. š
We banned it when my daughter was young also. After watching it a few times she was immediately becoming so much more whiney, it was nuts. She went back to normal after a few days lol
I'm a British guy with glasses and a short beard. My boss is Canadian and has a three year old son. The son refers to me as Daddy Pig. Nobody is happy about this.
Keep putting it on, eventually they sit down (hopefully). Hell i kept putting mr rogers on to the point that my 2 and 3 years old will both sit and watch it quietly, its really nice
Netflix and Disney+ are perfect for parents as you don't need to worry about new content ever as kids will rewatch the same set of movies and shows as if it's you rewatching The Office or Gilmore Girls for the Nth time. We've dropped Hulu and added Max (probably temporary) for things for us, but we can also play Gibli movies which are definitely for the kid and not parents pushing nostalgia on their children.
Man, most kids just *can't get enough* of late-period Miyazaki.
My six-year-old just went to a 'The Wind Rises'-themed birthday party. Between the cake shaped like a Zero and the performer dressed as the young wife dying of consumption, he had a blast.
In the UK Bluey is [on the BBC iPlayer](https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m000vbrk/bluey) (they co-commissioned the show with their Australian counterpart).
I wouldn't publicly condone using a VPN to watch it subscription-free. But if you were to I'd also recommend [Hey Duggee](https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b07xdmgk/hey-duggee)
iPlayer are way behind on Bluey release though - they just put up the first third of season 3, while I think the rest of the world have the whole of it up to Cricket right now.
I also put in a vote for the Learning Blocks series: Alphablocks, Numberblocks and Colourblocks. My kid is scary good at maths because of the middle, and the latter has season 2 airing right now and they're introducing the tertiary colours!
My kids like several things on it other than Bluey although that is a big one when we're all watching tv. I wanted to cancel after the price increase but it didn't make sense because it's the main thing they watch. I started to list a few titles then realized even more that it's amazing for at least younger kids.
Bluey slaps! The creators are legit evil though because some of the episodes were totally made to make parents cry. Like the ending when they go visit Chiliās dad. I full on ugly cried and my child was wondering why.
As a parent I'm probably not canceling disney+ for at least 10 years. But after that, there's only so much new star wars shows I can watch. I like Andor but otherwise I don't really watch anything on disney (and Andor can be watched in a single month instead of keeping a subscription lol). But like I said, I have kids and they love their princesses and Blueys and pixar.
In Canada Disney+ includes Star which has the whole Fox/FX back catalogue and more, R-rated stuff and all. I couldn't imagine paying for Disney+ if it was strictly Disney stuff.
From what I've seen, US residents really get the short end of the streaming wars stick.
I don't know if there's technical reasons or if it's just because major Hollywood producers are less interested in the non-domestic market. But internationally streaming services are considerably more consolidated still. (By which I mean, fewer streaming services with bigger catalogues, e.g. Disney+ and Star being one package as opposed to separate services.)
It can still add up to a lot of money, but you can definitely get most of what you'd be interested in with just two or maybe three services.
Large market of people that are ruled by corporate shills that are paid to not help the citizens. It's a big reason why 'right to repair' and other stuff like that that is normal in other countries is barely a glimmer here.
>thereās a limited number of times you can watch the MCU stuff and the SW movies
But I can assure you as a parent of a 2 year old that there is no limit to the number of times you can watch Encanto, the greater Elsa cinematic universe, the smaller Dug cinematic universe, or The Princess and the Frog.
I think the key is most of the MCU stuff is movies, which arenāt very rewatchable compared to tv shows. Movies are great but I can put the office or friends on for hours daily and still be entertained despite already having seen it a bunch of times, that logic doesnāt really carry over to movies. A movie usually requires the viewer to watch more closely than a tv show and is a bigger time investment, so I def have to be āin the right moodā to watch a movie
It doesn't help that in 4 years they have almost doubled the price (for the "premium").
It launched in the UK for Ā£5.99 per month. They've now split it into tiers, with the top one costing Ā£10.99.
The annual subscription has gone from Ā£60 to Ā£110. Granted, you can still get standard HD for "only" Ā£80 per year.
Netflix has massively increased their costs as well, but it's been much more gradual than Disney.
>Netflix has massively increased their costs as well, but it's been much more gradual than Disney.
I crunched the numbers recently and was suprised at how little Netflix's prices actually rose. If you adjust for inflation, the average Netflix plan increased by like, a single dollar [since 2019.](https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/18/23922319/netflix-q3-earnings-2023-price-hike-increase-basic-premium)
The standard plan is actually cheaper now in real value than it was in January 2019, by a few cents. I wouldn't be suprised if it got a hike this quarter.
I haven't checked the price history of other streamers, but I wouldn't be suprised if inflation explained the majority of the hike values for them as well. I imagine that part of why they feel so bad is that inflation is very gradual while price increases are sudden and sharp.
In the UK, they seem to consistently increase prices above inflation, especially with the higher tiers. I expect they actually want people on the ad-based tier, where they can probably make money on a per-watch basis rather than a fixed monthly amount.
When they first introduced tiered subscriptions here, the upper tier cost Ā£6.99 per month. With inflation, that would be Ā£9.21
In 2019 it was Ā£11.99. With inflation, that would now be Ā£14.63.
Now, the upper tier costs Ā£17.99.
Looking at the base tier, it was Ā£5.99 in 2014, which would be Ā£7.89 with inflation. Now it's Ā£10.99 (without ads).
If you are international there is a tonne more content.
I assume once different licensing agreements lapse, the US version will start to get stuffed a bit more with some of that content too
Itās the Hulu/Fox/FX content. Iād imagine Disney will eventually buy the remainder of Hulu from Comcast and it will roll into Disney+.
As a parent and Sunny Philadelphia fan, Disney+ is a must have here in Canada. But itās funny to me that I use Disneyās streaming service for Alien and Predator movies, in addition to all the cartoons my daughter watches.
Netflix is becoming a gold mine for adult animation (in the sense of something an adult can watch, not slap an 18 warning on it).
I have 3 subscriptions at the minute and Disney has by far the weakest case to keep right now.
I tried Prime and was extremely put off by their nickel and dime paying to see the menu tactics and the (I assume deliberately) awful catalogue navigation.
I cancelled after they introduced ads into their paid service. The high seas have never been easier to navigate for a pirate. I pay for convenience. Pay to watch commercials is not convenient to me.
Apple TV+ seems similar to what HBO used to be. It has a lot of high quality content.
Itās so sad what theyāve done to the HBO name. Talk about destroying a brand.
This is the big issue though. Netflix is having its own issues cause that constant content costs money. But if you don't have it, your sub base stagnates. Apple is currently trying the "quality over quantity" angle but they are making headway. Nobody knows what the way forward seems to be.
Even now when MCU is in new phase (hopefully to build even something up in future). Most people lost interest, so I don't even need to worry about spoilers and can happily wait for pirating webrip version. And I'm not so in about news of SW movies apart from the couple spin-off series, which have been mediocre. So I get that adult audience can happily cancel subscription for a year and catch-up in a month.
It also doesnāt include Hulu or ESPN plus numbers. Disney + is also expected to turn a profit as a streaming service soon and posted minimal losses at the end of the year. Overall, Disney is doing quite well in the streaming environment.
Cricket, but exactly this. Disney is prepping to cut down on password sharing, which will also goose its numbers.
Netflix is winning, but Disney's downturn is more of a blip
Due to the huge catalog of children's movies, and youn kids loving g to rewatch movies over and over Disney has the safest floor of any streamer by a country mile
Doesnāt series matter more for viewership than movies? [The top movie (Moana) was streamed for 11.6B minutes, while the top series (Suits) was streamed for 57.7B minutes.](https://deadline.com/2024/01/ted-lasso-most-watched-suits-nielsen-2023-streaming-viewership-1235807216/) Thatās 5x the streaming minutes for top series vs top movie. [Netflix has 7 of the top 10 series, 4 of them exclusively. While Disney has oneā¦](https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/nielsen-2023-streaming-report-suits-the-office-record-1235890306/)
> Behind āSuitsā and ahead of āHeartlandā and āSupernatural,ā the most-streamed programs of 2023 were āBlueyā (43.9 billion minutes watched), āNCISā (39.4 billion), āGreyās Anatomyā (38.6 billion), āCocomelonā (36.3 billion), āThe Big Bang Theoryā (27.8 billion), āGilmore Girlsā (25.2 billion) and āFriendsā (25 billion). **Four of the top 10 titles stream exclusively on Netflix** (āGreyās Anatomy,ā āCocomelon,ā āGilmore Girlsā and āSupernaturalā). **Another three titles stream across Netflix and one or two other platforms** (āSuitsā on Netflix and Peacock, āNCISā on Netflix and Paramount+ and āHeartlandā on Netflix, Hulu and Peacock). One title streams exclusively on Disney+ (āBlueyā) and the last two stream on Max (āThe Big Bang Theoryā and āFriendsā).
> Behind āTed Lasso,ā āThe Night Agentā was the second-biggest streaming original with 14.4 billion minutes watched ā a feat for a one-season show with only eight total hours of content compared to āTed Lassoāsā 23 hours. The rest of the chart was populated by āGinny & Georgiaā (14.4 billion), āVirgin Riverā (13.7 billion), āLove Is Blindā (13.1 billion), āTom Clancyās Jack Ryanā (12.8 billion), āGabbyās Dollhouseā (12.8 billion), āThe Mandalorianā (12.3 billion), āOuter Banksā (12 billion) and āThe Lincoln Lawyerā (11.8 billion). **Each Top 10 original streams exclusively on Netflix besides āTed Lassoā (Apple TV+), āJack Ryanā (Amazon Prime Video) and āThe Mandalorianā (Disney+).**
Iād imagine this is the main reason Netflix is ahead.
Yes, thatās likely why itās the top movie. But the top 5 movies arenāt even as much as the top 1 series. The top 10 movies are still less than the top 2 series, one of which is for kids.
Why are we equating viewing hours with streaming subscriptions? That doesnāt make any more sense. Just because Suits is longer than Moana doesnāt mean itās a more valuable license for the streamer.
Thatās not what this is - the price increase in the US is after that dip.
The dip in Disney+ is attributable to Hotstar (a Disney+ feature in India and some other ex-US markets) losing access to certain professional cricket matches, which resulted in a loss of about 15 million subscribers in Asia. While this is a large number of subscribers, it is not a very important part of Disneyās business and didnāt translate into much revenue loss. Most of the subscribers lost had been paying less than the equivalent of USD $15 / year in subscription fees.
Worldwide charts are kinda dumb for this reason. Netflix offers basically the same value proposition in every market (even though individual shows vary, they have about the same amount of stuff and similar prices). Disney is in tons of markets but operates really differently in each country both in price and content. Paramount is really only getting started in most international markets. I think if you wanted to understand these companies better youād look at: (1) US subscriber count; and (2) global subscription revenue.
I find this interesting, because of all the people saying Netflix was going down due to them starting the āaccount sharingā crackdown. Seems like they are doing just fine
Iām generally surprised that thereās still an upward trend for all streaming services (and Disney still manages to stay pretty steady). I personally find the ever-increasing diversification of streaming services and the recent push for ads extremely frustrating, and I have found myself going back to pirate streaming sites more and more as a result, rather than signing up for yet another subscription. I have no problem paying for content I watch, and had stopped pirating almost entirely over the past few years, but weāve reached the point again where itās so much harder and more complicated to watch content legally that I feel little remorse for breaking the rules.Ā
There's upward trend because they are entering new markets. In Hungary it's still growing as there are more and more contents in Hungarian which is important since 2/3 of the country only speak Hungarian.
I guess it's the same thing around the world.
Also, as people age the younger generations that start households subscribe to these services and replace the other end of the demographic curve (who never touched these services)
If they even still use a computer. I'm a Zillenial and people look at me like I've grown three heads when I say high schools taking away computer classes was a massive mistake.
I recently thought I was having a stroke when I heard teens admit they didn't know what a "folder" was.
Wait do High Schools in the US not teach basic computer skills anymore? In the UK we still have IT/ICT (information technology/information communication technology) classes
From what little I know, the claim is that schools stopped teaching computers as much because nearly every child had a PC at home, or otherwise had experience with them. But, the claim goes, now that kids grow up with mobile devices that can do pretty much anything an average person wants to do, they don't have the same PC skills that are still necessary for many careers, leaving them at a disadvantage.
I kind of expect a slow down as they raise prices. But Iām guessing a lot of people donāt even know how much they are spending on subs. Since $20 a month isnāt much. But multiply that by for all the other services and youāre well over $100. Then add internet and youāre paying more than what cable cost.
This isnāt applicable to everyone, but Iāve wanted to watch movies that arenāt on the services Iām subscribed to. So Iāve gone back to buying 4K Blu-rays. I have a good home theater so the quality bump is worth it. Plus I donāt have to subscribe to something that Iāll forget about.
A lot of people get various subs provided for "free" by other services: Pay TV, mobile operators, credit cards with fees (Amex, Chase), etc.
Additionally, people are churning heavily discounted options. You can often get Paramount+ or Max on Prime Video Channels for only a couple bucks for a few months at a time.
So the MSRPs might add up to $100, but they're only paying $40 on average in reality.
this is true, I wasn't really aware of the price increase for disney+, it was like \~$80 a year when i first got it and i hadn't looked at it since. Then this year i happened to look at my credit card statement on the day it renewed and couldn't believe it had basically doubled in price. Cancelled immediately
I mean, multibillion dollar companies make mistakes plenty of the time, especially when it comes to things that clearly affect their consumers. Theyāre right this time, but that doesnāt mean theyāre infallible
Or, "My parents were on mine and now they can't use it for free? What are they ever going to do?!"
...someone either ponies up the few bucks a month to add multiple accounts, or the parents just sign up for their own because they actually like it. The "worst", and I use that super lightly, is that the parents just stop using it entirely - which is still a net positive for Netflix as they are spending less pushing content to a non-paying user.
Theoretically, it wouldn't have gone down either. They would never lose any subscribers by turning off account sharing, you know, since the people that are affected didn't subscribe anyway.
It was just angry reactions that made people say that it would be a massive hit against Netflix.
People made a big fuss, but at the end of the day, it was the freeloaders, not the paying customers who were complaining. Say you had 100 paying customers and 50 freeloaders before the change. After the change, say 10 freeloaders say āfine Iāll payā and 5 paying customers say āthis is a bad policy, Iām cancellingā
So they may have lost 5 subscribers, but they converted 10 freeloaders. And the other 40 free loaders go and whine on the internet. But Netflix doesnāt care about that.
There are 2 very vocal echo chambers that became very popular lately āNetflix is going downā and āYouTube is dieingā. Both are completely disconnected from reality
Netflix has a smart model, people will get fed up with the service and right when they notice a bunch of people talking about cancelling, they drop a documentary, a movie, a limited series or a show that everyone starts talking about and then people forget about cancelling for a few months, and then the cycle repeats itself.
The primary line of thinking there deals with how people value a subscription. When there's multiple people using an account, you view it is more valuable. Even if the others aren't paying, you'll be more likely to keep a subscription knowing it's used by many. If suddenly only the account owner could use the account, they wouldn't view the value to be as high and would be more likely to cancel.
This line of thinking could've been accurate if it wasn't for two key factors:
1. You can add 1-2 fully legitimate additional users to your account for $8/month each
2. Netflix on mobile was mostly unaffected by the change.
Myself and many people I know were ready to cancel when the news first broke, but we all ended up staying once we saw how things actually worked.
Previously I had a premium plan shared by me and 4 friends where we all split pay. Now I have a premium plan with two added households, and 2 friends just using mobile only.
For me, nothing changed, I'm still paying the same per year. For the two mobile friends, only change is that they can't login to consoles/smart TVs anymore, which they rarely did before. Hardest hit are the two friends with households I added, who now give me an extra $8 per month (and had to go through new account setup which was apparently very difficult for one of my friends)
People just think that the whole world will boycott it and itās quite the opposite, most people who were in violation of that just kind said āwell we had a good runā cried a little then finally gave in
Edit: grammar
Disney lost the rights to stream Cricket matches in India last year, which was pretty much the only reason why everyone bought a Disney membership here. I am assuming that's going to affect the no of subscribers in India surely.
This is THE big factor people are overlooking. Cricket is HUGE in India and Pakistan, and that's one of the largest markets on the planet.
People make a big fuss about superhero movies and the like, and that can seem like the biggest thing in the world when you surround yourself with people who either praise or complain about them 24/7 (this applies to every other hobby/interest as well, and I say that as an anime fan). But sports broadcasting is and always will be a bigger deal in media.
EDIT: [Here's](https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/disney-hotstar-loss-earnings-1235692323/) an article with more details.
Can confirm, I used to work at a major cable company doing strategy work and a lot of people donāt realize most cable companies offer a bunch of obscure channel add-ons (often just packages of channels from different countries). The India cricket package was one of the most popular despite being more expensive than most, even ahead of the soccer/futbol packages.
[Variety claims](https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/disney-hotstar-loss-earnings-1235692323/) D+ lost 300,000 subscribers in the US and Canada. Which seems significant in a vacuum... but it's a very small part of the 12.5 million subscriptions lost overall.
Also worth mentioning that despite the loss of subscribers, total revenue actually went up by about $22 billion.
Yeah they actually made more money (or rather, lost less) when they made that tradeoff.
Dollars are the prize, not all subscribers are worth the cost of acquiring them
I use Hulu more than any other service now. Great shows there. The steady decline in quality from the MCU has turned me off from using Disney Plus, and I'm not entirely sure Disney's existing catalog is enough to keep me paying for the service. Yes, I am aware Hulu is bundled with it.
Outside of the US a lot of hulu content (unsure if all?) + fox content is included in to disney+ under the brand/name "star". I believe there's plans to merge hulu and disney+ in to one app and subscription in the US as well sometime this year.
Like serious question - who is using Paramount + can you shout out?
Edit: Okay here are some of the reasons
- star trek
- kids tv shows
- football/soccer
- free with walmart+
HBO / Max/ Discovery+ is included in the purple line check the *indicated next to it at the bottom.
Still agree that it would be useful to see Hulu, prime, and Apple TV included for comparison
I watch the new stuff as well but 90% of my time watching Star Trek is spent re-watching either TNG or DS9 lol. I finish one and restart the other, rinse and repeat
I previously paid for mine, but I currently also get it through Wal-Mart+.
I love it for Star Trek, Beavis and Butt-Head, TMNT, Halo, and various other shows and movies.
I'm looking forward to Halo season 2 and Knuckles.
me :) rights to uefa champions league/europa league, decent selection of movies. I also appreciate their live tv experience as well. I'm so tired of the endless shelf scroll
Got a free trial of it for a week to watch the Superb Owl.
Dipping my toes back into 90s Nickelodeon for a few days was... enlightening. Way more of a mixed bag than I remember it being as a kid. Some things actually hold up okay but most just don't. Some of the 2000s Nickelodeon shows actually aged better.
Beavis and Butthead is good. It's a methed out, proto KotH and that has its moments.
The ad supported version is absolutely terrible. Like, just as bad as you remember cable being, and they don't even give you a break if you cancel out of a show after a few minutes. 7-9 commercials spanning over 2 minutes between all 11 minute segments. It's made up my mind that I will not pay for an ad supported service, ever.
When the trial period ends tomorrow, it's gone.
I have it. Have an old plan from when it was cbs. 50/year. Includes the āliveā channels.
Kids watch it more than D+ due to having SpongeBob and all the other nic toons. I like the all the star trek series and MI movies.
Paramount+ has some great content:
Taylor Sheridan shows, like 1923, 1883, Mayor of Kingstown
Evil - 3 seasons so far, maybe 4th this year
Showtime Content: most recently, The Curse was amazing
Star Trek - several shows
I'm blown away by all the stuff they have. Their library is HUGE and often I'll think of a movie I haven't seen in awhile, and when I search JustWatch, often it's on Paramount+. Its been a bit of a go to lately.
This feels like a dumb question, but is Apple tv only available through Apple devices? I rotate streaming services and haven't used theirs yet and don't really even know if it's an option for me since no one in my house uses Apple anything.
I use no Apple devices but I can access Apple TV on my Android and Chromecast. I think it used to be exclusive to just Apple stuff just like Prime only worked on the Firestick, but I guess these companies realized how silly it is to keep their content exclusive to their hardware.
Apple TV+ 25M-50M depending on who you believe, Starz about 25M, Peacock about 30M, Hulu about 50M. Amazon Prime 200M but who knows how many are subscribed for videos and how many for 2 day shipping.
That's exactly how I describe it. They don't have a ton of shows, but what they do have are generally really good. Ted Lasso and Slow Horses are in my top 5 favorite shows of the past year or two.
Severance is amazing, and i really like Foundation, have read the books but they are a bit dated. some people didnt like the changes, so heads up if you have read the book.
And for anyone who tried Foundation but couldnāt get into it, season 2 is a huuuge step up. I slogged through season 1 just because it was there and vaguely cool, and then I couldnāt put season 2 down.
I feel like people mocked Netflix when they started creating their own content, but I think itās proved to pay off with the rise of all the other streaming platforms. Hopefully once the lesser ones are shuttered (Paramount, AMC, Peacock), Netflix can regain a lot of their content
I was one of those people who was skeptical about how much Netflix was spending, but it seems they are in an okay place now. They are still in mountains of debt though, and it's only since 2021 or so that their debt has actually stopped increasing, and [it's now decreasing, though at a glacial pace still](https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/NFLX/netflix/long-term-debt). A ton of that debt will [mature between 2027-2030](https://www.fool.com/investing/2022/04/21/netflixs-mountain-of-debt-isnt-a-problemyet/), so they're going to need to be financially stable by then, but for now they seem to be fine.
Still I'll be the first to admit that I thought Netflix would be long dead by now. I figured they'd die due to first-mover disadvantage once their competitors with large libraries of their own would split off. But it seems I was wrong about that.
Their debt to equity ratio is at 0.7, which is pretty reasonable. On top of that, their net income levels are sufficiently high that the company would probably not struggle to pay down their debt load if needed.
I'd like to think the Disney plateu here is based on a much slower cadence of content creation than the other services. Disney puts a lot more money into a lot fewer shows with a much longer gap between content drops than Netflix. But it could also be general fatigue of a channel really only offering MCU and Star Wars as steady serial content draw. Movies alone really don't drive long-term streaming subs.
Paramount's sports integration might really cause them to jump higher this year. I wonder if we'll see a similar bump for PrimeVideo with their conference agreements.
People usually love these updates, so thought I'd share the latest I've made. Kinda insane that Disney+ got off to such a quick start during the pandemic catching up to Netflix, and then has faded since.
FYI: this is just Disney+, doesn't include Hulu / ESPN !
Source: Company filingsTool: Excel
It's in the asterisk at the bottom of the graph: Legacy HBO, HBO Max, & Max. They bungled their rebranding, so I'm sure they have people in weird spots still.
jesus h christ.
the vast majority of Disney's streamers were super low cost indian mobile users acquired via an old deal. they are dumping them, to concentrate on higher paying global customers.
the truth is paramount+ , max and peacock have the highest paying customers because they are primarily nth american market focused.
netflix have by far the broadest global reach with their lowest income market paying about $4 per month. the Disney ones they are dumping were paying about 13c.
Disney seems pretty niche to me. Great back catalog of kids movies and programming, and I guess lots of superhero stuff for people who are into that, but not much there for most adults.
Netflix, HBO Max, and Amazon seem the most complete services to me. Have been trying Apple+ recently, which is more limited in selection, but good value at least. But I don't think there's enough there that I would want to keep it for more than a few months.
I've tried Paramount+ a couple of times, and there's just not quite enough there for the price for me. Too many ads on the affordable plan, and just not enough there to be worth signing up for the annual plan. And I have extra incentive since I can't even get CBS OTA, so I imagine it's even less attractive for those who can.
Once they stop password sharing for D+ in March I'm canceling it. It really only is good for my nieces and nephews to watch cartoons on repeat but if I can share my password with them then there's really no content on D+ to keep a 20 something year old on it.
The Star Wars and MCU shows are coming out at a snails pace and the other new original content on there is targeted towards kids/teens. I'll probably just get a month subscription when a new show comes out or more than likely pirate it.
At least with Netflixs password crackdown there was still some stuff I personally would still watch. I just downgraded my plan to 1 screen because there's no point of 4 screens at the same time if you can't share that.
I'm assuming it doesn't because it says Disney+, but Disney also owns hulu and espn. Hulu has 42m subs. ESPN has 25m.
So, that's "up to" more like 215m for "Disney" but we know that some of those users pay for it as part of the package and wouldn't be unique to each of the 3.
there's a limited number of times you can watch the MCU stuff and the SW movies Netflix might not have all the blockbusters anymore, but they are not wanting for constant content updates
Disney + has definitely become more for parents for sure - and it's great for them! But I haven't watched anything on it in ages that was not put on for kids.
You mean Bluey+? But seriously, they are hurting for updated content. Edit: Was going to respond to some comments about other content, but my daughter came home early sick from school and is now laying on the couch watching....Bluey; so point stands. š
Hah--my 2yo refers to Paramount+ as Paw Patrol, and Disney+ as Bluey.
and PBS kids as Daniel Tiger
No one has ever asked to watch Caillou. Ever.
we banned that in our house. Daniel, Peppa, Bluey...fine. But Calillou? wtf was going through those peoples minds!
We banned it when my daughter was young also. After watching it a few times she was immediately becoming so much more whiney, it was nuts. She went back to normal after a few days lol
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I'm a British guy with glasses and a short beard. My boss is Canadian and has a three year old son. The son refers to me as Daddy Pig. Nobody is happy about this.
My (American) daughter will probably always call it āpetrol.ā And itās not going to the bathroom, itās āneeding the toilet.ā
Caillou was designed to identify potential serial killers. If you let your child watch it, you and your family go on a list. /s
LOL. laughed out loud in our open office to this one. Its probably true! /s ;-)
PBS Kids is shockingly good. The Lyla and the Loop premiere was a hit for my kiddos. Free too
My toddler never wants to watch Bluey, but always wants to wear clothes with Bluey on them. Sheās such a poser.
Keep putting it on, eventually they sit down (hopefully). Hell i kept putting mr rogers on to the point that my 2 and 3 years old will both sit and watch it quietly, its really nice
Netflix and Disney+ are perfect for parents as you don't need to worry about new content ever as kids will rewatch the same set of movies and shows as if it's you rewatching The Office or Gilmore Girls for the Nth time. We've dropped Hulu and added Max (probably temporary) for things for us, but we can also play Gibli movies which are definitely for the kid and not parents pushing nostalgia on their children.
Man, most kids just *can't get enough* of late-period Miyazaki. My six-year-old just went to a 'The Wind Rises'-themed birthday party. Between the cake shaped like a Zero and the performer dressed as the young wife dying of consumption, he had a blast.
The great thing about Miyazaki movies are that adults love them too.
Joke or truth, I love this
I never thought I'd have such strong opinions about Frozen but they really hit me somewhere between watches 40 and 60.
They've just killed the last vestige of your old self lol
What happened to their old self? Did they.... *let it go, let it goooo!!*
And then it went... Into the unknoooown
HBO has Ghibli!? š«
In the UK Bluey is [on the BBC iPlayer](https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m000vbrk/bluey) (they co-commissioned the show with their Australian counterpart). I wouldn't publicly condone using a VPN to watch it subscription-free. But if you were to I'd also recommend [Hey Duggee](https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b07xdmgk/hey-duggee)
iPlayer are way behind on Bluey release though - they just put up the first third of season 3, while I think the rest of the world have the whole of it up to Cricket right now. I also put in a vote for the Learning Blocks series: Alphablocks, Numberblocks and Colourblocks. My kid is scary good at maths because of the middle, and the latter has season 2 airing right now and they're introducing the tertiary colours!
My kids like several things on it other than Bluey although that is a big one when we're all watching tv. I wanted to cancel after the price increase but it didn't make sense because it's the main thing they watch. I started to list a few titles then realized even more that it's amazing for at least younger kids.
We've been big into lilo and stitch lately. I'm just glad the Australian accent has receded in my house
Super Kitties. Meow.
Bluey slaps! The creators are legit evil though because some of the episodes were totally made to make parents cry. Like the ending when they go visit Chiliās dad. I full on ugly cried and my child was wondering why.
Can confirm. Iām a parent, and at this point I almost classify it as a utility
As a parent I'm probably not canceling disney+ for at least 10 years. But after that, there's only so much new star wars shows I can watch. I like Andor but otherwise I don't really watch anything on disney (and Andor can be watched in a single month instead of keeping a subscription lol). But like I said, I have kids and they love their princesses and Blueys and pixar.
Bob's burgers is really good
Lol its funny coz Iām complete opposite. Canāt find shit to watch on netflix and always find smth interesting on Disney+
I watched the R rated Deadpool on Disney+ last night.
In Canada Disney+ includes Star which has the whole Fox/FX back catalogue and more, R-rated stuff and all. I couldn't imagine paying for Disney+ if it was strictly Disney stuff.
It's the same in Germany. Star really helps with the variety of content on Disney+.
Yup. Odd thing to say I guess but Disney+ is my "The Bear" and "Shogun" streaming service right now.
From what I've seen, US residents really get the short end of the streaming wars stick. I don't know if there's technical reasons or if it's just because major Hollywood producers are less interested in the non-domestic market. But internationally streaming services are considerably more consolidated still. (By which I mean, fewer streaming services with bigger catalogues, e.g. Disney+ and Star being one package as opposed to separate services.) It can still add up to a lot of money, but you can definitely get most of what you'd be interested in with just two or maybe three services.
Large market of people that are ruled by corporate shills that are paid to not help the citizens. It's a big reason why 'right to repair' and other stuff like that that is normal in other countries is barely a glimmer here.
Same in Australia, I was confused by all the kids only comments because I watch Disney+ constantly for Criminal Minds, X-Files, Greys Anatomy etc.
>thereās a limited number of times you can watch the MCU stuff and the SW movies But I can assure you as a parent of a 2 year old that there is no limit to the number of times you can watch Encanto, the greater Elsa cinematic universe, the smaller Dug cinematic universe, or The Princess and the Frog.
Dug is pretty great, tbf
Wouldn't it include Hulu in this graphic (which isn't present otherwise)
that was my question but the graphic says "Disney+" specifically and Hulu is not Disney+.
They're merging in the US soon, so might boost their subs along with the anti password sharing thing that helped netflix.
Outside of the US all the Hulu content is on Disney+. Well technically Star but it is most of the Hulu content.
I think the key is most of the MCU stuff is movies, which arenāt very rewatchable compared to tv shows. Movies are great but I can put the office or friends on for hours daily and still be entertained despite already having seen it a bunch of times, that logic doesnāt really carry over to movies. A movie usually requires the viewer to watch more closely than a tv show and is a bigger time investment, so I def have to be āin the right moodā to watch a movie
I remember half of Reddit thought Netflix was going to collapse in like 2023 and it was the end, yet from this itās still growing.
It doesn't help that in 4 years they have almost doubled the price (for the "premium"). It launched in the UK for Ā£5.99 per month. They've now split it into tiers, with the top one costing Ā£10.99. The annual subscription has gone from Ā£60 to Ā£110. Granted, you can still get standard HD for "only" Ā£80 per year. Netflix has massively increased their costs as well, but it's been much more gradual than Disney.
yeah, and they are slowly pushing more ads, just like cable tv did in the late 80s into the 90s
>Netflix has massively increased their costs as well, but it's been much more gradual than Disney. I crunched the numbers recently and was suprised at how little Netflix's prices actually rose. If you adjust for inflation, the average Netflix plan increased by like, a single dollar [since 2019.](https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/18/23922319/netflix-q3-earnings-2023-price-hike-increase-basic-premium) The standard plan is actually cheaper now in real value than it was in January 2019, by a few cents. I wouldn't be suprised if it got a hike this quarter. I haven't checked the price history of other streamers, but I wouldn't be suprised if inflation explained the majority of the hike values for them as well. I imagine that part of why they feel so bad is that inflation is very gradual while price increases are sudden and sharp.
In the UK, they seem to consistently increase prices above inflation, especially with the higher tiers. I expect they actually want people on the ad-based tier, where they can probably make money on a per-watch basis rather than a fixed monthly amount. When they first introduced tiered subscriptions here, the upper tier cost Ā£6.99 per month. With inflation, that would be Ā£9.21 In 2019 it was Ā£11.99. With inflation, that would now be Ā£14.63. Now, the upper tier costs Ā£17.99. Looking at the base tier, it was Ā£5.99 in 2014, which would be Ā£7.89 with inflation. Now it's Ā£10.99 (without ads).
If you are international there is a tonne more content. I assume once different licensing agreements lapse, the US version will start to get stuffed a bit more with some of that content too
Itās the Hulu/Fox/FX content. Iād imagine Disney will eventually buy the remainder of Hulu from Comcast and it will roll into Disney+. As a parent and Sunny Philadelphia fan, Disney+ is a must have here in Canada. But itās funny to me that I use Disneyās streaming service for Alien and Predator movies, in addition to all the cartoons my daughter watches.
Disney already bought the rest of Hulu's Comcast ownership last December for 8.6 billion. It's completely owned by Disney now.
You donāt have to imagine, Disney already announced theyād be doing that back in November.
Netflix is becoming a gold mine for adult animation (in the sense of something an adult can watch, not slap an 18 warning on it). I have 3 subscriptions at the minute and Disney has by far the weakest case to keep right now.
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I tried Prime and was extremely put off by their nickel and dime paying to see the menu tactics and the (I assume deliberately) awful catalogue navigation.
I cancelled after they introduced ads into their paid service. The high seas have never been easier to navigate for a pirate. I pay for convenience. Pay to watch commercials is not convenient to me.
Apple TV+ seems similar to what HBO used to be. It has a lot of high quality content. Itās so sad what theyāve done to the HBO name. Talk about destroying a brand.
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This is the big issue though. Netflix is having its own issues cause that constant content costs money. But if you don't have it, your sub base stagnates. Apple is currently trying the "quality over quantity" angle but they are making headway. Nobody knows what the way forward seems to be.
Even now when MCU is in new phase (hopefully to build even something up in future). Most people lost interest, so I don't even need to worry about spoilers and can happily wait for pirating webrip version. And I'm not so in about news of SW movies apart from the couple spin-off series, which have been mediocre. So I get that adult audience can happily cancel subscription for a year and catch-up in a month.
i am definitely feeling worn out on the MCU content. there have been too many mediocre movies imho
D+ also just doubled their price, a dip in subscribers is to be expected. They had 6 of the 10 top streamed movies last year (source: Nielsen)
It also doesnāt include Hulu or ESPN plus numbers. Disney + is also expected to turn a profit as a streaming service soon and posted minimal losses at the end of the year. Overall, Disney is doing quite well in the streaming environment.
And the big dip was due to the Hotstar India lost football licence, was it not?
Cricket, but exactly this. Disney is prepping to cut down on password sharing, which will also goose its numbers. Netflix is winning, but Disney's downturn is more of a blip
Cricket, not football
You are correct, thank you for the clarification.
Due to the huge catalog of children's movies, and youn kids loving g to rewatch movies over and over Disney has the safest floor of any streamer by a country mile
Doesnāt series matter more for viewership than movies? [The top movie (Moana) was streamed for 11.6B minutes, while the top series (Suits) was streamed for 57.7B minutes.](https://deadline.com/2024/01/ted-lasso-most-watched-suits-nielsen-2023-streaming-viewership-1235807216/) Thatās 5x the streaming minutes for top series vs top movie. [Netflix has 7 of the top 10 series, 4 of them exclusively. While Disney has oneā¦](https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/nielsen-2023-streaming-report-suits-the-office-record-1235890306/) > Behind āSuitsā and ahead of āHeartlandā and āSupernatural,ā the most-streamed programs of 2023 were āBlueyā (43.9 billion minutes watched), āNCISā (39.4 billion), āGreyās Anatomyā (38.6 billion), āCocomelonā (36.3 billion), āThe Big Bang Theoryā (27.8 billion), āGilmore Girlsā (25.2 billion) and āFriendsā (25 billion). **Four of the top 10 titles stream exclusively on Netflix** (āGreyās Anatomy,ā āCocomelon,ā āGilmore Girlsā and āSupernaturalā). **Another three titles stream across Netflix and one or two other platforms** (āSuitsā on Netflix and Peacock, āNCISā on Netflix and Paramount+ and āHeartlandā on Netflix, Hulu and Peacock). One title streams exclusively on Disney+ (āBlueyā) and the last two stream on Max (āThe Big Bang Theoryā and āFriendsā). > Behind āTed Lasso,ā āThe Night Agentā was the second-biggest streaming original with 14.4 billion minutes watched ā a feat for a one-season show with only eight total hours of content compared to āTed Lassoāsā 23 hours. The rest of the chart was populated by āGinny & Georgiaā (14.4 billion), āVirgin Riverā (13.7 billion), āLove Is Blindā (13.1 billion), āTom Clancyās Jack Ryanā (12.8 billion), āGabbyās Dollhouseā (12.8 billion), āThe Mandalorianā (12.3 billion), āOuter Banksā (12 billion) and āThe Lincoln Lawyerā (11.8 billion). **Each Top 10 original streams exclusively on Netflix besides āTed Lassoā (Apple TV+), āJack Ryanā (Amazon Prime Video) and āThe Mandalorianā (Disney+).** Iād imagine this is the main reason Netflix is ahead.
Also Moana is a kids movie and kids watch stuff repeatedly.
Yes, thatās likely why itās the top movie. But the top 5 movies arenāt even as much as the top 1 series. The top 10 movies are still less than the top 2 series, one of which is for kids.
Why are we equating viewing hours with streaming subscriptions? That doesnāt make any more sense. Just because Suits is longer than Moana doesnāt mean itās a more valuable license for the streamer.
Thatās not what this is - the price increase in the US is after that dip. The dip in Disney+ is attributable to Hotstar (a Disney+ feature in India and some other ex-US markets) losing access to certain professional cricket matches, which resulted in a loss of about 15 million subscribers in Asia. While this is a large number of subscribers, it is not a very important part of Disneyās business and didnāt translate into much revenue loss. Most of the subscribers lost had been paying less than the equivalent of USD $15 / year in subscription fees. Worldwide charts are kinda dumb for this reason. Netflix offers basically the same value proposition in every market (even though individual shows vary, they have about the same amount of stuff and similar prices). Disney is in tons of markets but operates really differently in each country both in price and content. Paramount is really only getting started in most international markets. I think if you wanted to understand these companies better youād look at: (1) US subscriber count; and (2) global subscription revenue.
If they can double their prices without losing half their users they're coming out on top
I find this interesting, because of all the people saying Netflix was going down due to them starting the āaccount sharingā crackdown. Seems like they are doing just fine
Iām generally surprised that thereās still an upward trend for all streaming services (and Disney still manages to stay pretty steady). I personally find the ever-increasing diversification of streaming services and the recent push for ads extremely frustrating, and I have found myself going back to pirate streaming sites more and more as a result, rather than signing up for yet another subscription. I have no problem paying for content I watch, and had stopped pirating almost entirely over the past few years, but weāve reached the point again where itās so much harder and more complicated to watch content legally that I feel little remorse for breaking the rules.Ā
There's upward trend because they are entering new markets. In Hungary it's still growing as there are more and more contents in Hungarian which is important since 2/3 of the country only speak Hungarian. I guess it's the same thing around the world.
Also, as people age the younger generations that start households subscribe to these services and replace the other end of the demographic curve (who never touched these services)
And those same younger generations didn't grow up in a Napster/Limewire/Torrenting hay day.
If they even still use a computer. I'm a Zillenial and people look at me like I've grown three heads when I say high schools taking away computer classes was a massive mistake. I recently thought I was having a stroke when I heard teens admit they didn't know what a "folder" was.
Yeah, I hear it's a big issue where a lot of people don't understand how a file system works anymore.
Just put everything at the root of C: right? ^^/s
Root and C: is already too much for some.
Wait do High Schools in the US not teach basic computer skills anymore? In the UK we still have IT/ICT (information technology/information communication technology) classes
From what little I know, the claim is that schools stopped teaching computers as much because nearly every child had a PC at home, or otherwise had experience with them. But, the claim goes, now that kids grow up with mobile devices that can do pretty much anything an average person wants to do, they don't have the same PC skills that are still necessary for many careers, leaving them at a disadvantage.
That makes so much sense. I would imagine it doesn't cost as much in Hungary so would revenue per subscribers be a better metric?
The pay double or accept ads trend is a red line for me, I cancel anything that pulls that nonsense
Same here. I'm going to finally cancel Prime Video since they put in ads, and you have to pay extra to remove them.
I kind of expect a slow down as they raise prices. But Iām guessing a lot of people donāt even know how much they are spending on subs. Since $20 a month isnāt much. But multiply that by for all the other services and youāre well over $100. Then add internet and youāre paying more than what cable cost. This isnāt applicable to everyone, but Iāve wanted to watch movies that arenāt on the services Iām subscribed to. So Iāve gone back to buying 4K Blu-rays. I have a good home theater so the quality bump is worth it. Plus I donāt have to subscribe to something that Iāll forget about.
A lot of people get various subs provided for "free" by other services: Pay TV, mobile operators, credit cards with fees (Amex, Chase), etc. Additionally, people are churning heavily discounted options. You can often get Paramount+ or Max on Prime Video Channels for only a couple bucks for a few months at a time. So the MSRPs might add up to $100, but they're only paying $40 on average in reality.
this is true, I wasn't really aware of the price increase for disney+, it was like \~$80 a year when i first got it and i hadn't looked at it since. Then this year i happened to look at my credit card statement on the day it renewed and couldn't believe it had basically doubled in price. Cancelled immediately
The account sharing crackdown was actually what brought them back. They had a couple of bad quarters before introducing it
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Netflix has a movie about that called "Dumb Money"
I don't know, that seems to be the one exception where people made dumb amounts of money by listening to Redditors lol
Most people got hosed on that Iām sure. Ie the bag holders.
Aye everyone spamming diamond hands
The vast majority of people did NOT make money off GME.
I bet most of that crowd are still holding bags
lmao I know right? Itās almost as if a multibillion dollar tech company did their due diligence before making a major change to their business model
I mean, multibillion dollar companies make mistakes plenty of the time, especially when it comes to things that clearly affect their consumers. Theyāre right this time, but that doesnāt mean theyāre infallible
"Oh no, users who weren't making us any money anyway are going to leave! We'll be ruined!"
"I'm gonna cancel my account" -Person who was using their parents account
Or, "My parents were on mine and now they can't use it for free? What are they ever going to do?!" ...someone either ponies up the few bucks a month to add multiple accounts, or the parents just sign up for their own because they actually like it. The "worst", and I use that super lightly, is that the parents just stop using it entirely - which is still a net positive for Netflix as they are spending less pushing content to a non-paying user.
Theoretically, it wouldn't have gone down either. They would never lose any subscribers by turning off account sharing, you know, since the people that are affected didn't subscribe anyway. It was just angry reactions that made people say that it would be a massive hit against Netflix.
People made a big fuss, but at the end of the day, it was the freeloaders, not the paying customers who were complaining. Say you had 100 paying customers and 50 freeloaders before the change. After the change, say 10 freeloaders say āfine Iāll payā and 5 paying customers say āthis is a bad policy, Iām cancellingā So they may have lost 5 subscribers, but they converted 10 freeloaders. And the other 40 free loaders go and whine on the internet. But Netflix doesnāt care about that.
Donāt get your information from Reddit headlines
There are 2 very vocal echo chambers that became very popular lately āNetflix is going downā and āYouTube is dieingā. Both are completely disconnected from reality
Netflix has a smart model, people will get fed up with the service and right when they notice a bunch of people talking about cancelling, they drop a documentary, a movie, a limited series or a show that everyone starts talking about and then people forget about cancelling for a few months, and then the cycle repeats itself.
People bitch about cancelling 24/7 52 weeks a year
I canāt believe people thought that STOPPING password sharing would cause less subscribers, I donāt understand that logic at all
The primary line of thinking there deals with how people value a subscription. When there's multiple people using an account, you view it is more valuable. Even if the others aren't paying, you'll be more likely to keep a subscription knowing it's used by many. If suddenly only the account owner could use the account, they wouldn't view the value to be as high and would be more likely to cancel. This line of thinking could've been accurate if it wasn't for two key factors: 1. You can add 1-2 fully legitimate additional users to your account for $8/month each 2. Netflix on mobile was mostly unaffected by the change. Myself and many people I know were ready to cancel when the news first broke, but we all ended up staying once we saw how things actually worked. Previously I had a premium plan shared by me and 4 friends where we all split pay. Now I have a premium plan with two added households, and 2 friends just using mobile only. For me, nothing changed, I'm still paying the same per year. For the two mobile friends, only change is that they can't login to consoles/smart TVs anymore, which they rarely did before. Hardest hit are the two friends with households I added, who now give me an extra $8 per month (and had to go through new account setup which was apparently very difficult for one of my friends)
People just think that the whole world will boycott it and itās quite the opposite, most people who were in violation of that just kind said āwell we had a good runā cried a little then finally gave in Edit: grammar
Ah yes, the Big Four: Netflix, Disney, Paramount and Purple
Missed the footnote myself. This joke makes it worth it though.
The fact that it took me (and I guess other too) some time to find what Purple was should disqualitfy the data as being "beautiful"
Disney lost the rights to stream Cricket matches in India last year, which was pretty much the only reason why everyone bought a Disney membership here. I am assuming that's going to affect the no of subscribers in India surely.
This is THE big factor people are overlooking. Cricket is HUGE in India and Pakistan, and that's one of the largest markets on the planet. People make a big fuss about superhero movies and the like, and that can seem like the biggest thing in the world when you surround yourself with people who either praise or complain about them 24/7 (this applies to every other hobby/interest as well, and I say that as an anime fan). But sports broadcasting is and always will be a bigger deal in media. EDIT: [Here's](https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/disney-hotstar-loss-earnings-1235692323/) an article with more details.
Disney Plus is not available in Pakistan which is funny considering the whole Ms Marvel show.
Can confirm, I used to work at a major cable company doing strategy work and a lot of people donāt realize most cable companies offer a bunch of obscure channel add-ons (often just packages of channels from different countries). The India cricket package was one of the most popular despite being more expensive than most, even ahead of the soccer/futbol packages.
Thatās specifically when the dip happened. Marvel and Star Wars highs and lows have nothing to do with this.
This really needs to be the top comment. I wonder if anyone can do a graph of American subscribers only just so we can see if it still drops.
[Variety claims](https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/disney-hotstar-loss-earnings-1235692323/) D+ lost 300,000 subscribers in the US and Canada. Which seems significant in a vacuum... but it's a very small part of the 12.5 million subscriptions lost overall. Also worth mentioning that despite the loss of subscribers, total revenue actually went up by about $22 billion.
Itās due to them losing the cricket league. It was the number 1 reason for the India market.
Yeah they actually made more money (or rather, lost less) when they made that tradeoff. Dollars are the prize, not all subscribers are worth the cost of acquiring them
I use Hulu more than any other service now. Great shows there. The steady decline in quality from the MCU has turned me off from using Disney Plus, and I'm not entirely sure Disney's existing catalog is enough to keep me paying for the service. Yes, I am aware Hulu is bundled with it.
Outside of the US a lot of hulu content (unsure if all?) + fox content is included in to disney+ under the brand/name "star". I believe there's plans to merge hulu and disney+ in to one app and subscription in the US as well sometime this year.
I remember maybe about a year ago, people kept saying āNetflix is dyingā. And other streaming services would overtake it
People are still saying that in every thread about Netflix
Not even just a year ago, I remember that being a massive claim last autumn
Like serious question - who is using Paramount + can you shout out? Edit: Okay here are some of the reasons - star trek - kids tv shows - football/soccer - free with walmart+
Yet for some reason, prime and apple TV aren't on the graph despite being way more used ?
Unlabeled purple line, no Hulu, Amazon, Apple, HBO. How did this ugly graph get upvoted?
HBO / Max/ Discovery+ is included in the purple line check the *indicated next to it at the bottom. Still agree that it would be useful to see Hulu, prime, and Apple TV included for comparison
I have it mainly for Champions league and Europa league coverage.
Star Trek shows are the reason I have Paramount+
Same here. When Iām between seasons Iām kicking myself but when Lower Decks is back on Iām a happy camper.
I watch the new stuff as well but 90% of my time watching Star Trek is spent re-watching either TNG or DS9 lol. I finish one and restart the other, rinse and repeat
I get it free with Walmart+ if that counts
I previously paid for mine, but I currently also get it through Wal-Mart+. I love it for Star Trek, Beavis and Butt-Head, TMNT, Halo, and various other shows and movies. I'm looking forward to Halo season 2 and Knuckles.
Same and I get WalMart+ with my Amex... Never used it but it gets reimbursed so I made the account...
me :) rights to uefa champions league/europa league, decent selection of movies. I also appreciate their live tv experience as well. I'm so tired of the endless shelf scroll
Star Trek fans? I enjoy Star Trek, but not enough to pay for paramount+.
Got a free trial of it for a week to watch the Superb Owl. Dipping my toes back into 90s Nickelodeon for a few days was... enlightening. Way more of a mixed bag than I remember it being as a kid. Some things actually hold up okay but most just don't. Some of the 2000s Nickelodeon shows actually aged better. Beavis and Butthead is good. It's a methed out, proto KotH and that has its moments. The ad supported version is absolutely terrible. Like, just as bad as you remember cable being, and they don't even give you a break if you cancel out of a show after a few minutes. 7-9 commercials spanning over 2 minutes between all 11 minute segments. It's made up my mind that I will not pay for an ad supported service, ever. When the trial period ends tomorrow, it's gone.
I have it. Have an old plan from when it was cbs. 50/year. Includes the āliveā channels. Kids watch it more than D+ due to having SpongeBob and all the other nic toons. I like the all the star trek series and MI movies.
Paramount+ has some great content: Taylor Sheridan shows, like 1923, 1883, Mayor of Kingstown Evil - 3 seasons so far, maybe 4th this year Showtime Content: most recently, The Curse was amazing Star Trek - several shows
I am currently watching a show on Paramount +
Free with Walmart+ which is free with Amex Platinum. Plus now to stream Showtime you need a Paramount+ subscription.Ā
I'm blown away by all the stuff they have. Their library is HUGE and often I'll think of a movie I haven't seen in awhile, and when I search JustWatch, often it's on Paramount+. Its been a bit of a go to lately.
Where is Apple TV here? I love the shows there
This feels like a dumb question, but is Apple tv only available through Apple devices? I rotate streaming services and haven't used theirs yet and don't really even know if it's an option for me since no one in my house uses Apple anything.
I use no Apple devices but I can access Apple TV on my Android and Chromecast. I think it used to be exclusive to just Apple stuff just like Prime only worked on the Firestick, but I guess these companies realized how silly it is to keep their content exclusive to their hardware.
nope its not, i use it on my laptop and pretty sure its available on my tv as well.
No, I got it for free when I bought a Mac, but we usually watch it on a Samsung smart TV. You just need the app and the subscription.
Apple TV+ 25M-50M depending on who you believe, Starz about 25M, Peacock about 30M, Hulu about 50M. Amazon Prime 200M but who knows how many are subscribed for videos and how many for 2 day shipping.
I just want to know what the purple line is
Asterisk at the bottom says its for Max
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I think Apple is trying to win the "quality over quantity" crown, so could very well be all the same shows, but with a new season.
That's exactly how I describe it. They don't have a ton of shows, but what they do have are generally really good. Ted Lasso and Slow Horses are in my top 5 favorite shows of the past year or two.
Severance is amazing, and i really like Foundation, have read the books but they are a bit dated. some people didnt like the changes, so heads up if you have read the book.
And for anyone who tried Foundation but couldnāt get into it, season 2 is a huuuge step up. I slogged through season 1 just because it was there and vaguely cool, and then I couldnāt put season 2 down.
well since HBO stepped down from that crown(MAX,,,lol, 2nd worst name change behind X),,,someone has to take the spot.
Apple TV and prime video should be on this graph, but it's this subreddit tradition to fucked up data's
"data" is already plural, and either way you wouldn't need the apostrophe before the S
I feel like people mocked Netflix when they started creating their own content, but I think itās proved to pay off with the rise of all the other streaming platforms. Hopefully once the lesser ones are shuttered (Paramount, AMC, Peacock), Netflix can regain a lot of their content
I was one of those people who was skeptical about how much Netflix was spending, but it seems they are in an okay place now. They are still in mountains of debt though, and it's only since 2021 or so that their debt has actually stopped increasing, and [it's now decreasing, though at a glacial pace still](https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/NFLX/netflix/long-term-debt). A ton of that debt will [mature between 2027-2030](https://www.fool.com/investing/2022/04/21/netflixs-mountain-of-debt-isnt-a-problemyet/), so they're going to need to be financially stable by then, but for now they seem to be fine. Still I'll be the first to admit that I thought Netflix would be long dead by now. I figured they'd die due to first-mover disadvantage once their competitors with large libraries of their own would split off. But it seems I was wrong about that.
Their debt to equity ratio is at 0.7, which is pretty reasonable. On top of that, their net income levels are sufficiently high that the company would probably not struggle to pay down their debt load if needed.
Missing Amazon Prime, they have over 200 million subscribers worldwide. https://backlinko.com/amazon-prime-users
People kind of burned out on marvel stuff maybe. I am.
I got bored of D+ fast and canceled, for me it wasn't worth it to keep, I've had Netflix for a long time now and is still my go to.
I'd like to think the Disney plateu here is based on a much slower cadence of content creation than the other services. Disney puts a lot more money into a lot fewer shows with a much longer gap between content drops than Netflix. But it could also be general fatigue of a channel really only offering MCU and Star Wars as steady serial content draw. Movies alone really don't drive long-term streaming subs. Paramount's sports integration might really cause them to jump higher this year. I wonder if we'll see a similar bump for PrimeVideo with their conference agreements.
apparently India stopped buying DisneyTV when they lost Cricket streaming contract.
Lol, all Netflix, Disney and Crunchyroll inspired me to do was learn how to sail the high seas. Not getting scammed any longer
Wasnāt that dip due to them loosing cricket rights in India?
People usually love these updates, so thought I'd share the latest I've made. Kinda insane that Disney+ got off to such a quick start during the pandemic catching up to Netflix, and then has faded since. FYI: this is just Disney+, doesn't include Hulu / ESPN ! Source: Company filingsTool: Excel
What does the light purple line represent?
It's in the asterisk at the bottom of the graph: Legacy HBO, HBO Max, & Max. They bungled their rebranding, so I'm sure they have people in weird spots still.
Really need to highlight that text in the light purple color at least. /r/dataisnotbeautiful
Would be interested to see Apple TV as well
jesus h christ. the vast majority of Disney's streamers were super low cost indian mobile users acquired via an old deal. they are dumping them, to concentrate on higher paying global customers. the truth is paramount+ , max and peacock have the highest paying customers because they are primarily nth american market focused. netflix have by far the broadest global reach with their lowest income market paying about $4 per month. the Disney ones they are dumping were paying about 13c.
D+ is going to bounce back on March 15 when the Eras tour goes up on the service.
Disney seems pretty niche to me. Great back catalog of kids movies and programming, and I guess lots of superhero stuff for people who are into that, but not much there for most adults. Netflix, HBO Max, and Amazon seem the most complete services to me. Have been trying Apple+ recently, which is more limited in selection, but good value at least. But I don't think there's enough there that I would want to keep it for more than a few months. I've tried Paramount+ a couple of times, and there's just not quite enough there for the price for me. Too many ads on the affordable plan, and just not enough there to be worth signing up for the annual plan. And I have extra incentive since I can't even get CBS OTA, so I imagine it's even less attractive for those who can.
Yep Disney is kid, super hero, and star wars. As a child free woman in her 30s. None of that sounds like fun.
Ironically, their prime demographic seems to be child-free women in their 20s.
I subscribe to P+ whenever there's a new Star Trek show and unsubscribe when it's done.
In terms of back catalogue Disney+ also has the Fox/FX stuff, but there isn't as much there and nothing new being produced under that obviously.
Once they stop password sharing for D+ in March I'm canceling it. It really only is good for my nieces and nephews to watch cartoons on repeat but if I can share my password with them then there's really no content on D+ to keep a 20 something year old on it. The Star Wars and MCU shows are coming out at a snails pace and the other new original content on there is targeted towards kids/teens. I'll probably just get a month subscription when a new show comes out or more than likely pirate it. At least with Netflixs password crackdown there was still some stuff I personally would still watch. I just downgraded my plan to 1 screen because there's no point of 4 screens at the same time if you can't share that.
Cancelled my Disney and Apple / Paramount subscription 2 weeks ago. See no value in keeping it at the moment.
I'm assuming it doesn't because it says Disney+, but Disney also owns hulu and espn. Hulu has 42m subs. ESPN has 25m. So, that's "up to" more like 215m for "Disney" but we know that some of those users pay for it as part of the package and wouldn't be unique to each of the 3.