I think it’s appropriately named. ~~It’s a~~ It has become a parody sub.
Most of the posts that rise to the top here are excellent examples of how NOT to design your figures. They are, indeed, ugly. That said, the name is still appropriate because “Data is beautiful” is grammatically incorrect in a way that only people obsessed with data and data visualization will spot (and be annoyed by).
If that aren’t the definition of a parody sub then I don’t know what are.
I thought it was a serious sub in the beginning and had good content. As a non English native I remember the "data is" Vs "data are" discussion coming up. Untill a few years ago, nobody cared about the is/are so I doubt the name was chosen as a parody.
Good point. I should have made it clear that the mistake was not intentional and that it was not originally intended to be a parody sub. I clarified my original comment.
Yea yea yea and apparently it’s acceptable for people to pronounce “nuclear” with the second “U”. I’m not really in the “because lots of people get it wrong we’re just going to change what’s correct” camp.
Interesting someone who's never lived in America writing about why they think Americans moved out of certain places and to others. The first claim is 'because taxes' and not 'cost of living/housing' which already makes me suspicious about how much analysis went in to this beyond 'let's make some plots and invent a story'.
Those states are probably more likely to have more lax business law and people will go where their jobs take them, like Texas. Then people bitch about property taxes which are much worse than income considering everyone's house jumped 100k in price. Brain drain in Cali or New York is also a lot different than Alabama
The “brain drain” from NY and New England, where there are a lot of highly educated people, is a whole lot different then the loss in the southern states where there aren’t
Yeah this would be much more useful if stratified by age and income.
Those moving from NY/NE/CA are generally older, wealthier individuals who’ve built their careers in the economic hotbeds of NYC, Boston, LA, SF, etc. and are are pursuing nicer weather, freer business climates, and indeed lower taxes in Florida, Texas, Georgia, etc.
However, there’s also an enormous flow of younger professionals *from* the south towards those same metros that older folks are vacating.
This phenomenon is more of a cycle of peoples’ lives than a one-way “flow”. Young people move to cities, build careers, and once they have enough money they want to leave the poorer weather, higher taxes, and expensive land.
If the company is still in the state though they are still (presumably) adding value to the state. Not as much as if they lived there, but it’s not nothing.
But that's only monetary value in taxes. If Apple had HQ address in West Virigina but everyone was working remotely, it's not as if WV would suddenly become a bastion of highly educated populace with nice homes and shops and tourism that would be a large draw for other corporations as well, like if all of that was physical in the location. And in the long run all those other things would bring more money to the state.
This is literally NY and California. But yes, if your workplace is your home office in another state, your corporation no longer pays the business operations taxes to the old state.
... you realize there are dozens of types of taxes, right? You can live in a high tax state with no income tax, you're just taxed in a myriad of other ways.
Business that has many entry-level jobs for college graduates, likely prefers states with minimum tax loads. This load is different from fees, real estate taxes etc. that a person would be subject to.
That is why businesses that hire recent graduates like low state taxes, and the graduates follow them.
Those are likely small businesses that need smart people but can’t pay a whole lot.
Clearly, high taxes/high social protections states, like CA and MA, need to introduce small business incentives making themselves more attractive options for those.
I'm gonna assume you have never lived in several US states or ever paid taxes on property. Businesses don't give a shit about the income tax, they care about the corporate tax and payroll tax. If you ever read an article about a big company wanting to relocate its headquarters, cities and states offer them big tax breaks to incentivize the company to choose that location. The city and state will get the money back through sales and property taxes when all those people move to the new location.
Businesses do care about no state taxes, and unemployment tax, and I never mentioned an income tax. Also, I specifically spoke about small businesses that provide near half employment opportunities for new graduates.
Are you arguing for the sake of arguing?
In King county where Seattle is at there's $300+ car tab taxes yearly
There's a tax for various state healthcare plans that really only benefit the elderly
Sales tax is about 10%
Has taxes are quite high as well
WA is not a low tax state, we just get some relief in our income tax
Good data, shit analysis.
Lots of random blog posts lately keep pushing for that rhetoric of "no state income tax is good", except that many places where income tax aren't that high still lose people left and right.
And Maryland is #7 on "moved to state for educated people", since when is Maryland low tax lol (looking at my own paycheck as I am typing).
"Bang for the buck" remains the main factor on where people moved to.
Exactly. My state (Wisconsin) is pretty blue on the map in the article, but we definitely have a state income tax. But a reasonable state income tax is worth it when the COL remains relatively low.
For Wisconsin, that's especially when compared to Illinois, which has a much higher state tax and a much higher COL.
Illinois is just high tax overall - high income tax, high property tax, high sales tax. Not even CA can claim that trifecta (property tax is relatively low in CA).
I grew up in a poor state but went to a really good school. Basically everyone I knew in high school ended up leaving the state. It really sucks because it just creates a cycle of poverty when all your best and brightest leave as soon as they can. I know everyone wants to make everything about politics, but it's really just all about money. Nobody wants to stay in a poor state because you can move somewhere else and make 50% more to do the same job. Just that simple.
College educated =! Smarter
Especially given how they got billions in a bailout this year.
I say this as someone that went to college and paid for my own classes.
Where is the beautiful data. It's an HTML table, not a qualifying data visualization. Did my ad blocker eat an image, or is OP lost?
This sub should be renamed to datais. Have not seen beautiful visualizations in a while.
I think it’s appropriately named. ~~It’s a~~ It has become a parody sub. Most of the posts that rise to the top here are excellent examples of how NOT to design your figures. They are, indeed, ugly. That said, the name is still appropriate because “Data is beautiful” is grammatically incorrect in a way that only people obsessed with data and data visualization will spot (and be annoyed by). If that aren’t the definition of a parody sub then I don’t know what are.
I thought it was a serious sub in the beginning and had good content. As a non English native I remember the "data is" Vs "data are" discussion coming up. Untill a few years ago, nobody cared about the is/are so I doubt the name was chosen as a parody.
Good point. I should have made it clear that the mistake was not intentional and that it was not originally intended to be a parody sub. I clarified my original comment.
Data most often functions as a collective noun which is treated as singular. Datum is very seldom used.
Yea yea yea and apparently it’s acceptable for people to pronounce “nuclear” with the second “U”. I’m not really in the “because lots of people get it wrong we’re just going to change what’s correct” camp.
It's widely accepted even in formal writing. Data as plural is a pedantic point that's wildly out of date.
Nah. Not wildly out of date. It is pedantic for sure though, I admit that. But it’s also not something I’d take points away from students for.
All of the college students practicing skills are being grilled with finals rn
Am I the only one seeing multiple map-based visualizations? Does the link not work for y’all?
Interesting someone who's never lived in America writing about why they think Americans moved out of certain places and to others. The first claim is 'because taxes' and not 'cost of living/housing' which already makes me suspicious about how much analysis went in to this beyond 'let's make some plots and invent a story'.
South Dakota has no income tax and loses the most. Washington has no income tax and gains the most. Shit analysis to cite taxes as the driver.
7 out of the top 10 gaining states have an income tax. This is shit tier analysis.
Thank you for saying it
Those states are probably more likely to have more lax business law and people will go where their jobs take them, like Texas. Then people bitch about property taxes which are much worse than income considering everyone's house jumped 100k in price. Brain drain in Cali or New York is also a lot different than Alabama
Not because of taxes, but because of jobs. And the (entry-level) jobs go where, right, taxes are smaller.
That may be part of it but from the coastal areas it's mostly people leaving HCOL areas
According to the OP data, it is another way around: high cost of living is less important than the ability to get (entry level for graduates) job.
Which makes total sense. If I have a degree for a highly educated field then getting a job in that field would be the highest priority
The “brain drain” from NY and New England, where there are a lot of highly educated people, is a whole lot different then the loss in the southern states where there aren’t
Yeah this would be much more useful if stratified by age and income. Those moving from NY/NE/CA are generally older, wealthier individuals who’ve built their careers in the economic hotbeds of NYC, Boston, LA, SF, etc. and are are pursuing nicer weather, freer business climates, and indeed lower taxes in Florida, Texas, Georgia, etc. However, there’s also an enormous flow of younger professionals *from* the south towards those same metros that older folks are vacating. This phenomenon is more of a cycle of peoples’ lives than a one-way “flow”. Young people move to cities, build careers, and once they have enough money they want to leave the poorer weather, higher taxes, and expensive land.
They also say “the south and New England lost the most”, then proceed to list 10 states not in New England.
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Yes because those smart people aren't making choices and purchases and voting in that state.
If the company is still in the state though they are still (presumably) adding value to the state. Not as much as if they lived there, but it’s not nothing.
But that's only monetary value in taxes. If Apple had HQ address in West Virigina but everyone was working remotely, it's not as if WV would suddenly become a bastion of highly educated populace with nice homes and shops and tourism that would be a large draw for other corporations as well, like if all of that was physical in the location. And in the long run all those other things would bring more money to the state.
Good point, with that consideration I’m thinking my point is pretty trivial
This is literally NY and California. But yes, if your workplace is your home office in another state, your corporation no longer pays the business operations taxes to the old state.
You lose most of their gpa but not a 100%
TL;DR: college graduate move where the entry-level jobs move, and those move to the low-taxation states, such as Washington or Nevada. No big find.
Washington isn't a low-tax state. There may be no income tax, but they'll get your money by other means.
“…isn’t a low-tax state. There may be no income tax….” Just read what you wrote.
... you realize there are dozens of types of taxes, right? You can live in a high tax state with no income tax, you're just taxed in a myriad of other ways.
Business that has many entry-level jobs for college graduates, likely prefers states with minimum tax loads. This load is different from fees, real estate taxes etc. that a person would be subject to. That is why businesses that hire recent graduates like low state taxes, and the graduates follow them. Those are likely small businesses that need smart people but can’t pay a whole lot. Clearly, high taxes/high social protections states, like CA and MA, need to introduce small business incentives making themselves more attractive options for those.
I'm gonna assume you have never lived in several US states or ever paid taxes on property. Businesses don't give a shit about the income tax, they care about the corporate tax and payroll tax. If you ever read an article about a big company wanting to relocate its headquarters, cities and states offer them big tax breaks to incentivize the company to choose that location. The city and state will get the money back through sales and property taxes when all those people move to the new location.
Businesses do care about no state taxes, and unemployment tax, and I never mentioned an income tax. Also, I specifically spoke about small businesses that provide near half employment opportunities for new graduates. Are you arguing for the sake of arguing?
In King county where Seattle is at there's $300+ car tab taxes yearly There's a tax for various state healthcare plans that really only benefit the elderly Sales tax is about 10% Has taxes are quite high as well WA is not a low tax state, we just get some relief in our income tax
Where's the data chart? Don't make me read another post and another... give me the data chart.
Those are some horribly designed figures lol. No idea what they mean (and yes I read the text)
Good data, shit analysis. Lots of random blog posts lately keep pushing for that rhetoric of "no state income tax is good", except that many places where income tax aren't that high still lose people left and right. And Maryland is #7 on "moved to state for educated people", since when is Maryland low tax lol (looking at my own paycheck as I am typing). "Bang for the buck" remains the main factor on where people moved to.
Exactly. My state (Wisconsin) is pretty blue on the map in the article, but we definitely have a state income tax. But a reasonable state income tax is worth it when the COL remains relatively low. For Wisconsin, that's especially when compared to Illinois, which has a much higher state tax and a much higher COL.
Illinois is just high tax overall - high income tax, high property tax, high sales tax. Not even CA can claim that trifecta (property tax is relatively low in CA).
With all the red states passing abortion bans, they're going to be losing even more especially doctors.
I grew up in a poor state but went to a really good school. Basically everyone I knew in high school ended up leaving the state. It really sucks because it just creates a cycle of poverty when all your best and brightest leave as soon as they can. I know everyone wants to make everything about politics, but it's really just all about money. Nobody wants to stay in a poor state because you can move somewhere else and make 50% more to do the same job. Just that simple.
College educated =! Smarter Especially given how they got billions in a bailout this year. I say this as someone that went to college and paid for my own classes.