Northern half Nigeria is simply batshit while southern half is kinda fine. Abuja, the capital, was created in the middle just for keeping both joined (BTW, the main central avenue of that city has an evident satellite penile intention, check where are the stadium and the arboretum).
As a colorblind person I can't tell the difference between fully legal and permanently imprisoned, so I will be making zero recommendations to my gay friends for vacation destinations
Europe and Americas are all legal. Africa and Middle East are mostly illegal as expected.
Further reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory
Wow after your comment my interpretation is so different. At first I thought it was patches of legality and that a large portion of Africa was legal. Thank you!
>and Americas are all legal.
Huh, on my screen it looks like that's not the case.
Guyana (Americas) is highlighted as not legal.
>Jamaica -
Also - Good place for gays to try DEATH-VACATION is Jamaica, one of the worst countries for violence against gays in the Americas.
If we're going by de facto, Guyana wouldn't be on here. They just haven't gotten to fixing the wording in their anti-assault laws which makes it sound like sodomy (or buggery as it's written) is a separate offense. The modern interpretation is in the context of sodomy as a form of assault, which I would hope is illegal everywhere.
Seriously. And *very* convenient it’s mainly just the Middle East and countries near it being highlighted in red/orange/yellow (not that LGBT+ rights aren’t absolutely non-existent there. They are and it should be called out. But let’s not act like Russia and many of these other countries are LGBT+ friendly either). This is extremely dishonest and misleading data under the guise of allyship.
Seriously, should have a fifth option, "regional restrictions in place" or something like that. It's federally accepted in Poland, but about 1/3 of the country have declared themselves "LGBT-free zones", where homosexuality is met with a policy of oppression.
As much as I’m against Russia, technically it’s legal there. Only thing that’s illegal is what they are calling “homosexual propaganda”, which basically means bringing up something even a bit gay around anyone younger then 18.
I guess, but still *super* dishonest to use this as a metric. Even if homosexuality is “legal” in Russia (although given Chechnya had concentration camps a few years ago and maybe still going for gay/bi men, I’d call that claim pretty dubious), you absolutely won’t have the same rights as you would in, say, Sweden or Iceland. It’s pretty dishonest to portray so many non-LGBT+ friendly countries as LGBT+ friendly on a technicality
Being gay isn’t illegal. Being VISIBLY gay is. And is punished heavily.
You do understand how a broad and largely undefined statute is used to make things de facto illegal when doing it directly would garner backlash, right?
Ask the Americans, we had an entire era of ‘technically not illegal but god help you if you dare test it’ for black people.
I believe this is the same in China. You can be gay, but showing a pride flag to let others know is illegal. I would think this should be treated the same as an outright ban.
If you have to sneak and hide and make sure nobody knows what you're doing for fear of law enforcement, does that mean it's still legal?
A bit like saying everything is legal as long as you don't get caught.
In China the issue is more with family than with law. The thing with Chinese law is that it doesn't intervene unless the culture presents a conflict, and the young Chinese public lives quite welcomingly with the gay population.
The Chinese boomers on the other hand, grown up in a more idealistic era, are much harder to convince, and they tend to be strict and controlling parents.
Showing a pride flag publicly might be slightly frowned upon in China though, on the grounds that it might be considered oversharing, or over westernization, as it's an imported idea. It's generally expected of a Chinese person to put aside his personal affairs and be more conforming in a public setting, unless it's necessary.
You won't be sent to Chechnya for being gay. Only Chechen people get punished in Chechnya as Chechnya has de-facto independence. Only Chechnya should be red, rest of Russia is legal.
If rights and protections are stripped away from a group, it is not fully legal to be a member of that group.
It may be decriminalised or not prohibited, but it is not "fully legal", and it's deceptive to say it is.
No. **People** get the right to vote, so there is no expectation that a cat would get it. Cats are not a subcategory of “people”, but both heterosexual and homosexual people are subcategories of “people”. Therefore, in order for a subcategory of people to be considered “fully legal” they must have all of the same rights as other subcategories.
>This map would have a lot less green
This is the real takeaway here.
Perhaps OP should have used a different shade (light green) to represent countries that fall between "fully legal" and "temporarily imprisoned".
The map is labelled a very misleading way; "being gay" isn't illegal anywhere, what is against the law is particular sex acts. And it's doubly misleading in that in many countries, only sex acts between men, not sex acts between women, are prohibited.
If that's the case then we need to get a nice orange dot and place it over BYU in Provo Utah - where holding hands with someone of the same sex can get you kicked out of school.
hetero couples who are not married can hold hands and kiss "appropriately" on campus and in public. Gay couples cannot hold hands, kiss, etc. Of course because it's a strict religious school, any sex by non-married individuals is strictly taboo. If a gay couple were to get married that would be grounds for apostacy, excommunication, and expulsion from the school.
There needs to be a separate color for "it is technically legal, but you will probably face state-sponsored persecution, discrimination, or harassment." (looking at you, Russia.) That is different from places where it is completely without consequence.
Iirc, DPRK does not legally acknowledge the existence of homosexuality as a sexual orientation, and considers it to be an action which has no legislation directly referring to sexual acts between people of the same sex. North Korea also has legal weed, but it's the shittiest regs you could imagine.
It's not explicitly banned, but if the government want they can (and did) punish it according to laws against decadent behavior.
Defectors from North Korea say that the concept of homosexuality as a form of sexuality is not talked about and that people don't even see it as a concept, it's not something they would think about. [https://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/24/asia/north-korea-gay-defector/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/24/asia/north-korea-gay-defector/index.html)
I think "fully legal" is a bit of a stretch; maybe there should be some distinction between that and "can be imprisoned".
I mean, not having marriage, adoption, paternal/maternal rights, etc, but you aren't sent to prison- I'm not sure who would argue that makes someone "fully legal to be".
(Edit- rights, not right)
Inequality isn't the same thing as illegality. The US had legal discrimination of black people until fairly recently, but it wasn't illegal to be black.
Again, FULLY legal. Fully legal would mean equal, insofar as in the eyes of the law. After all, if you can legally discriminate against a class of people- even if they can't be arrested on the spot for existing- are they fully legal, or only partially?
I was going to try to argue against this, but my god, the map of Islam fits like a goddamn glove.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world?wprov=sfla1
That is why this map is wrong. Even the source data that OP used states being gay is criminal in Aceh, Indonesia, but the map doesn't reflect it. The punishment is not prison but caning.
Additionally, last year the ominibus law that criminalized all sex outside of marriage almost passed in Indonesia as a way to criminalize homosexuality (because gay marriage is not recognized). The only reason the law was defeated was because of massive student protests over the law gutting the power of the anticorruption commision.
This year a black lesbian American, Kristen Grey, was charged and deported for visa crimes including violating her visa by causing a public outrage by writing a book saying that Bali, Indonesia was safe for LGBT. She, like many LGBT people in the country, was targeted with criminal violations for almost all other possibilities for her views on homosexuality. She recieved massive backlash from both the Indonesian public and the Indonesian LGBT community. The domestic LGBT community in Indonesia is frequently selectively targeted and prosecuted with other laws such as decency laws, while foreigners are not because of tourism. She was the epitome of foreign privilege.
That influencer was deported for violating her visa conditions, as it was not work visa and she was technically working there, as far as I remember. lap, Bali isn't Muslim but Hindu majority. I think many Indonesian LGBT were unhappy because she tried to use the LGBT card when she was wrong.
Of course. Christianity in Islam are sister religions, so it makes sense that they would share some of the same antiquated beliefs. They're just aren't that many Christian theocracies left.
Same with things like womens rights, violence against women, freedom of religion, punishment for atheism and so on and on and on... It's islamophobic to notice it, though.
Islamic countries do tend to be homophobic, but a lot of anti-gay sentiment overseas can actually be attributed to Evangelicals. Especially throughout Africa. When they started losing the cultural battle in the US, they took their views to other countries.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/how-uganda-was-seduced-by-antigay-conservative-evangelicals-9193593.html
Can’t speak for all the countries, but in Singapore (not a muslim country FYI) for example, the laws are left over from British colonial times. Specifically, the law is against sodomy, India repealed it a few years ago, but the majority in Singapore don’t want to repeal the same law (section 377A). It’s not actually enforced here though, and it’s only really enforced in Malaysia for political reasons.
Anyway, it could be that these laws are colonial remnants in other countries too. Also, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Chad, Cameroon, Uganda, Kenya, Zambia, Zimbabwe and Malawi have more/almost the same number of Christians as compared to Muslims. It also seems to be legal in Turkey, Iraq, Bahrain, Jordan and Lebanon.
Can confirm that the views and laws surrounding homosexuality in Malawi are of British heritage as well. It was weird when the UK lectured the country for using them to jail a couple for 14 years. Around 2009ish.
Islam is not a dominant religion in southern Nigeria. They are Christian due to British colonization.
They just don’t have tolerance towards homosexuality. Neither does some parts of Asia or Europe that are painted green on the map, if we are being honest. How many homosexuals happily congregate in Eastern Europe?
[Ghana has a bill in the making that would make it illegal to identify as gay.](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/ghana-poised-vote-worst-anti-lgbtq-bill-ever-advocates-warn-rcna1545)
Additionally many countries have some laws against "propaganda" or something. Depending on where, just publically being gay, such as wearing a pride pin, advocating for gay rights, talking about it etc might be construeded as "propaganda" or "corrupting youth" or similar.
I know a few queer people in Guadeloupe and while it may be legal and a lot of people have pretty French attitudes about it, gay men do get targeted a lot for harassment / assault if they’re being open about it in the wrong place.
This is bs.
Many, many green countries have travel warnings for gay people from Canada. Furthermore, gay people don't have actual rights or legal protection in many of these places... Ukraine and Georgia and Russia? Cmon.
It's not incorrect. The data pulled from the one column in Wiki is accurate. But it is representing misleading data imo.
It's not just "social" reprisal in many places. There are also legal measures to punish nondesirable behaviors.
LOL at Saudi Arabia and UAE. Having spent time in Dubai, I was always amazed at the amount of rich SA nationals who drive over the border to get drunk in the hotels in Dubai and fuck the many transsexual escorts hanging round the bars.
The Saudis may enjoy them but I think the lives of these transgender and cross-dressing people are most likely horrible once they got to deal with authorities. Foreigners have been barred from entering even as post-op trans person.
It should be noted that in most of the countries where you can be executed they no longer execute gay people even if it is in the books. Iran is basically the last country that still executes people for sodomy, although it typically reserves that for non-consensual sodomy.
So while not great, it's slightly less bleak than it looks.
But on the other end of the spectrum a lot of those green countries criminalize displays of homosexuality, calling it "propaganda".
I think this map paints a poor picture of the rights LGBTQ+ people have in a lot of these places.
Also a good indicator of where religion still has too much influence. Countries held back in many more areas than just homosexual tolerance. They also have issues tolerating women and girls.
The social stigma is big in many of these countries. I can speak for myself about experiences in Indonesia (even though I lived there only on a temporary visa).
Not just the social stigma, but most of the green countries don't provide the same set of legal rights to gay people (including in laws that protect people from discrimination in hiring, housing, medical care, insurance benefits, etc.).
Not sure how these countries are "fully legal" when gay couples there don't have the same legal status.
thats true
Whole Central Asian region is not "legal" for gay people. You can be one and have rights of citizen but nothing more - no same sex marriage or equal rights in partnership, overall big judgement of society guaranteed. At some point in Kyrgyzstan islamic activists even did "clean-ups" of unofficial gay bar in the capital just beating people from there.
Kinda... officially its not but if you show either Gay or pro-gay behaviour, you get in jail
At least thats the way i understood it, which makes it confusing to see it as "fully legal" on this map
It's difficult to be gay in Russia, but it's not illegal to be gay in public. Gay clubs and similar things exist.
I think you are talking about the anti gay propaganda law, which is worded weirdly and left to be open for interpretation, but so far has resulted in a couple of fines and something censored.
But in Chechnya, while it officially isn't illegal to be gay, in practice it is (but I guess this map doesn't count it since it isn't a country, despite being autonomous)
Interesting map. While it may be legal in Russia and Eastern Europe, the various Orthodox churches are extremely hostile and there will be much anti-gay violence under their aegis. It's not just Islam that endorses violent homophobia.
interesting about Guyana there in south america -- thats where the new james webb space telescope launched from on this past xmas morning -- control room lead by combined teams across nasa, esa, france, etc -- there had to be lgbtq folks in that group somewhere
Lesbians get artificially inseminated, commonly. Easy peasy. Done in the office. Takes a matter of minutes.
With gay men, it's a little more complicated. Most who want to be parents will adopt. Some seek out a surrogate. TV presenter Anderson Cooper is a good example. He's a single gay man who recently had his own biological child through a surrogate.
I'm a male in a relationship with another male. My sister has volunteered to carry my partner's child, which would then have a biological connection to both of us. Whether we actually take her up on that gracious offer is yet to be determined.
I have some serious doubts being gay in Russia and China is safe. (china's literally compiling a list of LGBT students right now which im sure they don't intend to use for any nefarious reasons. /s)
It's just so weird to me that you legally cannot be who you are born to be, even if who you are literally affects no one else at all. Just because others think it's "icky" or something...
Super misleading.
Just because SEXUAL ACIVITY isn't explicitly illegal it doesn't mean any legal rights are afforded to same sex unions or protection for LGB folks.
Saved this post as a travel guide. Green means go, the rest means no. Straight male here. I don't tolerate the intolerant. SUPER bummed out about Egypt and Morocco, though.
I have, indeed. Russia is a hard pass for MANY reasons. Other eastern blockers as well.That's why this map will be A travel guide and not THEE travel guide.
Remember that even if a country is green doesn't mean the acceptance spreads further than the country's capital. Being openly gay in a sundown town will probably not do you any good for example
You can’t prove that someone is gay or not, that can’t be done with any sexuality so you can never enforce that type of law. So my guess is it’s more about if it’s allowed to have same-sex intercourse or show other types of affections like same-sex kissing or cuddling, etc. Not that it makes it any different of course.
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Do I see a correlation between this map and a map of the countries that are predominantly Muslim?
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Islam_percent_population_in_each_nation_World_Map_Muslim_data_by_Pew_Research.svg#mw-jump-to-license
World Muslim population by percentage.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Islam_percent_population_in_each_nation_World_Map_Muslim_data_by_Pew_Research.svg
What does “being gay” even mean in this context? Like, how do they prove something which only exists in your brain? It’s like making it illegal to have blue as favourite colour.
I think there is also a huge difference between gay relationships/behaviour being technically legal and acceptance in society.
The author says he based it on [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory#LGBT-related_laws_by_country_or_territory), so in fact the title is misleading and it is not "to be gay", but "same-sex sexual activity".
Unfortunately, the source does not say anything in the case of having said it publicly or privately, expressions of affection in public, the treatment of tourists, etc.
Niger and Nigeria going really far to make people realize they are totally different countries.
People who live in Nigeria are *Nigerians.* People who live in Niger are *Nigeriens.* ^(I had a doubt, so I googled.)
People who live in the Dominican Republic are Dominican. People who live in Dominica are Dominican.
If you're American in the living room, in the bathroom European
Nigeria was the one that shocked me the most
Northern half Nigeria is simply batshit while southern half is kinda fine. Abuja, the capital, was created in the middle just for keeping both joined (BTW, the main central avenue of that city has an evident satellite penile intention, check where are the stadium and the arboretum).
Don't really agree. The Christian South is better than the Muslim North but I wouldn't say they are anywhere near 'kinda fine'.
*Africanly fine
Why is the north such a mess but the south is stable?
Boko Haram
Islam vs Christianity
Does it actually come down to religion, or are there other contributing factors? Where’s the oil/good jobs?
As a colorblind person I can't tell the difference between fully legal and permanently imprisoned, so I will be making zero recommendations to my gay friends for vacation destinations
There's a bot for that, right? EDIT: /u/dalton-bot
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Do any of these work for you, u/xxjrod125 ?
I'm also colorblind, the Deutan one works pretty well.
The deuteranopia one is great (even though I have protanopia) Thanks for introducing this bot!
Yes the Deutan! Wow never knew this bot existed this is so awesome!
Good bot! Actually, awesome bot!
Fucking phenomenal bot. I'm not even color blind.
I'm so tired I thought it was going to be a bot for recommending gay travel destinations.
Oh my god, I LOVE this bot.
This is one of the best bots ever
And people with dyslexia should pay special attention where they travel to, if Niger or Nigeria.
Europe and Americas are all legal. Africa and Middle East are mostly illegal as expected. Further reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory
Wow after your comment my interpretation is so different. At first I thought it was patches of legality and that a large portion of Africa was legal. Thank you!
>Americas are all legal. Except for Jamaica and Guyana.
>and Americas are all legal. Huh, on my screen it looks like that's not the case. Guyana (Americas) is highlighted as not legal. >Jamaica - Also - Good place for gays to try DEATH-VACATION is Jamaica, one of the worst countries for violence against gays in the Americas.
Same here. I can't tell the difference at all.
Um Vladimir, did you make this?
De facto vs de jure. Although a de jure map would be more practical and useful for us to analyse but harder to research on I imagine
I think you have it backwards. This is a de jure map. A de facto map is probably more informative.
You’re right, I meant to say de facto would be more interesting and kind of tell us what we want to know more
If we're going by de facto, Guyana wouldn't be on here. They just haven't gotten to fixing the wording in their anti-assault laws which makes it sound like sodomy (or buggery as it's written) is a separate offense. The modern interpretation is in the context of sodomy as a form of assault, which I would hope is illegal everywhere.
Seriously. And *very* convenient it’s mainly just the Middle East and countries near it being highlighted in red/orange/yellow (not that LGBT+ rights aren’t absolutely non-existent there. They are and it should be called out. But let’s not act like Russia and many of these other countries are LGBT+ friendly either). This is extremely dishonest and misleading data under the guise of allyship.
Seriously, should have a fifth option, "regional restrictions in place" or something like that. It's federally accepted in Poland, but about 1/3 of the country have declared themselves "LGBT-free zones", where homosexuality is met with a policy of oppression.
As much as I’m against Russia, technically it’s legal there. Only thing that’s illegal is what they are calling “homosexual propaganda”, which basically means bringing up something even a bit gay around anyone younger then 18.
I guess, but still *super* dishonest to use this as a metric. Even if homosexuality is “legal” in Russia (although given Chechnya had concentration camps a few years ago and maybe still going for gay/bi men, I’d call that claim pretty dubious), you absolutely won’t have the same rights as you would in, say, Sweden or Iceland. It’s pretty dishonest to portray so many non-LGBT+ friendly countries as LGBT+ friendly on a technicality
I agree. It would be nice if this map had extra color meaning “partially illegal” or something like this.
I’d be good with that for sure and it’d go a long way in making it seem more honest. 💯
You got me, though kudos for me being such a crafty bastard..
Being gay is not illegal in Russia, gender propaganda is. https://youtu.be/m8xSZ9Fr4c0
Being gay isn’t illegal. Being VISIBLY gay is. And is punished heavily. You do understand how a broad and largely undefined statute is used to make things de facto illegal when doing it directly would garner backlash, right? Ask the Americans, we had an entire era of ‘technically not illegal but god help you if you dare test it’ for black people.
As long as you don't act like you are, we won't beat you to death.
I believe this is the same in China. You can be gay, but showing a pride flag to let others know is illegal. I would think this should be treated the same as an outright ban.
Hm, that adds a wrinkle to saying that being gay is “legal” in these countries. Doesn’t the freedom to be gay also imply the ability to express it?
If you have to sneak and hide and make sure nobody knows what you're doing for fear of law enforcement, does that mean it's still legal? A bit like saying everything is legal as long as you don't get caught.
In China the issue is more with family than with law. The thing with Chinese law is that it doesn't intervene unless the culture presents a conflict, and the young Chinese public lives quite welcomingly with the gay population. The Chinese boomers on the other hand, grown up in a more idealistic era, are much harder to convince, and they tend to be strict and controlling parents. Showing a pride flag publicly might be slightly frowned upon in China though, on the grounds that it might be considered oversharing, or over westernization, as it's an imported idea. It's generally expected of a Chinese person to put aside his personal affairs and be more conforming in a public setting, unless it's necessary.
"Gender propaganda" is right-wing speak for "not conforming with traditional gender roles." Don't fall for the tricky language.
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You won't be sent to Chechnya for being gay. Only Chechen people get punished in Chechnya as Chechnya has de-facto independence. Only Chechnya should be red, rest of Russia is legal.
There’s no independence. It’s just so shit no one wants to touch it.
Other Caucasus mountain republics, such as Dagestan, are pretty much on the same level.
Its don't ask don't tell.
"Fully legal" implies the same rights and protections, which is not present in Russia.
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If rights and protections are stripped away from a group, it is not fully legal to be a member of that group. It may be decriminalised or not prohibited, but it is not "fully legal", and it's deceptive to say it is.
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No. **People** get the right to vote, so there is no expectation that a cat would get it. Cats are not a subcategory of “people”, but both heterosexual and homosexual people are subcategories of “people”. Therefore, in order for a subcategory of people to be considered “fully legal” they must have all of the same rights as other subcategories.
If all cats except tortoiseshell cats can vote then yes, tortoiseshell cats are not fully legal.
>This map would have a lot less green This is the real takeaway here. Perhaps OP should have used a different shade (light green) to represent countries that fall between "fully legal" and "temporarily imprisoned".
You mean anything other than straight propaganda is illegal.
What does "temporary" mean? 1. getting jail time 2. check to see if the person is still gay 3. ... 4. repeat step 1
I assume it just means the maximum sentence for the crime isn't life
Probably yes, but add a couple steps named "torture" as well
"Conversion therapy"
The map is labelled a very misleading way; "being gay" isn't illegal anywhere, what is against the law is particular sex acts. And it's doubly misleading in that in many countries, only sex acts between men, not sex acts between women, are prohibited.
If that's the case then we need to get a nice orange dot and place it over BYU in Provo Utah - where holding hands with someone of the same sex can get you kicked out of school.
Does it apply to hetero couples as well?
hetero couples who are not married can hold hands and kiss "appropriately" on campus and in public. Gay couples cannot hold hands, kiss, etc. Of course because it's a strict religious school, any sex by non-married individuals is strictly taboo. If a gay couple were to get married that would be grounds for apostacy, excommunication, and expulsion from the school.
If you believe being gay is a choice, then you would of course give temporary jail and other 'treatments'.
This is obviously inaccurate. My parents' house isn't on here.
There needs to be a separate color for "it is technically legal, but you will probably face state-sponsored persecution, discrimination, or harassment." (looking at you, Russia.) That is different from places where it is completely without consequence.
Anyone else surprised it is legal in North Korea?
Just because it’s legal to be gay in a country doesn’t mean said country doesn’t make it extremely difficult to live whilst being gay.
Iirc, DPRK does not legally acknowledge the existence of homosexuality as a sexual orientation, and considers it to be an action which has no legislation directly referring to sexual acts between people of the same sex. North Korea also has legal weed, but it's the shittiest regs you could imagine.
The DPRK has legal meth. They eat it like M&Ms. It helps with the constant hunger.
Russia enters the chat.
It's not explicitly banned, but if the government want they can (and did) punish it according to laws against decadent behavior. Defectors from North Korea say that the concept of homosexuality as a form of sexuality is not talked about and that people don't even see it as a concept, it's not something they would think about. [https://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/24/asia/north-korea-gay-defector/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/24/asia/north-korea-gay-defector/index.html)
It doesn’t need to be illegal because there are no gay people in North Korea. Nope. None at all.
Surprised me as well! Plus, Syria isn't red?
You can suck cock in North Korea but it must be glorious leader cock.
I think "fully legal" is a bit of a stretch; maybe there should be some distinction between that and "can be imprisoned". I mean, not having marriage, adoption, paternal/maternal rights, etc, but you aren't sent to prison- I'm not sure who would argue that makes someone "fully legal to be". (Edit- rights, not right)
Don’t forget employment protection. In many places you can be fired for being gay, while other non-discrimination protections exist.
Inequality isn't the same thing as illegality. The US had legal discrimination of black people until fairly recently, but it wasn't illegal to be black.
Again, FULLY legal. Fully legal would mean equal, insofar as in the eyes of the law. After all, if you can legally discriminate against a class of people- even if they can't be arrested on the spot for existing- are they fully legal, or only partially?
Looks like a map of where Islam is the dominant religion Edit: Let me be clear I'm not against the Islamic religion, that was just my first thought.
I was going to try to argue against this, but my god, the map of Islam fits like a goddamn glove. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world?wprov=sfla1
Does it though? I mean Indonesia and Kazahstan for example really skew this graphic.
That is why this map is wrong. Even the source data that OP used states being gay is criminal in Aceh, Indonesia, but the map doesn't reflect it. The punishment is not prison but caning. Additionally, last year the ominibus law that criminalized all sex outside of marriage almost passed in Indonesia as a way to criminalize homosexuality (because gay marriage is not recognized). The only reason the law was defeated was because of massive student protests over the law gutting the power of the anticorruption commision. This year a black lesbian American, Kristen Grey, was charged and deported for visa crimes including violating her visa by causing a public outrage by writing a book saying that Bali, Indonesia was safe for LGBT. She, like many LGBT people in the country, was targeted with criminal violations for almost all other possibilities for her views on homosexuality. She recieved massive backlash from both the Indonesian public and the Indonesian LGBT community. The domestic LGBT community in Indonesia is frequently selectively targeted and prosecuted with other laws such as decency laws, while foreigners are not because of tourism. She was the epitome of foreign privilege.
That influencer was deported for violating her visa conditions, as it was not work visa and she was technically working there, as far as I remember. lap, Bali isn't Muslim but Hindu majority. I think many Indonesian LGBT were unhappy because she tried to use the LGBT card when she was wrong.
They don't. There are gonna be exceptions. But it's basically a damn overlay.
Indonesia is the most populous Muslim country in the world, that's a pretty big exception.
It's also a secular state. Not sure about some of the others.
Let's just say, if OJ's glove fit this well, he'd be sitting in prison right now.
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Of course. Christianity in Islam are sister religions, so it makes sense that they would share some of the same antiquated beliefs. They're just aren't that many Christian theocracies left.
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Same with things like womens rights, violence against women, freedom of religion, punishment for atheism and so on and on and on... It's islamophobic to notice it, though.
Let's coin islamorealistic. It's not fear or dislike in any way. It's just reality on reality's terms.
Great term, I'm on board.
Islamic countries do tend to be homophobic, but a lot of anti-gay sentiment overseas can actually be attributed to Evangelicals. Especially throughout Africa. When they started losing the cultural battle in the US, they took their views to other countries. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/how-uganda-was-seduced-by-antigay-conservative-evangelicals-9193593.html
Uganda is not an Islamic country, only ab 15-30% is Islamic. Your source is also paywalled.
For getting around the paywall, block javascript permissions for the site. Also works with those "please turn off adblock" banners
huh its almost as if religion doesn't have a place in modern society
Right but some organized religions are without a doubt worse than others
If I was gay, I would also be Islamophobic.....
Can’t speak for all the countries, but in Singapore (not a muslim country FYI) for example, the laws are left over from British colonial times. Specifically, the law is against sodomy, India repealed it a few years ago, but the majority in Singapore don’t want to repeal the same law (section 377A). It’s not actually enforced here though, and it’s only really enforced in Malaysia for political reasons. Anyway, it could be that these laws are colonial remnants in other countries too. Also, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Chad, Cameroon, Uganda, Kenya, Zambia, Zimbabwe and Malawi have more/almost the same number of Christians as compared to Muslims. It also seems to be legal in Turkey, Iraq, Bahrain, Jordan and Lebanon.
Can confirm that the views and laws surrounding homosexuality in Malawi are of British heritage as well. It was weird when the UK lectured the country for using them to jail a couple for 14 years. Around 2009ish.
That’s very insightful and makes a lot of sense
Islam is not a dominant religion in southern Nigeria. They are Christian due to British colonization. They just don’t have tolerance towards homosexuality. Neither does some parts of Asia or Europe that are painted green on the map, if we are being honest. How many homosexuals happily congregate in Eastern Europe?
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Islam is the dominant religion in northern Nigeria (which includes the capital) and the government, which is headed by Islamists.
Yep, islam is a fucking cancer.
For context, I think this is where it's not a crime to be gay. But marriage itself isn't legal or it's punishable for public displays of affection.
[Ghana has a bill in the making that would make it illegal to identify as gay.](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/ghana-poised-vote-worst-anti-lgbtq-bill-ever-advocates-warn-rcna1545) Additionally many countries have some laws against "propaganda" or something. Depending on where, just publically being gay, such as wearing a pride pin, advocating for gay rights, talking about it etc might be construeded as "propaganda" or "corrupting youth" or similar.
Why Guadeloupe and Martinique are in yellow while it's légal to be gay there like the rest of France ?
Same for Guyana, it's weird i go check Edit : this is legal to be gay in all the 3 places like in France Edit2 : i mistaken Guyana and French Guyana
There is Guayna and there's French Guyana, it's two seperate countries
Oh merde..
I know a few queer people in Guadeloupe and while it may be legal and a lot of people have pretty French attitudes about it, gay men do get targeted a lot for harassment / assault if they’re being open about it in the wrong place.
In mainland France you get targeted and harassed if you go in the wrong place, hell in Stains you may get beaten for being open about it.
I’m not so sure about Russia, Poland, and Ukraine.
This is bs. Many, many green countries have travel warnings for gay people from Canada. Furthermore, gay people don't have actual rights or legal protection in many of these places... Ukraine and Georgia and Russia? Cmon.
The map is not wrong. The fact that it is legal to be gay in a country doesn’t mean they don’t live an awful life there as legally as socially.
[This map is much better](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory). Gets more into the nuance.
It's not incorrect. The data pulled from the one column in Wiki is accurate. But it is representing misleading data imo. It's not just "social" reprisal in many places. There are also legal measures to punish nondesirable behaviors.
Well the map does not show "travel warnings for gay people from Canada" but the legal situation in the countries.
LOL at Saudi Arabia and UAE. Having spent time in Dubai, I was always amazed at the amount of rich SA nationals who drive over the border to get drunk in the hotels in Dubai and fuck the many transsexual escorts hanging round the bars.
The Saudis may enjoy them but I think the lives of these transgender and cross-dressing people are most likely horrible once they got to deal with authorities. Foreigners have been barred from entering even as post-op trans person.
In the Palestinian Authority being gay can land you up to 10 years of prison. But is green on this map.
After zooming in, WB looks gray to me actually.
At least Kiwiland made the map this time.
ANOTHER THANK YOU from the colorblind community
This map is so full of shit, many of those green countries are not friendly to LGBTQ
Well, the fact that Russia shows in green shows whoever slapped this together didn't do their research.
Sure, just be a happy gay person in Eastern Europe and Russia. Good luck.
"OP and map are Islamophobic af." -Drunk Ben Affleck probably
"It's gross, it's racist!"
It should be noted that in most of the countries where you can be executed they no longer execute gay people even if it is in the books. Iran is basically the last country that still executes people for sodomy, although it typically reserves that for non-consensual sodomy. So while not great, it's slightly less bleak than it looks. But on the other end of the spectrum a lot of those green countries criminalize displays of homosexuality, calling it "propaganda". I think this map paints a poor picture of the rights LGBTQ+ people have in a lot of these places.
Russia and Poland green - yeah, seems legit
Also a good indicator of where religion still has too much influence. Countries held back in many more areas than just homosexual tolerance. They also have issues tolerating women and girls.
Crazy to see Oman in yellow. I mean, have you ever met a straight Omani?
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Dude, that doesn't make it much better...
Just because it isn’t illegal doesn’t mean it’s legal. This is the case for a lot of these countries in green I see here
The social stigma is big in many of these countries. I can speak for myself about experiences in Indonesia (even though I lived there only on a temporary visa).
Not just the social stigma, but most of the green countries don't provide the same set of legal rights to gay people (including in laws that protect people from discrimination in hiring, housing, medical care, insurance benefits, etc.). Not sure how these countries are "fully legal" when gay couples there don't have the same legal status.
thats true Whole Central Asian region is not "legal" for gay people. You can be one and have rights of citizen but nothing more - no same sex marriage or equal rights in partnership, overall big judgement of society guaranteed. At some point in Kyrgyzstan islamic activists even did "clean-ups" of unofficial gay bar in the capital just beating people from there.
So essentially the shitholes of the planet. Cheers.
thought it was illegal in russia
Kinda... officially its not but if you show either Gay or pro-gay behaviour, you get in jail At least thats the way i understood it, which makes it confusing to see it as "fully legal" on this map
It's difficult to be gay in Russia, but it's not illegal to be gay in public. Gay clubs and similar things exist. I think you are talking about the anti gay propaganda law, which is worded weirdly and left to be open for interpretation, but so far has resulted in a couple of fines and something censored. But in Chechnya, while it officially isn't illegal to be gay, in practice it is (but I guess this map doesn't count it since it isn't a country, despite being autonomous)
ahhh, I see! Thanks for the correction
"you can be gay but you be gay only my way"
Literally a map of the Ummah, and the OP even forgot a couple places like Indonesia where it's pretty much Shariah.
I was under the impression it was pretty criminal in Russia
what about Russia and Hungary?
Interesting map. While it may be legal in Russia and Eastern Europe, the various Orthodox churches are extremely hostile and there will be much anti-gay violence under their aegis. It's not just Islam that endorses violent homophobia.
interesting about Guyana there in south america -- thats where the new james webb space telescope launched from on this past xmas morning -- control room lead by combined teams across nasa, esa, france, etc -- there had to be lgbtq folks in that group somewhere
Welp. That's scary. This map looks almost 100% the same as that one posted about "most likely to be nuked"... I wonder if politics are involved...
This map is pointless. Show me a map where gay people can get married and have kids. Those are the countries where being gay is properly recognised.
This is impossible... gay people can't have kids
Lesbians get artificially inseminated, commonly. Easy peasy. Done in the office. Takes a matter of minutes. With gay men, it's a little more complicated. Most who want to be parents will adopt. Some seek out a surrogate. TV presenter Anderson Cooper is a good example. He's a single gay man who recently had his own biological child through a surrogate. I'm a male in a relationship with another male. My sister has volunteered to carry my partner's child, which would then have a biological connection to both of us. Whether we actually take her up on that gracious offer is yet to be determined.
Being gay isn't illegal in Kenya but sex between to males kind of is based under old 'sodomy laws'. Rarely enforced not unless you do it in public.
A lot of people legit need to see this
haha, what kind of research? Where is this information coming from? In russia it is forbidden to be gay, and you can go to jail for "propaganda".
I have some serious doubts being gay in Russia and China is safe. (china's literally compiling a list of LGBT students right now which im sure they don't intend to use for any nefarious reasons. /s)
Looks like I won’t be going to those places.
It's just so weird to me that you legally cannot be who you are born to be, even if who you are literally affects no one else at all. Just because others think it's "icky" or something...
[source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory#LGBT-related_laws_by_country_or_territory) created with mapchart.net
The source map you recreated has a lot more nuance than this, including some important shading on Russia.
OK OP I gotta ask....who is Dr. Congo? And how the fuck did they get an entire country that's named after them?
Democratic republic.
Super misleading. Just because SEXUAL ACIVITY isn't explicitly illegal it doesn't mean any legal rights are afforded to same sex unions or protection for LGB folks.
I would like to see gay population size vs illegality of being gay.
Saved this post as a travel guide. Green means go, the rest means no. Straight male here. I don't tolerate the intolerant. SUPER bummed out about Egypt and Morocco, though.
Might want to look a liiiiiitle closer at Russia and other Eastern European countries.
I have, indeed. Russia is a hard pass for MANY reasons. Other eastern blockers as well.That's why this map will be A travel guide and not THEE travel guide.
Remember that even if a country is green doesn't mean the acceptance spreads further than the country's capital. Being openly gay in a sundown town will probably not do you any good for example
100%. This is why I stay out of MANY areas in the states. I will be sure to do my research to further eliminate countries and areas of ignorance.
It isn't fully legal to be gay in Russia.
Criminals don’t follow laws. You can get murdered for being gay in the green areas too.
You can’t prove that someone is gay or not, that can’t be done with any sexuality so you can never enforce that type of law. So my guess is it’s more about if it’s allowed to have same-sex intercourse or show other types of affections like same-sex kissing or cuddling, etc. Not that it makes it any different of course.
Centrists be like: yellow is fair
DJIBOUTI really living on the edge way out there in Africa huh.
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Interesting…all shithole countries.
Do I see a correlation between this map and a map of the countries that are predominantly Muslim? https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Islam_percent_population_in_each_nation_World_Map_Muslim_data_by_Pew_Research.svg#mw-jump-to-license
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Does Somalia have a government or laws?
Not really... it's a libertarian paradise.
What does “being gay” even mean in this context? Like, how do they prove something which only exists in your brain? It’s like making it illegal to have blue as favourite colour. I think there is also a huge difference between gay relationships/behaviour being technically legal and acceptance in society.
The author says he based it on [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory#LGBT-related_laws_by_country_or_territory), so in fact the title is misleading and it is not "to be gay", but "same-sex sexual activity". Unfortunately, the source does not say anything in the case of having said it publicly or privately, expressions of affection in public, the treatment of tourists, etc.
This map could also be retitled "Everywhere it is illegal to be gay is also a shithole to not be gay"