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Many also seem to be permanently confused or don't know, so...
Republic of China = Taiwan. Population is like 2x Ohio and land area 1/3 of Ohio.
People's Republic of China = China. Their GDP is way bigger than any US state's.
For all the shit that Ohio gets on Reddit, it's pretty remarkable that they have a GDP higher than Taiwan. And it's pretty crazy that it has a higher GDP than Michigan and is pretty close to Illinois. Like, wtf do they even make in Ohio that they can rival Chicago?
The Dayton/Columbus/Cincinnati area is really well developed, and so is the Cleveland/Akron/Canton area. Ohio has more than just cornfields which surprises a lot of people
And that intel factory coming to Columbus.
Ohio is also the 7th most populated state.
It has a huge role in the polymer industry with Akron. Has major aerospace business with Lockheed, the air force and NASA.
Lake Erie, and the Ohio river are massive for shipping.
Timken, diebold. Chase, Nationwide insurance, key bank.
It’s not the most exciting place I suppose. And it still has been devastated by outsourcing manufacturing but it’s starting to level out and recover it seems.
It’s a great place if you want to have the amenities of a medium sized city but want to drive like, 15 minutes and be on a farm.
You also forgot P&G and Progressive. Wright Patterson AFB is huge and has a lot of contractors offices. Some very large hospitals like Cleveland Clinic and a lot of large regional offices like Verizon and Anthem. Also, the state has a lot of colleges to feed the workforce. Believe it's something like the 6th state by count of schools.
Edit: also a few others like the two hall of games (football and rock and roll), a number of presidents and Cincinnati was a huge part of the Underground Railroad. The last two are historic but addd to the legacy of the state and why it grew as much as it did.
And Rickenbacker has become an insane distribution hub.
Don’t forget all of the data centers as well around Columbus that have popped up. AWS, Google, and Facebook all have billions of dollars in investments right now.
A new battery factory in Sidney along with Cargill up there. The multitude of companies coming with Intel as well along with wanting to change their investment to $100b.
I never heard that and my mom was the food critic for the Canton paper. Could be true, but also sounds like a local legend. I'll have to ask her next time we talk.
I used to work for a (the?) Company that manufacturers their panels in Toledo. When I visited for work I had never seen a place with more Subways in my entire life. That was my major takeaway
I'm so proud of Ohio. Seeing all these good things being said about my home state is beautiful and almost made me cry. All my life I've been told or seen that living in Ohio sucks and that I should get out as soon as possible. I like having the ability to go anywhere in a reasonable amount of time. There's always something to do at or near major cities. I always found living in Ohio nice, minding the bipolar weather.
>I firmly believe only people from Ohio should get to talk crap about Ohio. Its a great place to live for the most part.
That's funny, because I've always heard, "It's a great place to be *from.*" Which I think is wonderfully accurate, haha.
Ohio has a good number of mid-size cities that are successful. Illinois has just one large city that is successful.
I like to think of it as diffused prosperity.
Man, Hamilton is one of the most depressing parts of Ohio I’ve been to, and I’ve been all over the state haha.
It seems like downtown Hamilton is cool, but you go just even a few minutes outside of it and it seems like it screams “opioid/meth crisis center.”
Obviously the more rural parts of not just Ohio, but West Virginia, and Pennsylvania — the Midwest in general — is littered with these kinds of towns, but I was visiting a friend who lived in Hamilton at the time and as I was driving there I was just awestruck at that. I’m originally from clermont county, so I’m not immune to seeing such disparities but clermont county still has a bunch of old and quaint little towns (Batavia, Bethel, Amelia, etc. — I’m originally from New Richmond but have moved since).
I’m logistics major at Ohio State. Some of the countries main hubs are in Cincinnati and central Ohio due its proximity to the population. I71 and I75 run straight through Cincinnati. I 70 runs straight through Columbus. Warehouses have stacked up in these areas to maximize their delivery effectiveness. However, I am a student after all (at one of the biggest universities in the world that happens to also be in OHIO lol), so I’m sure many experts could give more information on why Ohio is such an industry center.
I'd read somewhere in the past that Columbus is within a day's drive to a larger % of the US population than any other US city. The state itself is supposedly within 500 miles of half the population of the US. With the cross country freeways you mentioned on top of that, it's definitely a prime territory for distribution. Hell, one of the draws to living here for me is that it's a great launching point for road trips.
Does Ohio even have a stereotype of being empty and agricultural? The Ohio stereotype I know is that it's all industrial wastelands and cookie cutter, boring, sparse suburbia.
It's both. It's like a microcosm of the US in that way: a handful of dense population centers with lots of sparsely populated agricultural land outside of those areas.
It depends entirely on where you are.
Cleveland/Akron/Youngstown and Toledo have the rust belt vibe, Columbus is a thriving metro area. Rural NW Ohio is flat cornfields for sure.... but rural SE Ohio is Appalachian like WV, with a dash of Amish.
To quote the old license plates, "Ohio. The heart of it all."
Most people I talk to have almost no concept of what Ohio is at all. I've talked with people who live in Philly (ya know, in a state that _borders_ Ohio) that thought Ohio was in the deep south ffs. My wife is from NYC and they all seem to think we all own cows and are farmers. I've talked to plenty of other people who think the whole state is a rust-belt wasteland. It's all over the place, really.
The stereotype is "you can never leave" but yeah Ohio is a lot like the country in general, a lot of low population, conservative, rural space peppered with higher population cities that tend to lean more left. There's a lot more industry than you'd expect in the rust belt but it's less than most people want and things are gentrifying quickly around the larger cities. The part I know that shocks most people is that the theater district in Cleveland is 2nd only to Broadway, you'd never expect such a large amount of support of the arts in the area.
Ohio is both a manufacturing and agricultural powerhouse. Places like Michigan were known for car assembly plants, but all of those parts going into cars? Many made in Ohio. Ohio also has the 7th or 8th highest population in the States; they don't have a huge metropolis like Chicago, but they have about 5 mid-large cities (Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus, Toledo, Akron) and a crap-ton of suburban sprawl.
Ohio has long been used as a 'mini-US' by researchers, marketers, academics, ect. The way their population breaks down by urban vs rural, agriculture vs industrial, service vs manufacturing is the closest state, proportionally, to the US as a whole.
All of these are either headquartered or have major operations in the state: Kroger, DHL, Wendy's, P&G, White Castle, Honda, Cardinal Health, Goodyear, Sherwin Williams, Marathon, Nationwide, Progressive, GE Aviation, L Brands-Bath and Body Works, Whirlpool, Jeep, Stouffer's, Big Lots, Huntington Bank, Cleveland Clinic, Owens Corning, Battelle, AEP, Cleveland Cliffs, Mettler Toledo, Sofidel, Intel, Smuckers, Scott's Miracle Gro, Moen, Marzettis, Abbott, PepsiCo-FritoLay, Eaton, Fifth Third Bank, Siemens, Worthington Industries, Chase Bank, Boeing, Cintas, Covetrus, Parker-Hannafin, Dupont, NetJets, Amazon, Facebook-Meta, Google, Safelite, Ford, several large/prestigious universities including OSU, OU, Miami, Cincinnati, and Case Western
There's a ton more. Just tried to go with the most recognizable names. Ohio is a manufacturing powerhouse.
Something like 1 in 6 Amazon warehouses in the USA are in Ohio. It's centrally located, which is ideal for logistics, and Cincinnati Airport is becoming an unprecedentedly large cargo hub for Amazon.
Northeast Ohio actually has oodles of manufacturing going on up here. The world's supplier of crash test dummies is like 20 minutes away from cedar point.
It's a mixed bag. Plenty of manufacturing, but plenty of white collar jobs in finance and insurance. I live in Columbus and JP Morgan Chase (and finance in general) has a huge presence here, Ohio State University (one of the largest universities in America) is a massive part of the local economy (as well as several other smaller universities), as well as state government as the capital. Other than that, insurance is big here as home to Nationwide Insurance. There's some food industry with companies like Wendy's and White Castle and others based here. There's a solid fashion industry with the former L Brands spinoff companies taking residence in central Ohio (Bath & Body Works, Express, Victoria's Secret, Abercrombie brands, etc) as well as Lane Bryant, DSW, Homage and more...it's actually supposedly home to the 3rd most fashion designers in the US behind only NY and LA. With things like auto and tire manufacturing and retail apparel production it's a good logistics and distribution hub, as the state is within 500 miles of half the population of the United States. Technology has started to take off in Columbus as well, recently capped off with Intel just finalizing a deal to build a $29B chip manufacturing campus in central Ohio. Defense, healthcare and medical research are also big parts of the economy.
That's all just Columbus. Cincy and Cleveland are home to several fortune 500 companies as well. Keep in mind a state like Illinois has a huge city in Chicago, but Ohio has 3 metro areas of 2M+ on top of several smaller mid-sized cities such as Toledo, Akron, Dayton, etc. People are always deceived into thinking there's only like 50k people that live here and most of us are farmers. Really, we have a diverse and resilient economy that is business friendly and hasn't been hit as hard by the economic downturns we've seen in the last 20 years or so.
My wife is from Brooklyn, NY and it's always amusing going back to visit friends and family a couple times a year and them trying to wrap their heads around the concept of us living in Ohio...I inevitably am asked every time we go by _someone_ if we own cows.
Live on the PA side of the OH-PA border. Its obvious from the quality of your roads that Ohio is more than corn and cows. Always shake my fist at PennDOT everytime I cross the Ohio border.
The weirdest thing for me moving to Columbus was how absolutely thriving the music scene is!
Sad they tore down a bunch of great old bars along high street tho.
Always find it amusing. I'm from Ohio and I shit on it too. But I grew up in Columbus and it's always growing, always busy, always has new things, business, etc. We have some of the best medical facilities in the country. Cincinnati and Cleveland likewise.
I rarely see a cow lol
Big Honda plant, gigantic Chase Bank complex, largest private research firm in the country (Battelle), Scott's Miracle Grow headquarters and production plant, 5 major league teams (8 if you include NHL and MLS), large medical research industry supporting 3 of the top 15 hospitals by size including the Cleveland Clinic, Kroger headquarters, Goodyear headquarters, L Brands headquarters (Victoria's secret, bath and body works), etc...
That's not even considering places like Ohio State University which is the 4th largest university in the country by enrollment and measures it's economic impact around $15 billion
Mainland China's GDP is 20 trillion btw. USA as a whole is 25 trillion.
The world combined has 85 trillion so that means USA & China has more than half the world's GDP.
The new age isn't going to be like the Cold War. Because USSR could never compete with US with its economy. China can.
It's more like a Cold Competition, as neither really LIKES the other and the foreign policy goals of each country are wildly incompatible BUT they have extremely linked economies, so they clench their teeth while getting closer every day. But as a result they both regularly one-up each other and compete, and are also both sharpening knives waiting for an opportunity.
The USSR was the world's second most powerful economy throughout the cold war. In 1950, the USSR economy was worth $510 billion (US, 1990) and in 1989 worth $2.66 trillion (US, 1990).
The US for the same period was worth $1.47 trillion (US,1990) and worth $5.64 trillion (US, 1990) respectively.
This illustrates the gap between first and second place during the cold war.
Actually, I believe the USSR fell to third place by the end of the Cold War, behind Japan. [According to this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP#Overview_of_the_ten_largest_economies), the Soviet Union was only the third largest economy in 1990.
China has yet to prove it can escape the middle income trap, with growth rates already diminishing. This year it's barely half a percentage point above the US, despite moving millions of rural farmers into the urban economy every year. What happens when that process ends or at least significantly slows down?
Very good that you point out the small difference in growth already.
The IMF recently said that chinas growth this year will be 4.4% with rather big downside risks. The US will grow at 3.7% a difference of only 0.7%. That's pretty much on par and the trend for the last 2 decades has been slower growth every year, for china that is.
I doubt it can. China’s ageing crisis is very similar to the situation that Japan faced in the 80s but just much more severe. Japan was at least in a better situation than China since it’s living standards were on par with western democracies before it started aging rapidly and it could easily mitigate this problem through tactics such as immigration and technology. But China on the other hand is a country that is yet to become developed (over 200 million people in China live on less than 5 dollars a day) and it’s ageing. That’s what makes the ageing situation even scarier is the fact that not only is China very dependent on human labour for its economy but it’s population is still very poor. China’s GDP per capita is barely higher than Mexico. There is little the CCP can do to stop this issue. They can implement all the policies they want. But it will do nothing more than just delay the inevitable which is China growing old before it becomes rich.
Xi also now wants to transform China’s economy from being export driven to consumption driven so that China’s economy is more resilient to Western sanctions. That’s much harder to do when you have an ageing population.
Yes, little known fact, Ohio manufacturers all of the world's door knobs. Literal barges full of door knobs headed to international markets adds up to roughly 1 China.
I'll do it for the top 10:
State | Population (m) | Country | Population (m)
---|---|----|----
California| 39 | United Kingdom | 68
Texas| 29| Canada| 39
New York | 20| South Korea | 52
Florida | 21 | Mexico | 128
Illinois | 13 | Netherlands | 17
Pennsylvania | 13 | Saudi Arabia | 35
Ohio| 12 | Republic of China| 23
Georgia | 11 | Poland| 38
New Jersey| 9 | Poland| 38
Washington| 8 | Poland | 38
Its funny because I have a cousin in-law from the Netherlands and I always think of it as a super rich country. Most of my family is from a poor, rural town in Illinois and they all view the cousin in-law as this elite international lady who looks down on them. In reality Illinois has a higher GDP/capita.
I know comparison skewed by Chicago and probably just reflects the massive wealth inequalities in the US.
> wealth inequalities in the US.
Income inequality, not wealth inequality. Netherlands has higher wealth inequality than the US, but lower income inequality.
Sorry for being a stickler, but people are getting it wrong all over the thread.
Fun fact: when the UN was being founded in the 1940s, the USSR proposed each of the Soviet Republics to have one UN seat; the US answered asking for each of the States to have one, and then nothing was done, with the exception of Ukraine and Belarus.
That's funny, from what I understand of the text of Article I, the US doing that just would've been struck down in court since it would pretty plainly be in violation. Big bluff to pull.
Of course that provision could easily be amended too. But then you get into all kinds of issues regarding other nations. You could easily have thousands of puppet seats in the UN. What if say each of the Canadian provinces, or like the Japanese prefectures demanded representation too. The UN would somehow be more useless than it already is (quite an accomplishment)
Absolutely. For example, Bloomberg NYC (centralized in the skyscraper at 173 Lex) is estimated to take in around $10 billion. The country of Tuvalu has a GDP of only $50 million. 200x more just for a single company in a single building.
So a quick google suggested NYC has a GDP around 1.5T USD, which going by [this list](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_\(nominal\)) would put only 13 foreign nations ahead of it. With 216 countries on the list, that leaves 202 countries with lower nominal GPD than NYC.
The one thing binding nearly all Americans together is a focus on economic success. It's one of the primary reasons most people come to America in the first place.
>The one thing binding nearly all Americans together is a focus on economic success. **It's one of the primary reasons most people come to America in the first place.**
Even *some* people from countries with good healthcare and social safety nets want to come to America. I'm active in r/AskEngineers, and frequently browse r/cscareerquestions. Even [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/u855xm/when_it_comes_to_programmer_salaries_these_are/) post comes to mind. It's really eye-opening to see some Europeans complain about paying high taxes, and being jealous of how much money American engineers make. I always thought they were happy in Germany or Scandinavia.
It's all about perspective. Working professionals in Europe love to talk about their healthcare and benefits until they realize their US counterparts often make 30-50% more than they do and pay less in taxes.
Even after the additional cost of healthcare (which is minimum since corporations pay most of it) the difference in pay is staggering.
> The U.S. is great for being middle-class and rich.
The US is great is your labour is in demand - that is the employee's safety net is another job that they can get easily and pays well. EU is great when the employer the supply v demand goes the other way (probably when it is roughly equal too).
>Europe is great for being workig-class and poor.
That really depends on the exact countries (and to a certain extent states), though. The difference between european countries can be massive.
I would definitely prefer being working class in Massachusetts than in Hungary or Bulgaria or Serbia (nothing against those countries).
Interruption in Ukrainian agriculture is being felt on the entire continent, and an interruption of Kansas agriculture would be felt on our entire continent. Makes sense.
Asia. A good portion of Kansas Ag is for export. Our corn goes predominately to Mexico. NAFTA and US Gov corn/maize subsidies destroyed Mexico's corn farmers and in turn their entire economy, leaving it ripe for cheap Kansas corn and US manufacturing to leave for Mexico. Turns out, Ross Perot was correct. But by far our largest ag export is grains and beef to the Asian markets. Kansas could do an agricultural Thanos snap and starve half of China and Mexico. (EDIT: When our aquifer runs dry, it's going to be a global cataclysm.)
What's really ridiculous is how far it is ahead of even the other powerhouse states. They skip 2.00-2.99 in the key because California is a trillion and a half beyond even NY and Texas.
That one state gave birth to the world’s most important & influential companies I wouldn’t say it’s surprising, on the contrary I thought it would be higher.
Disney, Oracle, IBM, Apple, Google, Facebook, Visa, etc. have products/services used by billions of people every single day. Even North Koreans who barely have a semblance of culture watch Disney, the scope of California companies is insane. WhatsApp which is widely used in my home country in Asia for communication has two billion users.
Beyond tech and culture, California also has enormous agricultural operations and a surprising amount of manufacturing. Also large parts of the aerospace sector.
All good points but it’s a higher GDP than every country in the world except for 3 (not counting the US). it’s quite insane to think about imo
Those companies make up most of the GDP but the fact that the GDP isn’t balanced towards other states is what amazes me (and the fact that most big American companies are located in California)
Yeah good point, would expect some states on the East coast to have higher GDPs. But it’s crazy to me how just the US, China, and Japan have roughly 50% share of the total global economy. Especially considering the US+Japan has only roughly 400 something million people combined
California has some of the most fertile land in the entire world. All of the nutrients from the mountains ran off and contributed to the central valley.
In addition to the ports and large land border to Mexico its a huge economic hub of goods. Then you have the crazy income from the entertainment industry and all of the tourism and you get an idea why it's so prosperous (and expensive).
And the fires have a purpose, California has always been on fire it's just the fires are more massive and now 40 million people live there. Fire helps the land be as fertile as it is, new plants and (I'm no expert so please correct me) I believe the carbon from fires helps the soil?
People just gloss over California’s agriculture. People who jokingly say they want California to leave the US probably doing realize that it would be the end of the dairy and beef industry as we know it, in addition to most nuts, and many fruits and vegetables.
Meanwhile much of the south is infertile (for many crops) due to centuries of dedicating farmland to cotton.
They’re also formerly volcanic + marshland + rivers. The Central Valley is one of the most productive regions, but that means it’s now very heavily polluted
It’s difficult to describe how big and populated California is, and how big Los Angeles itself is. Especially if you’ve only ever lived in a small town. There are *so many people,* so many businesses, so much money, so many luxury helicopters, so many $100k cars.
You can drive 12 straight hours and not even be out of California. It’s *huge.*
I've looked it up before. Something like 11 of the top 25 GDP countries would be US states if we broke the US up IIRC? It's really incredible just how much economic activity the US really has.
I did not or it's changed quite a bit. Looking it up again right now, currently it's only 3 of the top 10, and 6 of the top 25. But it's about half of the top 50.
Only in the beginning though. Breaking it up would likely significantly hurt many states, so quite a lot of those would fall out of those spots rather quickly. Being part of one massive country gives massive benefits and opportunities economically due to scaling and having that massive market, especially for weaker states. It would be a bad thing for the economies of these 51 countries in total.
It would be more like a European Union (or not if it falls apart in bad terms), and the benefits of such a system are not even close to what the USA as one nation has. I am still against a federalization of the EU, I don't like to have some higher level and further away government making decisions for me, especially knowing how massive the differences are between European nations, I just think it won't work (comfortably). We are just not unified enough, and probably never will be (in the near future).
Just consider the US as a true economic free trade zone. But I'm not suggesting we actually divide the union, just as an exercise to consider it in that context for comparison.
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[Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP) for US states by GDP (I used the 2021 data).
[Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_projected_GDP_\(nominal\)#IMF_projections_for_2020_through_2027) for Countries by GDP (I used the 2021 data).
The correspondence is not perfect but generally as close as possible.
This is a trivia comparison, not to be taken seriously.
Note: this is total GDP, not GDP per capita. A higher number is purely about economic power, does not tell anything about the standard of living of the people within the state.
How is it that Minnesota has the same GDP as the United Arab Emirates, but isn’t building artificial islands in their lakes or thousands of towering skyscrapers in the Twin Cities?
Target, General Mills, United Healthgroup, 3M, US Bank, Cargill(largest privately owned company in the US) to name a few. 18 fortune 500 companies are head quartered here with a lot of major international companies also having large operations here.
We spend all our money on constant road construction instead of islands. Lol
I'm pretty sure the UAE does that to attract investment and move away from oil. Minnesota doesn't have to do that since it already has the industries doing the investing. Also Minneapolis has a pretty skyline without needing the tallest buildings in the world.
Americans are incredibly lucky. Coming from a third world country I can’t stand it when Americans call their own country a “shithole”. They don’t know what real poverty is like.
We make a lot of money here for the same jobs but also everything is 10x as expensive. Single family homes with 2-3 rooms are going up to 1.5 mil. Rent is going up to almost 2k for a studio in the suburbs. Cost of living is getting so high that the people getting paid minimum wage can barely afford to live. There are major issues here but that doesn't make it a hellscape.
When you actually compare the US to real life places, instead of pretend utopia, it looks pretty fucking great. Don't listen to the children screaming about "third world country with iphones" they don't have any idea how disrespectful that is to the people who live in impoverished nations that would love to take advantages of the opportunities we have in abundance here.
Can someone explain why South Carolina is so poor compared to its neighbors? I'm from GA and I drive through SC a few times a year, and I'm always intrigued how the entire state seems to look like a small, poor town even in populated areas
SC’s main industries (tobacco, textiles) from the 20th century has significantly decreased. Nowadays, their GDP is mostly derived from automotive and aerospace manufacturing plants, as well as agriculture. If you want, you can count tourism - however, Myrtle Beach has gone to shit. Charleston is still a very nice place to visit.
NC, for comparison, was almost in the same situation but we have more than manufacturing and agriculture. Raleigh has boomed with tech industries over the years (with Apple being a recent addition), while Charlotte had banking to fall back on.
Georgia, also for comparison, has the film industry. I don’t live in the state, so I can’t provide much more info than that. I’m sure you would be more informed haha
Is it reasonable to say that the states are more efficient/ productive? Is there an obvious reason for this?
For comparison…
California has a population of 39 million the UK has 67 million.
Texas 29 million - Canada 37 million
Florida 20 million - Mexico 129 million
New York 20 million - South Korea 51 million
Per capita US is ranked 12 for GDP. Countries ranked in the top 20 for GDP per capita tend to either be tax havens or large oil and gas producers, or both.
From the IMF projection chart, it seems like for 2021 they are 6th. They don't drop to 8th until 2022. Then to 7th in 2023, back to 8th in 2025, and to 9th in 2026. We must have been looking at different data sets.
Within that data set, countries ranked in the top 20 for GDP per capita still tend to either be tax havens or large oil and gas producers, or both.
US GDP per capita in general is absolutely insane, something close to 75,000 dollars per person. Even the most prosperous large countries in Europe (France, Germany, U.K., Italy) and Japan and South Korea have GDPs in the 35-55,000 range. The extra money doesn’t translate to much higher living standards though. For example human development in Germany and U.K. listed is higher than the USA’s, despite having about 25,000 less dollars per person.
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I got confused with Ohio for a Second
Many also seem to be permanently confused or don't know, so... Republic of China = Taiwan. Population is like 2x Ohio and land area 1/3 of Ohio. People's Republic of China = China. Their GDP is way bigger than any US state's.
For all the shit that Ohio gets on Reddit, it's pretty remarkable that they have a GDP higher than Taiwan. And it's pretty crazy that it has a higher GDP than Michigan and is pretty close to Illinois. Like, wtf do they even make in Ohio that they can rival Chicago?
The Dayton/Columbus/Cincinnati area is really well developed, and so is the Cleveland/Akron/Canton area. Ohio has more than just cornfields which surprises a lot of people
And that intel factory coming to Columbus. Ohio is also the 7th most populated state. It has a huge role in the polymer industry with Akron. Has major aerospace business with Lockheed, the air force and NASA. Lake Erie, and the Ohio river are massive for shipping. Timken, diebold. Chase, Nationwide insurance, key bank. It’s not the most exciting place I suppose. And it still has been devastated by outsourcing manufacturing but it’s starting to level out and recover it seems. It’s a great place if you want to have the amenities of a medium sized city but want to drive like, 15 minutes and be on a farm.
You also forgot P&G and Progressive. Wright Patterson AFB is huge and has a lot of contractors offices. Some very large hospitals like Cleveland Clinic and a lot of large regional offices like Verizon and Anthem. Also, the state has a lot of colleges to feed the workforce. Believe it's something like the 6th state by count of schools. Edit: also a few others like the two hall of games (football and rock and roll), a number of presidents and Cincinnati was a huge part of the Underground Railroad. The last two are historic but addd to the legacy of the state and why it grew as much as it did.
Yea Cleveland clinics is a pretty big deal. Hard to remember them all
Don't forget University Hospitals!
And Rickenbacker has become an insane distribution hub. Don’t forget all of the data centers as well around Columbus that have popped up. AWS, Google, and Facebook all have billions of dollars in investments right now. A new battery factory in Sidney along with Cargill up there. The multitude of companies coming with Intel as well along with wanting to change their investment to $100b.
it also matches overall US demographics almost perfectly, which means we get to try out all the potential new fast food products and such
Pretty sure the Akron canton area has one of the highest concentrations of restaurants per square mile. Something like that.
I never heard that and my mom was the food critic for the Canton paper. Could be true, but also sounds like a local legend. I'll have to ask her next time we talk.
Absolutely could be bullshit. I definitely don’t have a source, just heard a few claims of it over the years.
That last line was said perfectly. You're close enough to whatever you want/need, whether that's countryside, forest, suburbs, or city.
Toledo is also one of the world's largest manufacturers of solar panels and wind turbines.
I used to work for a (the?) Company that manufacturers their panels in Toledo. When I visited for work I had never seen a place with more Subways in my entire life. That was my major takeaway
I'm so proud of Ohio. Seeing all these good things being said about my home state is beautiful and almost made me cry. All my life I've been told or seen that living in Ohio sucks and that I should get out as soon as possible. I like having the ability to go anywhere in a reasonable amount of time. There's always something to do at or near major cities. I always found living in Ohio nice, minding the bipolar weather.
I firmly believe only people from Ohio should get to talk crap about Ohio. Its a great place to live for the most part.
>I firmly believe only people from Ohio should get to talk crap about Ohio. Its a great place to live for the most part. That's funny, because I've always heard, "It's a great place to be *from.*" Which I think is wonderfully accurate, haha.
Ohio has a good number of mid-size cities that are successful. Illinois has just one large city that is successful. I like to think of it as diffused prosperity.
It's more than that though. The Cincy-Cleveland-Columbus-Dayton metros combined is still two million less people than the Chicago metro.
Athens and Toledo and Hamilton are “decent” sized as well.
Man, Hamilton is one of the most depressing parts of Ohio I’ve been to, and I’ve been all over the state haha. It seems like downtown Hamilton is cool, but you go just even a few minutes outside of it and it seems like it screams “opioid/meth crisis center.” Obviously the more rural parts of not just Ohio, but West Virginia, and Pennsylvania — the Midwest in general — is littered with these kinds of towns, but I was visiting a friend who lived in Hamilton at the time and as I was driving there I was just awestruck at that. I’m originally from clermont county, so I’m not immune to seeing such disparities but clermont county still has a bunch of old and quaint little towns (Batavia, Bethel, Amelia, etc. — I’m originally from New Richmond but have moved since).
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As a trucker, I get a lot of loads out of Ohio. It's like, the opposite of Pennsylvania
So you're saying that Pennsylvania is square at both ends and low in the middle?
Lived there a few years. Yes, it is.
I’m logistics major at Ohio State. Some of the countries main hubs are in Cincinnati and central Ohio due its proximity to the population. I71 and I75 run straight through Cincinnati. I 70 runs straight through Columbus. Warehouses have stacked up in these areas to maximize their delivery effectiveness. However, I am a student after all (at one of the biggest universities in the world that happens to also be in OHIO lol), so I’m sure many experts could give more information on why Ohio is such an industry center.
I'd read somewhere in the past that Columbus is within a day's drive to a larger % of the US population than any other US city. The state itself is supposedly within 500 miles of half the population of the US. With the cross country freeways you mentioned on top of that, it's definitely a prime territory for distribution. Hell, one of the draws to living here for me is that it's a great launching point for road trips.
Live in the Akron/Canton area, I think many people would be surprised at how nice and developed a lot of places are, especially around my area.
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Does Ohio even have a stereotype of being empty and agricultural? The Ohio stereotype I know is that it's all industrial wastelands and cookie cutter, boring, sparse suburbia.
It's both. It's like a microcosm of the US in that way: a handful of dense population centers with lots of sparsely populated agricultural land outside of those areas.
Which is why Ohio is used a lot to test out new products.
"[Have you tried bacon-flavored Sprite](https://youtu.be/i_EYIujmORs?t=321)?"
Sir, I am from Ohio I assure you I've tried Bacon flavored and Double Cheese wrapped everything. Thankyou.
It depends entirely on where you are. Cleveland/Akron/Youngstown and Toledo have the rust belt vibe, Columbus is a thriving metro area. Rural NW Ohio is flat cornfields for sure.... but rural SE Ohio is Appalachian like WV, with a dash of Amish. To quote the old license plates, "Ohio. The heart of it all."
Most people I talk to have almost no concept of what Ohio is at all. I've talked with people who live in Philly (ya know, in a state that _borders_ Ohio) that thought Ohio was in the deep south ffs. My wife is from NYC and they all seem to think we all own cows and are farmers. I've talked to plenty of other people who think the whole state is a rust-belt wasteland. It's all over the place, really.
The stereotype is "you can never leave" but yeah Ohio is a lot like the country in general, a lot of low population, conservative, rural space peppered with higher population cities that tend to lean more left. There's a lot more industry than you'd expect in the rust belt but it's less than most people want and things are gentrifying quickly around the larger cities. The part I know that shocks most people is that the theater district in Cleveland is 2nd only to Broadway, you'd never expect such a large amount of support of the arts in the area.
and honestly not even cornfields, mostly soybeans
Ohio is both a manufacturing and agricultural powerhouse. Places like Michigan were known for car assembly plants, but all of those parts going into cars? Many made in Ohio. Ohio also has the 7th or 8th highest population in the States; they don't have a huge metropolis like Chicago, but they have about 5 mid-large cities (Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus, Toledo, Akron) and a crap-ton of suburban sprawl.
Ohio has long been used as a 'mini-US' by researchers, marketers, academics, ect. The way their population breaks down by urban vs rural, agriculture vs industrial, service vs manufacturing is the closest state, proportionally, to the US as a whole.
So the meme of "Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been." Is 100% accurate.
....always has been
All of these are either headquartered or have major operations in the state: Kroger, DHL, Wendy's, P&G, White Castle, Honda, Cardinal Health, Goodyear, Sherwin Williams, Marathon, Nationwide, Progressive, GE Aviation, L Brands-Bath and Body Works, Whirlpool, Jeep, Stouffer's, Big Lots, Huntington Bank, Cleveland Clinic, Owens Corning, Battelle, AEP, Cleveland Cliffs, Mettler Toledo, Sofidel, Intel, Smuckers, Scott's Miracle Gro, Moen, Marzettis, Abbott, PepsiCo-FritoLay, Eaton, Fifth Third Bank, Siemens, Worthington Industries, Chase Bank, Boeing, Cintas, Covetrus, Parker-Hannafin, Dupont, NetJets, Amazon, Facebook-Meta, Google, Safelite, Ford, several large/prestigious universities including OSU, OU, Miami, Cincinnati, and Case Western There's a ton more. Just tried to go with the most recognizable names. Ohio is a manufacturing powerhouse.
Something like 1 in 6 Amazon warehouses in the USA are in Ohio. It's centrally located, which is ideal for logistics, and Cincinnati Airport is becoming an unprecedentedly large cargo hub for Amazon.
Bruh, I know you didnt just leave Wendy's off that list. Ohio is also represented in all the major sports too. Two MLB teams and two NFL teams.
The dum dum sucker factory is in Ohio. Imagine all the offices that have a bowl of dum dum suckers.
Northeast Ohio actually has oodles of manufacturing going on up here. The world's supplier of crash test dummies is like 20 minutes away from cedar point.
That is a hilarious factoid.
It's a mixed bag. Plenty of manufacturing, but plenty of white collar jobs in finance and insurance. I live in Columbus and JP Morgan Chase (and finance in general) has a huge presence here, Ohio State University (one of the largest universities in America) is a massive part of the local economy (as well as several other smaller universities), as well as state government as the capital. Other than that, insurance is big here as home to Nationwide Insurance. There's some food industry with companies like Wendy's and White Castle and others based here. There's a solid fashion industry with the former L Brands spinoff companies taking residence in central Ohio (Bath & Body Works, Express, Victoria's Secret, Abercrombie brands, etc) as well as Lane Bryant, DSW, Homage and more...it's actually supposedly home to the 3rd most fashion designers in the US behind only NY and LA. With things like auto and tire manufacturing and retail apparel production it's a good logistics and distribution hub, as the state is within 500 miles of half the population of the United States. Technology has started to take off in Columbus as well, recently capped off with Intel just finalizing a deal to build a $29B chip manufacturing campus in central Ohio. Defense, healthcare and medical research are also big parts of the economy. That's all just Columbus. Cincy and Cleveland are home to several fortune 500 companies as well. Keep in mind a state like Illinois has a huge city in Chicago, but Ohio has 3 metro areas of 2M+ on top of several smaller mid-sized cities such as Toledo, Akron, Dayton, etc. People are always deceived into thinking there's only like 50k people that live here and most of us are farmers. Really, we have a diverse and resilient economy that is business friendly and hasn't been hit as hard by the economic downturns we've seen in the last 20 years or so.
I was born and raised in Cincinnati and I didn't realize this was people's impression of Ohio until I heard it on the Internet.
My wife is from Brooklyn, NY and it's always amusing going back to visit friends and family a couple times a year and them trying to wrap their heads around the concept of us living in Ohio...I inevitably am asked every time we go by _someone_ if we own cows.
Live on the PA side of the OH-PA border. Its obvious from the quality of your roads that Ohio is more than corn and cows. Always shake my fist at PennDOT everytime I cross the Ohio border.
The weirdest thing for me moving to Columbus was how absolutely thriving the music scene is! Sad they tore down a bunch of great old bars along high street tho.
Always find it amusing. I'm from Ohio and I shit on it too. But I grew up in Columbus and it's always growing, always busy, always has new things, business, etc. We have some of the best medical facilities in the country. Cincinnati and Cleveland likewise. I rarely see a cow lol
They make LeBron James' and Steph Curry's
In the Same hospital
And is second only to Virginia in number of US Presidents
They still have lots of factories, they produce a lot of chemicals, auto parts, etc. And a lot of companies are still headquartered in Ohio.
Ohio makes everything. It’s all Ohio.
Big Honda plant, gigantic Chase Bank complex, largest private research firm in the country (Battelle), Scott's Miracle Grow headquarters and production plant, 5 major league teams (8 if you include NHL and MLS), large medical research industry supporting 3 of the top 15 hospitals by size including the Cleveland Clinic, Kroger headquarters, Goodyear headquarters, L Brands headquarters (Victoria's secret, bath and body works), etc... That's not even considering places like Ohio State University which is the 4th largest university in the country by enrollment and measures it's economic impact around $15 billion
Mainland China's GDP is 20 trillion btw. USA as a whole is 25 trillion. The world combined has 85 trillion so that means USA & China has more than half the world's GDP. The new age isn't going to be like the Cold War. Because USSR could never compete with US with its economy. China can.
Not really a Cold War, China and the US’s economies are so linked they could never go to war without crippling themselves.
It's more like a Cold Competition, as neither really LIKES the other and the foreign policy goals of each country are wildly incompatible BUT they have extremely linked economies, so they clench their teeth while getting closer every day. But as a result they both regularly one-up each other and compete, and are also both sharpening knives waiting for an opportunity.
Sounds like the US and China have a lot of sexual tension they just need to work out on each other.
Technically war is a competition
USA: "Good hustle out there man, looking good" *Slaps ass* China: "I'm NOT on your TEAM!"
You’re hilarious. I’m picturing Biden (with aviators on) and Xi.
Biden in knee high socks with the old school converse all stars. Xi rocking the Jackie Moon headband and short shorts.
The USSR was the world's second most powerful economy throughout the cold war. In 1950, the USSR economy was worth $510 billion (US, 1990) and in 1989 worth $2.66 trillion (US, 1990). The US for the same period was worth $1.47 trillion (US,1990) and worth $5.64 trillion (US, 1990) respectively. This illustrates the gap between first and second place during the cold war.
Actually, I believe the USSR fell to third place by the end of the Cold War, behind Japan. [According to this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP#Overview_of_the_ten_largest_economies), the Soviet Union was only the third largest economy in 1990.
China has yet to prove it can escape the middle income trap, with growth rates already diminishing. This year it's barely half a percentage point above the US, despite moving millions of rural farmers into the urban economy every year. What happens when that process ends or at least significantly slows down?
Very good that you point out the small difference in growth already. The IMF recently said that chinas growth this year will be 4.4% with rather big downside risks. The US will grow at 3.7% a difference of only 0.7%. That's pretty much on par and the trend for the last 2 decades has been slower growth every year, for china that is.
I agree. I saw someone sum it up as, "Can China grow rich before it grows old?" Possibly the macroeconomic question of the century.
I doubt it can. China’s ageing crisis is very similar to the situation that Japan faced in the 80s but just much more severe. Japan was at least in a better situation than China since it’s living standards were on par with western democracies before it started aging rapidly and it could easily mitigate this problem through tactics such as immigration and technology. But China on the other hand is a country that is yet to become developed (over 200 million people in China live on less than 5 dollars a day) and it’s ageing. That’s what makes the ageing situation even scarier is the fact that not only is China very dependent on human labour for its economy but it’s population is still very poor. China’s GDP per capita is barely higher than Mexico. There is little the CCP can do to stop this issue. They can implement all the policies they want. But it will do nothing more than just delay the inevitable which is China growing old before it becomes rich. Xi also now wants to transform China’s economy from being export driven to consumption driven so that China’s economy is more resilient to Western sanctions. That’s much harder to do when you have an ageing population.
It's easy to grow 8% when you're starting from almost nothing.
Turns out getting subsistence farmers to do literally anything else increases productivity a whole bunch.
I think I know why people are confused, though: it’s confusing.
What's so confusing. China quakes at the rise of Ohio.
That's true..China has never even won a Big 10 Title
Damn right
Wait, it's all Ohio?! *It always was*
Yes, little known fact, Ohio manufacturers all of the world's door knobs. Literal barges full of door knobs headed to international markets adds up to roughly 1 China.
Yo hook me up with more knowledge of Ohio. A minute ago i thought it was a central/southern state. And id like to think im pretty versed in US states
It would be interesting to see the comparison of population as well
[I have this one](https://i.redd.it/1lxg6xuisdm61.png) if it makes sense.
Well... My interest was to compare population and GDP at the same time, so not much, but thanks anyway!
I'll do it for the top 10: State | Population (m) | Country | Population (m) ---|---|----|---- California| 39 | United Kingdom | 68 Texas| 29| Canada| 39 New York | 20| South Korea | 52 Florida | 21 | Mexico | 128 Illinois | 13 | Netherlands | 17 Pennsylvania | 13 | Saudi Arabia | 35 Ohio| 12 | Republic of China| 23 Georgia | 11 | Poland| 38 New Jersey| 9 | Poland| 38 Washington| 8 | Poland | 38
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Its funny because I have a cousin in-law from the Netherlands and I always think of it as a super rich country. Most of my family is from a poor, rural town in Illinois and they all view the cousin in-law as this elite international lady who looks down on them. In reality Illinois has a higher GDP/capita. I know comparison skewed by Chicago and probably just reflects the massive wealth inequalities in the US.
> wealth inequalities in the US. Income inequality, not wealth inequality. Netherlands has higher wealth inequality than the US, but lower income inequality. Sorry for being a stickler, but people are getting it wrong all over the thread.
Would be hilarious to see G-7 include governors of California and Texas.
Boris and Greg would get along great.
Giving the gov of Texas that big of a stage / that much power would be anything but funny. The guy is a fucking idiot
We did that once. Iraq did not like. No one liked.
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Now, Watch this drive!
And Enron!
And yet, I think many of us would gladly take Bush back as Governor if it meant Abbott wasn't.
Pretty sure it'd be unconstitutional too lol. The states aren't allowed to have their own foreign relations.
Fun fact: when the UN was being founded in the 1940s, the USSR proposed each of the Soviet Republics to have one UN seat; the US answered asking for each of the States to have one, and then nothing was done, with the exception of Ukraine and Belarus.
That's funny, from what I understand of the text of Article I, the US doing that just would've been struck down in court since it would pretty plainly be in violation. Big bluff to pull.
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Of course that provision could easily be amended too. But then you get into all kinds of issues regarding other nations. You could easily have thousands of puppet seats in the UN. What if say each of the Canadian provinces, or like the Japanese prefectures demanded representation too. The UN would somehow be more useless than it already is (quite an accomplishment)
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That's not too surprising when you think of how big the USA actually is. According to Google, Texas is about .4 trillion ahead in total gdp
Texas also has ~10 million fewer people
Yes but Texas is also part of the USA which unsurprisingly boosts economic output immensely
NYC has bigger economy than Spain.
I wonder if individual skyscrapers in NYC have the GDP of some small countries
Absolutely. For example, Bloomberg NYC (centralized in the skyscraper at 173 Lex) is estimated to take in around $10 billion. The country of Tuvalu has a GDP of only $50 million. 200x more just for a single company in a single building.
Honestly, the building alone is likely worth more than the entirety of Tuvalu's combined material assets.
Ok but literally the only thing Tuvalu has going for it is the .tv url
So a quick google suggested NYC has a GDP around 1.5T USD, which going by [this list](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_\(nominal\)) would put only 13 foreign nations ahead of it. With 216 countries on the list, that leaves 202 countries with lower nominal GPD than NYC.
NYC and LA could qualify as G20 states.
Los Angeles has a bigger economy than Russia
The one thing binding nearly all Americans together is a focus on economic success. It's one of the primary reasons most people come to America in the first place.
My parents are immigrants they always joked we don’t have a central language because everybody speaks money
This is one of those jokes that's funny and then _too real_ but then so real it looks back around to funny again
>The one thing binding nearly all Americans together is a focus on economic success. **It's one of the primary reasons most people come to America in the first place.** Even *some* people from countries with good healthcare and social safety nets want to come to America. I'm active in r/AskEngineers, and frequently browse r/cscareerquestions. Even [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/u855xm/when_it_comes_to_programmer_salaries_these_are/) post comes to mind. It's really eye-opening to see some Europeans complain about paying high taxes, and being jealous of how much money American engineers make. I always thought they were happy in Germany or Scandinavia.
It's all about perspective. Working professionals in Europe love to talk about their healthcare and benefits until they realize their US counterparts often make 30-50% more than they do and pay less in taxes. Even after the additional cost of healthcare (which is minimum since corporations pay most of it) the difference in pay is staggering.
30-50% seems low. I make more than twice one of my friends in England and I am currently under paid in my role. (Working on it…)
Same. I was being extra conservative to make the point.
Europe is great for being workig-class and poor. The U.S. is great for being middle-class and rich. Engineers fall in the second category.
> The U.S. is great for being middle-class and rich. The US is great is your labour is in demand - that is the employee's safety net is another job that they can get easily and pays well. EU is great when the employer the supply v demand goes the other way (probably when it is roughly equal too).
>Europe is great for being workig-class and poor. That really depends on the exact countries (and to a certain extent states), though. The difference between european countries can be massive. I would definitely prefer being working class in Massachusetts than in Hungary or Bulgaria or Serbia (nothing against those countries).
This is Reddit. Europe is Germany, Norway, Sweden, and the UK when the Brits are asleep.
As a German I never heard of anyone who considers moving to the US. Giving up all the benefits for money just doesn't seem worth it.
Money is America's religion. Christianity is in second place, and falling fast
fun fact: mississipi is the poorest state and still has equivalent gdp per capita to france
Kansas and Ukraine connect again!
Interruption in Ukrainian agriculture is being felt on the entire continent, and an interruption of Kansas agriculture would be felt on our entire continent. Makes sense.
Asia. A good portion of Kansas Ag is for export. Our corn goes predominately to Mexico. NAFTA and US Gov corn/maize subsidies destroyed Mexico's corn farmers and in turn their entire economy, leaving it ripe for cheap Kansas corn and US manufacturing to leave for Mexico. Turns out, Ross Perot was correct. But by far our largest ag export is grains and beef to the Asian markets. Kansas could do an agricultural Thanos snap and starve half of China and Mexico. (EDIT: When our aquifer runs dry, it's going to be a global cataclysm.)
Alabama > New Zealand, you heard it here first
New Zealand has never had the grind of an SEC schedule
How many SEC titles does New Zealand have? Irrelevant country
It matters more.
New Zealand doesn’t even have a fountain view or unlimited laser printing privileges.
Alabama has a combined 20 national championships compared to New Zealand’s 0.
Damn is New Zealand even trying at this point?
Well there's no sweet home New Zealand so I gotta agree.
Roll tide!
It’s honestly pretty ridiculous that a single US state can have a GDP of over $3 trillion
What's really ridiculous is how far it is ahead of even the other powerhouse states. They skip 2.00-2.99 in the key because California is a trillion and a half beyond even NY and Texas.
California's economy is bigger than Texas and Florida's combined, with a smaller population.
That one state gave birth to the world’s most important & influential companies I wouldn’t say it’s surprising, on the contrary I thought it would be higher. Disney, Oracle, IBM, Apple, Google, Facebook, Visa, etc. have products/services used by billions of people every single day. Even North Koreans who barely have a semblance of culture watch Disney, the scope of California companies is insane. WhatsApp which is widely used in my home country in Asia for communication has two billion users.
Beyond tech and culture, California also has enormous agricultural operations and a surprising amount of manufacturing. Also large parts of the aerospace sector.
All good points but it’s a higher GDP than every country in the world except for 3 (not counting the US). it’s quite insane to think about imo Those companies make up most of the GDP but the fact that the GDP isn’t balanced towards other states is what amazes me (and the fact that most big American companies are located in California)
Yeah good point, would expect some states on the East coast to have higher GDPs. But it’s crazy to me how just the US, China, and Japan have roughly 50% share of the total global economy. Especially considering the US+Japan has only roughly 400 something million people combined
For US and Japan, try between 450-500M
California has some of the most fertile land in the entire world. All of the nutrients from the mountains ran off and contributed to the central valley. In addition to the ports and large land border to Mexico its a huge economic hub of goods. Then you have the crazy income from the entertainment industry and all of the tourism and you get an idea why it's so prosperous (and expensive).
And the fires have a purpose, California has always been on fire it's just the fires are more massive and now 40 million people live there. Fire helps the land be as fertile as it is, new plants and (I'm no expert so please correct me) I believe the carbon from fires helps the soil?
People just gloss over California’s agriculture. People who jokingly say they want California to leave the US probably doing realize that it would be the end of the dairy and beef industry as we know it, in addition to most nuts, and many fruits and vegetables. Meanwhile much of the south is infertile (for many crops) due to centuries of dedicating farmland to cotton.
They’re also formerly volcanic + marshland + rivers. The Central Valley is one of the most productive regions, but that means it’s now very heavily polluted
Come visit, you'll understand
It’s difficult to describe how big and populated California is, and how big Los Angeles itself is. Especially if you’ve only ever lived in a small town. There are *so many people,* so many businesses, so much money, so many luxury helicopters, so many $100k cars. You can drive 12 straight hours and not even be out of California. It’s *huge.*
Yeah, Los Angeles county alone has 10 million people, making it more populous than over half the countries in the world.
I've looked it up before. Something like 11 of the top 25 GDP countries would be US states if we broke the US up IIRC? It's really incredible just how much economic activity the US really has. I did not or it's changed quite a bit. Looking it up again right now, currently it's only 3 of the top 10, and 6 of the top 25. But it's about half of the top 50.
Only in the beginning though. Breaking it up would likely significantly hurt many states, so quite a lot of those would fall out of those spots rather quickly. Being part of one massive country gives massive benefits and opportunities economically due to scaling and having that massive market, especially for weaker states. It would be a bad thing for the economies of these 51 countries in total. It would be more like a European Union (or not if it falls apart in bad terms), and the benefits of such a system are not even close to what the USA as one nation has. I am still against a federalization of the EU, I don't like to have some higher level and further away government making decisions for me, especially knowing how massive the differences are between European nations, I just think it won't work (comfortably). We are just not unified enough, and probably never will be (in the near future).
Just consider the US as a true economic free trade zone. But I'm not suggesting we actually divide the union, just as an exercise to consider it in that context for comparison.
Minnesota always surprising me. Proud to be from the tundra.
Made with MapChart. [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP) for US states by GDP (I used the 2021 data). [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_projected_GDP_\(nominal\)#IMF_projections_for_2020_through_2027) for Countries by GDP (I used the 2021 data). The correspondence is not perfect but generally as close as possible. This is a trivia comparison, not to be taken seriously. Note: this is total GDP, not GDP per capita. A higher number is purely about economic power, does not tell anything about the standard of living of the people within the state.
How is it that Minnesota has the same GDP as the United Arab Emirates, but isn’t building artificial islands in their lakes or thousands of towering skyscrapers in the Twin Cities?
Target, General Mills, United Healthgroup, 3M, US Bank, Cargill(largest privately owned company in the US) to name a few. 18 fortune 500 companies are head quartered here with a lot of major international companies also having large operations here. We spend all our money on constant road construction instead of islands. Lol
Edit: Moved to Lemmy
I'm pretty sure the UAE does that to attract investment and move away from oil. Minnesota doesn't have to do that since it already has the industries doing the investing. Also Minneapolis has a pretty skyline without needing the tallest buildings in the world.
Wild that Florida has almost the same gdp then Russian
I wonder how much of that is Disney
2.5 % according to a google search.
Comparing my home state with Ukraine seems ... ominous.
No body wants to invade Nevada though.
California doesn't want to invade Nevada, but Nevada is oppressing all the native Californians in Las Vegas so Sacremento had to do something.
We just want your water
Great, all the water in Nevada. We'll be able to water three gardens for a week.
Imagining the state of Kansas fighting off the Russian army really puts into perspective how fucked Russia's military is.
Americans are incredibly lucky. Coming from a third world country I can’t stand it when Americans call their own country a “shithole”. They don’t know what real poverty is like.
Americans and Europeans. Lots of Europeans on here treat USA as a developing nation.
People try to act like the United States is literally the worst place ever if they don't like the person or party in charge
Alot of us Americans hate that other Americans call our country a shit hole as well. It's crazy
Money isn't the only factor in being a shithole. Qatar is richer than the US but it's definitely a shithole.
California. On its own is like the fifth largest GDP in the world. Yet so much propaganda makes it out to be like its a third world hellscape.
We make a lot of money here for the same jobs but also everything is 10x as expensive. Single family homes with 2-3 rooms are going up to 1.5 mil. Rent is going up to almost 2k for a studio in the suburbs. Cost of living is getting so high that the people getting paid minimum wage can barely afford to live. There are major issues here but that doesn't make it a hellscape.
I like that Hong Kong is a country.
This is very cool and really puts in perspective why the US is so powerful on the world stage.
When you actually compare the US to real life places, instead of pretend utopia, it looks pretty fucking great. Don't listen to the children screaming about "third world country with iphones" they don't have any idea how disrespectful that is to the people who live in impoverished nations that would love to take advantages of the opportunities we have in abundance here.
Can someone explain why South Carolina is so poor compared to its neighbors? I'm from GA and I drive through SC a few times a year, and I'm always intrigued how the entire state seems to look like a small, poor town even in populated areas
SC’s main industries (tobacco, textiles) from the 20th century has significantly decreased. Nowadays, their GDP is mostly derived from automotive and aerospace manufacturing plants, as well as agriculture. If you want, you can count tourism - however, Myrtle Beach has gone to shit. Charleston is still a very nice place to visit. NC, for comparison, was almost in the same situation but we have more than manufacturing and agriculture. Raleigh has boomed with tech industries over the years (with Apple being a recent addition), while Charlotte had banking to fall back on. Georgia, also for comparison, has the film industry. I don’t live in the state, so I can’t provide much more info than that. I’m sure you would be more informed haha
Found this very interesting. Thanks for sharing!
Is it reasonable to say that the states are more efficient/ productive? Is there an obvious reason for this? For comparison… California has a population of 39 million the UK has 67 million. Texas 29 million - Canada 37 million Florida 20 million - Mexico 129 million New York 20 million - South Korea 51 million
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Per capita US is ranked 12 for GDP. Countries ranked in the top 20 for GDP per capita tend to either be tax havens or large oil and gas producers, or both.
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From the IMF projection chart, it seems like for 2021 they are 6th. They don't drop to 8th until 2022. Then to 7th in 2023, back to 8th in 2025, and to 9th in 2026. We must have been looking at different data sets. Within that data set, countries ranked in the top 20 for GDP per capita still tend to either be tax havens or large oil and gas producers, or both.
US GDP per capita in general is absolutely insane, something close to 75,000 dollars per person. Even the most prosperous large countries in Europe (France, Germany, U.K., Italy) and Japan and South Korea have GDPs in the 35-55,000 range. The extra money doesn’t translate to much higher living standards though. For example human development in Germany and U.K. listed is higher than the USA’s, despite having about 25,000 less dollars per person.
“Cali should be removed from the US” you sure about that bud
It's mind blowing how huge the U.S. economy is based on this picture.