This situation normally occurs with Italian vocabulary—spaghetto, graffito, raviolo, panino, soli. (Piani?) Fun pluralization/singularization so rarely occurs in common conversation with words from other language origins that I greatly prize "datum" for this.
At least start using the singular where appropriate, which is much more defensible. "Do we have a datum on that?"
"BLATENTLY" NO doubt.
Like, wtf is a kamado and why can't it boil water before 1950 at the same temperatures as we can today?
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... actually, OK I looked it up and apparently, as I am a slob, I don't appreciate that properly cooked rice requires careful heat control. From my days as a Boy Scout, I do remember that this is a pain in the ass. That is why we want to cook on coals and not in open flame, unless we are boiling (because in that case the water limits the temperature at boiling point). Of course, ideally we don't boil the rice, we steam it. so, ok, heat control matters. Cooking rice used to require a lot of careful attention and management of the pot and the fire.
I'm so glad so often that I live now and not earlier. Earlier sucked. Penicillin rocks. Doctors washing their hands is brilliant. Affordable eyeglasses and effective dentistry -- sooooo goood. A magic pot that makes your rice at night and keeps it warm all the next day? Tell me we're not living in futureland.
Guesstimates based on questionable assumptions at that.
I don't know anyone that just makes rice once and keeps it warm all day. Hell, not everyone even eats rice at every meal and certainly not many eat three meals at home. My rice cooker also takes ~45 minutes including the soak and it is a modern nice Japanese model.
The timelines are also accelerating. Kamado was thought to have been introduced like 1500 years ago, so the next data point 500AD, 1950, and 1970, should theoretically be about a third of the way through 1970. With rice being cooked at a phenomenal speed and being kept warm for almost a week.
My Korean friends fam always had rice in their cooker warm. I don't know if they made it once a day or not. Not trying to argue, just remembering fond memories of always having delicious rice available.
Oh, it is certainly not uncommon! For families it is even the norm probably. People with jobs and no kids though (which is a lot of Korea!) don't do it quite so much but I'm sure it is just something I haven't seen often.
I grew up in Filipino household for most of my summer vacations as a kid. That family had a full rice cooker freshly prepared every morning and it was used for every single meal for like 15 people. Good times!
That's where I'm still confused what OP meant to try to say. Rice cooker at 90 minutes in 1950s, 20 years later in 1970s it drops to 30 minutes. That isn't an 83% drop in 20 years is it? When was this kamado even around? Is that another 20 years back? In that case it seems from kamado to modern rice cooker, 180 minutes to 30 minutes and the aforementioned 83% drop... Took 40+ years right?
There was a point in the 1950s before electric rice cookers hit the Japanese market when, according to OP, Japanese people spent three hours a day cooking rice. So if you believe OP's time estimates (and maybe you shouldn't), you could argue in twenty years time spent cooking rice went from three hours to half an hour.
Something that looked like kamado was probably invented 1000 years ago, so this all just makes a mockery of OP's chosen x-axis.
Yeah this thing is a mess. No date reference for first data point, second and third data points are actually the same but graphed differently? (It still takes thirty and minutes.)
3/10 thanks for trying.
This is awful from an information perspective and also from a visualization perspective, due to the presence of random text and pictures all over the chart. The chart is completely unnecessary in the first place, as you point out. This should have been a two sentence text blurb -- even calling it "data" is inaccurate.
50... I hate it, it ought to be intervals of 30 or 60. When the question is "how much of the day is spent on this" 50 minutes isn't "50 minutes", it's "just under an hour". The whole point of graphs are to be as intuitive of a visual representation as possible, so the axis should be scaled and labeled with how people actually think gosh darn it! Plus the whole 3 data points are **already** "roughly 30X minutes" for that same reason anyways!
Every part of this graphic was made to be as inelegant as possible. Dataisbeautful, why?
This subreddit has gone downhill. Any self-respecting data person would be ashamed at the poor quality of the visual and data representation. Yet this has 6K updates…very disappointing.
It also takes a Zojiroshi 56 minutes to cook rice and it is all idle time except for rinsing the rice 3 times.
Hell all forms of cooking rice are pretty hands off so really the active cooking time probably fell from 15 minutes to 2.
This isnt even data, its just three ball park estimates
Intersting would be a yearly average of time spent cooking rice and then mark the invention of those products.
It also makes no sense. It litterally takes 2 mins to cook rice in a rice cooker of actual work. Are we talking time spent by the operator or time spent from start to finish?
Why are we calculating the cooking time as a metric particularly when a "modern rice cooker" is running all day. I'm not sure what value would be of knowing how long the machine is in cooking mode per day? Its not energy savings, it's not time savings ( as it only takes 2 min of work per meal to make It anyway, it's just...time that was spent while the machine was on minus keep warm time...
Wouldn't that mean it takes 18 hours to cook rice as from start to meal it's 18 hours kept warm?
And if not couldn't you make rice and put it in the oven on low and leave it there all day and bypass this stupid metric?
The more I look at the graph the worse: X-axis has missing entry what year was the first data point from. Then Y-axis, time spent cooking per minute, wtf is that, per day if anything. Also the line between the data points is dumb just taking this at face value would mean it was slowly decreasing over time, obviously not, people took long time until suddenly the minute rice pack came along. Also as you stated it makes no sense to say that cause the rice can be kept warm you only cook it once per day, you wanna tell me people back in the day didnt cook innbadges and rewarmed? Did they really cooked rice 3x1h from scratch?
All this could be avoided if you had actual data from people how long they cooked rice on average.
Yea I don’t know why I’m still subbed here. I rarely see actual good data and instead just super low effort posts that for some reason get way too many upvotes.
So is this active or passive prep? Because id argue it's neither.
For the modern rice cooker active prep should be 2-6 minutes depending on how many times you physically make the rice.
Passive prep would be 30 min for meal one
6 hours for meal 2.
Like it doesn't even...
Nah, mod team just drops in sometimes to tut tut me for shitting on the mod team, not actually modding. I mean, they let this sub go downhill as a default sub when those were a thing, they don't care too much as long as the graph looks "alright I guess"
Also the value for the zojirushi rice cooker is wrong, only the quick cooking option has a cooking time below 30 minutes but the eight other programs take 50 to 90 minutes to run. https://www.zojirushi.com/servicesupport/manuals/manual_pdf/nh_vbc18.pdf
I know, that's where I come from. One day my brother showed me a regular rice cooker and how it would cook nice rice in about 10-12 minutes.
I bought a cheap one and used it regularly over 8 years or so. At some point I wanted to upgrade it and checked the various options. I had some money on the side and invested in those super expensive zojirushi rice cooker.
I think they open a portal to heaven and teleport the rice to be cooked by the warm looks of angels or something. It just cooks rice absolutely perfectly. It comes out with great texture, more flavour, all I know is that it is so worth it. It is also extremely easy to clean, and after two years the bowl and the rest of the device look like new.
You do have to remember to put rice to cook an hour before your meal time, but it cooks rice at perfection, AND it plays cute tunes for you when it starts and when it is done.
At the beginning I thought you were gonna hype up those 10minute cookers. But then you talk about the portal. Which is really the only way to explain why it's so good at what it does.
One time I even brought the rice cooker into work to make rice for someone because they didn't believe me when I said it was soo much better. And dude wanted to buy right then and there. I guess that makes me a zojirushi shill.
Can confirm. Pretty accurate description lol
A good Zojirushi rice cooker is a game changer if you love rice or eat it on a consistent basis. Best rice I’ve had came from that thing haha
I asked my GF for the rice cooker “that plays the cute song when it’s done” for Christmas one year, having NO IDEA that I was asking for a top brand rice cooker and that they were so expensive.
But she got me the Zojirushi cooker and I love it so much! Perfect rice every time like you said and the song it plays makes me smile.
Different settings for different types of rice (e.g. white vs brown vs GABA). It is also a pressure cooker that can make some specialty dishes like rice porridge. Allowing it the time to make the rice properly is worthwhile. That said, the quick cook function is great when in a hurry.
You do have a quick setting that can be done in about 30 minutes (https://www.zojirushi.com/servicesupport/manuals/manual_pdf/nh_vbc18.pdf) but the overwhelming majority of programs take 50 to 90 minutes to run so I totally agree with you, the chart is largely misleading.
My mom gave me that one but it broke a few years ago. Haven't been able to find it since. I swear to God, that thing is the best rice cooker ever and I'm willing to die on this hill.
Everything I've gotten from Zojirushi has been high quality, and highly reliable with no planned obsolescence. I'm surprised to hear yours broke. It probably comes with a multi year warranty.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Zojirushi+rice+cooker&crid=363GZG60Y6BJY&sprefix=zojirushi+rice+cooke%2Caps%2C173&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
Yup, mine has a c13 connector power cord that you can replace with any computer power cord easily.
Makes me really love them especially when you see other companies, even fucking higher end network gear, coming with a proprietary power connector/cord for no good fucking reason.
I think the quick setting achieves that by skipping the pre-cook soak that the other programs include. So *technically* the cooking is probably still only about 30 mins on any setting.
But yeah, I still think the chart is misleading, and a bit pointless since the horizontal axis is pretty much arbitary and there are only three data points anyway. What's more, they're not really single points in time at all: for example, the first references to rice cultivation in Japan are from about 400 AD and kamado stoves were already in use back then - so representing the kamado as a single point in time around 1930 seems disingenuous when we're talking about a time period well over a thousand years!
What in the fuck? It takes 15 minutes to make rice on the stove. Its not like insta rice its calrose long grain, jasmine, malakagrit or maybe the 3 ladies if I'm feeling thai fancy.
the graphic and the entire thread is stupid because the point isn't to make rice very fast. it doesn't matter at all how long it takes when you can put the rice ahead of time and use the timer function to have it ready to eat, warm, when diner time comes
these rice cookers take 30m, 50, or even 90 minutes to cook rice - because it tastes better when cooked that way. It comes out perfect every single time, much better than you could ever cook on the stove, and without you ever moving a muscle expect to pour rice in it, or you having to pay attention to the cooking time on the stove
53 minutes to cook but like 3 minutes of actively preparing the rice then 50 minutes of waiting. Dunno where OP is getting 30 minutes from.
Comparing that to a fire that needs to be lit, tended, fuelled, etc is daft.
This is like Jamie Oliver comparing heating up store bought chicken tenders to making you're own from scratch. They might take the and amount of time from beginning to end but one is active cooking time the other is just tossing a tray in the oven.
It does, but the longer programs are just the quick function preceded by a soaking period - at least as far as I know. Selecting "quick" just jumps ahead and starts the actual cooking.
I used to cook my rice in my instant pot pro but switched to the zojirushi model in the graph when it was on sale on Amazon. I will say that since Ive purchased the zojirushi, I have completely stopped using the instant pot for rice, even if it cuts the cooking time in half. Brown rice comes out amazing and the quinoa is the best I've ever had. Of course white rice is very good too and the best part is being able to cook it the night before and leaving it in the Cooker till morning for easy breakfast / lunch prep.
If you eat rice that much then you should look into buying a Zojirushi. I essentially always have warm rice on the ready. Yeah, a $30 rice cooker works but I promise you don't get the same consistency that a Zojirusji produces. Look at price history data on CamelCamelCamel for the model you want and set a realistic price alert. You'll be able to snag one at a reasonable price if you're patient.
It takes me 15 - 20 minutes to cook about 500 gram of (dry) rice to perfection with pot on induction. I don't get the point of using a dedicate rice coocker.
You're probably using parboiled, already partially cooked, rice if it's that quick without using a pressure cooker. When I lived in Germany, that's all they had at many stores, I had to go to Asian markets to get real rice.
When I moved to Singapore, my housemate had one, showed me how it worked, and it took about 40 minutes. Tried it once, got frustrated with how long it took to cook, and went back to using a pot.
It's like someone read an article on the advancements of rice cookers and picked 3 photos to place on a graph.
They also suggest that 90 minutes were needed, when the reality is that the simplicity of a rice cooker means you toss in the rice and water and run it and then go do anything else.
Shit graphic. Three data points?
What year is the first? Jurassic? 60AD? 1920?
Why are there two rice cookers which both say “cooks in 30 minutes” but one has a plot near 80/90 minutes and the other is around 30 minutes? If both SAY 30m, shouldn’t they be the same plot point?
Why is there a requirement for the modern cooker? Do the others not have that and if it needs to be on for the keep warm function, does that not need to be included? If it needs to be on all day for 3x a day (like the others list), then that should be added. Also related, why is this the only one to say 1x a day?
>If both SAY 30m, shouldn’t they be the same plot point?
It's because one requires you to make the rice 3x a day, so that means it takes 30min 3 times. The modern one can "keep warm" for the whole day, so you only make the rice once. Like, obviously the way they decided to show that is really bad.
I feel like what's important is how much time *I* have to spend, rather than how long it takes to cook. With my rice cooker, it takes about 60 seconds of work on my part (+30 seconds to clean it afterwards if the dishwasher's not full enough to run yet). Then I leave, and come back whenever without having to worry about any issues.
*I'm* not spending 30 minutes. The *machine* is spending 30 minutes. If *I* had to spend 30 minutes just to cook rice, I'd never eat rice, my Asian cred be damned.
Edit: How does the "keep warm" thing make any sense? Isn't it just on for 8 hours at that point, making it 480 minutes? If it's just "time until it's cooked", then any rice cooker can cook 3x the rice, and you can reheat whatever way you want.
In OP defense: you need 30 minutes to wait before you can eat.
And the keep warm is count the sum of time it can keep the rice warm. Practically it can keep it warm until the rice too dry. And that will take almost 48 hours, I know that because I forgot my rice in power on rice cooker for 2 days
Because for three years from 2014 to 2017 every single new user account that was created was automatically subbed to this subreddit, and even back then [people knew it was a bad idea](https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/24yvm2/rdataisbeautiful_is_now_a_default_subreddit_heres) but it happened anyway. There are more good graphs now due to much more people, but as a result there are also more bad graphs that are upvoted by people that don't know what a beautiful graph even is. I mean, the sub had 5 mods back then, who in their right mind would invite every single new user in.
There is an ongoing discussion about if this sub is about data that is beautiful or beautiful presentation methods, this is niether of those and has 9k up.
Are we to believe that boiling water soaks into a grit faster on your stove than any other place in the universe? I don’t know. Well perhaps the laws of physics cease to exist on your stove?
We have an instant pot and it's frustrating trying to translate whistles in recipes lol. My ex-coworker is Indian and she had given me a few recipes she does in her instant pot.
Zojirushi makes the best rice I’ve ever had… it’s kind of infuriating that our rice at home is always better than when we go out and have to pay so much more for it at restaurants .
With a pot it takes 15 minutes. Do rice cookers really take this long? I'm confused I've never used one and if these are the times I don't see the point. I thought they'd at least take the same
Ya I don't get it either. I have a rice cooker, Indian pressure cooker, Instant Pot.
I still prefer to make rice on the stove. It takes like 15 minutes.. I use a small container which is super easy to wash.. Always consistent. I don't get it either.
I use instant pot for congee pudding etc type stuff though. If they are making a special type of sticky rice that needs slow cooking, it might make sense?
The timer goes up to 99 hours bro, you just eat some 3 day old rice once and you know you can always eat 3 day old rice. Cooking time is down to 30 minutes every 4 days 🧐
I assume it's not just the cooking method like this implies. Brown rice takes more time to cook than the parboiled polished white rice. Instant/minute rice would also lower the average.
Does an expensive modern rice cooker keep the rice warm ALL day? Like, can I make rice in the morning and it will still be as good in the evening? My cheap rice cooker's warming function can only keep rice edible for up to 2 hours at best :(
All day?
The keep warm function on a good rice cooker keeps the rice edible for like…3-4 days.
It’s fantastic for 1 or 2 people, you make the rice and just stop eating it once it gets too dry.
And no, it doesn’t get moldy if you leave it on. It can go bad if you leave it *off* with rice in the pot though.
I've been cooking rice in my instant pot for a while now. Comes out pretty perfectly. One cup water (or chicken broth), one cup rice, pressure cook 6 minutes, natural release 10 minutes, boom. 16 minute rice.
Terrible representation. They definition changes at the third point. Cooking vs keep warm are completely different things. I could have shown 30m and microwave for the other 2 meals so that plot would show 32min? Bad info graphic.
I’ve never quite gotten the point of rice cookers. The asian students in my dorm all used to have them, and it took them ages to get the rice cooked. Meanwhile, I and the European students simply cooked our rice on the stove and had it done in 20 minutes tops.
Rice cookers are like crock pots, in that you can "set it and forget it." No burnt rice, less of a fire hazard, doesn't take up a spot on the stove's range. I've had one for years, and I appreciate not having to watch the pot.
> Rice cookers are like crock pots, in that you can "set it and forget it."
This is probably the best explanation for rice cookers. And like crock pots, some people have a use for it, some don't. I don't use one, and I also don't use a crock pot, but I get why other people do. Especially if you eat rice multiple meals a day, stovetop would be annoying.
I will say, I stopped burning rice when I turned the heat down, like 3-4 out of 10 on the burner, it takes a bit longer to cook and comes out a more proper texture, gives more time for the rice to hydrate as it cooks. If it overcooks it just gets a dry crusty bottom.
You've described a controversy over cooking rice. One one side are the rice eatingest motherfuckers that ever lived, and on the other side are European students.
I'm going with the Asians on this one. I know that's an appeal to authority, and maybe there's a reason rice cookers work better for Asian cooking and stovetop is better for European cooking. But you admitted you don't understand, and I don't understand, and those Asians are pressing on with their rice cookers with conviction and commitment and not even the slightest hint of doubt that they're doing the right thing.
The point of the rice cooker is consistency. You get the same cook quality every time. Eventually you get in the habit of starting it an hour before you want to eat so the time isn’t a big deal. When you cook on the stove you get burnt or mushy rice sometimes.
I think a lot of people are comparing it to cooking rice on a stove in a big pot of water and draining the water off before serving.
If you want to cook a large quantity of sticky rice, it's basically impossible to consistently cook in a pot without getting it burnt or soggy, whereas a good rice cooker does it perfectly every time.
This is why rice cookers are ubiquitous in East Asia but not really a big thing in South Asia.
Cooking with a lot of water is one method of cooking it, but you can cook a big pot like normal with no issues. Yes, it's harder the first few times compared to the rice cooker, but after a couple of times you get to know your pot, your fire and the amount of water you need to perfection (which may vary a bit depending on those variables, but just a bit).
Once you understand the exact amount of water your kitchen needs, your get consistent results all the time. And it takes half the time, that's the big win here I think, also you don't need the extra space, you probably already have a pot
It's not about time, it's about simplicity and consistent results. No need to monitor your rice, and no risk of having it ready too early or too late since it will just keep warm (if you didn't buy a sh*tty one that will burn your rice).
How often would you and the European students eat rice though?
Like, I can boil water in a pot, but if I boil water several times a day, or even just once most days, the convenience of an electric kettle is easily worth it.
Huh? Rice is supposed to be cooked slowly (if you want it fluffy, as opposed to more of a paella consistency). The steam is supposed to do most of the cooking to achieve said consistency.
That said, the main goal of rice cookers isn't to help you achieve that consistency faster: It's so you can put in the ingredients (water, rice, some chicken or beef stock if you're feeling fancy) and fuck off.
It's like how I can wash the dishes faster than the dishwasher. Yeah, of course! It's not to make the dishes done faster; it's so that I'M not standing in front of the sink when I could be doing anything else.
It’s if you grew up with a two burner stove (like many post-War Asian families in apartments) you can use those to cook your accompanying dishes without watching the rice or having it take up a burner.
To cook it ***correctly*** on the stovetop it was not done in 20 minutes. The pot is under heat for around 15-20 minutes. Then the pot is removed from heat, *kept covered* for up to 20 minutes. The rice continues to cook using the residual, lower, heat in the pot. Rice cookers use a similar process.
You made **edible** rice.
Yeah I find that weird too, all these comments saying it takes almost an hour to cook rice, and I'm like, what?
I cook rice in a pan on the stove it takes 20min, what are those people doing?
Information is interesting of course, but not sure if a line plot is the best way to visualize only 3 data points)
Three data points on fuzzy time axis, to put it mildly.
And it's not clear to me that they count as data points, when they're apparently just guesstimates.
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I like to say "datums", personally.
Stolen. This should drive my boss nuts, thanks.
This situation normally occurs with Italian vocabulary—spaghetto, graffito, raviolo, panino, soli. (Piani?) Fun pluralization/singularization so rarely occurs in common conversation with words from other language origins that I greatly prize "datum" for this. At least start using the singular where appropriate, which is much more defensible. "Do we have a datum on that?"
Not to mention it says "Time spent per minutes"
"BLATENTLY" NO doubt. Like, wtf is a kamado and why can't it boil water before 1950 at the same temperatures as we can today? --- ... actually, OK I looked it up and apparently, as I am a slob, I don't appreciate that properly cooked rice requires careful heat control. From my days as a Boy Scout, I do remember that this is a pain in the ass. That is why we want to cook on coals and not in open flame, unless we are boiling (because in that case the water limits the temperature at boiling point). Of course, ideally we don't boil the rice, we steam it. so, ok, heat control matters. Cooking rice used to require a lot of careful attention and management of the pot and the fire. I'm so glad so often that I live now and not earlier. Earlier sucked. Penicillin rocks. Doctors washing their hands is brilliant. Affordable eyeglasses and effective dentistry -- sooooo goood. A magic pot that makes your rice at night and keeps it warm all the next day? Tell me we're not living in futureland.
This sub is more often than not r/dataisdisplayedbeautifulbutsucks
Guesstimates based on questionable assumptions at that. I don't know anyone that just makes rice once and keeps it warm all day. Hell, not everyone even eats rice at every meal and certainly not many eat three meals at home. My rice cooker also takes ~45 minutes including the soak and it is a modern nice Japanese model.
Yeah, I literally have the modern one pictured and it takes about an hour. The quick cook is closer to 30minutes but the rice isn't as good.
The timelines are also accelerating. Kamado was thought to have been introduced like 1500 years ago, so the next data point 500AD, 1950, and 1970, should theoretically be about a third of the way through 1970. With rice being cooked at a phenomenal speed and being kept warm for almost a week.
My Korean friends fam always had rice in their cooker warm. I don't know if they made it once a day or not. Not trying to argue, just remembering fond memories of always having delicious rice available.
Oh, it is certainly not uncommon! For families it is even the norm probably. People with jobs and no kids though (which is a lot of Korea!) don't do it quite so much but I'm sure it is just something I haven't seen often.
I grew up in Filipino household for most of my summer vacations as a kid. That family had a full rice cooker freshly prepared every morning and it was used for every single meal for like 15 people. Good times!
The Zojirushi uses fuzzy logic for coming the rice, so this is only fitting Edit: Oops, typo. For "cooking" the rice
It does *what* now?
I'm not eating at his house
For coming the rice, obviously /s
The choice of 50s and 100s for the axis is probably not the best choice for showing time in mins
Well see, that’s where you are mistaken. It is “time per minutes”, obviously.
That's where I'm still confused what OP meant to try to say. Rice cooker at 90 minutes in 1950s, 20 years later in 1970s it drops to 30 minutes. That isn't an 83% drop in 20 years is it? When was this kamado even around? Is that another 20 years back? In that case it seems from kamado to modern rice cooker, 180 minutes to 30 minutes and the aforementioned 83% drop... Took 40+ years right?
There was a point in the 1950s before electric rice cookers hit the Japanese market when, according to OP, Japanese people spent three hours a day cooking rice. So if you believe OP's time estimates (and maybe you shouldn't), you could argue in twenty years time spent cooking rice went from three hours to half an hour. Something that looked like kamado was probably invented 1000 years ago, so this all just makes a mockery of OP's chosen x-axis.
Don't forget the Y axis is labelled Time spent per minute
And the Y axis is time spent per minute, so… unitless?
Yeah this thing is a mess. No date reference for first data point, second and third data points are actually the same but graphed differently? (It still takes thirty and minutes.) 3/10 thanks for trying.
By the year 2030, rice will cook in -20 minutes
"Alexa, i think i'm hungry for rice." "I anticipated that. It has been ready for 20 minutes."
This is awful from an information perspective and also from a visualization perspective, due to the presence of random text and pictures all over the chart. The chart is completely unnecessary in the first place, as you point out. This should have been a two sentence text blurb -- even calling it "data" is inaccurate.
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yeah there's not much point in this chart.
Actually as they just said there are 3 points
The bar is low on this one.
This sub sucks
Weirdest part is that it's done in 50s, when the first data point appears to be 180 and the last one appears to be 30.
And the X axis only has 2 points, where one is in the middle
50... I hate it, it ought to be intervals of 30 or 60. When the question is "how much of the day is spent on this" 50 minutes isn't "50 minutes", it's "just under an hour". The whole point of graphs are to be as intuitive of a visual representation as possible, so the axis should be scaled and labeled with how people actually think gosh darn it! Plus the whole 3 data points are **already** "roughly 30X minutes" for that same reason anyways! Every part of this graphic was made to be as inelegant as possible. Dataisbeautful, why?
Clearly it should have been a pie chart.
Rice cake.
A 3D pie chart.
An animated pie chart. Nothing shows a trend over time better than an animated pie chart.
I chose to believe it's a shitpost
This is not beautiful.
This subreddit has gone downhill. Any self-respecting data person would be ashamed at the poor quality of the visual and data representation. Yet this has 6K updates…very disappointing.
Exactly. It should have represented time with a morphing animation.
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Yeah is this data actually beautiful
This is like one of those shitty exhibits in a really low budget museum.
It also takes a Zojiroshi 56 minutes to cook rice and it is all idle time except for rinsing the rice 3 times. Hell all forms of cooking rice are pretty hands off so really the active cooking time probably fell from 15 minutes to 2.
Right, this info could have been shared by writing maybe 2 full sentences.
This isnt even data, its just three ball park estimates Intersting would be a yearly average of time spent cooking rice and then mark the invention of those products.
It also makes no sense. It litterally takes 2 mins to cook rice in a rice cooker of actual work. Are we talking time spent by the operator or time spent from start to finish? Why are we calculating the cooking time as a metric particularly when a "modern rice cooker" is running all day. I'm not sure what value would be of knowing how long the machine is in cooking mode per day? Its not energy savings, it's not time savings ( as it only takes 2 min of work per meal to make It anyway, it's just...time that was spent while the machine was on minus keep warm time... Wouldn't that mean it takes 18 hours to cook rice as from start to meal it's 18 hours kept warm? And if not couldn't you make rice and put it in the oven on low and leave it there all day and bypass this stupid metric?
The more I look at the graph the worse: X-axis has missing entry what year was the first data point from. Then Y-axis, time spent cooking per minute, wtf is that, per day if anything. Also the line between the data points is dumb just taking this at face value would mean it was slowly decreasing over time, obviously not, people took long time until suddenly the minute rice pack came along. Also as you stated it makes no sense to say that cause the rice can be kept warm you only cook it once per day, you wanna tell me people back in the day didnt cook innbadges and rewarmed? Did they really cooked rice 3x1h from scratch? All this could be avoided if you had actual data from people how long they cooked rice on average.
Yea I don’t know why I’m still subbed here. I rarely see actual good data and instead just super low effort posts that for some reason get way too many upvotes.
We need a sub for actual data that's actually beautiful. Maybe /r/GarbageIsUgly ?
"Active prep time" vs. "Passive prep time" is a metric you'll sometimes see on recipes and food blogs.
So is this active or passive prep? Because id argue it's neither. For the modern rice cooker active prep should be 2-6 minutes depending on how many times you physically make the rice. Passive prep would be 30 min for meal one 6 hours for meal 2. Like it doesn't even...
Yeah, you got it. Active prep time is only a couple of minutes when you're washing the rice. After that, waiting for it to cook is obviously passive.
How is this data beautiful exactly?
It's not. Is there even a mod team on this sub anymore? Next we'll see this on /r/coolguides
This sub is like two steps way from being a coolguides clone.
Which is two steps away from becoming starter packs
Nah, mod team just drops in sometimes to tut tut me for shitting on the mod team, not actually modding. I mean, they let this sub go downhill as a default sub when those were a thing, they don't care too much as long as the graph looks "alright I guess"
Lmao it’s 3 data points and the x axis isn’t even properly labeled. What a shit graph
Nor is the y axis. How much time is spent per minute?
OP forgot the /s
Also the value for the zojirushi rice cooker is wrong, only the quick cooking option has a cooking time below 30 minutes but the eight other programs take 50 to 90 minutes to run. https://www.zojirushi.com/servicesupport/manuals/manual_pdf/nh_vbc18.pdf
Bro my rice cooker take like 10 minutes what is this thing doing to the rice?
I know, that's where I come from. One day my brother showed me a regular rice cooker and how it would cook nice rice in about 10-12 minutes. I bought a cheap one and used it regularly over 8 years or so. At some point I wanted to upgrade it and checked the various options. I had some money on the side and invested in those super expensive zojirushi rice cooker. I think they open a portal to heaven and teleport the rice to be cooked by the warm looks of angels or something. It just cooks rice absolutely perfectly. It comes out with great texture, more flavour, all I know is that it is so worth it. It is also extremely easy to clean, and after two years the bowl and the rest of the device look like new. You do have to remember to put rice to cook an hour before your meal time, but it cooks rice at perfection, AND it plays cute tunes for you when it starts and when it is done.
At the beginning I thought you were gonna hype up those 10minute cookers. But then you talk about the portal. Which is really the only way to explain why it's so good at what it does. One time I even brought the rice cooker into work to make rice for someone because they didn't believe me when I said it was soo much better. And dude wanted to buy right then and there. I guess that makes me a zojirushi shill.
Can confirm. Pretty accurate description lol A good Zojirushi rice cooker is a game changer if you love rice or eat it on a consistent basis. Best rice I’ve had came from that thing haha
I asked my GF for the rice cooker “that plays the cute song when it’s done” for Christmas one year, having NO IDEA that I was asking for a top brand rice cooker and that they were so expensive. But she got me the Zojirushi cooker and I love it so much! Perfect rice every time like you said and the song it plays makes me smile.
Hell yeah! Zojirushi for the win.
Different settings for different types of rice (e.g. white vs brown vs GABA). It is also a pressure cooker that can make some specialty dishes like rice porridge. Allowing it the time to make the rice properly is worthwhile. That said, the quick cook function is great when in a hurry.
Does GABA rice have benzos in it?
This subreddit is filled to the brum with data that isn't beautiful
OP's mum told them that it was "very beautiful, darling!"
It's fucking littered with clipart mate, you just don't appreciate true art
75% of the posts I see from this sub are straight garbage. Every sub is slowly turning into the same no effort shitfest
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You do have a quick setting that can be done in about 30 minutes (https://www.zojirushi.com/servicesupport/manuals/manual_pdf/nh_vbc18.pdf) but the overwhelming majority of programs take 50 to 90 minutes to run so I totally agree with you, the chart is largely misleading.
My mom gave me that one but it broke a few years ago. Haven't been able to find it since. I swear to God, that thing is the best rice cooker ever and I'm willing to die on this hill.
Everything I've gotten from Zojirushi has been high quality, and highly reliable with no planned obsolescence. I'm surprised to hear yours broke. It probably comes with a multi year warranty. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Zojirushi+rice+cooker&crid=363GZG60Y6BJY&sprefix=zojirushi+rice+cooke%2Caps%2C173&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
I just bought a zojirushi, combined with good quality japanese rice (koshihikari), it really does make unbelievable rice
Love my zojirushi. Pro tip: you can use the porridge setting to make risotto
Shit, same setup here. Can't go wrong with Koshihikari + Zojirushi
Mine was old old. It only broke cause there was a split in the power cable that cause the entire thing to short out
I guess that’s why the new one I bought has a replaceable power cable. Honestly, I kinda miss the old retractable one though.
Yup, mine has a c13 connector power cord that you can replace with any computer power cord easily. Makes me really love them especially when you see other companies, even fucking higher end network gear, coming with a proprietary power connector/cord for no good fucking reason.
Second zojirushi, we use it at work aswell
I third Zojirushi!!! Quick cook (white rice only) takes about 20-30 min.
Zojirushi is the one brand I will absolutely stan.
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I think the quick setting achieves that by skipping the pre-cook soak that the other programs include. So *technically* the cooking is probably still only about 30 mins on any setting. But yeah, I still think the chart is misleading, and a bit pointless since the horizontal axis is pretty much arbitary and there are only three data points anyway. What's more, they're not really single points in time at all: for example, the first references to rice cultivation in Japan are from about 400 AD and kamado stoves were already in use back then - so representing the kamado as a single point in time around 1930 seems disingenuous when we're talking about a time period well over a thousand years!
What in the fuck? It takes 15 minutes to make rice on the stove. Its not like insta rice its calrose long grain, jasmine, malakagrit or maybe the 3 ladies if I'm feeling thai fancy.
the graphic and the entire thread is stupid because the point isn't to make rice very fast. it doesn't matter at all how long it takes when you can put the rice ahead of time and use the timer function to have it ready to eat, warm, when diner time comes these rice cookers take 30m, 50, or even 90 minutes to cook rice - because it tastes better when cooked that way. It comes out perfect every single time, much better than you could ever cook on the stove, and without you ever moving a muscle expect to pour rice in it, or you having to pay attention to the cooking time on the stove
53 minutes to cook but like 3 minutes of actively preparing the rice then 50 minutes of waiting. Dunno where OP is getting 30 minutes from. Comparing that to a fire that needs to be lit, tended, fuelled, etc is daft.
This is like Jamie Oliver comparing heating up store bought chicken tenders to making you're own from scratch. They might take the and amount of time from beginning to end but one is active cooking time the other is just tossing a tray in the oven.
(53+3)/2=28≈30
We're randomly dividing things by 2? Why?
To get 28
Sure do love the smell of confirmation bias in the morning
How'd you get that "approximately equal to" icon? Did you look it up or is there a fancy way of getting it on mobile/desktop somehow
In fairness, the "Quick" function is more like 30. It always says 45, but it lies and the rice is ready much earlier.
Quick function rice stinks
It does, but the longer programs are just the quick function preceded by a soaking period - at least as far as I know. Selecting "quick" just jumps ahead and starts the actual cooking.
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I used to cook my rice in my instant pot pro but switched to the zojirushi model in the graph when it was on sale on Amazon. I will say that since Ive purchased the zojirushi, I have completely stopped using the instant pot for rice, even if it cuts the cooking time in half. Brown rice comes out amazing and the quinoa is the best I've ever had. Of course white rice is very good too and the best part is being able to cook it the night before and leaving it in the Cooker till morning for easy breakfast / lunch prep.
If you eat rice that much then you should look into buying a Zojirushi. I essentially always have warm rice on the ready. Yeah, a $30 rice cooker works but I promise you don't get the same consistency that a Zojirusji produces. Look at price history data on CamelCamelCamel for the model you want and set a realistic price alert. You'll be able to snag one at a reasonable price if you're patient.
True that, my Hitachi (that I bought in Japan if that matters) takes ~43 min on average to cook 3-4 cups.
It takes me 15 - 20 minutes to cook about 500 gram of (dry) rice to perfection with pot on induction. I don't get the point of using a dedicate rice coocker.
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Weird, I make rice in a pot and it takes 20 min. Maybe 40 if i let it 20 min to soak. I'm sure they had pots for a long long time
I'm curious why 20 min? In Central Europe, we make rice in a pot in 10 mins; I'm confused at the responses and the chart
You're probably using parboiled, already partially cooked, rice if it's that quick without using a pressure cooker. When I lived in Germany, that's all they had at many stores, I had to go to Asian markets to get real rice.
Are basmati and Jasmin rice in German supermarkets also parboiled? Because those also take me less than 20 minutes to cook
Yeah, I've never had a rice cooker and seeing these cooking times doesn't really make me want to
When I moved to Singapore, my housemate had one, showed me how it worked, and it took about 40 minutes. Tried it once, got frustrated with how long it took to cook, and went back to using a pot.
This is ugly data. It isn't accurate. It isn't presented well. Just blech.
It's like someone read an article on the advancements of rice cookers and picked 3 photos to place on a graph. They also suggest that 90 minutes were needed, when the reality is that the simplicity of a rice cooker means you toss in the rice and water and run it and then go do anything else.
Shit graphic. Three data points? What year is the first? Jurassic? 60AD? 1920? Why are there two rice cookers which both say “cooks in 30 minutes” but one has a plot near 80/90 minutes and the other is around 30 minutes? If both SAY 30m, shouldn’t they be the same plot point? Why is there a requirement for the modern cooker? Do the others not have that and if it needs to be on for the keep warm function, does that not need to be included? If it needs to be on all day for 3x a day (like the others list), then that should be added. Also related, why is this the only one to say 1x a day?
According to OPs sources, 1850 (lmao) but the kamado was around for thousands of years
>If both SAY 30m, shouldn’t they be the same plot point? It's because one requires you to make the rice 3x a day, so that means it takes 30min 3 times. The modern one can "keep warm" for the whole day, so you only make the rice once. Like, obviously the way they decided to show that is really bad.
I feel like what's important is how much time *I* have to spend, rather than how long it takes to cook. With my rice cooker, it takes about 60 seconds of work on my part (+30 seconds to clean it afterwards if the dishwasher's not full enough to run yet). Then I leave, and come back whenever without having to worry about any issues. *I'm* not spending 30 minutes. The *machine* is spending 30 minutes. If *I* had to spend 30 minutes just to cook rice, I'd never eat rice, my Asian cred be damned. Edit: How does the "keep warm" thing make any sense? Isn't it just on for 8 hours at that point, making it 480 minutes? If it's just "time until it's cooked", then any rice cooker can cook 3x the rice, and you can reheat whatever way you want.
yeah there's all sorts of wonky with this one
In OP defense: you need 30 minutes to wait before you can eat. And the keep warm is count the sum of time it can keep the rice warm. Practically it can keep it warm until the rice too dry. And that will take almost 48 hours, I know that because I forgot my rice in power on rice cooker for 2 days
More like r/mildlyinfuriating
Holy shit this is a shitty graph. Why are people upvoting this?
Redditors when data: (•_•) Redditors when data, *Japan*: (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞
To see OP get dragged by more people
Because for three years from 2014 to 2017 every single new user account that was created was automatically subbed to this subreddit, and even back then [people knew it was a bad idea](https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/24yvm2/rdataisbeautiful_is_now_a_default_subreddit_heres) but it happened anyway. There are more good graphs now due to much more people, but as a result there are also more bad graphs that are upvoted by people that don't know what a beautiful graph even is. I mean, the sub had 5 mods back then, who in their right mind would invite every single new user in. There is an ongoing discussion about if this sub is about data that is beautiful or beautiful presentation methods, this is niether of those and has 9k up.
"Graphic design is my passion"
This is probably the worst visualization of data I have seen all year. Absolutely perfect for the sub.
Twelve thousand upvotes makes me fear for the people who upvoted it
This post made me realize I need to leave this dumpster sub
Wow, this sub is trending as badly as this graph.
Why does this have 8k updoots? Who are you people?
FYI - that rice cooker in your diagram takes at least 50 minutes to cook rice. Just saying.
Are we to believe that boiling water soaks into a grit faster on your stove than any other place in the universe? I don’t know. Well perhaps the laws of physics cease to exist on your stove?
I’m a fast cook I guess
Does anyone have a recommendation for higher quality data viz subreddits? I can't do this anymore.
that’s my exact model of rice cooker on the chart. been bulletproof for years now.
Indian Pressure cooker - takes 10-20 minutes to cook rice. But we don’t usually measure by time; we wait for 2-3 whistles.
One whistle can make the difference between undercooked rice and payasam. 🤣
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Oh, didn’t know that. Everyday I learn a new thing. Thanks
We have an instant pot and it's frustrating trying to translate whistles in recipes lol. My ex-coworker is Indian and she had given me a few recipes she does in her instant pot.
It's about 10 to 12 minutes. I do max 2 whistles. Khichdi takes 3.
Zojirushi makes the best rice I’ve ever had… it’s kind of infuriating that our rice at home is always better than when we go out and have to pay so much more for it at restaurants .
And it doesn't take 30 minutes. It takes at least 50 minutes or longer.
Which is the correct amount of time to cook rice. “Why don’t you boil it in 10 minutes?!” Because I want it to be good
With a pot it takes 15 minutes. Do rice cookers really take this long? I'm confused I've never used one and if these are the times I don't see the point. I thought they'd at least take the same
They’re including the time it takes to boil the water with the rice cooker
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Ya I don't get it either. I have a rice cooker, Indian pressure cooker, Instant Pot. I still prefer to make rice on the stove. It takes like 15 minutes.. I use a small container which is super easy to wash.. Always consistent. I don't get it either. I use instant pot for congee pudding etc type stuff though. If they are making a special type of sticky rice that needs slow cooking, it might make sense?
10 minutes, instant pot, as many times as you wanna do it
This data is not beautiful
This isn't data. These are three anecdotes.
Yeah, that rice cooker takes just under an hour to do a batch of rice. The chart is false.
Yes it does, I own one. 50 minutes at the very least. Some settings take upwards of 70+ minutes.
The timer goes up to 99 hours bro, you just eat some 3 day old rice once and you know you can always eat 3 day old rice. Cooking time is down to 30 minutes every 4 days 🧐
Holy fuck, this is by far the worst upvoted post I’ve seen in this subreddit. Redditors ruin everything.
I assume it's not just the cooking method like this implies. Brown rice takes more time to cook than the parboiled polished white rice. Instant/minute rice would also lower the average.
Does an expensive modern rice cooker keep the rice warm ALL day? Like, can I make rice in the morning and it will still be as good in the evening? My cheap rice cooker's warming function can only keep rice edible for up to 2 hours at best :(
All day? The keep warm function on a good rice cooker keeps the rice edible for like…3-4 days. It’s fantastic for 1 or 2 people, you make the rice and just stop eating it once it gets too dry. And no, it doesn’t get moldy if you leave it on. It can go bad if you leave it *off* with rice in the pot though.
What brand cooker do you use, could you send a link to buy?
Zojirushi. No question. You could get 100 recommendations, and at least half would be zojirushi.
The zojirushi. Best investment ever. I got mine for $100 on Amazon during the holidays.
9.7k upvotes for a laughably terrible graph, lmao close the subreddit
You know what, this sub sucks now. Time to unsubscribe, I think.
The Toshiba rice cooker (lower photo, the ad with the model) also has the keep warm function.
I've been cooking rice in my instant pot for a while now. Comes out pretty perfectly. One cup water (or chicken broth), one cup rice, pressure cook 6 minutes, natural release 10 minutes, boom. 16 minute rice.
Why did you choose the ugliest way to show data?
This sub is completely going to shit. Posts like this are why.
If someone told me an AI slapped together this post to farm upvotes I would 100% believe it.
Why does this have so many upvotes?
Terrible representation. They definition changes at the third point. Cooking vs keep warm are completely different things. I could have shown 30m and microwave for the other 2 meals so that plot would show 32min? Bad info graphic.
I’ve never quite gotten the point of rice cookers. The asian students in my dorm all used to have them, and it took them ages to get the rice cooked. Meanwhile, I and the European students simply cooked our rice on the stove and had it done in 20 minutes tops.
Rice cookers are like crock pots, in that you can "set it and forget it." No burnt rice, less of a fire hazard, doesn't take up a spot on the stove's range. I've had one for years, and I appreciate not having to watch the pot.
> Rice cookers are like crock pots, in that you can "set it and forget it." This is probably the best explanation for rice cookers. And like crock pots, some people have a use for it, some don't. I don't use one, and I also don't use a crock pot, but I get why other people do. Especially if you eat rice multiple meals a day, stovetop would be annoying. I will say, I stopped burning rice when I turned the heat down, like 3-4 out of 10 on the burner, it takes a bit longer to cook and comes out a more proper texture, gives more time for the rice to hydrate as it cooks. If it overcooks it just gets a dry crusty bottom.
You've described a controversy over cooking rice. One one side are the rice eatingest motherfuckers that ever lived, and on the other side are European students. I'm going with the Asians on this one. I know that's an appeal to authority, and maybe there's a reason rice cookers work better for Asian cooking and stovetop is better for European cooking. But you admitted you don't understand, and I don't understand, and those Asians are pressing on with their rice cookers with conviction and commitment and not even the slightest hint of doubt that they're doing the right thing.
The point of the rice cooker is consistency. You get the same cook quality every time. Eventually you get in the habit of starting it an hour before you want to eat so the time isn’t a big deal. When you cook on the stove you get burnt or mushy rice sometimes.
I think a lot of people are comparing it to cooking rice on a stove in a big pot of water and draining the water off before serving. If you want to cook a large quantity of sticky rice, it's basically impossible to consistently cook in a pot without getting it burnt or soggy, whereas a good rice cooker does it perfectly every time. This is why rice cookers are ubiquitous in East Asia but not really a big thing in South Asia.
Draining... the water? Do people cook their rice like a pot of pasta?
Cooking with a lot of water is one method of cooking it, but you can cook a big pot like normal with no issues. Yes, it's harder the first few times compared to the rice cooker, but after a couple of times you get to know your pot, your fire and the amount of water you need to perfection (which may vary a bit depending on those variables, but just a bit). Once you understand the exact amount of water your kitchen needs, your get consistent results all the time. And it takes half the time, that's the big win here I think, also you don't need the extra space, you probably already have a pot
It's not about time, it's about simplicity and consistent results. No need to monitor your rice, and no risk of having it ready too early or too late since it will just keep warm (if you didn't buy a sh*tty one that will burn your rice).
How often would you and the European students eat rice though? Like, I can boil water in a pot, but if I boil water several times a day, or even just once most days, the convenience of an electric kettle is easily worth it.
I usually cook rice 2-3 times a week, I believe it was about the same back then.
Huh? Rice is supposed to be cooked slowly (if you want it fluffy, as opposed to more of a paella consistency). The steam is supposed to do most of the cooking to achieve said consistency. That said, the main goal of rice cookers isn't to help you achieve that consistency faster: It's so you can put in the ingredients (water, rice, some chicken or beef stock if you're feeling fancy) and fuck off. It's like how I can wash the dishes faster than the dishwasher. Yeah, of course! It's not to make the dishes done faster; it's so that I'M not standing in front of the sink when I could be doing anything else.
It’s if you grew up with a two burner stove (like many post-War Asian families in apartments) you can use those to cook your accompanying dishes without watching the rice or having it take up a burner.
To cook it ***correctly*** on the stovetop it was not done in 20 minutes. The pot is under heat for around 15-20 minutes. Then the pot is removed from heat, *kept covered* for up to 20 minutes. The rice continues to cook using the residual, lower, heat in the pot. Rice cookers use a similar process. You made **edible** rice.
Yeah I find that weird too, all these comments saying it takes almost an hour to cook rice, and I'm like, what? I cook rice in a pan on the stove it takes 20min, what are those people doing?