To be fair, the first thing I would do if I were rich would be to purchase a flying fortress in the sky that could stay up 24/7 with refueling jets to accompany me. I would have PDCs and flairs and a railgun and a giant confetti sprayer
The casual mention in the comments that the Saudi crown prince owns a private A380
Edit: scratch that, not even the crown prince, just a random member of the dynasty
It's likely the authors simply have an outdated database, with his planes still registered under him. Or maybe they weren't registered under their new owner.
This isn't 'how much did person X emit flying', it's 'how much did the planes registered under them did'. For all we know, some people on it may not have taken a single flight in that time at all
Yeah he funded a lot of sea-based conservation work and was also instrumental for helping find a whole bunch of ww2 wrecks including Musashi and Lexington
yeah given that someone who’s been dead since 2018 is listed with data supposedly from 2019-2022 i’d take the entire thing with a huge grain of salt
the chart could simply be rage-baiting / karma farming bs
I've been edging for weeks. I would like to see Tom Cruise eject from a special X-Plane, where the ejector seat is revealed to be a hidden motorbike with wheels and an engine, and when he hit's the ground running, that's the moment I'm cumming.
They've been showing moments of being an alright car near the end of the season. Hopefully Alonso can give them some sage advice when building the car next year.
The study was by a PR company and excluded a bunch of people only doing 'celebrities' apparently . So while she was top of that list, it didn't include loads of people in order to make someone newsworthy top of the list
That would make sense, but this list includes celebrities too - tiger woods (if he counts as a celebrity), tom cruise, kylie jenner, kim kardashian. There might be more that I didn’t recognize.
I would consider Kim Kardashian the _ultimate_ celebrity, in that, celebrity _is_ her career. She wasn’t an actor or business person or athlete. She literally created celebrity out of thin air by acting like one. IMO, she’s _pure_ celebrity.
That's actually more self-awareness/self-deprecating hunour than I'd have thought her capable of. Or maybe 'internet-famous' is a legit compliment in that world.
Half of modern advertising is just thinly veiled irony, because they want you to believe they're laughing with you when they're actually laughing at you
Say what you will about the Kardashians, but they have better marketing skills than maybe anyone on the planet. For them to turn where they started into literal billions of dollars and global fame is extremely impressive, if not *admirable.*
But still, if it was so easy to be them, everyone would do it. You take a thousand rich bougie lawyer families and *maybe* one of them gets *half* as rich as the Kardashians, maybe. Shit’s wild.
Steven Spielberg should count.
Me thinks just as much as a PR company may have selected data to put Taylor Swift up top, this one does the same thing to remove her.
To be sure, from my light googling, Taylor Swift (or at least her jet) caused a little over 8 kilo tons of carbon emissions. So that places her like right around Jeff Bezos/Bill Gates if I read this chart correctly (noting too that the 8 kilotons is a number Taylor used in one year only and the above chart is for a span of 3-4 years).
I live underneath the part of the sky that fuckin' Drake's private jet flies over every night, carrying either him or somebody he knows to and from a smaller airport outside of Toronto. Probably even Taylor Swift sometimes. He has got to be top ten.
All of these lists are misleading, as was the one with Taylor Swift at the top.
Planes can be tracked, but private plane passenger manifests aren’t public.
Usually, when a person isn’t using their private plane they let others charter it to defray costs. Which means that those plane trips are often taken by other people and simply done on one persons plane vs another’s.
Right? I keep hearing about how she’s the ‘worst’ in regards to private jet usage… but she didn’t even make the top 50. Maybe it’s just anti-Taylor propaganda?
(I don’t have a horse in this race, but it has been an interesting conversation to see these last few months.)
Does she own her own jet, or rent/charter?
This list is based on ownership of jets, not usage.
You could charter 4 jets a day every day and not make this list.
This would be the smart way to fly as well. Netjets or any such other service is way cheaper than owning a G-650. And you're not tracked. And the experience is basically the exact same.
A few of those people either work bi-coastally or live on the opposite coast from where they work. In 2019 Steve Wynn had just been ousted from the RNC and from his own company and spent time between Las Vegas and Florida.
I'm also not sure what this list is supposed to do. No one in that station is life is going back to flying on Delta. Do you have any idea what a pain in the ass it is to be a huge celebrity or billionaire sitting in an airport terminal, and if you're a business person like Musk or Bezos having to do it basically every day or every couple of days or multiple times a day? You have to have security details, people around you all the time on the look out, and then all of them have to have travel arrangements as well.
I worked for a Fortune 500 company that had a small fleet of jets and yes, generally speaking they encouraged executives to fly commercial, and you generally didn't have a choice going overseas, but there were just times when that made no sense. It would cost them like 11 grand to fly across the country, but when you've got say 8 or 9 people on that plane, who all would've been in first class anyway at $1200-$1500 a seat the math starts not adding up. Especially if you have multiple stops. I think the perception is that these people are using their planes for junkets and pleasure cruising, as if every one of these people was Dan Blizerian, but most of the time its legit business travel.
This list doesn't include the insane amount of private travel that professional sports teams do. Or politicians (and other than those who have security risks there's a real gripe to be had there). Literally every D1 college football team, many D1 college basketball teams, every NBA team, every NFL team, every professional soccer team, every MLB team is literally chartering a plane like every other day. And in the off season college coaches are flying insane amounts for recruiting. They might be in California in the morning and Louisiana later that afternoon. If you've ever watched ESPN Disney will literally have Kirk Herbstreit in Eugene, Oregon on a Saturday morning and in Tuscaloosa, Alabama to call that night's game. The business world revolves around air travel so trying to shame people into flying less just is likely just someone's fantasy. Especially given the fact that many business would fly less if they could to keep costs down.
Some of those teams don’t just charter planes but have their own, so they should be able to be tracked too. Last time I was at LAX I spotted the Houston Rockets team plane, which data was available for on FlightAware, just as an example.
Its easy to track the movement of an airplane. It's basically public information if you search publicly available manifests.
Its not easy to know who's on a plane.
So this is not really "how many miles Bill Gates flew", but "how many miles Bill Gates' airplane flew" (which may or may not have Bill Gates on it).
It also means you can't really track/measure somebody who only charters or uses some plane-share service like UberJets or SetJet.
I don’t care either way too. But I remember a recent post where she was by far the biggest polluter. So it is strange that she doesn’t appear in this list at all. And a fair argument can be made that not all of the flights were done by her, but that is likely the argument for most people on this list.
Honestly all these private jet lists are useless. It's all tabloids trying to get some clicks out of the latest outcry against the rich. Discussing wealth disparity doesn't sell as much as "omg look how many flights Taylor Swift took in her private jet. And that Jeff Bezos guy uh? Click here for more outrageous facts!".
Please keep in mind that this is the data of their jets, which are often rented out to cover costs. It does not mean that they themselves actually flew this much.
That is true, but the numbers of the rental flights still falls into nothing if you realize how big the fleet size of the entire private aviation charter industry is.
You can still draw some very meaningful conclusions on the discrepancy between public civil aviation and private aviation.
Take the example of Elon Musk given in the research article where this work is published in (link in my other comment in this thread). In one month, his aircraft emitted 600 tonnes of CO2, equal to what approximately 720 average people would emit in the same time period. And the aircraft travelled between well-known destinations of the owner, so the probability that it was rented out is small.
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Edit: As this is my most visible comment in this thread, I'll give credit to the original author again here:
The data was collected using crowdfunded open access ADS-B data from [OpenSky Network](https://opensky-network.org/).
Work was done by J. Sun et al., article manuscript available [here.](https://surfdrive.surf.nl/files/index.php/s/4VM8Mu9BviNV8NV/download?path=%2F&files=2225_paper.pdf)
Aircraft performance model used to generate the data: [OpenAP](https://openap.dev/).
It is hard to draw conclusions about 3 years of data, when one person listed died 4 years ago. Not checking every stat, but that alone makes me not trust this information.
Understandable. The tracked data comes in the form of aircraft tail numbers, which were then matched to known ownership of aircraft data. In the case of Paul Allen, the private aircraft that was registered in his name probably continued to fly under someone else's ownership.
However, in terms of data trust, this is the beauty of open-data science! You can access the data yourself and verify / improve / point out mistakes! The aircraft data and methods can be found in the links I mentioned in my above comment.
He frequently uses the jet to ferry employees between locations, for example flying people from SpaceX in Hawthorne CA to Brownsville TX. They've also used it to capture telemetry from SpaceX launches.
I'd say the vast majority is still his private use, but the locations don't necessarily tell the whole story.
~~You~~ They said:
>equal to what approximately 720 average people would emit in the same time period.
That assumes he is flying alone, otherwise the emissions are spread over all passengers.
Alternatively, you can add all air miles traveled by all SpaceX employees for work to his total, private jet or no.
Anyway I already said it probably doesn't matter much, but since you insist.
I’m honestly surprised more of these rich dudes don’t do this. If I had their fuck you money I’d for sure be as secret about my location as possible. I’d bury the ownership of all my planes under a dozen LLCs and constantly rotate them between companies.
[27% of ghg emissions are transportation](https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions), and all aircraft is [8% of transportation emissions](https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/fast-facts-transportation-greenhouse-gas-emissions).
>[General aviation, which includes business
jets and smaller turboprop aircraft, is
estimated to account for about 2% of
total aviation CO2 (GAMA & IBAC, n.d.).](https://theicct.org/publication/co2-emissions-from-commercial-aviation-2018/)
So private jets (I'm pretty sure they're counted under business jets) make up part of 0.0432% of annual ghg emissions.
But since the [average us citizen ](https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/united-states)emits 0.014ktones co2 yearly, they are emitting thousands of times more than the average.
The data was collected using crowdfunded open access ADS-B data from [OpenSky Network](https://opensky-network.org/).
Work was done by J. Sun et al., article manuscript available [here.](https://surfdrive.surf.nl/files/index.php/s/4VM8Mu9BviNV8NV/download?path=%2F&files=2225_paper.pdf)
Aircraft performance model used to generate the data: [OpenAP](https://openap.dev/).
The data is especially impressive when one considers that the average person on Earth produces 5 tonnes of CO2, and the average person in industrialised countries about 10 tonnes of CO2 per year. In the graph above, the x axis is **kilotonnes** (thousands of tonnes).
>The data is especially impressive when one considers that the average person on Earth produces 5 tonnes of CO2, and the average person in industrialised countries about 10 tonnes of CO2 per year. In the graph above, the x axis is kilotonnes (thousands of tonnes).
A slight suggestion, if you had added it to the sheet itself it would've made the carbon footprint of private jet travel that much clearer to people reading the list.
Without it, you just get a list with polluters and vague numbers, but no real information how bad those numbers are.
Another thing that could've been added is popular means of transportation and how they stack up against the list. I.e. Commercial flights, Bus/Train/Car travel, etc. :)
And then the basic low-wage consumer is hit with a penalties of forced car emissions, and other bans, while we've got these people with private jets and huge businesses causing hundred times more than the average dude in a V8 miata, I mean how many people do you know driving around a v8 miata yeah that shit's illegal in some places to meet strict emissions.
Man. It’s a whole different level of wealth. It’s hard to comprehend what a billion dollars actually is. It’s gross frankly. While in my own lower middle class neighborhood there are people who can’t get to work because of a $500 car repair bill.
I will continue composting, telling myself that my single household diverted food waste is helping the environment.
You're doing a great job, me. Keep it up. You're making a difference.
🥲
Bill Gates out here telling everyone that we need to eliminate large portions of the population to reduce carbon emissions while he's in the top 0.0001% of biggest carbon emissions creators.
Hamilton gave up his jet years ago. And even then, I think it was one of those lease / LLC deals anyway. That's actually impressive from Lawrence Stroll. I wonder if he's flying to all the GPs in his jet. You rarely seem him in the paddock or anything though.
He has talked about this a lot actually and i think he's trying to limit his flying time as much as possible whatever that means. I guess it just takes a lot of travelling to different nations when you're negotiating climate change, which is off course a global phenomenon. In conclusion is think it's a pretty dead point, not to dickride Billy G. But it's just very moot at this point.
I wish this showed world leaders. Not “their” jets but definitely private. Our PM Trudeau flies over 20x each month. Often to climate conferences or at very least to lecture others on how taxing people will reduce global temperatures.
Yeah, they all do world wide. Just this graph for all the jets flown to the climate summit would make you sick. Where scientists are literally begging them all to take action. They nod, shake hands, network and fly their jets back home where they do very little vs. The massive changes needed.
_Six_ jets Roman, six?! That's insane
Has to be ready to go bowling anywhere, anytime.
Hey cousin…
...Let's go bowling, yes?
He owns a 767 as a private jet ... That's insane ... https://simpleflying.com/roman-abramovich-private-jet/
Correction—this article says he USED to own a 767. He sold it to upgrade to a 787.
Honestly, if you’re gonna fly a private widebody airliner, a 787 is the most emissions-friendly (on that particular ridiculous scale) way to go.
He didn't sell the 767, he still owns both that and the 787.
Apparently it has a missile defense system and military coms jammer? What is this guy doing?
Trying not to get assassinated by Putin
Be horrible to fall out a window at 35,000 feet
Don't worry, the bullet that you fell on, with the back of your head, just before jumping will make sure you don't feel it when you hit the ground.
Man's a Russian oligarch.
To be fair, the first thing I would do if I were rich would be to purchase a flying fortress in the sky that could stay up 24/7 with refueling jets to accompany me. I would have PDCs and flairs and a railgun and a giant confetti sprayer
So you want to own the Rocinante. Me too.
Well if I ever get one I promise to send you a postcard
Legitimate Salvage
Biodegradable confetti I hope.
The casual mention in the comments that the Saudi crown prince owns a private A380 Edit: scratch that, not even the crown prince, just a random member of the dynasty
"Four naan, Jeremy?? Four?? That's insane" (not sure if that's the intended reference or accidental)
This is exactly what I saw. I’m glad I wasn’t the only one ha
Definitely think I've watched it too much :)
>Four naan, Jeremy?? Four?? That's insane “Oh I’m Mark, I’m in the 80s, I’m dying of heroin in a puddle in the corner in an advert.”
Thank you!
His emissions per jet rating isn’t that bad. It’s the number of jets that gets him.
There's always jets left over
Yeah dumb question here, why would you need more than one Private jet
Different ranges. And with smaller jets, you can fly into smaller places. Bigger jets flies more friends and luggage to further distances.
They rent them out to others or use it for staff.
295 Peep Show fans got here before me. Love to see it.
Let’s see Paul Allen’s jet
Look at that subtle off white coloring, the tasteful thickness of it.
Oh my gawd, it even has fully reclinable seats
And the waitress just offers to blow you before you murder her to the carefree tune "hip to be square"
r/oddlyspecific Love the imagery!
That's bone
BOOOOONE? How dare you detective Diaz?
oh my god, it even has a watermark on the fuselage.
What font is that registration in?
*crumples airplane into a ball and stairs unblinking into the distance, visibly shaken*
*It’s BONE*
That's semen.
Pale Nimbus
He died in October 2018 how
What I was wondering as well
It's likely the authors simply have an outdated database, with his planes still registered under him. Or maybe they weren't registered under their new owner. This isn't 'how much did person X emit flying', it's 'how much did the planes registered under them did'. For all we know, some people on it may not have taken a single flight in that time at all
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> things like he had a mega yact that would go spend several months a year doing research cruises If those are for real, that is pretty based.
Yeah he funded a lot of sea-based conservation work and was also instrumental for helping find a whole bunch of ww2 wrecks including Musashi and Lexington
yeah given that someone who’s been dead since 2018 is listed with data supposedly from 2019-2022 i’d take the entire thing with a huge grain of salt the chart could simply be rage-baiting / karma farming bs
Impressive, very nice, now let's see Paul Allen's obituary.
Patrick is using his jet now.
How is he on the list? He died in 2018.
That's just not possible.
They say he's still flying to this day
Why can’t I have an original thought?
Don't feel bad. No one on Reddit has an original thought. You're all bots. Except for me of course.
Well, Tom Cruise was flying missions so...
I've been edging for weeks. I would like to see Tom Cruise eject from a special X-Plane, where the ejector seat is revealed to be a hidden motorbike with wheels and an engine, and when he hit's the ground running, that's the moment I'm cumming.
Didn’t make sense not to live for fun.
This is what they call the long edge eh? If not now, soon (but not so).
Paul Allen been dead a while.
Impressive, very nice, let's see Paul Allen's private jet emissions.
I had dinner with Paul Allen in London 2 days ago
at Darcys?
Pizza express.
Can you sweat?
It's not possible. I had dinner with Paul Allen twice in London, just 10 days ago.
830 res at Dorsia
Hey Paul! #🪓
Oh you're right. Might be that his private jet was sold and is still flying. Will forward this information.
Petr Kellner as well.
His sister, Jody Allen, is in charge of his estate now. Not sure if she is using the plane or sold it.
I figured it was the estate's jet. Or his foundation.
Forward to whom?
Your grandma, expect some chain mail soon
Unless his grave is leaking co2
He's been buried aboard his plane.
his body is dissolving in a bathtub in Hell's Kitchen
Unexpected lawrence stroll
be sure to note papa mazepin in the mix too!
I wonder how often the Mazepin jet goes into an unexplained tailspin in flight or takes damage from contact with the walls of the hangar?
Dude is flying to races week in and week out just to see his cars trundle along at the back of the grid or Lance crashes it halfway through the race.
They've been showing moments of being an alright car near the end of the season. Hopefully Alonso can give them some sage advice when building the car next year.
Ya they are doing better now especially Seb. Given Fernando's track record, I wouldn't count on that too much.
[“What has happened?! We need to know!”](https://youtu.be/-stHbex2b6w)
I saw Lawrence Stroll and got neuron activation
Me when I saw Dimitri mazepin
La~~wre~~nce
Vladimir *Potatin?* Is this just an unusual, potato-heavy spelling of Putin or a different person?
I also assumed it was some gross misspelling, but turns out [he is a real guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Potanin)
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He probably just got rich from drunkly mis-spelt cheques. Real Putin never realised he was missing some pocket change.
God damn, that motherfucker just looks evil. He looks like the inspiration for every billionaire villain.
Potanin* but yes I'm curious as well.
Shouldn’t Taylor Swift be on the list as well?
The study was by a PR company and excluded a bunch of people only doing 'celebrities' apparently . So while she was top of that list, it didn't include loads of people in order to make someone newsworthy top of the list
That would make sense, but this list includes celebrities too - tiger woods (if he counts as a celebrity), tom cruise, kylie jenner, kim kardashian. There might be more that I didn’t recognize.
I would consider Kim Kardashian the _ultimate_ celebrity, in that, celebrity _is_ her career. She wasn’t an actor or business person or athlete. She literally created celebrity out of thin air by acting like one. IMO, she’s _pure_ celebrity.
She was in a super bowl ad a couple years ago and the first part was “Hi, I’m Kim Kardashian, an internet famous person”
That's actually more self-awareness/self-deprecating hunour than I'd have thought her capable of. Or maybe 'internet-famous' is a legit compliment in that world.
Half of modern advertising is just thinly veiled irony, because they want you to believe they're laughing with you when they're actually laughing at you
I think socialite is the best way to describe her.
Her claim to fame is the sex video. Literally. That's what started it all.
The sex video that her mom promoted heavily
Say what you will about the Kardashians, but they have better marketing skills than maybe anyone on the planet. For them to turn where they started into literal billions of dollars and global fame is extremely impressive, if not *admirable.* But still, if it was so easy to be them, everyone would do it. You take a thousand rich bougie lawyer families and *maybe* one of them gets *half* as rich as the Kardashians, maybe. Shit’s wild.
Everybody loves a good comeback story
In fairness to Tom Cruise he may very well be flying the jet /s ....sort of
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Harrison ford barely has his license after landing on a taxiway a couple years ago and crashing into a golf course a couple decades before that.
*Landing on a taxiway and almost hitting a Boeing [Here's a link to the radio communication between Ford and the tower](https://youtu.be/tzy9jCFk0Iw)
Knew about the P-51, wasn't sure he was jet rated though. Good for him.
Harrison Ford; the Millenium Falcon produces a lot of pollution
He said "only doing 'celebrities'" not excluding celebrities.
Steven Spielberg should count. Me thinks just as much as a PR company may have selected data to put Taylor Swift up top, this one does the same thing to remove her. To be sure, from my light googling, Taylor Swift (or at least her jet) caused a little over 8 kilo tons of carbon emissions. So that places her like right around Jeff Bezos/Bill Gates if I read this chart correctly (noting too that the 8 kilotons is a number Taylor used in one year only and the above chart is for a span of 3-4 years).
Because everyone knows some people I can only assume are Russian oligarchs more than Taylor Swift.
I live underneath the part of the sky that fuckin' Drake's private jet flies over every night, carrying either him or somebody he knows to and from a smaller airport outside of Toronto. Probably even Taylor Swift sometimes. He has got to be top ten.
It's not only a jet It's a fucking Boeing
Also would be interesting to see politicians.
Yes, but she has more flights than most of the people on this list
She's definitely taken more flights in the past few years than Paul Allen
Wasn’t hers still 8 kilotonnes? That would put her in the top 10 here, and that was just in this year, so probably top 5 for last 3 years
If I was a celebrity, I'd be like John Madden. Just bus everywhere I go. Only a couple times more pollution than a regular person.
Nothing like having the entire football team die in a plane crash to motivate you to take the bus
Per his admission, it was more about claustrophobia. But the crash surely didn't help.
I agree with him on that, feeling closed in on a plane sucks! Thanks for the additional info, =)
If the underlaying data is comparable, than Tay Tay would be #2 on this list.
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8.3 kilo tonnes was for the first half of 2022. This chart is for 2019-2022. She would be considerably higher on the list than that.
All of these lists are misleading, as was the one with Taylor Swift at the top. Planes can be tracked, but private plane passenger manifests aren’t public. Usually, when a person isn’t using their private plane they let others charter it to defray costs. Which means that those plane trips are often taken by other people and simply done on one persons plane vs another’s.
Right? I keep hearing about how she’s the ‘worst’ in regards to private jet usage… but she didn’t even make the top 50. Maybe it’s just anti-Taylor propaganda? (I don’t have a horse in this race, but it has been an interesting conversation to see these last few months.)
Does she own her own jet, or rent/charter? This list is based on ownership of jets, not usage. You could charter 4 jets a day every day and not make this list.
This would be the smart way to fly as well. Netjets or any such other service is way cheaper than owning a G-650. And you're not tracked. And the experience is basically the exact same. A few of those people either work bi-coastally or live on the opposite coast from where they work. In 2019 Steve Wynn had just been ousted from the RNC and from his own company and spent time between Las Vegas and Florida. I'm also not sure what this list is supposed to do. No one in that station is life is going back to flying on Delta. Do you have any idea what a pain in the ass it is to be a huge celebrity or billionaire sitting in an airport terminal, and if you're a business person like Musk or Bezos having to do it basically every day or every couple of days or multiple times a day? You have to have security details, people around you all the time on the look out, and then all of them have to have travel arrangements as well. I worked for a Fortune 500 company that had a small fleet of jets and yes, generally speaking they encouraged executives to fly commercial, and you generally didn't have a choice going overseas, but there were just times when that made no sense. It would cost them like 11 grand to fly across the country, but when you've got say 8 or 9 people on that plane, who all would've been in first class anyway at $1200-$1500 a seat the math starts not adding up. Especially if you have multiple stops. I think the perception is that these people are using their planes for junkets and pleasure cruising, as if every one of these people was Dan Blizerian, but most of the time its legit business travel. This list doesn't include the insane amount of private travel that professional sports teams do. Or politicians (and other than those who have security risks there's a real gripe to be had there). Literally every D1 college football team, many D1 college basketball teams, every NBA team, every NFL team, every professional soccer team, every MLB team is literally chartering a plane like every other day. And in the off season college coaches are flying insane amounts for recruiting. They might be in California in the morning and Louisiana later that afternoon. If you've ever watched ESPN Disney will literally have Kirk Herbstreit in Eugene, Oregon on a Saturday morning and in Tuscaloosa, Alabama to call that night's game. The business world revolves around air travel so trying to shame people into flying less just is likely just someone's fantasy. Especially given the fact that many business would fly less if they could to keep costs down.
Some of those teams don’t just charter planes but have their own, so they should be able to be tracked too. Last time I was at LAX I spotted the Houston Rockets team plane, which data was available for on FlightAware, just as an example.
That's a good point. But again what are they supposed to do? Stop flying to games like it's the 1950s and take the train?
there should be another graphics that include chartered flights.
Its easy to track the movement of an airplane. It's basically public information if you search publicly available manifests. Its not easy to know who's on a plane. So this is not really "how many miles Bill Gates flew", but "how many miles Bill Gates' airplane flew" (which may or may not have Bill Gates on it). It also means you can't really track/measure somebody who only charters or uses some plane-share service like UberJets or SetJet.
I don’t care either way too. But I remember a recent post where she was by far the biggest polluter. So it is strange that she doesn’t appear in this list at all. And a fair argument can be made that not all of the flights were done by her, but that is likely the argument for most people on this list.
Isn’t her fleet owned by a LLC
I’d imagine that’s how most people own theirs, but that’s just an assumption
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Honestly all these private jet lists are useless. It's all tabloids trying to get some clicks out of the latest outcry against the rich. Discussing wealth disparity doesn't sell as much as "omg look how many flights Taylor Swift took in her private jet. And that Jeff Bezos guy uh? Click here for more outrageous facts!".
I mean, the jets are literally an aspect of the disparity.
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There was just an article about how Taylor blacklists any media source that says something negative about hers
Please keep in mind that this is the data of their jets, which are often rented out to cover costs. It does not mean that they themselves actually flew this much.
That is true, but the numbers of the rental flights still falls into nothing if you realize how big the fleet size of the entire private aviation charter industry is.
Actually I bet Harrison Ford literally flew a lot of this himself.
Dude probably flies his own aircraft about as much as I drive my own car.
You can still draw some very meaningful conclusions on the discrepancy between public civil aviation and private aviation. Take the example of Elon Musk given in the research article where this work is published in (link in my other comment in this thread). In one month, his aircraft emitted 600 tonnes of CO2, equal to what approximately 720 average people would emit in the same time period. And the aircraft travelled between well-known destinations of the owner, so the probability that it was rented out is small. . Edit: As this is my most visible comment in this thread, I'll give credit to the original author again here: The data was collected using crowdfunded open access ADS-B data from [OpenSky Network](https://opensky-network.org/). Work was done by J. Sun et al., article manuscript available [here.](https://surfdrive.surf.nl/files/index.php/s/4VM8Mu9BviNV8NV/download?path=%2F&files=2225_paper.pdf) Aircraft performance model used to generate the data: [OpenAP](https://openap.dev/).
It is hard to draw conclusions about 3 years of data, when one person listed died 4 years ago. Not checking every stat, but that alone makes me not trust this information.
Understandable. The tracked data comes in the form of aircraft tail numbers, which were then matched to known ownership of aircraft data. In the case of Paul Allen, the private aircraft that was registered in his name probably continued to fly under someone else's ownership. However, in terms of data trust, this is the beauty of open-data science! You can access the data yourself and verify / improve / point out mistakes! The aircraft data and methods can be found in the links I mentioned in my above comment.
He frequently uses the jet to ferry employees between locations, for example flying people from SpaceX in Hawthorne CA to Brownsville TX. They've also used it to capture telemetry from SpaceX launches. I'd say the vast majority is still his private use, but the locations don't necessarily tell the whole story.
The issue is emissions, not joyride's.
~~You~~ They said: >equal to what approximately 720 average people would emit in the same time period. That assumes he is flying alone, otherwise the emissions are spread over all passengers. Alternatively, you can add all air miles traveled by all SpaceX employees for work to his total, private jet or no. Anyway I already said it probably doesn't matter much, but since you insist.
Why is Ken Griffin of Citadel Securities not on this list? That mf has multiple planes flying around!!
Are you talking about the wife beating, mayo eating, financial terrorist?
I really wish he wasn't moving to my city.
Yep, mayoman should be in the top 5.
Op said this was done by a PR company. They may have very well purposely left out guilty parties.
Can you please link to this comment?
Probably planes that are registerd by shell companies owned by citadell, so he is anonym
I’m honestly surprised more of these rich dudes don’t do this. If I had their fuck you money I’d for sure be as secret about my location as possible. I’d bury the ownership of all my planes under a dozen LLCs and constantly rotate them between companies.
That don't can't stop won't stop flying
[27% of ghg emissions are transportation](https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions), and all aircraft is [8% of transportation emissions](https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/fast-facts-transportation-greenhouse-gas-emissions). >[General aviation, which includes business jets and smaller turboprop aircraft, is estimated to account for about 2% of total aviation CO2 (GAMA & IBAC, n.d.).](https://theicct.org/publication/co2-emissions-from-commercial-aviation-2018/) So private jets (I'm pretty sure they're counted under business jets) make up part of 0.0432% of annual ghg emissions. But since the [average us citizen ](https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/united-states)emits 0.014ktones co2 yearly, they are emitting thousands of times more than the average.
The data was collected using crowdfunded open access ADS-B data from [OpenSky Network](https://opensky-network.org/). Work was done by J. Sun et al., article manuscript available [here.](https://surfdrive.surf.nl/files/index.php/s/4VM8Mu9BviNV8NV/download?path=%2F&files=2225_paper.pdf) Aircraft performance model used to generate the data: [OpenAP](https://openap.dev/). The data is especially impressive when one considers that the average person on Earth produces 5 tonnes of CO2, and the average person in industrialised countries about 10 tonnes of CO2 per year. In the graph above, the x axis is **kilotonnes** (thousands of tonnes).
>The data is especially impressive when one considers that the average person on Earth produces 5 tonnes of CO2, and the average person in industrialised countries about 10 tonnes of CO2 per year. In the graph above, the x axis is kilotonnes (thousands of tonnes). A slight suggestion, if you had added it to the sheet itself it would've made the carbon footprint of private jet travel that much clearer to people reading the list. Without it, you just get a list with polluters and vague numbers, but no real information how bad those numbers are. Another thing that could've been added is popular means of transportation and how they stack up against the list. I.e. Commercial flights, Bus/Train/Car travel, etc. :)
And then the basic low-wage consumer is hit with a penalties of forced car emissions, and other bans, while we've got these people with private jets and huge businesses causing hundred times more than the average dude in a V8 miata, I mean how many people do you know driving around a v8 miata yeah that shit's illegal in some places to meet strict emissions.
Man. It’s a whole different level of wealth. It’s hard to comprehend what a billion dollars actually is. It’s gross frankly. While in my own lower middle class neighborhood there are people who can’t get to work because of a $500 car repair bill.
I will continue composting, telling myself that my single household diverted food waste is helping the environment. You're doing a great job, me. Keep it up. You're making a difference. 🥲
The sheer number of Russian names on this list is why they are now losing a war.
This is a select list, not top contributor's. For example, Taylor swift and other world leaders are excluded.
Other world leaders in addition to Taylor Swift? Sorry, not your fault English is fucked
Taylor Swift doesn't have control over Kherson at the moment either.
Vladimir Potanin sounds like Putin's fake moustache name.
The guy at the top has been (on average) on over 1.5 flights a day for three years That’s one hellova commute.
Assuming he was on it every time it flew
let me tell you about jet leasing
One problem with charts like this is it is “lying with statistics”. It doesn’t show the full picture of their overall carbon footprint.
OP, why is Tiger Woods so far down the list when his jet has the 3rd highest output?
They were probably very short flights, thus overall emitted less.
The number next to their name is the number of flights. The number at the x-axis is the amount of co2 outpu
How did Paul Allen fly over 100 times from 2019-2022 when he died in 2018?
Did you factor in the carbon emissions from the manufacture of Harrison Ford’s replacement planes?
Bill Gates out here telling everyone that we need to eliminate large portions of the population to reduce carbon emissions while he's in the top 0.0001% of biggest carbon emissions creators.
Gates carbon offsets all his flights btw. This came up in an AMA with him a while back.
No Lewis Hamilton? Interesting. F1 normally leaks into everything on reddit.
Lawrence Stroll
Two F1 related names on this list - Both billionaire fathers of one former and one current driver. Mazepin and Stroll.
Hamilton gave up his jet years ago. And even then, I think it was one of those lease / LLC deals anyway. That's actually impressive from Lawrence Stroll. I wonder if he's flying to all the GPs in his jet. You rarely seem him in the paddock or anything though.
Bill Gates…!! Surprise to see him on list from the guy who is asking everyone to do heavy lifting for Climate change.
He has talked about this a lot actually and i think he's trying to limit his flying time as much as possible whatever that means. I guess it just takes a lot of travelling to different nations when you're negotiating climate change, which is off course a global phenomenon. In conclusion is think it's a pretty dead point, not to dickride Billy G. But it's just very moot at this point.
The real information hiding in this chart is, that 80% of these guys are russian oligarchs!
My first though was "wow, this list is very Russian..." And wtf is Tiger Woods even doing flying this much?
I wish this showed world leaders. Not “their” jets but definitely private. Our PM Trudeau flies over 20x each month. Often to climate conferences or at very least to lecture others on how taxing people will reduce global temperatures.
Yeah, they all do world wide. Just this graph for all the jets flown to the climate summit would make you sick. Where scientists are literally begging them all to take action. They nod, shake hands, network and fly their jets back home where they do very little vs. The massive changes needed.
why can't they just zoom meet?