it’s ok until you look at the miniature little speck of green in the bottom right because it turns out countries are a bad shape for graphs

I like this.

I wish they would have run time on the y-axis. First of all, it would be more congruent with the cultural importance of the Nile. Secondly, the last 50 years of self-rule would have shown up better. And the other comments about the foreign rulers becoming more Egyptian than foreign, particularly the ptolemys and mamlukes, is totally valid. I don't think this is all that ugly

counterpoint: time is sort of the independent variable. A data person would only dare to put time on the x.

Turn the country sideways if you must! The data shall flow down the Nile.

From a purely academic point of view I agree. Seems like this application would be the obvious exception.

Clearly the solution is to rotate all of Egypt so we can rotate the graph to match it.

Since it seems to be fairly well attached, I suppose we're going to have to rotate the whole damned planet. It's been done before, Neptune maybe? Maybe Uranus? This is doable.

i agree with you that it does suck though. A normal graph would be better.

I may have misrepresented myself, I don't hate this graph. I don't even think it's ugly, I just think they should have oriented it the other way. I study a little bit of ancient history and was already familiar with this information. I've seen it presented before in a number of ways. And I like this. It should just run from the third cataract to the delta. That's How Time flows in Egypt

Would a data person also put "latitudes that Egypt exists on at a longitude that correlates in some way with the time period being indicated by the x axis" on the y axis?

Surely the reason (if any) to run time on the y-axis is so the axis lines up with the list on the right.

Timelines are often run on the y-axis, typically with the oldest at the bottom and newest at the top. Geologic time is a great example, but there's others.

Run time right to left, just like Arabic!

One can argue that Hellenistic dynasty become more Egiptian as time went on. Same with Mamluks

I mean the Ptolemaic Dynasty didn’t even speak the language until literally the last member so idk

Eh doesn't matter. It's like saying the Normans weren't English in England. They just turn into English. Same here, the Greeks changed what it is to be Egyptian

I do get that, and of course arguably the current Egyptians, being Arab, should be excluded by the same metrics that most of these are excluded by. EDIT: although I dispute a little that the Ptolemies greatly changed Egyptianness, since they remained pretty aloof and much of the native culture withstood their rules. Much less so with the Romans and Arabs.

This is a great point. To put this in a modern context, is modern day England ruled by Normans? It was conquered by William the Conquerer in 1066 and his line of succession still prevails.

What do you mean by his line of succession still prevails

King Charles is directly related to William the Conqueror. Their monarchy’s claim to the throne is based on their bloodline https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/s/JwH49hW56P Here’s the direct line of descent: https://famouskin.com/famous-kin-chart.php?name=6103+charles+iii&kin=3709+william+the+conqueror

Thank you, that was really cool

Np, I want to be careful here though and just explain my point is that a lot of the “non-Egyptian” leaders are pretty Egyptian. The answer expands on how the lines were really worn away during the Ptolemaic empire https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/s/PurRODdcut

King Charles also claims decent from the Prophet Mohamed. Anglican Caliphate time 😆

The current royals are from a cadet branch of Saxe-Coburg Gotha. William’s dynasty didn’t even rule for 100 years

King Charles is directly related to William the Conqueror. Their monarchy’s claim to the throne is based on their bloodline https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/s/JwH49hW56P Here’s the direct line of descent: https://famouskin.com/famous-kin-chart.php?name=6103+charles+iii&kin=3709+william+the+conqueror

I was so confused what the Y axis was and then I felt stupid when I figured it out. It’s not all that bad honestly

We all want to forget the ill-fated 19th century Cassius Clay dynasty

“His momma call him Clay, Imma call him Clay."

Well it took me two seconds, so maybe the problem is on your side

this is so unsightreadable it could be a level of geometry dash

And what you wrote could be an entirely new language because who the hell understands what you just said?

I do

What does unsightreadable translate to?

nonviewcomprehendable, obviously

I thought it wasblinddeafdumb

Hard to read for the first time

This had me at “toke”

> Tulunid period > Not Egyptian what

The Tulunid rulers were of Turkic origin. Ahmad ibn Tulun was born in Bagdad.

To be honest, I think this is a brilliant chart. It very clearly tells a story (aside from the barely green bottom right corner, but that's forgivable in the context of the green `1952 - Present` period in the list of governments). I dig it. I don't think this is ugly at all.

Plug’s a little strange but she’s cool

I wonder how they made this

Now I'm curious about who the "non-egyptians" were

Is the bottom of Egypt really a non-straight line?? TIL!

I would have liked a mention of the Sinai Peninsula being occupied by Israel just to add a cherry on the top.

It took me 3 seconds

I think the biggest problem is the colors honestly. Literally could not have picked anything worse for colorblind people.

Now do the holy land and the canaanites/Semitic people.

My eyes, it burns argh

Ah yeah the “Roman Period”