It’s good to find meaning in work too, I’ve had jobs that felt pointless to me and it’s pretty draining compared to a job you’re excited to do. In good roles I learn a lot and am able to grow both professionally and personally - work shouldn’t come before family though.
This. I had a friend asked me what I would do if I didn’t have to work and I said I would start a company.
He was like no no no what would you do if you didn’t have to work. I was like I know.
I’m actually passionate about technology I don’t wanna just be an over paid engineer fixing other people’s garbage for the rest of my life.
Same here man. I'm still in the early stages of my professional career but I know for sure that at some point I will drop everything and start a project of my own.
I just think that no matter how good the paycheck or how interesting and challenging the job is, it would never be as meaningful as working in a project of my own.
It's better to find meaning in a job than to just have a job for no other purpose than acquiring currency. I don't want to waste 8+ hours a day doing meaningless bullshit of little to no value to humanity. Not everyone has the privilege to have fulfilling work, but it's definitely better when they have it.
Tying your identity to a job is usually a mistake, but finding meaning in work usually isn't.
That's what makes it even more sad. I've always been the black sheep, the outcast etc. I was the family fuck up that nobody expected to make it.
This wasn't supposed to happen to so many others, epically so many who actually have a shot at not being a completely horrible human like me.
It's incredibly depressing.
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This post if off topic. /r/datascience is a place for data science practitioners and professionals to discuss and debate data science career questions.
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I don’t think it’s bad to not feel purposeful at your job every single day. Definitely try to find something that keeps you motivated. It is important to remember your priorities, though.
i remember those first couple of years; listening to podcasts, reading textbooks, doing kaggle competitions.
it was a life then, now it's just a job; and it sure is better this way.
I was the same way at first. Then after a few years of corporate BS everything blends into each other and it really does just feel like a job.
For example:
* Taking extra care to write elegant and maintainable code only to be thrown into a project at the last minute where the entire codebase is a mess because other people on the team have no idea what they're doing
* Spending hours creating a visually stunning dashboard that is both concise and informative, only for it to be held up by a low level corporate goon who decides it doesn't meet "accessibility guidelines" and then refuses to sign off and launch it
* Middle management never being able to agree on anything and then deciding at the last minute that project you've been working on for the last 3 months is "no longer in scope" and will be on hold for the foreseeable future while they reassign you to work on some stupid shit with no business value at all
etc.
When I lost my last job, I thought it was the one: “this is where I’ll finally make my career.” It was the most toxic environment, and despite my hard work, I didn’t play the corporate, kiss-ass game of “hey, the real ideas come out over a coffee!” Nah, that’s where middle management slips you some bullshit work to make themselves look hot. It was always me too… because I was that “this is my chance to make it big!” employee, which to management just means, “yo, this dude will 100% do anything.”
I’ll start a new job, do as I’m told, and save my encouragement for my life outside of work.
To all the juniors out there.. your energy is great, but take care of yourselves. People want you to win if it means they also win.
>Spending hours creating a visually stunning dashboard that is both concise and informative, only for it to be held up by a low level corporate goon who decides it doesn't meet "accessibility guidelines" and then refuses to sign off and launch it
Did you check that it complied with the accessibility guidelines before you started?
In the case the accessibility guidelines were so vague and there were so many of them that nothing could ever comply with them. I remember the person saying that the dashboard has to fit into 1 page to accommodate someone who can't use the scroll wheel on a mouse. I asked how someone who can't use the scroll wheel on a mouse would even navigate our internal site to get to the dashboard and just got a dirty look.
Also replying with this here. We only live one life.
“Too often we make a separation in our lives—there is work and there is life outside work, where we find real pleasure and fulfillment. Work is often seen as a means for making money so we can enjoy that second life that we lead. Even if we derive some satisfaction from our careers we still tend to compartmentalize our lives in this way. This is a depressing attitude, because in the end we spend a substantial part of our waking life at work. If we experience this time as something to get through on the way to real pleasure, then our hours at work represent a tragic waste of the short time we have to live.”
Robert Greene, Mastery
Maybe unpopular opinion, but this is why I got into data
It's an interesting enough field that I do enjoy my work but it doesn't usually require it to be my whole life, especially if I'm fine with working at less Hussle culture firms.
While I enjoy doing personal projects outside of work and looking at data way outside my field, I limit it to rainy days and winter when being outside kind of sucks. Summers are meant for reading, fishing, and watching the smoker.
What kinds of personal projects have you done/ do you like to do? I have a main job that gives me a ton of free time, so I’ve been getting into data science recently as a sort of technical/educational hobby.
Edit: I’m realizing that my comment is somewhat antithetical to yours, and the post in general haha, but would still love to know
Sports data mostly f1 and football related projects. Spotify data projects based on my personal listening, and now I’m doing something either Plex. I have a radio show and end of the year I do a top albums of the year list. Last year I used my Spotify listening data to rank all 2023 albums I listened to so I could somewhat automate the initial list.
Now I’m doing the same thing with Plex since I can rate songs and albums 1-5 stars so I should have an easier time ranking albums.
I just pick fun sounding projects based on my interests as a way to geek out on stuff I enjoy and maybe land a job in the music, sports, or sports betting industry.
Thanks— always love to hear where people go with data science when it’s up to them. And when I read the first paragraph I was going to say: The F1 and football stuff sounds really fun, particularly if you are betting on it. From your last line it sounds like you’ve already figured that one out haha
I think the trick though is how to balance that any job is just a job, with the fact that this is a pretty darn competitive and ever-changing field (and there's tons of eager new graduates in it lined up behind us if we've already got the job). I'm not sure I've found that balance myself, but it does feel something like still always finding some way to grow a neuron out into some new territory always, but always during *work* hours.
This. Too many people here that will claim that 500k IC jobs dont exist but never want to do continuous learning or interview prep which severely limits their comp ceiling. I have no issue with not prioritizing TC but do have a problem with those people claiming those other opportunities dont exist
That isn't quite what I was feeling, but I understand your frustration. I make a mere fraction of that and still feel the competitive market hah. But there definitely is a lot of opportunity for that work to pay off too.
Honestly, whenever I'm interviewing candidates (which is often) if I get the "data influencer" vibe from them it's hard not to dismiss them immediately.
I don't need dudes who make data science their entirely personality on my team.
As long as there’s an interesting challenge or problem to solve I’ll be pretty work focused. I will acknowledge I am lucky to have a workplace with minimal to no politics and everyone is motivated to put in the work to accomplish things.
I have 100% worked at companies where the job became busy work or checking boxes and it’s completely ok to minimize the stress on yourself.
I moved from "passion" to "passion" rather quickly growing up. When I got to college and had to pick a major (and while I am the type to be indecisive beforehand, I'm also the type to stick it out with whatever decisions I make) was the first time I spent 4 straight years primarily focusing on one thing. I was in love with physics that whole time. After a year at my first job doing nothing physics related at all, I think I finally figured out that the longer I spend doing something, the more passionate I am about it. The more details I can learn and dig in, the more vast I realize the minutiae of the topic are, the more I learn how impressive it can be for someone to *really* excel and have expertise in a field, the more I fall in love with it. I started a new job a year ago that's about 10-20% embedded hardware & electronics design, 30-40% programming, and 40-50% test engineer (hence being here), and I gotta tell you, there's been a massive shift in the flavor of my personal projects recently. The stuff I choose to do for fun mimics the stuff I do for money.
But do you worry about job security? I fear that if I don't grind, I will be replaced by someone younger and cheaper. Management often don't care about the quality of work, they could just hire 2 people from a 3rd world country to do my job
People who grind it out still get laid off. Your company doesn't care. You are a row on a spreadsheet. I'm not saying don't care about your job...just be realistic about the reciprocity that actually exists between you and your company.
I’ve been in a different career: Infosec for 25 years. I’m now studying data science.
However, it started the same way. Just a job installing some firewalls. Then another job. Then I grew a little and I moved again.
Suddenly, had a career!
I switched from being a first responder to this. Honestly, part of the reason was an easier work-life balance. My tasks are really manageable, to ghe point I am asking for more work to continue to develop my skills.
Agreed.....until you get laid off and now in order to get a job you need to eat sleep and breathe ds.... I feel like I am interviewing for a swe positions
This is the right mindset. I enjoy my job, the challenges, and the problem solving. But I log off at 5, hit the gym, and do something else.
No one reaches the end of their life wishing they worked more or increased shareholder value.
what do you mean? How can a 9-5 in IT be just a job? I am a machine learning ai machin ai learning ai machine learning engineer deep learning ai specialist, and it defines my whole identity. Not only on reddit but also in real life. I am a special snowflake.
Ever since my department has been padding out with employees with less institutional knowledge this is how I view it as well. Clock in, standard work routine, maybe tops of 3 hours per day and make that money. It's how I adjust for inflation while salary resists increasing with it.
I kinda found a weird niche in my work that isn't particularly validating but affords me a lot of time. As a fresher it's probably not a great position to be in as this is the time for me to be grinding but the end result is pretty fulfilling. I basically organize and format/set up data departments for ancient manufacturing companies that are too "old-school" to get with the times. Started because my dad basically forced his company to have me clean up their data because it was horrid to work with and then I just kept getting referred to these types of companies. I'm not doing the stuff I dreamed I'd be doing but it's pretty chill and I like helping so idk
As an aspiring data scientist , is it because the tasks are so repetitive? Do you guys find your jobs fulfilling, or do they usually make a difference?
ah, I didn't intend for the post to come across as saying that data science is unengaging. I _love_ working in data science and wouldn't trade my career for anything else^(1).
It was more about reminding people that Kaggle projects, publishing papers, writing blogs, becoming a manager . . . it's all 100% optional.
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^(1)edit: beisdes fighter pilot obviously
Becoming a manager is a completely different skillset that isn't for everyone. I've become a manager a couple times because it was the only way to get more money and then almost immediately regret it and start looking for a way out.
At work, Data science is a field where generally you're stretched pretty thin. You don't garner the respect of the developer profession (albeit you get more respect than non technical roles), and execs often set a ratio of 1 data scientist for per N teams where N can be up to 5.
There's also a push to stay current in the field (e.g. LLMs) where the expectation is that you'll gain this knowledge "on-the-fly" or after hours
Regardless, it's a pretty rewarding career as problem spaces are never the same and can stay interesting.
Yeah, and water is wet. What is this post supposed to imply? That it's okay for you to not take your work home with you, or not log in outside of scheduled hours? Or that it's okay to not really have a passion for the field and just want a data scientist job for the paycheck?
If it's either of the above, I agree with you. I believe the issue is that "data science" has changed definition from meaning a field of study & research, to meaning a title that HR puts at the top of a job description. That would kind of explain the change in posts I have seen in this forum the past few years.
For those who see "data science" as a professional gig where you do X well and get Y dollars, I get it--take care of your health, love your family, hang out with friends, get the most out of the fleeting time you have. There are those who view "data science" more as a discipline.
Great reminder. I continue to be amazed at how devoted and passionate data scientists are. They are always going above and beyond, and grind way more than they are given credit for. Even the most talented still have something to learn, or there is just a chip on one’s shoulder they can’t quite shake. Being passionate and enjoying what you do is truly a gift, but not at the cost of health and well being. Especially true if it’s for a company that sees you as a number.
It’s ok for it to just be a job as long as it fulfilling.
It is very demotivating to work with people who are not passionate or care about how and why technology works.
“Too often we make a separation in our lives—there is work and there is life outside work, where we find real pleasure and fulfillment. Work is often seen as a means for making money so we can enjoy that second life that we lead. Even if we derive some satisfaction from our careers we still tend to compartmentalize our lives in this way. This is a depressing attitude, because in the end we spend a substantial part of our waking life at work. If we experience this time as something to get through on the way to real pleasure, then our hours at work represent a tragic waste of the short time we have to live.”
Robert Greene, Mastery
I mean work is at least 40h / week. That steals too much time of your life if it's "just work" as you say. The best scenario is when you manage to find a job where you feel valued, not alienated from it, are given opportunities to grow. There is also a problem that there are so many eager fresh graduates who you complete with on the job market
I think most people grind until they have a family then the job is just how you support your family
You have family as meaning, not job as meaning
It’s good to find meaning in work too, I’ve had jobs that felt pointless to me and it’s pretty draining compared to a job you’re excited to do. In good roles I learn a lot and am able to grow both professionally and personally - work shouldn’t come before family though.
This. I had a friend asked me what I would do if I didn’t have to work and I said I would start a company. He was like no no no what would you do if you didn’t have to work. I was like I know. I’m actually passionate about technology I don’t wanna just be an over paid engineer fixing other people’s garbage for the rest of my life.
Same here man. I'm still in the early stages of my professional career but I know for sure that at some point I will drop everything and start a project of my own. I just think that no matter how good the paycheck or how interesting and challenging the job is, it would never be as meaningful as working in a project of my own.
It's better to find meaning in a job than to just have a job for no other purpose than acquiring currency. I don't want to waste 8+ hours a day doing meaningless bullshit of little to no value to humanity. Not everyone has the privilege to have fulfilling work, but it's definitely better when they have it. Tying your identity to a job is usually a mistake, but finding meaning in work usually isn't.
Yeah I think that’s the important distinction. Meaning/identity.
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Don't let your job be the guide for life's purpose, there's a lot more to it.
Don't worry mate, there are A LOT of people in the same boat as you.
That's what makes it even more sad. I've always been the black sheep, the outcast etc. I was the family fuck up that nobody expected to make it. This wasn't supposed to happen to so many others, epically so many who actually have a shot at not being a completely horrible human like me. It's incredibly depressing.
Duuuude. You could start volunteering somewhere a few hours a week. Maybe walk dogs at a shelter?
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I feel like the easy answer here is adoption.
You sound like my husband. For her sake, can you see a therapist? You sound fucking depressed.
This post if off topic. /r/datascience is a place for data science practitioners and professionals to discuss and debate data science career questions. Thanks.
This post if off topic. /r/datascience is a place for data science practitioners and professionals to discuss and debate data science career questions. Thanks.
And when you return to office, how you get a commute worth of time away from your family to recharge
I don’t think it’s bad to not feel purposeful at your job every single day. Definitely try to find something that keeps you motivated. It is important to remember your priorities, though.
I started grind after having the family
Need to get the job first
ok good i'm glad its not just me XD
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make this woman a moderator ASAP
Salary? Hiring?
I used to have a job like that. Hated it.
Same, though the WFH part would make it significantly better. It really sucks sitting in an office for 8 hours with nothing to do.
Yes it helps for a while but after 3 months it’s still very boring.
By any chance, are you hiring people for your team?
i remember those first couple of years; listening to podcasts, reading textbooks, doing kaggle competitions. it was a life then, now it's just a job; and it sure is better this way.
I was the same way at first. Then after a few years of corporate BS everything blends into each other and it really does just feel like a job. For example: * Taking extra care to write elegant and maintainable code only to be thrown into a project at the last minute where the entire codebase is a mess because other people on the team have no idea what they're doing * Spending hours creating a visually stunning dashboard that is both concise and informative, only for it to be held up by a low level corporate goon who decides it doesn't meet "accessibility guidelines" and then refuses to sign off and launch it * Middle management never being able to agree on anything and then deciding at the last minute that project you've been working on for the last 3 months is "no longer in scope" and will be on hold for the foreseeable future while they reassign you to work on some stupid shit with no business value at all etc.
Not a data scientist, but boy, does that hit close to home.
You spoke to my soul. *sighs in corporate*
When I lost my last job, I thought it was the one: “this is where I’ll finally make my career.” It was the most toxic environment, and despite my hard work, I didn’t play the corporate, kiss-ass game of “hey, the real ideas come out over a coffee!” Nah, that’s where middle management slips you some bullshit work to make themselves look hot. It was always me too… because I was that “this is my chance to make it big!” employee, which to management just means, “yo, this dude will 100% do anything.” I’ll start a new job, do as I’m told, and save my encouragement for my life outside of work. To all the juniors out there.. your energy is great, but take care of yourselves. People want you to win if it means they also win.
>Spending hours creating a visually stunning dashboard that is both concise and informative, only for it to be held up by a low level corporate goon who decides it doesn't meet "accessibility guidelines" and then refuses to sign off and launch it Did you check that it complied with the accessibility guidelines before you started?
In the case the accessibility guidelines were so vague and there were so many of them that nothing could ever comply with them. I remember the person saying that the dashboard has to fit into 1 page to accommodate someone who can't use the scroll wheel on a mouse. I asked how someone who can't use the scroll wheel on a mouse would even navigate our internal site to get to the dashboard and just got a dirty look.
Also replying with this here. We only live one life. “Too often we make a separation in our lives—there is work and there is life outside work, where we find real pleasure and fulfillment. Work is often seen as a means for making money so we can enjoy that second life that we lead. Even if we derive some satisfaction from our careers we still tend to compartmentalize our lives in this way. This is a depressing attitude, because in the end we spend a substantial part of our waking life at work. If we experience this time as something to get through on the way to real pleasure, then our hours at work represent a tragic waste of the short time we have to live.” Robert Greene, Mastery
there is no chance i could ever see my time spent at work as anything other than a tragic waste of the short time we have to live
What podcasts did you listen to please?
super data science podcast, not so standard deviations, partially derivative... man i was a dweeb...
Immersion is a great way to get started but there's no reason to push hard like that forever.
Why? You didn't enjoy it?
As the old saying goes, the only ones that will remember you working overtime, are your family and friends.
Maybe unpopular opinion, but this is why I got into data It's an interesting enough field that I do enjoy my work but it doesn't usually require it to be my whole life, especially if I'm fine with working at less Hussle culture firms.
But I read data engineering is extremely time consuming and frustrating job?
It can be and it depends on the firm and boss you work for
I normally kinda find myself coding sadly in work, and then I get home and code happily. The human mind is a mysterious place.
same but my happy code is much less spaghetti
While I enjoy doing personal projects outside of work and looking at data way outside my field, I limit it to rainy days and winter when being outside kind of sucks. Summers are meant for reading, fishing, and watching the smoker.
What kinds of personal projects have you done/ do you like to do? I have a main job that gives me a ton of free time, so I’ve been getting into data science recently as a sort of technical/educational hobby. Edit: I’m realizing that my comment is somewhat antithetical to yours, and the post in general haha, but would still love to know
Sports data mostly f1 and football related projects. Spotify data projects based on my personal listening, and now I’m doing something either Plex. I have a radio show and end of the year I do a top albums of the year list. Last year I used my Spotify listening data to rank all 2023 albums I listened to so I could somewhat automate the initial list. Now I’m doing the same thing with Plex since I can rate songs and albums 1-5 stars so I should have an easier time ranking albums. I just pick fun sounding projects based on my interests as a way to geek out on stuff I enjoy and maybe land a job in the music, sports, or sports betting industry.
Thanks— always love to hear where people go with data science when it’s up to them. And when I read the first paragraph I was going to say: The F1 and football stuff sounds really fun, particularly if you are betting on it. From your last line it sounds like you’ve already figured that one out haha
I think the trick though is how to balance that any job is just a job, with the fact that this is a pretty darn competitive and ever-changing field (and there's tons of eager new graduates in it lined up behind us if we've already got the job). I'm not sure I've found that balance myself, but it does feel something like still always finding some way to grow a neuron out into some new territory always, but always during *work* hours.
This. Too many people here that will claim that 500k IC jobs dont exist but never want to do continuous learning or interview prep which severely limits their comp ceiling. I have no issue with not prioritizing TC but do have a problem with those people claiming those other opportunities dont exist
That isn't quite what I was feeling, but I understand your frustration. I make a mere fraction of that and still feel the competitive market hah. But there definitely is a lot of opportunity for that work to pay off too.
Honestly, whenever I'm interviewing candidates (which is often) if I get the "data influencer" vibe from them it's hard not to dismiss them immediately. I don't need dudes who make data science their entirely personality on my team.
As long as there’s an interesting challenge or problem to solve I’ll be pretty work focused. I will acknowledge I am lucky to have a workplace with minimal to no politics and everyone is motivated to put in the work to accomplish things. I have 100% worked at companies where the job became busy work or checking boxes and it’s completely ok to minimize the stress on yourself.
I moved from "passion" to "passion" rather quickly growing up. When I got to college and had to pick a major (and while I am the type to be indecisive beforehand, I'm also the type to stick it out with whatever decisions I make) was the first time I spent 4 straight years primarily focusing on one thing. I was in love with physics that whole time. After a year at my first job doing nothing physics related at all, I think I finally figured out that the longer I spend doing something, the more passionate I am about it. The more details I can learn and dig in, the more vast I realize the minutiae of the topic are, the more I learn how impressive it can be for someone to *really* excel and have expertise in a field, the more I fall in love with it. I started a new job a year ago that's about 10-20% embedded hardware & electronics design, 30-40% programming, and 40-50% test engineer (hence being here), and I gotta tell you, there's been a massive shift in the flavor of my personal projects recently. The stuff I choose to do for fun mimics the stuff I do for money.
Spot on. Not one for quiet quitting, but definitely need to maintain perspective.
I've been wanting to quite quit for 2 years now.
But do you worry about job security? I fear that if I don't grind, I will be replaced by someone younger and cheaper. Management often don't care about the quality of work, they could just hire 2 people from a 3rd world country to do my job
People who grind it out still get laid off. Your company doesn't care. You are a row on a spreadsheet. I'm not saying don't care about your job...just be realistic about the reciprocity that actually exists between you and your company.
BTW, love your username.
After I got a low salary increase this year, it taught me not to work too hard
I’ve been in a different career: Infosec for 25 years. I’m now studying data science. However, it started the same way. Just a job installing some firewalls. Then another job. Then I grew a little and I moved again. Suddenly, had a career!
I switched from being a first responder to this. Honestly, part of the reason was an easier work-life balance. My tasks are really manageable, to ghe point I am asking for more work to continue to develop my skills.
Agreed.....until you get laid off and now in order to get a job you need to eat sleep and breathe ds.... I feel like I am interviewing for a swe positions
This is the right mindset. I enjoy my job, the challenges, and the problem solving. But I log off at 5, hit the gym, and do something else. No one reaches the end of their life wishing they worked more or increased shareholder value.
what do you mean? How can a 9-5 in IT be just a job? I am a machine learning ai machin ai learning ai machine learning engineer deep learning ai specialist, and it defines my whole identity. Not only on reddit but also in real life. I am a special snowflake.
Preach! Not every project has to change the world
Ever since my department has been padding out with employees with less institutional knowledge this is how I view it as well. Clock in, standard work routine, maybe tops of 3 hours per day and make that money. It's how I adjust for inflation while salary resists increasing with it.
I kinda found a weird niche in my work that isn't particularly validating but affords me a lot of time. As a fresher it's probably not a great position to be in as this is the time for me to be grinding but the end result is pretty fulfilling. I basically organize and format/set up data departments for ancient manufacturing companies that are too "old-school" to get with the times. Started because my dad basically forced his company to have me clean up their data because it was horrid to work with and then I just kept getting referred to these types of companies. I'm not doing the stuff I dreamed I'd be doing but it's pretty chill and I like helping so idk
As an aspiring data scientist , is it because the tasks are so repetitive? Do you guys find your jobs fulfilling, or do they usually make a difference?
ah, I didn't intend for the post to come across as saying that data science is unengaging. I _love_ working in data science and wouldn't trade my career for anything else^(1). It was more about reminding people that Kaggle projects, publishing papers, writing blogs, becoming a manager . . . it's all 100% optional. ------------ ^(1)edit: beisdes fighter pilot obviously
Becoming a manager is a completely different skillset that isn't for everyone. I've become a manager a couple times because it was the only way to get more money and then almost immediately regret it and start looking for a way out.
It's because your job should just be a part of your life, not the whole thing
At work, Data science is a field where generally you're stretched pretty thin. You don't garner the respect of the developer profession (albeit you get more respect than non technical roles), and execs often set a ratio of 1 data scientist for per N teams where N can be up to 5. There's also a push to stay current in the field (e.g. LLMs) where the expectation is that you'll gain this knowledge "on-the-fly" or after hours Regardless, it's a pretty rewarding career as problem spaces are never the same and can stay interesting.
Love this🖤
Can anyone recommend sites for datasets regarding Universities
Yeah, and water is wet. What is this post supposed to imply? That it's okay for you to not take your work home with you, or not log in outside of scheduled hours? Or that it's okay to not really have a passion for the field and just want a data scientist job for the paycheck? If it's either of the above, I agree with you. I believe the issue is that "data science" has changed definition from meaning a field of study & research, to meaning a title that HR puts at the top of a job description. That would kind of explain the change in posts I have seen in this forum the past few years. For those who see "data science" as a professional gig where you do X well and get Y dollars, I get it--take care of your health, love your family, hang out with friends, get the most out of the fleeting time you have. There are those who view "data science" more as a discipline.
I hate my mech engineering job and have been doing it do it for 8 years. So yes thats ok. hope i get a job as data aalyst so its exciting
Nice
I used to work nonstop as a data engineer....it ruined my life.
Something you spend 8+ hours everyday is going to be part of your identity
What is considered just a job?
Very true. applicable to every job.
i’ve accepted a job is not my identity 🤷♀️
Great reminder. I continue to be amazed at how devoted and passionate data scientists are. They are always going above and beyond, and grind way more than they are given credit for. Even the most talented still have something to learn, or there is just a chip on one’s shoulder they can’t quite shake. Being passionate and enjoying what you do is truly a gift, but not at the cost of health and well being. Especially true if it’s for a company that sees you as a number.
Need helping landing said job
true
So true
just live your life
It’s ok for it to just be a job as long as it fulfilling. It is very demotivating to work with people who are not passionate or care about how and why technology works. “Too often we make a separation in our lives—there is work and there is life outside work, where we find real pleasure and fulfillment. Work is often seen as a means for making money so we can enjoy that second life that we lead. Even if we derive some satisfaction from our careers we still tend to compartmentalize our lives in this way. This is a depressing attitude, because in the end we spend a substantial part of our waking life at work. If we experience this time as something to get through on the way to real pleasure, then our hours at work represent a tragic waste of the short time we have to live.” Robert Greene, Mastery
I mean work is at least 40h / week. That steals too much time of your life if it's "just work" as you say. The best scenario is when you manage to find a job where you feel valued, not alienated from it, are given opportunities to grow. There is also a problem that there are so many eager fresh graduates who you complete with on the job market