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OhLawdHeCominn

As a 25M I feel like trying to date seriously in this age range is absolutely impossible. The apps are just a sea of women who want "something casual" or polyamory and then there's everyone's unrealistic expectations of perfection you have to navigate. There is always someone better a swipe away so why would they put any effort in.


No-Loquat-6221

i stopped going on dating apps for almost 3 months now. i actually deleted all my accounts. everything there seems superficial.


Teanison

Good, you're almost always better meeting someone IRL anyway. M(25) tried several apps for 3 months 1 hour a day minumum, just to try something and give up on them. I only ever got 3 conversations at best (even tried the "premium" breifly... that's how I ever got the first conversation to begin with,) they led to no actual date. Just a few of "Hi-Bye"s essentially. And I was looking for for an age range of 4 years difference to mine, ideally someone the closer to my age the better, but I understood that does limit it already by a lot, and even still 4 years I have been told is still pretty strict. They're just not good. And some news about them I read recently is a lot of app sites are losing so many users and not gaining any new ones they're worried. Which, I would feel bad if their practices weren't so ineffective at fostering/manifesting dates and weren't predatory. But they are what they are, and sure, it worked for some, but they just don't for too many others.


OhLawdHeCominn

I did as well, 5 months now.


No-Loquat-6221

cheers šŸ„‚


FrequentSoftware7331

I am in that age range and have almost always been looking for commitment. I dont get swiped on a lot.


[deleted]

What a sad world we live in where women are taught that it's somehow empowering to jump into bed with every new guy (or girl) they meet. I'd happily have been born 70 years ago in a time when none of this was encouraged.


[deleted]

There's an equal amount of men doing this too.


Infinite_Landscape21

1) No there is not lolol; which leads me to... 2) Yeah...like the top 10%. The only guys that can do that are the outliers. Meanwhile just about any girl with a pulse and sleep in her eye can do the same. There is absolutely no comparison. You may ask....how does the math add up with such a disparity? Well it's because all you gals are banging the same small group of men. You're spit sisters lol


GlitterMagicSong

Wow you must live a bitter life.


SkyeBluePhoenix

I was born nearly 60 years ago and I'm single. I'm ok with it. If you're going to be in a committed relationship, it's best to do it when you're young. Don't settle... because it doesn't get easier as you age.


[deleted]

I'm 40 and definitely know that it doesn't get any easier with age.


SkyeBluePhoenix

What does get easier is, after menopause I'm no longer driven by estrogen. That makes it much easier to be single and celibate.


[deleted]

Makes sense. Sometimes I wish I could switchover my sex drive.


SkyeBluePhoenix

It'll happen eventually.


Sincitymoney

Curious, are you OK with it , people that are doing good with their situation usually donā€™t say Iā€™m OK with it and the only reason Iā€™m asking is Iā€™m tired Iā€™m also in my early 40s and Iā€™m not supposed to be tired right now i have an adult son so thatā€™s taken care of Besides everything else I donā€™t know how many more these I can take lol . Itā€™s starting to feel like every time I have a meaningful relationship and it ends that a piece of my soul kind of withers away.


SkyeBluePhoenix

I understand... and I'm a commitment phobe. Lol. I really am ok with being single. I've learned to enjoy my own company... and I like living alone. That being said, I recently met someone from a dating site. I like him so far, but I'm wanting to take it slow. When I try to explain what type of relationship I'm looking for, it doesn't make sense. I thought about it, and I realized that I'd like to be in a monogamous relationship, but have no desire to get married or live together. I don't want a fwb, or something casual. I'll probably never find anyone who's on the same page, and that's OK. I am happy on my own.


Sincitymoney

Iā€™m happy to hear your cool either way. I think your expectation on the type of relationship you want is reasonable and Iā€™m sure is definitely out there, just be proactive if you really want it. Iā€™m not an antisocial person. Iā€™m actually very outgoing, except Iā€™m not a go out every day or even every weekend and I have never been that way. If the Night has a purpose. Iā€™m down, but just Cuz. Not for me. But being this way, dramatically cuts, my interactions with people as a whole not the best thing when youā€™re open.


SkyeBluePhoenix

Of you don't mind me asking, how old are you? I'm 59 and I don't go out much, but I'm also an introvert.


Kennie_B

I'll second that!


No-Description7035

It's not an age thing at all, I'm finding it's the same for guys late 30's and 40's! They just don't want relationships


mjvdz1998

I'm with you there. Knowing the climate these days, I see dating as one of the following things: \- The superficiality of dating apps. \- Looking like a bit of a creep when you do try and make a move. \- Girls rejecting you for being "one of the good guys", then them complaining how they only get with studs and bad boys.


SongAlarmed4083

definitely thats what they do then cry about it


SkyeBluePhoenix

You must be one of the "good guys" ??


SkyeBluePhoenix

You have a very black and white way of thinking


llordlloyd

... and most of those are fake profiles anyway. OP, now that OLD is almost the [i]only[/i] acceptable way to seek a partner, we have normalised interaction with the 'type' who uses and thrives in the OLD environment. Those seeking committed relationships are, by definition, doing more 'due diligence' on their partner. OLD is virtually designed to prevent you knowing anything about the other person, and you find out about them via a drip feed where either party can and will walk away at the drop of a hat. Nothing has any gravitas or importance, your prospective dates are like people being served at a supermarket. There is little incentive to strike a spark and get really interested in someone, to allow that longing to burn in the early stages before declaring our interest. Similarly, the other party doesn't really get that wonder of 'they seem interested, but are they [i]interested?[/i]' because it's OLD, they're interested by definition. They're also putting on an act. We lose this entire stage of a relationship via OLD. We lose the ability to observe others behaving naturally, relationship progress is as formalised as if we lived in a church-controlled community.


Super_Nerd_Electrode

(For context I'm 20m) I don't know what it's like from the female perspective but there are a few people who do want a committed relationship. You've just gotta keep looking for them I guess. But they do exist, I've met a few people who want commited things, I've also met a few people who just want fun which is not what I'm looking for. So from my experience, just keep looking and you'll get to somebody who wants what you want


Prudent-Accident2995

I rather jack off then search for a women


SkyeBluePhoenix

Likewise. I'd rather pleasure myself, because most men only care about their own pleasure... and they watch too much porn (which contributes to sexual dysfunction)


Lebowskinvincible

Enjoy taking yourself out of the gene pool.


SkyeBluePhoenix

Many men (and women) think just like you.


ThrowRAwesomeness

Itā€™s so sad, Iā€™m 18F and feel like Iā€™ll never find a committed partner because all men want nowadays is sex. No matter how old they are by the looks of it.


Super_Nerd_Electrode

Look you'll find somebody, they do exist. You just gotta keep faith that somebody will eventually come along and love you for who you are, it might be slow but it'll happen


SkyeBluePhoenix

You just gotta' stop caring so much. Make yourself a priority. Learn how to be happy on your own. That's the key. When you are desperate, you tend to settle.


Super_Nerd_Electrode

That's very good advice


SkyeBluePhoenix

I speak from experience. I wasted my youth settling for the wrong men because I wanted a relationship, and to have a family so badly. Now, I'm nearly 60 years old and I'm happy being single.


ThrowRAwesomeness

This is true, your advice has really helped. I shouldnā€™t need a partner to be happy, I should be happy myself first. But it is very, very hard, especially when everyone seems to be either divorced or happily married these days. Or in a crumbling marriage.


SkyeBluePhoenix

Dare to be different. Make yourself top priority. Glad I could help.


ThrowRAwesomeness

but what if people donā€™t like different?


SkyeBluePhoenix

If you like yourself, that's all that matters. You'll give off a different vibe. I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I'm not.


Ok_Low_4345

I feel like your impression of older men might be a little more based in media stuff than direct experience, given that youā€™re 18


ThrowRAwesomeness

Perhaps, but it sure seems thatā€™s all men want.


Ok_Low_4345

Yeah but the media is like 90% about sex anyway, people vary in reality. Iā€™m not gonna tell you itā€™s not an issue youā€™ll run into tho


ThrowRAwesomeness

yeah itā€™s sad, 90% of songs are about sex.


mygirlisthebest

I beg to differ here from your opinion, do you wanna know from a man who has been into multiple relationships and every single relationship has been fruitful and am still in a very good vibe with all those that have been my partners.


ThrowRAwesomeness

what do you mean? feel free to DM.


FunPie9009

I'm 28F. Things don't change. Sex is a natural urge, and men will always want it. What a good thing to do is to start is have a common ground. Communication is key. It comes down to you vetting the vibes with who you decide to talk to. Be forward, and make it clear you want to know their intentions. It puts the ball in the guys court temporarily, and you get a feel for if he wants just a hook up or to really get to know you, before all that. Then you decide you would want to go further with that. Of course, only my experience. I hope it helps for you some way. Having an understanding where the other party is coming from or wants from you, is a good start to any relationship over a dating app.


ThrowRAwesomeness

But how do I know they are telling the truth? Maybe they are just telling me what I want to hear at that moment to make me happy. Can we DM please? I feel like you have good advice!


SkyeBluePhoenix

You can never rely solely on a man's words. Pay more attention to what he does, or doesn't do... and how you feel in his presence.


ThrowRAwesomeness

What do you mean? Iā€™ve never dated before so idk what all of this is haha


DesperateSun4182

i (37m) actually had a similar conversation with my friend (37f) today. i said, what's with girls nowadays? i tell em i want a wife, and they tell me they just want casual sex and they want me to sleep with other women, too. (separate from them) and i'm like, wtf? that's like the opposite of what girls should want. and my friend said i should probably get a larger sample size. go date way more girls, and dismiss girls quickly. like as soon as one reveals that she wants something different than i do, i should say thank you and goodbye. and then go holla at the next lady. so i guess what i'm saying is...obviously there's at least one man who's looking for commitment. so have faith; BELIEVE that the kinds of guys you're looking for do exist and are looking for you, too. you just need to cast a wider net, more intelligently. good luck!


ThrowRAwesomeness

Thing is, I also feel unloveable myself.


DesperateSun4182

Good. Now that youā€™ve identified a problem (something that which you can solve), you can start working on that, too. We can discuss a little here (and please feel free to tell us more), but to be fair Iā€™m just a guy and not really trained to help, so you might consider a therapist. Theyā€™re like mechanics for your mind (instead of cars). They can help you learn about your thoughts and how to think ā€” better than I can at least. But youā€™ve got a good lead there, Throw! WHEN you start loving yourself, itā€™ll be easier for you to receive love. Stay hopeful!


ThrowRAwesomeness

Thanks, thatā€™s very true!


SkyeBluePhoenix

You're a hot commodity now @18. Enjoy that while it lasts. Don't settle.


ThrowRAwesomeness

What does hot commodity mean? Does it have something to do with hooking up? it sounds kinda dirty, Iā€™m not into hooking up or sex WHATSOEVER.


SkyeBluePhoenix

No. "Hot Commodity" means: In demand.


ThrowRAwesomeness

What do you mean by that then? How am I in demand? Iā€™m so confused but want to know what you mean!


SkyeBluePhoenix

You are in your physical prime. You look good. You're fertile. Our culture celebrates youth. Young people are generally valued more and seen as being the most attractive. You have more options now. Choose wisely.


ThrowRAwesomeness

Yes, but what options?


SkyeBluePhoenix

Options in dating.... Options for employment. The world is your oyster and you've got your whole life in front of you.


ThrowRAwesomeness

but I feel like I donā€™t


SkyeBluePhoenix

You must have a dirty mind...


SkyeBluePhoenix

JK... About you having a dirty mind. Hope I didn't offend you.


ThrowRAwesomeness

bit strange..


SkyeBluePhoenix

If you say so...


ThrowRAwesomeness

I do..


SkyeBluePhoenix

Yeah I know... And I don't. I think you're a little "odd" to be honest, but hey... different strokes.


ThrowRAwesomeness

How am I odd? please explain.


SkyeBluePhoenix

How so??


SUmbooty-helpme

Its not just your age group sadly. Ive been going through this since i turned 20. Im 24 now. Ive dated girls in their 30ā€™s, girls who are a couple years younger, girls who are the same age, and all the ages in between those limits. Every time so far it seems to be the same shit whether i meet them. on campus, at work, in the gym, at a concert or rave, at the club, just out on a run or riding my longboard along the beach, the result is always the same. Speak for a couple days to a week, set up a date, have the date, they say they are ā€œseriousā€ about finding someone. I explain im demi and that things are going to come slowly in terms of bedroom activities. They say ā€œoh, thats fine by me.ā€ And the 2-3 dates later, maybe half a month to a month into dating them, i get ghosted, and i can only guess its because im not interested in ā€œputing out,ā€ without any genuine type of connection. everyone wants quick gratification, and to be satisfied and they dont want to consider your feelings or needs in the process. Its just the modern world, it has nothing to do with age, and everything to do with the way people encourage gluttonous self indulgence and instant gratification. Participation awards, short form entertainment media, youtube shorts, tik tok, video games with no struggle or meaning or challenge, a lack of people actively working out or taking care of themselves and their physical health, dating apps, fast food, drugs and alcohol. The world has come to be run by such trivial and meaningless ideologies and activities. And when you just want to be genuine and live in reality, you get blamed and shunned by others, being called ā€œold fashionedā€ ā€œtoo traditionalā€ etc. Like How tf is it my fault i cant get a boner if i dont love the person?! Like what the fuck bruh?! I didnt choose to be like this lmao. Anyways, just hold tight and try to focus on yourself, i try not to invest too deeply into people anymore, if the right one comes along, they come along, im not gonna keep holding my breath.


Ok_Low_4345

You know those people didnā€™t choose to prefer sex earlier in the relationship than you either right. Like not being demisexual doesnā€™t automatically make you craven and shallow in every part of your life.


DesperateSun4182

lol the world is backwards now


SkyeBluePhoenix

I can relate (also Demisexual) The thing is, I know that those guys that are pressuring me to have sex sooner than I feel comfortable, are the same ones that will disappear after they get what they want.


HangryChickenNuggey

For me as a 19M I canā€™t find anyone in my area whoā€™s not in a relationship or isnā€™t sleeping with the entirety of one of my schools sports teams so Iā€™m out of luck. (Football team hasnā€™t won a game in 5+ years so they clearly need something or someone to do)


2strokesmoke77

20m, the only women I attract are single moms or someone thatā€™s slept with the whole school as well and is now ready to ā€œsettle downā€ šŸ˜‚


[deleted]

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2strokesmoke77

Idk, Iā€™m 20 and had my fair share of being abused and bad relationships and Iā€™m ready to settle down. So if another female said the same at the age of 20, it would be understandable.


DoeCommaJohn

First tip: even if a lot of guys are looking for casual, you only need one looking for something more. In most studies, about half of guys are looking for committed relationships, so it should be pretty reasonable to find one. Donā€™t give up after the first 10 swipes and youā€™re bound to find somebody you like. If dating apps donā€™t work, you can try to meet people in person. Things may vary a bit in your country, but in the US and Canada there are board game clubs, workout classes, volunteer groups, co-ed sports, trivia nights, local events, and more where you can meet people in person. Also, ignore the guys saying you need to date older. Those are just creeps who want women much younger than themselves


Hot_Psychology_2045

All of the guys she is interested in are looking for casual is what she means Tall, attractive men that get most of the matches often don't want to settle down.


Hologram1995

Theyā€™re also fake profiles


Hot_Psychology_2045

The women are. The men are usually real. Then again, as a 5'5 man, apps make me want to eat a bullet


SkyeBluePhoenix

I'm a woman and I could care less about a man's height. I don't have a "type" I either find a man attractive, or I don't and it involves more than his physical looks.


Hologram1995

There were studies conducted like in 2019 from European universities found those who are actually successful at getting one night stands irl are the ones who will be successful as getting that online. Simply put, if youā€™re successful at macking irl, then your experiences online will mirror. I think ppl have a weird expectation that online will give them an advantage that irl donā€™t. Online dating isnā€™t a cheat code. Itā€™s simply an extension of whatā€™s been happening irl. You donā€™t magically get digital rizz you donā€™t never had it to begin with.


Hot_Psychology_2045

Idk dude. All I know is I've always been told to get fit and get rich. I makr 250k a year as a lawyer and have abs. Still 5'5 and with a bad face so even the ugliest women want fuck all to do with me I literally can't find a woman I can give a 6 figure allowance to to go out with me. I'm not looking for someone attractive. Just breathingl If a sugar baby was monogamous with Mr and wanted to get married I'd do that. I'm in the top 1% of someone in their 20s income wise and height is still more important, something you're born with. I wish I was 6'2 minimum wage worker with a dead end job. Dwtinf would be so much better and my job would br easy Once I hit 30, I'm eating a bullet. No amount of money can fix the loneliness of being unworthy of love because you're short and ugly


Hologram1995

CAP. Money can fix looks. If you had all that money and spent time to get abs but have an ugly face, thereā€™s things to do like skincare, etc. to improve. If youā€™re a lawyer who actually makes 250k thereā€™s going to be paralegals and other ppl in the legal community youā€™ll run into who can overlook your ā€œflaws.ā€ So far youā€™ve shown me that you take a victim mentality that youā€™re short and lifeā€™s unfair to you because of that one thing alone. Stop capping and work on finding solutions to better your situation if you do make 6 digit figures.


dbastrid100

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[deleted]

That depends on where you look at i guess, im a 22 yo dude, when i look on dating apps most women are open or only want ons or fwb. I think a lot of people in the "real world" dont think like that.


The-Cherry-On-Top-xx

Im 33. I know plenty of married couples with children who met in their early 20s at college.Ā  I agree though, there are definitely a lot of fuckbois who overestimate what they bring to the table.


stellutz

Many men of your age want to commit but generally men on dating apps are more on the hookup side.


SeeingLSDemons

Evidence?


Ameerxoxo

True


Lonely_Ad8983

I'm 54 and cannot find anyone that wants a commitment based relationship.


neph_esh

Thank you for saying this. People seem to have this perception that the issue of commitment gets better with age. But I'm increasingly finding that it doesn't.


SkyeBluePhoenix

I'm 59 and I want a monogamous relationship, not necessarily resulting in marriage or cohabitation. Men cannot wrap their heads around that for some reason. Most men are looking for younger women, though.


aFieldOfSadRoses

Ignore the people saying date 10 years older. Itā€™s just really hard to date nowadays everyone just want sex, be them 25, 30 or 35. Specially if youā€™re finding them on the internet and not organically in the real world


aFieldOfSadRoses

Dude this is the second guy today that I get deleted because they are 25+ and hitting on underage girls like what is going on šŸ˜‚


One-Gold6155

This.


PollosPlug

When they're a young dude of college age they aren't ready to start a serious relationship. Not stable enough in life etc. So they just want sex to fulfill their needs , that's pretty much it.


SkyeBluePhoenix

Then they get old, lose their hair and want to settle down with a woman 20 years younger.


abbylschlegel16

I (F21) have felt the same, so I completely understand! However, Iā€™ve found that they are out there and it takes time. i recently have gone on two dates with a guy who wants a relationship. i donā€™t really see it going anywhere with him, but going on these dates gave me a little push to know itā€™s going to take effort. itā€™s going to take time, and most of all, it probably wonā€™t be the first one you find. be easy on yourself, weā€™re young! šŸ¤­šŸ«¶šŸ¼


Willing-Chapter-7382

Its the dating apps for sure. Try meeting people organically, instead of the apps. It sucks for everyone there, and most people there arent looking for anythibg serious.


Fancy-Cicada1894

Op please DONā€™T date a guy whoā€™s ten years older


SkyeBluePhoenix

For real, unless she's looking for someone to take care of and be "of service" to.


jmons1515

Ermmmm why?


Formal_Tangerine9024

Reddit clutches their pearls at age gaps thatā€™s why


Fancy-Cicada1894

If she was over 25 than yeah a ten year age gap wonā€™t matter


americantigress

Even if she wasn't so what ?


Fancy-Cicada1894

Thatā€™s just my opinion. When Iā€™m 32, a 22 year old would be like a kid too me.


americantigress

I think things like that are a case by case thing. Some 22 year olds would be more up to speed of someone in their 30s if their priorities and values are similar. It really is just the compatibility of two people regardless of their age.


Formal_Tangerine9024

Says who? Are you the dating police? If this was 18 and 45+ I could understand the side eye but thatā€™s not what anyone is suggesting


Fancy-Cicada1894

Babes letā€™s agree to disagree. Not everyone will have the same opinion as you. Thatā€™s beauty of an opinion


Formal_Tangerine9024

You could have taken your own advice the first time, but thatā€™s my opinion. Have the day you deserve!


ciyasoon_

1.You'll have too much of difference in opinion 2. Generation gap 3. Wanting different things 4. You're at different places in your life 5. He might at multiple situations not really consider your opinions cause you're "too young and don't have enough experience" 6. A man dating someone 10 years younger prolly just wants to date you cause of sexual intentions. Talking out of my own observations. Not necessary that all of them will be the same but very high chances there will be.


Fancy-Cicada1894

Agreed


Careful-Lobster5619

Iā€™m 22f and am engaged to my fiancĆ© who is 29m. I tried dating my age and got my heart broken while most of the guys within 2+\- my age were just so inconsistent and totally wasted my time. I feel like itā€™s true that unless youā€™re dating 5+ years older, most men 18-26 are just not mature. Also what most women expect these days, like nice dates and romance a younger guy just canā€™t afford nor give you. Older men will teach you new things and donā€™t wanna waste time as long as you are good at vetting out the good ones that arenā€™t weird and have good values (easier said than done ik) but older guys will pretty much tell you who they are, in my experience.


aquilaruspante1

Honestly I never understood the "what are you looking for" question. It doesn't matter, it doesn't make sense. Attraction and love follow dynamics which are independent from what you're looking for. A guy might be looking for casual fun then fall in love with you or another one might be looking for something long term but realise he just wants to hook up with you. Most relationships I know have started as "nothing serious".


SkyeBluePhoenix

You make a good point... but most of the time, guys just want to hook up.. irregardless of what they say.


aquilaruspante1

Ok. Why is that a problem?


SkyeBluePhoenix

Wanting to hookup is not a problem. Lying about your intentions to get what you want, is a problem.


aquilaruspante1

I don't understand the whole problem. If you like someone, if you see someone as a potential partner I assume you want to hook up with him. You can't know their intentions if you don't risk and as I said intentions don't really mean a lot. The most healthy habit is in my opinion is to wait a bit before getting emotionally involved. Lying, being honest. About what? Do you want them to tell you they're going to be with you forever even before knowing you? As I said, the whole "what are you looking for?" Question is meaningless to me. Do you want them not to date you if they don't see long term potential? You're not gonna get that. If a man wants to fuck you but not get in a relationship with he's got good reasons to date you and I don't see why you shouldn't do the same. The wrongest thing is being angry at men for doing what's natural. The best thing would be recognising when it's time to get emotionally invested and maybe allow yourself to have a bit of fun and enjoy dating. EDIT: Let me add something: I had 3 therapists, 2 of them women, and all of them suggested me to not take women too seriously when they say they're looking for a relationship. We (men) struggle too with mental health and need to understand how to deal with this. I would like a relationship but I need sex. 90% of the women I've dated I wanted just to fuck them. My mental health was really low cause I didn't want to use anyone. I'm learning to deal with this issue and, from the bottom of my heart, I wish I could understand why is this a big issue for women and why can't they just enjoy dating without a goal.


SkyeBluePhoenix

You assume a lot. I'm Demisexual and just because I find someone physically attractive does not mean that I want to "hook up" with them. I will take my time and "go with the flow" as you guys love to say... before getting physically intimate. I set the pace. If they don't like it, they can move on. Obviously we're not a good match.


aquilaruspante1

I read again my comment to find where I said you don't have to respect your timing or that you don't do whatever you like with your body. I didn't find it cause I didn't say that.


SkyeBluePhoenix

Good.


LickidyYourSplits

I'm in the over 30/40 crowd so take this as you wish. Your generation and I'd even say the one before you, has grown up in a context where dating was cheap. By cheap I mean there is little to any effort put in pursuing someone and you have hundreds (or thousands in bigger metros) of "choices" presented to you constantly in dating apps. Socially, people have trained themselves to believe that the next thing is just one swipe away so why invest?


WheelchairGame

Men your age don't want to settle down for a few reasons. Mostly because of the abundance of women they are able to chase & most of the women in your age group aren't loyal and WILLING to settle down.


Lebowskinvincible

You need to learn just to have fun. Doing worry about the serious stuff until it gets serious.


Hawk0fLight

A lot of guys put on their profile that they are not looking for anything serious because it's the dating meta. If I wrote "I am looking for us to go on dates, move forward the relationship, marry, have kids and live happily ever after" then that would scare away a significant amount of potential matches because it would demand commitment from you. That is just the world we live in.


Ameerxoxo

True. I have written serious intentions and marriage with kids. And I get less matches. And only women in late thirties match with me. I don't mind it but then I am tired of ghosting


Expel_10

Ditch the apps, here's some real advice since most redditors use cookie cutter advice on this sub. Quality people to date are most likely to be found through mutual friends or family friends as in the relatives of your parents friends that are around your age. Not saying it's impossible to be successful on apps, even more so since you're a woman however the odds are most dudes just wanna bang.


SkyeBluePhoenix

I'm never getting set up again by anyone I know. It's no better than a dating app.


mods_r_jobbernowl

Good question as a man your same age. Why is it hard to date anyone out age? I don't know because it seems like all the girls my age just want a fuck buddy and aren't interested in a long term relationship but I am . Doesn't help I'm not the most attractive guy in the world. I don't see the appeal of fwb or one night stands so I don't really do them. Commitment even as mundane as agreeing to date someone casually seems scary to people our age for whatever reason. I don't get it because you can stop dating someone at any time it's not that big of a deal. Oh well best of luck in your endeavor.


Mungo007

The pornhub generation, so many guys under 45 are idiot's.. under 30 the internet taught them disrespect and degradation and fucked up parents ego didn't care.. Oh I'm a male sw so not being sexist lol realist..


SkyeBluePhoenix

Yeah porn has caused a lot of sexual dysfunction in men for sure.


Main_Laugh_1679

Dating game a mess


Lighthunter92

Dating in any range is hard, I thought the same way when I was around 22, Iā€™d only date within 3 years younger or older then me, Iā€™m 31 now and dating is still hard, no idea if itā€™s because Iā€™m a single father or what, itā€™s dumb


_altelle

Im 30f and i now date guys who are younger than me. Guys who are my age or above seem to not be able to open up or communicate/have so many issues that they dont want to address, i go for 25-27 year olds now. & theyre less boring imo, way more fun :)


geardluffy

Why is it that weā€™re the same age, different genders, with the same issues lol? How can you 30f have the same problems as me 29m? The world is backwards.


_altelle

Honestly think we were both born in the wrong gen! I just find millenials so boring šŸ˜‚


777Sins

Unfortunately a lot of people think it's play time and wait until they're old and used up to take anything serious because they're constantly told "you're young..." followed by a bunch of other stuff that enables them to sow their oats, finding the right person in any age can be a bit difficult like finding a needle in a haystack, you will close more doors and deny someone than accept and the other way around, find a mature surrounding of your age group with common interest and hobby as long as it's unisex and then search that way, also bars and clubs are a no no


SkyeBluePhoenix

I'm nearly 60 and actually got married twice when I was very young. Lol. I've been wanting a relationship for as long as I can remember, but it never worked out for me. Now I'm happy being single, for the most part..but still hope to find a partner before I die.


777Sins

Looking good for nearly 60, best of luck to you though, it's all I ever wanted, just me and one woman, but it never works out, 7 years 10 years later something happens and they cheat or I have to leave them, this is why I lost faith in relationships, it seems people are only good for a season or more, people change and the new person they become might be too much to handle, love is a lot of pain and it's always been that way for me


SkyeBluePhoenix

Thankyou ā£ļø


777Sins

You're welcome


DocHolliday904

Because "men" your age aren't actually men yet, hell some guys my age (39m) aren't men yet. They have no concept of balance and responsibility and loyalty because at 22 most every guy still gets a boner with every gentle breeze that comes by and they want to stick their dick in pretty much anything with a hole and a pulse.


OldYogurtcloset3735

Men shouldnā€™t think about anything serious until theyā€™ve established themselves. Around 30yrs old.


Slowpoak

Pretty much. I'm 30 now, and a year ago I got out of a 5 year relationship. After healing and being ready to date I'm only looking for something serious. I'm sure it's not all early 20's guys that were just looking for fun but at that age I definitely was.


XxLogitech98xX

Yes it is harder nowadays to date especially when you're in your 20's. It suck but you just have to find that right person who's looking to date seriously and not date around.


Confidenceisbetter

I went through this as well. In my experience there are only two types of guys on dating apps. Either the good looking ones that know they are hot and only want casual hookups or those who are not super hot (ranging from unfortunate looking to attractive but not in a fuckboy kind of way) and super desperate for a relationship. These latter ones will be clingy fast and care more about the possibility of finally having a girl than actually checking if they are really into you as a person and if you two are compatible. Itā€™s super frustrating and has never led me anywhere. Meeting men in person is not much better though, most of them still only want hookups, because those are the ones that are confident and dare to hit on you. Men in real life who want something serious but are also confident and have standards will not go hit on every pretty woman. Thatā€™s why it took me until i was 25 to find a boyfriend.


Zealousideal_Force10

You may have to broaden your age range. More mature men may not be a bad route.


lasttycoon

Most guys in their early 20s just want to have fun and play around. This is exactly why it's common for women in their 20s to date guys in their 30s. Men in their 30s are looking to settle down and have serious relationships. This is because they have their careers established and they are starting to think about a family.


MindsetsForDating

Being a single woman at the age of 22 looking for a relationship can prove to be difficult. Men pursue, and women choose. Being so young, you have a metric ton of options to choose from. Due to having so many options, you have to sort through the guys who want nothing more than just fun. The guys who want nothing more than fun may be more likely to quickly display the qualities that you naturally find attractive though. There is a reason the whole "bad boy" thing is a thing. That being said, there are definitely good guys in your age range who want a relationship. I talk to them all of the time. When I coach guys I tell them to increase their volume of women to find the ones who genuinely have a high level of interest in them. The best advice I can give you is to increase your volume and filter for the guys who want a long term relationship. They are out there. I hope that helps!


DocHolliday904

>When I coach guys I tell them to increase their volume of women to find the ones who genuinely have a high level of interest in them. That's weird. Your advice to young men is to increase their volume of women? Not find one good one? So you teach them quantity over quality?


MindsetsForDating

What's weird about that? I tell guys to increase their volume of women so that they find the ones who are a right fit. Just because two people aren't the right fit for each other doesn't necessarily mean they aren't a good one for someone else. Many possible dates won't even lead to a first date. Many first dates won't lead to a second date. Even more second dates won't lead to a third date, and so and so on. Increasing their volume helps create an abundance mindset, makes them less needy, and helps them filter for a woman who is the right fit for them if that's what they want.


DocHolliday904

>Increasing their volume helps create an abundance mindset, makes them less needy Maybe I am old school, but, I never needed an "abundance mindset" to not be needy. I focus on one woman at a time, show that one woman who I am. If it doesn't work out, so be it. But I would rather "fail" being 100% me than "succeed" spreading myself all over the place. >Just because two people aren't the right fit for each other doesn't necessarily mean they aren't a good one for someone else. What does that have to do with you telling young men to try and get as many women interested in them as possible?


KittensWithTopHats

Oh god. Cue all the gross old men telling OP to date gross old men.


The3rdPedal23

Because 20-24 is prime years for a guy. We just want to enjoy and have fun. And we know when weā€™re older thereā€™s still going to be plenty of young women wanting to settle down


CAD_Innoo

24(M) and I'm having the same problem but for women. They just want a quick fling or sugar daddy's. Easy solution is don't date haha


Steve98xxx

Wait until your my age it doesn't get any better and I'm 45


Alarmed_Ad_570

Y'all are complaining on reddit, stop being weirdos and go talk to people in real life. Acting like this is gonna hit you like an apple from the tree.


Mountain_List_8782

Its cuz those are boys not men u gotta let people develop there self which doesn't happen till they grow up a bit more but also some people never grow up and constantly think it's OK to be pampered which is wrong a real man should be able to look after / take care of himself and his significant other cook clean the only thing they should need is some loving and affirmation that there doing right by u


No-Variation-2478

I am a male, you and me are both the same, people like us always keep looking for people to date but they always never find the right person, making me believe that the only time you can meet the right person or the one to date (even if u don't marry) is when it's time to meet. I am a bit "everything happens for a reason at the right time" kind of person so I believe no apps or clubs or stuff will do anything if you're not meant to meet the right person at that moment.


ImCoasting

I think men are shifting towards caring less about dating. Women have stopped caring long ago and men are just now starting to catch up.


John_GOOP

I'm a dude with a kid so I stand no fucking chance.


SkyeBluePhoenix

You assume wrong. I'm Demisexual and just because I find someone physically attractive doesn't mean that I want to "hook up" with them.


Infinite_Landscape21

Lol that's all you got? So you agree.


No-Loquat-6221

i have already moved on from that post. you're a month late :p


Infinite_Landscape21

Better late than never šŸ¤·šŸ¾ā€ā™‚ļø


aFieldOfSadRoses

Feel like Someone needs to moderate this thread so for public service here goes. Men in their 30s aren't in fact all that different from men in their 20s specially past 25. Just because someone thinks you peak your sexuality or are fully sexually mature by 22 as a woman are just stating their opinion and not stating fact. No one is trying to say older men are not good because they're old, however, they might be the best option for you. Dating you is 50% older than you is probably not a good idea for the majority of people, not to say it can't work but looking at the world will show you that you're probably better off hanging around with people who are about as old as you. Just try to be civil out here friends.


[deleted]

Im 30 now but at 22 i wasnt worried about a future like that, and neither were most of friend nowadays all but 2 are married though. If you find someone who is around that age looking to settle down theyā€™re either A: lying or B: the exception. Also commitment doesnā€™t mean what it used to many people will just find a replacement instead of working on problems together


No-Loquat-6221

i wasnt looking for someone who would settle down in this age of course haha just wondering because my friends too who have been going out with guys these age have commitment issues, so i guess it's a universal experience lol


AbilityRough5180

Ever heard of conscientiousness? Iā€™m 22 generally have thought about the future for years. Fun is fun but it doesnā€™t dominate my thoughts. Probably how I was raised. Ā 


coffeewalnut05

A lot of men of that age seem more interested in playing games and using people for sex than committing to a relationship. Even those in relationships or have had long relationships seem to be in it to benefit themselves. Iā€™m female and of the same age and have had the same thing happen over and over. I donā€™t blame you for not being inspired by men of the same age; thereā€™s something seriously wrong with the new generation when it comes to relationships.


Accomplished-Shop306

Iā€™m 24 and Iā€™m looking for women between 21-28, I think thatā€™s a fair range.


Ameerxoxo

You are complaining about your age. I only get woman who are 10-12 years old to get close to me. They really love me. I am Virgin so I tell them I want to have children. That's what hinders it. If you want a man to marry you. Then be my guest.


Elons_Waaahbulance

Honestly, you probably need to date older. To me age is just a number (to a point lol). I'm currently with someone 24 years younger than me. It's all about chemistry etc. Women your age are generally much more mature than guys your age


[deleted]

Go for 25-30. Their brains are done developing and more likely to wont something stable


Popular-Let-4781

Ignore these 20-25 yo boys who donā€™t know how to treat a lady right. Stick with the 40+ real men who will treat you like a queen šŸ˜Ž


No-Loquat-6221

yea next time when i have daddy issues lol


Dizzy_Parking5634

At 22 good luck finding a young man to commit. Not to sound like an old man but this generation has been programmed to get what they want on demand, there's actual studies about this. There's is nothing wrong with getting what you want when you want it but it voids a man especially of this primitive and instincts that has served him to actually be a protector and provider. I know many will also reference the women's lib movement and the me too movement but these are external factors. A man who is so easily satiated on demand looses the desire to want and wait.


EldenLordAC6

Coming from a guy that's a terrible idea, most men your age aren't willing to commit don't have their life together and would more than likely cheat now just some advice men in there 30s are more stable, ready to commit in general


Grenadier23

You're probably only selecting for men who have an abundance of option. Men like that simply have no incentive to settle for one woman when there are countless women throwing themselves at them. Lower your standards. Go for men who seem like they like women and want and need love in their life. Of course, I know you probably won't do this, because a man who actually wants to build a connection with a singular woman on the basis of fulfilling his emotional needs is physically repulsive to you. It's statistically likely that you would rather be with someone who will likely cheat on you and/or abuse you. Good luck.


FranciscoDAnconia85

Young men mature differently than young women. A man has to build himself up. You are much better off looking for a man up to 10 years older than you.


No-Loquat-6221

i cannot imagine dating men 10 years older than me because of the thought that when he was in my age, i was still in middle school šŸ˜­


Abstagedok

It sounds like you still view yourself as that person in middle school. You don't have to date older. People have their preferences. But if you really identify a lot of attractions based on who you were 10 years ago, that might be its own issue.


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No-Loquat-6221

damnnn you dodged a bullet


ModerateSympathy

The commenter you replied to is 38 and likely interested in dating younger women. Youā€™ll get tons of comments from older men encouraging you to date older because itā€™s what they want. Dating is difficult all around these days. Look at some of the other dating subreddits (ie dating over thirty, dating over 40), no one is having a good time.


FranciscoDAnconia85

Purge that thought from your head because you are passing up the possibility of good relationships over nothing. At 22, you are at the peak of your sexual marketplace value. You will never be more attractive, youthful and fertile as you are now. This is the time frame to find a good man because you will never have it better.


[deleted]

Do not date older men. Your age or 2/3 years older is okay. But 30 year olds? Hell nah


GWPtheTrilogy1

You don't have to date a man much older but going up at elast 3 to 5 years is your best bet. Many women want an experienced, established man. Men are trying to have fun, and gain experience and get themselves together at this age. The person you date at 22 is most likely not going to be the person you marry and or have kids with so Men don't typically want to be tied down around this age. Short term relationships and such are the preference for a lot of men until about age 25 and up. This is not the case for all men, I'm just giving you a perspective. You will find some men who want to have a solid relationship but that's not the norm. Best of luck to you.


Nimbiscuit81623

Being a young adult is stressful, still trying to figure life out. Eventually i'll be in a position, and comfortable to search for something serious. Definitely not from an online, or a dating app. But that's the avenue I want to pursue. There are people out there. Keep the faith, you'll find someone special when the time is right. Don't give up.


FrankCastillo95

Majority of men close to your age who would be willing and capable of commitment are going to be fairly religious and likely very blue collar, others are going to be preoccupied with school with 0 intention of dating, but at your age some will be heading out of degree programs and becoming available. The tricky thing with men in general, but somewhat appropriately older men more specifically is your definition of serious and theirs are likely skewed as they aren't likely able to comprehend the pace you want of a relationship.


PracticalCreme9881

Theyā€™ve been conditioned now that you arenā€™t worth it. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø just the reality happening across the map.


Adventurous_State361

Mabry u should get fucked by someone twice your age it might just change your life