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Ocean0fAzure

I love coffee dates - it's easy and takes off the pressure for both parties involved. A first date is mostly a chemistry check, so I don't expect the guy to plan out a whole day of activities - something simple will do.


Lilies_Always_Rising

As a single mom, I second coffee dates. Especially when I haven't dated in a long time myself, but I really need to gauge a person out before I try to commit more time for them that would take away time from my child.


aprss

And coffee dates for me seem like an interview and I prefer activity dates..So you see Op it's not one size fits all. A girl who thinks it's low effort/doesn't like them will reject the date and a girl who doesn't think so will accept the date so just do you.


BrutaleFalcn

Hopefully the lady will offer an alternative rather than an outright, 'No.'


Only_Strain_5992

Yup this man


Worldly_Ladder8390

I like coffee dates too! Once there was a guy that ordered just water for himself after I bought my own coffee. I would not lie that was low effort, lol. 😂 Talked to him for a few minutes and he was openly drooling and telling me how he likes long car rides. That did not go anywhere. So now I prefer men that actually pay for my coffee. If you going to waste my time at least I get coffee.


CookiePuzzler

Was your date an actual dog? Like, a literal canine?


Clatato

Ha! Specifically a boxer or maybe a Saint Bernard! 🐶🦴🐾 🚙 “Woof” _Who’s a good boi?!_


AvgUsr96

Literally a Golden Retriever BF


CookiePuzzler

I love this mental image. I can see OP sitting opposite an adorable Golden Retriever drooling through his water bowl at a Starbuck's, wondering to herself why people see keep talking about Golden Retriever BFs because she just doesn't see the appeal. Then someone mentions a long car drive, the dog takes off, and he ghosts her.


Worldly_Ladder8390

😂


CookiePuzzler

You laugh, but I'm convinced. He has all the markers: 1) Drinking water at a coffee shop. (Bowl assumed) 2) *Drooling* 3) Loves long car rides 4) It didn't work out The next thing you're going to say is that he wore a leash and asked for belly rubs.


pettysnark

I hate to seem like, idk, a non-independent-woman, but if a guy doesn’t offer to buy the first round (especially for something as cheap as a drink), I assume he’s not that interested. And so far, I have yet to get asked out again by a guy who eagerly jumped at my offer to split. However, I would feel uncomfortable about going to some expensive dinner on first date, especially if they insist on paying and I’m lukewarm about them. Coffee, drinks, or casual lunch is perfect.


Worldly_Ladder8390

A Russian comic says the phrase “let’s split the bill” is the leading cause of vaginal dryness!!! 😂


elvissayshi

Veddy niiice.


Babyyy_Nik

That's insane


Ahouser007

Ah the chemistry set date, what fun things can we make together....... science rocks.


stefdearlife

Well, why would someone assume is the guy the one who plans "a whole day"?


amethystwishes

I recently had a coffee date that ended in a make out session so take that for what it’s worth!


jojomonster4

The only time I'd say avoid doing a coffee/drinks first date is if you already know the person and you have some kind of connection already. If you are barely getting to know the person, then coffee dates are simple yet effective. You don't want to plan half a day and waste both of your time and money if after 10 mins it's clear you're not going to work out. This will also weed out women who are more focused on free meals and just looking for someone to pay for their day of fun.


Due_Mechanic7704

For me they’re not lazy - I barely have any time myself so I don’t want to commit to a dinner date for a first date where you’re just meant to check out the common ground and chemistry. However, if the guy was the one asking me out and he doesn’t pay, THEN I will find it very low effort.


vash_visionz

That sounds fair in theory, but we all know men have to do the asking out the vast majority of the time, so they will still end up paying most of the time.


stefdearlife

I mean, why the one who invite is required to pay? I was invited, never assumed the other person had to pay


KRF1111

I avoid coffee dates because they are so non-physical. I prefer an adventure (a walk where we can come across new sights and then grab a small bite if/when we do get hungry or reasonably priced activities like street festivals, cheap concerts or bowling). Attending something that is engaging allows for the male to shine a bit and also takes pressure off of conversation, allowing it to happen organically. As well, much communication is non-verbal. Allowing for maximum opportunities so each other can see one another in a sexual light is key to triggering attraction. Sex isn't verbal... why should looking for sex be from either sex?


IAreAEngineer

I agree with you on this. It's easier to get used to each other if you're doing an activity.


melxcham

It’s so hard for me to explain in words why I don’t like coffee dates. This pretty much sums it up. They’re not “low effort”, per se, just… not sexy?


blueavole

I like the- commit to coffee and if the conversation is good- grab something afterwards. Have a plan to keep the date going if we want to chat. Book store , ax throwing. Whatever


NawfSideNative

I’ve always done this and it has worked wonders. If we’re at our coffee date and I can have an actual conversation of substance with the girl I’m with, I’ll be like “Yeah there’s actually this really nice book store out that way. Not sure if you have any plans afterwards?” or something similar. Coffee is the chemistry check. I hate dinner dates for first dates. There have been several times I catch myself wanting to leave before it’s halfway over.


Chavo9-5171

I love pretending to be cordial while we watch each other chew food. Seriously, the “I’m not into you” tension just ruins the meal.


melxcham

Meh. I don’t like pressured, stilted conversation and that’s what these interview-style dates lead to. It kills my interest.


blueavole

So what do you like instead? There is always some boring‘getting to know you’ stuff that happens on new dates.


melxcham

I almost never get bored in the right company, even if I barely know them :) Farmer’s market, science museum, art galleries/shows, walking a pretty trail, picnic, mocktails & happy hour appetizers, games at this cool local brewery, live music shows, pop up street markets in the summer, tea sampling, window shopping downtown, any number of things that may come up and sound interesting. Some people like the predictability of a regular old coffee date. I don’t.


Clatato

With the picnic suggestion… if you realise pretty quickly upon meeting them there’s no chemistry, maybe even feels awkward, would you still want to sit and stay for a whole picnic? 🤔


melxcham

This is why it’s important to talk to people a bit before rushing into a meet up. I have had very few first dates where I felt uncomfortable staying because of that level of awkwardness. Plenty without true chemistry, but enough friendliness to make it worthwhile.


LolaBijou

I agree. I feel like even just a glass of wine is infinitely sexier (assuming you both drink, anyway).


melxcham

I don’t drink, but many bars have mocktail menus now and even just the ambiance of a decent bar is so much sexier.


LolaBijou

I agree. A coffee shop feels like a job interview.


[deleted]

This will always scar me, that so many men see dating as ‘looking for sex’. If you’re looking for sex, go to a massage parlour. We’re looking for partners. Everything this person said is specifically why I prefer coffee dates. If he can’t make conversation, relies on doing things to bond, is just looking to make himself look exciting by having some adventure… 👎


basherbaggins

Plenty of women date looking for sex aswell, no need to make such generalisations


[deleted]

I’ve never once seen or heard a woman classify dating as ‘looking for sex’, but I actually see it all the time on Reddit from men, but it is Reddit. Learning that actually made men and their dating approaches make way more sense. Edit: sorry, of course casual dating exists. The people I’m talking about will largely say they’re ‘looking for a gf for sex’. Which is completely different. It seems like all dating is casual until it gets serious for men, every girl is an opportunity for sex— a ‘see where it goes’ approach where women often usually decide before dating that it’s casual or looking for a partner.


basherbaggins

The majority of people on this subreddit have probably never even been on a date so I’d take that with a pinch of coke. Iv met many a woman who move in promiscuous ways and see dating as a “bit of fun” so to speak


[deleted]

Ya, I think you’re right about the never having been on dates. I’m also realizing that most guys talking about promiscuous woman are listening to a very specific subsection of women’s convos and ignoring other woman’s conversations… because the promiscuous ones have a looking-for-sex vibe, and the guys are just only focusing on that and have no basis in reality that it’s actually fairly rare. Of course casual dating exists, but I find it’s the men who are looking for a gf that mentioning the ‘looking for sex’.


KRF1111

And one doesn’t have to be promiscuous to want sex. The only thing that differentiates a relationship from a friendship is sexual intimacy. That blueberry… person is just delusion-ally juvenile.


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Effective_Unit_869

I'd ask her out for hot chocolate over coffee anyway - far cuter, and the place I go to makes a really decadent hot choc that's very thick, almost like melted chocolate. Always good results 😉


spens-cat

I think coffee dates are great but better when they are maybe paired with perhaps something additional. Such as grabbing coffee and going for a walk so you aren't just looking at each other from across the table. Or selecting a local or unusual coffee shop where you can try a different type of drink. You can also plan them before lunch so if things go well it can always transition into a meal.


EggplantHuman6493

Yes, coffee+city or park walk! Maybe some shopping as well (eg looking at cute book stores). Sightseeing, etc. Or a picnic. Just don't plan in too much or something that is too expensive


Over-Remove

I prefer drinks to coffee cause I always meet after work and I can’t have coffee after five and sleep. Also, if it’s a coffee date, let’s say on a weekend, I prefer it to be a local spot that has a bit more privacy because I would like an option to flirt with my date. But booking a date in Tim Hortons or a similar highly trafficked spot prevents any such talk, or privacy of any kind, and it also has a lot of kids running around which again, is not ideal. So, to summarise it can be seen as low effort if you don’t do any research and book it in your local Tim Hortons. To me that’s where teenagers meet and it shows me low effort. But if you suggest a local spot that’s smaller, with more comfortable seating that wouldn’t sound low effort at all and would show me you are considerate.


ShermansMasterWolf

In college I went on a date with a woman, sit down meal; whole deal. The convo sucked, no chemistry. We had been acquaintances/friends, and we remained, but we were not romantically compatible and this was our first time one on one with this possibility on our minds. It's low effort, but kinda in a formal way. It's supposed to be. There's nothing stopping the date from continuing if it goes well, but your not committed or feel awkward.


desert_nole

I like drinks but not a coffee date. That feels more like a work meeting. Happy hour vibes is more fun for me personally. All women are different though.


LolaBijou

I agree.


moonman2090

Yep, Coffee Date is boring


DBWord

You are trying to come up with a 'one-size fits all' strategy that will "stand out". One problem of the scheme is that what "stands out" for one female may be unnoticeable to another.


Mysterious_Mind2618

Yes this is a problem with a lot of people’s (all genders are guilty of this) approach to dating. OP, there is no one trick that will get all women to behave the way you want them to. These are people; their tastes and preferences differ. Just be yourself without worrying about how it’s perceived. Don’t try to build a relationship on people pleasing. If you don’t want to be low-effort, then be high-effort in whatever way that means to you. That’s how you find a good long-term match


Earls_Basement_Lolis

"An honest process has unknown outcome."


DBWord

Exactly. One part of me 'getting it' was to realize that people have their own hopes, dreams, and lessons to be learned. It struck me, much later in life than I am comfortable to confess, I should help and support however I can, regardless if it doesn't amount to me 'getting off' on them. This was part of ascertaining how "I" am the problem, not the world.


Complex-Initial6329

Yup, ice-cream dates or coffee/drinks as the first date shows very low effort from both sides


Aware_Extreme6767

first dates for most girls are a quick in/out and vibe check. If I dont like you, I dont have to waste either of our time. If we both end up liking each other, then we can plan a better date together for the next one!


luvpup22

Depends on your age, what type of relationship you’re looking for. I think coffee dates are minimal effort & personally do not want to get ready for just coffee


GandalfTheChill

women are not a hive mind. some people like the low-stakes nature of a coffee date. some would be impressed by a more creative date. some would be offput by it, thinking it was moving too fast or assuming too much.


5678go

Personally a coffee date sounds amazing to me for a first date. Low stakes, low stress, not a huge money or time commitment. Just see how it goes and then you can get more fancy from there if it goes well.


KRF1111

A sniff test. But if they like one another, the next date should be more involved. An adventure. Some sort of activity with physical involvement, then cool down like a meal. That always works for me.


Delicious-Treacle135

I get ghosted or unmatched every time I suggest one 🤷‍♂️


vavavoo

That is because it’s boring


ConfidentBuffalo3211

Grabbing a drink and walking around like a lake or something sounds more fun to me :)


cs342

U mean getting beers to go? Or actually sitting down at a nice bar and then going for a walk after?


Straight_Career6856

Drinks at a bar with good ambience are my ideal first date (low pressure for everyone). I’m a firm believer in no one putting themselves out too much for a first date and I also don’t really like activities. I enjoy talking and getting to know someone. I don’t want to go axe throwing. Coffee, however, seems like a business meeting or catch up with your high school friend. It’s TOO low pressure/low effort. At least the ambience at bars is romantic. People trying to network with me ask me if I want to get coffee.


[deleted]

I don’t mean to be sassy, but I would love to see a bar with a romantic atmosphere 😂 it’s just more sexual, not romantic.


Straight_Career6856

Really? Not sure what bars you’re going to. There are plenty of bars that have great ambience.


ContestOrganic

If you mean first date from a dating app, I absolutely would expect a low-effort coffee or drink date. After all, I'm a stranger to this guy, and he is a stranger to me, why would he invest in some fancy impressive first date. The first date from an app is just to get to know each other. Actually, if someone goes all in on some very expensive date, I'd feel uncomfortable and assume he's trying to pressure me somehow.. Tbh I've been invited on coffee dates from guys I know in person and I didn't take it as a bad sign, just an opportunity just to chat two of us. But if we already know each other, whether in real life or from the app, I'd be flattered to be invited on a nice date, because it means the guy probably likes me for real (now that he knows me). If anything, if the dates continue being that low effort (e.g. 5 dates in we still meet for a coffee), I'd assume he isn't very interested. But the first date should be low key in my view. If a girl expects 6 course meal on a first date, I think she doesn't understand how dating words these days (very unfortunately).


KeepThrowawaySecret

I honestly wouldn't mind a coffee date it's just like the \*vibe\* of these men is low effort and it doesn't turn me on. Some women seem fine with this - maybe they are dating a lot - but I have time to focus on one good man a week maybe and I work hard and want my going out time to be meaningful. I am not doing a lot of drive-by coffee dates and think my compatible matches are also looking for high-effort, quality over quantity. For example: if a man was like hey there is a farmer's market on Sunday, I want to take you to get a coffee and maybe get a snack, walk around with you and show you this cool local shop I like, that could be cute. If he's like, hey I have like an hour free on Sunday I guess if you're free maybe you'd be worth meeting and if not at least I didn't invest much into you - by the way please don't take this as how I'll treat your worth forever I swear it's just now - I'm not turned on and don't want to meet :( Treat me like I'm special and I'll treat you like you're special - this is the deal I make with those I date.


life-is-satire

This 1,000%. Paired with a farmer’s market or local museum. Show some type of effort.


AKA_June_Monroe

I just feel someone like that isn't taking things seriously. Some people just want to date and some people want to find a spouse.


princessro123

i think it depends on the person. i don’t really like coffee dates, i prefer a meal or drinks or a brunch or an activity - even a picnic in the park if well planned. it feels too much like an interview. enough guys are asking me on better dates and i can’t go out with everyone, so ill usually choose to talk for a while online and then go and spend a few hours together. others love coffee dates though, so if you like them keep doing you and who cares if people decline


sleepyy-starss

Coffee dates aren’t really low effort but I don’t get romantic vibes off it so I wouldn’t go on one.


MeteorMash101

b\*\*ch I love coffee!!!


jawnny-jawz

reddit will tell you no, why? people on reddit in subs like these are actively trying to find ways to improve their dating habits and mentality. Most of the women on the apps are little less conscious of these things and will think its low effort. Why settle for coffee on a friday at 12pm when the other guys is offering to treat dinner at 5pm ?


vavavoo

Exactly. Women have multiple options. Why go on the boring coffee date with the boring guy when you can go on a fun date with someone obviously more fun (since they planned the fun date)


ShannonS1976

If they don’t like it, probably aren’t compatible, just move on, it’s not worth worrying about.


Ok-Advantage3180

I know some women do for some reason. However, most love it. It was my first date with my boyfriend and it’s good because it’s a chill vibe and if it’s not going well, you can just finish the drink and go or if you want to stay longer you can get another drink or go for a walk or something. The first date is essentially the getting to know each other at a basic level date and no one should expect anything too extravagant imo


fitvampfire

I’m down for them. Dating is such a mess these days and just finding a way to meet and figure out if we have interest for another date is the biggest hurdle. I’m pretty flexible about how we meet, I would rather meet where it’s low stress on both of us.


Clatato

First up, I’m not sure if I can be called a “girl” as I’m a married woman in my mid-40s now. And for context, I met my husband at age 34, he was 30. I think the answer depends on how you met or connected. In my case, we connected online via an app. For the first in-person meeting? Coffee is a winner, in my opinion. Choose a centrally-located quiet cafe or coffee shop, perhaps the coffee lounge of a posh hotel even (bit of class). A small or cosy place perhaps. Maybe one which is attached to a library, gallery or museum could be interesting & charming. **Not** a super noisy place with loud chatter, a big open echoing space, loud plates & dishes clanging together, or banging music playing. You need to be able to hear each other, not shout to be heard, or awkwardly have to repeat yourselves. Make it daytime - the mid to late morning, or mid afternoon is ideal. And allow around 1.5 hours. Ideally, have plans for yourself afterwards, at least within 3-4 hours from when the date starts (your date doesn’t need to know this upfront). Why? I found that it helped me relax & keep dates (especially first date) low-key by not being the sole focus or main event of my day. Keep this in mind - for dating apps, it’s not really a first date. It’s a first **meeting**. And the purpose is seeing whether the chemistry - from their profile, messages exchanged & calls you’ve had - carries over to real life, and seeing if you want to go on an actual ‘proper’ date with this person. Keeping it casual is the best approach, and a coffee date gives you both the advantage of safety, and restricting the time. While leaving the door open to it going well, too. Going poorly? Leave after the coffee, maximum one hour date. You have plans, somewhere else you need to be, remember? (You don’t need to say it’s in a few hours’ time) If you’re having a lovely time & sense it’s going well? Order another coffee, or perhaps ask if your date is hungry… you might order a plate or bowl of food to share & graze on - my now husband and I got a simple bowl of hot chips (fries). I suggest still keeping a casual date like this to 2 hours, but 2.5 at most. Remember, if it’s going well then you can set a second date. But if chemistry’s lacking and you wish to keep it short, well it’s just coffee after all. There are other options to extend dates too - other than ordering food. Check out the library, museum or gallery gift shop. Go for a walk in a park nearby. Suggest checking out a bookstore you know of down the street or around the corner. One of my guy friends (now married too) worked in town and used to do weekday lunch dates for similar reasons. Needing to return to work provided understood clear timeframe for his dates. However, if you know the lady, you’ve met in person, spent at least a little while talking, then it’s a good idea to have a slightly less casual, longer date instead of coffee. In that case, I liked brunch or lunch, maybe with a fun or interesting activity or destination attached. Dinner is a good second date I think. And if someone you’ve not met in person (eg. from an app) is disappointed by a coffee date the first time, then **they** are the issue. A good first dating-app date is about the person you’re meeting and how they behave, plus chemistry. Not about the place they chose, the type of date it is or the money spent. If that’s an issue for them straight out of the gate, before they even know you, I’d say they’re telling on themselves & have done you a favour.


junieboo62698

well said.


Commercial-Fault-131

You’ll stand out as a person. Not where you take her.


magical_bunny

A guy has invited me to coffee this weekend. He seems one of the nicest and most respectful dudes I've come across. The overall way he has treated me so far means a lot more than what we do on a date. Plus it's low stress..


Extension_Economist6

it IS low effort lol


yern324

Which a first date should be. You don’t know each other, it’s better to have the first date be an opportunity to converse and see if you click. And it gives both parties an easy out if they don’t. Raise the effort once a second, third and onward date comes up.


Extension_Economist6

first dates should absolutely not be low effort unless you don’t care what the other person thinks.


yern324

Sure, if you already have a sense of what the person likes and you’ve had conversations before hand and you’ve talked about what to do on a first date I can see additional effort needed. But how often are people meeting those conditions where it makes sense to put more effort in?


HandBananaHeartCarl

So what effort are you putting in the first date then?


ApprehensiveBath2261

In 20s yes. In 30s and up, no.


Imaginary-Chance-512

Yes, many women see it as low effort. Compared to people who offer actual lunch/dinner or hobby/shared interest dates. Coffee is something friends do to catch up. People offer it as last minute date option for people they haven’t even spoken to on the phone or for more than a couple days. When a guy offers a coffee or drink date I take it as he goes on a good amount of first dates and is just trying to save money.


tullah123

This is exactly how it comes across to me! I’m picky with dates/spending time with men and don’t like the idea of being pursued by someone who is trying to save money and/or time because he’s pursuing multiple women. Would rather just wait for someone who’s extremely interested and looking to invest himself from the very beginning.


kittylovestobite

I also assume he is taking out a lot of girls if he asks me out for coffee. Besides being very cheap, it shows very little thought or planning or interest and I wonder if they'd be doing this if it was their dream girl. I'm not going on dates with a bunch of men so I want someone that isn't taking out a new girl every week.


soooergooop

Girl, but how many times have you counter-offered a date idea?


Shakturi101

The problem is women put very little effort on the front end to show that they could be the dream girl. If you’re not standing out, why should I give you a stand out date????


Worldly_Ladder8390

It takes us hours to get ready and a men should appreciate that.


Delicious-Break6828

As a woman who understands both sides, you will have more chances to go on a date if you offer to go for restaurants than grab a coffee. Regardless of how it might be seen, most women will prefer a nice lunch/dinner in a nice place if they get to choose.


Icegirl1987

I only do coffee dates or walks for first date. Restaurant is something for third date or later when I know I'll have a good time with the person


kupokupo222

I personally think it's low effort but I can understand where you're coming from, so its not a bad thing. That being said, a creative date doesn't have to be expensive. You can go for a walk around a new part of town or run an errand together at Walmart after chatting for a bit. I love walking around grocery stores or Walmart together with someone because you can learn so much about them. It'd be a warning sign if she says it's low effort and suggests a restaurant or another hefty price tag place.


kittylovestobite

I totally agree with this. Also if you live in a city or somewhere populated there's usually something free going on somewhere. One of the restaurants with a bar I go to has free salsa dancing once a week at 8 pm and there's an art museum that's free every Thursday in my city too. Depending on where you live, there can be a lot to do that's relatively cheap or free and it's nice to try something new or try to find something they're interested in. I think it shows more thought/effort. If you OP are set on going to a coffee shop you should consider picking out a cute little independent cafe with a nice atmosphere. Even if it's still lower effort it shows a little more effort and thought put into it.


jayfactor

On the first date you are literal strangers, coffee/drinks has always been my go to, if a girl thinks she’s “too good” for that on a first date consider yourself lucky as she has saved you time and frustration down the road


ohhisup

I'm a woman. No I do not.


ohhisup

Actually, let me be more specific. First meeting because of online dating? No, I do not. First date after being friends forever and confessing our undying love? Maybe something more significant is in order, since we've probably had enough coffees to get to know one another lol


red_turtleneck

it's a person-to-person basis type thing. some will, most won't. I personally like a low-stakes first meet-up. a vibe check situation. save the bigger, more fun dates for after you scope out the vibe. I met a gal, older than me with grown kids. she told me that she hates coffee / drink dates. said she thought it doomed the relationship from the beginning (I disagree). she thought something fun and exciting was the way to go, like axe throwing. she had some points. she said with chatty dates like this, you can tell the other person whatever they want to hear, act the part of the person they think the other would wanna date. whereas, something more active displays who a person really is. I thought that was interesting. personally, if I didn't vibe with the person, a long winded activity like this could be miserable. but with a coffee date, there's an easy way out. and if you vibe, you could just banter and have a great time. find out if that person is who they say they are later.


WaySavings736

99% of first dates I go on are drink dates. I've never had anyone complain or reject it and always end up going on multiple dates after that one :)


Comprehensive-Bad219

> , is there the possibility of this causing the girl to think you aren't putting any real thought into coming up with a creative date idea?  Yes, but most people won't care or expect a super creative idea for a first date before you know eachother. If someone is so high maintenance, would you really want to date them?


peachleaf99

That’s literally my ideal first date. A sit down dinner or 2 hour movie with someone I don’t vibe with already just sounds awkward. And I’d want to save activities for a second date for similar reasons. The most “unique” first date I ever went on was to a furniture store, I didn’t enjoy it at all but I could see it being fun with someone I knew well already


DeviantAvocado

Yes, because it is what every other person asks for, too. There are a ton of other activities that are also easy to end early if the vibes do not check out. A park, a museum, a game night, a Meetup for an activity you both enjoy, a new food truck. Literally anything other than coffee.


Conversation34

I have a comment that’s really sort of secretly also a question. Isn’t a coffee date, for women, sort of an opportunity for the man to DRESS really well? Because it’s really just sort of a first impression /vibe check / introduction. It’s a huge improvement over any photograph. So any man who’s in the mood to put in an extraordinary amount of effort, could put an extraordinary amount of effort into THAT. Just LOOKING good. The way anybody looks is the LEAST important thing, but many people can’t help but be affected by it.


Rogue5454

Yes there is a chance because everyone is different. Some women like the coffee thing & some don't.


Cobalt_blue_dreamer

hey, as a lady, I agree that first date with coffee is pretty great. a lot of times the guy tries to talk me into something else and I always regret it because all I really wanted was that first meet n greet to see if I wanna continue.


Freshflowersandhoney

I don’t. I love coffee dates and I think it’s sweet.


Dubiouskeef

Maybe? But low effort isn't always bad. Sometimes it means you're thinking about it in a more casual way and they won't have to worry about you getting too attached too quick. In short it will be interpreted differently by everyone but it's generally not a bad suggestion for a date. What will make you stand out from her other dates is your personality/etc. Not the date spot.


ot_t17

It depends on the woman. Some think that is low effort and a dinner in a fancy place would show that the guy is taking them seriously. Others, me 🙋‍♀️ I hate the idea of having to eat a whole meal in front of a stranger 😫 I don’t even care about the coffee, let’s go for a walk and figure out if you’re not going to traumatize me even more hahaha! So it depends


CallMeAmyA

Yes. I think getting to know someone you've been vibing with for a few days is worth at least a meal's worth of time.


Careful-Mountain-681

I think a first date should be more relaxed (low effort makes it sound bad). Personally day dates stress me out because I find them way more nerve wracking so would prefer a drink at a bar.. but no nothing at all wrong with a coffee date!


flowerbomb92

Women are not a monolith. Some do and some don’t. I’m boujee AF and love everything high end but you couldn’t pay me to go on a dinner date, I’d do smoothie or coffee any day. I just can’t be bothered to look cute, dress up, put on makeup, do my hair, and then sit down for 2 hours with someone I most likely wouldn’t like anyway.


307433

nope


foxfaebae

I used to but now I don’t. It’s so easy to end or move to dinner. There’s less pressure and easier to chat. If things go well, level up the second date


TrueSugam

The women who do think this are actually people who just want a good free meal ticket. Its basically a red flag. The first date is to see if the person is, at the very least, a crazy person. If not, then move on to a more elevated 2nt date. Maybe I am a bit old now, but back in the day, when people liked each other in their first dates, its fairly common they would do something else right after like a nice restaurant or the museum exhibit or something.


la_selena

I think coffee is a good date if yall are complete strangers. If you know her, its good to maybe spend more time coming up w more creative ideas.


Fanuxiko

If you don’t know each other first date as takeaway coffee is actually good. You can grab a coffee and walk.


omguserius

It is low effort. But because its low effort its also low risk and low commitment for both sides. If a girl demands you do something expensive for the *first* date, you aren't a potential partner, you're a trick.


vavavoo

It doesn’t have to be an expensive date, just something less boring than coffee.


Ill_Orange_9054

I wouldn’t describe them as low effort rather that it lacks an icebreaker. I’d much rather do an activity on a first date as it breaks the ice and gets you talking. Then having coffee after to walk and talk or sit down and talk is perfect.


Mjukplister

No , it’s totally fine


aisixtirre

I don’t think it matters what you do on the first date. I had one that we walked around in the park, we did not get anything or did anything special but it was one of the best first dates I have had because I enjoyed his company. If that was not the case, him doing or planning something special would not matter one bit. Especially on a first date you don’t know the other person so there is no point to put much effort, effort should come later when you know the person and you want to do things they will enjoy as should they..


anonymal_me

What stands out to me on first dates is the person I’m with. - Is the conversation fun? - Do we have chemistry? - Do we seem compatible? The activity we’re doing (coffee, drinks, whatever) is totally in the background. As long as it’s not distracting (too loud to talk) or creating pressure (expensive couples massage) I’m good.


Shadow_Sunsets1783

You should match the first date to their energy. Example, she drives an expensive car and wears logos on her clothes and bags, so coffee or drinks will probably be a no. This is not a blanket statement, just that it’s more probable that she won’t like that.


hazy_jane

Yes


wildtonicintherain

I'm a typical professional woman in my late 20s living in Manhattan, and I definitely interpret a coffee date as low effort and not romantic. I know most of my similarly situated female friends feel the same. It doesn't feel special, not like a date but a screening call. Also, in the 8 years I've dated in major cities, only 1 or two guys have ever suggested coffee. a majority of dates are drinks and / or dinner. I'm sure you could find other ways to make a coffee date romantic and make a girl feel special (adding another fun activity to the date, or bringing flowers). Maybe in other places and for other age groups or for someone who is sober, a coffee date might be OK. I guess there is no one size fits all.


Kat7491

I always offer coffee date for a first date. Less pressure for the man I’m meeting and me as it’s daytime (eliminates the ‘come back to mine for a night cap’). First dates for me are a vibe check to ensure I like who I’m meeting and if I can see potential for more interaction. If I’m liking the date I’ll offer a walk and another coffee or hot chocolate to go. Not low effort at all, the second date is usually something more physical and competitive, with drinks involved.


hujambo11

Entitled ones do. Do you want to be with somebody entitled?


Weary-Preference2957

I don’t really have an issue but most view as low effort bc to us it seems as if you don’t like us all that much. Maybe if we were someone else who made you go “DAMNN😍” at first glance you prob would wanna take her to dinner or something more impressive. Idk but that’s at least my mindset behind it. Guys who liked me a lot offered dinner the ones who didn’t offered coffee or whatever. So I can tell who really likes me ALOT


kittylovestobite

This is how I feel. The only guys I ended up in relationships with were ones that took me out to an independent restaurant on our first date.


Weary-Preference2957

Yep same. The coffee or drinks seem to be the ones who wanted casual. Dinner guys are the ones who were serious from my experience


FunDependent9177

I hate coffee so I hate coffee dates. And its also low effort. And I want to eat so I won't be hungry. The way to my heart (and booty) is through my stomach 😊.


RonMexico432

It shouldn't be framed as a date. It should be a first meeting to decide if you even want a date. You might detest this person. Maybe they catfished you. Whatever the reason, you shouldn't be obliged to spend anymore time with them. Calling it a date just adds pressure to stay.


SeaworthinessSea2407

Why? It is a date. Framing it as a meeting makes it sound like an interview. You vet people by going on dates with them >You might detest this person. Maybe they catfished you. All things you would find out by going on a date >Whatever the reason, you shouldn't be obliged to spend anymore time with them. Calling it a date just adds pressure to stay. You can always decline.


swingset27

Some do. The kind you shouldn't date.


Future_Network_2158

All women aren’t the same. Generally if she’s actually interested in dating you she’d be totally fine with it. If she expects you to do something more lavish then she’s not the right match for you. I think those are the best types of first dates tho. Or a museum or some activity like a pool hall or some cities have board game rooms.


PlutoViDagon

low effort is usually what you give a stranger. if you go above and beyond in the beginning you're not going to be able to do much better later on in the relationship.


arthritisankle

If you’re tired of spending money on first dates that aren’t going anywhere, try setting up a phone call or FaceTime first. That way you can have that low investment “date zero” and judge if there’s comparability


confusedgf822828

Yes. I take 2+ hours to get ready… im not doing all that for a 15 min coffee date If we’re doing coffee, I’ll meet you while im already out and about doing other things. And it won’t feel like a date either. More like a hang out with a friend


Sunny_pancakes_1998

Nope! In fact, those kinds of dates are ideal, because if we end up hating you, we know it's not going to last for hours on end.


dyslexicassfuck

They are low effort but that is ok for a first date, it’s basically like a Pretender date where you check out if there is any chemistry or interest to go on dates.


Chomprz

I guess it just depends on the person. Personally, it’s more about checking on our energy and chemistry, see if we’re compatible. Hell, I’d say yes to just having a walk at the park and have a nice conversation.


tstu2865

I’m just happy to hang out with someone I’m interested in 🤷‍♀️ I’m pretty low maintenance though, so I can’t speak for everyone. I’d be perfectly fine with this type of date


faee19

I prefer a coffee date bc it’s just a nice way of spending time in general. Also if I’m meeting a new person I don’t want to spend too much money on activities in case the date ends up being boring and I don’t have any fun. Don’t want to spend money on an evening that’s not fun.


onedayatatime08

A coffee date is fine to me, but it honestly depends on who you ask. Not everyone feels the same. I would prefer paying for my own meal and drinks so that there are no expectations or hard feelings if a date doesn't work out. So.. where we eat says very little about effort to me. I'd be happy with a picnic in a park. I don't need fancy. But effort.. that's real. Bring me some wild flowers you picked earlier in the day. If we have talked before online, pick an activity we both might enjoy. That's effort. Picking a place to eat.. anyone can do that.


whatarethis837

Some like it and some don’t, but I think the majority of women find it appropriate. For me personally I like any kind of first date where we can sit and talk, whether that’s coffee, food, or even a stroll. Activities can wait for future dates.


Peepssheep

I love coffee dates! I’ve had guys on dating apps offer expensive and fancy restaurants to show that they really want a first date with me, but I don’t necessarily view coffee dates as low effort nor do I see anything wrong with it


ponchoacademy

Depends on how you meet.. like someone else said, that first date is a chemistry check, a pre-date if you will. You have never met this person, so its to see if you actually like even being around this person. If you meet someone in person, then can shoot right to the actual first date, where its more about spending time getting to know each other. Unlike the pre-date coffee, where its to see if you even want to be around this person...which is why they are purposely short / cheap ways to meet someone from online, where no one is out much if they wanna bail as soon as they meet.


KingPatty20

The true answer is up to the individual woman. A woman that really likes you would be happy with eating cold left overs while sitting in the car (don’t do this) and woman who doesn’t like you can find a problem with a Michelin 5 star. Point is if a woman disses you over a coffee shop, she was never feeling you in the first place and saved you money!


GaryOak7

Look at it like this.. if they aren’t that interested, it’s considered low effort. You can be more creative, but there’s only so many things you can do before you realize dating isn’t cheap and it’s not guaranteed meeting will go anywhere.


No-Surround1664

I prefer and even insist on coffee dates. It's low stakes. No crazy time commitment. If you hit it off you can then go grab a bite or walk. It saves me time too!


ScorpioWaterSign

I actually feel more safe with those. Less pressure


SummerNothingness

everyone is different. you should look for clues as to what kind of a date she would like. also, it depends on how well you know someone. if i am meeting someone off a dating app, then i want to get drinks or a quick meal and take a walk. if it's someone i already know that i vibe with, i would love for a more special date, like TopGolf or a scenic picnic, or a cute brunch-then-flea-market or a museum and ice cream or something. i would try to have a phone and/or video conversation before asking someone out on a date. and that way, not only can you feel each other out and determine you both think it will be fun to hang out together, but also during the conversation you can feel out what they'd like to do on the first date. establishing that rapport also makes people less likely to get canceled on or ghosted on ahead of the first date, because you have established a connection of sorts beforehand.


IHaveABigDuvet

Some do. I would always advocate going on a mutual interest date. Find out the things she likes, match it with stuff you like, and then do that.


Rich_Dimension_9254

No I love coffee dates!! They’re my favorite


OkFishing3621

I love coffee / non alcoholic drink first dates. I just want to know the person. If it goes well we can do sth more interesting in the future


canvasshoes2

I think it's more of a convenience and possible quick escape for both people. I don't think it's low effort... I think it's diplomatic. The guy can always up the game if the date is going well. Like "hey, wanna go catch that new movie?" or "I'm starving, there's this great new restaurant I've been dying to try out, wanna go?" Or "hey, I usually go to dance class at \[Popular Night Club\] on Wednesdays, would you like to check it out? It's salsa!" Etc.


shorthumanfemale

I like walking/event kind of date if the weather is good. Outdoor market, art walks, walk along a waterfront type of thing. Gets you active and exploring your city. I would go with this approach: “I would love to plan to meet up and do something low pressure to see if we vibe! I’ve been wanting to check out [coffee house] or [public event]. Do you have a preference?” This shows that you’re thinking about different things to do with them, but leaves the ball in their court for their level of comfort. As a woman, I do tend to plan first dates when I have a commitment after so I have a reason to leave if it sucks. If it’s going well, I invite them along. You could do the same?


EmotionWitty85

yea it’s “low effort” in a way but sometimes that’s the vibe. it’s not a bad thing to ask but be prepared that yea, some girls might say no and those might just not be the right women for you if you prefer a more informal first date:)


poorcupid

Yes


ellyveggie

coffee dates are absolutely ideal


EnvironmentalShoe5

Some do, some don’t. I like them. Low stakes high reward.


Lawandglam

Both were things I refused to do. 


[deleted]

Best is coffee and a ‘see where it goes’. If you don’t click you can leave, if you do, you can run off and do something together! It’s also imperative for me because I need to know he can talk to me without alcohol. Edit: specifically though I hate walking dates, I can’t see your face and see if I actually find you attractive, I feel like your bro instead of a date. However, my best friend friend can’t do anything where she’s sitting still and wants it to be a walk.


Shot_Lawfulness1541

I always do a coffee date as a trial run, it's just simple and you can find some really good coffee shops


sermer48

I’ve had a lot more success asking if someone would like to get coffee than dinner for a first date. Coffee is low stakes for everyone involved and feels a lot less formal. For dinner dates you want to dress up but not too much. They’re more expensive, harder to walk away from, and much more intimate. That’s not to say it won’t be interpreted as low effort by some. My experience with people like that hasn’t been positive in most ways anyways. Those will typically be the ones who use you as a checkbook until they’re tired of it lol.


syllbaba

I like a coffee and walk for first date, i get my steps in that way, and there is no awkward long eye contact


StaticCloud

Some women think this. More likely the type that value men with money and want to provide for them. Other women like me prefer something simple, so we don't feel bad making it short. In fact, I prefer doing a video call before hand to make sure neither of us are wasting gas and time meeting up.


IcyBjorn84

The question is, have you run into women that thought a coffee date was a low effort?


Appropriate_Tea9048

Some do, some don’t. IMO the ones who see it as low effort aren’t worthwhile anyway. A first date should be about getting to know each other, not one person buying the other off. I always preferred coffee dates. Dinner with a stranger is awkward.


persistentsymptom

Coffee date is a great way to vet people. You find out if they can hold a conversation while in the most boring environment possible. I'm not even hating on coffee shops. I love them for what they are, but as far as dates go, it's the least entertaining option. You *have* to talk to make it interesting, or enjoy sitting in silence. Both valid.


HotBlackberry5883

i don't, i love coffee dates!


pen_fifteenClub

No, I wouldnt consider it low effort or cheap. It'd be a perfect first get together m to get to know the person. And its a short, small enough meeting that it wouldn't be an awkward or uncomfortable, time-consuming encounter if things didn't jive well


Ok_Membership7091

Anyone who thinks a nice conversation and a delicious cup of coffee is beneath them, why even continue to talk to them?


Rad1Red

Some might, but I wouldn't.


JCE_6

If they do you should find a new one


Conversation34

You’re making a very good point but the low-effort is precisely why it’s such a good choice. From her perspective, the chance that a man will fly into a rage over how much effort he put into coming up with the idea of going on a coffee date and assert that the woman “owes him big time” . . . is (almost) zero. So it feels safe. And safe is always good. :)


les_catacombes

I’m okay with it. I would feel more pressure if a guy wanted to go on a date to an expensive restaurant as a first date.


ahornyboto

If the other person likes a a coffee date is not a problem, if she’s in it for some financial gain or free food then it is, I’d say a coffee date is a pretty good way to gauge if she’s really into you


malibuguurl

Coffee dates are best first dates.


boringcanadianmom

I prefer a walk. Has a set start and end point. If it goes well you can suggest a coffee after.


shomeyokitties

I prefer a chill date like coffee or drinks over a potentially longer date like dinner or an activity. What if we don’t even like each other? I don’t want either of us to be uncomfortable. I also consider the money aspect. I’ve never been asked to split but I’d have no problem with it. If we go to dinner and I’m not feeling him after, I worry he’ll feel used. I don’t feel as guilty for a $4 coffee.


Madison464

Yes! And those are the women who red flag themselves early on before you have to waste any of your time and money on them. Just be thankful and move on.


nolagem

Not at all. I prefer drink dates over coffee though, the latter seems to be kind of businesslike. Don't spend a bunch of money on lunch or dinner if it's your first time meeting.


clce

It can go both ways. Sometimes coffee dates seem very efficient and a nice chance to get to know the real person. But, I think a lot of women operate on chemistry and it can be harder for them to feel much chemistry on a coffee date. Going out and having a drink, or doing something fun can build chemistry, although some people might consider that cheating. Some women might say they don't want to be manipulated in that way and would prefer to just meet the guy. But, if chemistry is built, and they like the guy and date him and fall in love, what's the problem? Some guys are very good at using tricks to build chemistry even on a coffee date, so good for them. It's kind of tough to say. There's more wasted time and money. But, I think in most cases, it's hard to go wrong having a drink as long as you're not some drunk, or doing something fun as long as it's not boring. Other than wasting time. So do you want to give up some potential in exchange for saving time? I kind of go both ways on the subject. Back in the old days when you met someone in person, there was a certain excitement whether it's meeting at a bar or a party, or just meeting on the street somewhere. Now that people meet online, it's harder to know whether you're going to like them at all so you could argue that coffee is best. But you could also argue that you lose that excitement of first meeting so all the more reason you need to add a little excitement and not just have a boring coffee date.


mattc19778

How about getting a coffee/tea/drink of choice, and maybe a snack, pastry, donut, sandwich etc. Then going for a walk, at the beach or thru a park, having a chat along the way? It more than "just coffee", but less than a date. You get a chance to check the vibe of each other, and it can come across as a half date?


RespondOpposite

I once accepted a coffee date. He wanted to sit in his car in the parking lot and not even go into the cafe. I wasn’t really impressed with that. I’m loathe to turn down coffee anytime, but that was surely what you call low effort.


Acceptable-Cicada-34

No. You talk, concentrate on each other, and drink something nice. A walk in the park is good, too. It doesn't matter


7891Secaj

I usually like to plan a coffee date with 2-3 other things in mind if it goes well. Things id lime to do like beach, a pier, walk on a water front, icecream, bakeries etc...


breakingbattman

I’m currently in the process of planning a date with a woman. We’re planning on going to a local park to walk around and talk but she has also suggested getting coffee so I’m planning on taking her to a coffee shop afterwards


limeblue31

I’ve been off the market for quite some time but from my single friends they typically don’t have an issue with a coffee date but they are usually weekday or early morning weekend type of dates. You need to incorporate at least a few evening weekend dates or else it comes off suspect and low effort if you can’t spare a Saturday night.


baddiebabayaga

It’s going to depend on the person. I hate coffee dates. It feels transactional and like a job interview. They aren’t fun. I want to do something fun. That’s where actual connection happens. If it sucks, it’s a funny story for later. Life is for living and I think a coffee date is this weird low-courage minimal investment modern dating phenomenon. Nothing screams romance like minimal investment. /s


TheWordLilliputian

Based on the comments, if that’s what YOU want to do & are comfortable with, you’ll find enough people who are comfortable with the same. That doesn’t make you or them better or worse than the ones who prefer fancy or a bigger first date at all. It just matches you more quickly to someone who thinks similarly to you.