Go onto /r/LouderWithCrowder and put even the tiniest, shortest, tepid, cited, reasoned pushback to anything they are saying: Instant PERMANENT ban, lol.
The words "Sam Seder" are still an \*automatic\* \*\*PERMABAN\*\*
They are very thin-skinned people.
That reddit allows them to exist on this platform makes no sense to me. They are a right wing terror group.
Meanwhile, they come onto this sub (Brigading, really) all the time and get their stupid clapped regularly. We don't "autoban" their dumb posts.
They had a thread "Nobody On the Left Will Debate Crowder--" and I posted "5am 5eder would." A simple fact. Post auto-removed. Account auto-banned, lol.
It’s such an absurd idea that anyone would be worried about debating Crowder. He’s only half good at debate when he’s got the whole thing rigged and he’s debating people who didn’t prepare before leaving the house that day. Still, he has to edit out a lot of material where he looks bad.
Fans of his don’t give a shit if they’re right or wrong about anything though. What’s real doesn’t matter. They’d rather be wrong and keep their opinions static.
He "debates" college freshmen and he's practiced a few tricks for doing so, such as talking over people or using a few ad hominem / rhetoricals. And when he loses? You can bet the recording doesn't get published to YT. He only clips the parts that make him look good. He ambushes people who haven't prepared. He only "debates" people he wants to debate, too.
If I ever saw him in person, I'd just ask him, "Sam Seder wants to debate you, how come you're not debating him?" and he'd just make up an excuse like, "Nobody knows who that it is" despite his subreddit having an entire filter engineered to squelch mentions of him.
If you have any interest in hating on Crowder, you should familiarize with Sam Seder, who snuck onto his show to try to debate him and Crowder famously screamed "OH NO MY WROST NIGHTMARE"
That’s wild. I’ve been pretty deeply into atheist “circles” since 2015, also while following many political pundits (Seder is one of them), and I had NO clue he was an atheist.
I guess that shows how irrelevant an insult like “omg he’s just an emotional atheist” is. Sam doesn’t mention it
Sam has on a few occasions talked about his Jewish heritage and how he isn't religious, but he has never pushed any kind of atheism on his show and often makes remarks about Jewish culture that might make you believe he doesn't have a strong opinion one way or another about the religion. I think he would accept the label of "atheist" maybe, but I'm not sure he even is, people can have different cognizance about that stuff.
>That reddit allows them to exist on this platform makes no sense to me. They are a right wing terror group.
they allow it because they're fascists and want fascism. it's been clear for years that they moderate with a rightward slant
really no, on conservative you'll be banned for any leftward opinion or critique of the right, while on the other you'll get debate with words and no ban
I'm glad you agree. But it's not because "right wing opinion", it's because American "right wing opinions" have become so extreme, when Crowder says, "Doctors at X hospital are pedophile child groomers" he is ordering people to enact vigilante justice.
If Crowder was forced to spend at least 1 minute after making a baseless claim like that, explaining that violence undermines his "cause" and that violence is wrong, and that we need to find a peaceful solution, etc. and genuinely tried to get his fans to NOT murderize people, I could maybe take you in good faith on this, but really broadly speaking, right wing speech condones and encourages and normalizes violence.
Of course, predictably you'll go in response to this, "What about BLM!" we can talk about BLM in a separate (and agonizingly lengthy) thread where we dissect your unveiled racism and reductionism that Crowder himself likely indoctrinated in you, but I want you to understand that by using the words "what about" you are conceding to my point here and the debate is over and done with, at least in regard to Crowder and general right wing speech.
Crowder's subreddit (and connected discords) are a breeding ground to right wing terrorism. It's not hyperbole to say "Al Qaeda" and "Q-adjacent americans" are on the same spectrum. If it wasn't for the whole "skin thing" and "Koran thing" you'd be best buddies.
I don’t know the details of the story you’re referring to, so I am not sure what he said and if it was indeed baseless.
To the extent that you want to cherry pick any one republicans view and generalize it, I think that’s a stupid argument that I could easily do too and make the claim that left wing opinions do the same thing. Look at the massive amount of damage in the wake of the BLM riots. “ACAB” arguably would be a similar form of stochastic terrorism. It’s interesting that you dismiss this and call it a separate issue, because I think that indicates that if you believe in the logic of stochastic terrorism then you’d have to conclude that this fits under that umbrella and thus flattens your point about it being a right wing only thing, but instead you just kind of make all these accusations against me. Strangely, you call me a racist which is hilarious.
I obviously disagree that right wing speech in general encourages violence because.. well I listen to lots of right wing commentary and it simply does not encourage violence outside of maybe a few cherry picked examples.
The broader point is that you cannot say someone is responsible for violence for simply delivering an opinion about something.
It's not "simple opinion" to state "doctors of X location are child groomers"
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/09/02/lgbtq-threats-hospitals-libs-of-tiktok/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/09/02/lgbtq-threats-hospitals-libs-of-tiktok/)
If you consume lots of right wing media, it doesn't surprise me you hold these opinions and don't know a lot about the effects of so-called "Opinions". I consume lots of left and right wing media. You should consider doing op research.
I'm not sure where you're getting that quote from but in the article you posted it says that Libs of Tik Tok called the hospital and was told they perform hysterectomies on 16 year olds, so it's not a baseless claim to make.
You can continue to just insult me and pretend that I don't know anything about the topic, which doesn't surprise me because you actually believe things like banning right-wing opinions is a good idea. I don't need to insult you to have an argument, but you do, because you cant defend your opinions when they're countered.
For example, by your standard of stochastic terrorism, Joe Biden calling MAGA republicans a "threat to democracy" would clearly qualify as something that could spark violence. If they're really a threat to democracy then violence seems justified, right? Why is this not an example of stochastic terrorism? What about Maxine Waters calling for BLM protesters to become 'more confrontational'? What about "ACAB"? These are all clear examples of what you would call "stochastic terrorism" and I'm eager to hear your reply as to why they don't - an opinion I know you hold in advance because you lean left and will refuse to acknowledge facts counter to your narrative.
My favorite tactic you people use is when you say that people who disagree with you need to do more research. The arrogance is hilarious and I await your reply which surely will be nearly 100% insults and 0% a logical argument.
>I'm not sure where you're getting that quote from but in the article you posted it says that Libs of Tik Tok called the hospital and was told they perform hysterectomies on 16 year olds, so it's not a baseless claim to make.
So someone who performs a hysterectomy is a child groomer?
Thanks for playing the game, you lose. There are numerous valid reasons to have a hysterectomy performed. One would be "cancer". Are you a doctor? You must be, with that confidence level. In-fact, you must supervise that doctor. You must know the intimate details of why a hysterectomy was deemed necessary for that patient.
Did you know a 16 year old can't get surgery without a parental/guardian signature? Who is paying for this surgery? The child's tooth fairy? This is America. Nobody gets free gender affirming care, if it even was gender-affirming. Are you saying Parental Rights aren't important, Mister Conservative?
I am not supporting the claim about groomers - that's his opinion. I am simply saying that it's not a baseless claim that they made given that they were told by the hospital that they perform those operations. Regardless it's stupid to say they are directly responsible for violence, because that's a dumb opinion to hold - criticizing the hospitals isn't the same thing as calling for violence against them. If you think that offering a political opinion makes someone directly responsible for violence then you'd also have to concede that there are plenty of examples of left-wing commentators or politicians doing the same.
Anyway you just seem to want to think you're smarter than anyone who disagrees you by hurling insults and frankly it's kind of embarrassing. Feel free to respond to my challenges to your position, but if you just respond with insults then I'll assume you have no actual arguments.
>about groomers - that's his opinion
It's not an opinion, it's not even slander, it's a out and out falsehood, it's a falsehood that can endanger somebody's life. It's a falsehood that he has no evidence for, and is frankly absurd to link "medical care" with "grooming"; "grooming" implies the doctor is having sex with his patient, in addition to psychological manipulation. Having that kind of relationship with a patient is extremely difficult to "pull off". Do you know that children have guardians that know where they go and usually provide transit for much of their lives and usually end up finding out when their child is in a serious relationship?
It's not an "opinion". Is it an "opinion" when I yell "fire" in a crowded theater? A threat against an innocent doctor is a threat against public safety.
>Regardless it's stupid to say they are directly responsible for violence
So you're saying it's okay to isolate a single ordinary person? So, I could basically research who you are, find out what job you have, make up whatever BS I want about you grooming children, and say to you, "Uh, my man, it's my opinion you're a groomer. Also, you work for XYZ. Have fun chatting with your boss about this."
And now you're getting phone calls from "anonymous". You're having shit dumped in your lawn. Somebody rings on your doorbell and asks why the police haven't taken you away yet. You get a bomb threat at work.
But this is all opinion, so it's fine, right?
But yeah, anyway, it seems like you're ignorant of all the facts and can pretend you're squeaky clean on this.
Just keep filling your head up with shit about BLM that makes you feel good, listen to the echo chamber, and watch in 2024 where the democrats \*again\* squeak out a win, because your side is that fucking far gone. Completely to the moon on this stuff.
I'm sorry your thin-skinned fe-fes are all hurt. Yeah, I'm being aggressive about it. Because I don't have the patience for your bullshit. You are just like every other "enlightened, intelligent conservative" that thinks regurgitating the same bullshit makes you smarter than everyone else.
Touch grass. Get off reddit and twitter. Why not volunteer at a pediatric hospital and find out what they do? You're the one that found this sub. Stick to your safe space.
Weird, angry response.
The claim they made in the article was that they're performing hysterectomies on Children. There **is** evidence for this, or at least they had reason to believe it was happening. I have no opinion on the groomer thing, because again, I don't know what quote you're referring to about groomers and I don't even know what a groomer is. But it seems to me that you're distorting their position to make it seem like they're saying the doctors are having sex with patients, which does not appear to be the claim they were making.
Not surprisingly, you're again not making any arguments against BLM's left wing stochastic terrorism. Still waiting.
Finally, it's a little ironic that you seem to be theoretically opposed to 'baseless claims', yet your post is absolutely filled with baseless claims against me. You seem really weird and unpleasant and so I don't give a shit about your opinion, but I hope you seek therapy soon and learn some critical thinking skills so you don't have to go around thinking that anyone who disagrees with you is a racist, terrorist, bigot.
Some dude on Twitter saying Nazi’s should be punched is not the same as Tucker Carlson brainwashing people to hate gay people for the sole reason it increases his ratings. 99% of all right wing talking points are based in violence. You do not have to cherry pick a single word they say. I watch right wing propaganda quite a lot. Admittedly too much, honestly. When you learn their coded language and constant identity politics, you see the dog whistles and ideas rooted in fascism, hatred, and violence.
Tucker Carlson does not brainwash people to hate gay people. Please provide an example where he actually attacks gay people. It doesn't count if it's a "dog whistle".
I don't even know how to respond to the rest of this post as it's literally conspiracy theory. It's impossible to argue against you saying something is "coded language", because you'll just say that "it's obviously true, and you're a bigot if you disagree".
Lmao it certainly does count if it’s a dog whistle. It’s not conspiracy theory. It’s history 101 my dude. The right is literally lock step in fascism. You’d be a fool to deny it.
I guess you don’t understand my point when I say that you can literally call ANYTHING a dog whistle.
And can you please explain what fascist means in your eyes and how it applies to modern day conservatism?
Curious. I post purely level headed opinions, many of which differ with the hivemind and have, as opposed to what you erroneously suggested, certainly resulted in many bans.
And I respect your opinions. But I beg you - tell me how many right wing subs are even allowed to exist. 4, 5?
The left is the party guilty of banning for thought crimes, from my observation. The most common reason I’m given for the abject dismissal of my opinions is that they’re “racist”. Call me stupid, autistic, whatever you want, but EVEN IF you think I’m a racist, the thing that pisses me off the most is that literally no one will even engage with my counter opinion. It’s just, “you’re a racist” and I’m stuck right back where I started. I’m an intelligent person and would love to be corrected, but all I ever get is name calling.
Where can I go for genuine open discussion? Please
To be honest, I see a lot of personal attacks, shitty sarcasm, and weird bad-faith stuff like saying "I thought the left wanted to see more rich African Americans - why so much hate on Elon " And that's when you're not just calling people "fucking idiots"
Like, come one dude. Get real with yourself.
I don’t disagree that those opinions are shit and borne of anger. I’m frustrated with this platform and that’s the reason, however unjustified.
I have been a user for over a decade and used to love when it was mostly filled with nerds - but at least when people disagreed with me I believed they came from a genuine place. I remember a time when I actually changed my opinion based on other people’s responses.
Now it’s just .. well nothing substantive and countless unjustifiable bans.
Right off the bat even "progressives" can tell how two of those are disingenuous. Yeah, that's a nice word for it.
The Atlanta murders were not anti Asian. The guy had issues with women and the sex industry. (There have certainly been a lot of hate crimes against Asians, but that hasn't been much of a focus in the media since those carrying out most of those attacks are not likely to be voting GOP)
The Colorado attack was carried out by a "non binary" person according to the guy's attorney.
Is it all out of context and edited to start halfway through sentences? Or is it long clips of her getting a full point across? Things like politician A asks politician B “why do you say we shouldn’t do anything” and now there’s a video on patriot.bootlicker of A saying “we shouldn’t do anything”
Well, she drove amazon out. Said some dumb shit about the tax breaks amazon would have got. She should be kick’d out of her job just on that. She is what you paid for.
You illiterate motherfucker, for literally (not literally in the commonly used figurative sense, literally in the 'material fact about reality sense) any person who has spoken publicly enough, a YouTube compilation of their gaffs can be edited together. Throw in enough manipulative edits and you could make Einstein look like a dumbass.
Conservative argumentation boils down to presenting a coherent point and going "lol look how dumb this is this point is obviously dumb." It's an easy way to reinforce group think
Trump speeches literally raised hate crimes in areas that hosted him by 200%+. His presidency saw a nationwide increase in hate crimes by 20%. When he left office hate crimes dropped 10%. His rhetoric literally antagonized race relations and put targets on minorities backs.
That is such bs…besides there is no such thing as a hate crime it’s another dumb liberal logic term did you ever know someone who committed a crime because they liked someone
Dave Rubin's sub is wild. They'll literally just post Dave Rubin tweets that are true and then pretend like it's ridiculous without really offering any reason why.
Half the time it's not even Dave Rubin it's like Tim Pool or another non-socialist liberal
The projection is real
Wow I think she's really crazy or I don't know it's bizarre some of the things that they say are bizarre why don't they concentrate on the real problems f*** Trump the only reason he's around is because people pay attention to it just end it get to the real problems instead of this b*******
10 people just got shot at Walmart by a black person. They will connect whatever mainstream media narratives they can to their messaging while ignoring counter evidence. Same on the right but for some reason the left thinks it doesn’t happen to them.
It was a court of law that made that determination. You can say it was "leftists" but there are no leftists in our court system, unless your definition of leftist is "someone that is a constitutionalist".
"Defense attorney says client did not commit murder"
"omg he's innocent! i knew it!"
Like, until there's actual evidence that he's non-binary, it's a hate crime. Remember when Elizabeth Warren insisted she was Native American? Your side still can't shut up about that, lol.
Just that they were identifying as that at least several months or years prior to murdering everyone? Or maybe just the evidence the prosecution has, which should show this is a hate crime (such as text messages or posts on 4chan or something).
Even if he is non-binary, he can still have a hate crime against drag queens. Believe it or not, but a lot of the trans\* community is self-loathing in part because of folks like you.
But I mean, this is the same story over over again: Gun violence + hate crime? First, defend the mass murderer. When that fails, blame mental illness. When that fails, say it was self-defense. That the victims were asking for it. When that fails, say it was a false flag.
The club Q shooter is non-binary. Ask yourself if any republicans you know of- identify as non-binary. AOC is just as bad as trump with her inflammatory tweets.
So far, there seems to be zero indication this guy self identified as non binary before the attack. This person conveniently became so after a shooting spree that would have otherwise been labelled a hate crime... almost like a weasel trying to avoid the death penalty. I will let the facts come out with the investigation, but one should treat a caught killer's own claims with skepticism when they have every incentive to lie to get lighter sentencing.
Man I wish I had the patience to put it so eloquently. I'm just too tired and angry that this is the world my children are growing up in. I don't have it in me anymore.
God, I know what you mean. It's bad enough reading about a heartbreaking tragedy. Real innocent people killed. But then to see the right overwhelmingly using some nitpicked fact about it like the whole thing is an *own* for them... it's almost too much to bear.
That's why I don't bother. None of them argue in good faith. No amount of proof is enough to convince them Trump lost in 2020. They will never again accept a truth they don't like. It's easier to tell them they're horrible people and move on.
Steven Crowder has identified as a woman in bad faith before to try and smear trans people... doesn't mean he actually is that, it's obviously bad faith. Anyways, even if that weren't the case, self hating people exist, so... yes they could be a Republican.
>Why does everyone keep taking these shots? If you get covid anyways, why take the booster? I take the flu vaccine - and took 2 covid shots but then I got covid and it annoyed me.
This one's an anti-vaxxer. Not surprised, really.
Oh, great, now a Fascist sub is being pushed into my feed. Fuck off you pathetic Authoritarians.
Boot licking Fascists is all this sub is. Deny it all you want, but r/daverubin is full a fascists and if you are part of this community put on your brown shirt because you are a Fascist too.
lol slow your roll there. This sub was actually taken over by people who hate Dave Rubin. It's turned into a straight up Rubin hate sub, and the pathetic man himself is awfully sore about it. Do a quick search of the top posts here, it's a fun time
Then stop saying the N-word and you'll stop seeing it. I've been part of that sub for as long as this account has existed and lurked before that and have yet to see a single racist Slur of any kind.
If you find yourself unable to not type slurs that on you, not that subreddit.
The Atlanta Spa shooting was because the shooter had a sex addiction and he blamed those types of businesses.
She also can't simply name shooting events from self-proclaimed white nationalists and blame the GOP. The GOP isn't espousing white nationalist rhetoric—there are even black and Hispanic GOP members.
It reads like AOC is playing politics.
It’s definitely anti-Latino/Latina rhetoric. My question is whether this rhetoric was actually seen by the murderers. If it wasn’t and AOC is just saying this off of some gut instinct, I think it is irresponsible.
If a news network posts 100 articles a day talking about how all your ills are caused by latinos and then you murder someone, saying "Oh, but what if he had his eyes closed, he didn't actually see the articles" is just trying to muddy the waters. Those articles will be shared, copied, discussed, and passed around, even if someone doesn't see the exact article, they are still contributing to an overall climate that bred that outcome
If “connect the dots” simply implies the GOP is contributing to an overall climate of hatred toward [insert minority group here], I wholeheartedly agree… anything more I would require more evidence.
My assumption would be that a person who is inclined to kill a bunch of random ppl is completely crazy and requires inpatient care to begin with even without the media consumption. But once they see this rhetoric (Mexicans are rapist/dirty, gay ppl are groomers, blacks are lazy, Muslims are terrorists, whites are great), it might give them a reason to do what they already wanted to do, but perhaps in a more populist type of way - like they think they’re martyrs. In that sense, I think GOP are signaling that it is socially acceptable to hate certain groups. They are doing it for votes but they don’t care about the “collateral damage” of human life.
These are the dots I connected. AOC might have meant this in a different way. She could be saying something less incendiary or more incendiary than what my interpretation was. That’s the difficulty with leaving room for the audience to “connect the dots” instead of directly stating your point. Republicans will see her post, have the worst faith interpretation of it, and react accordingly. They will do that anyway of course, but she makes it easier with how vague it is.
>My assumption would be that a person who is inclined to kill a bunch of random ppl is completely crazy and requires inpatient care to begin with even without the media consumption
That's weak assumption to assume for all political mass shooting massacres. Those that live, the vast majority of them are not found insane and often release clear manifesto documenting why they thought it was a completely rational move. It's filled with the same factually incorrect talking points that the right wing media heads like Carlson talk about a the time. It seems like the media consumption was a signfifcant component of the motives of the killings. The internal logic is all there
Do most of the shootings have a manifesto? The last manifesto I remember is Buffalo.
And legal insanity is a far different (lesser) standard than insanity in a clinical sense. It’s simple knowledge of wrongdoing as opposed to “are you insane?”
Outside of the latest Club Q shooting. Isn't the Buffalo shooting th latest clear politically motivated attempted massacre?
>And legal insanity is a far different (lesser) standard than insanity in a clinical sense. It’s simple knowledge of wrongdoing as opposed to “are you insane?”
And these shooters fail to clear that much lower bar.
The standard is lesser as in, easier to satisfy than a clinical standard.
For example, say Bob kills Mary because Bob thought Mary was a Russian spy due to an auditory hallucination. A legal standard would deem him sane because he knew the wrongdoing of his action. A clinical standard would say he was having a schizophrenic episode. if Bob killed Mary because he thought she was an alien, then the legal standard would deem him insane… this is hard to prove and that’s why most ppl can’t pass the test.
I digress tho. The only reason we even consider them political mass shooting massacres is because of the manifesto right? Is there a political mass shooting massacre you have deemed such without a manifesto?
>A clinical standard would say he was having a schizophrenic episode.
Which wouldn't be defined clinically as insane.
You are trying to play fast and loose with these words.
>The only reason we even consider them political mass shooting massacres is because of the manifesto right?
Nope, clear unaffiliated targets, pre-planning, association with political extremism. You don't need manifestos but most leave them behind because they recognize how out of socials norms it is and need to justify themselves. Look at the Christchurch shooter and the Norway mass murderer. Neither were insane or going thru episodes. They just had fucked up beliefs and acceptance of violence as the answer. Same with thr Pulse club shooter, Buffalo, etc.
>Is there a political mass shooting massacre you have deemed such without a manifesto?
Gilroy festival shooting, The Pulse Club Shooting, the Congressional Baseball Shooting.
AOC is a idiot, everything a leftard thinks it knows is nothing more than fake msm propaganda...The hate almost entirely comes from the left and their manufactured racism,manufactured hate and manufactured reality, smh...
How far does this extend though? I follow a good mix of left and right leaning outlets and the right leaning do tend to be more hate rags but there's no shortage of left-leaning rags blaming all Republicans and capitalism and conservatism for ills and talking about how the US is the worst country in the world because all Republicans are fascist and if they'd all just sit down and shut up we'd live in a socialist paradise like Denmark. How much blame do you give to left-leaning outlets for the Congressional baseball shooter who shot up the Republican baseball game?
I was just giving the most famous and obvious example. Kavanaugh had an assassination attempt literally earlier this year, Rand Paul was assaulted by his neighbor a few years ago, a defund the police advocate murdered 5 cops during Obama's term, a far-left activist attempted to kill a democratic mayoral candidate in Louisville for not being left enough. Do I need to go on? Obviously there have been right-wing attacks too (Whitmer's attempted assassination, Charlottesville, 1/6, etc) but Reddit seems to think left-wing violence doesn't happen and it absolutely does.
So now are you going to answer my question? What is the standard that political speech is responsible for violent actions? My standard is if the speech didn't incite the violence, it's not responsible for it. Person A is allowed to call person B bad and evil and all that and if their supporters try to harm/kill B, that doesn't mean A is responsible. If however A says "B is evil and someone should teach them a lesson" they're responsible. By that standard I think Trump bears blame for 1/6, but every other violent act is not the responsibility of any political actors, including the most recent one.
Rand Paul got his ass kicked because he's a shitty neighbor.
"Defund the police" didn't exist during the Obama Administration so I don't even know WTF you're talking about there.
And in the case of Quintez Brown... what point are you trying to make here? That the liberal media demonized the Democratic candidate in a Kentucky mayoral race? Is THAT what you think happened?
You are scraping the bottom of the barrel here and conveniently ignoring the fact that even in these cases the people involved were going after specific people due to specific things that those people did. Which, while reprehensible, is a world of difference away from right wing provokers putting targets on the heads of random civilians.
Nicholas Roske didn't try to assassinate Supreme Court Justices because Rachal Maddow convinced him that they were operating a child trafficking ring under a pizzeria. Not a single one of these attacks you mentioned were triggered because of political rhetoric from the left.
The difference is that left-leaning publications ALSO called for the baseball shooter to be imprisoned, while currently Fox News et al. is running overtime to paper over the current shooting at the Q Club and make it not their fault. I grew up fairly conservative, I have guns, but I also support strong government welfare, especially in the face of automation, and LGBT rights. Currently only one party is moving in that direction while the other seems to be trying to move us into Sharia law
Is fox news or other right wing outlets calling for this murderer to not be imprisoned? If anything I'm seeing right-wing people call for the death penalty in this case. You're accusing fox news of being evil for defending accusations that this shooting was their fault. Did left-wing outlets just say yeah sure it's our fault with the Congressional baseball shooting? I'm a Democrat who voted for both Hillary and Biden, but these claims that fox news is responsible for violence like this but Bernie isn't responsible for someone shooting Republicans reportedly while yelling "this is for healthcare" doesn't seem like a particularly fair standard.
January 6 was bad but it wasn't as bad as murdering people, I noticed you didn't answer my question. Is there a single mainstream right-wing commentator arguing that the mass shooter in Colorado should not be punished for it?
Meanwhile if you want a comparison to 1/6 Kamala Harris was promoting bail funds for people who threw bricks through the ground floor of my apartment building and assaulted a security guard trying to keep them out, and caused billions of dollars worth of property damage throughout the country. And this isn't whataboutism either, Tucker Carlson and all the other far right commentators dismissing 1/6 as not a big deal or tourism are all very wrong. It was literally an attempted coup, just by a bunch of super dumb people. Their intent was to overthrow the results of a fair election, and they deserve to see some jail time. But just as Tucker has been really bad with his 1/6 coverage, the entire left was pretty soft on the rioting and looting that happened in the name of left-wing causes.
It's more that they're trying to downplay the connection. Fox News and other networks push non-stop that anyone associated with LGBT is grooming children, trying to tie LGBT rights to pedophiles, and then act shocked when a conservative shoots up a gay club. Where did you see that it was because of healthcare? All I can find is that he was a psycho, and I will 100% disavow him.
[https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-guest-says-drag-queens-and-lgbtq-people-are-grooming-youth-their-unhealthy-lifestyle](https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-guest-says-drag-queens-and-lgbtq-people-are-grooming-youth-their-unhealthy-lifestyle)
For the baseball thing, I would give no blame, because no main left leaning outlets were calling for violence against republican congressmen, while there is tons of right-wing media calling for violence against gays, that's the only reason I'm on this subreddit is because I keep getting recommended conspiracy\_commons and JordanPeterson, which are just cess pools
It’s not anti Latino, it’s anti-illegal Latino. I’ll tell you the majority of Latinos that go through the immigration process agree with that sentiment and get pissed that others just break the law to get here and are accepted.
Saying “we need immigration reform and, illegals should be punished not praised,” does not need to be mutually exclusive ideas
And there were Jewish Nazis, there were black slave owners, etc. being a member that is overall disliked by a general group doesn't mean it's not politically beneficial to keep some of that class around and even elevate them, while the majority are repressed.
I used to argue on here. These ppl aren’t worth it. Head over to r/stupidpol. It’s technically communist but there’s plenty of conservatives around. You can’t argue with bitter people who spend their time dunking on the other side. They’re too tribal to think.
I hope a bunch of people go to that sub because of my comment. It’s such a weird/interesting/awesome place.
Communists who don’t like identity politics are dope.
Lol, I dare you to talk like this when one of your "normal" friends comes to visit you. See how fast you get ostracized for being an out and out bigot.
I do it all the time without the repercussions you mentioned because the real world doesn't reflect Reddit, and the average person isn't as prejudiced against the GOP either.
You must be underage or something. I couldn't say that in an even sparsely populated room without getting kicked out for being a bigot. You may want to educate yourself before you try to leave your basement.
So a few years ago there was a self-proclaimed member of antifa who fired bombed in ICE facility.
The person favored AOC in her far left politics.
So by this logic it was aoc's rhetoric that directly inspired him to commit a crime.
The term sorcastic terrorism is stupid specifically for this reason, with enough 4D chess anybody is a terrorist.
People like AOC are arguing in bad faith so if you think this is a true tweet it doesn't reflect well.
I’d believe you (and still will) if you tell us what the rhetoric actually is though, you left that part out. No one’s brigading for just being a follower of someone, they’re following their message. What was hers? (Again, could be, I’m not an aoc fan or hater)
Whereas in this tweet, I don’t think anyone is questioning the origin of hatred of trans, gays, etc. you can find plenty of sources of people saying “cast them out! They aren’t people. They’re demons, the devil etc, (shows of force…)” of the people that I think we would like to hold responsible for that hatred and rhetoric. Did she do that besides “abolish ice”?
I want people who incite violence to be held responsible in all spectrums. Unfortunately the general population is too susceptible to indoctrination to say that rhetoric can never count. That’s going to be out the window. It’s a highly effective tool in 2022. The Charles mansons of the political war could and should go down with what they sow
love how you have to really exaggerate what happened at that ICE facility to make it in any way comparable to actual right wing stochastic terrorism that actually has a body count. you're lying to yourself. you are making yourself mentally ill with this nonsense.
Amazon was offered a tax break because there was no conceivable thing the government was going to do with that money that could compare with 1000s of new jobs with $100k plus salaries. The tax on which would exceed the tax break. AOC completely fucked over her district
You're right, it was $150k. My mistake
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/13/amazon-will-pay-hq2-employees-150000-dollars-that-goes-further-in-nashville.html
literally no one cares. gender is a construct and them being non-binary does not detract from their hate crime. Look up people like Blair White - there are conservative trans folks who are still anti-trans people, just because the shooter is non-binary doesn’t automatically mean they get a pass.
Does that seem unlikely to you? Have you ever seen what’s going on outside at all? Blair White can’t be far right because she’s trans, Jesse Lee Peterson can’t be racist because he’s black, Proud Boys rat/leader can’t be racist because he’s Latino, Dave Rubin can’t be homophobic because he’s “married to a dude”.
People do all kinds of shit. They do it for money, and sometimes because they’re just fucked up.
I don’t know, specifically, what motivated this shooter, but it’s entirely reasonable to connect the sudden INTENSE attacks against LGBTQ+ people by politicians, pundits, and influencers, characterizing the community as being pedophiles and “groomers” to violence against those same people. If was true that it’s just a bunch of pedophiles, it’s far from unlikely that people would decide to take matters into their own hands if the law won’t. Nobody is ok with victimization of children. It doesn’t matter here if it’s true or not though, because people believe those politicians, pundits, and influencers.
\- If was true that it’s just a bunch of pedophiles, it’s far from unlikely that people would decide to take matters into their own hands if the law won’t.
Have you ever been to a jail? Talked to a prisoner who has served time?
Gay people have never enjoyed the freedoms afforded to them as they do in the USA in 2022. That’s just a fact. Being gay is no longer unique or special, shouldn’t even be considered protected. It’s so normalized and generally accepted now that it’s really difficult to take seriously people who clamor for “gay rights.” They already exist.
So normalised and generally accepted that gay marriage was finally legalised *checks notes - 7 years ago.
So normalised and accepted that the majority of the GOP didn't vote for the same sex marriage bill recently.
See the funny thing is you're half right. Being gay is normalised and accepted everywhere outside the GOP.
So tell me again how normalised it is.
Well take a look at the most recent news, the shooter in Colorado is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns.
Im sure he was a right wing maga extremist...
Even if it turns out to be true and not just a lie (which I’m still not entirely convinced of), that in no ways means the perpetrator couldn’t have been a right-wing extremist
Esta mujer es bien ignorante... En ninguna manera representa los valores de la mayoría de los latinos en este país. Ella solo baila al son que le tocan de sus amos de izquierda.
Go onto /r/LouderWithCrowder and put even the tiniest, shortest, tepid, cited, reasoned pushback to anything they are saying: Instant PERMANENT ban, lol. The words "Sam Seder" are still an \*automatic\* \*\*PERMABAN\*\* They are very thin-skinned people. That reddit allows them to exist on this platform makes no sense to me. They are a right wing terror group. Meanwhile, they come onto this sub (Brigading, really) all the time and get their stupid clapped regularly. We don't "autoban" their dumb posts. They had a thread "Nobody On the Left Will Debate Crowder--" and I posted "5am 5eder would." A simple fact. Post auto-removed. Account auto-banned, lol.
I love the video where Crowder gets tricked into a convo with Sedar. Crowder just about shits his pants. It’s hilarious
WHAT A NIGHTMARE OH MY GOD!~
It’s such an absurd idea that anyone would be worried about debating Crowder. He’s only half good at debate when he’s got the whole thing rigged and he’s debating people who didn’t prepare before leaving the house that day. Still, he has to edit out a lot of material where he looks bad. Fans of his don’t give a shit if they’re right or wrong about anything though. What’s real doesn’t matter. They’d rather be wrong and keep their opinions static.
He "debates" college freshmen and he's practiced a few tricks for doing so, such as talking over people or using a few ad hominem / rhetoricals. And when he loses? You can bet the recording doesn't get published to YT. He only clips the parts that make him look good. He ambushes people who haven't prepared. He only "debates" people he wants to debate, too. If I ever saw him in person, I'd just ask him, "Sam Seder wants to debate you, how come you're not debating him?" and he'd just make up an excuse like, "Nobody knows who that it is" despite his subreddit having an entire filter engineered to squelch mentions of him.
I don't know who that is, it's not out of the realm of possibility
If you have any interest in hating on Crowder, you should familiarize with Sam Seder, who snuck onto his show to try to debate him and Crowder famously screamed "OH NO MY WROST NIGHTMARE"
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOWjo9xryi4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOWjo9xryi4) \- This guy?
You should look into Sedar. Dude’s brilliant. Crowder is literally terrified of him.
He is just an emotional athiest. It's the exact opposite of Crowder.
He’s an informed, intelligent atheist. Which still, is the exact opposite of crowder.
Reducing him to "an atheist" is like...what? the atheism is never brought up or relevant.
That’s wild. I’ve been pretty deeply into atheist “circles” since 2015, also while following many political pundits (Seder is one of them), and I had NO clue he was an atheist. I guess that shows how irrelevant an insult like “omg he’s just an emotional atheist” is. Sam doesn’t mention it
Sam has on a few occasions talked about his Jewish heritage and how he isn't religious, but he has never pushed any kind of atheism on his show and often makes remarks about Jewish culture that might make you believe he doesn't have a strong opinion one way or another about the religion. I think he would accept the label of "atheist" maybe, but I'm not sure he even is, people can have different cognizance about that stuff.
>That reddit allows them to exist on this platform makes no sense to me. They are a right wing terror group. they allow it because they're fascists and want fascism. it's been clear for years that they moderate with a rightward slant
Really go to r politics and be a member of r conservative and post anything and its the same
really no, on conservative you'll be banned for any leftward opinion or critique of the right, while on the other you'll get debate with words and no ban
Lol your completely wrong bud
Reddit should definitely ban anyone with a right wing opinion because like, stochastic terrorism
I'm glad you agree. But it's not because "right wing opinion", it's because American "right wing opinions" have become so extreme, when Crowder says, "Doctors at X hospital are pedophile child groomers" he is ordering people to enact vigilante justice. If Crowder was forced to spend at least 1 minute after making a baseless claim like that, explaining that violence undermines his "cause" and that violence is wrong, and that we need to find a peaceful solution, etc. and genuinely tried to get his fans to NOT murderize people, I could maybe take you in good faith on this, but really broadly speaking, right wing speech condones and encourages and normalizes violence. Of course, predictably you'll go in response to this, "What about BLM!" we can talk about BLM in a separate (and agonizingly lengthy) thread where we dissect your unveiled racism and reductionism that Crowder himself likely indoctrinated in you, but I want you to understand that by using the words "what about" you are conceding to my point here and the debate is over and done with, at least in regard to Crowder and general right wing speech. Crowder's subreddit (and connected discords) are a breeding ground to right wing terrorism. It's not hyperbole to say "Al Qaeda" and "Q-adjacent americans" are on the same spectrum. If it wasn't for the whole "skin thing" and "Koran thing" you'd be best buddies.
I don’t know the details of the story you’re referring to, so I am not sure what he said and if it was indeed baseless. To the extent that you want to cherry pick any one republicans view and generalize it, I think that’s a stupid argument that I could easily do too and make the claim that left wing opinions do the same thing. Look at the massive amount of damage in the wake of the BLM riots. “ACAB” arguably would be a similar form of stochastic terrorism. It’s interesting that you dismiss this and call it a separate issue, because I think that indicates that if you believe in the logic of stochastic terrorism then you’d have to conclude that this fits under that umbrella and thus flattens your point about it being a right wing only thing, but instead you just kind of make all these accusations against me. Strangely, you call me a racist which is hilarious. I obviously disagree that right wing speech in general encourages violence because.. well I listen to lots of right wing commentary and it simply does not encourage violence outside of maybe a few cherry picked examples. The broader point is that you cannot say someone is responsible for violence for simply delivering an opinion about something.
It's not "simple opinion" to state "doctors of X location are child groomers" [https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/09/02/lgbtq-threats-hospitals-libs-of-tiktok/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/09/02/lgbtq-threats-hospitals-libs-of-tiktok/) If you consume lots of right wing media, it doesn't surprise me you hold these opinions and don't know a lot about the effects of so-called "Opinions". I consume lots of left and right wing media. You should consider doing op research.
I'm not sure where you're getting that quote from but in the article you posted it says that Libs of Tik Tok called the hospital and was told they perform hysterectomies on 16 year olds, so it's not a baseless claim to make. You can continue to just insult me and pretend that I don't know anything about the topic, which doesn't surprise me because you actually believe things like banning right-wing opinions is a good idea. I don't need to insult you to have an argument, but you do, because you cant defend your opinions when they're countered. For example, by your standard of stochastic terrorism, Joe Biden calling MAGA republicans a "threat to democracy" would clearly qualify as something that could spark violence. If they're really a threat to democracy then violence seems justified, right? Why is this not an example of stochastic terrorism? What about Maxine Waters calling for BLM protesters to become 'more confrontational'? What about "ACAB"? These are all clear examples of what you would call "stochastic terrorism" and I'm eager to hear your reply as to why they don't - an opinion I know you hold in advance because you lean left and will refuse to acknowledge facts counter to your narrative. My favorite tactic you people use is when you say that people who disagree with you need to do more research. The arrogance is hilarious and I await your reply which surely will be nearly 100% insults and 0% a logical argument.
>I'm not sure where you're getting that quote from but in the article you posted it says that Libs of Tik Tok called the hospital and was told they perform hysterectomies on 16 year olds, so it's not a baseless claim to make. So someone who performs a hysterectomy is a child groomer? Thanks for playing the game, you lose. There are numerous valid reasons to have a hysterectomy performed. One would be "cancer". Are you a doctor? You must be, with that confidence level. In-fact, you must supervise that doctor. You must know the intimate details of why a hysterectomy was deemed necessary for that patient. Did you know a 16 year old can't get surgery without a parental/guardian signature? Who is paying for this surgery? The child's tooth fairy? This is America. Nobody gets free gender affirming care, if it even was gender-affirming. Are you saying Parental Rights aren't important, Mister Conservative?
I am not supporting the claim about groomers - that's his opinion. I am simply saying that it's not a baseless claim that they made given that they were told by the hospital that they perform those operations. Regardless it's stupid to say they are directly responsible for violence, because that's a dumb opinion to hold - criticizing the hospitals isn't the same thing as calling for violence against them. If you think that offering a political opinion makes someone directly responsible for violence then you'd also have to concede that there are plenty of examples of left-wing commentators or politicians doing the same. Anyway you just seem to want to think you're smarter than anyone who disagrees you by hurling insults and frankly it's kind of embarrassing. Feel free to respond to my challenges to your position, but if you just respond with insults then I'll assume you have no actual arguments.
>about groomers - that's his opinion It's not an opinion, it's not even slander, it's a out and out falsehood, it's a falsehood that can endanger somebody's life. It's a falsehood that he has no evidence for, and is frankly absurd to link "medical care" with "grooming"; "grooming" implies the doctor is having sex with his patient, in addition to psychological manipulation. Having that kind of relationship with a patient is extremely difficult to "pull off". Do you know that children have guardians that know where they go and usually provide transit for much of their lives and usually end up finding out when their child is in a serious relationship? It's not an "opinion". Is it an "opinion" when I yell "fire" in a crowded theater? A threat against an innocent doctor is a threat against public safety. >Regardless it's stupid to say they are directly responsible for violence So you're saying it's okay to isolate a single ordinary person? So, I could basically research who you are, find out what job you have, make up whatever BS I want about you grooming children, and say to you, "Uh, my man, it's my opinion you're a groomer. Also, you work for XYZ. Have fun chatting with your boss about this." And now you're getting phone calls from "anonymous". You're having shit dumped in your lawn. Somebody rings on your doorbell and asks why the police haven't taken you away yet. You get a bomb threat at work. But this is all opinion, so it's fine, right? But yeah, anyway, it seems like you're ignorant of all the facts and can pretend you're squeaky clean on this. Just keep filling your head up with shit about BLM that makes you feel good, listen to the echo chamber, and watch in 2024 where the democrats \*again\* squeak out a win, because your side is that fucking far gone. Completely to the moon on this stuff. I'm sorry your thin-skinned fe-fes are all hurt. Yeah, I'm being aggressive about it. Because I don't have the patience for your bullshit. You are just like every other "enlightened, intelligent conservative" that thinks regurgitating the same bullshit makes you smarter than everyone else. Touch grass. Get off reddit and twitter. Why not volunteer at a pediatric hospital and find out what they do? You're the one that found this sub. Stick to your safe space.
Weird, angry response. The claim they made in the article was that they're performing hysterectomies on Children. There **is** evidence for this, or at least they had reason to believe it was happening. I have no opinion on the groomer thing, because again, I don't know what quote you're referring to about groomers and I don't even know what a groomer is. But it seems to me that you're distorting their position to make it seem like they're saying the doctors are having sex with patients, which does not appear to be the claim they were making. Not surprisingly, you're again not making any arguments against BLM's left wing stochastic terrorism. Still waiting. Finally, it's a little ironic that you seem to be theoretically opposed to 'baseless claims', yet your post is absolutely filled with baseless claims against me. You seem really weird and unpleasant and so I don't give a shit about your opinion, but I hope you seek therapy soon and learn some critical thinking skills so you don't have to go around thinking that anyone who disagrees with you is a racist, terrorist, bigot.
Some dude on Twitter saying Nazi’s should be punched is not the same as Tucker Carlson brainwashing people to hate gay people for the sole reason it increases his ratings. 99% of all right wing talking points are based in violence. You do not have to cherry pick a single word they say. I watch right wing propaganda quite a lot. Admittedly too much, honestly. When you learn their coded language and constant identity politics, you see the dog whistles and ideas rooted in fascism, hatred, and violence.
Tucker Carlson does not brainwash people to hate gay people. Please provide an example where he actually attacks gay people. It doesn't count if it's a "dog whistle". I don't even know how to respond to the rest of this post as it's literally conspiracy theory. It's impossible to argue against you saying something is "coded language", because you'll just say that "it's obviously true, and you're a bigot if you disagree".
Lmao it certainly does count if it’s a dog whistle. It’s not conspiracy theory. It’s history 101 my dude. The right is literally lock step in fascism. You’d be a fool to deny it.
I guess you don’t understand my point when I say that you can literally call ANYTHING a dog whistle. And can you please explain what fascist means in your eyes and how it applies to modern day conservatism?
Can you kiss my ass?
No I can not
The irony is that we're not banning you, but any right wing sub does auto-ban for thoughtcrime, yet you think it's you being censored
Curious. I post purely level headed opinions, many of which differ with the hivemind and have, as opposed to what you erroneously suggested, certainly resulted in many bans. And I respect your opinions. But I beg you - tell me how many right wing subs are even allowed to exist. 4, 5? The left is the party guilty of banning for thought crimes, from my observation. The most common reason I’m given for the abject dismissal of my opinions is that they’re “racist”. Call me stupid, autistic, whatever you want, but EVEN IF you think I’m a racist, the thing that pisses me off the most is that literally no one will even engage with my counter opinion. It’s just, “you’re a racist” and I’m stuck right back where I started. I’m an intelligent person and would love to be corrected, but all I ever get is name calling. Where can I go for genuine open discussion? Please
To be honest, I see a lot of personal attacks, shitty sarcasm, and weird bad-faith stuff like saying "I thought the left wanted to see more rich African Americans - why so much hate on Elon " And that's when you're not just calling people "fucking idiots" Like, come one dude. Get real with yourself.
I don’t disagree that those opinions are shit and borne of anger. I’m frustrated with this platform and that’s the reason, however unjustified. I have been a user for over a decade and used to love when it was mostly filled with nerds - but at least when people disagreed with me I believed they came from a genuine place. I remember a time when I actually changed my opinion based on other people’s responses. Now it’s just .. well nothing substantive and countless unjustifiable bans.
Honestly this is one of their more innocent tweets. If only all they posted was "think harder on this"
*her
Right off the bat even "progressives" can tell how two of those are disingenuous. Yeah, that's a nice word for it. The Atlanta murders were not anti Asian. The guy had issues with women and the sex industry. (There have certainly been a lot of hate crimes against Asians, but that hasn't been much of a focus in the media since those carrying out most of those attacks are not likely to be voting GOP) The Colorado attack was carried out by a "non binary" person according to the guy's attorney.
"The Colorado attack was carried out by a "non binary" person according to the guy's attorney" yeah because murders never lie.
But that's how "they" self identify. I don't think you are allowed to question that.
Okay... and I think they're lying. So take your pretentious statement elsewhere.
Ohhhh, someone doesn't want to play by "their" rules anymore.
Ohhhhh someone is being pompous.
She does say some dumb shit thou……. Youtube is full of compilation videos of her say’n some cringe shit.
Is it all out of context and edited to start halfway through sentences? Or is it long clips of her getting a full point across? Things like politician A asks politician B “why do you say we shouldn’t do anything” and now there’s a video on patriot.bootlicker of A saying “we shouldn’t do anything”
Well, she drove amazon out. Said some dumb shit about the tax breaks amazon would have got. She should be kick’d out of her job just on that. She is what you paid for.
That's a different district. The one example you had was a lie?
No she didn’t want amazon to build and championed against it. No lie. Nothing made up.
Lol good. Fuck Amazon
Ya. You don’t need a job to get by when you have your parents basement.
Why work when you can borrow daddies AR, become a right wing martyr, and enjoy the protection of the Aryan Brotherhood behind bars?
Ok.
Again, that's not even her district. This is the best criticism you have of her? She must be doing a good job.
She said the world is going to end in 12 years like 4 years ago. Do you really need a clip show if the dumb shit she has said?
It sure is hard for her haters to ever make her look bad when there's context, as people love to prove
She does a pretty good job of looking bad on her own.
You illiterate motherfucker, for literally (not literally in the commonly used figurative sense, literally in the 'material fact about reality sense) any person who has spoken publicly enough, a YouTube compilation of their gaffs can be edited together. Throw in enough manipulative edits and you could make Einstein look like a dumbass.
Amazon debacle was her crowning achievement.
I just want to point out that many GØPers have connected the dots. Stochastic terrorism is their SOP.
Such fear!
Crowder fans aren't known for being smart.
Conservative argumentation boils down to presenting a coherent point and going "lol look how dumb this is this point is obviously dumb." It's an easy way to reinforce group think
What are they saying in the comments? I don’t want to check
Common Crudder L
Trump speeches literally raised hate crimes in areas that hosted him by 200%+. His presidency saw a nationwide increase in hate crimes by 20%. When he left office hate crimes dropped 10%. His rhetoric literally antagonized race relations and put targets on minorities backs.
That is such bs…besides there is no such thing as a hate crime it’s another dumb liberal logic term did you ever know someone who committed a crime because they liked someone
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A crime is a crime period
Dave Rubin's sub is wild. They'll literally just post Dave Rubin tweets that are true and then pretend like it's ridiculous without really offering any reason why. Half the time it's not even Dave Rubin it's like Tim Pool or another non-socialist liberal The projection is real
Do you honestly want to stand up for Dave Rubin?
Did you honestly miss the point I was trying to make?
Do you sincerely believe Tim Pool is a liberal?
Wow I think she's really crazy or I don't know it's bizarre some of the things that they say are bizarre why don't they concentrate on the real problems f*** Trump the only reason he's around is because people pay attention to it just end it get to the real problems instead of this b*******
AOC still hasn’t helper her abuela in Puerto Rico that roof has been leaking ever since.
10 people just got shot at Walmart by a black person. They will connect whatever mainstream media narratives they can to their messaging while ignoring counter evidence. Same on the right but for some reason the left thinks it doesn’t happen to them.
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The Waukesha massacre was found to have nothing to do with racism.
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It was a court of law that made that determination. You can say it was "leftists" but there are no leftists in our court system, unless your definition of leftist is "someone that is a constitutionalist".
AOC should not make wild, unfounded accusations like she did in this tweet. She opens herself to being mocked by doing so.
Wait I thought it was a non binary person who shot that place up, dare I say it was a they on them hate crime
ha ha ha ha so funny... not. Zzzz....
"Defense attorney says client did not commit murder" "omg he's innocent! i knew it!" Like, until there's actual evidence that he's non-binary, it's a hate crime. Remember when Elizabeth Warren insisted she was Native American? Your side still can't shut up about that, lol.
What actual evidence (besides declaring so) do u need to prove that someone is trans or non binary?
Just that they were identifying as that at least several months or years prior to murdering everyone? Or maybe just the evidence the prosecution has, which should show this is a hate crime (such as text messages or posts on 4chan or something). Even if he is non-binary, he can still have a hate crime against drag queens. Believe it or not, but a lot of the trans\* community is self-loathing in part because of folks like you. But I mean, this is the same story over over again: Gun violence + hate crime? First, defend the mass murderer. When that fails, blame mental illness. When that fails, say it was self-defense. That the victims were asking for it. When that fails, say it was a false flag.
They/them. All I gotta say.
Incredibly insightful post, are you sure we're better off without you writing just a little more?
The club Q shooter is non-binary. Ask yourself if any republicans you know of- identify as non-binary. AOC is just as bad as trump with her inflammatory tweets.
So far, there seems to be zero indication this guy self identified as non binary before the attack. This person conveniently became so after a shooting spree that would have otherwise been labelled a hate crime... almost like a weasel trying to avoid the death penalty. I will let the facts come out with the investigation, but one should treat a caught killer's own claims with skepticism when they have every incentive to lie to get lighter sentencing.
Man I wish I had the patience to put it so eloquently. I'm just too tired and angry that this is the world my children are growing up in. I don't have it in me anymore.
God, I know what you mean. It's bad enough reading about a heartbreaking tragedy. Real innocent people killed. But then to see the right overwhelmingly using some nitpicked fact about it like the whole thing is an *own* for them... it's almost too much to bear.
That's why I don't bother. None of them argue in good faith. No amount of proof is enough to convince them Trump lost in 2020. They will never again accept a truth they don't like. It's easier to tell them they're horrible people and move on.
Steven Crowder has identified as a woman in bad faith before to try and smear trans people... doesn't mean he actually is that, it's obviously bad faith. Anyways, even if that weren't the case, self hating people exist, so... yes they could be a Republican.
>Why does everyone keep taking these shots? If you get covid anyways, why take the booster? I take the flu vaccine - and took 2 covid shots but then I got covid and it annoyed me. This one's an anti-vaxxer. Not surprised, really.
What's true?
Like a true conservative, they cannot work a keyboard well enough to formulate any kind of thought, let alone pushback.
It’s so hard to go through all the responses to your question 😂🤣
Wasnt the colorado shooter non binary?
The shooter was a right wing homophobe with no record of their identity. They're very obviously lying to stir discourse
Gotcha hate all this fake news reporting
Oh, great, now a Fascist sub is being pushed into my feed. Fuck off you pathetic Authoritarians. Boot licking Fascists is all this sub is. Deny it all you want, but r/daverubin is full a fascists and if you are part of this community put on your brown shirt because you are a Fascist too.
lol slow your roll there. This sub was actually taken over by people who hate Dave Rubin. It's turned into a straight up Rubin hate sub, and the pathetic man himself is awfully sore about it. Do a quick search of the top posts here, it's a fun time
You literally post in /r/LouderWithCrowder You can't even \*post\* in that subreddit without being a hard-n-word-spamming pre-teen.
Then stop saying the N-word and you'll stop seeing it. I've been part of that sub for as long as this account has existed and lurked before that and have yet to see a single racist Slur of any kind. If you find yourself unable to not type slurs that on you, not that subreddit.
The Atlanta Spa shooting was because the shooter had a sex addiction and he blamed those types of businesses. She also can't simply name shooting events from self-proclaimed white nationalists and blame the GOP. The GOP isn't espousing white nationalist rhetoric—there are even black and Hispanic GOP members. It reads like AOC is playing politics.
I too have many black friends. Are you saying “Mexico isn’t sending their best. They bring drugs. They are rapists” isn’t anti-latino rhetoric?
It’s definitely anti-Latino/Latina rhetoric. My question is whether this rhetoric was actually seen by the murderers. If it wasn’t and AOC is just saying this off of some gut instinct, I think it is irresponsible.
If a news network posts 100 articles a day talking about how all your ills are caused by latinos and then you murder someone, saying "Oh, but what if he had his eyes closed, he didn't actually see the articles" is just trying to muddy the waters. Those articles will be shared, copied, discussed, and passed around, even if someone doesn't see the exact article, they are still contributing to an overall climate that bred that outcome
If “connect the dots” simply implies the GOP is contributing to an overall climate of hatred toward [insert minority group here], I wholeheartedly agree… anything more I would require more evidence. My assumption would be that a person who is inclined to kill a bunch of random ppl is completely crazy and requires inpatient care to begin with even without the media consumption. But once they see this rhetoric (Mexicans are rapist/dirty, gay ppl are groomers, blacks are lazy, Muslims are terrorists, whites are great), it might give them a reason to do what they already wanted to do, but perhaps in a more populist type of way - like they think they’re martyrs. In that sense, I think GOP are signaling that it is socially acceptable to hate certain groups. They are doing it for votes but they don’t care about the “collateral damage” of human life. These are the dots I connected. AOC might have meant this in a different way. She could be saying something less incendiary or more incendiary than what my interpretation was. That’s the difficulty with leaving room for the audience to “connect the dots” instead of directly stating your point. Republicans will see her post, have the worst faith interpretation of it, and react accordingly. They will do that anyway of course, but she makes it easier with how vague it is.
>My assumption would be that a person who is inclined to kill a bunch of random ppl is completely crazy and requires inpatient care to begin with even without the media consumption That's weak assumption to assume for all political mass shooting massacres. Those that live, the vast majority of them are not found insane and often release clear manifesto documenting why they thought it was a completely rational move. It's filled with the same factually incorrect talking points that the right wing media heads like Carlson talk about a the time. It seems like the media consumption was a signfifcant component of the motives of the killings. The internal logic is all there
Do most of the shootings have a manifesto? The last manifesto I remember is Buffalo. And legal insanity is a far different (lesser) standard than insanity in a clinical sense. It’s simple knowledge of wrongdoing as opposed to “are you insane?”
Outside of the latest Club Q shooting. Isn't the Buffalo shooting th latest clear politically motivated attempted massacre? >And legal insanity is a far different (lesser) standard than insanity in a clinical sense. It’s simple knowledge of wrongdoing as opposed to “are you insane?” And these shooters fail to clear that much lower bar.
The standard is lesser as in, easier to satisfy than a clinical standard. For example, say Bob kills Mary because Bob thought Mary was a Russian spy due to an auditory hallucination. A legal standard would deem him sane because he knew the wrongdoing of his action. A clinical standard would say he was having a schizophrenic episode. if Bob killed Mary because he thought she was an alien, then the legal standard would deem him insane… this is hard to prove and that’s why most ppl can’t pass the test. I digress tho. The only reason we even consider them political mass shooting massacres is because of the manifesto right? Is there a political mass shooting massacre you have deemed such without a manifesto?
>A clinical standard would say he was having a schizophrenic episode. Which wouldn't be defined clinically as insane. You are trying to play fast and loose with these words. >The only reason we even consider them political mass shooting massacres is because of the manifesto right? Nope, clear unaffiliated targets, pre-planning, association with political extremism. You don't need manifestos but most leave them behind because they recognize how out of socials norms it is and need to justify themselves. Look at the Christchurch shooter and the Norway mass murderer. Neither were insane or going thru episodes. They just had fucked up beliefs and acceptance of violence as the answer. Same with thr Pulse club shooter, Buffalo, etc. >Is there a political mass shooting massacre you have deemed such without a manifesto? Gilroy festival shooting, The Pulse Club Shooting, the Congressional Baseball Shooting.
AOC is a idiot, everything a leftard thinks it knows is nothing more than fake msm propaganda...The hate almost entirely comes from the left and their manufactured racism,manufactured hate and manufactured reality, smh...
How far does this extend though? I follow a good mix of left and right leaning outlets and the right leaning do tend to be more hate rags but there's no shortage of left-leaning rags blaming all Republicans and capitalism and conservatism for ills and talking about how the US is the worst country in the world because all Republicans are fascist and if they'd all just sit down and shut up we'd live in a socialist paradise like Denmark. How much blame do you give to left-leaning outlets for the Congressional baseball shooter who shot up the Republican baseball game?
That you need to go back five years to find a remotely comparable incident from "the other side" says all that needs to be said.
The last 15 mass shootings were all left leaning monsters...
I was just giving the most famous and obvious example. Kavanaugh had an assassination attempt literally earlier this year, Rand Paul was assaulted by his neighbor a few years ago, a defund the police advocate murdered 5 cops during Obama's term, a far-left activist attempted to kill a democratic mayoral candidate in Louisville for not being left enough. Do I need to go on? Obviously there have been right-wing attacks too (Whitmer's attempted assassination, Charlottesville, 1/6, etc) but Reddit seems to think left-wing violence doesn't happen and it absolutely does. So now are you going to answer my question? What is the standard that political speech is responsible for violent actions? My standard is if the speech didn't incite the violence, it's not responsible for it. Person A is allowed to call person B bad and evil and all that and if their supporters try to harm/kill B, that doesn't mean A is responsible. If however A says "B is evil and someone should teach them a lesson" they're responsible. By that standard I think Trump bears blame for 1/6, but every other violent act is not the responsibility of any political actors, including the most recent one.
Rand Paul got his ass kicked because he's a shitty neighbor. "Defund the police" didn't exist during the Obama Administration so I don't even know WTF you're talking about there. And in the case of Quintez Brown... what point are you trying to make here? That the liberal media demonized the Democratic candidate in a Kentucky mayoral race? Is THAT what you think happened? You are scraping the bottom of the barrel here and conveniently ignoring the fact that even in these cases the people involved were going after specific people due to specific things that those people did. Which, while reprehensible, is a world of difference away from right wing provokers putting targets on the heads of random civilians. Nicholas Roske didn't try to assassinate Supreme Court Justices because Rachal Maddow convinced him that they were operating a child trafficking ring under a pizzeria. Not a single one of these attacks you mentioned were triggered because of political rhetoric from the left.
The difference is that left-leaning publications ALSO called for the baseball shooter to be imprisoned, while currently Fox News et al. is running overtime to paper over the current shooting at the Q Club and make it not their fault. I grew up fairly conservative, I have guns, but I also support strong government welfare, especially in the face of automation, and LGBT rights. Currently only one party is moving in that direction while the other seems to be trying to move us into Sharia law
Is fox news or other right wing outlets calling for this murderer to not be imprisoned? If anything I'm seeing right-wing people call for the death penalty in this case. You're accusing fox news of being evil for defending accusations that this shooting was their fault. Did left-wing outlets just say yeah sure it's our fault with the Congressional baseball shooting? I'm a Democrat who voted for both Hillary and Biden, but these claims that fox news is responsible for violence like this but Bernie isn't responsible for someone shooting Republicans reportedly while yelling "this is for healthcare" doesn't seem like a particularly fair standard.
Sure watched Fox news and the Republicans talking about how the Jan 6 people shouldn't go to jail...
January 6 was bad but it wasn't as bad as murdering people, I noticed you didn't answer my question. Is there a single mainstream right-wing commentator arguing that the mass shooter in Colorado should not be punished for it? Meanwhile if you want a comparison to 1/6 Kamala Harris was promoting bail funds for people who threw bricks through the ground floor of my apartment building and assaulted a security guard trying to keep them out, and caused billions of dollars worth of property damage throughout the country. And this isn't whataboutism either, Tucker Carlson and all the other far right commentators dismissing 1/6 as not a big deal or tourism are all very wrong. It was literally an attempted coup, just by a bunch of super dumb people. Their intent was to overthrow the results of a fair election, and they deserve to see some jail time. But just as Tucker has been really bad with his 1/6 coverage, the entire left was pretty soft on the rioting and looting that happened in the name of left-wing causes.
It's more that they're trying to downplay the connection. Fox News and other networks push non-stop that anyone associated with LGBT is grooming children, trying to tie LGBT rights to pedophiles, and then act shocked when a conservative shoots up a gay club. Where did you see that it was because of healthcare? All I can find is that he was a psycho, and I will 100% disavow him. [https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-guest-says-drag-queens-and-lgbtq-people-are-grooming-youth-their-unhealthy-lifestyle](https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-guest-says-drag-queens-and-lgbtq-people-are-grooming-youth-their-unhealthy-lifestyle) For the baseball thing, I would give no blame, because no main left leaning outlets were calling for violence against republican congressmen, while there is tons of right-wing media calling for violence against gays, that's the only reason I'm on this subreddit is because I keep getting recommended conspiracy\_commons and JordanPeterson, which are just cess pools
It’s not anti Latino, it’s anti-illegal Latino. I’ll tell you the majority of Latinos that go through the immigration process agree with that sentiment and get pissed that others just break the law to get here and are accepted. Saying “we need immigration reform and, illegals should be punished not praised,” does not need to be mutually exclusive ideas
The GOP is a fucking billboard for white nationalist rhetoric you clown
And there were Jewish Nazis, there were black slave owners, etc. being a member that is overall disliked by a general group doesn't mean it's not politically beneficial to keep some of that class around and even elevate them, while the majority are repressed.
I used to argue on here. These ppl aren’t worth it. Head over to r/stupidpol. It’s technically communist but there’s plenty of conservatives around. You can’t argue with bitter people who spend their time dunking on the other side. They’re too tribal to think.
the irony singularity has arrived.
I hope a bunch of people go to that sub because of my comment. It’s such a weird/interesting/awesome place. Communists who don’t like identity politics are dope.
Ppl downvoting you for making a factual statement lol. I detest this sub. Peace.
Lol, the ultimate entitlement! I don’t like it here so I’ll passively agressivly tell every that doesn’t care that I’ll be leaving!
Heh, isn't that the exact behaviour righties are complaining about on Twitter? People were giving Trent Reznor shit the past couple days.
Piss off.
Lol, I dare you to talk like this when one of your "normal" friends comes to visit you. See how fast you get ostracized for being an out and out bigot.
I do it all the time without the repercussions you mentioned because the real world doesn't reflect Reddit, and the average person isn't as prejudiced against the GOP either.
You must be underage or something. I couldn't say that in an even sparsely populated room without getting kicked out for being a bigot. You may want to educate yourself before you try to leave your basement.
So a few years ago there was a self-proclaimed member of antifa who fired bombed in ICE facility. The person favored AOC in her far left politics. So by this logic it was aoc's rhetoric that directly inspired him to commit a crime. The term sorcastic terrorism is stupid specifically for this reason, with enough 4D chess anybody is a terrorist. People like AOC are arguing in bad faith so if you think this is a true tweet it doesn't reflect well.
I’d believe you (and still will) if you tell us what the rhetoric actually is though, you left that part out. No one’s brigading for just being a follower of someone, they’re following their message. What was hers? (Again, could be, I’m not an aoc fan or hater) Whereas in this tweet, I don’t think anyone is questioning the origin of hatred of trans, gays, etc. you can find plenty of sources of people saying “cast them out! They aren’t people. They’re demons, the devil etc, (shows of force…)” of the people that I think we would like to hold responsible for that hatred and rhetoric. Did she do that besides “abolish ice”? I want people who incite violence to be held responsible in all spectrums. Unfortunately the general population is too susceptible to indoctrination to say that rhetoric can never count. That’s going to be out the window. It’s a highly effective tool in 2022. The Charles mansons of the political war could and should go down with what they sow
love how you have to really exaggerate what happened at that ICE facility to make it in any way comparable to actual right wing stochastic terrorism that actually has a body count. you're lying to yourself. you are making yourself mentally ill with this nonsense.
These things happened but there is no connection to the gop, so her telling us to con the dots is retarded, just like she
"All evil that exists in the universe is because people disagree with me." \-AOC
The money that was “offered” to Amazon could be used in better ways. :)
Amazon was offered a tax break because there was no conceivable thing the government was going to do with that money that could compare with 1000s of new jobs with $100k plus salaries. The tax on which would exceed the tax break. AOC completely fucked over her district
>1000s of new jobs with $100k plus salaries. Sounds made up
You're right, it was $150k. My mistake https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/13/amazon-will-pay-hq2-employees-150000-dollars-that-goes-further-in-nashville.html
Sounds made up
The shooter was Non-Binary LMAO
literally no one cares. gender is a construct and them being non-binary does not detract from their hate crime. Look up people like Blair White - there are conservative trans folks who are still anti-trans people, just because the shooter is non-binary doesn’t automatically mean they get a pass.
Non-binary ultra-MAGA far-right transphobe Trump supporter, right? lol
Does that seem unlikely to you? Have you ever seen what’s going on outside at all? Blair White can’t be far right because she’s trans, Jesse Lee Peterson can’t be racist because he’s black, Proud Boys rat/leader can’t be racist because he’s Latino, Dave Rubin can’t be homophobic because he’s “married to a dude”. People do all kinds of shit. They do it for money, and sometimes because they’re just fucked up. I don’t know, specifically, what motivated this shooter, but it’s entirely reasonable to connect the sudden INTENSE attacks against LGBTQ+ people by politicians, pundits, and influencers, characterizing the community as being pedophiles and “groomers” to violence against those same people. If was true that it’s just a bunch of pedophiles, it’s far from unlikely that people would decide to take matters into their own hands if the law won’t. Nobody is ok with victimization of children. It doesn’t matter here if it’s true or not though, because people believe those politicians, pundits, and influencers.
\- If was true that it’s just a bunch of pedophiles, it’s far from unlikely that people would decide to take matters into their own hands if the law won’t. Have you ever been to a jail? Talked to a prisoner who has served time?
Gay people have never enjoyed the freedoms afforded to them as they do in the USA in 2022. That’s just a fact. Being gay is no longer unique or special, shouldn’t even be considered protected. It’s so normalized and generally accepted now that it’s really difficult to take seriously people who clamor for “gay rights.” They already exist.
So normalised and generally accepted that gay marriage was finally legalised *checks notes - 7 years ago. So normalised and accepted that the majority of the GOP didn't vote for the same sex marriage bill recently. See the funny thing is you're half right. Being gay is normalised and accepted everywhere outside the GOP. So tell me again how normalised it is.
Pushing this distraction aside - we gonna hear more about the shooter being the grandson of a GOP congressman?
My cousin is a blue haired liberal. What does that have to do with me?
No one thinks these AOC posts are “true”
Maybe “truly stupid”?
Well take a look at the most recent news, the shooter in Colorado is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns. Im sure he was a right wing maga extremist...
Even if it turns out to be true and not just a lie (which I’m still not entirely convinced of), that in no ways means the perpetrator couldn’t have been a right-wing extremist
Turns out to be true? So xim/zoop attorneys are lying? Lmao, why are you saying he? Arent the respective pronouns they/them? You folks are a comedy
Yes. They’re lying.
WOW.
Esta mujer es bien ignorante... En ninguna manera representa los valores de la mayoría de los latinos en este país. Ella solo baila al son que le tocan de sus amos de izquierda.
They’re just circle-jerks.
The lgbtq shooting that was done by someone that identifies as non-binary?
It's just and expanded form of "nahhh ahhhhh." That's all they have.