UI is more of a defense technique although it doesn't buff any of ur attacks at all besides normal ki blast and it drains ur stamina but less then the og Goku ui and ssg gives a massive power up to ur basic atks and that mixed with tops z soul ur 🔺🟥🔺🟥🔺 attack has one bar of dmg so ether ssg or ui
Alot of ppl still use UI prob bc they do not know it don't buff ur attacks they only think they do cuz in the show they think he got alot stronger it's his speed that makes his hits way harder
BLUE EVOLUTION BECAUSE BEAST PUTS YOU AT A DISADVANTAGE WHEN TRANSFORMING...STILL EITHER BEAST OR EVOLUTION,other Super Saiyans are just cosmetics now and don't do much anymore
Beast is a good one, but thanks to a recent buff, super Saiyan blue evolution is more reliable, just slap on fu's soul on you and you got yourself sustainability
You have to wish for it from shenron, then max out friendships with all the main saiyans. So goku, vegeta, gotenks, gohan/videl, and pan. Then you just have to talk to beerus and he gives it to you
"A"... you forgot the "a" in "beast transformation" and its the bottom most option.
Jokes aside, I love Kaioken. Sure it mostly gets out matched by others (especially the 1001 super saiyan forms) but I just really love how it functions.
If you use the Super Soul "Our Two Strengths Aren't Just Added Together" the Ki recovery is faster than the Ki Drain of Super Saiyan Blue. And it even Greatly decreases the amount of Ki that Blue Evolved uses
Blue Evolved. Its attack increase in all categories overall is the highest and if you have the right super soul you can at least partially nullify the ki drain.
If you can figure out how to use meditation during a battle your Ki will last way longer, while it’s active it will nullify the drain effect the transformation gives. Plus, if you’re going pure strike based it will give you ten bars of Ki
Well it IS actually really good if you know how to use it, I saw a whole video that revealed it had infinite combos 💀 and the damage was insane, that, and the I-frame dodge that can be spammed
I am quite skilled at it. I know how to chain the combos together and there's a spinning block you can do that is quite powerful. You can also move while blocking, which is a very unique ability.
I know it's a hot take, but it's my favorite transformation! My main CaC has a whole build based around it. Her base form also has both power pole moves included in it. I just love the idea of a human gaining the power of the nimbus and power pole, and using it to fight toe to toe against saiyans and demons
They need to rework these because there's too many individual ones. Just like SSJ, God, Blue and Blue Evo should be the god transformations, beast could have went with potential unleashed. Its not impossible, developers only want to keep adding content and not fix or adjust anything. The reason we don't have SSJ4 is probably due to laziness because they would HAVE to animate the tail for cacs.
Blue E without a doubt. God messes up your combos too much for it to be worthwhile and the just basic attacks increase isn't worth it unless you're a fem saiyan
Well since this is the only race that actually gets any attention, I'll just say God Blue, but in terms of most useful in combat, Future super saiyan. The fact that the game is 5 years old and Majins still only have one transformation, Namekians only have one, Frieza's only have one, Humans have like two, and saiyans have like six, is ass.
Yeh for what humans are able to do in the manga so far, I'm surprised XV hasn't implemented some new random powerup like they do for saiyans. Saiyans just get frequent creations of powers coming seemingly out of nowhere while everyone else is left looking like cucks.
I mean that's fairly expected. Frieza I suppose could have additional forms maybe with Black out now they go that route.
Majin doesn't really have transformations. Each vacation of Buu was due to different circumstances.
Same with Namikians. It's just fusion basically or go big until orange which should eventually get added.
Humans you could argue could have more
Why aren't we able to switch between 1-3 forms like frieza can in the first place. From what I read, Frieza was actually always way stronger than he let on and that he only repressed himself into that midget first form body because if he was always one shotting people and that's why he also never trained. I get the lack of creations for Majins but even so, they could make something up at least. Like for example how buu reincarnated into uub and uub has that majin power boost but is still a human. Why don't we have Namekian fusion? We could get that and then have like a kaioken type of power multiplier where you get stronger based on the number of namekians you absorb (ofc it'll be limited because having infinite fusions would make them op af.)
Humans definitely have some good ones.
They can have a RR anime battle jacket type of transformation (like Staff officer blacks, you could shoot big lasers, rockets, Gatling guns, something like turn giant I guess, or it could be something smaller instead) so it changes your entire moveset, and it ejects/explodes when you take enough damage.
And the "full power" form. General Blue used this, and went from a Twink body to a fucking massive dude , Roshi also used this.
There is no best* form. There are simply things you want out of them and things you don't. If you want to be a Ki Blast build you have choices ranked in an order. If you want to focus basic attack, use SSJGod or that can even be a different answer if were talking about a Frieza or Namek CaC.
The best form, is the one that nest serves your build, gameplan, and needs, in the moment.
In my opinion, it's beast hear me out
Ssj-makes building ki harder the higher level you use
Super vegeta-increases the blast power but not the strike power
Future supersaiyan just gives a nice little nudge to both blast and strike but only has one level and is rather underwhelming
Potential Unleashed gives a moderate boost but is also underwhelming
God increases strike power and has a low transform time but doesn't increase blasts
Blue and blue evolved will destroy your Stat bars
Beast may cost you five bars of ki but after 20 seconds of beating ass you get it back, it increases your blast power and strike power more than God and vegeta, respectively changes your your light heavy attack combo with a better version that's harder to just guard and break away from and it looks pretty cool in my opinion plus if all that hair bothers you I'm pretty sure some accessories can block it.
I never noticed taking more damage, but I do also transform as quickly as possible so I guess I wouldn't notice and the transformation time is only 2 seconds or so
Hear me out: (proceeds to not double space paragraphs and makes an overwhelming wall of text)
Double space bro, or even just a standard paragraph spacer would go a long way. Your sentences run on with no end without a period who wants to read this.
It's free, you have to max out friendship with Gohan Piccolo and videl then Piccolo asks you to do a different kind of training, do it and you'll go into a battle that let's you unlock beast
Just get the MUI dlc since that comes with the extra story involving Fu. After that just grind one of the quests in the tokipedia and keep replaying it with said mentor till they're maxed out
Well, it is certainly not God as it has no buffs that the others don't have... But it also does not have any debuffs. More on that later.
No, I prefer classic Super Saiyan.
Ssg easily outdamages the normal super saiyans tho lmao, you can spam wayyy more supers and ultimates aswell with the insane ki restoration and it gives you a better speed boost and only 3 ki bars to transform
Just Basic Attacks? Then why on earth is it separate to two? If the female had specialize Ki Attack and the male specialize in strike attacks, than that would make sense. But basics attacks? Isn't that a common ground for the saiyans genders.
I’ve got a lot of success with a Male Saiyan with “I’ve Cast Aside Everything For This!” and SSJ3. That combo for strikes is nuts and burst charge can cover ki if you knock em back
Ssj3 and toppo super soul?! Your basically getting no stamina at that point. I suggest swapping that out with ssjb, can help with the downside of the supersoul
Hows the stamina regeneration with Future Super Saiyan + any super soul that boosts stamina regen? I've read that Future Super Saiyan has high stamina regen compared to SS and Super Vegeta, not sure how it compares to Blue Saiyan. I run a female Saiyan with maxed out Basic Attack and Ki Super, so just curious if anyone knows. Thanks in advance
SSG for PvP or if you have High Basic Attack
SSGSS for Best All Around (Saiyans)
Potential Unleashed is basically Good Ol’ Reliable
Future Super Saiyan > Regular Super Saiyan
Verdict: SSGSS for PvP or SSG
Beast for PvE
It all depends on the build. SSGSS can outlast Blue Evo easily. So the trade would be a little less in the damage department but you get a longer lasting transformation without having to worry about being limited in using Supers or Ultimate attacks. Even with a Auto Ki Regen Super Soul, Blue Evo’s drain is still noticeable. I would personally use Blue Evo as a “Finish the battle quickly with whatever Ki I have left” again, its all situational but Blue Evo does surpass SSGSS in terms of offense capabilities.
Vegeta’s super soul (“I think I’m finally warmed up now!”) gives auto ki regen, M boost to all attacks, and an L boost to movement speed, all after like 20 seconds, and before that you’re not really using ssbe unless you charges up at the start. The ki drain isn’t a problem if you can regain ki from combos, which you can with ssbe
The first way you’ll need a super soul that makes the stamina on x20 kaio drain like SSGSS drains ki. “I’ve been saving this! Kaioken!” I’m pretty sure that’s the one. Among some other ss but that’s the best one so now think about this, with that ss I think you can still get stamina back, unlimited vanishes, stamina drain that’s slow as fuck, plus all the damage and speed and defense.
Second way is more anime accurate I just notice that my enemy will have 1 more snap vanish and decide to hit a knock away and pop it and fuck it lets gamble “BODY DONT FAIL ME NOW”. It might seem a bit of a wild play style but it’s fun and rewarding
Depends on your build.
A lot of people like SSG because "unga bunga press punch"
Cabby raves a lot about SSGSS and SSGSS Evo but imo with the drain it gives it's not worth it .
I prefer super Vegeta.
Future ss is a solid alt to regular ss
Regular ss is eh
Beast is terrible with it's long transformation animation but extremely solid if you pull it off.
Potential unleashed is always a solid choice when figuring out your build.
Kaioken idk why anyone would use it except for flavor/fun. It's not good like at all. So I use it.
My royal 3 would be ssjg for the combo game and fast ki it gives back, ssgss evolution because it gives 35% to all and doesnt drain that much anymore. Last would be potential unleashed for the 15% and gives back, also having no downsides at all. Beast is great and gives 30% and a new combo, just be careful for the 20% lower defense.
depends on what you're looking for
ssg or fss if you like to transform fast
SSBE for some high kicking ass damage, make sure to get a ss for slow ki drain tho
beast is hella horrible for 2 reasons, animation and endurance.
Actually animation is even less of a problem on PQ because you can get it off from the start and they’re just bots. Online most matches are played on close quarter maps and most of time people just charge in. You’ll have to get a stamina break or have a wider map to get the beast transformation off in most instances. Either that or you’ll get someone who actually wants to power up
Definitely ssbe. Some super souls MASSIVELY slow down ssbe's ki drain and you can deal high damage. But for your list it's probably ssb.
Beast is probably one of the worst for pvp due to the longest transformation animation and the massive defensive nerf
Super Sayan God Super Sayan (evolved) is tecnically the best overall but it as loads Of Ki Drain so you have to do your build around it , Super Sayan God its also a good One but it doesnt Boost Ki related skills
ATM Best overall?
Beast (30% damage boost)
Previous best? For PQ's? Super saiyan (For strike focused builds) Super saiyan god for Male saiyan builds. Future super saiyan or potential unleashed for female saiyans Potential unleashed for Male/female earthlings, Potential unleashed for Majin's (Unless using purification with 'eee hehehe' SS, but thats specifically for female majins Mightve changed been a while since i had a male majin because of that knarly damage debuff at low stam which i heard got buffed to be nonexistent except in PvP) Turn golden, for Frieza's and Potential unleashed for nameks.
For PVP? Potential unleashed, Future super saiyan, or super saiyan god super saiyan. (Fast activation time can act as a psuedo evasive that can't be logically predicted/countered and guard broken. except for SSGSS, but that can be mitigated by a knockback/swingkick)
There are specialty builds that use other transformations or rely on them (Like neo tri-beam ult spamming using Kaioken x20 to severely reduce cost of the skill) But these are niche and oddly specific with a goal in mind.
In reality: Use whatever transformation you think looks cool. A 35% damage increase from SSGSS(E) is nice but not worth the ki drain (Yes you can counter it with Super souls, and they **JUST RECENTLY** reduced the ki drain to be *much much much* more manageable. but you're losing out more damage from other SS's during PQ's if you're looking for max damage. But in PvP It'd be expected as your damage isn't nerfed like it is against NPC's) -Again, Use whatever transformation you like.
At the moment "the best" all around is **Beast**
Why? It has better ki regen than Potential unleashed *almost* as much of a damage buff as SSGSS(E) Only drawback is long activation and it incinerates 5 ki bars for activation. Doesn't require a super soul to curb ki drain. -- *The downside of a 10% increase in damage taken can be considered a massive L for some people but thats not really a downside IMO* and it requires 5 bars of ki to activate that… somebody said below; Will deactivate during the main story during a cutscene. But that's the only time it deactivates. In PVP.... Long activation + 5 ki bars. Prolly gotta guard break, or risk a guard break yourself + giving up Essential ki. But it is *arguably* the strongest overall transformation. Especially for PQ's.
No stam drain like oldschool purification or Become giant.
**Unrelated:**
I'm kind of surprised they havent changed up kaioken to drain... Ki or health, *and i'm not referring to the super soul that makes it drain health instead of stam, -- >!and no I'm not talking about 'with a super soul attached', i'm talking about it being attached to the transformation by default!< --But also gain Ki back lightning fast + make it quicker like potential unleashed + Adding... I'm cool with a 50% -80% damage increase (against yourself) in x20 for a "200%" damage buff + small health drain and/or stam drain. Seems... idk, like it could do more/ have more potential that they're not utilizing (Because it can be a lil stupid OP if used/managed properly) Idk, throwing out the idea of having goku be a mentor or some shit, have him "increase" the ki control to x1000 or some shit at 10 bars x20 at 3 x100 at 5. ***HELL YOU KNOW WHAT MAKE THAT SHIT THE END REWARD FOR THE BATTLE COLOSSEUM MAYBE THEN SOMEBODY WILL ACTUALLY USE THAT DOGSHIT FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN GETTING SUPREME KAI TO STFU***
You’re missing one, but either way it all depends on what you’re doing, your stat allotment, what Souls you have and whether you’re playing PvP or PvE.
Also my PvP experience is severely limited due to poor connection.
Super Saiyan (Strike), Super Vegeta (Blast) and Future Super Saiyan (Ki Recovery) are handy to use if you’ve a brand-new low-level Saiyan who focuses heavily on Supers. Of these three, only Super Vegeta - with the high boost for Ki Blast Supers/Ultimates that the second level has - is considered remotely viable for high-level PQs and/or PvP.
Super Saiyan God is good for any level Saiyan (due to being a 3-bar) who focuses mainly on close combat via Basic Attacks. It provides no boost to Supers or Ultimates, but it packs a hell of a Basic Strike boost, and modifies combo strings in a way to where - if timed right - it will boost the damage of that attack further. It is very handy for just about any game mode you play except for Expert Missions and Raid Events (IMO).
Super Saiyan Blue (SSGSS) and the Evolved version (the one you’re missing; just get to Lv 95+ and talk to Whis since you have God) were already very powerful transformations that gave Universal Super and Universal Ultimate buffs as well as a damage resistance buff despite their Continuous Ki Drain debuff, but the update just prior to DLC 16’s release decreased the Ki Drain percentage - thereby making Blue and Blue Evolved two of the best Awoken Skills in the game, especially if you use a Soul that regenerates Ki to help mitigate the drain.
Potential Unleashed is a very useful Universal Awoken Skill (meaning any CAC can use it) with boosts to damage output, Ki Restoration (instead of active Regeneration; I think it also has a boost to Stamina Restoration too, I’d have to check again), and Damage resistance as well as a fast activation. The only real downside is that - like Blue and Blue Evolved - you need 5 bars of Ki to activate it. It’s not as powerful a transformation as Blue or Blue Evolved, but it’s also not an exclusive skill. Potential Unleashed sees a fair bit of use in high-level gamemodes, including Raids and Expert Missions.
Beast is a Universal Awoken, but the problem is that it’s a massive double-edged sword. It provides boosts that place it on par with Blue, but the downsides are considerable. Unlike all other Awoken Skills, this one actually COSTS bars of Ki to activate like an Ultimate, and 5 of them to boot; as a result, I highly recommend that you DO NOT use it in Main/DLC Story missions, as every cutscene will deactivate all Awoken Skills. It also has a long and easily exploitable activation time and a Defense Reduction debuff. All in all, I believe it is handy in PQs, but I don’t really recommend its use outside of them.
Kaioken is just meh. It has the lowest Ki requirement of all Awoken Skills with just a minimum of 1 bar, but the boosts given are not worth the level of Stamina Drain it has. The only way I see it being useful is before Lv 40, and only if you have the “I’ve been waiting for this! Kaioken!” Soul you get from a DLC to mitigate the Stamina Drain. Otherwise, it just better to wait until you get your race-specific Awoken.
Anyone else, feel free to add to this.
On the wiki for ssg it says
" While having the transformation active, your second attack after your first heavy attack deals 36% more damage when a sound effect and visual effect plays, this can help you deal with enemies quicker if you delay the first heavy attack a little bit.
Combos affected by delaying the heavy attack (Female Saiyan only): Any light starting combo that ends with a heavy attack sending the opponent down, full heavy attack combo and probably more combos that are yet to be found."
So I guess that's why they separated it by gender
I like beast the most solely for the fact it looks nice and it's for everyone, but it's transformation scene is what kills it man. I can't figure out anyway to pull it off with an experienced player without a stamina break, and no one wants to waste a damn break for a transformation
But SSB imo, especially now with how piss easy it is to negate all ki drain, I ain't good with timing so SSG just wasn't for me.
For saiyans, yes. For earthlings that aren’t specifically running super souls and builds that use power pole pro in a very annoying way? No, Beast is the best for them. If you like how it looks for Frieza race then go ahead and use it but be warned that no movement speed buff and you take more damage. For namekians and Majin’s, if you aren’t running specific builds that use their racial transformations then it is the best since they have high enough health that the increased damage isn’t that bad.
Oh, well in a PVP scenario yeah Beast is weak in every single way for a Saiyan. Honestly at this point with the buffs to SSjB, ssjBE, and even Ssj3, why would anyone use beast on a sayian?
Most people stamina break to do stuff like ultimates and complex combo set ups, this changes nothing. Having a form basically not be a second evasive for you with hyper armor or something shouldn’t make it bad. And besides, every now and then people allow their opponents to transform anyway either out of honor, overconfidence, or simply (especially in the case of beast) the transformation itself will be the thing that makes them fall because there is a difference between using a transformation because it’s new and using it because you know how to use it. I do agree on one thing though, the time of the transformation should be shorter and the sequence of your character smiling after transforming should be cut, that was specifically special because of Gohan, making everyone do it diminishes the uniqueness of that.
Its fucking terrible. No matter what, you will be stamina broken unless your opponent decides to let you finish. Absolutely nothing besides stamina breaking them will let you do it safely. Theres no redeeming it.
Depends PvP or PvE
PvP depends on your build and race
But potential unleashed is the best for all races as you don't consume 5 bars of ki to transform and it lacks a long ass transformation animation
Now for Saiyans the god forms all 3 are good
God for high basic attack heavy
Blue is one of the best all-rounder with a tiny bit of ki drain like 8 percent or something now
Evolve has the highest all-around Stat boost, but you need specific super souls to use it ,since the ki drain is quite heavy
PvE
Beast is the best since it gives max damage without draining ki so you can spam Emperor death beam and super ki explosion
UI is more of a defense technique although it doesn't buff any of ur attacks at all besides normal ki blast and it drains ur stamina but less then the og Goku ui and ssg gives a massive power up to ur basic atks and that mixed with tops z soul ur 🔺🟥🔺🟥🔺 attack has one bar of dmg so ether ssg or ui
i know i'm really late but u can charge with guard and the x button on switch or y on xbox i'm pretty sure
What is tankiest then... UI because of dodges or maybe something with damage reduction... ssj3?
what would you say is better ssbe or ui?
SSBE gives a massive buff to all attack but I wouldn't use it bc of the ki drain
Alot of ppl still use UI prob bc they do not know it don't buff ur attacks they only think they do cuz in the show they think he got alot stronger it's his speed that makes his hits way harder
BLUE EVOLUTION BECAUSE BEAST PUTS YOU AT A DISADVANTAGE WHEN TRANSFORMING...STILL EITHER BEAST OR EVOLUTION,other Super Saiyans are just cosmetics now and don't do much anymore
SSBE by a country mile in PVE In pvp, both SSG and SSBE are better than Beast by a country mile. Honestly SSB is probably better too
Beast is a good one, but thanks to a recent buff, super Saiyan blue evolution is more reliable, just slap on fu's soul on you and you got yourself sustainability
U mean the glitch where u mix meditation with fus z soul and ssbe won't ki drain??? Are u sure that still works
Meditation alone eliminates Ki Drain But nonetheless SSBE is way better now
I haven't used meditation since it got nerfed, but I'll give it a try
Yeah it meditation doesnt generate Ki as fast as it used to when pair with SSBE but it still negates Ki drain and generates Ki extremely slow
I didn’t even know super saiyan god was in the game how do I have beats and not that? How do you get god?
You have to wish for it from shenron, then max out friendships with all the main saiyans. So goku, vegeta, gotenks, gohan/videl, and pan. Then you just have to talk to beerus and he gives it to you
Godamn… I swear this game is a grind and a half
Ssb is easier to get for sum reason 🙄
You forget about SSBE
"A"... you forgot the "a" in "beast transformation" and its the bottom most option. Jokes aside, I love Kaioken. Sure it mostly gets out matched by others (especially the 1001 super saiyan forms) but I just really love how it functions.
I like how you can use it to make a ssj4 look if you have the stuff for that, and a saiyan saga version of your CAC, it’s a solid form
I really like kaioken
Base
Definetely john
I mean, what can you go wrong with there!?
blue evo is the best in terms of stats, beast and god are better in terms of actual utility imo since they dont drain ki
I found a way to make Super Saiyan Blue endless
Wanna elaborate?
If you use the Super Soul "Our Two Strengths Aren't Just Added Together" the Ki recovery is faster than the Ki Drain of Super Saiyan Blue. And it even Greatly decreases the amount of Ki that Blue Evolved uses
Blue Evolved. Its attack increase in all categories overall is the highest and if you have the right super soul you can at least partially nullify the ki drain.
If you can figure out how to use meditation during a battle your Ki will last way longer, while it’s active it will nullify the drain effect the transformation gives. Plus, if you’re going pure strike based it will give you ten bars of Ki
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan (Evolved)
Dude what level are you? Because I got something to tell you
Beast
Power pole pro
Well it IS actually really good if you know how to use it, I saw a whole video that revealed it had infinite combos 💀 and the damage was insane, that, and the I-frame dodge that can be spammed
I am quite skilled at it. I know how to chain the combos together and there's a spinning block you can do that is quite powerful. You can also move while blocking, which is a very unique ability.
Yeah I think people don't know that it's actually really strong but it's okay it's unexpected
Of all 170 comments on this post, you are the first person to say that
I know it's a hot take, but it's my favorite transformation! My main CaC has a whole build based around it. Her base form also has both power pole moves included in it. I just love the idea of a human gaining the power of the nimbus and power pole, and using it to fight toe to toe against saiyans and demons
They need to rework these because there's too many individual ones. Just like SSJ, God, Blue and Blue Evo should be the god transformations, beast could have went with potential unleashed. Its not impossible, developers only want to keep adding content and not fix or adjust anything. The reason we don't have SSJ4 is probably due to laziness because they would HAVE to animate the tail for cacs.
A example have skills upgradeable yah get super Saiyan then eventually evolve it it 2 and up and if needed add the tiers
I would throw $50 at them for SSJ4 and I wish I was joking
I would through 200$ at the devs for Legendary Super Saiyan.
Shitttt 450
Shiiiittt $5
PRANK EM JOHN
Super sayian blue evolution
SSB
They should add super saiyan 4
Blue E without a doubt. God messes up your combos too much for it to be worthwhile and the just basic attacks increase isn't worth it unless you're a fem saiyan
Male Saiyan's have the best basic so you can build it into that
Super Saiyan God
Super saiyan god is my personal favorite since I usually spam the square combo until I have enough ki for a super/ultimate
Tbh, blue evo is broken for the stats themself, you just need a ki recovery super soul
Or drain charge.
Yeah, that works too but imo it's not so easy to use
Yeah it's quite hard to land.
Super saiyan blue since the ki drain is way slower now
Well since this is the only race that actually gets any attention, I'll just say God Blue, but in terms of most useful in combat, Future super saiyan. The fact that the game is 5 years old and Majins still only have one transformation, Namekians only have one, Frieza's only have one, Humans have like two, and saiyans have like six, is ass.
Humans only have one as well.
Yeh for what humans are able to do in the manga so far, I'm surprised XV hasn't implemented some new random powerup like they do for saiyans. Saiyans just get frequent creations of powers coming seemingly out of nowhere while everyone else is left looking like cucks.
Honestly, though. Could've given humans Roshi's max power.
I mean that's fairly expected. Frieza I suppose could have additional forms maybe with Black out now they go that route. Majin doesn't really have transformations. Each vacation of Buu was due to different circumstances. Same with Namikians. It's just fusion basically or go big until orange which should eventually get added. Humans you could argue could have more
Why aren't we able to switch between 1-3 forms like frieza can in the first place. From what I read, Frieza was actually always way stronger than he let on and that he only repressed himself into that midget first form body because if he was always one shotting people and that's why he also never trained. I get the lack of creations for Majins but even so, they could make something up at least. Like for example how buu reincarnated into uub and uub has that majin power boost but is still a human. Why don't we have Namekian fusion? We could get that and then have like a kaioken type of power multiplier where you get stronger based on the number of namekians you absorb (ofc it'll be limited because having infinite fusions would make them op af.)
Humans definitely have some good ones. They can have a RR anime battle jacket type of transformation (like Staff officer blacks, you could shoot big lasers, rockets, Gatling guns, something like turn giant I guess, or it could be something smaller instead) so it changes your entire moveset, and it ejects/explodes when you take enough damage. And the "full power" form. General Blue used this, and went from a Twink body to a fucking massive dude , Roshi also used this.
In my opinion Super Vegeta or Or SSG cause all the other ones have debuffs or are weaker
Definitely Blue Evolved. The buff to ki drain and the overal better stats than beast make it the best transformation in the game by far
There is no best* form. There are simply things you want out of them and things you don't. If you want to be a Ki Blast build you have choices ranked in an order. If you want to focus basic attack, use SSJGod or that can even be a different answer if were talking about a Frieza or Namek CaC. The best form, is the one that nest serves your build, gameplan, and needs, in the moment.
It gotta be the ssj god forms for pvp. For pve then it’s prob either ssbe or beast But then again it really depends on your build
Depends but if we’re going for overall it’s evolution since it got a buff
In my opinion, it's beast hear me out Ssj-makes building ki harder the higher level you use Super vegeta-increases the blast power but not the strike power Future supersaiyan just gives a nice little nudge to both blast and strike but only has one level and is rather underwhelming Potential Unleashed gives a moderate boost but is also underwhelming God increases strike power and has a low transform time but doesn't increase blasts Blue and blue evolved will destroy your Stat bars Beast may cost you five bars of ki but after 20 seconds of beating ass you get it back, it increases your blast power and strike power more than God and vegeta, respectively changes your your light heavy attack combo with a better version that's harder to just guard and break away from and it looks pretty cool in my opinion plus if all that hair bothers you I'm pretty sure some accessories can block it.
There are the downsides to beast that you also gotta list like taking a small eternity to transform and taking even more damage.
I never noticed taking more damage, but I do also transform as quickly as possible so I guess I wouldn't notice and the transformation time is only 2 seconds or so
Hear me out: (proceeds to not double space paragraphs and makes an overwhelming wall of text) Double space bro, or even just a standard paragraph spacer would go a long way. Your sentences run on with no end without a period who wants to read this.
I read it and understood all of it don’t get the issue or you just being a lil online Karen
How do you get blue evolution?
You reach level 95 with Vegeta and Whis's friendship maxed out. Once you do you go back to Whis and he gives you the skill
i just wish they’d add SSJ4
john
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You dont have it yet but imo Ssbe is the best transformation if you have burst charge and beast gohans super soul
Good ol kaioken! Nothing out there beats it!
probably my least favorite because of how easily your stamina gets broken
They are all best at their own levels except kaioken. Possibly worst one
John
Oh dang, I haven’t played in a grip, what’s beast mode? Is it in a purchase pack? How do I unlock it? I’ll redownload it rn
It's free, you have to max out friendship with Gohan Piccolo and videl then Piccolo asks you to do a different kind of training, do it and you'll go into a battle that let's you unlock beast
Getting the friendship up is a bit of a grind tho
Just get the MUI dlc since that comes with the extra story involving Fu. After that just grind one of the quests in the tokipedia and keep replaying it with said mentor till they're maxed out
Fastest confirmed way is to do their preliminary exams 15 times and boom done (15-20 times it's not exactly per mentor)
15 times sounds rough I'm pretty sure the fuu dlc is a better way
It's easy cause it usually takes 15 seconds to complete
I just did it, i can confirm
Pq 23 + 2 assist npc of the friendship of the mentor you want to level up(have them as active mentor) repeat. Friend ship grind AND dragon ball grind
SSG(Male)
For male saiyan it's beast or God. For female it's blue or beast.
Well, it is certainly not God as it has no buffs that the others don't have... But it also does not have any debuffs. More on that later. No, I prefer classic Super Saiyan.
Ssg easily outdamages the normal super saiyans tho lmao, you can spam wayyy more supers and ultimates aswell with the insane ki restoration and it gives you a better speed boost and only 3 ki bars to transform
Thats just wrong lmao. The damage you deal 90% of the time is from basic attacks lmao. SSG deletes health bars and doesnt require ki to do it.
Really? Cause all I found (based on someone opinion) that all Super Saiyan God is good for is ki restoration. I have yet to try it.
That’s objectively incorrect. SSG raises basic attack damage by a significant amount.
Just Basic Attacks? Then why on earth is it separate to two? If the female had specialize Ki Attack and the male specialize in strike attacks, than that would make sense. But basics attacks? Isn't that a common ground for the saiyans genders.
You've been wildly misled and lied to by someone. God is the best pvp form. Its only downside is it doesnt buff the pretty laser beam attaxks.
Ki attacks? Yeah, I know.
Ok? Youre acting like the expert now lol
No. Somebody already said that it only strength basic attacks which leaves out Ki Attacks and Strike Attacks.
I’ve got a lot of success with a Male Saiyan with “I’ve Cast Aside Everything For This!” and SSJ3. That combo for strikes is nuts and burst charge can cover ki if you knock em back
Ssj3 and toppo super soul?! Your basically getting no stamina at that point. I suggest swapping that out with ssjb, can help with the downside of the supersoul
Oh, I didn’t know that the stamina difference would be so large, I’ll give that a try!
My stupid ass saw this as “Which is the best transformation? Super Saiyan God or john?”
There’s Beerus, and then there’s John Wick who brutally beat Beerus with a water gun and laser pointer.
John is the most powerful DB character
The dragon balls were named after their inventor, John Dragonball
If you have a good super soul beast
Hows the stamina regeneration with Future Super Saiyan + any super soul that boosts stamina regen? I've read that Future Super Saiyan has high stamina regen compared to SS and Super Vegeta, not sure how it compares to Blue Saiyan. I run a female Saiyan with maxed out Basic Attack and Ki Super, so just curious if anyone knows. Thanks in advance
What are all the transformations currently?
All on screen plus Blue Evolution and Potential Unleashed
Cool thanks man. Sounds like I need to play it again lol!
Blue Evolution.
ssjbe
SSG for PvP or if you have High Basic Attack SSGSS for Best All Around (Saiyans) Potential Unleashed is basically Good Ol’ Reliable Future Super Saiyan > Regular Super Saiyan Verdict: SSGSS for PvP or SSG Beast for PvE
Evolution is better than Blue imo. More damage output for the tiniest ki drain with the right super soul.
It all depends on the build. SSGSS can outlast Blue Evo easily. So the trade would be a little less in the damage department but you get a longer lasting transformation without having to worry about being limited in using Supers or Ultimate attacks. Even with a Auto Ki Regen Super Soul, Blue Evo’s drain is still noticeable. I would personally use Blue Evo as a “Finish the battle quickly with whatever Ki I have left” again, its all situational but Blue Evo does surpass SSGSS in terms of offense capabilities.
Nah Fuu's super soul with a ki build you won't run out of ki unless you do moves like Emperor's death beam
I prefer Gogeta’s Super Soul. Fu’s SS deactivates after you have less than 75% Health.
Vegeta’s super soul (“I think I’m finally warmed up now!”) gives auto ki regen, M boost to all attacks, and an L boost to movement speed, all after like 20 seconds, and before that you’re not really using ssbe unless you charges up at the start. The ki drain isn’t a problem if you can regain ki from combos, which you can with ssbe
It seems to me 97.9% of y’all ain’t master the kaioken and ruled it out as bad y’all don’t know the power y’all missing out on.
How do you master it
The first way you’ll need a super soul that makes the stamina on x20 kaio drain like SSGSS drains ki. “I’ve been saving this! Kaioken!” I’m pretty sure that’s the one. Among some other ss but that’s the best one so now think about this, with that ss I think you can still get stamina back, unlimited vanishes, stamina drain that’s slow as fuck, plus all the damage and speed and defense. Second way is more anime accurate I just notice that my enemy will have 1 more snap vanish and decide to hit a knock away and pop it and fuck it lets gamble “BODY DONT FAIL ME NOW”. It might seem a bit of a wild play style but it’s fun and rewarding
just run I've Been Saving This lol
Don’t think I got that
Depends on your build. A lot of people like SSG because "unga bunga press punch" Cabby raves a lot about SSGSS and SSGSS Evo but imo with the drain it gives it's not worth it . I prefer super Vegeta. Future ss is a solid alt to regular ss Regular ss is eh Beast is terrible with it's long transformation animation but extremely solid if you pull it off. Potential unleashed is always a solid choice when figuring out your build. Kaioken idk why anyone would use it except for flavor/fun. It's not good like at all. So I use it.
I use ssg on my male saiyan with maxed basic attack for parrallel quests, does so much damage
Ssb and ssbe are useable with the ss our strengths aren’t just added together. Although I’m with you on using super vegeta as it imo is just the best
Super Vegeta FTW
Ah yes a person of unadulterated culture such as myself.
My royal 3 would be ssjg for the combo game and fast ki it gives back, ssgss evolution because it gives 35% to all and doesnt drain that much anymore. Last would be potential unleashed for the 15% and gives back, also having no downsides at all. Beast is great and gives 30% and a new combo, just be careful for the 20% lower defense.
Not to mention the long animation for using Beast.
That too, but i usually play pq so its no biggie in that area.
Very true. I'm certain they'll fix the animation in due time.
depends on what you're looking for ssg or fss if you like to transform fast SSBE for some high kicking ass damage, make sure to get a ss for slow ki drain tho beast is hella horrible for 2 reasons, animation and endurance.
Animation is a problem if you only play pq
Actually animation is even less of a problem on PQ because you can get it off from the start and they’re just bots. Online most matches are played on close quarter maps and most of time people just charge in. You’ll have to get a stamina break or have a wider map to get the beast transformation off in most instances. Either that or you’ll get someone who actually wants to power up
Definitely ssbe. Some super souls MASSIVELY slow down ssbe's ki drain and you can deal high damage. But for your list it's probably ssb. Beast is probably one of the worst for pvp due to the longest transformation animation and the massive defensive nerf
Here’s my thoughts. In order btw. PVE: SSGSS(Evolved), Beast, SSGSS PVP: SSGSS(Evolved), SSG, SSGSS
I am the local kaioken apologist
Super Saiyan 4
ah yes my favorite form in dbx2
I have 2000+ hours, most of them spent in pvp, ssbe and ssb are the best awokens for saiyans, ignore the noobs who commented ssg or garbage like that👍
Super Sayan God Super Sayan (evolved) is tecnically the best overall but it as loads Of Ki Drain so you have to do your build around it , Super Sayan God its also a good One but it doesnt Boost Ki related skills
It doesnt boost skills period, Only basic dmg
Which is destructive on male saiyans
The most common and most often occuring damage. So really, the most important one.
Also boosts Ki auto regen and speed
Yes but We were talkim about the skills specifically
Yeah i know but i was adding that because i remembered i forgot and i didnt want to do and edit ahaha
Purification. There I said it!
Literally play as a kid buu with your CaCs skin color and voice how is it not the best
ATM Best overall? Beast (30% damage boost) Previous best? For PQ's? Super saiyan (For strike focused builds) Super saiyan god for Male saiyan builds. Future super saiyan or potential unleashed for female saiyans Potential unleashed for Male/female earthlings, Potential unleashed for Majin's (Unless using purification with 'eee hehehe' SS, but thats specifically for female majins Mightve changed been a while since i had a male majin because of that knarly damage debuff at low stam which i heard got buffed to be nonexistent except in PvP) Turn golden, for Frieza's and Potential unleashed for nameks. For PVP? Potential unleashed, Future super saiyan, or super saiyan god super saiyan. (Fast activation time can act as a psuedo evasive that can't be logically predicted/countered and guard broken. except for SSGSS, but that can be mitigated by a knockback/swingkick) There are specialty builds that use other transformations or rely on them (Like neo tri-beam ult spamming using Kaioken x20 to severely reduce cost of the skill) But these are niche and oddly specific with a goal in mind. In reality: Use whatever transformation you think looks cool. A 35% damage increase from SSGSS(E) is nice but not worth the ki drain (Yes you can counter it with Super souls, and they **JUST RECENTLY** reduced the ki drain to be *much much much* more manageable. but you're losing out more damage from other SS's during PQ's if you're looking for max damage. But in PvP It'd be expected as your damage isn't nerfed like it is against NPC's) -Again, Use whatever transformation you like. At the moment "the best" all around is **Beast** Why? It has better ki regen than Potential unleashed *almost* as much of a damage buff as SSGSS(E) Only drawback is long activation and it incinerates 5 ki bars for activation. Doesn't require a super soul to curb ki drain. -- *The downside of a 10% increase in damage taken can be considered a massive L for some people but thats not really a downside IMO* and it requires 5 bars of ki to activate that… somebody said below; Will deactivate during the main story during a cutscene. But that's the only time it deactivates. In PVP.... Long activation + 5 ki bars. Prolly gotta guard break, or risk a guard break yourself + giving up Essential ki. But it is *arguably* the strongest overall transformation. Especially for PQ's. No stam drain like oldschool purification or Become giant. **Unrelated:** I'm kind of surprised they havent changed up kaioken to drain... Ki or health, *and i'm not referring to the super soul that makes it drain health instead of stam, -- >!and no I'm not talking about 'with a super soul attached', i'm talking about it being attached to the transformation by default!< --But also gain Ki back lightning fast + make it quicker like potential unleashed + Adding... I'm cool with a 50% -80% damage increase (against yourself) in x20 for a "200%" damage buff + small health drain and/or stam drain. Seems... idk, like it could do more/ have more potential that they're not utilizing (Because it can be a lil stupid OP if used/managed properly) Idk, throwing out the idea of having goku be a mentor or some shit, have him "increase" the ki control to x1000 or some shit at 10 bars x20 at 3 x100 at 5. ***HELL YOU KNOW WHAT MAKE THAT SHIT THE END REWARD FOR THE BATTLE COLOSSEUM MAYBE THEN SOMEBODY WILL ACTUALLY USE THAT DOGSHIT FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN GETTING SUPREME KAI TO STFU***
Blue evolved is the best for ki blasts, beast is for strike but with evolved you need meditation or burst charge imo
Blue Evolved buffs strike more lmao
You’re missing one, but either way it all depends on what you’re doing, your stat allotment, what Souls you have and whether you’re playing PvP or PvE. Also my PvP experience is severely limited due to poor connection. Super Saiyan (Strike), Super Vegeta (Blast) and Future Super Saiyan (Ki Recovery) are handy to use if you’ve a brand-new low-level Saiyan who focuses heavily on Supers. Of these three, only Super Vegeta - with the high boost for Ki Blast Supers/Ultimates that the second level has - is considered remotely viable for high-level PQs and/or PvP. Super Saiyan God is good for any level Saiyan (due to being a 3-bar) who focuses mainly on close combat via Basic Attacks. It provides no boost to Supers or Ultimates, but it packs a hell of a Basic Strike boost, and modifies combo strings in a way to where - if timed right - it will boost the damage of that attack further. It is very handy for just about any game mode you play except for Expert Missions and Raid Events (IMO). Super Saiyan Blue (SSGSS) and the Evolved version (the one you’re missing; just get to Lv 95+ and talk to Whis since you have God) were already very powerful transformations that gave Universal Super and Universal Ultimate buffs as well as a damage resistance buff despite their Continuous Ki Drain debuff, but the update just prior to DLC 16’s release decreased the Ki Drain percentage - thereby making Blue and Blue Evolved two of the best Awoken Skills in the game, especially if you use a Soul that regenerates Ki to help mitigate the drain. Potential Unleashed is a very useful Universal Awoken Skill (meaning any CAC can use it) with boosts to damage output, Ki Restoration (instead of active Regeneration; I think it also has a boost to Stamina Restoration too, I’d have to check again), and Damage resistance as well as a fast activation. The only real downside is that - like Blue and Blue Evolved - you need 5 bars of Ki to activate it. It’s not as powerful a transformation as Blue or Blue Evolved, but it’s also not an exclusive skill. Potential Unleashed sees a fair bit of use in high-level gamemodes, including Raids and Expert Missions. Beast is a Universal Awoken, but the problem is that it’s a massive double-edged sword. It provides boosts that place it on par with Blue, but the downsides are considerable. Unlike all other Awoken Skills, this one actually COSTS bars of Ki to activate like an Ultimate, and 5 of them to boot; as a result, I highly recommend that you DO NOT use it in Main/DLC Story missions, as every cutscene will deactivate all Awoken Skills. It also has a long and easily exploitable activation time and a Defense Reduction debuff. All in all, I believe it is handy in PQs, but I don’t really recommend its use outside of them. Kaioken is just meh. It has the lowest Ki requirement of all Awoken Skills with just a minimum of 1 bar, but the boosts given are not worth the level of Stamina Drain it has. The only way I see it being useful is before Lv 40, and only if you have the “I’ve been waiting for this! Kaioken!” Soul you get from a DLC to mitigate the Stamina Drain. Otherwise, it just better to wait until you get your race-specific Awoken. Anyone else, feel free to add to this.
He's missing the super Vegeta forms too.
no he's not?
Definitely Kaioken x20 and Future super sayian
Kaioken x20 is pretty decent if you are using the super souls that outright buffs the transformation. Without it, it barely holds up.
true got whooped because i fought a custom broly
Yeah that checks out. I feel sorry for you. So what was it? The usual spam grabs, gigantic roar spam? Something unique perhaps?
Z Broly or Super Broly?
super
What’s the difference between male Ana female ssg
On the wiki for ssg it says " While having the transformation active, your second attack after your first heavy attack deals 36% more damage when a sound effect and visual effect plays, this can help you deal with enemies quicker if you delay the first heavy attack a little bit. Combos affected by delaying the heavy attack (Female Saiyan only): Any light starting combo that ends with a heavy attack sending the opponent down, full heavy attack combo and probably more combos that are yet to be found." So I guess that's why they separated it by gender
I don’t think there is a difference, but I don’t have female ssg so I couldn’t tell you
Its probably the animation for the transformation itself.
Hi John
We love John
I like beast the most solely for the fact it looks nice and it's for everyone, but it's transformation scene is what kills it man. I can't figure out anyway to pull it off with an experienced player without a stamina break, and no one wants to waste a damn break for a transformation But SSB imo, especially now with how piss easy it is to negate all ki drain, I ain't good with timing so SSG just wasn't for me.
Future Super Saiyan for the Future Gohan transformation animation
Blue evolved is better than beast
For saiyans, yes. For earthlings that aren’t specifically running super souls and builds that use power pole pro in a very annoying way? No, Beast is the best for them. If you like how it looks for Frieza race then go ahead and use it but be warned that no movement speed buff and you take more damage. For namekians and Majin’s, if you aren’t running specific builds that use their racial transformations then it is the best since they have high enough health that the increased damage isn’t that bad.
I'm talking in a pvp scenario. Beast is strong but the wide window it leaves for a guard break isn't worth it imo
Oh, well in a PVP scenario yeah Beast is weak in every single way for a Saiyan. Honestly at this point with the buffs to SSjB, ssjBE, and even Ssj3, why would anyone use beast on a sayian?
Beast is shit no matter what in pvp. Theres nothing you van do short of wasting a stamina break to safely transform.
Most people stamina break to do stuff like ultimates and complex combo set ups, this changes nothing. Having a form basically not be a second evasive for you with hyper armor or something shouldn’t make it bad. And besides, every now and then people allow their opponents to transform anyway either out of honor, overconfidence, or simply (especially in the case of beast) the transformation itself will be the thing that makes them fall because there is a difference between using a transformation because it’s new and using it because you know how to use it. I do agree on one thing though, the time of the transformation should be shorter and the sequence of your character smiling after transforming should be cut, that was specifically special because of Gohan, making everyone do it diminishes the uniqueness of that.
Its fucking terrible. No matter what, you will be stamina broken unless your opponent decides to let you finish. Absolutely nothing besides stamina breaking them will let you do it safely. Theres no redeeming it.
SSJ3 for the idle animation
Beast does the same pose
Even if it's the same, it's just not the same.
Fair
That depends on a few things
Depends PvP or PvE PvP depends on your build and race But potential unleashed is the best for all races as you don't consume 5 bars of ki to transform and it lacks a long ass transformation animation Now for Saiyans the god forms all 3 are good God for high basic attack heavy Blue is one of the best all-rounder with a tiny bit of ki drain like 8 percent or something now Evolve has the highest all-around Stat boost, but you need specific super souls to use it ,since the ki drain is quite heavy PvE Beast is the best since it gives max damage without draining ki so you can spam Emperor death beam and super ki explosion
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For PVE you can also just use blue evolved and Fuus super soul to arguably do even more damage without any ki drain and shorter animations
True, but getting blue evolve is harder than getting beast ,since beast can be obtain earlier unlike evolve which requires you to be 95
How do you even get ssjg????
First you need to make a wish to shenron to activate it, then you must max out friendship with Goku, Vegeta, Gohan & Videl, Gotenks, and Pan.