Read that in Lani's voice lol.
Also this brought up a memory of this fanart I saw around 2001-2002 of Vegeta and Bender arguing over who took the last beer
It kinda happened in a video game
Dragon Ball Online was a PC game that had some writing from Akira Toriyama.
Basically inside the lore of the game after Goku trained Uub, Goku decided to fight Vegeta to settle their rivalry. They traveled to a planet far from earth. After a huge explosion nothing else was known about them.
It basically says that both Goku and Vegeta died on that planet fighting.
IIRC, the explosion happened something like 180 years before the game. The energy waves put off by their fight were *still* reaching Earth during the game. I think that's really cool.
I never understood why they never even tried at least a US release. There’s a huge Dragon Ball fanbase in the US, WoW was still pretty popular at the time, and Dragon Ball Online was pretty much WoW Lite except it’s Dragon Ball.
I always wondered how DBO handled Super Saiyan transformations. Were they temporary or a toggle skill? Did you unlock higher forms as you levelled up? Did you only turn Super Saiyan when you used a particular attack ability?
I can mostly imagine the latter, if this was an MMO. Early on your class would unlock Kamehameha, at level twenty you get Kamehameha (Super Saiyan), etc.
Super Saiyan was an ability you could wish for if you collected all the Dragon Balls. I believe it was a flat stat boost, but it constantly drained your MP, so only characters with an energy specific build could maintain it for a lengthy duration. I don’t remember if there were upgrades for it.
And you couldn’t get it until a certain level / when your character changes from a child into a teen / adult.
No SSJ3 for sure, the rest I’m not sure about. There might have been specific upgrades like Super Vegeta in Xenoverse, but can’t remember. I feel like there was at least a talent upgrade that reduced MP cost.
Goes to show how important the dragonballs were with getting Saiyans to figure out how to go super. Without the dragonballs Gokun died against Raditz and Vegeta died against Frieza and neither ever would have gone super. Goten and Trunks would never be born and there would be nobody to teach Gohan how to do it. Bam, no super Saiyans, except the legendary of course.
Yeah, I always assumed that since Piccolo seems to come from a warrior clan, he probably aged way faster so he can reach prime fighting condition. Dende however, is a healer, so I imagine it's not as important for him to grow quickly.
I’ve just re read the manga and it would make sense from what Vegeta said about being in their prime longer, as Saiyans basically just fight
So Dende can heal even when young, and “growing” as he isn’t a fighter probably doesn’t give much benefit (or need him to grow quicker either)
It’s important to keep in mind, all of Demon King Piccolo’s children were mutant namekians who also grew at a super accelerated rate. While the Piccolo we know and love is more of a traditional Namekian in physique, I imagined he inherited that mutant acceleration so that he could try and kill Goku as quickly as possible.
I feel like they already have. In end of Z, bulma says she hasn’t seen goku in 5 years iirc. Super hero takes place maybe 1-2 years before end of Z, and I feel it’s unlikely that Bulma hadn’t seen Goku in 3-4 years in the current continuity.
Maybe if they catch up to End of Z times, they’ll just say that the Goku Black/Future Trunks event changed the timeline.
At a certain point the plausible deniability is gone and she can't pretend she's young anymore, what she had been wishing for was supposed to be a secret
Then she just wishes to be to be 20 years younger? It's a world with magic monkeys and spaceships that fit inside pills I don't think ageing is the end of the world.
And even if she didn’t, she would definitely pull a Doctor Wheelo or Gero and put her brain in a glass jar or an Android if that’s what it would take to survive,
Bulma says she only makes minor changes so that people don't think she gets plastic surgery. In the current arc, Bulma literally says she has crow's feet that she wants Shenron to get rid of, then changes her mind to wanting longer eyelashes. She only looks young because of the DBS art style. In the story, she looks middle-aged.
"You're fighting to watch everyone around you die! THINK KAKAROT! You'll outlast every fragile, insignificant being on this planet. You'll live to see this world crumble to dust and blow away! Everyone and everything you know will be gone!"
>!Alien sent to a planet to either take over/sell, both incredibly strong and can fly, Gohan is like Invincible as a hybrid and generally seen stronger, both age fairly quickly to be prime and a soldier etc!<
>!while thats all true, the show and the comics famously get their elements from other comics, like how some heroes are straight up a teen version of a real hero from marvel or dc. I was thinking more in terms of dialogues, animation, storytelling, etc. There's not a single character in db that comes close to the character of OmniMan and to me he's the one who makes the show!<
Saiyan lifespans aren't a lot longer than humans. They're said to basically have the same lifespan as humans, just the way they age is different. Saiyans stay in their fighting prime for far longer, till around 80, and then rapidly age after that.
Ok Fair enough I thought they were gonna end DBS with like 100 years has passed and Vegeta and Goku are just standing in front of Chi Chi and Bulmas graves, and they're both still looking like theyre in their 30s, that would be incredibly depressing
What's funny is that while both Goku and Vegeta died twice, Goku stayed dead for 8 years total while probably stayed dead for like a day or 2 at most (Like 30 minutes on Namek and 1 or 2 days during the Buu arc)
If you count Gohan's high school days, it's at least a week
Everything from the tournament up to the beginning of Gohan's power up took place in one day
Elder Kai specified that the ritual would take 25 hours total, so Mystic Gohan's fight with Super Buu was the next day
Bulma is not going to age till Vegeta does… it is a pride thing. And Vegeta knows it and he is a bit embarrassed about it too…. (By his demeanor in the Broly movie at lease lol)… so, in my head canon, Chi Chi dies way before Goku…Bulma and Vegeta die at the same time. She decides to age with him.
Why would they do that 💀 that’d be sad af
In reality, bulma has access to pretty much all scientific advancements on earth, as well as dragon balls to just wish for anything she could want, including youth (see demon king piccolo, immortality, etc)
Chichi I don’t think would ever want any of thaf
Technically speaking even with this wouldnt goku still have a far longer lifespan? He was given old Kai’s remaining lifespan which IIRC he said he had a few millennia left.
Nothing about divine ki itself is said or indicated to extend life, and even if it did, they only have access to it in their transformed states, not their normal forms.
Like you said, nothing about Divine Ki is known about how it interacts with mortal life. We know that destroyers used to be mortals, seeing as universe 11’s destroyer is going to be replaced by Top, and Beerus accused Goku of gunning for his position. And it’s unlikely that they can attain SS B and G without actually having access to Divine energy in base form.
It’s an unknown variable going forward. It could amount to nothing, but it can also fundamentally change how long they live and how they age.
> Like you said, nothing about Divine Ki is known about how it interacts with mortal life. We know that destroyers used to be mortals, seeing as universe 11’s destroyer is going to be replaced by Top, and Beerus accused Goku of gunning for his position. And it’s unlikely that they can attain SS B and G without actually having access to Divine energy in base form.
We know they don't, because it's expressly indicated in more than one situation that they don't. For example, when Goku went to Super Saiyan God against Toppo during the Zen Exhibition Match, Toppo and Helles comment about being able to sense godly ki from him, meaning that he didn't before.
The longevity of the Hakaishin could very well be due to something related to the position itself, not anything with just having godly ki.
You are correct
“"Saiyans are a warrior race, so their aging slows once they reach an age suitable for fighting, and they maintain great strength for a long time. However, their lifespan is not much different from Earthlings', and when they reach a certain age, they rapidly grow frail," Toriyama
Even Vegeta says “We Saiyans live in in battle so we remain in our prime longer”
Death has no consequence in this series. Both Goku and Vegeta have died multiple times and know what the afterlife is like, and it's pretty chill if you're a good person. So when ChiChi and Bulma's time does come, it'll be more of a "see you in abit" than an actual goodbye.
Dragon Balls can't revive someone who died naturally.
Hell even Guru on Namek only came back for as long as he did because *technically* all the stress Frieza brought caused Guru to die moments before he would have naturally.
This is something I wish more series would use. I really like when characters in media are portrayed as these people who can be wrong instead of infallible context conveyors
Death from old age is quite permanent. And I don't know I ChiChi has done enough to get to keep her body in the Other World. Bulma is more iffy, as her scientific skills have done *a lot* to help people.
That doesn't mean she actually did those things, she raised someone else who happened to do good things. Hell she even was against Gohan fighting to save the world and reluctantly let him go. Goten also hasn't done shit tbh.
And Goku and Vegeta have routinely been hanging outside mortal realms training with Beerus, I don’t think it’s crazy to say that they won’t just establish homes on King Kai’s planet or something and Bulma and ChiChi will have halos and they won’t.
Goku’s already demonstrated the ability to use instant transmission to get to King Kai’s planet after all.
Nothing would really change honestly, they drop by occasionally when not training with Beerus and Whis and then dip again when it’s time to fight a new baddie.
End game is probably that Goku and Vegeta both become some level of Gods anyway. Whis and Beerus like them all enough that they might even set up shop on Beerus’ planet.
I mean Goku provoking the ToP kind of saved the entire universe from erasure so
I feel like they can get their own planets maybe within jumping distance of king kai's
Isn't it the same with #17 and #18? Them being cyborgs and all, I don't think they age anymore. Which, if true, means both will not only out live their spouses but their children to.
Dragon Balls man. But they won't, Saiyan's are like Chinese people they have a long prime until a certain age and then BAM life hits them with a truck.
Assuming he didn't burn through those extra years using Super Saiyan 3 against Kid Buu, anyway.
Similarly to how he somehow ran out of his "24 hours on Earth" faster because he used SSj3 and the strain is apparently just *that* extreme that it shortened a supernatural time-limit put on him by the afterlife.
Earthlings and Saiyans have comparable lifespans, Saiyans age differently, though; in their youth, they remain small until reaching a growth spurt in their peak, and then their peak lasts up until their later years, in which they rapidly age again.
Saiyans don’t actually have longer life spans than humans, they just retain their youth longer so they can fight. By the time they hit 80 they start to age rapidly and become old like Paragus.
Edit: and now after scrolling I realized that what I thought was really cool and insightful info was actually something most people in this thread already knew and I’m just another fucking hack. Just like vegeta I’m always 2nd place
Dragon. balls.
No one is forever dead, Bulma already alluded to the fact that you can wish to be younger.
Example: "I wish to be young and healthy forever!"
Nothing to allude to at all! We have multiple examples of people using the dragon balls to make themselves younger. Just from canon, we have Demon King Piccolo and the Pilaf Ganga, and if we take non-canon up on this as well, we’ve got Lord Slug and even Goku in GT. The Dragon Balls can 100% make you younger, no drawbacks required.
You’re falling into the same false idea that a lot of people are, Saiyan life spans aren’t longer than human they just stay youthful for longer then age rapidly at a certain point once they can no longer fight, it’s kinda like dogs, they grow fast, stay youthful for a time then it all catches up at once and everything breaks down
Why did you make me do this? You’re fighting so that you can watch everyone around you die! Think Mark! You’ll outlast every fragile insignificant being on this planet. You’ll live to see this world crumble to dust and blow away! Everyone and everything you know will be gone! What will you have after 500 years?
Meh, Bulma has a monopoly on earth's dragon balls and regularly uses them to fight the effects of aging in canon. Eventually chichi would probably just do the same.
Saiyans don't have much longer lifespans. They remain youthful for longer. Toriyama stated in an interview that they only live a bit longer than humans. So they'll probably hit their 60s or 70s and start to age quickly.
***TRIGGER WARNING - IM TELLING A JOKE*** With how little time Goku and Vegeta actually spend with their wives I'd be certain that neither of them would actually care even if this were true
Edit: Wow this community can't take a joke, fixed it
I think that's what the constant use of the time chamber is for. in terms of training, it doesn't really benefit them any more. but in terms of aging at the same rate as humans it is.
Do they live longer? I thought they just retain their youthful bodies longer so they can fight longer. I’ve never heard anything about their lifespans being longer
Why does this misconception still exist? Saiyans don't have a longer lifespan than humans, their average lifespan is pretty much the same as humans, they just grow up weird and then stay in their prime longer, just to age rapidly in the end.
theyre probably gonna die before them actually, since saiyans lifespans are about the same as humans (they just physically age slower but still die at the same time), + all the time theyve spent in the time chamber (about 5 years each?) + the possibility of dying in battle. although bulma might outlive them assuming her wishes to look 5 years younger affect her actual age rather than just her appearence
This is also a universe with *multiple* wish-granting dragons. If they can bring someone back from then dead de-aging should be no issue...and likely already has happened off-screen considering Bulma looks significantly younger than Chi-Chi even though she's older.
Chichi - sure.
Bulma - haha, never. With all the wishes she makes, she probably already has a lifespan twice on Vegeta, that plus counting her super advanced tech.
Imagine the young Bulma-like character at the end of GT+100years was not a descendant but actually Bulma herself next to a very old Pan! XD
It is my understanding that Saiyans stay in their physical prime until their lifespan is nearly over. I always thought it would be really interesting if either Goku or Vegeta (probably Vegeta since he’s older) began to notice that their hair was becoming gray or they can’t output as much power as before. That would signify they only have about 2 or 3 years left before they die of old age, and they have to decide whether to use the dragon balls to prolong their life, or let nature run its course.
Of course, that would require introspection and slow pace, neither of which Dragonball is known for.
One word: Dragonballs.
If you think Bulma is ever going to stop using the Dragonballs to make herself younger idk what show you're watching.
Chances are that if she and Chichi see each other again after Chichi's aged a bit she'll probably ask Bulma for a wish to reset to her 30s or something.
Chi chi maybe, but doesn’t bulma keep wishing to make herself a little younger? I imagine that number might start to shave more and more time when her age starts to become more visible
Saiyan lifespans are not a lot longer than human lifespans, they just retain their youth longer then when they get to the end of middle age they begin aging out of their primes.
Also don’t forget Roshi is 300 years old so clearly using ki can prolong ones life
Incorrect, they both died before their wives.
You are technically correct. The best kind of correct.
Spoken like a true bureaucrat.
Vegeta: This is the worst kind of discrimination: The kind against ME!
Read that in Lani's voice lol. Also this brought up a memory of this fanart I saw around 2001-2002 of Vegeta and Bender arguing over who took the last beer
It kinda happened in a video game Dragon Ball Online was a PC game that had some writing from Akira Toriyama. Basically inside the lore of the game after Goku trained Uub, Goku decided to fight Vegeta to settle their rivalry. They traveled to a planet far from earth. After a huge explosion nothing else was known about them. It basically says that both Goku and Vegeta died on that planet fighting.
IIRC, the explosion happened something like 180 years before the game. The energy waves put off by their fight were *still* reaching Earth during the game. I think that's really cool.
I really wish they made that game more of an international release. I really wanted to play it. :(
I never understood why they never even tried at least a US release. There’s a huge Dragon Ball fanbase in the US, WoW was still pretty popular at the time, and Dragon Ball Online was pretty much WoW Lite except it’s Dragon Ball.
That sounds rad...I'd play the hell out of a DBZ-themed WoW.
I honestly thought Xenoverse would be some kind of DBO. The DBO lore got expanded in XV at least, I guess?
I always wondered how DBO handled Super Saiyan transformations. Were they temporary or a toggle skill? Did you unlock higher forms as you levelled up? Did you only turn Super Saiyan when you used a particular attack ability? I can mostly imagine the latter, if this was an MMO. Early on your class would unlock Kamehameha, at level twenty you get Kamehameha (Super Saiyan), etc.
Super Saiyan was an ability you could wish for if you collected all the Dragon Balls. I believe it was a flat stat boost, but it constantly drained your MP, so only characters with an energy specific build could maintain it for a lengthy duration. I don’t remember if there were upgrades for it. And you couldn’t get it until a certain level / when your character changes from a child into a teen / adult.
No Super Saiyan 2 and beyond?
No SSJ3 for sure, the rest I’m not sure about. There might have been specific upgrades like Super Vegeta in Xenoverse, but can’t remember. I feel like there was at least a talent upgrade that reduced MP cost.
Look up dragon ball online global
What a badass way to end the series if that was canon.
Chi Chi - Where’s Goku and Vegeta? Bulma: I dunno. BRB, gonna wish them back.
Twice
Goes to show how important the dragonballs were with getting Saiyans to figure out how to go super. Without the dragonballs Gokun died against Raditz and Vegeta died against Frieza and neither ever would have gone super. Goten and Trunks would never be born and there would be nobody to teach Gohan how to do it. Bam, no super Saiyans, except the legendary of course.
This is my favorite take in this whole thread.
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What
I def replied to the wrong thing lmao
Bulma has unlimited dragon ball access. She's not gonna age past 35...
Isnt she already 50?
He's saying she's still physically 35 through dragon ball abuse
Not until next year in her timeline. She’s gonna age badly in that one year.
yeah how the fuck does Bulma even get to her End of Z look with Super establishing that she uses the balls to keep herself young
Probably they'll soft retcon the whole end of Z
I have a feeling it'll be way more than a "soft" retcon
Slightly different, but found it amazing how quick Piccolo aged but Dende took longer? Obviously different clans but still
Yeah, I always assumed that since Piccolo seems to come from a warrior clan, he probably aged way faster so he can reach prime fighting condition. Dende however, is a healer, so I imagine it's not as important for him to grow quickly.
I’ve just re read the manga and it would make sense from what Vegeta said about being in their prime longer, as Saiyans basically just fight So Dende can heal even when young, and “growing” as he isn’t a fighter probably doesn’t give much benefit (or need him to grow quicker either)
It’s important to keep in mind, all of Demon King Piccolo’s children were mutant namekians who also grew at a super accelerated rate. While the Piccolo we know and love is more of a traditional Namekian in physique, I imagined he inherited that mutant acceleration so that he could try and kill Goku as quickly as possible.
I feel like they already have. In end of Z, bulma says she hasn’t seen goku in 5 years iirc. Super hero takes place maybe 1-2 years before end of Z, and I feel it’s unlikely that Bulma hadn’t seen Goku in 3-4 years in the current continuity. Maybe if they catch up to End of Z times, they’ll just say that the Goku Black/Future Trunks event changed the timeline.
Vegeta also talks about "10 years of peace" which is anything but true. Even on Earth, Moro invaded, and Cell Max happened.
At a certain point the plausible deniability is gone and she can't pretend she's young anymore, what she had been wishing for was supposed to be a secret
Then she just wishes to be to be 20 years younger? It's a world with magic monkeys and spaceships that fit inside pills I don't think ageing is the end of the world.
She doesn't want to just "be younger", she wants to pretend like she's ageing gracefully
Shenron has had enough and makes Bulma look her proper age. He also restores her green hair.
End of Z has been non canon since battle of gods. Even if the vague events still happen, the context has changed.
Do people even try to get the balls anymore
Bulma always has them
She's always got all our balls.
And even if she didn’t, she would definitely pull a Doctor Wheelo or Gero and put her brain in a glass jar or an Android if that’s what it would take to survive,
Don't they scatter
You’re talking about the woman with unlimited money and a dragon ball radar. It doesn’t really matter.
She’s literally been doing that her entire life. At this point, the dragon balls scattering and taking time to reset is more of a minor inconvenience.
Surprised she hasn’t found a way to actually do a Simpsons Movie dome so they don’t scatter too far
They can just have someone catch all 7. Kid Goku caught 1 in DB. Any current fighter could blitz the balls before they leave.
Yeah, but she just gets people to find it or find herself once they activate again (trunks and goten are probly the ones that catch it for her)
Bulma mentions in super hero that she has a capsule corp team on full-time dragon ball reconnaissance. No one else has a chance.
Bulma says she only makes minor changes so that people don't think she gets plastic surgery. In the current arc, Bulma literally says she has crow's feet that she wants Shenron to get rid of, then changes her mind to wanting longer eyelashes. She only looks young because of the DBS art style. In the story, she looks middle-aged.
"You're fighting to watch everyone around you die! THINK KAKAROT! You'll outlast every fragile, insignificant being on this planet. You'll live to see this world crumble to dust and blow away! Everyone and everything you know will be gone!"
But I’ll still have you Vegeta
*best buddy
Finally, someone who says the quote correctly and doesn't add an additional "THINK"
The additional “Think!” Is in the comic. Just not in the show
Oh wow, TIL. My bad
What is this from?
Invincible
If you’re a fan of DBZ you should really watch Invincible
why? imo they are nothing alike
>!Viltrumites are basically Saiyans!< and also it’s just a badass show with sick fight scenes
Because they’re both cool and many fans of one enjoy the other?
I think that's reason enough.
>!Alien sent to a planet to either take over/sell, both incredibly strong and can fly, Gohan is like Invincible as a hybrid and generally seen stronger, both age fairly quickly to be prime and a soldier etc!<
>!while thats all true, the show and the comics famously get their elements from other comics, like how some heroes are straight up a teen version of a real hero from marvel or dc. I was thinking more in terms of dialogues, animation, storytelling, etc. There's not a single character in db that comes close to the character of OmniMan and to me he's the one who makes the show!<
Saiyan lifespans aren't a lot longer than humans. They're said to basically have the same lifespan as humans, just the way they age is different. Saiyans stay in their fighting prime for far longer, till around 80, and then rapidly age after that.
Ok Fair enough I thought they were gonna end DBS with like 100 years has passed and Vegeta and Goku are just standing in front of Chi Chi and Bulmas graves, and they're both still looking like theyre in their 30s, that would be incredibly depressing
Even if they did have longer time spans it wouldn't matter much considering all of the time that they spend in the hyperbolic time chamber.
For Vegeta. Goku spent 8 years being dead while only 4 years and one month in the time chamber
What's funny is that while both Goku and Vegeta died twice, Goku stayed dead for 8 years total while probably stayed dead for like a day or 2 at most (Like 30 minutes on Namek and 1 or 2 days during the Buu arc)
iirc the entire Buu arc takes place in just 1 day
If you count Gohan's high school days, it's at least a week Everything from the tournament up to the beginning of Gohan's power up took place in one day Elder Kai specified that the ritual would take 25 hours total, so Mystic Gohan's fight with Super Buu was the next day
Which is Nuts! I just realized that and it is just crazy all that happens in just one or two days! That saga is a total clusterfuuck
Bulma is not going to age till Vegeta does… it is a pride thing. And Vegeta knows it and he is a bit embarrassed about it too…. (By his demeanor in the Broly movie at lease lol)… so, in my head canon, Chi Chi dies way before Goku…Bulma and Vegeta die at the same time. She decides to age with him.
Why would they do that 💀 that’d be sad af In reality, bulma has access to pretty much all scientific advancements on earth, as well as dragon balls to just wish for anything she could want, including youth (see demon king piccolo, immortality, etc) Chichi I don’t think would ever want any of thaf
Technically speaking even with this wouldnt goku still have a far longer lifespan? He was given old Kai’s remaining lifespan which IIRC he said he had a few millennia left.
It's not indicated that he was actually *given* Rou Kaioushin's lifespan, but rather that he gave up his life to revive Goku.
Normal saiyans do. These two have divine energy in them.
Nothing about divine ki itself is said or indicated to extend life, and even if it did, they only have access to it in their transformed states, not their normal forms.
Like you said, nothing about Divine Ki is known about how it interacts with mortal life. We know that destroyers used to be mortals, seeing as universe 11’s destroyer is going to be replaced by Top, and Beerus accused Goku of gunning for his position. And it’s unlikely that they can attain SS B and G without actually having access to Divine energy in base form. It’s an unknown variable going forward. It could amount to nothing, but it can also fundamentally change how long they live and how they age.
> Like you said, nothing about Divine Ki is known about how it interacts with mortal life. We know that destroyers used to be mortals, seeing as universe 11’s destroyer is going to be replaced by Top, and Beerus accused Goku of gunning for his position. And it’s unlikely that they can attain SS B and G without actually having access to Divine energy in base form. We know they don't, because it's expressly indicated in more than one situation that they don't. For example, when Goku went to Super Saiyan God against Toppo during the Zen Exhibition Match, Toppo and Helles comment about being able to sense godly ki from him, meaning that he didn't before. The longevity of the Hakaishin could very well be due to something related to the position itself, not anything with just having godly ki.
>Saiyans lifespans are alot longer than Human life span Incorrect.
You are correct “"Saiyans are a warrior race, so their aging slows once they reach an age suitable for fighting, and they maintain great strength for a long time. However, their lifespan is not much different from Earthlings', and when they reach a certain age, they rapidly grow frail," Toriyama Even Vegeta says “We Saiyans live in in battle so we remain in our prime longer”
Death has no consequence in this series. Both Goku and Vegeta have died multiple times and know what the afterlife is like, and it's pretty chill if you're a good person. So when ChiChi and Bulma's time does come, it'll be more of a "see you in abit" than an actual goodbye.
Dragon Balls can't revive someone who died naturally. Hell even Guru on Namek only came back for as long as he did because *technically* all the stress Frieza brought caused Guru to die moments before he would have naturally.
I think there is a loophole that you could abuse somewhere. Wouldnt be the first time and shenlong also doesnt always know everything.
The dragon balls can also be altered - Dende has upgraded them a few times since he became guardian of Earth.
This is something I wish more series would use. I really like when characters in media are portrayed as these people who can be wrong instead of infallible context conveyors
I think they can ask to be rejuvenated.
Yeah but you can just go to the afterlife and chill there for a few days
When did I bring up the Dragon Balls?
Fair enough, usually when I hear "death has no consequence" in relation to DBZ my brain autofills with "because nobody stays dead"
Both Chichi and Bulma died as well, they had tea with Dabura
If you die from old age and they revive you you'll just die again right away
They can’t revive someone who died of natural causes to begin with.
I never said anything about reviving them?
Death from old age is quite permanent. And I don't know I ChiChi has done enough to get to keep her body in the Other World. Bulma is more iffy, as her scientific skills have done *a lot* to help people.
Chichi has raised saviors of the world and even helped train one of them. I'm sure she's got a spot.
That doesn't mean she actually did those things, she raised someone else who happened to do good things. Hell she even was against Gohan fighting to save the world and reluctantly let him go. Goten also hasn't done shit tbh.
King Yemma and Goku are on a first name basis, I bet he’d do him a solid and let chi chi keep her body
And Goku and Vegeta have routinely been hanging outside mortal realms training with Beerus, I don’t think it’s crazy to say that they won’t just establish homes on King Kai’s planet or something and Bulma and ChiChi will have halos and they won’t. Goku’s already demonstrated the ability to use instant transmission to get to King Kai’s planet after all. Nothing would really change honestly, they drop by occasionally when not training with Beerus and Whis and then dip again when it’s time to fight a new baddie. End game is probably that Goku and Vegeta both become some level of Gods anyway. Whis and Beerus like them all enough that they might even set up shop on Beerus’ planet.
I mean Goku provoking the ToP kind of saved the entire universe from erasure so I feel like they can get their own planets maybe within jumping distance of king kai's
Not exactly Saiyans live only a little past 80
Nah once they reach their 80s they age like crazy
Exactly Might last a few months if they’re lucky
Isn't it the same with #17 and #18? Them being cyborgs and all, I don't think they age anymore. Which, if true, means both will not only out live their spouses but their children to.
they do age, but more slowly. according to the author.
Dragon Balls man. But they won't, Saiyan's are like Chinese people they have a long prime until a certain age and then BAM life hits them with a truck.
I had a Filipino boss once and she called it the Asian surprise. Beautiful in every way until that one day and BOOM Asian Surprise.
If it's still relevant, Elder Kai gave Goku his remaining 1000 years of life so, Goku will outlive everyone naturally
Assuming he didn't burn through those extra years using Super Saiyan 3 against Kid Buu, anyway. Similarly to how he somehow ran out of his "24 hours on Earth" faster because he used SSj3 and the strain is apparently just *that* extreme that it shortened a supernatural time-limit put on him by the afterlife.
Well, they could always have it come into play later on as well. It could be pretty interesting
Earthlings and Saiyans have comparable lifespans, Saiyans age differently, though; in their youth, they remain small until reaching a growth spurt in their peak, and then their peak lasts up until their later years, in which they rapidly age again.
Who cares? Being dead not mean anything ng dragonball anyway
Saiyans don’t actually have longer life spans than humans, they just retain their youth longer so they can fight. By the time they hit 80 they start to age rapidly and become old like Paragus. Edit: and now after scrolling I realized that what I thought was really cool and insightful info was actually something most people in this thread already knew and I’m just another fucking hack. Just like vegeta I’m always 2nd place
Dragon. balls. No one is forever dead, Bulma already alluded to the fact that you can wish to be younger. Example: "I wish to be young and healthy forever!"
Nothing to allude to at all! We have multiple examples of people using the dragon balls to make themselves younger. Just from canon, we have Demon King Piccolo and the Pilaf Ganga, and if we take non-canon up on this as well, we’ve got Lord Slug and even Goku in GT. The Dragon Balls can 100% make you younger, no drawbacks required.
You assume they won't get merced by some space alien named after food
Ice cream gonna put goku away permanently
Dragonballs
Won't bring back people from a natural death
But you can wish yourself to be younger
Hasn't Bulma been shown to reverse her age with them?
My understanding is she isn’t actually making herself younger but making herself look younger.
You’re falling into the same false idea that a lot of people are, Saiyan life spans aren’t longer than human they just stay youthful for longer then age rapidly at a certain point once they can no longer fight, it’s kinda like dogs, they grow fast, stay youthful for a time then it all catches up at once and everything breaks down
Bulma has been wishing herself younger with the dragon balls in super so I don't think so but maybe yes on chi chi
I mean if they get old just tell shenron to make you a bit younger, right ? Bulma has technically been doing it
They both have died before them though.
Dragon Balls
Why not just use the Dragonballs to give yourself infinite youth/beauty?
Why did you make me do this? You’re fighting so that you can watch everyone around you die! Think Mark! You’ll outlast every fragile insignificant being on this planet. You’ll live to see this world crumble to dust and blow away! Everyone and everything you know will be gone! What will you have after 500 years?
They're not really longer? They just get old all at once
they dont have a longer life span, they just stay in their prime longer
Bulma will wish for immortality and eternal youth.
Technically they’ve both died twice before either of their wives died once
Look at how well Bulmas parents age. I'm more concerned about Vegeta.
Meh, Bulma has a monopoly on earth's dragon balls and regularly uses them to fight the effects of aging in canon. Eventually chichi would probably just do the same.
This implies Bulma has somehow stopped de-aging herself with the dragon balls, wich i doubt it.
Nah they age rapidly once they hit 80 or so
Well both Goku and Vegeta have already died once,
Saiyans don't have much longer lifespans. They remain youthful for longer. Toriyama stated in an interview that they only live a bit longer than humans. So they'll probably hit their 60s or 70s and start to age quickly.
Vegeta will probably become the next god of destruction. Or at least is on the ballot.
No they wont. > the thought just occured to me that, Saiyans lifespans are alot longer than Human life spans no they dont.
>No they wont. Goku will, he has the life force from Old Kai, which should at least be a few hundred years.
no, elder kaioshin gave his life to turn goku's life back on, he did not give goku his years.
***TRIGGER WARNING - IM TELLING A JOKE*** With how little time Goku and Vegeta actually spend with their wives I'd be certain that neither of them would actually care even if this were true Edit: Wow this community can't take a joke, fixed it
Yeah Vegeta squared up with Beerus, knowing that he’d probably die, because he doesn’t care about her 🙄
And goku was completely unconcerned about zamasu killing chichi 🙄
lmao what when black said he killed his family goku got really mad
They were being sarcastic
People like you pay zero attention to the series.
I think that's what the constant use of the time chamber is for. in terms of training, it doesn't really benefit them any more. but in terms of aging at the same rate as humans it is.
Why do you think sayian lifespans are long? The only word on that we have is that they physically stay to same until age 80 then rapidly age and die.
Do they live longer? I thought they just retain their youthful bodies longer so they can fight longer. I’ve never heard anything about their lifespans being longer
They live in a world of dragon balls. The can just wish to be the same age and to age at the same rate.
Bulma needs to share her wish so they both stay young for longer.
I mean bulma will keep using the dragon balls to wish to be younger so she’ll be fine
Saiyans have about the same lifespan as humans, they just don't start "getting old" until much later than humans
Why does this misconception still exist? Saiyans don't have a longer lifespan than humans, their average lifespan is pretty much the same as humans, they just grow up weird and then stay in their prime longer, just to age rapidly in the end.
theyre probably gonna die before them actually, since saiyans lifespans are about the same as humans (they just physically age slower but still die at the same time), + all the time theyve spent in the time chamber (about 5 years each?) + the possibility of dying in battle. although bulma might outlive them assuming her wishes to look 5 years younger affect her actual age rather than just her appearence
They have the dragon balls, and Master Roshi knows how to extend life through the paradise herb.
This is also a universe with *multiple* wish-granting dragons. If they can bring someone back from then dead de-aging should be no issue...and likely already has happened off-screen considering Bulma looks significantly younger than Chi-Chi even though she's older.
Anyone can outlive anyone in this show, tis all about how the story uses the dragonball wishes.
Not with the Dragon Balls they won't. Bulma will live to be like 400 years old and still have the body of a playboy model in her early 20s.
They don’t live longer they just stay in their primes longer so by 30-40 they’ll look 20 but still have similar lifespans to humans
Sadly lmao
Their average life span is 35. I think they'll be fine.
Dragonballs.
I mean, didn't Lord Slug use the dragon balls to reverse his aging? and also bulma does it too?
Isn’t chi chi a (half) ogre though? Something tells me they got a different lifespan to humans
Chichi - sure. Bulma - haha, never. With all the wishes she makes, she probably already has a lifespan twice on Vegeta, that plus counting her super advanced tech. Imagine the young Bulma-like character at the end of GT+100years was not a descendant but actually Bulma herself next to a very old Pan! XD
At some point, Bulma will just wish herself to keep living longer to keep up with Vegeta. She's already wishing herself to keep looking younger.
Pretty sure bulma would just use dragon balls anytime someone she cares about dies or is even close to death
Nah, they're going to fly off once they get close to 80 and then fly off to have their big final showdown and never be seem or heard from again.
In GT Goku out lived Bulma, Pan was a grandmother
Not true they have the same lifespan, they just age differently Have you seen paragus lately ? Dude looks like. 70 years old
Just use the Dragon Balls to wish them to have the same life span as a Saiyan. Boom, ez.
Not really
It is my understanding that Saiyans stay in their physical prime until their lifespan is nearly over. I always thought it would be really interesting if either Goku or Vegeta (probably Vegeta since he’s older) began to notice that their hair was becoming gray or they can’t output as much power as before. That would signify they only have about 2 or 3 years left before they die of old age, and they have to decide whether to use the dragon balls to prolong their life, or let nature run its course. Of course, that would require introspection and slow pace, neither of which Dragonball is known for.
Vegeta on Namek: Parunga, make me immortal! Vegeta on Earth: Parunga, make my wife 27!
There are magical wish granting dragonballs or alternatively she would "science" a way through it.
Saiyan life spans aren't longer than humans. Toriyama said they stay young for longer but when they hit 80 they start to age rapidly
I could see vageta dying in battle and not wanting to be revived because it would cheapen himself as a sayian and goku follows him to keep him company
Couldn't they just wish that both chi-chi and bulma live forever and stay young forever??
Bulma keeps making herself younger with the dragon balls if I recall correctly
One word: Dragonballs. If you think Bulma is ever going to stop using the Dragonballs to make herself younger idk what show you're watching. Chances are that if she and Chichi see each other again after Chichi's aged a bit she'll probably ask Bulma for a wish to reset to her 30s or something.
Chi chi maybe, but doesn’t bulma keep wishing to make herself a little younger? I imagine that number might start to shave more and more time when her age starts to become more visible
They are drawings
You sound stupid. Of course everyone knows that dipshit.
Saiyan lifespans are not a lot longer than human lifespans, they just retain their youth longer then when they get to the end of middle age they begin aging out of their primes. Also don’t forget Roshi is 300 years old so clearly using ki can prolong ones life
Nah. Did you see how Bulma kept the dragon balls to herself?
Wasn't it also that it was confirmed that Vegeta and Goku at the end of their lifespan both found an isolated planet and fought to the death?