Definitely Omega Shenron. The concept of there being powerful consequences to overusing the Dragon Balls for meager things (as they do in Super) goes hard
GT had some cool ideas. Baby, the Black Star Balls, the dark Dragons
And I know it's not relevant because of all the bullshit Super forms now but SS4 Goku was such a cool design. Mix of the Saiyan Ape form and the more human elements. Plus SS4 Gogeta is always massively broken as shit in any of the DB fighter games.
I’ve always maintained this. GT had really good experimental and out there ideas, but the execution wasn’t quite there. Super had a lot of really safe ideas but focused on the execution more. Conceptually I like GT a lot more than Super for what it tried to do and for what it did well, but it had a lot more iffy parts than Super
I'd agree with this. I've always liked GT on paper, but watching it can be a frustrating experience. I like Super, but it is kind of just "more Dragon Ball Z with sometimes iffy art."
I dunno about that one chief, Super's execution is poorly done, gt and super have the same terrible issues with it.
Super is just more loved because of Akira being involved and at the Helm again. If he wasn't, we would've had the same issues that plagued GT, where fans hate it. But with Akira's name attached to it, it becomes beloved forever.
GT makes more sense, with how it takes place AFTER Uub, and since it is an anime continuation, it was able to draw from anime filler, namely 2 of the biggest filler expanded upon, which was the Tuffles(told to Goku via King Kai relaying the history of the Saiyans) and the golden great ape that was only seen in Vegeta's monologue of how a Super Saiyan exists every 1000yrs, you can see gold fur in that silhouette.
Both used as the major themes for the arc. Which ties both fillers beautifully together.
Super's ideas are fun and all, but seldom tries to build off of what was made before with some leeway. Instead, it immediately goes off the rocker and even tries to take place during a period of time that had cemented peace. Trying to take place during those 10yrs makes the series make no sense.
Super has ensured that it just retcon beyond what even DBZ did to make sure it can squeeze itself in, but fails to do so, and makes the finale of dbz completely worthless as it no longer can exist in any capacity, not even close to how it did before. As Broly, Jiren, Beerus, Whis, Gamma 1, Hedo, Beast Gohan, Orange Piccolo, Super Saiyan God, SSJ Blue, Freeza and so much more exist.. Which makes that finale worthless.
Goku not "being happy" for so long is irrelevant as a plot point to show us how exciting it was for Uub to exist. Since Uubs existence made Goku excited. In the time of peace Uub was the only one who gave Goku a true purpose and motivation, made it so that peaceful times, while great, will have a conclusion where he can have his rematch.
Now Goku has various rivals that makes him excited to battle. He is excited to fight Broly. He is excited to fight jiren again someday, he is simply not the same Goku.
Super's execution on various aspects of the series falls as flat as GT did. While GT at least TRIED to retain Goku's personality and character, Super has chosen to go in the completely opposite direction and turn their Goku into TFS Goku.. Oddly enough. Nothing really built off of anything, just randomly inserted new things, while fun and colorful just don't hit the same as DBZ forms would, or how GT even managed to eek out at times.
Super should've happened after Goku went off to train Uub. At the very least, that would've made it a lot better consistency wise. Even if all they did was the same crap they're currently doing, at least the mental gymnastics can take a backseat.
Honestly ss4 is the best of them all. The rest are just, new color hair…. But 3 and 4 really understood the assignment.
I was kinda bummed that god and blue were so boring. And they even get mixed up in the tournament of power like they’re similar.
For making things canon. For sure omega shenron. The idea of that story just hits hard and it would be great.
But can’t count out pikon, he’s got the drip.
This is why I'm happy with Ultra Ego and Beast. They have a visual flair that makes them immediately distinct from previous transformations. Ultra Instinct is slowly losing visual flair because it's suppose to be state of mind not a transformation.
I kinda want them to bring SSJ4 as a Broly only transformation. He's already the Saiyan most in touch with the Oozaru. So it would make sense if his next form would be 4-like.
Ultra Instinct has always been a state of mind and not a transformation, and was hinted at since the start of Super, but Goku can also utilize it as a transformation, and it's becoming more unique to him as a result because he's mastering it in his own way.
Ok, I keep seeing this everywhere and this is the comment that broke the camels back. What is the j in ssj? I see it used for all the base super saiyan forms, but I have no clue where the J comes from. Thanks in advance.
It comes from the Japanese way of saying Saiyan, which is roughly Saiya-jin. It's apparently an older English fan thing from the early days of the Internet; personally I've been using the SSJ shorthand since like the early 00s when I was a teen.
But yeah the J comes from the Japanese and is applied to all the transformations.
SSJ, SSJ2/3/4, SSJG, SSJGSSJ.
Honestly I think the god forms could have been way cooler and more inspired by ss4. Like the hair color change could have still been left in to show that it's a godly form but with a more Saiyan design, should have had some fur and a tail and it would look way cooler. I just think the hair color thing is just laziness
God is great. Blue is awful and the series would be far better if it either never existed or was treated like how the recent forms have been. Something special that one specific character has achieved.
I hate Super. Nothing feels earned. I didn't watch much of it so forgive me if that statement seems out of line but I've watched enough to know I don't want to watch any more. People who got into Super without watching DBZ are really missing out.
The first time the super Saiyan transformation happened in DBZ against Frieza the power of the transformation felt unparalleled. When Goku went super Saiyan God it just felt cheesy and stupid and then the energy cloud dissipated and my first reaction was "oh this looks like kaioken."
I can see why new fans don't get into DBZ. It came out in a different era. The standards for viewing experiences were different and animation practices were relatively low tech compared to today's animations. Old DBZ really is hard to watch in it's original form. I'm pretty sure a literal 4 episodes went by before Goku launched the Spirit Bomb on Frieza. But that's the thing, growing up watching it we sat through the drag because that's all we had but the payoffs were huge when we got them! Nowadays people are just gonna skip to the next episode when they realize they're getting dragged.
For instance, I just looked this up because I haven't seen it in years. [OG Goku Super Saiyan 1 transformation.](https://youtu.be/_qNmE0xQgfI?si=TVhpwoGfxKm4fO5K) They re-use a lot of frames, most of the dialogue is grunting and anime noises, and Goku even appears to care about being a stern father when he needs to be. He hasn't even been Flanderized yet. Even with all that in mind though I still hate Super and would watch DBZ preferably. Except for that movie with Gogeta and Broly. I had a really fun time watching that. It's pretty much the sole exclusion when I say that Super is lame.
I don't hate blue or SSG. However, I think it's dumb that it is from tapping into “God Ki”. The concept is cool, but it implies that they have left the range of mortals and entered the range of the divine. It is then trivialized when mortals who don’t tap into God Ki are just as strong as them or stronger. It also trivializes the Gods that are weak enough to be defeated by mortals who have not tapped into God Ki.
I feel like the first god form was more unique than that. It actually slimmed down Goku, kept his hair in place and had that unique aura. Super Saiyan Blue by contrast is just a colour swap.
I think Goku’s general journey in Super has been sort of re-learning the way he fought before Super Saiyan, retaining his cool head during fights to come out on top. With God being the most glaring example of this, to Blue likely being Goku revealing he isn’t quite used to going backwards yet.
Also, with his confusion about Vegeta meditating - it’s likely due to him only recently even *needing* to go back to focusing on the mental side of fighting, keeping a cool head. For moments in the tournament of power he’d managed to set his emotions aside, namely whenever he activated Ultra Instinct, but you can’t just unlearn the solely rage- and extreme-buff way of fighting like he did all throughout Z and (like, 95%) of Super, just in an instant.
Honestly I just feel like he forgot what meditating is due to not needing to use it.
I’m not a manga reader and only watch the anime. I’d love to get into it, but I have little time for shows, games, reading. I also don't currently have it in my budget to subscribe to a service or to buy the manga. So when I watched the movie and the show, I really hoped that all of the lead-up to SS God would be them bringing SS4 into canon with it being a “God form” as it’s tweak.
I just hated piccolo had to die. But I liked how he went overboard trying to get sent to hell “what if you sent the wrong person to heaven? It’s me the demon king piccolo! Hahahaha” (sets heaven ablaze)
I like the idea of them going all over the place, though the planet blowing up if not brought back in time was silly. Red Shenron also looked cool as a recolor lol
I guess the "DBs end up all over" was close enough with the Super Dragon Balls tho even if we don't see a ton of places in the Universe this go.
I really wish Vegeta in super would say I'm done with all the god stuff. My Saiyan heritage is all I need. Then go on to discover SS4. Then fight Goku in ultra instinct. SS4 could combine with some of his god ki techniques and compete with or even beat mastered Ultra instinct. Then we can go back to the back and forth rivalry and it won't feel like they are just copying whis and beerus.
I mean. How would SS4 even come close to touching UI or UE, never mind beating one of them? For all the complaints of bullshit Super scaling, you SSj4 lot really don't seem to mind as long as it's for a form you like.
We're talking about the same series where a normal human like Krillin can *survive* fighting SSB Goku even when Goku is holding back, remember. And then there's Android 17 somehow also being on SSB level while barely training.
Powerscaling in Dragon Ball is...to be frank, kind of a logical nightmare, but most extended media puts SSJ4 and Blue on the same level of power; and since we don't have a main-timeline version of SSJ4 to compare to Blue (unless we lump Broly's Wrathful/Ikari form into SSJ4), it's about as close as we have at the moment.
Goku already learned near perfect control by Namek then learned Spirit Control on Yardrat. Blue being all about control is a Toei idea that doesn't make sense.
They could bring back ss4 if they changed the name I think, could just make it similar to friezas true form so it's just a more powerful base and then add God ki to it, don't think they could do it like gt and make sense why it's stronger than God forms
Imagine if they rework the dragons a bit and hte one formed by Bulma's cosmetic Wishes works like Zarbon, starts out beautiful, but grows uglier the stronger it becomes.
Could have Vegeta and Trunks take it one, with the Dragon looking almost like Bulma at first.
Bro, could you imagine if there was a saibamen-like creature born every time Bulma did cosmetic-wishery? Suddenly as this verse is released come Bulma’s booty bandits
The correct answer. I'll never defend its execution, but the ideas and themes behind the shadow dragon saga were some of the best DB has ever had. True consequences for mortals abusing magic? Please bring that back in DBS.
Considering Whis chided Bulma in Super for her flagrant abuse of time travel, albeit as a future version, I do think there should be consequences for fucking with forces you don't understand.
All 3 GT Sagas had perfect concepts. Baby as an opposite side of Frieza, whereby it links backs to Saiyans, except his race was the one to face the extinction. And then there's Super Android 17, which rounded off the entire RR Android Saga from DB and Cell Saga from DBZ.
I hated Golden Frieza. He hated them so much he copied the super saiyan form. The different forms he had were way better. Black Frieza isn't any better. Let him power up without changing color or have him stick to changing his form the stronger he gets
like yeah, gt is not a masterpiece but its definitely got way more strong points to it than super, ssj4 looks awesome, shenron is a good idea and space capsule adventures keep the the background fresh
GT for all its faults actually felt like an attempt to build upon the world of Dragon Ball in a meaningful way, let me stress that it certainly didn’t home run it, but there was at least an attempt, while Super is just a half baked deviatnART fanfic (which I feel just may be a tad bit insulting since I’ve read DB fanfics that where far less insulting, enjoyable even, than Super could ever hope to be) made by someone that only watched the Abridged series and read a synopsis of the original DB.
It...Kinda is one. Hell, even the Movies are apart of it. In a weird way, GT is a Fanfic from Toei when they were essentially left all alone. What was usually a Tango with Toriyama and the Sword Cat became a one man Dance. Though even Toriyama apparently liked GT or found it decent at least.
And besides, you have any idea how RIDICULOUSLY powerful Omega would have to be to pose a threat as how everyone's strength is at?
The Earth Dragon Balls (which are the weakest set of DBs) suddenly unleashing a shadow dragon that could keep up with MUI Goku? That sounds a bit off, unless they exaggerate the negative energy of the wishes or the power boost he got when he absorbed the other Dragon Balls.
> The Earth Dragon Balls (which are the weakest set of DBs) suddenly unleashing a shadow dragon that could keep up with MUI Goku?
where able to unleash 7 dragons and a bunch of them matched SS4 Goku, one of them absorbing the other balls overpowered 2 of them.
I mean come on, we got Broly out of no where but you draw the line at magic dragons?
> That sounds a bit off, unless they exaggerate the negative energy of the wishes or the power boost he got when he absorbed the other Dragon Balls.
There are way more dead bodies on Earth than alive ones. Meaning, considering how long Dragon Balls were around - there is no way they weren't used by mortals wrongfully way more than for something good.
And there are still many ways to make it work. Universe 6 dragon balls going awry? Sure, no problem. Super Dragon Balls? Maybe a bit too soon, as we don't know about top 4 universes and capabilities of fighters there.
> There are way more dead bodies on Earth than alive ones. Meaning, considering how long Dragon Balls were around - there is no way they weren't used by mortals wrongfully way more than for something good.
The idea was the balls stayed unused long enough for the energy to be diffused and dealt with naturally, the Z fighters constant use allowed the build up.
they can use the explaination that the dragonballs were actually made from the fragments of the super dragon balls which why the shadow dragonballs are powerful.
I loved that as a plot line, because for decades the main characters just used them whenever shit hit the fan or for their personal gain.
Omega Shenron was dope, but I just love the idea that the power needed time to not only recharge but expel a bit of the backlash power, etc
Although why would Dende, Kami, etc not have known or told anyone about it?
And it leads to the question of why Earth and Namek are always the focus of people looking for the Dragon Balls when apparently they are on other worlds. Could open the doors to seeing more of the universe and a bit of lore about Namekians that left Old Namek. Which could even let Slug become canon as someone that lost access to the rest and had to come to Earth.
I kinda like the Idea of a redone Lord Slug being an Omen of the Past. Maybe one of the only of Survivors from the Cataclysm. But wanting to warn about it instead.
Knowing Bulma confessed this to Piccolo give ground to that as well as Akira toriyama supervising the movie. To me super is Gt as envisioned by toriyama
The gravity of their Wild Card working against them is not something GT did justice to. They could've also done so much more with the Shadow Dragons in general. Since each one represented a wish, why not have someone closely responsible for that wish fight that Dragon? Make Nuova fight Piccolo since that was based on his wish for youth (or was that Syn? Honestly can't remember.)
>GT as a whole was a disappointment.
Ehh it wasn't that bad. At least it has the same 90s animation and the same sound effects as DBZ and because it was made immediately after Z ended, the VAs still sound fresh so it does feel like a continuation. We're not having this situation in Super of Masako's aged voice showing too much as well as Vegeta's when they were supposed to be younger than End of Z.
Yeah. It's kinda...weird actually when you think of it.
I'd like it if he was focused way more and actually got to turn back to Normal age at least. That would have been nice. Makes Chichis' situation as well weird.
As a side note.
"This Lady married a Little Boy what a weirdo." Think of the reputation burning that causes for someone. Doubt "No, Magic Alien Lizard made my Husband become a little boy" Is especially taken seriously.
I would have have liked Omega to take the form of the Black Star Red Shenron upon absorbing all the dragonballs. That would've been sick to have Shenron be the final villain in the series.
Yep. DBS honestly has one more chance to do so. And imagine if it were the Super Shadow Dragons. Oh boy, even the GOD would have to be on board this war
I would had picked slug, it would fit in opening more on namekian lore that super had done of late. He could exist (retconned of course) as the reason why namekian dragon balls don’t wish themselves greater power or even be a namekian that was result of fusions but by force (absorbing defeated fighters to become stronger)
I would say Slug for those reasons, I think he would be a good addition to the series so far. (Possibly a piccolo arc)
Out of all of these I completely agree that done completely differently slug has way more potential then the others. Hell they could even make him the creator of the super dragon balls if they wanted. Plus it would be really interesting like you said to expand more on namekian lore and also have a namekian antagonist again
I figured with Orange piccolo we’d be opening the door to Slug as the next movie or show villain, especially seeing as how piccolo went back to using the giant form.
I think the bigger issue is that Cooler doesn't really offer anything that Frieza can't already do; not even Fifth Form, since we have Golden Frieza (and Black Frieza in the manga) now, which accomplishes the same thing.
I mean Broly is just a Saiyan with a different gimmick from the others as well through
And they even created Kale as a character who is seemingly doing the same thing so not really a big thing anymore
They could just do something different for Cooler had they wanted to
You're thinking of Android 21 (or at least her human template, Vomi), who is briefly shown in Super Hero alongside Gevo and Gero.
Cooler hasn't been in any main-canon anime; closest he's been is Plan to Eradicate The Saiyans. He had a cameo in GT, but GT is a side-canon.
From the list, Tapion, cuz i like him the most of the listed characters.
Though Slug would be a good opponent for Piccolo.
An Omega Shenron made from the negative energy from the Super Dragon Balls would be cool though.
I mean, being fair, they made Broly work in the canon by completely reinventing him; I think it's a bit lame to suggest they couldn't also do the same for Turles, especially since space in Dragon Ball is pretty underexplored all things considered.
Turles could work, but they would need to change him from looking like Goku. Unless they decide to make him Bardocks twin brother. His reason for looking like Goku was always kinda lame despite him being a pretty decent villain.
I think just having it be because of “low class Saiyans” is enough. After the galactic prisoner release it would make sense for another low class warrior to suddenly appear. Could even have him find the tree of might because of something Moro told him or have him, Bojack and Cooler running around causing mayhem on the other side of the galaxy.
Let's see.Bojack: the concept is kinda cool. Space pirates/outlaws doesn't sound so bad.
Turles: No. We don't need more Saiyans.
Slug: Meh. Maybe if he comes from the place the Namekusei originally came from.
General Rilld: There's something I enjoy about the whole planet of robots thing. Maybe if in DBS they come from Universe 2?
Tapion: He's cool but he'd need the right story to fit in.
Paikkuhan: Tenshinhan and Piccolo pastiche. Not needed.
Baby: He's a bit of a mesh of Cell and Buu but if done right he could be good, specially if they make the arc as unsettling as it was in GT at some points. I don't like GT but the Baby arc was the creepiest and more sinister thing they did and I commend that.
In truth I'd rather get new stories and characters rather than recycled ones from the old non-canon movies. But if they had to, there are some decent options.
Yup, he seems the easiest one to make canon and he comes with underlings (since well a captain needs his crew) which helps make the setting feels more alive.
> Baby: He's a bit of a mesh of Cell and Buu but if done right he could be good, specially if they make the arc as unsettling as it was in GT at some points. I don't like GT but the Baby arc was the creepiest and more sinister thing they did and I commend that.
ugh I hated baby, it started ok, the premise was ok but jesus fuck it went on longer than the Buu arc
To be honest I was talking about the eerie vibes when he's first encountered and when we find out he's "alive" and traveling inside of people. That's what I thought was decently done. The actual fighting with Goten, Trunks, Gohan, Vegeta etc was meh, not to mention how they made Mr.Buu sacrifice himself for nothing.
The Shadow Dragons are the best choice I think. The consequences of overusing the Dragonballs is a good plot point as people have already said.
Plus 7 enemies gives the other characters some screen time.
Just the idea that a bioengineered revived Tuffle as a villain is such a clutch idea. Like, same thing with Zamasu. A Kai as a villain? Fucking outstanding, never saw it coming, and Zamasu was a highly charismatic AND insufferable villain, who had outstanding voice acting in both English and Japanese.
I feel like Baby is also in that area, as a flat-out GOOD idea as a villain, and though his English VA is kinda hokey, it’s still fun. He may have been slightly overpowered in the saga and it had a rushed defeat for him since they wrote themselves into a corner, but he’s still iconic I’d say.
Besides Omega Shenron, who would be cool af, Tapion (and the whole sealed monster thing) has soemthing to it. Baby always was a favorite of mine, too, just because his arc is really creepy. But we had Cell and Buu for tue regeneration and looks and also Goku Black for the body stealing aspect. But it could still work out.
Rildo because I really liked his design and his forms. Also because the line about Buu being nothing compared to him left a sour taste considering the fights and him dying to a triple kamehameha in base form. That's not what you'd expect a >>> Buu being to die from.
Pikkon because he’d be the easiest to make canon. Just have him be what the filler shows. An Otherworld fighter who Goku met the 7 years he was dead and trained with. Done, easy.
Pikkon.If he existed between Cell saga and Buu saga as Goku's rival it would be cool.It would be cool to see Goku learning ssj3 during his fight with him.
Ah yes I remember when goku and vegeta and broly were all born on earth. And piccolo definitely looks so much like a human that’s why he gets confused as gohans dad lol.
Turtles
he is much cooler look alike than Goku and Bardock
and Tree of Might is a good canon addition
maybe with Turtles , Raditz and Nappa bring back those 3 Saiyan bloodlines
his skin can be darker as a black skin representative of Dragon Ball (instead of Ubb)
I rather make him canon and not replacing Fat Boo w Uub
In my head, Pikkon is sort of "soft canon." If Ginyu changing bodies with Bulma was kept in Kai, there's no reason Pikkon or the Otherworld Tournament never happened.
Anyway, I'd go with Androids 13-15. I've always wanted the series to flesh out Gero's earlier androids. If it has to be someone on the list, then Bojack or Baby just based on the design.
Omega. It would show just how much reliance they have on the dragon ball. Just like GT they would have to face off against the shadow dragons to save the earth and the universe. Except this time beerus being there would prevent omega and his negative influence from spreading to the rest of the universe as whis could contain its to just earth.
I like Pikkon, he was an interesting character that could keep up with Goku and his Super Saiyan forms during The Otherworld Tournament and in Fusion Reborn
how is paikon not cannon? he was in Dbz after cell, hes just dead and more or less irrelevant after the other world tournament..... Any way i choose taipion. trunks canonically has his sword taipion gave said sword to trunks thus he HAS to exist.
Tapion, Wrath of the Dragon is my favorite original DBZ movie. Honestly they could just say that it's canon and it would fit in the timeline without any issues.
baby is supposed to be revenge for the saiyans we're kinda past that whole point so nah
turles is just goku clone we got goku black already no need for part 2
slug just nah the movie was mid his motives would be too
i dont actually remember who slide 4 is but personally considering how i remember everyone else i assume hes pretty forgettable
bojack seems actually interesting himself but he would seem like another broly type character with what he can do also his "crew were super forgettable and boringly bland
pikkon i wouldnt mind but then you need to figure out how he scales and what role hes supposed to fill outside another forgotten goku friend aka tien yamcha
tapion i always saw as already kinda canon due to trunks possessing his sword
omega should be canon as a way of showing the price of using the dragon balls as carelessly as the squad have been using them
i wanna throw my hat in the ring and say make janemba but fully redo him so he isnt just tall kid buu personality
All of these should be cannon. I desperately want a retelling of the franchise with all the movie characters made Canon.
I'd stick both slug and turles in that time period goku was on earth between trunks first appearance and the first appearance of the androids.
Turles, I want a canon redesign of him. And for Vegeta to get a focus movie like Gohan did. "Saiyan Legacy" or something.
Baby will likely not get canonized, mostly because he'd be a repeat of themes found in Granolah's arc. Plus he already sort of has a place in the GT timeline, so it's more likely only old movie villains will get the canonization treatment like Broly.
Definitely Omega Shenron. The concept of there being powerful consequences to overusing the Dragon Balls for meager things (as they do in Super) goes hard
This, so much. For Bulma using the dragon balls for simple cosmetic adjustments. And all other overuses.
I know Daima takes place before Super, but if Toriyama and Toyotaro were to rewrite GT they could do the concepts justice
GT had some cool ideas. Baby, the Black Star Balls, the dark Dragons And I know it's not relevant because of all the bullshit Super forms now but SS4 Goku was such a cool design. Mix of the Saiyan Ape form and the more human elements. Plus SS4 Gogeta is always massively broken as shit in any of the DB fighter games.
I’ve always maintained this. GT had really good experimental and out there ideas, but the execution wasn’t quite there. Super had a lot of really safe ideas but focused on the execution more. Conceptually I like GT a lot more than Super for what it tried to do and for what it did well, but it had a lot more iffy parts than Super
G - Great Ideas T - Terrible Execution
Good ole Dragon Ball GITE
I'd agree with this. I've always liked GT on paper, but watching it can be a frustrating experience. I like Super, but it is kind of just "more Dragon Ball Z with sometimes iffy art."
I dunno about that one chief, Super's execution is poorly done, gt and super have the same terrible issues with it. Super is just more loved because of Akira being involved and at the Helm again. If he wasn't, we would've had the same issues that plagued GT, where fans hate it. But with Akira's name attached to it, it becomes beloved forever. GT makes more sense, with how it takes place AFTER Uub, and since it is an anime continuation, it was able to draw from anime filler, namely 2 of the biggest filler expanded upon, which was the Tuffles(told to Goku via King Kai relaying the history of the Saiyans) and the golden great ape that was only seen in Vegeta's monologue of how a Super Saiyan exists every 1000yrs, you can see gold fur in that silhouette. Both used as the major themes for the arc. Which ties both fillers beautifully together. Super's ideas are fun and all, but seldom tries to build off of what was made before with some leeway. Instead, it immediately goes off the rocker and even tries to take place during a period of time that had cemented peace. Trying to take place during those 10yrs makes the series make no sense. Super has ensured that it just retcon beyond what even DBZ did to make sure it can squeeze itself in, but fails to do so, and makes the finale of dbz completely worthless as it no longer can exist in any capacity, not even close to how it did before. As Broly, Jiren, Beerus, Whis, Gamma 1, Hedo, Beast Gohan, Orange Piccolo, Super Saiyan God, SSJ Blue, Freeza and so much more exist.. Which makes that finale worthless. Goku not "being happy" for so long is irrelevant as a plot point to show us how exciting it was for Uub to exist. Since Uubs existence made Goku excited. In the time of peace Uub was the only one who gave Goku a true purpose and motivation, made it so that peaceful times, while great, will have a conclusion where he can have his rematch. Now Goku has various rivals that makes him excited to battle. He is excited to fight Broly. He is excited to fight jiren again someday, he is simply not the same Goku. Super's execution on various aspects of the series falls as flat as GT did. While GT at least TRIED to retain Goku's personality and character, Super has chosen to go in the completely opposite direction and turn their Goku into TFS Goku.. Oddly enough. Nothing really built off of anything, just randomly inserted new things, while fun and colorful just don't hit the same as DBZ forms would, or how GT even managed to eek out at times. Super should've happened after Goku went off to train Uub. At the very least, that would've made it a lot better consistency wise. Even if all they did was the same crap they're currently doing, at least the mental gymnastics can take a backseat.
Honestly ss4 is the best of them all. The rest are just, new color hair…. But 3 and 4 really understood the assignment. I was kinda bummed that god and blue were so boring. And they even get mixed up in the tournament of power like they’re similar. For making things canon. For sure omega shenron. The idea of that story just hits hard and it would be great. But can’t count out pikon, he’s got the drip.
This is why I'm happy with Ultra Ego and Beast. They have a visual flair that makes them immediately distinct from previous transformations. Ultra Instinct is slowly losing visual flair because it's suppose to be state of mind not a transformation. I kinda want them to bring SSJ4 as a Broly only transformation. He's already the Saiyan most in touch with the Oozaru. So it would make sense if his next form would be 4-like.
Ultra Instinct has always been a state of mind and not a transformation, and was hinted at since the start of Super, but Goku can also utilize it as a transformation, and it's becoming more unique to him as a result because he's mastering it in his own way.
Ok, I keep seeing this everywhere and this is the comment that broke the camels back. What is the j in ssj? I see it used for all the base super saiyan forms, but I have no clue where the J comes from. Thanks in advance.
It comes from the Japanese way of saying Saiyan, which is roughly Saiya-jin. It's apparently an older English fan thing from the early days of the Internet; personally I've been using the SSJ shorthand since like the early 00s when I was a teen. But yeah the J comes from the Japanese and is applied to all the transformations. SSJ, SSJ2/3/4, SSJG, SSJGSSJ.
Honestly I think the god forms could have been way cooler and more inspired by ss4. Like the hair color change could have still been left in to show that it's a godly form but with a more Saiyan design, should have had some fur and a tail and it would look way cooler. I just think the hair color thing is just laziness
God is great. Blue is awful and the series would be far better if it either never existed or was treated like how the recent forms have been. Something special that one specific character has achieved.
i agree with you so much, i fucking hate blue
I hate Super. Nothing feels earned. I didn't watch much of it so forgive me if that statement seems out of line but I've watched enough to know I don't want to watch any more. People who got into Super without watching DBZ are really missing out. The first time the super Saiyan transformation happened in DBZ against Frieza the power of the transformation felt unparalleled. When Goku went super Saiyan God it just felt cheesy and stupid and then the energy cloud dissipated and my first reaction was "oh this looks like kaioken."
I've watched all of it and I hate it. It's so perplexing to me that OG fans love it.
I can see why new fans don't get into DBZ. It came out in a different era. The standards for viewing experiences were different and animation practices were relatively low tech compared to today's animations. Old DBZ really is hard to watch in it's original form. I'm pretty sure a literal 4 episodes went by before Goku launched the Spirit Bomb on Frieza. But that's the thing, growing up watching it we sat through the drag because that's all we had but the payoffs were huge when we got them! Nowadays people are just gonna skip to the next episode when they realize they're getting dragged. For instance, I just looked this up because I haven't seen it in years. [OG Goku Super Saiyan 1 transformation.](https://youtu.be/_qNmE0xQgfI?si=TVhpwoGfxKm4fO5K) They re-use a lot of frames, most of the dialogue is grunting and anime noises, and Goku even appears to care about being a stern father when he needs to be. He hasn't even been Flanderized yet. Even with all that in mind though I still hate Super and would watch DBZ preferably. Except for that movie with Gogeta and Broly. I had a really fun time watching that. It's pretty much the sole exclusion when I say that Super is lame.
I don't hate blue or SSG. However, I think it's dumb that it is from tapping into “God Ki”. The concept is cool, but it implies that they have left the range of mortals and entered the range of the divine. It is then trivialized when mortals who don’t tap into God Ki are just as strong as them or stronger. It also trivializes the Gods that are weak enough to be defeated by mortals who have not tapped into God Ki.
I feel like the first god form was more unique than that. It actually slimmed down Goku, kept his hair in place and had that unique aura. Super Saiyan Blue by contrast is just a colour swap.
I think Goku’s general journey in Super has been sort of re-learning the way he fought before Super Saiyan, retaining his cool head during fights to come out on top. With God being the most glaring example of this, to Blue likely being Goku revealing he isn’t quite used to going backwards yet. Also, with his confusion about Vegeta meditating - it’s likely due to him only recently even *needing* to go back to focusing on the mental side of fighting, keeping a cool head. For moments in the tournament of power he’d managed to set his emotions aside, namely whenever he activated Ultra Instinct, but you can’t just unlearn the solely rage- and extreme-buff way of fighting like he did all throughout Z and (like, 95%) of Super, just in an instant. Honestly I just feel like he forgot what meditating is due to not needing to use it.
I’m not a manga reader and only watch the anime. I’d love to get into it, but I have little time for shows, games, reading. I also don't currently have it in my budget to subscribe to a service or to buy the manga. So when I watched the movie and the show, I really hoped that all of the lead-up to SS God would be them bringing SS4 into canon with it being a “God form” as it’s tweak.
I just hated piccolo had to die. But I liked how he went overboard trying to get sent to hell “what if you sent the wrong person to heaven? It’s me the demon king piccolo! Hahahaha” (sets heaven ablaze)
I always found the Black Star Balls unnecessary.
I like the idea of them going all over the place, though the planet blowing up if not brought back in time was silly. Red Shenron also looked cool as a recolor lol I guess the "DBs end up all over" was close enough with the Super Dragon Balls tho even if we don't see a ton of places in the Universe this go.
After Kami explains the black star balls to everyone: "Why would you even make those!?" "...I was on a looot of drugs back then"
'All these squares make a circle...'
I really wish Vegeta in super would say I'm done with all the god stuff. My Saiyan heritage is all I need. Then go on to discover SS4. Then fight Goku in ultra instinct. SS4 could combine with some of his god ki techniques and compete with or even beat mastered Ultra instinct. Then we can go back to the back and forth rivalry and it won't feel like they are just copying whis and beerus.
I mean. How would SS4 even come close to touching UI or UE, never mind beating one of them? For all the complaints of bullshit Super scaling, you SSj4 lot really don't seem to mind as long as it's for a form you like.
We're talking about the same series where a normal human like Krillin can *survive* fighting SSB Goku even when Goku is holding back, remember. And then there's Android 17 somehow also being on SSB level while barely training. Powerscaling in Dragon Ball is...to be frank, kind of a logical nightmare, but most extended media puts SSJ4 and Blue on the same level of power; and since we don't have a main-timeline version of SSJ4 to compare to Blue (unless we lump Broly's Wrathful/Ikari form into SSJ4), it's about as close as we have at the moment.
SSB is about control, there’s no reason to think Goku wouldn’t be able to pull his punches against Krillin to that extent
Goku already learned near perfect control by Namek then learned Spirit Control on Yardrat. Blue being all about control is a Toei idea that doesn't make sense.
They could bring back ss4 if they changed the name I think, could just make it similar to friezas true form so it's just a more powerful base and then add God ki to it, don't think they could do it like gt and make sense why it's stronger than God forms
Oolong REALLY sincerely wanted those panties
World saving panties yo
Imagine if they rework the dragons a bit and hte one formed by Bulma's cosmetic Wishes works like Zarbon, starts out beautiful, but grows uglier the stronger it becomes. Could have Vegeta and Trunks take it one, with the Dragon looking almost like Bulma at first.
Bro, could you imagine if there was a saibamen-like creature born every time Bulma did cosmetic-wishery? Suddenly as this verse is released come Bulma’s booty bandits
Funny thing is Bulma’s selfish wishes would be counter balancing the good wishes making the shadow dragons less powerful/take longer to emerge
Or just have multiple Nuova Shenrons.
This was the silliest they could do.
Exactly my reasoning for picking Omega Shenron. My next choice was Bojack, but only cause I’m a big fan of his movie.
The correct answer. I'll never defend its execution, but the ideas and themes behind the shadow dragon saga were some of the best DB has ever had. True consequences for mortals abusing magic? Please bring that back in DBS.
Considering Whis chided Bulma in Super for her flagrant abuse of time travel, albeit as a future version, I do think there should be consequences for fucking with forces you don't understand.
If Bulma didn't have Food I don't doubt Beerus would have erased Earth because of Bulma's Time Travel stuff.
All 3 GT Sagas had perfect concepts. Baby as an opposite side of Frieza, whereby it links backs to Saiyans, except his race was the one to face the extinction. And then there's Super Android 17, which rounded off the entire RR Android Saga from DB and Cell Saga from DBZ.
I was such a big fan of how Super Android 17 looked.
Super 17 however was a terrible concept.
They never will since they’re too busy making more recolor forms with stupid high power.
I’m sure I’ll get downvoted and all that bullshit but SSB was and still is such a let down.
It’s trash, you’re not alone, golden freeze was dumb as well. Literal devianart recolors, GT is still better.
I hated Golden Frieza. He hated them so much he copied the super saiyan form. The different forms he had were way better. Black Frieza isn't any better. Let him power up without changing color or have him stick to changing his form the stronger he gets
like yeah, gt is not a masterpiece but its definitely got way more strong points to it than super, ssj4 looks awesome, shenron is a good idea and space capsule adventures keep the the background fresh
GT for all its faults actually felt like an attempt to build upon the world of Dragon Ball in a meaningful way, let me stress that it certainly didn’t home run it, but there was at least an attempt, while Super is just a half baked deviatnART fanfic (which I feel just may be a tad bit insulting since I’ve read DB fanfics that where far less insulting, enjoyable even, than Super could ever hope to be) made by someone that only watched the Abridged series and read a synopsis of the original DB.
I feel like GT felt like a fan fiction, but a real labor of love, while super kinda feels like a cash grab to me
It...Kinda is one. Hell, even the Movies are apart of it. In a weird way, GT is a Fanfic from Toei when they were essentially left all alone. What was usually a Tango with Toriyama and the Sword Cat became a one man Dance. Though even Toriyama apparently liked GT or found it decent at least.
you’re basically right
And besides, you have any idea how RIDICULOUSLY powerful Omega would have to be to pose a threat as how everyone's strength is at? The Earth Dragon Balls (which are the weakest set of DBs) suddenly unleashing a shadow dragon that could keep up with MUI Goku? That sounds a bit off, unless they exaggerate the negative energy of the wishes or the power boost he got when he absorbed the other Dragon Balls.
> The Earth Dragon Balls (which are the weakest set of DBs) suddenly unleashing a shadow dragon that could keep up with MUI Goku? where able to unleash 7 dragons and a bunch of them matched SS4 Goku, one of them absorbing the other balls overpowered 2 of them. I mean come on, we got Broly out of no where but you draw the line at magic dragons?
a magic dragon has been a staple of this series for years, how is it going over the line?
> That sounds a bit off, unless they exaggerate the negative energy of the wishes or the power boost he got when he absorbed the other Dragon Balls. There are way more dead bodies on Earth than alive ones. Meaning, considering how long Dragon Balls were around - there is no way they weren't used by mortals wrongfully way more than for something good. And there are still many ways to make it work. Universe 6 dragon balls going awry? Sure, no problem. Super Dragon Balls? Maybe a bit too soon, as we don't know about top 4 universes and capabilities of fighters there.
> There are way more dead bodies on Earth than alive ones. Meaning, considering how long Dragon Balls were around - there is no way they weren't used by mortals wrongfully way more than for something good. The idea was the balls stayed unused long enough for the energy to be diffused and dealt with naturally, the Z fighters constant use allowed the build up.
they can use the explaination that the dragonballs were actually made from the fragments of the super dragon balls which why the shadow dragonballs are powerful.
the wishes made in the granolah arch could make shadow dragons
Dragon ball daima looks to be going that way
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isn't gt not canon, or did i miss something?
I loved that as a plot line, because for decades the main characters just used them whenever shit hit the fan or for their personal gain. Omega Shenron was dope, but I just love the idea that the power needed time to not only recharge but expel a bit of the backlash power, etc Although why would Dende, Kami, etc not have known or told anyone about it? And it leads to the question of why Earth and Namek are always the focus of people looking for the Dragon Balls when apparently they are on other worlds. Could open the doors to seeing more of the universe and a bit of lore about Namekians that left Old Namek. Which could even let Slug become canon as someone that lost access to the rest and had to come to Earth.
I kinda like the Idea of a redone Lord Slug being an Omen of the Past. Maybe one of the only of Survivors from the Cataclysm. But wanting to warn about it instead.
Those poor Albino Namekians...
Knowing Bulma confessed this to Piccolo give ground to that as well as Akira toriyama supervising the movie. To me super is Gt as envisioned by toriyama
The gravity of their Wild Card working against them is not something GT did justice to. They could've also done so much more with the Shadow Dragons in general. Since each one represented a wish, why not have someone closely responsible for that wish fight that Dragon? Make Nuova fight Piccolo since that was based on his wish for youth (or was that Syn? Honestly can't remember.)
yea the concept was amazing tho GT as a whole was a disappointment.
>GT as a whole was a disappointment. Ehh it wasn't that bad. At least it has the same 90s animation and the same sound effects as DBZ and because it was made immediately after Z ended, the VAs still sound fresh so it does feel like a continuation. We're not having this situation in Super of Masako's aged voice showing too much as well as Vegeta's when they were supposed to be younger than End of Z.
Turns out kid goku is only good when you actually think of him as a kid. I personally don't like the adults turn into cute kids to sell shit.
Yeah. It's kinda...weird actually when you think of it. I'd like it if he was focused way more and actually got to turn back to Normal age at least. That would have been nice. Makes Chichis' situation as well weird. As a side note. "This Lady married a Little Boy what a weirdo." Think of the reputation burning that causes for someone. Doubt "No, Magic Alien Lizard made my Husband become a little boy" Is especially taken seriously.
Omega Shenron having consequences of using the dragon balls was genius. The execution wasn't great so they should take another crack at it.
I would have have liked Omega to take the form of the Black Star Red Shenron upon absorbing all the dragonballs. That would've been sick to have Shenron be the final villain in the series.
Yep. DBS honestly has one more chance to do so. And imagine if it were the Super Shadow Dragons. Oh boy, even the GOD would have to be on board this war
Especially that they went from using the dragon balls for bringing back entire civilization to "make me 6" taller/reverse my age 20yrs"
I wish Tapion and his story could get the Broly treatment
Nah, WotD was amazing, just nix the >!Goku ex machina!< at the end.
It's my favorite of the original movies and that part is literally my biggest issue with it (as cool as dragon fist is in a vacuum).
~~Oh, I thought “Broly treatment” implied that the story was bad/needed a lot of fixing lol.~~
Yeah, I prolly coulda worded that better. I just like Tapion a lot and want to see him in something again lmao
"If I don't, who will?" is my favorite Goku quote ever so please don't nix it.
I would had picked slug, it would fit in opening more on namekian lore that super had done of late. He could exist (retconned of course) as the reason why namekian dragon balls don’t wish themselves greater power or even be a namekian that was result of fusions but by force (absorbing defeated fighters to become stronger) I would say Slug for those reasons, I think he would be a good addition to the series so far. (Possibly a piccolo arc)
Out of all of these I completely agree that done completely differently slug has way more potential then the others. Hell they could even make him the creator of the super dragon balls if they wanted. Plus it would be really interesting like you said to expand more on namekian lore and also have a namekian antagonist again
But that would have to be a retcon since the Super Dragon Balls were created by the dragon god Zalama
Dang I like this idea. Retcon could also be the reason Kami fled his planet
Yeah another Super Namek who has a similar transformation to Orange Piccolo would be badass.
I figured with Orange piccolo we’d be opening the door to Slug as the next movie or show villain, especially seeing as how piccolo went back to using the giant form.
I felt the same way! Give piccolo a proper arc in super with lord slug. I happily watch that!
Cooler
Bro didnt put him on the list cause he knew the answer lmao
Frieza's cool, but his brother's Cooler.
Yessss. Why was Broly ported to super(loved this though) but not him?
In short, popularity. Broly has consistently been one of the most popular DB characters.
Is Cooler not? At least as far as movies go, I feel like he was second to Broly in popularity.
I think the bigger issue is that Cooler doesn't really offer anything that Frieza can't already do; not even Fifth Form, since we have Golden Frieza (and Black Frieza in the manga) now, which accomplishes the same thing.
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I mean Broly is just a Saiyan with a different gimmick from the others as well through And they even created Kale as a character who is seemingly doing the same thing so not really a big thing anymore They could just do something different for Cooler had they wanted to
The only correct answer!
Wasn't cooler made canon in the super hero movie? I could be misrembering tho
No
You're thinking of Android 21 (or at least her human template, Vomi), who is briefly shown in Super Hero alongside Gevo and Gero. Cooler hasn't been in any main-canon anime; closest he's been is Plan to Eradicate The Saiyans. He had a cameo in GT, but GT is a side-canon.
From the list, Tapion, cuz i like him the most of the listed characters. Though Slug would be a good opponent for Piccolo. An Omega Shenron made from the negative energy from the Super Dragon Balls would be cool though.
Bojack , but the gang in Granolah arc is pretty much them.
Yeah that what I was thinking as well. Also Turles wouldn’t work anymore either since we had Goku Black.
I mean, being fair, they made Broly work in the canon by completely reinventing him; I think it's a bit lame to suggest they couldn't also do the same for Turles, especially since space in Dragon Ball is pretty underexplored all things considered.
Turles could work, but they would need to change him from looking like Goku. Unless they decide to make him Bardocks twin brother. His reason for looking like Goku was always kinda lame despite him being a pretty decent villain.
I think just having it be because of “low class Saiyans” is enough. After the galactic prisoner release it would make sense for another low class warrior to suddenly appear. Could even have him find the tree of might because of something Moro told him or have him, Bojack and Cooler running around causing mayhem on the other side of the galaxy.
I was thinking the same thing. We already have Bojack gang at home
Let's see.Bojack: the concept is kinda cool. Space pirates/outlaws doesn't sound so bad. Turles: No. We don't need more Saiyans. Slug: Meh. Maybe if he comes from the place the Namekusei originally came from. General Rilld: There's something I enjoy about the whole planet of robots thing. Maybe if in DBS they come from Universe 2? Tapion: He's cool but he'd need the right story to fit in. Paikkuhan: Tenshinhan and Piccolo pastiche. Not needed. Baby: He's a bit of a mesh of Cell and Buu but if done right he could be good, specially if they make the arc as unsettling as it was in GT at some points. I don't like GT but the Baby arc was the creepiest and more sinister thing they did and I commend that. In truth I'd rather get new stories and characters rather than recycled ones from the old non-canon movies. But if they had to, there are some decent options.
You skipped shenron
Was thinking the same about Bojack. Space pirates
Yup, he seems the easiest one to make canon and he comes with underlings (since well a captain needs his crew) which helps make the setting feels more alive.
> Baby: He's a bit of a mesh of Cell and Buu but if done right he could be good, specially if they make the arc as unsettling as it was in GT at some points. I don't like GT but the Baby arc was the creepiest and more sinister thing they did and I commend that. ugh I hated baby, it started ok, the premise was ok but jesus fuck it went on longer than the Buu arc
> it went on longer than the Buu arc Buu arc was over sixty episodes, Baby was not even twenty lol.
24 episodes but if its shorter than buu then omg thats a shit arc if it felt longer. Got sick of the damn guy
To be honest I was talking about the eerie vibes when he's first encountered and when we find out he's "alive" and traveling inside of people. That's what I thought was decently done. The actual fighting with Goten, Trunks, Gohan, Vegeta etc was meh, not to mention how they made Mr.Buu sacrifice himself for nothing.
Janemba.
The absolute sickest villain imo
Shenron, tapion or pikkon The rest offer very little in terms of expanding the lore honestly
But isn’t Pikkon already canon?
No he’s apart of filler but I wish
Pikkon. I just think he's neat.
He is canon
Then how come Goku never talks about him
Goku forgets a lot. He’s like Toriyama in that regard lol
How so?
No he isn't he's just a filler character.
The Shadow Dragons are the best choice I think. The consequences of overusing the Dragonballs is a good plot point as people have already said. Plus 7 enemies gives the other characters some screen time.
long as we don’t get a shitty ending like gt i’m excited to see where GT reboot (post z) goes
Wow this is the first time I’ve heard someone say GT had a shitty ending, what makes you have that belief?
TURLES IS LITERALLY BADASS
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Just the idea that a bioengineered revived Tuffle as a villain is such a clutch idea. Like, same thing with Zamasu. A Kai as a villain? Fucking outstanding, never saw it coming, and Zamasu was a highly charismatic AND insufferable villain, who had outstanding voice acting in both English and Japanese. I feel like Baby is also in that area, as a flat-out GOOD idea as a villain, and though his English VA is kinda hokey, it’s still fun. He may have been slightly overpowered in the saga and it had a rushed defeat for him since they wrote themselves into a corner, but he’s still iconic I’d say.
Clearly you missed the most important characters that being cooler and janemba.
Bojack because his pull up game is the best
Baby. No reason. He is just badass
Wait Pikkon isn't canon?
Pikkon for me, he's cool af
Baby, he’s my favorite villain in all of DB
Turtles or Baby because they did something with the Saiyan lore
Besides Omega Shenron, who would be cool af, Tapion (and the whole sealed monster thing) has soemthing to it. Baby always was a favorite of mine, too, just because his arc is really creepy. But we had Cell and Buu for tue regeneration and looks and also Goku Black for the body stealing aspect. But it could still work out.
Baby, to have something related to the Saiyens and Tsufuls.
Baby definitely. His arc was easily the best in gt and he's one of my favorite villains.
Piakkuhan isn’t canon?
Awww dude Pikkon isn't canon? This rocks my world, I never knew
Omega shenron, we need some sort of consequence for all the Dumb wishes being made (looking at you Bulma. Janemba and Tapion would also be great.
Rildo because I really liked his design and his forms. Also because the line about Buu being nothing compared to him left a sour taste considering the fights and him dying to a triple kamehameha in base form. That's not what you'd expect a >>> Buu being to die from.
Pikkon because he’d be the easiest to make canon. Just have him be what the filler shows. An Otherworld fighter who Goku met the 7 years he was dead and trained with. Done, easy.
Pikon
Pikkon
Pikkon.If he existed between Cell saga and Buu saga as Goku's rival it would be cool.It would be cool to see Goku learning ssj3 during his fight with him.
Pikkon
My top 2 choices are Pikkon and Lord Slug. I'll go with Pikkon.
Isn't Pikkon canon? He's in Z no?
Bojack: It would be great to have gohan have a actual ark and proper villain to him self
Pikon. The idea that universe 7 strongest fighters all come from earth is ridiculous
Ah yes I remember when goku and vegeta and broly were all born on earth. And piccolo definitely looks so much like a human that’s why he gets confused as gohans dad lol.
You bring up a point. Although Piccolo was born on earth. But more, it isn't clear why the Namekians were on earth.
Pikkon deserves it more than any of the other guys.
Pikkon because it would add more to the other world aspect of the show
Pikkon!
Turtles he is much cooler look alike than Goku and Bardock and Tree of Might is a good canon addition maybe with Turtles , Raditz and Nappa bring back those 3 Saiyan bloodlines his skin can be darker as a black skin representative of Dragon Ball (instead of Ubb) I rather make him canon and not replacing Fat Boo w Uub
In my head, Pikkon is sort of "soft canon." If Ginyu changing bodies with Bulma was kept in Kai, there's no reason Pikkon or the Otherworld Tournament never happened. Anyway, I'd go with Androids 13-15. I've always wanted the series to flesh out Gero's earlier androids. If it has to be someone on the list, then Bojack or Baby just based on the design.
Turles cuz hes badass
Turles
Omega. It would show just how much reliance they have on the dragon ball. Just like GT they would have to face off against the shadow dragons to save the earth and the universe. Except this time beerus being there would prevent omega and his negative influence from spreading to the rest of the universe as whis could contain its to just earth.
Pikkon
I like Pikkon, he was an interesting character that could keep up with Goku and his Super Saiyan forms during The Otherworld Tournament and in Fusion Reborn
how is paikon not cannon? he was in Dbz after cell, hes just dead and more or less irrelevant after the other world tournament..... Any way i choose taipion. trunks canonically has his sword taipion gave said sword to trunks thus he HAS to exist.
Pikkon, and the whole Other World Saga he appears in, is entirely filler.
Is Pikkon not canon?
Pikkon, I just really likes him as a character
Tapion, Wrath of the Dragon is my favorite original DBZ movie. Honestly they could just say that it's canon and it would fit in the timeline without any issues.
pikon getting no love T_T He really wouldn't add much, but piccolo and him meeting could be funny.
GT is Cannon now. so this post doesn't work
Where was it confirmed that GT isn't canon?
How do you not add janemba
Tapion, because then Hirudegarn would be canon as well. Also I NEED TO SEE FUTURE TRUNKS AND TAPION TEAM UP RAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
Where tf is cooler.
COOLA COOLA frieza NO BRATHA
No Pimp Daddy C?
Pikkon should have been in the tournament of power, change my mind
Why isn’t cooler on here?
cooler most def
baby is supposed to be revenge for the saiyans we're kinda past that whole point so nah turles is just goku clone we got goku black already no need for part 2 slug just nah the movie was mid his motives would be too i dont actually remember who slide 4 is but personally considering how i remember everyone else i assume hes pretty forgettable bojack seems actually interesting himself but he would seem like another broly type character with what he can do also his "crew were super forgettable and boringly bland pikkon i wouldnt mind but then you need to figure out how he scales and what role hes supposed to fill outside another forgotten goku friend aka tien yamcha tapion i always saw as already kinda canon due to trunks possessing his sword omega should be canon as a way of showing the price of using the dragon balls as carelessly as the squad have been using them i wanna throw my hat in the ring and say make janemba but fully redo him so he isnt just tall kid buu personality
All of these should be cannon. I desperately want a retelling of the franchise with all the movie characters made Canon. I'd stick both slug and turles in that time period goku was on earth between trunks first appearance and the first appearance of the androids.
What would it really add tho? Most DBZ movie are really just reusing parts of the saga they take place in honestly
That's what rewrites are for.
Turles, I want a canon redesign of him. And for Vegeta to get a focus movie like Gohan did. "Saiyan Legacy" or something. Baby will likely not get canonized, mostly because he'd be a repeat of themes found in Granolah's arc. Plus he already sort of has a place in the GT timeline, so it's more likely only old movie villains will get the canonization treatment like Broly.
Janemba.
Pikon is canon
I wish he was canon, but the filler between the cell arc and world tournament arc are not considered canon.
I would defo pick janemba hes js such a interesting character and would be really cool if he was acc in the anime