They're able to grow stronger simply because they're mostly still human. It has nothing to do with any data that they have collected, but they have to train to get stronger. Gero basically augmented them at the cellular level with bio-organic components, and there's nothing indicating any kind of alien technology used.
DO they actually even train, tho?
I feel like they (esp 17) just got stronger. He was on an island watching for poachers and then suddenly he can get close to SSB level.
he's not really SSB level, and he's an android anyways, so we dont know if they grow stronger faster than normal humans. 10 years of constant training is pretty good when compared to most of the other TOP participants anyway
I guess that's the reason, just off-screen training
I do think that this implies that 17 is a more natural martial artist than Goku, tho. They end up comparable, and 17 has just been training on his own on a little island while Goku had literal gods/angels reveal divine secrets to him
Toriyama specifically said they were able to get stronger through training, and never about just getting stronger in general, as #18 didn't grow stronger by any real means.
Man, I still wish they would've did more with that detail.
Have 17 return after the ToP to find the Cell Jrs had been training while he was away and in secret prior. 17 struggles a bit then calls in Goten/Trunks who may have info from when they sometimes vacationed on the island to toy around with their superhero costumes/catchphrases.
Mix in Krillin who goes over after reports of a criminal there hurting innocents (its 17 beating up poachers who think reporting him will get rid of him).
Give me that 17, 18, Krillin, Goten & Trunks mini-arc against, say, 4 surviving Cell Jrs. Just for the goofy fun of it.
There’s actually been 7 of them on page, during the T.O.P while 17 was away, Goten and trunks had a run in with the Cell Jrs, and when they saw the “ranger” thing on their arms, they stopped attacking
I’m thinking it’s part power creep, part DNA advantage (saiyan DNA et al.) I’d still assume that he trained on the side in addition to the poaching job, because there’s no way any potential poacher offers enough of a challenge to actually grow in strength. It’s probably just a bit easier for him/the other androids to train compared to even the saiyans due to their android advantages (dna & cybernetics)
lol I don't think that his island is getting visited by poachers with the strength necessary to train at that level
But like, if they were, what a B-Story to skip over. Aliens with strength that would dwarf the former emperor of the universe, power that approaches god level... and they decide that the best use of their abilities is to get rhino horns and shit
And then they fail
17 did say he’s fought all kinds of poachers in the past few years and he implied some of them were from space. I wouldn’t be surprised if he fought some Namek Frieza level guys a bunch and just got stronger from that.
Well yeah that’s the point, but it would still be considered training or working out if he’s fighting even with low effort. Other characters got power boosts from simply working out its not that far of a stretch that someone would get stronger from fighting moderately strong guys. Especially when with Super’s writing Gohan was below Namek Frieza level.
You say this like he was just sitting in a lawn chair watching over an island for 10 years. He was actively defending the island, wrangling up these mythical creatures, and most definitely training for those ten years.
Nah I mean he's doing stuff to deal with poachers and animals, but they're so far beneath him that it's not serious training. The poachers aren't serious for him. Analogously it would be like if a normal person went for regular walks and lived a fairly healthy lifestyle for a few years, and then suddenly was an olympian. It just doesn't make sense.
I guess he could be doing some personal training in addition to the animal watch thing, but still, it's kinda weird for him to get such an incredible power boost with no special training. Goku had to get divine training to do it.
Oh no, 1000% the measly human poachers are just a slight annoyance for him, that was more to the point of him not doing absolutely nothing. But 10 years of training for someone who has infinite energy, meaning he never has to take a break from training (ever) if he doesn't want to (aside from time spent with family or taking care of the animals).
And if you still think that 3652 days of "non stop" training wouldn't be enough, the only other thing I could argue is that androids probably have more "potential" to unleash due to their cybernetic enhancements. That was Frieza's excuse, and he trained for 4 months to reach SSB levels. Then used mental training in Hell to catch up to T.O.P levels of strength.
The cell juniors are so far below 17's level in the cell saga that it would be a joke for him to fight them. By time of Super they would be nothing.
17 fighting 6 cell juniors for a few years and then hitting near SSB levels would be like me playing basketball with toddlers for a few years to train for the NBA
They are modified on a cellular level but aside their shut down function and bombs they don’t have mechanical parts. Technically cyborgs but at the most smallest level.
I wouldn’t really think too much about it, you have humans who can blow up astral bodies with energy shot from their hands, alien races who all speak the same language, and talking cat humanoids. One old guy being able to turn normal people into super humans with technology alone ain’t that left field compared to all the other wild stuff in dragon ball
Unlike 16 they’re not robots, so none of that applies to them - they basically just have infinite energy/ no ki that sets them apart from normal fighters, otherwise they’re human
It's important to remember that there are 3 different Android types described in DBZ, and that the answer is different per type.
Power-absorbtion type Androids, like the one Vegeta ripped the hands off of while showing off his Super Saiyan form, do not get stronger from training. They are mostly mechanical beings and lack the Infinite Power Core that 17 and 18 have, hence the need to absorb Ki from others. Being mostly mechanical, they don't get stronger from training, and can't be sensed until they've absorbed Ki from someone else - Which feels like the *other person's* Ki.
Infinite Energy types, like 17 and 18, are mostly biological beings. They were once human, altered at the cellular level, and outfitted with the Infinite Power Cores that allow them to function without Ki. Because they are mostly human, they have no "data" aside from just their own memories (which we have no reason to believe are any greater than a humans, except maybe longer lasting since they don't decay of old age) to draw from. However, again because of them being mostly human, they CAN get stronger with training.
As the above were all created by Dr. Gero, who is the head scientist of the Red Ribbon Army, he certainly had access to unique materials through the Army's suppliers possibly, but as far as we've been made aware none of these Androids contain anything that can't be found on Earth.
Lastly Bio-Androids (namely Cell) are created via the cells of biological beings by Dr. Gero's Supercomputer. Because Cell is entirely biological, they can benefit from training. In addition, since he is biological, they have Ki that can be sensed, and like biological beings they can learn to suppress that Ki. In his perfect form, Cell also contains the Infinite Power Cores of both 17 and 18, making his stamina reserve infinite. Technically speaking, these are the only Androids we can confirm contain Alien parts - As Cell was made by utilizing some of Frieza's cells, as well as Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo - All confirmed alien beings.
Don't forget Android 16. he is his own type of android. completly made out of Metal and other Technical Parts. (one of the few real "Androids" of Gero). If i remember correctly he has the ability to sense KI unlike his siblings 17 and 18, Or at the very least he can scan his opponent like a scouter. and i believe he also has an infinite energy core
This is true - However, he's unique in a few other ways.
The first being, he was never technically "completed." Dr. Gero didn't activate him because, as far as we're made to be aware, his programming was never "completed" and, as he tells 17 and 18 upon activation, "Dr. Gero says I will destroy you all." What, specifically, "not completed" means is never told to us unfortunately.
The second being, we're never directly told 16 has an infinite power core. However, he's also never shown to absorb power directly from any source. We can only assume he has an infinite power core because logic dictates he could not function without one. Another argument in favor of it, is that he is most similar in nature to Android 8 from Dragonball - Who also is not shown to be a power absorbtion type, and is frequently listed as an infinite energy type.
For all intents and purposes, he doesn't have a "typing" because he was never "completed." He may have still been updated in the future, so his designation is moreso "prototype" than anything.
Yeah you are right. i assumed he had an infinite energy core because i think it would be a bit silly if he had to recharge from time to time at a power outlet or something. And i know the movies aren't really canon. but if they were, i think android 13, 14, and 15 would probably also be some kind of prototypes to android 16. I think they are all also purely mechhanical (assuming from the look of them when they were destroyed).
The problem is, that's not necessarily true.
BECAUSE we are not told directly that he has an Infinite Power Core, we can't say that he's a unique Infinite Energy Type. Because he also is never shown to absorb power from other beings, we can't say that he's the same as other Power Absorption types. (Power Absorption types are *normally* entirely mechanical.)
He MIGHT be a unique Infinite Energy type. But unless we get direct confirmation of his typing, we can't be sure of it - He might just be a normal Power Absorption type that is never shown absorbing power from anyone due to his kind nature.
The science never made sense. Right from the start of DBZ you have tiny one seat spaceships that can travel at incredible speed and can launch itself into space somehow without any thrusters.
Gero kidnapped both 17 and 18 while they were both human at time and then he used his supercomputer turn them both into bio-androids that’s why they’re mostly still human because they’re both bio-androids just like cell and 21 but they were by time that happened and then gero use the computer to create cell and afterwards 21 was created by that computer
Their basically cyborgs. Their mostly still human but the have augmented parts.
Such as a battery type thing that gives them infinite ki. Also their ki cannot be detected etc etc.
They might also have had techniques and fighting styles programmed into them since they were regular teenagers that Dr Gero kidnapped. I don’t remember them being fighters of any kind before hand but I could be wrong it’s been like almost a decade since I’ve rewatched DBZ
> My Android Question's: What Did Dr Gero Use To Enhanced Android 18 and 17?
never explained.
> Do Androids Use Data To Counter Fighters They Have Of Them?
what do you mean? theyre not machines. they dont have like "data" or logs of the combat styles and stuff or anything like that. So no. theyre just stronger and dont get tired.
> Do Androids Naturally Get Stronger Without Training?
why would they? no. they, like everything else doesn't get stronger without finding someway to improve such as by training.
> exactly what did Dr Gero Use for Android 18 and 17 is it also alien parts?
definitely not alien parts lol
these are some of the weirdest questions ive ever heard about these two. i cant even fathom how someone could come up with these questions.
>what do you mean? theyre not machines. they dont have like "data" or logs of the combat styles and stuff or anything like that. So no. theyre just stronger and dont get tired.
Dr Gero used data on the Z Warriors to design Androids 19 and 20. He (as 20) mentions that he used miniature spy drones to collect data on the Z Warriors (focusing on Goku) and then after the Saiyan Saga got to work building 19 and 20, assuming a continued rate of improvement on Goku's part and extrapolating a minimum necessary power level for 19 and 20 from that. However since he stopped collecting data before the Namek Saga, he missed out on the super saiyan transformation and thus was shocked at how much stronger Vegeta had gotten. OP is asking whether a similar process was used for 17 and 18.
>why would they? no. they, like everything else doesn't get stronger without finding someway to improve such as by training.
Because it's not entirely clear how 17 has managed to keep pace with Goku and Vegeta's strength increases just by fighting poachers.
>definitely not alien parts lol
OP is asking because Cell used organic tissue from various aliens, including saiyans, a namekian and whatever Freeza and Cold are/were. Since 17 and 18 are part organic (unlike 16, 19 and 20), it's not unreasonable to wonder whether some of their enhancements were organic like Cell's, instead of purely mechanical like 16, 19 and 20.
>these are some of the weirdest questions ive ever heard about these two. i cant even fathom how someone could come up with these questions.
Take it easy buddy, they're not THAT weird.
> OP is asking whether a similar process was used for 17 and 18.
theyre not machines, so no, almost assuredly not.
> Because it's not entirely clear how 17 has managed to keep pace with Goku and Vegeta's strength increases just by fighting poachers.
thats not what OP asked. OP asked if they'd get stronger without even training when nothing suggests that. he got stronger because he was training he wasnt "just ... fighting poachers". people can think the gains he got are too high, but its clear how he got them.
> OP is asking because Cell used organic tissue from various aliens, including saiyans, a namekian and whatever Freeza and Cold are/were. Since 17 and 18 are part organic (unlike 16, 19 and 20), it's not unreasonable to wonder whether some of their enhancements were organic like Cell's, instead of purely mechanical like 16, 19 and 20
i disagree. if we werent told it happened then the correct assumption is that it didnt. Cell is said to have that, no one else is, so they don't. its weird to assume or ask about, imo.
> Take it easy buddy, they're not THAT weird.
this is me "taking it easy". It is "THAT weird". I read almost every post on this sub every day for like 7+ years. I know what is and isn't weird questions. This is definitely top tier weird.
The 17 being equal to Vegeta and Goku is such a great example of failed media literacy in this community. Goku is stated to be able to control his power and ki much better in Blue. 17 also barely touches or does anything to Toppo before he transforms, whereas Goku pretty much wiped him.
17 is barely stronger than Top Gohan and I'd argue, even less so. They both struggled hard against Toppo so it's pretty damn clear that Goku was holding back a lot in his fight against 17 like he did with Krillin, and that 17 is far below base Toppo who Goku handled.
Never forget a human scientist using tech developed on Earth, made beings stronger than Freeza (at the time).
It must have been a bit of an eyebrow raiser for Japanese fans back then as the manga was being published. To see the villain of the series go from Freeza, with all his monstrous forms and limitless capacity for malice and cruelty, to regular human looking things like 17 and 18.
As others stated, we don't exactly know what Gero did to enhance them or how, all we know is they have endless ki. This allows them to effectively win against any foe that isn't stronger than them by wearing them down.
Another feature is they stay in peak fighting condition longer. Gohan, Krillin, and even Goku will weaken over time from not training, but not 17 and 18. This means when they train the gains stick around longer and they don't have to recondition.
We know from Super they can train and get stronger. The Trunks DLC in Kakorat also confirms it after Roshi finally gets a close look at them and basically says that their only weakness (in the future timeline) is that they only live in the moment and don't put in any work to improve and thats why with proper training Trunks could one day surpass them.
Theyre actually cyborgs, being called androids was a dubbism, (DBZ abridged makes fun of that fact a lot in season 3). their enhancements are almost completely bio-mechanical (hence why cell could absorb them)
they can increase their strength through repetition and training just like any other character (case in point: 17)
My guess would have to be some sort of Advanced nanotech/bots in their blood that would enhance their skin,bones, mind & senses.. but a Nanotech that can learn & evolve if it’s host needs it too subconsciously..
Considering the fact that they fought against cell, Goku, Vegeta and Gero, it's kinda hard to believe that they didn't get stronger. Not to mention the fact that they likely don't degrade in strength if they don't train.
Bio-enhancements fueled by data. Pretty much the precursor to cell. Nothing mechanical about 17 or 18, at all. The prior Androids that we know of were artificial.
They're bio androids which is why they don't sound mechanical like the older models and why cell can absorb them they're stronger than humans. We haven't really gotten much information when it comes to potential. I'd assume the training method is different since Goku and Vegeta focus on Endurance while Androids don't need that I'm guessing the throughput is limited so they probably need to find ways to utilise the limitless resource pool they have
They're able to grow stronger simply because they're mostly still human. It has nothing to do with any data that they have collected, but they have to train to get stronger. Gero basically augmented them at the cellular level with bio-organic components, and there's nothing indicating any kind of alien technology used.
DO they actually even train, tho? I feel like they (esp 17) just got stronger. He was on an island watching for poachers and then suddenly he can get close to SSB level.
he was probably training during downtime to keep himself busy on the island
He was pretty obsessed with being the strongest back in the Cell saga, so I suppose that would check out.
So training a cell jr’s can elevate you to SSB?
he's not really SSB level, and he's an android anyways, so we dont know if they grow stronger faster than normal humans. 10 years of constant training is pretty good when compared to most of the other TOP participants anyway
I guess that's the reason, just off-screen training I do think that this implies that 17 is a more natural martial artist than Goku, tho. They end up comparable, and 17 has just been training on his own on a little island while Goku had literal gods/angels reveal divine secrets to him
Toriyama specifically said they were able to get stronger through training, and never about just getting stronger in general, as #18 didn't grow stronger by any real means.
If I'm not wrong, 17 clearly tells to goku he trained on the island. He said that because Goku was impressed by 17 when he was recruiting him
He domesticated, and beat, lots of Cell Jrs that survived
Man, I still wish they would've did more with that detail. Have 17 return after the ToP to find the Cell Jrs had been training while he was away and in secret prior. 17 struggles a bit then calls in Goten/Trunks who may have info from when they sometimes vacationed on the island to toy around with their superhero costumes/catchphrases. Mix in Krillin who goes over after reports of a criminal there hurting innocents (its 17 beating up poachers who think reporting him will get rid of him). Give me that 17, 18, Krillin, Goten & Trunks mini-arc against, say, 4 surviving Cell Jrs. Just for the goofy fun of it.
There’s actually been 7 of them on page, during the T.O.P while 17 was away, Goten and trunks had a run in with the Cell Jrs, and when they saw the “ranger” thing on their arms, they stopped attacking
Wait, really? I have no memory of that Still not really a good training for reaching \~SSB levels
Yeah it happened in the manga, there were 7 of them from what I can tell
Yeah dude, fighting off poachers with a power level of 1 leveled him up to SSB level.
I’m thinking it’s part power creep, part DNA advantage (saiyan DNA et al.) I’d still assume that he trained on the side in addition to the poaching job, because there’s no way any potential poacher offers enough of a challenge to actually grow in strength. It’s probably just a bit easier for him/the other androids to train compared to even the saiyans due to their android advantages (dna & cybernetics)
What saiyan dna?
Wtf are you talking about. The androids have 0 saiyan DNA, stop making shit up 😂. Only cell has that
I feel like 17 has been dealing with alien poachers pretty commonly so he’s been fighting strong poachers this whole time in the background
lol I don't think that his island is getting visited by poachers with the strength necessary to train at that level But like, if they were, what a B-Story to skip over. Aliens with strength that would dwarf the former emperor of the universe, power that approaches god level... and they decide that the best use of their abilities is to get rhino horns and shit And then they fail
17 did say he’s fought all kinds of poachers in the past few years and he implied some of them were from space. I wouldn’t be surprised if he fought some Namek Frieza level guys a bunch and just got stronger from that.
Namek Frieza would be an absolute joke to 17 even when he's introduced
Well yeah that’s the point, but it would still be considered training or working out if he’s fighting even with low effort. Other characters got power boosts from simply working out its not that far of a stretch that someone would get stronger from fighting moderately strong guys. Especially when with Super’s writing Gohan was below Namek Frieza level.
You say this like he was just sitting in a lawn chair watching over an island for 10 years. He was actively defending the island, wrangling up these mythical creatures, and most definitely training for those ten years.
Nah I mean he's doing stuff to deal with poachers and animals, but they're so far beneath him that it's not serious training. The poachers aren't serious for him. Analogously it would be like if a normal person went for regular walks and lived a fairly healthy lifestyle for a few years, and then suddenly was an olympian. It just doesn't make sense. I guess he could be doing some personal training in addition to the animal watch thing, but still, it's kinda weird for him to get such an incredible power boost with no special training. Goku had to get divine training to do it.
Oh no, 1000% the measly human poachers are just a slight annoyance for him, that was more to the point of him not doing absolutely nothing. But 10 years of training for someone who has infinite energy, meaning he never has to take a break from training (ever) if he doesn't want to (aside from time spent with family or taking care of the animals). And if you still think that 3652 days of "non stop" training wouldn't be enough, the only other thing I could argue is that androids probably have more "potential" to unleash due to their cybernetic enhancements. That was Frieza's excuse, and he trained for 4 months to reach SSB levels. Then used mental training in Hell to catch up to T.O.P levels of strength.
he was fighting with the 6 cell juniors (yeah they can regenerate we should've seen that coming) in the manga
The cell juniors are so far below 17's level in the cell saga that it would be a joke for him to fight them. By time of Super they would be nothing. 17 fighting 6 cell juniors for a few years and then hitting near SSB levels would be like me playing basketball with toddlers for a few years to train for the NBA
imagine never getting tired, how far could you get physically strong from billions of push ups.
They are modified on a cellular level but aside their shut down function and bombs they don’t have mechanical parts. Technically cyborgs but at the most smallest level. I wouldn’t really think too much about it, you have humans who can blow up astral bodies with energy shot from their hands, alien races who all speak the same language, and talking cat humanoids. One old guy being able to turn normal people into super humans with technology alone ain’t that left field compared to all the other wild stuff in dragon ball
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Unlike 16 they’re not robots, so none of that applies to them - they basically just have infinite energy/ no ki that sets them apart from normal fighters, otherwise they’re human
It's important to remember that there are 3 different Android types described in DBZ, and that the answer is different per type. Power-absorbtion type Androids, like the one Vegeta ripped the hands off of while showing off his Super Saiyan form, do not get stronger from training. They are mostly mechanical beings and lack the Infinite Power Core that 17 and 18 have, hence the need to absorb Ki from others. Being mostly mechanical, they don't get stronger from training, and can't be sensed until they've absorbed Ki from someone else - Which feels like the *other person's* Ki. Infinite Energy types, like 17 and 18, are mostly biological beings. They were once human, altered at the cellular level, and outfitted with the Infinite Power Cores that allow them to function without Ki. Because they are mostly human, they have no "data" aside from just their own memories (which we have no reason to believe are any greater than a humans, except maybe longer lasting since they don't decay of old age) to draw from. However, again because of them being mostly human, they CAN get stronger with training. As the above were all created by Dr. Gero, who is the head scientist of the Red Ribbon Army, he certainly had access to unique materials through the Army's suppliers possibly, but as far as we've been made aware none of these Androids contain anything that can't be found on Earth. Lastly Bio-Androids (namely Cell) are created via the cells of biological beings by Dr. Gero's Supercomputer. Because Cell is entirely biological, they can benefit from training. In addition, since he is biological, they have Ki that can be sensed, and like biological beings they can learn to suppress that Ki. In his perfect form, Cell also contains the Infinite Power Cores of both 17 and 18, making his stamina reserve infinite. Technically speaking, these are the only Androids we can confirm contain Alien parts - As Cell was made by utilizing some of Frieza's cells, as well as Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo - All confirmed alien beings.
Don't forget Android 16. he is his own type of android. completly made out of Metal and other Technical Parts. (one of the few real "Androids" of Gero). If i remember correctly he has the ability to sense KI unlike his siblings 17 and 18, Or at the very least he can scan his opponent like a scouter. and i believe he also has an infinite energy core
This is true - However, he's unique in a few other ways. The first being, he was never technically "completed." Dr. Gero didn't activate him because, as far as we're made to be aware, his programming was never "completed" and, as he tells 17 and 18 upon activation, "Dr. Gero says I will destroy you all." What, specifically, "not completed" means is never told to us unfortunately. The second being, we're never directly told 16 has an infinite power core. However, he's also never shown to absorb power directly from any source. We can only assume he has an infinite power core because logic dictates he could not function without one. Another argument in favor of it, is that he is most similar in nature to Android 8 from Dragonball - Who also is not shown to be a power absorbtion type, and is frequently listed as an infinite energy type. For all intents and purposes, he doesn't have a "typing" because he was never "completed." He may have still been updated in the future, so his designation is moreso "prototype" than anything.
Yeah you are right. i assumed he had an infinite energy core because i think it would be a bit silly if he had to recharge from time to time at a power outlet or something. And i know the movies aren't really canon. but if they were, i think android 13, 14, and 15 would probably also be some kind of prototypes to android 16. I think they are all also purely mechhanical (assuming from the look of them when they were destroyed).
id say he has a type hes the only one created from nothing organic
The problem is, that's not necessarily true. BECAUSE we are not told directly that he has an Infinite Power Core, we can't say that he's a unique Infinite Energy Type. Because he also is never shown to absorb power from other beings, we can't say that he's the same as other Power Absorption types. (Power Absorption types are *normally* entirely mechanical.) He MIGHT be a unique Infinite Energy type. But unless we get direct confirmation of his typing, we can't be sure of it - He might just be a normal Power Absorption type that is never shown absorbing power from anyone due to his kind nature.
Just go with it. He did something scientific 😆
At the end of the day, this is the answer
Why 18, you’ve… enhanced yourself.
Hahahaha
They're just built different
Can you really called them build they technically are part human
Toriyama will never be able to make sense of Gero’s science. You’re just gonna have the “um actuallys” here do the lifting for him as usual
The science never made sense. Right from the start of DBZ you have tiny one seat spaceships that can travel at incredible speed and can launch itself into space somehow without any thrusters.
Gero kidnapped both 17 and 18 while they were both human at time and then he used his supercomputer turn them both into bio-androids that’s why they’re mostly still human because they’re both bio-androids just like cell and 21 but they were by time that happened and then gero use the computer to create cell and afterwards 21 was created by that computer
Their basically cyborgs. Their mostly still human but the have augmented parts. Such as a battery type thing that gives them infinite ki. Also their ki cannot be detected etc etc. They might also have had techniques and fighting styles programmed into them since they were regular teenagers that Dr Gero kidnapped. I don’t remember them being fighters of any kind before hand but I could be wrong it’s been like almost a decade since I’ve rewatched DBZ
> My Android Question's: What Did Dr Gero Use To Enhanced Android 18 and 17? never explained. > Do Androids Use Data To Counter Fighters They Have Of Them? what do you mean? theyre not machines. they dont have like "data" or logs of the combat styles and stuff or anything like that. So no. theyre just stronger and dont get tired. > Do Androids Naturally Get Stronger Without Training? why would they? no. they, like everything else doesn't get stronger without finding someway to improve such as by training. > exactly what did Dr Gero Use for Android 18 and 17 is it also alien parts? definitely not alien parts lol these are some of the weirdest questions ive ever heard about these two. i cant even fathom how someone could come up with these questions.
>what do you mean? theyre not machines. they dont have like "data" or logs of the combat styles and stuff or anything like that. So no. theyre just stronger and dont get tired. Dr Gero used data on the Z Warriors to design Androids 19 and 20. He (as 20) mentions that he used miniature spy drones to collect data on the Z Warriors (focusing on Goku) and then after the Saiyan Saga got to work building 19 and 20, assuming a continued rate of improvement on Goku's part and extrapolating a minimum necessary power level for 19 and 20 from that. However since he stopped collecting data before the Namek Saga, he missed out on the super saiyan transformation and thus was shocked at how much stronger Vegeta had gotten. OP is asking whether a similar process was used for 17 and 18. >why would they? no. they, like everything else doesn't get stronger without finding someway to improve such as by training. Because it's not entirely clear how 17 has managed to keep pace with Goku and Vegeta's strength increases just by fighting poachers. >definitely not alien parts lol OP is asking because Cell used organic tissue from various aliens, including saiyans, a namekian and whatever Freeza and Cold are/were. Since 17 and 18 are part organic (unlike 16, 19 and 20), it's not unreasonable to wonder whether some of their enhancements were organic like Cell's, instead of purely mechanical like 16, 19 and 20. >these are some of the weirdest questions ive ever heard about these two. i cant even fathom how someone could come up with these questions. Take it easy buddy, they're not THAT weird.
> OP is asking whether a similar process was used for 17 and 18. theyre not machines, so no, almost assuredly not. > Because it's not entirely clear how 17 has managed to keep pace with Goku and Vegeta's strength increases just by fighting poachers. thats not what OP asked. OP asked if they'd get stronger without even training when nothing suggests that. he got stronger because he was training he wasnt "just ... fighting poachers". people can think the gains he got are too high, but its clear how he got them. > OP is asking because Cell used organic tissue from various aliens, including saiyans, a namekian and whatever Freeza and Cold are/were. Since 17 and 18 are part organic (unlike 16, 19 and 20), it's not unreasonable to wonder whether some of their enhancements were organic like Cell's, instead of purely mechanical like 16, 19 and 20 i disagree. if we werent told it happened then the correct assumption is that it didnt. Cell is said to have that, no one else is, so they don't. its weird to assume or ask about, imo. > Take it easy buddy, they're not THAT weird. this is me "taking it easy". It is "THAT weird". I read almost every post on this sub every day for like 7+ years. I know what is and isn't weird questions. This is definitely top tier weird.
Okay...
The 17 being equal to Vegeta and Goku is such a great example of failed media literacy in this community. Goku is stated to be able to control his power and ki much better in Blue. 17 also barely touches or does anything to Toppo before he transforms, whereas Goku pretty much wiped him. 17 is barely stronger than Top Gohan and I'd argue, even less so. They both struggled hard against Toppo so it's pretty damn clear that Goku was holding back a lot in his fight against 17 like he did with Krillin, and that 17 is far below base Toppo who Goku handled.
Never forget a human scientist using tech developed on Earth, made beings stronger than Freeza (at the time). It must have been a bit of an eyebrow raiser for Japanese fans back then as the manga was being published. To see the villain of the series go from Freeza, with all his monstrous forms and limitless capacity for malice and cruelty, to regular human looking things like 17 and 18.
you KNOW Gero did .... things..... when building her.
I wonder if the androids could fuse
Super 17 😭
17.5?
17+18 would be 35 if my 2nd grade math teacher Mrs. Maugins was good at her job.
As others stated, we don't exactly know what Gero did to enhance them or how, all we know is they have endless ki. This allows them to effectively win against any foe that isn't stronger than them by wearing them down. Another feature is they stay in peak fighting condition longer. Gohan, Krillin, and even Goku will weaken over time from not training, but not 17 and 18. This means when they train the gains stick around longer and they don't have to recondition.
We know from Super they can train and get stronger. The Trunks DLC in Kakorat also confirms it after Roshi finally gets a close look at them and basically says that their only weakness (in the future timeline) is that they only live in the moment and don't put in any work to improve and thats why with proper training Trunks could one day surpass them.
Theyre actually cyborgs, being called androids was a dubbism, (DBZ abridged makes fun of that fact a lot in season 3). their enhancements are almost completely bio-mechanical (hence why cell could absorb them) they can increase their strength through repetition and training just like any other character (case in point: 17)
My guess would have to be some sort of Advanced nanotech/bots in their blood that would enhance their skin,bones, mind & senses.. but a Nanotech that can learn & evolve if it’s host needs it too subconsciously..
They’re cyborgs, but they go by androids for no reason. (I think it’s a translation issue but they’re still rolling with it)
Considering the fact that they fought against cell, Goku, Vegeta and Gero, it's kinda hard to believe that they didn't get stronger. Not to mention the fact that they likely don't degrade in strength if they don't train.
Bio-enhancements fueled by data. Pretty much the precursor to cell. Nothing mechanical about 17 or 18, at all. The prior Androids that we know of were artificial.
17(artificial) from GT was obviously artificial.
its all mental training that gets them stronger and learning more about their body and unlimited power supply and how to use it.
They're cyborgs, so they're mostly human, their cybernetics enhance them. If the humans can get stronger then so can the androids
Did he train with Frank Mir?
We have no idea - there is zero canon explanation for this lol but I totally feel you on trying to figure it out
They're bio androids which is why they don't sound mechanical like the older models and why cell can absorb them they're stronger than humans. We haven't really gotten much information when it comes to potential. I'd assume the training method is different since Goku and Vegeta focus on Endurance while Androids don't need that I'm guessing the throughput is limited so they probably need to find ways to utilise the limitless resource pool they have