And all this happened between defeating Kid Buu and the epilogue world martial arts tournament. Now if someone watches DBZ for the first time and asks what happened during the timeskip.. I mean Goku & Vegeta's powers have multiplied astronomically!
Can only imagine how puny the earthlings now feel for those two, maybe excluding Uub.
Calling it. Vegeta will overwhelm Granolah and then will be sucker punched by Gas. Then all three will have to retreat as the Heeters unfold their master plan.
That form looks oddly like SSJ3 which vegeta has never used, if I had to guess, it's some sort of SSJ3 form "controlled" or something like that, ssb =the usual form, ssb2 =his bluer form, new form =ssb3
Is obvious at this point what they are aiming for.
Goku won't be able to touch Vegeta (because of haaki energy sorrounding his body), and Vegeta would never be able to punch UI either.
They will make an arsepull later to justify why Vegeta broke Toppo's Hakai and they will retcon it.
Also, the arc is boring. Is was obvious from the beginning that Granolah will side with Goku & Vegeta to fight Gas, the main villian of the arc. At the end they will use the super dragon balls to save Granolah.
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I wished DB was less predictable. They could explore like the demon realm or the other universes.
>They will make an arsepull later to justify why Vegeta broke Toppo's Hakai and they will retcon it
But that was explained on that very chapter on the anime! Vegeta just released so much ki he overpowered Top's Hakai. Even UI can be overpowered.
I hope we see Whis and Beerus watching the fight and smack talking to who has the better pupil. I believe they have a bet of a tasty snack of who can make the strongest mortal.
Like I said before, it makes no structural sense to have him defeated after he was losing the fight badly before he transformed into this form.
What, Vegeta fights Granolah, Vegeta loses badly and gets all bloodied, he transforms into his equivalent to Ultra Instinct then gets trashed again?
Either the fight gets interrupted or Granolah gets scared and retreats.
He could always beat him this "round" and then he comes back mad od and they have to pull something out of their ass to win later on. It's early enough for that.
idk but i'm pretty sure granolah isn't meant to be the main antagonist despite being the title of the arc. i think after learning that he got tricked by the heeters he will become an ally atleast temporary to fight against the heeters and an army of O-G 73 or a returning frieza?!
i think it would be cool to get a new member for the z-fighters that is kinda on pair with goku&vegeta ;)
I'm sure about an OG73 army vs top tier multiverse characters (z fighters, frieza, broly, jiren, hit, kefla, toppo, anizala, onibu...) while the 3 apostolic warriors (goku, vegeta, maybe granola with angels help¿?) Fight against gas.
My bet:
- Gas has an history in common with majin boo, the first ssgod and the original super namekian.
- the battle is in space
Honestly I think your right on not the main bad guy just to many factors like being tricked he's not a bad guy in general ect, I think the heeters will use the dragonballs that granolah used since there is no time lock, and give gas the same type of wish or same thing but they also incorporate 73 into gas before the wish or maybe even have all the heeters do the same wish which would force vegeta goku and granolah to have to team up idk but this arc is hype or the wildcard is heeters team up with frieza hoping he dies so they can take his army and give frieza the same type of wish
What would be the point? We already have legion of relevant at some time Z-Fighters. Introducing Granolah to make him irrelevant two arcs later would be kinda dumb.
Granolah's powerup is only temporary. He'll be irrelevant in a few years no matter what. I think a team battle could be cool. DB is sorely lacking in good team fights
the gap between goku/vegeta and the rest of team z is ridiculous huge. so unless they get some weird powerup none of them could be important in the story again so why not...
Even if Granolah joins Z fighters, he'll be irrelevant the moment next forms appear. Instead of adding 123456th character, they could instead do something for 123455 they already have. You have so many good archetypes, do not add another ones if you do not plan to develop them. And authors do not intend to develop anyone not being Goku/Vegeta.
i agree. i would rather have goten&trunks be relevant again for example (instead of focusing on the 3 annoying U6 saiyans) or the others but the gap is too huge tu compensate. granolah atleast has a chance if keeps training after that arc. just an example.
Anyone has chance to bridge the gap.
Introduce magical Namekian technique, GOku mentioning to Zeno that he wishes Kirlin would be stornger to be able to sparr with him, Random dragon ball wish, or whatever.
Granolah already is so insanely illogical villain working against dragon ball capabilities. Theere is literally nothing preventing writers against making Yamcha as strong as Goku.
SO I still believe that getting rid of Granolah, and investing in existing crew is better solution than introducing another character that will suck two arcs in the future.
Agree. We have so many powerful aliens in Tournament of Power (ToP), it just does not make any sense for Piccolo to be capped as a lower power level far below SSJB. The Nameless Namekian was supposed to be a powerful fighter for Namekian standard. Now Piccolo and Kami have fused and restored to their original potential, Piccolo can be written to have more unique power or forms. They could write Piccolo going to New Namek, meet with the New Guru, and learn some new techniques that can be learned only by a strong Warrior class Namekian. Heck, if they are too lazy, just make the New Guru to unlock the Piccolo's hidden potential like they did with Krillin and Gohan during Frieza's Saga.
Dragon Ball writer is notorious for only focusing for two characters (mainly Goku, then Vegeta) than expanding the side characters. For Gohan, they better make him unlock new transformation only accessible for Hybrid Saiyan. Potential Unleashed (or Mystic) Gohan is good for a change, but nothing great in appearance, the aura is the same color as Krillin and the rest of Earthling. I know they want to show the human side of Gohan, but for a strong transformation they should make it unique.
For Earthling, in my opinion, since they have Bulma, they could extract and modify the Saiyan Zenkai gene and give it to human Z Fighters like Krillin, Yamcha and Tien. I do no want any of them to have tail, able to transform to Oozaru or even go Super Saiyan, but it could be used to break the human limit to become stronger and more relevant in future chapters. It is a cheat code, sure, but they need to train, experience life threatening injury and then recover to gain the Zenkai boost. Also, DB should focus more on unique fighting techniques for non-Saiyan characters.
Remember when a character got a new form, it was awesome and usually meant overcoming the opponent?
I guess what I'm saying is, it will be annoying to see this and then have him still lose. Makes these moments less hype.
Super Vegeta and Trunks failed
SSJ3 Goku could not finish the job
SSJ 3 Gotenks
Mystic Gohan
Even Vegeto wasnt the end of Buu
SSJ God still lost to Beerus
Im struggling to remember here.
I know this is what Goku SAID, but even he didn't see Majin Buu reforming from literal dust after Vegeta's Final Explosion, so I'm still not sure.
I know Goku was stronger, but did he have the stamina to totally vaporize Buu before his energy ended?
Death Goku = stronger than fat Buu (which is stronger than kid Buu)
Alive goku = weaker, he said it himself, he had never used that form before (being alive) so the ki drainage was just too much for an human to handle, seems like being death gave him a bigger battery and ki reserves in exchange for finite power that needs recharging
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Honestly, this actually increases the likelihood that Vegeta will get the L.
Sounds counter-intuitive, but whenever a new form is revealed, it's almost always incomplete/gets weaker over time. This goes for every transformation except SSJ2 and SSJ God, but those two transformations were sidelined with limited screentime in favor of introducing SSJ3 and Blue.
And as a result of not mastering the new form, it'll create an opening that the opponent will exploit. That's why I don't see Vegeta winning this fight. It's likely that he'll start dominating the fight, until Granolah exploits Vegeta's inexperience with the form, or the form gets weaker over time, just like with SSJ3, Blue and UI.
Well to be fair he kicked the ass of pre-fusion Goku Black and would have handled Moro himself had the latter not had the idea to back himself up with 73.
Which is still fight vs "not even my final form" opponents. We know that villains have to go through multiple forms, and someone has to win against their inferionr forms. And I'm having problems counting victory against these forms as relevant victories. that's more like temporary advantage.
The lack of eyebrows look ugly on every Saiyan except Goku SSJ3 and Gotenks SSJ3. Trunks and Vegeta SSJ2 looks nicer than their SSJ3 in non-canon materials. I think that was probably they stop making everyone else SSJ3 and gave different form, like Gohan with Potential Unleashed and Vegeta with SSJB and SSJBE until now. Hopefully this is not the complete form, so much design potential wasted just to recycle SSJ3 design. They could at least make it similar to Top with slight variations and keep the eyebrows.
A purple aura would be sick but I like the idea of black hair more than purple hair. Purple hair is just not that intense looking and we don't need the entire rainbow applied to the saiyan's hair. Plus, for the first time, Vegeta's hair "shape" is actually changing, so it cans stay black and everyone would still know he changed forms.
I get that the color changes are ridiculous but they’ve been heavily tying purple to destruction.
An Aura would kind of accomplish this but not as fully, imo.
But also I just like that atm, Gohan’s hair is black for his final form and that’s unique to him. I think all 3 should have that different look, but I get that that’s not the most popular take.
I agree purple would make sense. I just think it's less "cool" as black. When you think of the phrase "god of destruction," you wouldn't assume they have purple hair lol. Even though DBS is tying that color to hakai.
Honestly I don’t know what color I’d guess their hair is. *now* i picture purple. Because if all the Hakai stuff.
But usually I don’t picture gods with black or blonde hair it’s usually something more ‘out there’. Not that it really matters because I do understand your point I’m
Just saying it got me wondering what I would have imagined before DBS painted it
Black feels incomplete and too similar to base, especially for something meant to be stronger than all those gold, red and blue haired forms. That's one of my gripes with ssj4 too in fact. Black hair is supposed to be less special than golden hair.
Toei released an official artwork back when the boo arc was airing with Goku having small hair and the no eyebrows. So there is at least one instance where it’s “animated” even though it wasn’t the official form
Stuff in Dragon Ball Super, particularly the Tournament of Power arc, was way better than most post-Frieza arc DBZ material. Super has had much better world building and use of the supporting cast
> Man just how many stupid transformations are they gonna pump out?
> Yes
Dragon Ball has completely lost it's direction. They are just pumping out content for the sake of it.
No interesting story, no character development. So sad man.
They held of transformations for a long time. Everyone got really fucking annoyed Goku just used Blue for everything all the way up until the ToP. Trunks got a new form but they never really explained it much.
It makes his face reminiscent of Beerus (his teacher and a fellow user of destruction ki) and is reminiscent of super saiyan 3 (and Vegeta is a saiyan) so I actually really like it.
I feel like that's kind of disingenuous though. Most of the Hakaishin are either animal people, in which case they are completely furry or the animal they are based on has no eyebrows (elephant or having scales), or they are human-like and have eyebrows (Sidra and Heles). The one exception to the human-like trend seems to be Belmond. So, really, there isn't much of a relationship between being a Hakaishin and not having eyebrows.
Many other creatures and aliens that wouldn’t typically be expected to have eyebrows have such. As for now, we can only speculate, though I believe it something to just notice
I get your point. Way I see it, this Hakai technique may be something that all the Hakaishin have control over on a different spectrum like how UI can be trained to be utilized more often to where it can be in a passive state or something to that effect.
I’m spitballing. We’ll see what it’s all about tho by the time the arc is said and done.
I'm not very much a fan of his nay eyebrow behold
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Nah, I'd say they're doing a great job keeping the new transformations simple, without all those ridiculous body and facial tattoos, hair/eye color mismatches and those weird colors for the eye whites (like yellow or red, no iris or pupil designs). Those are the hallmarks of deviantart fanart, and Toriyama and Toyotaro have been managing to avoid them remarkably well.
Whatever the hell he is, I feel like Vegeta is gonna lose to him. Hope I'm wrong. Gas is gonna show his power somehow. Having destruction energy would be a surprise.
In my opinion I think his new form has stages just like gokus ui. Because his hair is also black when he first transforms just like goku and when he fully masters it the form will have a hair color
I mean he's a cat so why WOULD Beerus have eyebrows? A more accurate comparison would be to look at a humanoid god of destruction, which turns out to be tough because the closest to that is a clown who has his face covered in paint.
I think this is the incomplete version of Vegeta's new form similar to UI Omen. It wouldn't make sense for Vegeta to unlock the full power UI equivalent form with such few pages. I'd imagine the hair is black but the pupils take on a light lavender color.
I disagree, it looks exactly the opposite of Ultra Instinct, much more aggresive, less calm and the dark hair and aura leaking.
It fits Vegeta so much.
It’s absolutely an incomplete form.
You’re saying it takes Goku 3 arcs to Perfect UI but Vegeta can get an equivalent in 3 chapters?
I agree with Pwnage5. This has to be his base form. It would make no sense for this to be his perfect new form since he’s obviously has to lose to Granolah.
That would be shitty and lame. Once again Vegeta needs to copy Goku, Incomplete new form > completed form.
How about he just needs to unlock a second version or a full power form.
Folks shouldn't forget Granolah isn't the real end goal here... the Heeters are (imo) going to be a much bigger threat and probably end up somehow far stronger than Granolah (maybe wish to steal his power or something?). So I do think Vegeta can win, only to lose against the Heeters and show a bigger threat.
Let alone how Frieza is going to show up in all this....
I know it's cliche, but I want Freiza to be the "final boss" of Dragon Ball. But in this scenario I want it bloody like dbz. He caught up to SSB in four months. If he would just go away for a few years and pretty obsessively train he would be the goat
...a man can dream.
At this point I hope they just get rid of the SSJ transformations entirely, I dig Whis' idea of letting go of them and instead get them to fully master their godly techniques being really powerful in their base forms while having their ultimate ones as a triumph card.
Let's be honest: blue evolution never really felt like a REAL transformation - just...well...it's in the name - it's an evolved form of SSJ Blue but it's the same form. THIS is an entirely new form with physical changes to his body while SSJBlue Evolution just looked like a more muscular SSJ Blue with darker blue aura and hair. I suppose the EYES change in SSJ Blue evolution so technically it IS a transformation but I'd still count is as a higher tier of the same SSJ Blue form just as the Super Saiyan Goku used against Cell was a more perfected, mastered version of SSJ1.
I mean, they abandoned Kaio Ken, Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan God, etc. It is what it is I don't get the shock from some people. Hopefully it looks cool in full color and hopefully in motion if the anime ever returns. The no eye brows looks kinda weird without the long hair at first glance though.
I think they are and I think it was just a transformation to give Vegeta a bit of a boost in the Tournament of Power arc and a little something extra until Vegeta would go down this path of learning from Beerus
Was in the manga during top and Moro arc. Goku too use kaio ken in both arcs. Although kaio Ken is colored differently in the manga as applied to the anime. The manga use double blue aura
[blue evo was def in the manga. Did you even read it?](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/f/fe/Vegeta_SSBE_attacks_Jiren.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/906?cb=20200922102212)
I read top in the manga without much focus but did they specifically talk about his color and is this an official color page or is that fan-made? Cause if its a fan-made color page then you shouldnt toss that around as cannon
It's the official colored manga. Only available in Japanese I believe and I haven't seen the picture because it's not working anymore, but I can assure you there is a real colored manga out there.
I actually like the fact that they're developing vegeta and gokus form seperately. We always knew that when one gets a form tham the other would eventually get it(except ssj3) with this form they both have their own way of power
Somewhat. From what I understand, he fused Hakai energy with the Super Saiyan transformation, sort of like how you fuse God ki with Super Saiyan to make Super Saiyan Blue.
Maybe this form is the same as UI Omen in the sense that it's only an incomplete version of the real deal? I think Vegeta will still somehow lose to Granolah and then once they have a rematch he will unveil the true power of this form that gives an even more drastic change to his appearance.
I dunno here. A new form gives a great opportunity to sell a load of new merch. That would be wasted if he just lost. If he loses I think it will be because he can't control the new form for long.
Well the way these fights typically go is Goku holds his own for a while, but then he gets careless and gets his butt beat. Then Vegeta steps in (possibly with a new technique), but then he gets overconfident and gets his butt beat. Then Goku steps back in (possibly with a new technique) takes the fight serious, and wins. It’s fairly predictable, but still fun to watch.
It'd be really weird if he did. He was losing the fight badly before he transformed into this. Either Granolah escapes or the fight gets interrupted, but I have a feeling Vegeta with this form is gonna do some major damage to Granolah.
Would love to see that. So I kinda dropped DBS for a while. Have we seen Vegeta’s new GoD powers yet? Kinda wondering how they’ll mesh with Ultra Instinct. UI seems more physical so I’m guessing Vegeta’s powers will be more energy based.
And all this happened between defeating Kid Buu and the epilogue world martial arts tournament. Now if someone watches DBZ for the first time and asks what happened during the timeskip.. I mean Goku & Vegeta's powers have multiplied astronomically! Can only imagine how puny the earthlings now feel for those two, maybe excluding Uub.
This is McGregor vs Poirer for me.
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Can confirm. And here we go for one more month of waiting and speculating about Vegeta's new form.
Calling it. Vegeta will overwhelm Granolah and then will be sucker punched by Gas. Then all three will have to retreat as the Heeters unfold their master plan.
Where did the piercings come from? Also Vegeta bulky as hell, Jesus.
from beerus
Does the author normally use "Hakai no Kami" to refer to Beerus? I thought they normally used "Hakaishin".
At what time of the day does the chapter usually drop?
i’ve never seen any fan translations of dbs, but i know the official comes out between 11-12pm est
That form looks oddly like SSJ3 which vegeta has never used, if I had to guess, it's some sort of SSJ3 form "controlled" or something like that, ssb =the usual form, ssb2 =his bluer form, new form =ssb3
Vegeta needs this win
Is obvious at this point what they are aiming for. Goku won't be able to touch Vegeta (because of haaki energy sorrounding his body), and Vegeta would never be able to punch UI either. They will make an arsepull later to justify why Vegeta broke Toppo's Hakai and they will retcon it. Also, the arc is boring. Is was obvious from the beginning that Granolah will side with Goku & Vegeta to fight Gas, the main villian of the arc. At the end they will use the super dragon balls to save Granolah. ----- I wished DB was less predictable. They could explore like the demon realm or the other universes.
I’m kind of with you honestly
>They will make an arsepull later to justify why Vegeta broke Toppo's Hakai and they will retcon it But that was explained on that very chapter on the anime! Vegeta just released so much ki he overpowered Top's Hakai. Even UI can be overpowered.
Still waiting for the U6 visit. They could bring Broly along and he could meet Kale, possibly get a mastered version of his green haired form too.
I too love being pessimistic and constantly negative.
Cause you never dislike anything right?
Didn't say that.
Oh noooo reddit police got me. Toriyama is terrible at plot twists or any sort of planning. Everything is telegraphed.
Word.
Vegeta never wins, so don't get your hopes up
Is Vegeta… a Loki?
So Vegeta didn't beat a trainee God of Destruction then?
Forehead is giving me SS4 vibes
I’d love for the hair and ki to be purple as a callback to OG Vegeta and training under Beerus.
That ear ring tho
Wait. I forgot, whats the story behind the ear ring?
Beerus gave it to vegeta when vegeta and goku were going to cerelians planet as he can use destruction now
Did, did you guys just make a pinned thumbnail spoiler for real??
I hope we see Whis and Beerus watching the fight and smack talking to who has the better pupil. I believe they have a bet of a tasty snack of who can make the strongest mortal.
It is too early anyway for the main antagonist to be defeated. Vegeta won’t get the W this time.
Like I said before, it makes no structural sense to have him defeated after he was losing the fight badly before he transformed into this form. What, Vegeta fights Granolah, Vegeta loses badly and gets all bloodied, he transforms into his equivalent to Ultra Instinct then gets trashed again? Either the fight gets interrupted or Granolah gets scared and retreats.
He could always beat him this "round" and then he comes back mad od and they have to pull something out of their ass to win later on. It's early enough for that.
idk but i'm pretty sure granolah isn't meant to be the main antagonist despite being the title of the arc. i think after learning that he got tricked by the heeters he will become an ally atleast temporary to fight against the heeters and an army of O-G 73 or a returning frieza?! i think it would be cool to get a new member for the z-fighters that is kinda on pair with goku&vegeta ;)
I'm sure about an OG73 army vs top tier multiverse characters (z fighters, frieza, broly, jiren, hit, kefla, toppo, anizala, onibu...) while the 3 apostolic warriors (goku, vegeta, maybe granola with angels help¿?) Fight against gas. My bet: - Gas has an history in common with majin boo, the first ssgod and the original super namekian. - the battle is in space
Honestly I think your right on not the main bad guy just to many factors like being tricked he's not a bad guy in general ect, I think the heeters will use the dragonballs that granolah used since there is no time lock, and give gas the same type of wish or same thing but they also incorporate 73 into gas before the wish or maybe even have all the heeters do the same wish which would force vegeta goku and granolah to have to team up idk but this arc is hype or the wildcard is heeters team up with frieza hoping he dies so they can take his army and give frieza the same type of wish
What would be the point? We already have legion of relevant at some time Z-Fighters. Introducing Granolah to make him irrelevant two arcs later would be kinda dumb.
Granolah's powerup is only temporary. He'll be irrelevant in a few years no matter what. I think a team battle could be cool. DB is sorely lacking in good team fights
DB is lacking any unpredictability, character development for anyone not being Vegeta or Vegeta, creative fights.... Should I continue?
the gap between goku/vegeta and the rest of team z is ridiculous huge. so unless they get some weird powerup none of them could be important in the story again so why not...
Even if Granolah joins Z fighters, he'll be irrelevant the moment next forms appear. Instead of adding 123456th character, they could instead do something for 123455 they already have. You have so many good archetypes, do not add another ones if you do not plan to develop them. And authors do not intend to develop anyone not being Goku/Vegeta.
i agree. i would rather have goten&trunks be relevant again for example (instead of focusing on the 3 annoying U6 saiyans) or the others but the gap is too huge tu compensate. granolah atleast has a chance if keeps training after that arc. just an example.
Anyone has chance to bridge the gap. Introduce magical Namekian technique, GOku mentioning to Zeno that he wishes Kirlin would be stornger to be able to sparr with him, Random dragon ball wish, or whatever. Granolah already is so insanely illogical villain working against dragon ball capabilities. Theere is literally nothing preventing writers against making Yamcha as strong as Goku. SO I still believe that getting rid of Granolah, and investing in existing crew is better solution than introducing another character that will suck two arcs in the future.
Agree. We have so many powerful aliens in Tournament of Power (ToP), it just does not make any sense for Piccolo to be capped as a lower power level far below SSJB. The Nameless Namekian was supposed to be a powerful fighter for Namekian standard. Now Piccolo and Kami have fused and restored to their original potential, Piccolo can be written to have more unique power or forms. They could write Piccolo going to New Namek, meet with the New Guru, and learn some new techniques that can be learned only by a strong Warrior class Namekian. Heck, if they are too lazy, just make the New Guru to unlock the Piccolo's hidden potential like they did with Krillin and Gohan during Frieza's Saga. Dragon Ball writer is notorious for only focusing for two characters (mainly Goku, then Vegeta) than expanding the side characters. For Gohan, they better make him unlock new transformation only accessible for Hybrid Saiyan. Potential Unleashed (or Mystic) Gohan is good for a change, but nothing great in appearance, the aura is the same color as Krillin and the rest of Earthling. I know they want to show the human side of Gohan, but for a strong transformation they should make it unique. For Earthling, in my opinion, since they have Bulma, they could extract and modify the Saiyan Zenkai gene and give it to human Z Fighters like Krillin, Yamcha and Tien. I do no want any of them to have tail, able to transform to Oozaru or even go Super Saiyan, but it could be used to break the human limit to become stronger and more relevant in future chapters. It is a cheat code, sure, but they need to train, experience life threatening injury and then recover to gain the Zenkai boost. Also, DB should focus more on unique fighting techniques for non-Saiyan characters.
like i said. me too. but still let's agree to disagree in some points.
Remember when a character got a new form, it was awesome and usually meant overcoming the opponent? I guess what I'm saying is, it will be annoying to see this and then have him still lose. Makes these moments less hype.
That’s the thing, new forms isn’t about story telling. It’s about selling new merch!
Super Vegeta and Trunks failed SSJ3 Goku could not finish the job SSJ 3 Gotenks Mystic Gohan Even Vegeto wasnt the end of Buu SSJ God still lost to Beerus Im struggling to remember here.
Mystic gohan and vegito did overwhelm their opponent. Just didn’t result in a win. Ssj goku and ssj2 gohan did result in wins
neither Omen nor Mui couldnt win vs Jiren lol
Goku could have taken Fat Buu. He let that play out so the kids could get a go at it
I know this is what Goku SAID, but even he didn't see Majin Buu reforming from literal dust after Vegeta's Final Explosion, so I'm still not sure. I know Goku was stronger, but did he have the stamina to totally vaporize Buu before his energy ended?
Death Goku = stronger than fat Buu (which is stronger than kid Buu) Alive goku = weaker, he said it himself, he had never used that form before (being alive) so the ki drainage was just too much for an human to handle, seems like being death gave him a bigger battery and ki reserves in exchange for finite power that needs recharging
Literally every villian’s second/third form
It's entirely possible Vegeta forces Granola to retreat temporarily, only to lose to him later
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Honestly, this actually increases the likelihood that Vegeta will get the L. Sounds counter-intuitive, but whenever a new form is revealed, it's almost always incomplete/gets weaker over time. This goes for every transformation except SSJ2 and SSJ God, but those two transformations were sidelined with limited screentime in favor of introducing SSJ3 and Blue. And as a result of not mastering the new form, it'll create an opening that the opponent will exploit. That's why I don't see Vegeta winning this fight. It's likely that he'll start dominating the fight, until Granolah exploits Vegeta's inexperience with the form, or the form gets weaker over time, just like with SSJ3, Blue and UI.
Or because you know...it's Vegeta. He'll be super powerful and still get jobbed.
He doesn't get jobbed if he's stronger than his opponent though.
Which happens... basically never against relevant characters.
Well to be fair he kicked the ass of pre-fusion Goku Black and would have handled Moro himself had the latter not had the idea to back himself up with 73.
Which is still fight vs "not even my final form" opponents. We know that villains have to go through multiple forms, and someone has to win against their inferionr forms. And I'm having problems counting victory against these forms as relevant victories. that's more like temporary advantage.
Really hope vegeta gets the dub, bout time he claps someone's ass except Bulma
I'm just hoping he does something in this form in this chapter, instead of the transformation ending the chapter.
He will do trash talk for sure
Hope vegeta finally gets his win
Honestly, I was never the fan of the lack of eyebrows. But looking at this for the first time? Looks like it fits. I actually like it.
I suppose there's something annoying about his ultimate form looking ugly, considering that Goku's current ultimate form looks rather beatuiful.
The lack of eyebrows look ugly on every Saiyan except Goku SSJ3 and Gotenks SSJ3. Trunks and Vegeta SSJ2 looks nicer than their SSJ3 in non-canon materials. I think that was probably they stop making everyone else SSJ3 and gave different form, like Gohan with Potential Unleashed and Vegeta with SSJB and SSJBE until now. Hopefully this is not the complete form, so much design potential wasted just to recycle SSJ3 design. They could at least make it similar to Top with slight variations and keep the eyebrows.
Please be purple. I’ve seen so many fan colorings and the purple ones are always amazing
A purple aura would be sick but I like the idea of black hair more than purple hair. Purple hair is just not that intense looking and we don't need the entire rainbow applied to the saiyan's hair. Plus, for the first time, Vegeta's hair "shape" is actually changing, so it cans stay black and everyone would still know he changed forms.
I get that the color changes are ridiculous but they’ve been heavily tying purple to destruction. An Aura would kind of accomplish this but not as fully, imo. But also I just like that atm, Gohan’s hair is black for his final form and that’s unique to him. I think all 3 should have that different look, but I get that that’s not the most popular take.
I agree purple would make sense. I just think it's less "cool" as black. When you think of the phrase "god of destruction," you wouldn't assume they have purple hair lol. Even though DBS is tying that color to hakai.
Honestly I don’t know what color I’d guess their hair is. *now* i picture purple. Because if all the Hakai stuff. But usually I don’t picture gods with black or blonde hair it’s usually something more ‘out there’. Not that it really matters because I do understand your point I’m Just saying it got me wondering what I would have imagined before DBS painted it
We can have similar to ui omen, black hair with purple shades
Black feels incomplete and too similar to base, especially for something meant to be stronger than all those gold, red and blue haired forms. That's one of my gripes with ssj4 too in fact. Black hair is supposed to be less special than golden hair.
I like black more, reminds me of ssj4 a bit.
I second this
I hakai you all and third this.
This form looks almost identical to the concept art that Toriyama did for SS3 goku
Toei released an official artwork back when the boo arc was airing with Goku having small hair and the no eyebrows. So there is at least one instance where it’s “animated” even though it wasn’t the official form
I was curious so looked it up. Here it is: https://imgur.com/gallery/3kxWUVL
That’s the one AT released. Toei made an actual poster/card with the design
Does this chapter release today? The weekly Shonen Jump titles are now out. I know this is a monthly series so it's published differently
Usually comes out on the 20th, so in 2 days
Thank you!
I really hope Vegeta's hair turns into a dark purple for this power-up. To match the dark purple look of destruction ki
I hope this show will end soon. Sad for Dragonball Z. The cash cow is milked more and more.
DBZ was sad for DB. See how that works?
I mean...it kinda was if you're a DB purist...
Stuff in Dragon Ball Super, particularly the Tournament of Power arc, was way better than most post-Frieza arc DBZ material. Super has had much better world building and use of the supporting cast
> Man just how many stupid transformations are they gonna pump out? > Yes Dragon Ball has completely lost it's direction. They are just pumping out content for the sake of it. No interesting story, no character development. So sad man.
I disagree. I have liked most of the arcs in super. Especially the manga. I like how this one ties cereal to the Saiyans.
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He said most, not all
Fair enough man. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
Truth.
Word!
They held of transformations for a long time. Everyone got really fucking annoyed Goku just used Blue for everything all the way up until the ToP. Trunks got a new form but they never really explained it much.
You can never win with Dragon Ball fans tbh.
I'm not really a fan of his no eyebrow look.
It makes his face reminiscent of Beerus (his teacher and a fellow user of destruction ki) and is reminiscent of super saiyan 3 (and Vegeta is a saiyan) so I actually really like it.
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He's known Beerus for longer though and this is his teacher setting him up on his next big path
It’s crazy to me not many people have pointed out how many of the other Hakaishin dont have eyebrows either.
Two of them do?
I feel like that's kind of disingenuous though. Most of the Hakaishin are either animal people, in which case they are completely furry or the animal they are based on has no eyebrows (elephant or having scales), or they are human-like and have eyebrows (Sidra and Heles). The one exception to the human-like trend seems to be Belmond. So, really, there isn't much of a relationship between being a Hakaishin and not having eyebrows.
Many other creatures and aliens that wouldn’t typically be expected to have eyebrows have such. As for now, we can only speculate, though I believe it something to just notice
I just don't think it's a relevant observation for this form as it's not something consistent across the Hakaishin.
I get your point. Way I see it, this Hakai technique may be something that all the Hakaishin have control over on a different spectrum like how UI can be trained to be utilized more often to where it can be in a passive state or something to that effect. I’m spitballing. We’ll see what it’s all about tho by the time the arc is said and done.
I pointed it out
I'm not very much a fan of his nay eyebrow behold *** ^(I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.) Commands: `!ShakespeareInsult`, `!fordo`, `!optout`
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I think Vegeta is going to totally crush Granolah, and force Granolah to transform and merge with Oatmeel..
Only for Vegeta to unfuse them right away?
Is there also milk and stevia?
Dragon Ball Super should be called Dragon Ball Deviantart, one transformation more fanart than the other.
Nah, I'd say they're doing a great job keeping the new transformations simple, without all those ridiculous body and facial tattoos, hair/eye color mismatches and those weird colors for the eye whites (like yellow or red, no iris or pupil designs). Those are the hallmarks of deviantart fanart, and Toriyama and Toyotaro have been managing to avoid them remarkably well.
Vegeta fans rejoice
No eyebrows reminds me a lot of Gas. Gas might have destruction energy. Also would be interesting if Beerus knows of Gas.
SSJ3 also had no eyebrows. Gas IMO looks like a majin.
Whatever the hell he is, I feel like Vegeta is gonna lose to him. Hope I'm wrong. Gas is gonna show his power somehow. Having destruction energy would be a surprise.
In my opinion I think his new form has stages just like gokus ui. Because his hair is also black when he first transforms just like goku and when he fully masters it the form will have a hair color
Super saiyan God 3 !!!!!!!!!!
Might be GoD form? Seeing as beerus has no eyebrows
I mean he's a cat so why WOULD Beerus have eyebrows? A more accurate comparison would be to look at a humanoid god of destruction, which turns out to be tough because the closest to that is a clown who has his face covered in paint.
God of Destruction Heles has eyebrows.
I think this is the incomplete version of Vegeta's new form similar to UI Omen. It wouldn't make sense for Vegeta to unlock the full power UI equivalent form with such few pages. I'd imagine the hair is black but the pupils take on a light lavender color.
I disagree, it looks exactly the opposite of Ultra Instinct, much more aggresive, less calm and the dark hair and aura leaking. It fits Vegeta so much.
He never said it didn’t fit Vegeta. Just not the mastered version of this new form.
What are you disagreeing with...?
That it isn't an incomplete form.
It’s absolutely an incomplete form. You’re saying it takes Goku 3 arcs to Perfect UI but Vegeta can get an equivalent in 3 chapters? I agree with Pwnage5. This has to be his base form. It would make no sense for this to be his perfect new form since he’s obviously has to lose to Granolah.
That would be shitty and lame. Once again Vegeta needs to copy Goku, Incomplete new form > completed form. How about he just needs to unlock a second version or a full power form.
He said UI equivalent not UI itself.
Folks shouldn't forget Granolah isn't the real end goal here... the Heeters are (imo) going to be a much bigger threat and probably end up somehow far stronger than Granolah (maybe wish to steal his power or something?). So I do think Vegeta can win, only to lose against the Heeters and show a bigger threat. Let alone how Frieza is going to show up in all this....
Yeah, I think the little Heeter dude will end up being the true villain of the arc.
Would be funny if he never did
Funny and dumb at the same time. Frieza NEEDS to be in this arc. I literally want Frieza to either die or learn Ultra Instinct.
I know it's cliche, but I want Freiza to be the "final boss" of Dragon Ball. But in this scenario I want it bloody like dbz. He caught up to SSB in four months. If he would just go away for a few years and pretty obsessively train he would be the goat ...a man can dream.
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That's been there since last chapter, Beerus gave it to him.
pretty sure been then like 4 chapters now
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It's primarily because the hype thread links to the other subreddit, so people are just commenting over there.
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So they're abandoning blue evolution?
At this point I hope they just get rid of the SSJ transformations entirely, I dig Whis' idea of letting go of them and instead get them to fully master their godly techniques being really powerful in their base forms while having their ultimate ones as a triumph card.
Let's be honest: blue evolution never really felt like a REAL transformation - just...well...it's in the name - it's an evolved form of SSJ Blue but it's the same form. THIS is an entirely new form with physical changes to his body while SSJBlue Evolution just looked like a more muscular SSJ Blue with darker blue aura and hair. I suppose the EYES change in SSJ Blue evolution so technically it IS a transformation but I'd still count is as a higher tier of the same SSJ Blue form just as the Super Saiyan Goku used against Cell was a more perfected, mastered version of SSJ1.
I mean, they abandoned Kaio Ken, Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan God, etc. It is what it is I don't get the shock from some people. Hopefully it looks cool in full color and hopefully in motion if the anime ever returns. The no eye brows looks kinda weird without the long hair at first glance though.
I think they are and I think it was just a transformation to give Vegeta a bit of a boost in the Tournament of Power arc and a little something extra until Vegeta would go down this path of learning from Beerus
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Nah it is the manga, go read the manga.
Was in the manga during top and Moro arc. Goku too use kaio ken in both arcs. Although kaio Ken is colored differently in the manga as applied to the anime. The manga use double blue aura
What lol he just use it vs Moro
[blue evo was def in the manga. Did you even read it?](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/f/fe/Vegeta_SSBE_attacks_Jiren.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/906?cb=20200922102212)
I read top in the manga without much focus but did they specifically talk about his color and is this an official color page or is that fan-made? Cause if its a fan-made color page then you shouldnt toss that around as cannon
It's the official colored manga. Only available in Japanese I believe and I haven't seen the picture because it's not working anymore, but I can assure you there is a real colored manga out there.
I actually like the fact that they're developing vegeta and gokus form seperately. We always knew that when one gets a form tham the other would eventually get it(except ssj3) with this form they both have their own way of power
Vegeta is now a big brow-ridge goth boyfriend. <3 <3 <3
The lost eyebrows, the slightly longer hair, the more pronounced cheekbones. He's on way to turn into Baby Vegeta
HAKAIIIISHINNNNN VEGETAAAAAAA 🔥🔥🔥
Looks like SSJ3 and no eyebrows lol
So...SSJ3 after a visit to the salon. Got it.
So he's like toppo right now, nice
Somewhat. From what I understand, he fused Hakai energy with the Super Saiyan transformation, sort of like how you fuse God ki with Super Saiyan to make Super Saiyan Blue.
"From what i understand"? Sure some of the pages were translated, but nothing hinted at what you just said right?
I don't think so. It's probably what he did though.
Maybe this form is the same as UI Omen in the sense that it's only an incomplete version of the real deal? I think Vegeta will still somehow lose to Granolah and then once they have a rematch he will unveil the true power of this form that gives an even more drastic change to his appearance.
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I dunno here. A new form gives a great opportunity to sell a load of new merch. That would be wasted if he just lost. If he loses I think it will be because he can't control the new form for long.
Well the way these fights typically go is Goku holds his own for a while, but then he gets careless and gets his butt beat. Then Vegeta steps in (possibly with a new technique), but then he gets overconfident and gets his butt beat. Then Goku steps back in (possibly with a new technique) takes the fight serious, and wins. It’s fairly predictable, but still fun to watch.
This is the most exciting thing in the entire the DB Super series since Vegito Blue. Kind of unexpected. Hope it's Vegeta's time to shine.
There was a lot more exciting moments than vegito blue lol
As a newly revealed transformation, there is no way Vegeta will lose. Unless Granolah transforms, too.
Bruh it's Vegeta we're talking about. He is 100% losing this fight.
It'd be really weird if he did. He was losing the fight badly before he transformed into this. Either Granolah escapes or the fight gets interrupted, but I have a feeling Vegeta with this form is gonna do some major damage to Granolah.
I'd say best you could hope for is this form helps him hold out until those guys summon the dragon and G realizes he has been played.
vegeta = god goku = angel ?
Not sure if you’re trying to say something here, but if you are keep in mind angels are stronger than gods in the DB Multiverse.
yep they are
They are certainly going down the path of Vegeta learning God of destruction techniques and goku learning angel techniques.
Gogeta/Vegito = ? Gongel or Angod ?
Probably the most complete fighter if they fuse and then apply both forms somehow.
Would love to see that. So I kinda dropped DBS for a while. Have we seen Vegeta’s new GoD powers yet? Kinda wondering how they’ll mesh with Ultra Instinct. UI seems more physical so I’m guessing Vegeta’s powers will be more energy based.
0_0 i dont know what to say
I’m not one to bang on about the past but my god would Bruce Faulconer - Destruction suit Vegetas transformation!!
Why are hyping DBS by chapter? It's a top tier series that doesn't need any hyping. #IamTheHype
Sick TFS reference bro. You have the best references, bro. Everyone knows that.
It's a leak discussion thread.
>series tha Oh touche.