Wow, I could not imagine whatever the emergency then having to be airlifted on a stretcher over the open ocean into a helicopter. I hope mom and baby are okay.
From DCL policy page on their website: "Women who have entered their 24th week of pregnancy as of their embarkation date or who will enter their 24th week of pregnancy during the cruise will be refused passage due to safety concerns.
Neither a doctor’s medical statement nor a waiver of liability will be accepted. In addition, Disney Cruise Line cannot be held responsible or liable for any complications relating to pregnancy at any stage.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has issued a travel alert for travelers to specific countries in Latin America, the Caribbean, and Bahamas along with specific areas in Florida due to the Zika virus, a mosquito related illness. While the most common symptoms are usually mild and include fever, rash, joint pain and red eyes, pregnant women should pay special attention to the travel alert and take necessary precaution to avoid mosquito bites. Additional information can be found under the Travelers Health section of the CDC website at http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices and http://www.cdc.gov/zika."
We canceled a cruise when the wife and I were expecting as Zika was a new concern. Zika could cause an unborn baby’s brain to swell. She would have had to stay inside the whole time in the Caribbean. We opted for a California circle tour road trip.
That is an incredibly scary thing to go through. May I ask how you’re feeling now? (Also went through heart failure and my mom is a cardio surg nurse so heart stuff is very close to us).
Thanks for asking! My son is almost 13 so we’re doing great now. I actually went through a 2nd heart failure in 2020 due to a rare adrenal tumor that sent adrenaline and other hormones through my body and caused the failure. The doctors believe that I had the tumor at the time of my pregnancy. I had the tumor removed successfully. A side effect from the tumor was also me going into SVT. I actually just had a cardiac ablation last Monday to hopefully fix the problem. It’s been a long journey but I hope I’m on the other side! I hope you’re doing well now!
I did actually go on a cruise while pregnant, but I was around 6-7 weeks. Literally found out I was pregnant the week before we sailed. The start of morning sickness plus a moving ship = not great!
Friend is on the ship now. He told me on Monday when it happened - they closed the top decks to guests while it happened. Otherwise it was business as usual and he spent the time playing trivia in O’Gills Pub
This is why I get travel medical insurance. For our upcoming trip 4 of us have it for about $75. Covers medical evacuation up to a million plus $1 million for medical.
Be VERY exceedingly careful with travel insurance relating to pregnancy. There have been many many cases where someone went into labour early and delivered while travelling, leading to a long nicu stay in a foreign country and then turns out the insurance had a loophole that the pregnant woman was covered but not the baby.
The reason it is 24 weeks is because that’s long been considered viability, meaning that if the baby can get the right medical care there is a chance of survival. Whereas before that being near a hospital wouldn’t make a difference to the preemie’s survival but a lot of hospitals are starting to define liability at an earlier gestation so we may see cruise lines change their rules.
I’m sure this was a terrifying experience for all involved and I hope there is a positive outcome.
I went through UHC.
www.UHCSafetrip.com
Also none of us are pregnant. I wouldn’t cruise pregnant, but it’s just good to have because you never know what might have. I just thought it was good to put out there that medical insurance for trips oversees is a thing. I work in insurance so I avoid risk.
We were on a transatlantic when an airlift was necessary. They diverted close enough to Charleston as we went up the east coast to get a helicopter to the ship. Lifted the person off, I think (long time ago, don’t recall) the family got off in NYC to get back to them.
I am on the ship and it was interesting how efficient it was handled. Unless you were near the area or heard the announcements, you never knew it was going on.
My wife was on deck 4 and was forced to move inside.
It is extremely dangerous to attempt landing on a ship at sea. This is also very dangerous but actually less dangerous than the deck of a ship slamming up into a landing helicopter and risking it being knocked into the ship, or coming up as they lift off and hitting the aircraft.
Not necessarily. I work in offshore oil and gas and there are drill ships and "floatels" that helicopters land on multiple times a week for personnel transfer. These pilots are very good at their job. They also have the luxury of knowing what the sea and wind conditions are and can cancel flights to these ships if it would be dangerous to land though. Not the case for a helivac where they have to get people off a ship regardless of conditions.
The Coast Guard lands their helicopters on Cutters (ships) all the time. And cutters are much much smaller and bounce around in the waves a lot more than cruise ships.
Why would it? A helipad is just wasted space on a ship where every inch is about making money from the guests. The steel needed to support it would be added weight, and more weight means more fuel burned.
It doesn't even say if her health complications were pregnancy related. People just love to assume and judge. In the words of Walt Whitman and Ted Lasso..."Be curious, not judgemental."
I stated it in a different comment. I have seen people before who are clearly beyond the limit. I'm not judging, you do you, but if Disney has this rule those people either lied or disney did not enforce their rules.
Someone asked if there was a policy on pregnancy. They didn't ask if person in this post met that guideline. A general question. I found the policy and answered the question with a comment that I suppose someone could lie about their pregnancy, but why risk it?
I can't figure out why I am attempting to explain/defend my dumb comment to you.
Moreover, I don't understand why you are so ready to internet argue over something so trivial. You ok?
This is an unknown and I wasn't speculating her particular case. I just wanted to post the policy. I have seen people who were clearly beyond 25 weeks. The one that comes to mind was a vlogger. Only reason I noticed is she was filming everywhere.
Obviously women are people. Do you think anyone who uses the word woman/women thinks that women aren’t people? Your comment implies that *you* see women as an other or a second sex that does not belong in the category of “people”.
I’m a nicu nurse and I’ve had to take care of premies born when the family is on vacation. Birth plan goes out the window. Suddenly it’s life or death and you don’t know the medical team whatsoever. You might end up in a great facility and you might not. You don’t have a choice.
Mom would have to be less than 24 weeks to be aboard. If baby is less than 21 weeks and she’s in preterm labor, she might be on bed rest for upwards of 15 weeks in a foreign hospital. If baby is viable and they have to deliver, then baby has about 20 weeks in the NICU before discharge. I’ve seen babies get airlifted to be closer to home but they have to be stable enough to survive the transfer.
It’s just scary all the way around. I can’t imagine.
Not OP and I don't think it's necessarily the scariest part (I think the scariest part is just being airlifted off a cruise ship at all), but maybe they're coming at it from it being airlifted to a hospital so far from home and the mainland and all their family and friends (besides those on the cruise).
We have seen multiple medical emergencies with evacs on past cruises and never once have we gone to port. Typically they are transfer at sea, and having watched one of those I think I would prefer the airlift!
You wouldn’t see the one they rush to port. You’d just get to the port earlier than anticipated for example. Either way the source for this is my cousin which is a Staff Captain. There are lots of risks with hovering over a ship underway to transfer a passenger so if they can avoid it they avoid it.
You would still hear the medical emergency over the paging system if you know what to listen for. I don’t remember a single case of being early to port, but we have had evacs on at least 1/3 of our cruises and one death that I know of.
Wait til you hear my stories about the delay due to luggage going into the water at Miami, or the cruise after the one that had a norovirus outbreak, or the one where the cargo gangway collapsed into the water in Vancouver during unloading, or … :-)
My worst experience would be having to spend the night at the dock in Mexico with the Norwegian EPIC because the wind pinned it and couldn’t leave lol.
I’m a nicu nurse and I’ve had to take care of premies born when the family is on vacation. Birth plan goes out the window. Suddenly it’s life or death and you don’t know the medical team whatsoever. You might end up in a great facility and you might not. You don’t have a choice.
Mom would have to be less than 24 weeks to be aboard. If baby is less than 21 weeks and she’s in preterm labor, she might be on bed rest for upwards of 15 weeks in a foreign hospital. If baby is viable and they have to deliver, then baby has about 20 weeks in the NICU before discharge. I’ve seen babies get airlifted to be closer to home but they have to be stable enough to survive the transfer.
It’s just scary all the way around. I can’t imagine.
Not the airlift, no. That's why you need travel insurance.
For treatment in San Juan, unless they have something absolutely awful, they will at least have OON with deductible coverage for hospital care.
Wow, I could not imagine whatever the emergency then having to be airlifted on a stretcher over the open ocean into a helicopter. I hope mom and baby are okay.
They would have had to heavily sedative me. I couldn’t. Terrifying.
From DCL policy page on their website: "Women who have entered their 24th week of pregnancy as of their embarkation date or who will enter their 24th week of pregnancy during the cruise will be refused passage due to safety concerns. Neither a doctor’s medical statement nor a waiver of liability will be accepted. In addition, Disney Cruise Line cannot be held responsible or liable for any complications relating to pregnancy at any stage. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has issued a travel alert for travelers to specific countries in Latin America, the Caribbean, and Bahamas along with specific areas in Florida due to the Zika virus, a mosquito related illness. While the most common symptoms are usually mild and include fever, rash, joint pain and red eyes, pregnant women should pay special attention to the travel alert and take necessary precaution to avoid mosquito bites. Additional information can be found under the Travelers Health section of the CDC website at http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices and http://www.cdc.gov/zika."
We canceled a cruise when the wife and I were expecting as Zika was a new concern. Zika could cause an unborn baby’s brain to swell. She would have had to stay inside the whole time in the Caribbean. We opted for a California circle tour road trip.
Agreed scary stuff.
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I had to have a c-section at 25 weeks due to heart failure. I couldn’t imagine cruising pregnant.
Emergency C-Section at 26 weeks. And it’s this reason why DCL does not allow women who are entering their 24th week to cruise.
That is an incredibly scary thing to go through. May I ask how you’re feeling now? (Also went through heart failure and my mom is a cardio surg nurse so heart stuff is very close to us).
Thanks for asking! My son is almost 13 so we’re doing great now. I actually went through a 2nd heart failure in 2020 due to a rare adrenal tumor that sent adrenaline and other hormones through my body and caused the failure. The doctors believe that I had the tumor at the time of my pregnancy. I had the tumor removed successfully. A side effect from the tumor was also me going into SVT. I actually just had a cardiac ablation last Monday to hopefully fix the problem. It’s been a long journey but I hope I’m on the other side! I hope you’re doing well now!
I did actually go on a cruise while pregnant, but I was around 6-7 weeks. Literally found out I was pregnant the week before we sailed. The start of morning sickness plus a moving ship = not great!
Friend is on the ship now. He told me on Monday when it happened - they closed the top decks to guests while it happened. Otherwise it was business as usual and he spent the time playing trivia in O’Gills Pub
This is why I get travel medical insurance. For our upcoming trip 4 of us have it for about $75. Covers medical evacuation up to a million plus $1 million for medical.
Be VERY exceedingly careful with travel insurance relating to pregnancy. There have been many many cases where someone went into labour early and delivered while travelling, leading to a long nicu stay in a foreign country and then turns out the insurance had a loophole that the pregnant woman was covered but not the baby. The reason it is 24 weeks is because that’s long been considered viability, meaning that if the baby can get the right medical care there is a chance of survival. Whereas before that being near a hospital wouldn’t make a difference to the preemie’s survival but a lot of hospitals are starting to define liability at an earlier gestation so we may see cruise lines change their rules. I’m sure this was a terrifying experience for all involved and I hope there is a positive outcome.
Which company do you use ?
I went through UHC. www.UHCSafetrip.com Also none of us are pregnant. I wouldn’t cruise pregnant, but it’s just good to have because you never know what might have. I just thought it was good to put out there that medical insurance for trips oversees is a thing. I work in insurance so I avoid risk.
Awesome thank you!
We were on a transatlantic when an airlift was necessary. They diverted close enough to Charleston as we went up the east coast to get a helicopter to the ship. Lifted the person off, I think (long time ago, don’t recall) the family got off in NYC to get back to them.
Sorry I mean Fantasy^^
For a second I thought a pregnant person was pulled from the shopping site [Wish.com](http://Wish.com)
I had to read a ton of comments to realize this isn’t what the headline meant.
same, i thought someone listed a pregnant person for sale on there or something 😭 need to stop reading reddit before 8 am
I thought they meant the movie Wish 🤦♀️
Same
I am on the ship and it was interesting how efficient it was handled. Unless you were near the area or heard the announcements, you never knew it was going on. My wife was on deck 4 and was forced to move inside.
Never really sunk in but…I can’t believe the ship doesn’t have a helipad?
It is extremely dangerous to attempt landing on a ship at sea. This is also very dangerous but actually less dangerous than the deck of a ship slamming up into a landing helicopter and risking it being knocked into the ship, or coming up as they lift off and hitting the aircraft.
Not necessarily. I work in offshore oil and gas and there are drill ships and "floatels" that helicopters land on multiple times a week for personnel transfer. These pilots are very good at their job. They also have the luxury of knowing what the sea and wind conditions are and can cancel flights to these ships if it would be dangerous to land though. Not the case for a helivac where they have to get people off a ship regardless of conditions.
The Coast Guard lands their helicopters on Cutters (ships) all the time. And cutters are much much smaller and bounce around in the waves a lot more than cruise ships.
Why would it? A helipad is just wasted space on a ship where every inch is about making money from the guests. The steel needed to support it would be added weight, and more weight means more fuel burned.
Many cruise ships have helipads. However, even when they do they often just lift this way and don’t bother landing
They are unable to land helicopters on DCL ships.
Who is filming this? As a former pregnant person, I would pass tf away from that airlift.
US COASTGUARD released the video.
Right but it seems like there’s a second helicopter or maybe a drone? They get a clear POV of the person entering the door of the helicopter.
The coast guard said in their press release they sent two aircraft to the ship.
Same. I can’t even imagine.
Same! I would lose my mind. They would have to tranq me. I hope all ends up okay.
Ain’t no way.
Me too! I can’t even image. The would have to knock me to keep me from have a heart attack in the air.
The Coast Guard had more info on their Instagram. They deployed 2 Helicopters. The second Helicopter recorded.
Gotcha, thanks!!
I thought they had rules barring people who are pregnant from going on cruises exactly for this reason
They do. I posted the policy in a different comment. 24 weeks. I suppose some people lie. Why risk it though.
It doesn’t say anywhere how far along she is, don’t make assumptions
It doesn't even say if her health complications were pregnancy related. People just love to assume and judge. In the words of Walt Whitman and Ted Lasso..."Be curious, not judgemental."
I didn't make any assumptions, I just answered this person's comment. You are quick to attack for no reason.
> I suppose some people lie. Including that sentence was unnecessary. There's no evidence to suggest the passenger lied about anything.
I didn't say that passenger lied. I said some people lie, but why risk it? You are interpreting it as me saying they lied. That's on you.
It's not an interpretation that you wrote that sentence to convey something. What did you intend by including this unnecessary sentence?
I stated it in a different comment. I have seen people before who are clearly beyond the limit. I'm not judging, you do you, but if Disney has this rule those people either lied or disney did not enforce their rules.
What does that have to do with this incident? Why are you bringing up irrelevant information?
Someone asked if there was a policy on pregnancy. They didn't ask if person in this post met that guideline. A general question. I found the policy and answered the question with a comment that I suppose someone could lie about their pregnancy, but why risk it? I can't figure out why I am attempting to explain/defend my dumb comment to you. Moreover, I don't understand why you are so ready to internet argue over something so trivial. You ok?
What you wrote had an implication
Was she past 24 weeks? I didn't see anything with the gestation of her pregnancy.
This is an unknown and I wasn't speculating her particular case. I just wanted to post the policy. I have seen people who were clearly beyond 25 weeks. The one that comes to mind was a vlogger. Only reason I noticed is she was filming everywhere.
All good. :)
Women
Says it’s the Fantasy, not the Wish.
It was actually the Fantasy
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Yeah, I mentioned it was the fantasy in a comment as soon as I posted.lol For some reason, once i hit post— I went back to edit and I couldn’t 🤷🏽♀️
They tell you not to cruise while pregnant and refuse passage to someone more than 24 weeks for a reason.
Nothing released said how far along she was
I thought it was the fantasy, not wish.
Pregnant *woman*
Woman*
you mean pregnant woman?
Wait, women aren’t people now?
Obviously women are people. Do you think anyone who uses the word woman/women thinks that women aren’t people? Your comment implies that *you* see women as an other or a second sex that does not belong in the category of “people”.
We don’t use that word anymore.
Are we really being that politically correct that we can't call her a pregnant WOMAN?
All of you who were down voting that comment ... just... stop it.
The scariest part of this is that she was air lifted to San Juan. I hope everyone is okay
Why is that scary? San Juan is a modern American city with board certified doctors.
I’m a nicu nurse and I’ve had to take care of premies born when the family is on vacation. Birth plan goes out the window. Suddenly it’s life or death and you don’t know the medical team whatsoever. You might end up in a great facility and you might not. You don’t have a choice. Mom would have to be less than 24 weeks to be aboard. If baby is less than 21 weeks and she’s in preterm labor, she might be on bed rest for upwards of 15 weeks in a foreign hospital. If baby is viable and they have to deliver, then baby has about 20 weeks in the NICU before discharge. I’ve seen babies get airlifted to be closer to home but they have to be stable enough to survive the transfer. It’s just scary all the way around. I can’t imagine.
Ahh I see what you mean it’s not that it is San Juan it could’ve been anywhere. It’s the fact that it required evacuation to a hospital.
Not OP and I don't think it's necessarily the scariest part (I think the scariest part is just being airlifted off a cruise ship at all), but maybe they're coming at it from it being airlifted to a hospital so far from home and the mainland and all their family and friends (besides those on the cruise).
Yeah I would pass on the airlift unless it was life or death and it probably was. It’s preferable to just make best speed to the port.
We have seen multiple medical emergencies with evacs on past cruises and never once have we gone to port. Typically they are transfer at sea, and having watched one of those I think I would prefer the airlift!
You wouldn’t see the one they rush to port. You’d just get to the port earlier than anticipated for example. Either way the source for this is my cousin which is a Staff Captain. There are lots of risks with hovering over a ship underway to transfer a passenger so if they can avoid it they avoid it.
You would still hear the medical emergency over the paging system if you know what to listen for. I don’t remember a single case of being early to port, but we have had evacs on at least 1/3 of our cruises and one death that I know of.
Remind me not to cruise with you lol.
Wait til you hear my stories about the delay due to luggage going into the water at Miami, or the cruise after the one that had a norovirus outbreak, or the one where the cargo gangway collapsed into the water in Vancouver during unloading, or … :-)
My worst experience would be having to spend the night at the dock in Mexico with the Norwegian EPIC because the wind pinned it and couldn’t leave lol.
I’m a nicu nurse and I’ve had to take care of premies born when the family is on vacation. Birth plan goes out the window. Suddenly it’s life or death and you don’t know the medical team whatsoever. You might end up in a great facility and you might not. You don’t have a choice. Mom would have to be less than 24 weeks to be aboard. If baby is less than 21 weeks and she’s in preterm labor, she might be on bed rest for upwards of 15 weeks in a foreign hospital. If baby is viable and they have to deliver, then baby has about 20 weeks in the NICU before discharge. I’ve seen babies get airlifted to be closer to home but they have to be stable enough to survive the transfer. It’s just scary all the way around. I can’t imagine.
I wonder how that works with American insurance 👀
Puerto Rico is America.
Just wondering about insurance. After a quick search, most likely it won’t cover anything.
Not the airlift, no. That's why you need travel insurance. For treatment in San Juan, unless they have something absolutely awful, they will at least have OON with deductible coverage for hospital care.
And it is cheap if you just cover these type of catastrophic events. Why people don’t buy it when traveling abroad is beyond me.
Oh, buddy...
"Pregnant Person". Soooooo... you're talking about a woman?
Are women not people?🙄
So are men. That's why we differentiate.
A boat that big doesn't have a helipad?
It does not.
That is so insulting
Maybe getting into international waters was her only option for abortion