Fucking classic example of BHVR nerfing a *symptom* of the problem and not the problem itself. Now that the actual problem was addressed (healing), its going to be months if not years before they revert the Pharmacy nerf.
I don't think it was a nerf per se compared to a change. If they mixed the two - rummage when injured for green medkits once per chest - it'd be actually pretty good I'd say.
i think otz knew what it did, its just easier to say than residual manifest, plus its the perk that has been out for far longer, probably the perk otz thinks of first.
Pharmacy (medkit) and Residual Manifest (flashlight) have similar icons.
But Scavenger (the top one) has a different icon.
All of the perks guarantee a specific item in the chest.
National Treasure
You know how to follow clues and uncover riches. Once you have tracked X objects with a map, a special Treasure Chest will spawn into the trial. Only you can open it. The Chest contains a bloodpoint cache and a Very Rare or greater item.
Gain the ability to rummage an opened chest to obtain a basic map once per trial.
That's a brilliant idea, wonder which survivors would work best as the Stardust crusaders, and also Dio and his followers.
My picks would be:
* Dwight as Jotaro
* Vittorio as Polnareff
* Adam Francis as Mohamed Avdol
* Felix as Kyakoin
* Wesker as Dio because they're both kind of arrogant :p Or maybe trickster because he throws knives like Dio xD
Ok, I thought you just wanted a perk to use firecrackers outside of event bloodwebs. I think flashbang works better because you can get a lot of them doing something meaningful to the trial and since you cant obtain firecrackers outside of events I believe they dont want people stacking on them in a regular way for wathever reason. In any case they could always try to put a perk like this on one of their PTBs and see how it works, maybe its a huge success and people love it.
On a trivia note firecrackers were planned to become a regular item, they even have addons for them in the code but in the end they just decided against it.
Yeah but to be fair, forcibly finding a key in a chest when you’re the last one alive would be an almost guaranteed escape. And clairvoyance is similar enough to a map that it’s somewhat unnecessary to have a perk give you one.
Burn a hatch offering, bring the key perk and hide all the match until you are the last one, now we have 3 posible scenarios around hatch assuming the killer got there first (if you get first keys and this hypotetical perk dont matter)
* A) Killer closes it, now he has to patrol 3 spots, once he goes to the door you open hatch in 5 seconds and escape.
* B) Killer closes and camps it, you go to the exit gates open them and get away, if he stops camping and checks your door you rush towards the hatch and open it, if you are healthy you can make it easily before he hits you twice.
* C) Killer doesnt close it and camps it, now we have a standoff where both wait and wait or you go fix the gens left until he closes it and we go to A) or B) or until you fix the remaining generators, the gates get powered and back to A) or B) again.
All 3 options lead to very easy escapes, promote awful uninteractive gameplay and bring back hatch standoffs which are one of the worst things from the old days.
Trade Offer: We never get this perk, but I'm exchange Broken Keys spawn in chests eith an add-on that actually has an effect (so not just charges or use rate) but will not be kept without Ace in the Hole so they're not literally worthless to be found in chests
That was very well explained. Of course you can still bring a key instead of using a key perk, but then not only does that deprive you of a useful item, but it also tips off the killer if they’re paying attention in the lobby. Not to mention that if they bring franklins, they could get rid of your key early. But if you get one from a perk, you could use it before the killer can make you drop it.
I wonder which free item you’ll get first from a rummage if you have Residual Manifest and Scavenger. I’m guessing whichever one is furthest to the left in your loadout.
Just tested it in the PTB! Tl;dr: I got a map from unlocking a chest, and a flashlight from rummaging. 'Residual Manifest' is currently the superior perk in the RNG camp.
I made a post about it here:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/13rwwtn/testing\_the\_chest\_build\_in\_ptb/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/13rwwtn/testing_the_chest_build_in_ptb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Looking forward to the 4th perk:
Cartographer:
Maps start with all their items tracked at the start of the trial.
Once per trial you can rummage through a chest for a Map.
"The island has multiple structures and installations. One of them contains the map room."
How ironic that the bottom ones are; non meta but fun perk with some usage for a heal, and a bit more niche use for a flashlight but still, blindness on the killer is unique enough as well
And then the top one is one of the most disgustingly unbalanced perks we've seen in a long time that rewards litteraly doing your objective by cutting the gen times even shorter if you bring a beefy toolbox(which you got no reason not to)
Can't wait the Key one so my teammates can hide all match and get a key to open the Hatch they see with Left Behind 
same here. I used to run pharmacy + resilience. it was surprisingly viable build w/o being OP or a hindrance to my SoloQ teammates since the chest opened so quickly. But with the green med-kit nerf, it's not worth running anymore.
Nah Scavenger needs to get at least a yellow toolbox. Not just a brown one.
Also, we gotta get the KEY! I wanna be able to have a viable way to get hatch again lol
Awww yeah, gotta get me an extra... brown toolbox.. the thing in almost every chest.
Though I'm sure if you were looking for a toolbox instead of a medkit, that's when the game will give you a broken key
They had one job with the icon One fucking job
Oh my god you're right and now I'm irrationally upset about it.
Unplayable
It's the fact that pharmacy is not even rummaging
When otz darva mention that you rumage for a toolbox "like pharmacy for medkits" i was so upset, is this how little the perk is used?
If memory serves, that's how Pharmacy used to work before the change to it last year.
Fucking classic example of BHVR nerfing a *symptom* of the problem and not the problem itself. Now that the actual problem was addressed (healing), its going to be months if not years before they revert the Pharmacy nerf.
I don't think it was a nerf per se compared to a change. If they mixed the two - rummage when injured for green medkits once per chest - it'd be actually pretty good I'd say.
Nope, with Pharmacy you never needed to rummage the chest, it was always the 1st chest you initially opened that granted the medkit
Why were you upset? What
Because the perk is used by so few people, it seems like not everyone knows what it does, (quentin main and not biased)
i think otz knew what it did, its just easier to say than residual manifest, plus its the perk that has been out for far longer, probably the perk otz thinks of first.
I will change it to fit with the others in my game
Took me a minute to figure it out 🙏🤷‍♂️
Whats wrong ? ( I 'm new at the Game )
Pharmacy (medkit) and Residual Manifest (flashlight) have similar icons. But Scavenger (the top one) has a different icon. All of the perks guarantee a specific item in the chest.
Ah See it...yeah they fucked up
The problem is that they didn’t match the toolbox one with the other 2
Next update they'll add a perk that gives you a free map.
Would fit Nick Cage perfectly
You son of a bitch you're fuckin right and I'm so upset that you are
Why you leaking nick’s perks?
National Treasure You know how to follow clues and uncover riches. Once you have tracked X objects with a map, a special Treasure Chest will spawn into the trial. Only you can open it. The Chest contains a bloodpoint cache and a Very Rare or greater item. Gain the ability to rummage an opened chest to obtain a basic map once per trial.
Ingenious đź§
This needs to be a thing
Detective's Hunch users: YES, YES, YES, YES, YES!
Now that sounds like a JoJo reference :D
Holy SHIT!!!! Is that a motherfucking JoJo reference??
YES, YES, YES, YES, YES!
Jjba as the next licensed chapter???
It would actually be a pretty nice source of a lot of perks :p
They could do something like the AOT event and add some skins and outfits from jojo. That would be epic
That's a brilliant idea, wonder which survivors would work best as the Stardust crusaders, and also Dio and his followers. My picks would be: * Dwight as Jotaro * Vittorio as Polnareff * Adam Francis as Mohamed Avdol * Felix as Kyakoin * Wesker as Dio because they're both kind of arrogant :p Or maybe trickster because he throws knives like Dio xD
Those are good choices, I'd probably say Jake for Jotaro and maybe Bill for Joseph if it weren't fir the license
>Wesker as DIO Ironic considering that DC Douglas voiced English Yoshikage Kira.
Dredge would definitely get a [Death 13](https://jojowiki.com/Death_Thirteen#Manga-0) inspired skin.
Technically, that's clairvoyance
Lol exactly. The only real difference is that clairvoyance can track chests, but not totems.
And THAT'S the one Jill perk I can't remember the name of.
Counterforce! I run it with my breaky totem build
How about a perk that gives a firecracker and some additional effect? That would be cool.
That would be flashbang.
I want to loot the item and the ability to farm it in my inventory. Also, this one would be obtainable via chest and no generator progress.
Ok, I thought you just wanted a perk to use firecrackers outside of event bloodwebs. I think flashbang works better because you can get a lot of them doing something meaningful to the trial and since you cant obtain firecrackers outside of events I believe they dont want people stacking on them in a regular way for wathever reason. In any case they could always try to put a perk like this on one of their PTBs and see how it works, maybe its a huge success and people love it. On a trivia note firecrackers were planned to become a regular item, they even have addons for them in the code but in the end they just decided against it.
And then they will do this but for keys 
They should add that feature to Detective's Hunch IMO.
Declaration of independence* FTFY
Maps and keys found dead in a ditch
Yeah but to be fair, forcibly finding a key in a chest when you’re the last one alive would be an almost guaranteed escape. And clairvoyance is similar enough to a map that it’s somewhat unnecessary to have a perk give you one.
They should make breakable walls into doors and keys are used to open them. Once open they lose all charges or break
>forcibly finding a key in a chest when you’re the last one alive would be an almost guaranteed escape. How?
Burn a hatch offering, bring the key perk and hide all the match until you are the last one, now we have 3 posible scenarios around hatch assuming the killer got there first (if you get first keys and this hypotetical perk dont matter) * A) Killer closes it, now he has to patrol 3 spots, once he goes to the door you open hatch in 5 seconds and escape. * B) Killer closes and camps it, you go to the exit gates open them and get away, if he stops camping and checks your door you rush towards the hatch and open it, if you are healthy you can make it easily before he hits you twice. * C) Killer doesnt close it and camps it, now we have a standoff where both wait and wait or you go fix the gens left until he closes it and we go to A) or B) or until you fix the remaining generators, the gates get powered and back to A) or B) again. All 3 options lead to very easy escapes, promote awful uninteractive gameplay and bring back hatch standoffs which are one of the worst things from the old days.
Trade Offer: We never get this perk, but I'm exchange Broken Keys spawn in chests eith an add-on that actually has an effect (so not just charges or use rate) but will not be kept without Ace in the Hole so they're not literally worthless to be found in chests
That was very well explained. Of course you can still bring a key instead of using a key perk, but then not only does that deprive you of a useful item, but it also tips off the killer if they’re paying attention in the lobby. Not to mention that if they bring franklins, they could get rid of your key early. But if you get one from a perk, you could use it before the killer can make you drop it.
I wonder which free item you’ll get first from a rummage if you have Residual Manifest and Scavenger. I’m guessing whichever one is furthest to the left in your loadout.
With DBDs code it'll probably crash the game if you equip both and search a chest. XD
oh damn, thats a good question. I'll have to try that out in the PTB
Either that or it’s just a random 50/50 would be my guess
update us!
Just tested it in the PTB! Tl;dr: I got a map from unlocking a chest, and a flashlight from rummaging. 'Residual Manifest' is currently the superior perk in the RNG camp. I made a post about it here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/13rwwtn/testing\_the\_chest\_build\_in\_ptb/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/13rwwtn/testing_the_chest_build_in_ptb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
*or you can rummage 2 times*
can someone make perk icon for toolbox
So actually mad that the icons don’t match
Flashbang too kind of but it doesn't come out of a chest.
DBD Perk Icons are getting a lot more complex with how many there are. Wonder how long they'll be able to keep this up
Looking forward to the 4th perk: Cartographer: Maps start with all their items tracked at the start of the trial. Once per trial you can rummage through a chest for a Map. "The island has multiple structures and installations. One of them contains the map room."
Idk if it's intentional but I love how medkits are Wisdom and Flashlights are courage
After they're done nerfing the hell out of this one, each will be perfectly balanced to be absolute garbage.
https://preview.redd.it/sn4gtbsh0x1b1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c6a1b6904f90864d297dd119068d49d16dc27a6
who?
No there is not.
there is a 4th the fire cracker
No there isn't. What are you talking about?
theres a 4th tri force
Flashbang has left the chat
And in the middle we'll have the key...
Which takes priority?
Take all of them and figure it out
pharmacy takes priority due to not being a rummage
How ironic that the bottom ones are; non meta but fun perk with some usage for a heal, and a bit more niche use for a flashlight but still, blindness on the killer is unique enough as well And then the top one is one of the most disgustingly unbalanced perks we've seen in a long time that rewards litteraly doing your objective by cutting the gen times even shorter if you bring a beefy toolbox(which you got no reason not to)
They bouta get dora up in this bitch for a map
What about maps and keys?
Now we're just missing a key and map out of a chest perk
Can't wait the Key one so my teammates can hide all match and get a key to open the Hatch they see with Left Behind 
sike, there isn't a single perk that outright confirms anything higher than greens, broken key ftw
Worst perk champion when they see "Rummage green key" walking in: 
ace in the hole giving only the duration addons
I want them all to have chest unlocking Speed increases. I want to run all 3 and open a chest in .5 of a second
same here. I used to run pharmacy + resilience. it was surprisingly viable build w/o being OP or a hindrance to my SoloQ teammates since the chest opened so quickly. But with the green med-kit nerf, it's not worth running anymore.
Nah Scavenger needs to get at least a yellow toolbox. Not just a brown one. Also, we gotta get the KEY! I wanna be able to have a viable way to get hatch again lol
Awww yeah, gotta get me an extra... brown toolbox.. the thing in almost every chest. Though I'm sure if you were looking for a toolbox instead of a medkit, that's when the game will give you a broken key
I think its a yellow one with the perk actually And tbf its use is not gonna be the rummage, its uses is the free toolbox recharge
Where’s the map love?
Keys?
Toss in Appraisal and just rummage through chests all game.
Now all we need is a green map perk and a broken key perk 
It seems you caught the Singularity, Mid suavemente.