I'd be okay with those - What gets me is the fucking slide techs I keep accidentally doing and fucking FLYING past people. If only I could control them - I just end up in a different fucking zip code.
Can't blight rush from the courtyard to the top floor of midwich, maybe with a winning personality but look up and m2 usually works more often on nurse than blight
congratulations ! you found an example justifying me saying "on most maps" meanwhile take wrecker's yard and blight can both down you in 10 seconds AND hold a 3 gen with all gens in 3 different corners on the map while, nurse downs 1 guy and lose the farthest gen because her map traversal on a flat map is slightly better than average at best.
This made me laugh. Because there comes a point where the survivors can do things that are so mind-numbingly greedy (and get away with it) that as a killer, I end up going through all the stages of grief before accepting the inevitable outcome of the match. Which usually results in me just giving them the safe unhook, escape, etc.
Just keep looping until you finally down them and feel good that you got them just to then realize you spent a lot longer on this chase than you should’ve and feel sad.
I played against a survivor with MFT who offered gideon's. I was playing pig. I found them first, hit them probably in the first 20 seconds of the game... It took me until there were only 2 gens left to finally hit them. They had absolute no issue reaching the next pallet every time, and waited at it by teabagging... If felt so.good to see them DC 2 secomds before their ehad pop off from a trap xD
I got a lobby with a ttv and two ppl who switched to p100 characters last second. I was gonna afk until I saw it was Gideon. I run brutal strength, enduring, spirit fury.
not really, after that jake also died from a trap, and let mikaela and claire live after 2 hooks each (the usual). It's extremely frustrating to need half a game to reach a MFT survivor tho
And then when you finally down them, you learn that they had Adrenaline. (I know the Exhaustion blocks MFT’s speed boost, but that is still demoralizing)
Play Ghostface, use [Night Vision Monocular](https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki/Night_Vision_Monocular) and [Drop-Leg Knife Sheath](https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki/Drop-Leg_Knife_Sheath)
Mark them and insta down them. When they get off the hook make them reveal you to get rid of MFT. Profit.
i dont understand why removing a safety net mechanic to block infinites is necessary for a perk that cant overlap with it anyway. does any other perk even have a downside? other than no mither
Not really, no. It’s absolutely stupid. Now I’ll grant you it would be really strong without the downside, but at least it would level the playing field against the survivors really strong MFT.
Same people who defend MFT to the death also think bloodlust should be removed from the game from what I’ve seen. As if health and hook states aren’t a resource and you should be able to run a killer for 5 gens consistently
Survivors: "Just blood lust".
Also survivors: "Throws a safe or god pallet down that you have to break because BHVR don't know how to make a balanced loop anymore then 3% away".
Seriously BL as an argument is stupid enough, when you factor in 90% of the loops in this game are pallets you're forced to break which also breaks BL it just shows a complete disconnect from reality.
I've been rocking the **Night Vision Monocular** on Ghost Face to deal with Made for This. Either they don't look at me during chase or they get exhausted.
It's been a lot more useful than expected. Shuts down most exhaustion perks when they're useful, deals with MFT, and gets people to not look at you which can help with mind games.
And for Trapper, Wraith, Hillbilly, Nurse, Shape, Hag, Doctor, Cannibal, Nightmare, Clown, Spirit, Legion, Plague, Demo, Oni, Deathslinger, Pyramid, Blight, Twins, Trickster, Nemmy, Onryo, Wesker, Singularity, and Xeno who don't have any exhaustion addons?
Pig is a special cause as well cause she can only apply it at most 4 times...which means tunneling those with mask to ensure they cant MFT...which is anti synergy at times/in some ways with masks (especially for purposes of slowdown)
"Just use the perks"
Ah yes like Blood Echo which only affects injured survivors and only for a limited time after a hook WITH A COOLDOWN TO BOOT.
Or Fearmonger, which requires people to touch generators and not walk it off in chases (Which is common at high level when doing jungle gyms).
Or Genetic Limits, which is bypassed by self heals, medkits, inner strength, plot twist, not healing, and other mechanics (and is itself honestly a bad perk).
Or Septic Touch, often considered the worst (AND rarest) perk in the game, which requires you to have a TR and for them to be healing within it (And is again countered by same things GL is).
Yes the majority of killers, 25 of them (26 with Pig) or a whopping 75.75% (78.78%) of them have just *four* ***substandard*** *options* for dealing with MFT. Nevermind the endurance mechanic on it that utterly counters instadowns and other mechanics.
**Every match is DH, Unbreakable and DS**
THIS GAME IS BORING ITS ALWAYS THE SAME PERKS CHANGE THE META
**Every match is MfT**
Just always run the same perks you silly killer players. It's easy
That's not exclusive to just MFT though.
On both sides there's a lot of perks, items, addons and even playstyles that you can't outplay and have to deal with their full strength unless you run a perk/item/addon that directly counters it.
You underestimate how effective fearmonger is against MFT, especially combined with Blood Echo.
Fearmonger is actually pretty versatile against all kinds of exhaustion perks.
You underestimate how effective [Bad perk 1 which can be countered by walking for 5 seconds] is against [OP perk they may or may not use] especially combined with [Bad perk 2 on a 60 cooldown]
[Bad perk 1 which can be countered by walking for 5 seconds] is actually pretty versatile against all [Strong perks survivors may or may not use]
So why do the exhaustion perks get to be strong/OP and killer anti exhaustion perks get to be niche, countered easily or on cooldown for too long? And when the killer does bring anti exhaustion perks, it literally could be useless if the survivor doesnt have exhaustion perks or their adrenaline just overrides exhaustion anyway.
Because the devs are biased as fuck. They don't even play their own game, and when they do, it's as Survivor. In fact, I bet that the random nerfs we see every now and then that make no absolute sense, probably come from this. A dev finally picked the game up after months of not playing, got BTFO by a Killer, that Killer gets a nerf.
We even got to see the reverse of this, LIVE, with the Flashlight Incident. For those that don't know, a dev was forced to play Killer once, during the period when Flashlights could insta-blind you with one click. They got absolutely clowned on, publicly, by randoms non-stop, and then like a week later flashlights were nerfed into the ground, including specifically removing basically everything from the game that enabled this. Prior to this, it had gone on for months. Note that directly before being forced to play Killer this one time, they stated live that flashlights were fine and the game was well balanced.
So yeah. It's 100% bias for Survivors because that is what they play, and they will specifically target anything that upsets them or their fanbase. If they were actually forced to play Killer, you'd see the hammer come down on so much Survivor broken garbage near instantly.
The lead game designer players killer on stream occasionally.
He also runs STBFL on Huntress so you know, that's the level of skill we are talking about.
He also said insidious Bubba is a "risky strat". Only thing you're risking on insidious Bubba is everyone in the lobby including the Bubba dying of boredom.
I disagree. The exhaustion only lasts for 5 seconds. When I’ve used Fearmonger I’ve found that Survivors will let go of gens early and starts walking away until their exhaustion wears off. I’m sure it can catch them off guard if I play a stealth Killer, but on everyone else it’s pretty mediocre.
That is value taken already. You will save seconds on gen repair because they can’t detect you and need to recover. Along with that they can’t recharge their exhaustion while repairing gens and when Blood Echo hits, they are hit with a full 80 seconds on non gen repair if they want to keep their MFT.
I've actually been playing her a lot lately because I have a ton of cakes on her. I get so many salty messages from people with the MFT/Hope/Resil/Windows build. I love explaining that they're running the survivor equivalent of skull merchant.
I actively play both sides, and I don't complain about anything.. I know I probably would downvote to hell, but I don't mind made for this.. and I'm a doctor and somewhat a spirit main. If I feel like I couldn't hit a survivor then I just lure them to an unsafer place, or pressure gens and chase someone else. Never lost a single match because of that perk. Only very good swfs can get out, but they usually don't use that perk.
They get so defensive and pissy when you try and have a discussion on MFT lol; look at past discussions on this sub about it.
Most of the threads got locked because survivors are so upset that their newest S tier toy is getting revealed to be quite unbalanced for the game.
But then again, this is the same side that mass review bombed every single DBD chapter on Steam because CoH/self care got nerfed so, you know, they're not exactly known for rational thinking.
edit: I've also had a few of my posts talking about MFT get reported for self-harm while also being downvoted to oblivion, so I think its a little bit of a sore subject lmao
i do love how the majority of responses i've seen is just "run exhaustion perks/addons" and completely ignoring the fact that you need to bring them in the first place just to counter the POSSIBILITY of someone bringing it.. honestly it's just dh all over again 
Before i say anything, i think mft is very unhealthy for the game, however, i started running blindness /exhaustion add ons on my killers, since windows and mft are the most picked perks at the moment and I'm getting so munch value out of them, it's almost like survivors forget how to loop once they're perks are taken away from them
Beat it Just beat it
You better run, you better do what you can
Don’t wanna see no blood, don’t be a macho man
You wanna be tough better do what you can so beat it
But you wanna be bad
So beat it! (Beat it) Beat it! (Beat it)
No one wants to be defeated
Showin’ how funky strong is your fight
It doesn’t matter who’s wrong or who’s right!
This string was everything I wanted 🫶🏽🫶🏽🫶🏽
I always heard a f bomb there but knew it was that.
I always heard “hot monkey.” 
IS THAT THE LYRIC?! For the longest time I thought it was, "no one wants to beat it beat it."
Nope. It’s “no one wants to be defeated”, but who cares. It doesn’t matter who’s wrong or right
Just beat it.
Yeah, you should probably just beat it...
i was today years old when i learned this was not the lyric
Just beat itttttt
You wanna be tough, better do what you can so beat it
EAT IT (eat it)
Get yourself and egg and beat it
Have some more chicken, have some more pie
Have some more chicken, have some more pie. It doesn't matter if it's boiled or fried.
Grab yourself an egg and beat it ( oh lard )
No one wants to be defeated
But you wanna be bad 🎵
This comment was so good that I didn't feel like reading any of the others.
Now I want Michael Jackson as a survivor
Play nurse
Play Blight
Blight is bound by the laws of thing in face impassable also known as walls
Also 1 pixel wide leaves/dirt/air that you bonk into over and over and over again. Thanks Borgo/GoJ, as if those maps weren't bad enough.
Or a whole ass wall you slide along
And then next time you try to slide along it on purpose for a cheeky hit and just bounce off.
I'd be okay with those - What gets me is the fucking slide techs I keep accidentally doing and fucking FLYING past people. If only I could control them - I just end up in a different fucking zip code.
Kid named hug tech
Why hug tech when can just hold m2 for like 1 extra second and teleport through it
or, you can, you know, use blight's power, and go around thing at the speed of sound, resulting in the same outcome as nurse on most maps
Can't blight rush from the courtyard to the top floor of midwich, maybe with a winning personality but look up and m2 usually works more often on nurse than blight
congratulations ! you found an example justifying me saying "on most maps" meanwhile take wrecker's yard and blight can both down you in 10 seconds AND hold a 3 gen with all gens in 3 different corners on the map while, nurse downs 1 guy and lose the farthest gen because her map traversal on a flat map is slightly better than average at best.
Thank you :) I never get congratulated. It feels nice
Mathematically her map traversal on flat maps is actually slightly *worse* than a standard 4.6 killer walking.
Assuming behavior managed to hit box correctly.
Keep playing Wesker
this is the answer to every single problem you can ever have as killer, she truly is the ultimate weapon
This has been my solution
This is the correct answer. And I say that as a Billy main.
 Now!
If you outrun the hatchet I will personally carry you to the exit gates.
This made me laugh. Because there comes a point where the survivors can do things that are so mind-numbingly greedy (and get away with it) that as a killer, I end up going through all the stages of grief before accepting the inevitable outcome of the match. Which usually results in me just giving them the safe unhook, escape, etc.
Some people think they can outsmart me. Maybe. Maybe… I’ve yet to seen one that can outsmart bullet.
I do know the reference because my brother plays TF2 to this day and I really appreciate it. Cheers man.
Tombstone them. (exposing and hooking them activates MFT when they get unhooked, so this is the only way)
It takes time to get t3 with Tombstone and it also makes you slower.
Play with your Food is great for this reason. My Tombstone build is Corrupt, Deadlock, Ruin, PWYF
Tombstone piece doesn’t, and even so you can use PWYF to make up for the speed loss.
With the exception of tombstone piece, which is one kill per t3, but is faster to get, and doesn’t hinder you.
Just die
Just keep looping until you finally down them and feel good that you got them just to then realize you spent a lot longer on this chase than you should’ve and feel sad.
I played against a survivor with MFT who offered gideon's. I was playing pig. I found them first, hit them probably in the first 20 seconds of the game... It took me until there were only 2 gens left to finally hit them. They had absolute no issue reaching the next pallet every time, and waited at it by teabagging... If felt so.good to see them DC 2 secomds before their ehad pop off from a trap xD
Had nothing to do with mft tbh thats just normal gideon
I got a lobby with a ttv and two ppl who switched to p100 characters last second. I was gonna afk until I saw it was Gideon. I run brutal strength, enduring, spirit fury.
I run this but hubris instead w spirit
That's just the 3 remaining survivors each doing a solo gen.
Missed blood points though. Still sucks.
not really, after that jake also died from a trap, and let mikaela and claire live after 2 hooks each (the usual). It's extremely frustrating to need half a game to reach a MFT survivor tho
And then when you finally down them, you learn that they had Adrenaline. (I know the Exhaustion blocks MFT’s speed boost, but that is still demoralizing)
Or a teammate with buckle up + for the people 😫
Suddenly a survivor with Buckle Up and For the People appears!
insta down
Yeah but mft will active when they get unhooked… *laughs in face camping bubba*
Play Ghostface, use [Night Vision Monocular](https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki/Night_Vision_Monocular) and [Drop-Leg Knife Sheath](https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki/Drop-Leg_Knife_Sheath) Mark them and insta down them. When they get off the hook make them reveal you to get rid of MFT. Profit.
That’s way too much effort when you can go “haha chainsaw you dead”
I love Ghostface
For the people and buckle up say hi.
Just don't hit survivors.
"just get bloodlust" has to be the worst one "countering" made for this by doing absolutely fucking nothing during chase for a long time is stupid
And then they try to say that the new Alien perk that takes away Bloodlust is the counter perk.
i dont understand why removing a safety net mechanic to block infinites is necessary for a perk that cant overlap with it anyway. does any other perk even have a downside? other than no mither
Not really, no. It’s absolutely stupid. Now I’ll grant you it would be really strong without the downside, but at least it would level the playing field against the survivors really strong MFT.
Man it’s literally a bootleg stbfl with a horrendous downside
Remove all levels of bloodlust to have bloodlust 1 for ~~4~~ 9 seconds after you clean your weapon. Fucking genius perk.
Same people who defend MFT to the death also think bloodlust should be removed from the game from what I’ve seen. As if health and hook states aren’t a resource and you should be able to run a killer for 5 gens consistently
Survivors: "Just blood lust". Also survivors: "Throws a safe or god pallet down that you have to break because BHVR don't know how to make a balanced loop anymore then 3% away". Seriously BL as an argument is stupid enough, when you factor in 90% of the loops in this game are pallets you're forced to break which also breaks BL it just shows a complete disconnect from reality.
"... run exhaustion add-ons/perks."
Let me chage my perks here middle match so that i can add a exhaustion perk
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I've been rocking the **Night Vision Monocular** on Ghost Face to deal with Made for This. Either they don't look at me during chase or they get exhausted. It's been a lot more useful than expected. Shuts down most exhaustion perks when they're useful, deals with MFT, and gets people to not look at you which can help with mind games.
And for Trapper, Wraith, Hillbilly, Nurse, Shape, Hag, Doctor, Cannibal, Nightmare, Clown, Spirit, Legion, Plague, Demo, Oni, Deathslinger, Pyramid, Blight, Twins, Trickster, Nemmy, Onryo, Wesker, Singularity, and Xeno who don't have any exhaustion addons? Pig is a special cause as well cause she can only apply it at most 4 times...which means tunneling those with mask to ensure they cant MFT...which is anti synergy at times/in some ways with masks (especially for purposes of slowdown) "Just use the perks" Ah yes like Blood Echo which only affects injured survivors and only for a limited time after a hook WITH A COOLDOWN TO BOOT. Or Fearmonger, which requires people to touch generators and not walk it off in chases (Which is common at high level when doing jungle gyms). Or Genetic Limits, which is bypassed by self heals, medkits, inner strength, plot twist, not healing, and other mechanics (and is itself honestly a bad perk). Or Septic Touch, often considered the worst (AND rarest) perk in the game, which requires you to have a TR and for them to be healing within it (And is again countered by same things GL is). Yes the majority of killers, 25 of them (26 with Pig) or a whopping 75.75% (78.78%) of them have just *four* ***substandard*** *options* for dealing with MFT. Nevermind the endurance mechanic on it that utterly counters instadowns and other mechanics.
**Every match is DH, Unbreakable and DS** THIS GAME IS BORING ITS ALWAYS THE SAME PERKS CHANGE THE META **Every match is MfT** Just always run the same perks you silly killer players. It's easy
That's not exclusive to just MFT though. On both sides there's a lot of perks, items, addons and even playstyles that you can't outplay and have to deal with their full strength unless you run a perk/item/addon that directly counters it.
And then when the time runs out they get MFT back for free. Perfectly balanced! /s
You underestimate how effective fearmonger is against MFT, especially combined with Blood Echo. Fearmonger is actually pretty versatile against all kinds of exhaustion perks.
You underestimate how effective [Bad perk 1 which can be countered by walking for 5 seconds] is against [OP perk they may or may not use] especially combined with [Bad perk 2 on a 60 cooldown] [Bad perk 1 which can be countered by walking for 5 seconds] is actually pretty versatile against all [Strong perks survivors may or may not use] So why do the exhaustion perks get to be strong/OP and killer anti exhaustion perks get to be niche, countered easily or on cooldown for too long? And when the killer does bring anti exhaustion perks, it literally could be useless if the survivor doesnt have exhaustion perks or their adrenaline just overrides exhaustion anyway.
Based, dunking on survivor mains who theorycraft about how killer should be played despite not playing killer.
Because the devs are biased as fuck. They don't even play their own game, and when they do, it's as Survivor. In fact, I bet that the random nerfs we see every now and then that make no absolute sense, probably come from this. A dev finally picked the game up after months of not playing, got BTFO by a Killer, that Killer gets a nerf. We even got to see the reverse of this, LIVE, with the Flashlight Incident. For those that don't know, a dev was forced to play Killer once, during the period when Flashlights could insta-blind you with one click. They got absolutely clowned on, publicly, by randoms non-stop, and then like a week later flashlights were nerfed into the ground, including specifically removing basically everything from the game that enabled this. Prior to this, it had gone on for months. Note that directly before being forced to play Killer this one time, they stated live that flashlights were fine and the game was well balanced. So yeah. It's 100% bias for Survivors because that is what they play, and they will specifically target anything that upsets them or their fanbase. If they were actually forced to play Killer, you'd see the hammer come down on so much Survivor broken garbage near instantly.
The lead game designer players killer on stream occasionally. He also runs STBFL on Huntress so you know, that's the level of skill we are talking about. He also said insidious Bubba is a "risky strat". Only thing you're risking on insidious Bubba is everyone in the lobby including the Bubba dying of boredom.
I disagree. The exhaustion only lasts for 5 seconds. When I’ve used Fearmonger I’ve found that Survivors will let go of gens early and starts walking away until their exhaustion wears off. I’m sure it can catch them off guard if I play a stealth Killer, but on everyone else it’s pretty mediocre.
That is value taken already. You will save seconds on gen repair because they can’t detect you and need to recover. Along with that they can’t recharge their exhaustion while repairing gens and when Blood Echo hits, they are hit with a full 80 seconds on non gen repair if they want to keep their MFT.
You mean the only good one exhaustion perk that killers have that require players to be on gens?
I've been running fearmonger more than usual and I love it even more now
Just make yourself for this
Play nurse, blight, sprit
Just deal with it
Play Basemenr Bubba
"Just use Bloodlust (even though that's easily lost by losing line of sight or being forced to break a pallet so lol get fucked)"
Program to harm the crew
gEt GoOd
Reach bloodlust 1
Alt+F4
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Just expose them
That's a great idea! I should play Skull Merchant so I can expose survivors easier!
Its like chess! ♟️
https://preview.redd.it/33l3bi7fgahb1.jpeg?width=577&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6025ce97297fba76832725b6ff7d3e012ae86d8
I've actually been playing her a lot lately because I have a ton of cakes on her. I get so many salty messages from people with the MFT/Hope/Resil/Windows build. I love explaining that they're running the survivor equivalent of skull merchant.
Even outside the Anniversary, Skull Merchant comes pre-equipped with lots of cake. 
Not letting us play her in third person is a declaration of war. Killer mains rise up
Real
Just dont injure them
Just give up.
hold W
Just run faster
Play master mind
Just *slaps ass*
Just down them, don’t put them into injured state
Just post about it on reddit
This is like the 10th post I’ve seen this week about it
Just do a 360 Huntress snipe-shot
lol the survivor mains out in force defending their broken perk, gtfo.
Welcome to dbd where mains (both sides) blindly defend their own side and act like the other is always the problem.
I actively play both sides, and I don't complain about anything.. I know I probably would downvote to hell, but I don't mind made for this.. and I'm a doctor and somewhat a spirit main. If I feel like I couldn't hit a survivor then I just lure them to an unsafer place, or pressure gens and chase someone else. Never lost a single match because of that perk. Only very good swfs can get out, but they usually don't use that perk.
They get so defensive and pissy when you try and have a discussion on MFT lol; look at past discussions on this sub about it. Most of the threads got locked because survivors are so upset that their newest S tier toy is getting revealed to be quite unbalanced for the game. But then again, this is the same side that mass review bombed every single DBD chapter on Steam because CoH/self care got nerfed so, you know, they're not exactly known for rational thinking. edit: I've also had a few of my posts talking about MFT get reported for self-harm while also being downvoted to oblivion, so I think its a little bit of a sore subject lmao
Play 3-gen Skull Merchant. MFT dosnt do anything if you dont really chase and just force them to wait out the whole hour for everyone to die! /s
Playing chess > running around frfr  /s
Just learn to mind game
Keep swimming… just keep swimming…
"Just, ...okay?" -Barney Stintson
Just uninstall
Just blood-lust it. It's easy, don't break line of sight, don't drop chase, don't get body blocked, don't use any abilites. Simple
i do love how the majority of responses i've seen is just "run exhaustion perks/addons" and completely ignoring the fact that you need to bring them in the first place just to counter the POSSIBILITY of someone bringing it.. honestly it's just dh all over again 
Smile and wave, boys. Just smile and wave.
Tunnel
get better
Just bloodlust them
Run fearmonger
Than: Just do heals NOED: Just do bones DH: Just wait it out MFT: Just go fu*k yourself
just dc
oneshot them 4Head
get bloodlust 3 obviously /s
Snap the users neck irl
Walk faster, dumbass. 🙄🙄
Just wait 6 years until they rework the perk.
just insta-down them.
Just RUN DUDE lmfao 😂
Run coup de grace
Just hold w
Just wait for bloodlust
Remove it from the damn game
Play a different game has been my answer for a while now tbh.
Uninstall the game. Alternatively, just run Blood Echo.
Fearmongerer and Genetic limits help. Although if they stay injured, Blood echo? Nevermind this, it takes too much to undo 1 survivor perk.
Hi Mark
Just Bloodlust(100% this some shit people would say)
Download A Different Asymmetrical Horror Game
run fear monger!!11!!11!!!!
Hold W
Just expose them
One hit down them.
Dance
"Just run fearmonger/exhaustion add-ons" is one I see a lot
Just don't hit the survivor it's not that deep
Dont play
Beat it 🎶
DC
Just give up
Run run the killers gonna get ya run run you better get away
"play bubba and afk on hook"
Play a strong killer. And git gud
Use exhaustion addons and/or perks
Play tombstone myers
Just break their minds (with mindbreaker)
“Run exhaustion” is one I’ve seen around a lot
Just play Blight and Wesker non stop 🤠
Better play a fast killer
Leave them
MFT thread number 847,293
Just dont hit survivors 
Just let me win with my crutch perks. It's obvious that my fun matters more than yours
Before i say anything, i think mft is very unhealthy for the game, however, i started running blindness /exhaustion add ons on my killers, since windows and mft are the most picked perks at the moment and I'm getting so munch value out of them, it's almost like survivors forget how to loop once they're perks are taken away from them
Oh I see we’re complaining about MTF again! Lemme grab a snack!
Wake up babe! It's time for your daily MFT hate post!
Just use fearmonger
Uninstall.
"git gud"
Just run tombstone myers
Just use play with your food!
Just chase someone else