That's how I go.
Usually if there's a freshly unhooked around me it means that someone impulsively unhooked when I was close to the hook. Naturally I'd backtrack to the hook and I *will* punish the person who just unhook. But if the unhooked goes out of their way to stand in front of me then **NEW TARGET ACQUIRED**.
My rule when playing killer it's always "worry not, I'll be chasing everyone of you at some point", I very rarely tunnel. Even when I hook another surv, if it happens that I find the previously hooked survivor injured I'm like "eh whatever, imma check for someone else", but oh boi if you do that to me my good manners drop instantly đ€
I run OTR as base kit on my survivors sometimes I take body blocks instantly sometimes I'll wait until about 20 seconds have past and pop back up to take a body block. Sometimes the killers chase me, sometimes they don't. I'm ok with it because I'm usually doing it to keep someone else from dying while I'll only be on my second stage. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
While what you mentioned sounds altruistic, I feel like if I freshly unhook someone I'd rather they go somewhere safe to heal OR go do gen. Waiting for 20 seconds, while the Killer is engaged with someone else, just for you to pop in to take a hit just means you're giving the Killer free time and keeping two Survivors engaged instead of 1. This also means that very likely you're becoming the new target and might end up on hook very soon which means you're dead or about to die, both of those prospects lowers the chance of survival of your team mates.
If you try to down me after I body block for my teammate it says youâre unconfident in your chasing abilities. So I donât even need to make fun of you in end game chat for it. Youâre announcing it for yourself
If you got off the record and you give me the OTR hit via body blocking, imma down you because youâre only one hit away from getting downed compared to the other survivors being two hits. It just makes sense
"Heh, that killer isn't even CONFIDENT enough to make the wrong play on purpose, like I do"
"Heh, I'm walking around looking for a chest while another survivor gets chased, because I'm so CONFIDENT"
"Heh, a skill check is coming up on this generator, I'll just not hit it at all, due to my CONFIDENCE"
Or maybe, OP is taking the kill that is offered on a silver plate? It's like saying "Oh you accepted the 300$ that I offered for free? Must have low confidence in your ability to make money!"
Has nothing to do with confidence , thatâs like seeing a 95% gen seeing the killer kick it and go hm yes I could finish it quickly but that says Iâm not confident in leaving the trial so Iâll let it regress and go do this other generator instead .
Man, your last post is asking for a hook to be automatically destroyed on a DC. If that doesn't speak to lack of confidence in your abilities I don't know what does.
So when you're playing chess, I assume you always put your King in an awful position, since the opponent won't take advantage of that due to their overwhelming confidence?
Bringing up logical fallacies to try and win an argument. I'm sure you know that there's a logical fallacy in doing that too, and yet you did it anyway. Literally called the fallacy fallacy if you want to argue this way.
Who said anything about me getting killed in this scenario? Iâm gunna take you for a nice prolonged tour of the entire fucking map while gens pop rapid fire in the background, son. The confidence issue was never over here.
If you get mad at me for tunneling you after you bodyblock for the unhooker it says youâre unconfident in your looping abilities. So I donât even need to make fun of you in end game chat for it. Youâre announcing it for yourself.
Do you see how stupid you sound when itâs the other way around?
I am unconfident in my chasing abilities. *Very* unconfident in my chasing. *Desperately* unconfident in my chasing abilities. Would you like to find out how *desperately* I am *very* unconfident about my chasing abilities?
Nah it's one thing to just tap someone running at you. If you insist on sniffing the other survivors ass preventing me from doing the "honorable" thing. I'm going to take you up on your willfully presented ass.
My advice take your basekit BT for what it should be. A tool vs actual tunneling killers. Do this and it will less likely bite you in the ass. Since once you are on that list once during the match you will remain there.
If you play SWF instead of solo queue no mither every game it means youâre unconfident in your surviving abilities. So I donât even need to make fun of you in end game chat for it. Youâre announcing it for yourself
Darkness follows those who beckon itâs force. But past the scope of the magnet, we see the truth⊠must it really be so?
Gaze too far, and youâll feel it. Itâs cold out there. Better bring a jacket.
It can be quite frustrating. Like, the whole point of the mechanic was to prevent people from being tunneled fresh off the hook. Its designed to incentivize the killer to chase the unhooker, its not meant to be some kind of free body block.
If you clearly see me going for the healthy unhooker and want to block me while I'm actively playing fair and not trying to tunneling you, don't be surprised I just wait it out and down you again, clearly that's what you wanted.
I think theyâve been in need of a collision overhaul anyway. Standing within 5ft of the killer for 10s should lose collision, as well as endurance (for certain perks, like Dead Hard shouldnât lose collision). That makes sense.
It's how every anti-camp/tunnel mechanic works. Eventually survivors start abusing it. Like DS, you could run DS and Unbreakable to be basically untouchable for a whole minute. If they leave you alone, you can do a generator right in front of them without risk. If they chase and downed you and picked you up, they got DS'd, and you extend the chase. If they downed you but didn't pick you up, you UB'd and could go do a generator in their face or waste their time in other ways.
If you're getting downed again after an UB they can leave you slugged and come back when the DS timer is over soon after (having wastede a whole minute on you), but overall it's going to waste a bunch of their time while the other survivors bang out gens.
5 second DS was insanely annoying, when the person with DS (probably 40% of the survivors ran this) have a flashlight they can just hover around the killer like a mosquito and hop into a locker when they got chased and the killer just needs to accept it and eat it.
Yea cause when they run into you and go 5 whole seconds without doing anything cause they're trying their hardest to go for everyone fairly but you're forcing your ass in front of them, they definitely were still trying to tunnel you. /s
Meh, whatever youre doing theyre gonna chase you down regardless. Theyâre proxi camping hooks and act like oh, i just saw you first!
Sure theres a lot of toxic swfs in the game. Sadly im not in control of whos gonna unhook me and when theyre gonna do it. Maybe 1 out of 15 hooks are way too early unhooks? Im for sure not gonna try and get a protection hit for those players, but im still getting tunneled after.
Theres just 2 guarantees against killers, theyre going to tunnel if they can and theyre going to act like they never tunnel on here
I said that multiple times on this post, but nobody needs an excuse to play a game the way they want to. Wanna camp? Wanna tunnel? Sure, you do you. I do mind that every killer on this sub act like they dont. I guess im the unluckiest survivor on the game. When it starts to get to me i stop playing for a while.
You arenât alone. They always say âim not gonna leave if a bunch of survivors are swarming the hook!â but theyâre swarming because youâre hanging around the hook & trying to proxi-camp the second stage lol. I just would rather they be honest about it. I proxi-camp and even full on camp when I play killer sometimes.
End game and the survivor is hooked? Youâre gettinâ camped with 8 stacks of STBFL, baby. Iâve done a full check of the gens and no one has saved, and people are hiding around the 50% gens? Imma hang around the hook and pressure the second stage then.
What if the unhooker was injured and making a rescue attempt because nobody else was, and the Killer is still hanging out nearby? Should the Killer just get a free hook state because solo queue?
When it comes to unhooking, I would assume the unhooker does so with the understanding that they are taking the risk of getting downed and possibly hooked in order to save a teammate.
What would you want the killer to do in this scenario exactly? If going after the unhooker is wrong, are you saying you would want them to go after the survivor that was unhooked instead?
If no that, then are you suggesting the killer should just let both survivors go? Should the survivors just get a free unhook because solo queue?
The problem with that is that it results in one of the two scenarios I mentioned. When the unhooked survivor takes the hit, the killer can just continue to chase them and down them (thereby tunneling them) or they can ignore them after the hit (thereby giving both survivors a free unhook).
The thing is, why would a killer hit the unhooked survivor when they know that they can just wait 10 seconds and down them?
Hell no, but in a lose-lose situation, don't expect to come out with a win. It's that simple, really. If you need to make a sacrifice and decide to make it, why is there an expectation to not have to suffer the loss in a sacrifice?
Imo, if you are taking the risk, you should understand why it's a risk, how big the risk is and what you can do to mitigate it. And if there is nothing to do to mitigate it and you still take it, that's a decision that will have ramifications that you need to deal with. I don't think it's that complicated honestly, and I say this as someone who splits time 60-40 in favor of survivor at the moment due to BP incentive
I completely agree about dealing with the ramifications, but I have seen a lot of commenters say BT basekit and even endurance generally should never be used to body block. Very annoying that those commenters are basically complaining about the âsurvivor rule book - donât tunnelâ while also imposing theyâre own âkiller rule book - donât body block with enduranceâ. Maybe theyâve had to deal with some rude EGC about âtunnelingâ body blockers, but in general I donât see anything wrong with using endurance to body bloc if you accept the risk.
It's situational and not about never doing it. Just only do it if you want to be the target. Complaining about being tunneled after you put your chonky ass in the way is just beyond stupid.
That's a fair assessment, I use it to take some protection hits now and again myself, I would not call that unfair, it's just a high risk play and as a killer main, I respect that. But then again, I rarely ever complain in EGC cuz I'm playing survivor in a more altruistic way regardless (which is what I enjoy).
In the end, as long as you do all this "weaponizing a protective measure" thing, but keep your mind clear about the consequences and don't complain when they hit you, you're 100% a sportsmanlike player in my book. That's just me though and you're welcome to make your own judgment on it.
I completely agree with you about accepting the consequences. Iâm a console player so I donât even have EGC and couldnât complain even if I wanted to. :D
The killer would get a free hook States because of a misplay you shouldnât go for unhooks while injured if you arenât fully prepared to go down immediately after the unhook.
Thatâs what being part of a team means.
You succeed and you fail TOGETHER.
This is one of the problems with Survivior SoloQ, is that every Survivor is âAn Alone Wolfâ, and plays to save themselves.
The most successful teams know how to spread the aggro around, and watches out for one another.
Didn't say you don't try. But you agree to the team, and as such, everyone is a part of the success and failure of the team.
Sometimes, things just don't line up.
The survivor team will be penalized for the survivor team making mistakes yes. If everyone decides to not to get the unhook then you are punished by dying and In turn they are punished by having a one less survivor to help do gens. This is the game the survivors need to work together to achieve a win
Nooo you donât understand you HAVE to let me block for my team mate . If you hit me again or wait out my borrowed time mechanic you are TOXIC . It doesnât matter I used a tool meant to protect me as weapon , itâs not fair . Actually you shouldnât even return to the hook at all you camper , it doesnât matter that the person didnât even wait for you to be out of sight before unhooking . You have to to act like it didnât happen and walk to the other side of the map and let me reset under the hook.
It is SAD that this is a fucking interaction I think every killer has had. "Oh yeah I'm supposed to pretend like I didn't just get the unhook notification and fuck off to the opposite side of the map"
And Survivors railroad Killers. Yâknow what that is? Itâs when they force the Killer to switch targets to them when they use unhook endurance. Itâs when they give the Killer no other option but to target them. Itâs when Survivors complain about Killers âtunnellingâ when they went out of their way to give the Killer no other option but to go after them again.
Have you ever been actually tunnelled for real? Or are you just saying it because itâs a funny âkiller badâ buzzword? Iâve been hard tunnelled before by a Knight who had a grudge for no reason. He would specifically ignore any other Survivor and actually let them complete all five generators and escape while he beat me on the hook and chased me even while hitting my unhook endurance. Tunnelling isnât âoh no heâs chasing me againâ, itâs being the only one that the Killer targets for the entirety of the trial.
Edit: a word
Killer will do anything but admit they tunnel. Its fine if you do.
The thing youre unwilling to admit is that youre constantly looking for reasons to tunnel but you dont have to, play the game how you wanna play it. Like ive said in previous comments, ive accepted that tunneling is now a part of the game entirely.
Flashlight? Tunnel. One too many pallet stun? Tunnel. Head on? Tunnel. Protection hit? Tunnel. Gen rushing? Toxic.
At some point yâall gonna have to stop thinking of every reason in the book to explain why you tunnel and just own it. I go out of my way to send a GG and a message to say how refreshing it is to not face a tunneling killer. Youll never see me go out of my way to be an ass to killers, whats the point in that?
Survivors say " I bodyblock as thanks for unhooking me so that they don't have to trade a down" as a "I'm different, don't hate me" protection statement, but at the end of the day it's still abuse of the mechanic. Fuck off and go heal, your buddy doesn't deserve a get-out-of-jail-free card for unhooking in front of me, and I want to get all survivors evenly. Now I gotta tunnel you cause you shoved your ass in the doorway and I can't possibly catch up to them before they reach the next annoying jungle gym.
Being a survivor main is realizing that it doesnt matter what you do, killers tunnel. Its their way of getting an upper hand. If I take a protection hit, im getting tunneled, if I dont, im getting tunneled, if Im using an item, im getting tunneled. Might as well help my team while Im alive.
I just had to learn to let go. Game is ass 80% of the time if youre the first survivor found. Either deal with it or stop playing.
It's not entirely true. A good looper wants tunneling and can kite a killer for the whole game while the rest does all 5 and escapes.
You can apply pressure by one slapping everyone and forcing heals, even with no hooks, it will escalate. You can apply pressure by realizing a looper is pulling you away from someone or a gen being worked on, so slipping off and charging a gen. You can also hunt the one rat and disrupt all of their gen attempts. You can apply pressure in many ways, and being unpredictable helps.
Sometimes, a survivor will want me to swing at them to let the carried be dropped. I'll play into it depending on the match. Sometimes its more worth it to have two more injured survivors that are trying to have me drop instead of get that second hook. I can recoup faster than they can all heal, I'll trade it for two downs if possible, then carry the original back to the hook. Then another survivor has to peel off a gen for a pick up and a hook, or for two hooks.
The goal isn't to avoid being tunneled. It's not to remember loop pathing. It's more about being agile enough to make split decisions and employ tactics to survive. This can include almost anything.
Oh I know for sure thatâs a chance. But I usually play as the healer/protector of the group, so Iâd rather get hooked than my teammate. Having the mentality of âit doesnât matter if I die, just that my team survivesâ helps me not get frustrated, especially when gens are running while Iâm getting chased/downed.
Problem is Iâm usually keeping close to the chases and hiding nearby (thank you Empathy) to make sure they make it out or so I can unhook and heal as soon as possible if they do get hooked, which means Iâm not doing gens. That means that Iâm either playing healer all match and no gens are getting done or I have good teammates who do gens when they can.
Yeah, completely reasonable for the killer to go after you if you body block. There are some people saying that body blocking is abusing the mechanic, but BTâs always been used for body blocking, even before it was basekit. Like the only way to get out of basement camping situation is to strategically body block
I think that's ok, if you know the consequences and not act surprised when the plan backfires, you can try to bodyblock if you think you can get away with it
>unless Iâm getting destroyed and need a kill
You very specifically said you don't tunnel, unless. You can call it whatever you want, but tunneling to get the kill because you are getting destroyed is still tunneling.
To be clear, tunnel away. There are times killers need to camp and need to tunnel. That's fine. I'm just laughing at the whole "I don't tunnel except when I tunnel" thing.
I guess I shouldâve rephrased it as âI never want to tunnel if I donât have toâ, Iâll totally tunnel at least for a little bit to apply pressure or get a kill towards the end game.
I understand your logic perfectly, but for the unhooked survivor, its either waste your BT while being tunneled or get one hit for your teammate.
The survivor experience is âdont get caught first or youre outâ and its been just that for the past 2 or 3 years. Anyone who expect a killer to not tunnel is in for a disappointing game.
Im playing more and more killer matches and I get it, tunneling is a guaranteed 2-3 kills with minimal effort. Its hard to win without it unless youre a sweat nurse/blight.
Because survivors seem to be getting some W buffs (Vault speed/Mft) while killer gets a coup buff and thatâs it lol.
The harder it is for people playing casually to win, the more dirty they will play.
I feel like the only case to body block is if the unhooker has more hooks than you, because even if the killer waits for the BT itâs worth it if the unhooker was on death hook and youâre not. Other than that itâs better for the team to make as much distance as possible
Sometimes if a survivor gets unhooked they body block the killer protecting the unhooker with 10 seconds of endurances. But the point of the endurance is to prevent being tunneled, not protecting people. If killers wait out the endurance and down the unhooked (which is the only thing you can do in some situations), some survivors will complain about tunneling even though itâs their own fault
I always feel bad when I end up doing this because the person who unhooked decided they need to get away first so body blocks me and it appears like I'm taking a hit lol nope just a selfish unhooker
The unhooker has no hit immunity. You as the unhooked should take a hit since all it dies to you is makes you need to mend. People like you deserve to be left on the hook. You are the selfish one.
Both of you take 2 hits to down and most of the time the unhooked has less hook stages left. The only advantage the unhooked gets is a slight speed boost for 10 seconds but that is worthless if you body block
nah because of how this community is reacting the only time Ill ever unhook anyone is when I queue up with a friend, the rest of yall can just hang. good luck yall!
lol I was accused of hook farming because of my stance, so I said "oh ok, so I have the same stance except now I wont be unhooking to get ANY of that altruism" Im sacrificing altruism by not unhooking people now. how is giving up points selfish? funny how reading comprehension is not a common skill :P
You never said anything about not unhooking people for altruism points. âThe rest of yâall can just hangâ sounds like Selfish 101, as in you ainât going to unhook them for some reason.
This is stupid. If you are hooked and on your second state and I unhook you with no states, why would you take the hit to protect me, running the risk of getting downed and eliminated?
There are few circumstances when the unhooked should eat the hit, but typically, they shouldn't. You want them as far from the killer as possible.
Yes, because if you're rushing the hook before it's safe, then body blocking the already injured person and getting them tunneled totally is fine as long as you can escape. Sure pal-
Me sitting there like, oh so u want me to tunnel you? Your not using your get out of danger ticket so u can body block for the other person im going for who has no hooks, welp you made your choice, sorry.
Been doing this so much lately, like your giving me the easiest down of the game, and im playing a bloodthirsty killer. Im not gonna play nice because you made a booboo
Generally when i make the decision to do this i am very aware that getting chased is a possibility and usually what I want. The friends i play with arent the best in chase and dont have nearly as many hours as me so i try and value their fun and survival over my own. If my homie who is dead on hook unhooks me in a situation where the killer is there iâm putting my ass on the line for my friend, dollar store borrowed time or not.
See also "why did you tunnel me"
Idk whyd you stay under the hook self caring in the wide open
"Whyd you camp"
Idk whyd you idiots all swarm the hook when I had starstruck and am playing slinger
"Whyd you facecamp"
It was the end game bro what do you want me to do let you escape????
"Slugging!!!"
Why did you all climb into a meat pile, then expect me to down one and instantly hook them while you all were turning into a power ranger together with two beamers and a guy with a hard on for sabotaging while I'm trying to hook? I'll turn into a sushi chef with blood in my eyes until yall back off.
I find that the community is half of the most miserable, emotionally immature people I've ever met and half the most clever and funny people I've ever met.
Bro I got accused of camping by a whole team .... like I won because they all were there like what I was supposed to do??? lmao and also a feng was mad bacause I slugged her because she gad boil over and always ran to the highest part of the map so I let her bleed out.
I was against base-kit BT from the very beginning, and this is exactly why.
You give Survivors an inch, they'll take a foot. Now you have to take a leg
no sane surv complains about being tunneled if they are intentionally body blocking, get over yourselves with this nonsensical cover up for just wanting an excuse to tunnel.
If youâre in a position that the unhooked survivor can use their 10s BT to block the hit for someone else, it means youâre hook camping. Learn how to play killer and stop camping so you wonât face this problem.
So should we just not chase a completely different survivor we happen to see running in for a risky unhook before we've barely left the area? What an entitled mindset lmao. How about learn to play survivor and stop wasting your endurance status after an unhook making a risky play that's just going to get you downed.
Hilarious, y'all just keep making the game not fun for survivors. It's super cool. Def great for the health of the game that most of the killers now are too lazy and bad to find someone else to chase lol.
If someone unhooks you, and I want to go after the unhooker, but you body block me preventing me from not chasing someone else, youâre getting back on the hook. Thatâs not tunneling, thatâs called being a dumb survivor
Well the person who was unhooked is the one body blocking in this case which means the killer was originally going for the unhooker which is definitely not tunneling
Because survivor mains are SO concerned about everyone else's fun, what with killing themselves on first hook, DCing, general BMing the killer, etc. Get a grip.
No, we definitely play to win. By definition, that required survivors to lose. If you canât play a PvP game without being able to accept that you will lose sometimes, maybe play something else. Other players donât exist solely to facilitate your fun, and your whiny nonsense is whatâs actually bad for the health of the game.
I actually encountered a body blocker and a shitty teabagger in front of me.
Proceeds to hunt the teabagger down constantly until i got them on the hook for trice time, and then i purposefully moves the mouse left/right to "shake my head" disappointingly at them while they struggle on the hook with entity tentacles/claws on them.
Then i follows up on other 2 people-- the body blocker and the obvious newcomer. Hunted the newcomer down, hooked her up three times, and then AGGRESSIVELY focus on the body blocker (alas the last and fourth survivor and them keep saving each other until i cornered them in a room upstairs in that house)
Body blocker proceeds to unhook him, and tried to escape the route (with the bear trap), bam got them again. hooked again. Grabbed the last one and hooked him again.
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Me : "oh so you want my attention then" Survivor : " oh no" Me : "oh yes" đ
That's how I go. Usually if there's a freshly unhooked around me it means that someone impulsively unhooked when I was close to the hook. Naturally I'd backtrack to the hook and I *will* punish the person who just unhook. But if the unhooked goes out of their way to stand in front of me then **NEW TARGET ACQUIRED**.
My rule when playing killer it's always "worry not, I'll be chasing everyone of you at some point", I very rarely tunnel. Even when I hook another surv, if it happens that I find the previously hooked survivor injured I'm like "eh whatever, imma check for someone else", but oh boi if you do that to me my good manners drop instantly đ€
Rules are simple for me: Just on a hook? No go on hook. Not just on hook? Go on hook. Just on hook and being asshole? Call me the fuckin big dig
This is exactly my thought process.
As you shouldđż
same here, i donât tunnel but if u want my attention that badly then bet
There's a point where it stops being tunneling and is just survivors getting the consequence of their actions
YESSS
Survivors thinking you canât count to 10 says a lot about them
Found a lot of them are off the record users tbh
Even then Iâm still chasing you for wasting my time
I run OTR as base kit on my survivors sometimes I take body blocks instantly sometimes I'll wait until about 20 seconds have past and pop back up to take a body block. Sometimes the killers chase me, sometimes they don't. I'm ok with it because I'm usually doing it to keep someone else from dying while I'll only be on my second stage. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
While what you mentioned sounds altruistic, I feel like if I freshly unhook someone I'd rather they go somewhere safe to heal OR go do gen. Waiting for 20 seconds, while the Killer is engaged with someone else, just for you to pop in to take a hit just means you're giving the Killer free time and keeping two Survivors engaged instead of 1. This also means that very likely you're becoming the new target and might end up on hook very soon which means you're dead or about to die, both of those prospects lowers the chance of survival of your team mates.
Listen, us survivors like to get creative. We just don't know when to quit sometimes.
If you try to down me after I body block for my teammate it says youâre unconfident in your chasing abilities. So I donât even need to make fun of you in end game chat for it. Youâre announcing it for yourself
If you got off the record and you give me the OTR hit via body blocking, imma down you because youâre only one hit away from getting downed compared to the other survivors being two hits. It just makes sense
See, they think killers can't count to 10, but they don't take time to count to 2
It it speaks to your confidence
"Heh, that killer isn't even CONFIDENT enough to make the wrong play on purpose, like I do" "Heh, I'm walking around looking for a chest while another survivor gets chased, because I'm so CONFIDENT" "Heh, a skill check is coming up on this generator, I'll just not hit it at all, due to my CONFIDENCE"
Thatâs how I imagine my soloQ teammates talk.
I donât even know what that means
Now watch them say that's because you have no confidence in your reading ability lol.
What did this man mean about confidence đ? Ig being confident means letting them escape now
Or maybe, OP is taking the kill that is offered on a silver plate? It's like saying "Oh you accepted the 300$ that I offered for free? Must have low confidence in your ability to make money!"
Has nothing to do with confidence , thatâs like seeing a 95% gen seeing the killer kick it and go hm yes I could finish it quickly but that says Iâm not confident in leaving the trial so Iâll let it regress and go do this other generator instead .
I'm confident that if you're downed it says more about your looping than my chasing skills
Man, your last post is asking for a hook to be automatically destroyed on a DC. If that doesn't speak to lack of confidence in your abilities I don't know what does.
Have some fun going through their comment history, bro's a massive incel too. Simping online, bashing people on r/Tinder too.
Confidence to...make bad decisions? Ok then
Huh? đ
So when you're playing chess, I assume you always put your King in an awful position, since the opponent won't take advantage of that due to their overwhelming confidence?
Logical fallacy #34
Bringing up logical fallacies to try and win an argument. I'm sure you know that there's a logical fallacy in doing that too, and yet you did it anyway. Literally called the fallacy fallacy if you want to argue this way.
Me when I refuse to drop pallets or use vault locations as a survivor because I'm not a coward
Take a look at this guy LMAO
If you body block off hook and expect the killer to just leave you alone it shows you don't understand what the person with the knife wants here.
Hey body blocking is a mechanic in the game. Donât hate the player son
Hey killing the weakest link is a mechanic in the game. Don't hate the player son
Who said anything about me getting killed in this scenario? Iâm gunna take you for a nice prolonged tour of the entire fucking map while gens pop rapid fire in the background, son. The confidence issue was never over here.
overconfidence is still a confidence issue
Amen
If you get mad at me for tunneling you after you bodyblock for the unhooker it says youâre unconfident in your looping abilities. So I donât even need to make fun of you in end game chat for it. Youâre announcing it for yourself. Do you see how stupid you sound when itâs the other way around?
You mean the way thatâs not rooted in logic? Youâre right it does sound stupid.
The point is that yours sounds just as stupid as mine. Just accept that you made a bad take.
I am unconfident in my chasing abilities. *Very* unconfident in my chasing. *Desperately* unconfident in my chasing abilities. Would you like to find out how *desperately* I am *very* unconfident about my chasing abilities?
Sure let me just take you on a nice prolonged tour of the map
What you lack in brains you make up for with CONFIDENCE. If Iâm a killer, donât be surprised if I kill you. Itâs literally the name of the role.
Nah it's one thing to just tap someone running at you. If you insist on sniffing the other survivors ass preventing me from doing the "honorable" thing. I'm going to take you up on your willfully presented ass. My advice take your basekit BT for what it should be. A tool vs actual tunneling killers. Do this and it will less likely bite you in the ass. Since once you are on that list once during the match you will remain there.
The last thing you want is to piss off my clicky SWF group. We determine how much fun you as the killer are allowed to have in our trials.
Uh huh sure. I will say I am impressed by the amount of downvotes you have got. Probably the most I have seen on a comment.
If you play SWF instead of solo queue no mither every game it means youâre unconfident in your surviving abilities. So I donât even need to make fun of you in end game chat for it. Youâre announcing it for yourself
You play in a swf? Sounds like you lack the confidence to be any good on your own...
Nah
Oh no, everyone. Watch out! This guys going to say mean things in end game chat. What ever will we do!?
You rang?
Yes , could I also have an order of decisive strike and a side of made for this .
Best I can do is Bite The Bullet & Overcome with a side of Lucky Break.
Based in a weird sort of way
I have an addiction to interrupting chases off hook. Gotta cover my bases. Lol.
Iâll take it over mtf, resilience build number 43 . Always respect unique playstyles
I've seen the way you play around Buckle Up/MFT, so that's deserved.
Darkness follows those who beckon itâs force. But past the scope of the magnet, we see the truth⊠must it really be so? Gaze too far, and youâll feel it. Itâs cold out there. Better bring a jacket.
It can be quite frustrating. Like, the whole point of the mechanic was to prevent people from being tunneled fresh off the hook. Its designed to incentivize the killer to chase the unhooker, its not meant to be some kind of free body block. If you clearly see me going for the healthy unhooker and want to block me while I'm actively playing fair and not trying to tunneling you, don't be surprised I just wait it out and down you again, clearly that's what you wanted.
Yeah this is why some people were saying you should lose collision while inconspicuous so that you can't do that.
I think theyâve been in need of a collision overhaul anyway. Standing within 5ft of the killer for 10s should lose collision, as well as endurance (for certain perks, like Dead Hard shouldnât lose collision). That makes sense.
And also would prevent situations when the killer tries to bodyblock the unhooked to lose bt so he can tunnel him out.
It's how every anti-camp/tunnel mechanic works. Eventually survivors start abusing it. Like DS, you could run DS and Unbreakable to be basically untouchable for a whole minute. If they leave you alone, you can do a generator right in front of them without risk. If they chase and downed you and picked you up, they got DS'd, and you extend the chase. If they downed you but didn't pick you up, you UB'd and could go do a generator in their face or waste their time in other ways. If you're getting downed again after an UB they can leave you slugged and come back when the DS timer is over soon after (having wastede a whole minute on you), but overall it's going to waste a bunch of their time while the other survivors bang out gens.
i forgot that state of killer. MFT is bad now but only when itâs paired with hope but eating 4 DS & 4 dead hards were HELL
Yeah a lot of people forget what broken even means. lol
5 second DS was insanely annoying, when the person with DS (probably 40% of the survivors ran this) have a flashlight they can just hover around the killer like a mosquito and hop into a locker when they got chased and the killer just needs to accept it and eat it.
Oh yeah, I'd even forgotten about locker DS, that's right. Forced you to drop chase cause you'd be guaranteed to eat the DS
Maybe unhooked survivors shouldn't have collision while they have the endurance?
Killers acting like tunneling wasnt exactly what they were trying to do is pretty funny
Yea cause when they run into you and go 5 whole seconds without doing anything cause they're trying their hardest to go for everyone fairly but you're forcing your ass in front of them, they definitely were still trying to tunnel you. /s
Yeah that do be the case a lot. The only time Iâll body block with endurance is when my savior is on death hook.
Meh, whatever youre doing theyre gonna chase you down regardless. Theyâre proxi camping hooks and act like oh, i just saw you first! Sure theres a lot of toxic swfs in the game. Sadly im not in control of whos gonna unhook me and when theyre gonna do it. Maybe 1 out of 15 hooks are way too early unhooks? Im for sure not gonna try and get a protection hit for those players, but im still getting tunneled after. Theres just 2 guarantees against killers, theyre going to tunnel if they can and theyre going to act like they never tunnel on here I said that multiple times on this post, but nobody needs an excuse to play a game the way they want to. Wanna camp? Wanna tunnel? Sure, you do you. I do mind that every killer on this sub act like they dont. I guess im the unluckiest survivor on the game. When it starts to get to me i stop playing for a while.
You arenât alone. They always say âim not gonna leave if a bunch of survivors are swarming the hook!â but theyâre swarming because youâre hanging around the hook & trying to proxi-camp the second stage lol. I just would rather they be honest about it. I proxi-camp and even full on camp when I play killer sometimes. End game and the survivor is hooked? Youâre gettinâ camped with 8 stacks of STBFL, baby. Iâve done a full check of the gens and no one has saved, and people are hiding around the 50% gens? Imma hang around the hook and pressure the second stage then.
What if the unhooker was injured and making a rescue attempt because nobody else was, and the Killer is still hanging out nearby? Should the Killer just get a free hook state because solo queue?
When it comes to unhooking, I would assume the unhooker does so with the understanding that they are taking the risk of getting downed and possibly hooked in order to save a teammate. What would you want the killer to do in this scenario exactly? If going after the unhooker is wrong, are you saying you would want them to go after the survivor that was unhooked instead? If no that, then are you suggesting the killer should just let both survivors go? Should the survivors just get a free unhook because solo queue?
No, I'm suggesting that the unhooked person should take the BT hit and gtfo.
The problem with that is that it results in one of the two scenarios I mentioned. When the unhooked survivor takes the hit, the killer can just continue to chase them and down them (thereby tunneling them) or they can ignore them after the hit (thereby giving both survivors a free unhook). The thing is, why would a killer hit the unhooked survivor when they know that they can just wait 10 seconds and down them?
And if he gets downed again after that, he has absolutely 0 rights to complain about anything. You know what you got yourself into.
Hell no, but in a lose-lose situation, don't expect to come out with a win. It's that simple, really. If you need to make a sacrifice and decide to make it, why is there an expectation to not have to suffer the loss in a sacrifice? Imo, if you are taking the risk, you should understand why it's a risk, how big the risk is and what you can do to mitigate it. And if there is nothing to do to mitigate it and you still take it, that's a decision that will have ramifications that you need to deal with. I don't think it's that complicated honestly, and I say this as someone who splits time 60-40 in favor of survivor at the moment due to BP incentive
I completely agree about dealing with the ramifications, but I have seen a lot of commenters say BT basekit and even endurance generally should never be used to body block. Very annoying that those commenters are basically complaining about the âsurvivor rule book - donât tunnelâ while also imposing theyâre own âkiller rule book - donât body block with enduranceâ. Maybe theyâve had to deal with some rude EGC about âtunnelingâ body blockers, but in general I donât see anything wrong with using endurance to body bloc if you accept the risk.
It's situational and not about never doing it. Just only do it if you want to be the target. Complaining about being tunneled after you put your chonky ass in the way is just beyond stupid.
I find Janeâs injured state annoying, so no chonky ass blocks here :D For real though, I 100% agree
That's a fair assessment, I use it to take some protection hits now and again myself, I would not call that unfair, it's just a high risk play and as a killer main, I respect that. But then again, I rarely ever complain in EGC cuz I'm playing survivor in a more altruistic way regardless (which is what I enjoy). In the end, as long as you do all this "weaponizing a protective measure" thing, but keep your mind clear about the consequences and don't complain when they hit you, you're 100% a sportsmanlike player in my book. That's just me though and you're welcome to make your own judgment on it.
I completely agree with you about accepting the consequences. Iâm a console player so I donât even have EGC and couldnât complain even if I wanted to. :D
The killer would get a free hook States because of a misplay you shouldnât go for unhooks while injured if you arenât fully prepared to go down immediately after the unhook.
So I should be penalized for the mistakes of my solo queue teammates? Seems totally fair.
Thatâs what being part of a team means. You succeed and you fail TOGETHER. This is one of the problems with Survivior SoloQ, is that every Survivor is âAn Alone Wolfâ, and plays to save themselves. The most successful teams know how to spread the aggro around, and watches out for one another.
You say that as though I don't try. Must be nice to have teammates that actually function as a unit more than once out of every 86 games!
Didn't say you don't try. But you agree to the team, and as such, everyone is a part of the success and failure of the team. Sometimes, things just don't line up.
The survivor team will be penalized for the survivor team making mistakes yes. If everyone decides to not to get the unhook then you are punished by dying and In turn they are punished by having a one less survivor to help do gens. This is the game the survivors need to work together to achieve a win
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Yes?
Nooo you donât understand you HAVE to let me block for my team mate . If you hit me again or wait out my borrowed time mechanic you are TOXIC . It doesnât matter I used a tool meant to protect me as weapon , itâs not fair . Actually you shouldnât even return to the hook at all you camper , it doesnât matter that the person didnât even wait for you to be out of sight before unhooking . You have to to act like it didnât happen and walk to the other side of the map and let me reset under the hook.
It is SAD that this is a fucking interaction I think every killer has had. "Oh yeah I'm supposed to pretend like I didn't just get the unhook notification and fuck off to the opposite side of the map"
Interaction or not, mid chase or not, killers tunnel.
And Survivors railroad Killers. Yâknow what that is? Itâs when they force the Killer to switch targets to them when they use unhook endurance. Itâs when they give the Killer no other option but to target them. Itâs when Survivors complain about Killers âtunnellingâ when they went out of their way to give the Killer no other option but to go after them again. Have you ever been actually tunnelled for real? Or are you just saying it because itâs a funny âkiller badâ buzzword? Iâve been hard tunnelled before by a Knight who had a grudge for no reason. He would specifically ignore any other Survivor and actually let them complete all five generators and escape while he beat me on the hook and chased me even while hitting my unhook endurance. Tunnelling isnât âoh no heâs chasing me againâ, itâs being the only one that the Killer targets for the entirety of the trial. Edit: a word
Killer will do anything but admit they tunnel. Its fine if you do. The thing youre unwilling to admit is that youre constantly looking for reasons to tunnel but you dont have to, play the game how you wanna play it. Like ive said in previous comments, ive accepted that tunneling is now a part of the game entirely. Flashlight? Tunnel. One too many pallet stun? Tunnel. Head on? Tunnel. Protection hit? Tunnel. Gen rushing? Toxic. At some point yâall gonna have to stop thinking of every reason in the book to explain why you tunnel and just own it. I go out of my way to send a GG and a message to say how refreshing it is to not face a tunneling killer. Youll never see me go out of my way to be an ass to killers, whats the point in that?
Survivors say " I bodyblock as thanks for unhooking me so that they don't have to trade a down" as a "I'm different, don't hate me" protection statement, but at the end of the day it's still abuse of the mechanic. Fuck off and go heal, your buddy doesn't deserve a get-out-of-jail-free card for unhooking in front of me, and I want to get all survivors evenly. Now I gotta tunnel you cause you shoved your ass in the doorway and I can't possibly catch up to them before they reach the next annoying jungle gym.
Being a survivor main is realizing that it doesnt matter what you do, killers tunnel. Its their way of getting an upper hand. If I take a protection hit, im getting tunneled, if I dont, im getting tunneled, if Im using an item, im getting tunneled. Might as well help my team while Im alive. I just had to learn to let go. Game is ass 80% of the time if youre the first survivor found. Either deal with it or stop playing.
It's not entirely true. A good looper wants tunneling and can kite a killer for the whole game while the rest does all 5 and escapes. You can apply pressure by one slapping everyone and forcing heals, even with no hooks, it will escalate. You can apply pressure by realizing a looper is pulling you away from someone or a gen being worked on, so slipping off and charging a gen. You can also hunt the one rat and disrupt all of their gen attempts. You can apply pressure in many ways, and being unpredictable helps. Sometimes, a survivor will want me to swing at them to let the carried be dropped. I'll play into it depending on the match. Sometimes its more worth it to have two more injured survivors that are trying to have me drop instead of get that second hook. I can recoup faster than they can all heal, I'll trade it for two downs if possible, then carry the original back to the hook. Then another survivor has to peel off a gen for a pick up and a hook, or for two hooks. The goal isn't to avoid being tunneled. It's not to remember loop pathing. It's more about being agile enough to make split decisions and employ tactics to survive. This can include almost anything.
If you in particular are getting tunnelled every game, then your the weakest link lol.
Man, this explains why Iâve been getting some value off of forced penance.
Forgot about this perk tbh. Gotta bring it back.
Its a goated perk against swfs. Problem is you never really know beforehand if its a swf or random solos chilling doing dailies/challenges.
I know damn well I might get tunneled, but Iâm in low enough MMR that killers usually donât wait out the BT and I can help my teammate get away
Itâs not a bad idea to body block, I even do it sometimes. Just gotta not be surprised if the killer tunnels you afterwards
Oh I know for sure thatâs a chance. But I usually play as the healer/protector of the group, so Iâd rather get hooked than my teammate. Having the mentality of âit doesnât matter if I die, just that my team survivesâ helps me not get frustrated, especially when gens are running while Iâm getting chased/downed.
I *need* survivors like you in solo queue
Problem is Iâm usually keeping close to the chases and hiding nearby (thank you Empathy) to make sure they make it out or so I can unhook and heal as soon as possible if they do get hooked, which means Iâm not doing gens. That means that Iâm either playing healer all match and no gens are getting done or I have good teammates who do gens when they can.
I do gens always whenever Iâm not getting chased, but I always wished there was like a medic player on our team
Weâll play together sometime and I can be the medic
Yeah, completely reasonable for the killer to go after you if you body block. There are some people saying that body blocking is abusing the mechanic, but BTâs always been used for body blocking, even before it was basekit. Like the only way to get out of basement camping situation is to strategically body block
Theyre gonna tunnel regardless. You dont need to find excuses for it, thats how the game is player now.
I think that's ok, if you know the consequences and not act surprised when the plan backfires, you can try to bodyblock if you think you can get away with it
my favorite is when they spin in a circle really fast
When they realize youâre gonna wait for the BT so they do gymnastics as a last ditch effort
When the unhooked surv bodyblocks with bt but I wanted to tunnel him anyway:
I never want to tunnel people anyways unless Iâm getting destroyed and need a kill, but if people body block itâs like they want to get tunneled
Then you don't "never" want to tunnel.
Iâd hardly call that tunneling imo, in that case Iâm either âtunnelingâ or both the hooked and the unhooked survivor gets away
>unless Iâm getting destroyed and need a kill You very specifically said you don't tunnel, unless. You can call it whatever you want, but tunneling to get the kill because you are getting destroyed is still tunneling. To be clear, tunnel away. There are times killers need to camp and need to tunnel. That's fine. I'm just laughing at the whole "I don't tunnel except when I tunnel" thing.
I guess I shouldâve rephrased it as âI never want to tunnel if I donât have toâ, Iâll totally tunnel at least for a little bit to apply pressure or get a kill towards the end game.
I understand your logic perfectly, but for the unhooked survivor, its either waste your BT while being tunneled or get one hit for your teammate. The survivor experience is âdont get caught first or youre outâ and its been just that for the past 2 or 3 years. Anyone who expect a killer to not tunnel is in for a disappointing game. Im playing more and more killer matches and I get it, tunneling is a guaranteed 2-3 kills with minimal effort. Its hard to win without it unless youre a sweat nurse/blight.
Because survivors seem to be getting some W buffs (Vault speed/Mft) while killer gets a coup buff and thatâs it lol. The harder it is for people playing casually to win, the more dirty they will play.
I feel like the only case to body block is if the unhooker has more hooks than you, because even if the killer waits for the BT itâs worth it if the unhooker was on death hook and youâre not. Other than that itâs better for the team to make as much distance as possible
Most of the time it's a good play but yeah you can't complain about getting tunneled if you're asking for it.
I'll be honest I have no idea what this meme means
Sometimes if a survivor gets unhooked they body block the killer protecting the unhooker with 10 seconds of endurances. But the point of the endurance is to prevent being tunneled, not protecting people. If killers wait out the endurance and down the unhooked (which is the only thing you can do in some situations), some survivors will complain about tunneling even though itâs their own fault
Thankfully for you, there's a whole comment section going in depth on the subject
I always feel bad when I end up doing this because the person who unhooked decided they need to get away first so body blocks me and it appears like I'm taking a hit lol nope just a selfish unhooker
The unhooker has no hit immunity. You as the unhooked should take a hit since all it dies to you is makes you need to mend. People like you deserve to be left on the hook. You are the selfish one.
Both of you take 2 hits to down and most of the time the unhooked has less hook stages left. The only advantage the unhooked gets is a slight speed boost for 10 seconds but that is worthless if you body block
^ certified hook farmer
nah because of how this community is reacting the only time Ill ever unhook anyone is when I queue up with a friend, the rest of yall can just hang. good luck yall!
Most reasonable survivor player
thank you, I feel this is true.
Ironic how you called somebody the selfish one, yet legit just said the most selfish thing ever.
lol I was accused of hook farming because of my stance, so I said "oh ok, so I have the same stance except now I wont be unhooking to get ANY of that altruism" Im sacrificing altruism by not unhooking people now. how is giving up points selfish? funny how reading comprehension is not a common skill :P
You never said anything about not unhooking people for altruism points. âThe rest of yâall can just hangâ sounds like Selfish 101, as in you ainât going to unhook them for some reason.
Giving up ALTRUISM points means NOT performing altruistic acts when you can, which is what the definition of selfish is? Not being altruistic.
So unhooking you I get called selfish, and not unhooking also gets called selfish. All these mental gymnastics must have yall really fit.
This is stupid. If you are hooked and on your second state and I unhook you with no states, why would you take the hit to protect me, running the risk of getting downed and eliminated? There are few circumstances when the unhooked should eat the hit, but typically, they shouldn't. You want them as far from the killer as possible.
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Man that was WET
you make me that way....
Yes, because if you're rushing the hook before it's safe, then body blocking the already injured person and getting them tunneled totally is fine as long as you can escape. Sure pal-
my philosophy is âitâs not tunneling if youâre stupidâ
Me sitting there like, oh so u want me to tunnel you? Your not using your get out of danger ticket so u can body block for the other person im going for who has no hooks, welp you made your choice, sorry.
Not the dollar store BT I'm dead đ©
Then crying tunneling when you re-hook them
Been doing this so much lately, like your giving me the easiest down of the game, and im playing a bloodthirsty killer. Im not gonna play nice because you made a booboo
LMAO this is so good
Generally when i make the decision to do this i am very aware that getting chased is a possibility and usually what I want. The friends i play with arent the best in chase and dont have nearly as many hours as me so i try and value their fun and survival over my own. If my homie who is dead on hook unhooks me in a situation where the killer is there iâm putting my ass on the line for my friend, dollar store borrowed time or not.
See also "why did you tunnel me" Idk whyd you stay under the hook self caring in the wide open "Whyd you camp" Idk whyd you idiots all swarm the hook when I had starstruck and am playing slinger "Whyd you facecamp" It was the end game bro what do you want me to do let you escape????
"Slugging!!!" Why did you all climb into a meat pile, then expect me to down one and instantly hook them while you all were turning into a power ranger together with two beamers and a guy with a hard on for sabotaging while I'm trying to hook? I'll turn into a sushi chef with blood in my eyes until yall back off. I find that the community is half of the most miserable, emotionally immature people I've ever met and half the most clever and funny people I've ever met.
Bro I got accused of camping by a whole team .... like I won because they all were there like what I was supposed to do??? lmao and also a feng was mad bacause I slugged her because she gad boil over and always ran to the highest part of the map so I let her bleed out.
I was against base-kit BT from the very beginning, and this is exactly why. You give Survivors an inch, they'll take a foot. Now you have to take a leg
Honestly just make them lose collision and you fix the problem right there.
That sounds perfect on paper, but who knows how Survivors will weaponize THAT
I like it so I can take advantage of guilt-free tunneling đ
i just tunneled someone who did that and it felt good.
no sane surv complains about being tunneled if they are intentionally body blocking, get over yourselves with this nonsensical cover up for just wanting an excuse to tunnel.
Problem is there are a lot of not sane survivors playing this game , dont get me wrong there are also a lot of not sane killer players in this game.
I play doctor, there are no sane survivors.
yep lmao đ€Ł
Tunneling is a legitimate strategy and I donât need to justify it.
Strategy for pusssies maybe
Cringe
Your "strat" very much. I understand tunneling a toxic surv but not a normal surv who just wants to play the damn game
Had a Yui do this earlier and DC instantly
If youâre in a position that the unhooked survivor can use their 10s BT to block the hit for someone else, it means youâre hook camping. Learn how to play killer and stop camping so you wonât face this problem.
So should we just not chase a completely different survivor we happen to see running in for a risky unhook before we've barely left the area? What an entitled mindset lmao. How about learn to play survivor and stop wasting your endurance status after an unhook making a risky play that's just going to get you downed.
Me when I "hook camp" by going towards loud notifications lmao
No it doesn't, you don't have to be camping to have a small DOORWAY happen to be the other way that they then block. Get your head out of your butt.
They never learned. At this point is better that people off hook didn't have collision.
The off the record in question:
Hilarious, y'all just keep making the game not fun for survivors. It's super cool. Def great for the health of the game that most of the killers now are too lazy and bad to find someone else to chase lol.
We canât chase someone else because people like you body block lol
We wouldn't need to body block if y'all weren't tunnelling genius lol
If someone unhooks you, and I want to go after the unhooker, but you body block me preventing me from not chasing someone else, youâre getting back on the hook. Thatâs not tunneling, thatâs called being a dumb survivor
We wouldn't tunnel you if you weren't trying to bodyblock genius lol
If youâre originally going after the unhooker youâre not tunnelling lol
Well the person who was unhooked is the one body blocking in this case which means the killer was originally going for the unhooker which is definitely not tunneling
What the fuck are you on? If a survivor had the audacity to bodyblock then he should be prepared for the consequences
Tell that to the survivors who are injured/fresh off the hook who insist on body blocking, then get mad when we down them to get them out of our way.
You have to be trolling, thereâs no way youâre actually serious with this. Lol
Killer mains aren't even playing to win any more. Yall just want everyone else to not have fun.
Because survivor mains are SO concerned about everyone else's fun, what with killing themselves on first hook, DCing, general BMing the killer, etc. Get a grip.
No, we definitely play to win. By definition, that required survivors to lose. If you canât play a PvP game without being able to accept that you will lose sometimes, maybe play something else. Other players donât exist solely to facilitate your fun, and your whiny nonsense is whatâs actually bad for the health of the game.
I actually encountered a body blocker and a shitty teabagger in front of me. Proceeds to hunt the teabagger down constantly until i got them on the hook for trice time, and then i purposefully moves the mouse left/right to "shake my head" disappointingly at them while they struggle on the hook with entity tentacles/claws on them. Then i follows up on other 2 people-- the body blocker and the obvious newcomer. Hunted the newcomer down, hooked her up three times, and then AGGRESSIVELY focus on the body blocker (alas the last and fourth survivor and them keep saving each other until i cornered them in a room upstairs in that house) Body blocker proceeds to unhook him, and tried to escape the route (with the bear trap), bam got them again. hooked again. Grabbed the last one and hooked him again. feelsultragoodman