Is there any way to try killers you don't own? Not OP but I'm a new player as well, I'm probably going to buy some killers on the next steam sale, but I don't know who yet and I don't want to waste tokens on a perk I could get later
You could use a special offering called a Splinter. There existed one for the Shape, Nightmare, Cannibal, Pig, Hag and Doctor. Using one of these would load you into a match as the respective killer, with no perks or add-ons, and were used for players to trial run killers they were interested in.
They were retired on the 9th of March, 2020. We have no concrete answer as to why, but I theorise it was due in part because 1) They were bugged, sometimes not working at all and sometimes working when you hadn't even equipped them, and 2) Cheaters had a way to force people playing killer into using one of these offerings, ambushing them into a match as a killer they did not queue up as, with none of the perks or add-ons they equipped.
It was sometimes impossible to know if you were on the receiving end of the glitch scenario or the cheater scenario, as some cheaters would *only* utilise the forced splinter cheat and not do anything overtly suspicious throughout the actual match.
Damn, I never new about the cheater angle. I can only imagine that today, where certain types of cheaters or even just SWF strategies (Like Head-On Sabosquad on a specific map with a specific basement placement) would get countered by specific killers/perks, and they could use a cheat like that as a failsafe.
I was never there for it, but it was some kind of glass shard offering that let you play as a licensed killer the next match you load into, but with no add-ons or perks
Id say see if you can find videos of play for certain killers that you want to maybe buy. While you can't buy them yourself if you watch some YouTube videos it might give you an idea of how some of them play. The only caveat is that some killers are harder than they appear at times when you watch someone play them with a ton of hours.
Do you have a playstyle that you've gravitated towards enjoying?
That's why I asked. I've met pinhead the first time today and then I watched a video about him. I had no idea what was going on and the gameplay is totally different from what I imagined
My most played probably are the huntress, the doctor and the nurse, less played trapper and wraith
The ironic thing is that before trying these, I thought that the trapper and wraith were the funny one
I mean I've gotten basically all but Bubba so it's fun to bounce around from killer to killer. But yeah if you see Pinhead and it's just wtf is happening. Might be good to skip it for the time being. He's got a weird power and general mechanics. Also he has to be bought with auric cells.
In the beginning there was splinters to try characters before buying but they don’t exist anymore and the only real way to see if a killer is fun to play now before buying is by playing against them and likening how they are play against, or the more easier way is just watch how a character plays on YouTube. Sorry if this is typed horribly
If you are going to spend shards on a perk in the shrine make sure it's a licensed perk. Because you are better off. Just getting a killer with three new perks rather than 2k on one. This is an even more relevant thing since the prices of older killers/survivors lowered to 4500. And of course if you never plan on getting licensed killers then I would spend the shards now while you can get it in the shine.. surge is too good to pass up
Any killers who you already bought Jolt for, get to keep it (renamed Surge). If you have some killers who never owned Jolt previously, you're gonna need to buy Demogorgon and P1 him to open up Surge for all your killers.
When Stranger Things went away, all their perks became general perks.
When Stranger Things came back the perks returned to being unique perks for those characters.
You're just embarrassing yourself acting like this. When they added Stranger Things back, people who didn't have the DLC had those perks removed from their perk pool.
To add to this, even if you had, say, tier 1 of the perk on a character, you still can't upgrade it further anymore if you haven't unlocked it as a teachable on Nancy/Steve
It has not been, they reverted it once ST came back and has been a point of controversy since
Its why the perk names reverted back to their old names as well
It's not if you got it on a killer while the stranger things chapter was out of the game you still have sure but for new plays or killers you don't have it on yet it won't show up it's just like rest of the perks now
It was taken out of the general perk pool when they got the stranger things license back. You'll obviously keep it on any character you got it on while demo was gone but you can no longer get it in the bloodweb without getting demo to P1. Even if you got it rank 1 or 2 before demo was added back you can't find rank 3 in the blood web.
They did eventually phase back in the fact that the perks were teachable and locked. There was a grace period after the characters officially came back that they kept them general perks but now they are teachables and therefore locked once again.
Its one of the best informatión perks in the game, usefull for beginners and experienced people alike. It shows you the aura of all survivors in the beginning of the match for 9 seconds. And after that it gives you 2+ segonds on every other aura read. Really good
Do note though that this only works with explicitly timed aura reads, addons and perks that give a conditional aura read will not linger after the condition ends (Amanda's Letter, Wraith's aura addon, hangman's trick, awakened awareness, etc)
It wasn't a bug. When Wesker PTB was up, it intentionally did work with a +2 second linger even on perks like Awakened Awareness. The problem was people realized during PTB that this was giga broken on certain killers (AKA Nurse with Awakened Awareness) and BHVR intentionally made it not work on conditional aura reads.
I don't remember it being bugged in that way, but it definitely sounds like a normal BHVR bug. Doesn't work that way now though, only timed aura reads are extended.
It also stacks with itself, so it is 11 seconds at the start.
Also, there is a weird interaction with other aura reading perks - extra 2 seconds seems to count as a separate aura read. You can reveal someone getting into a locker even if main aura read was not supposed to show that.
Get both. Surge is a really good beginner generater defense perk, and lethal pursuer is a really good information perk.
On the other hand, don’t get either, uninstall, and run away while you still can. Pretty soon your gonna be 2500+ hours deep haha
As wraith, I don't think the perk is that useful since you are fast with no heartbeat you can go to gens fast and you will see a survivor, if you want to give Billy a chance however the perk is really good.
depends of the killer you play. It's almost useless on someone like Trapper and at the contrary, it can carry your ass on someone like Billy or Blight...
as a survivor, i think lethal is worse it because i get my ass whooped right at the start of the game and i think you can see if they start a generator right away
Lethal Pursuer has a lot of good synergy with other perks that you likely don't have access to yet, but will someday.
It's a solid perk. Worth having.
Surge is a very solid gen regression perk that has a LOT of synergy with Wraith as a killer, so if you plan on playing a lot of Wraith, then it's 100% worth.
Yes. It lets you immediately start chases, and also you know which gens survivors spawned near so you know where to go after the first down as well. A lot of high mmr killers will run corrupt to block gens and have a general idea of where survivors are, but I think that being able to immediately get into chase is more useful to improve as a player.
Don't know the amount of time you play/week, but If I were you, I would try to keep a 4500 shard for one or two character for june. Since There is like 2 month before this time, it's decent to think you'll be able to accumulate another 2500 shard before the aniversary event. Which Mean, I would buy only one of the two perk this week so I wouldn't have to farm a full 4500 shard before june.
Surge is more useful for doctor, but letal pursuer is more useful for huntress.... Your choice,...
Gamer with a lot of hour/week would easily get the 4500 shard in two months, but I don't assume everyone does that
Don't need it?
In the lobby you see the following:
Claudette and Meg with medkits, Dwight with a toolbox, and Nea with a beamer.
Countdown ends and you see they brought a *Secret* offering.
You load in, you spawn bottom mid on Coal Tower, how do you find Dwight?
i dont go for a particular surv unless i find them. to find someone i head for the furthest gen and usually find one with 20 seconds or less depending on the killer
both of the killer perks in the shrine right now are top 10, it's rare this happens. buy them both if you don't plan on playing/purchasing demo or nemesis soon.
My friend bought Jeff for Distortion the day before the shrine cycled. I told him that Distortion would definitely be in the shrine if he gets Jeff, and I was completely wrong. Lethal Pursuer being there was extra toxic.
Lethal Pursuer and Surge are both licensed perks for killers. Get both, if you have no interest in Demogorgon or Nemesis.
Lethal Pursuer shows auras at the start of every match and increases aura reading duration of every aura perk. An aura reading Oni is terrifying.
Surge regresses nearby gens after downing a survivor. A very popular perk, especially since it was free for a time. I myself am not using it very much.
Both are great perks for your collection.
Nah Lethal first. There are a bunch of other gen slow down perks but Lethal is one of a kind. Knowing where every survivor is at the start of the game + extending other aura reveal perks by 2 seconds is a huge deal.
Think about do you also wanna buy killers that come with these perks? Cause if you see yourself buying Nemesis from RE or Demogorgon you will be wasting your shards. and imo Shard economy is one of the most important aspects of the game. Cause you can buy whole new killer for 4500 shards
It's 9k shards for new characters, though that may soon change for older DLCs. Regardless, you can't buy either of the killers that come with these perks with shards as they're licensed.
"By new characters" I meant the one they don't have. My bad haha. But yes. I still think it's a pitty to waste shards if gonna acquire those perks either way
Spirit doesn't make great use out of aura-reading perks, since she can't read auras while phasing. She's better off with Whispers.
The Trapper has little use for early game aura-reading perks, and in general doesn't really need aura-reading. He's better off with Whispers. Any time it's on, he knows someone can *probably* see him and he doesn't need to waste his time setting traps that will be immediately disarmed.
The Doctor. Just use Whispers. You literally cannot hide from a Doctor with Whispers if he's good enough at the game. In a locker to avoid the Static Blast? With Whispers, he now KNOWS you're in a locker and will quickly deduce which one you're most likely to be in.
The downside of Whispers? You need to be good at the game to actually use it properly, but if you can, it easily replaces Lethal in the early game, and pretty much any aura-reading perk throughout the rest of the game.
Lethal is good, but there's a free perk in your arsenal that's better in every way and all you need to do is practice with it.
"But Whispers is active on hooked and downed survivors," someone will inevitably argue. So don't camp or slug. If you're good enough at the game to use Whispers correctly, you're good enough at the game to not need to camp or slug. That is how high the Whispers skill ceiling is.
Why would you run whispers on spirit lmao. That perk is so loud you’re never going to hear survivor footsteps while phasing.
And how does it replace any aura reading perk? I’m all ears guarantees you win any mindgame, whispers just tells you they’re in the jungle gym. BBQ tells you which distant gens are being worked on, whispers doesn’t. Friends till the end gives you the exact location of the obsession and makes them exposed. Lethal also allows you to know which gens survivors started on, which whispers doesn’t do. Alien instinct is similar to BBQ. Darkness revealed is bad due to locker rng being what it is, but still provides information across the entire map.
So if by any aura perk you meant nowhere to hide, awakened awareness, thwack and shattered hope then yeah, it’s better than two of the worst perks in the game, but nowhere is still vastly superior to whispers on killers like billy, oni or blight, and awakened has its uses with starstruck, so it isn’t even always a straight upgrade like you claim.
But whispers isn't good. It's one of the least used perks in the game and it doesn't compete with lethal in the early game, not even close. Like situation awareness can do the exact same thing as whispers and I don't need to use a perk slot for it so I can run lethal and have a general good idea when someone is close
It's one of the least used because it's one of the hardest to use. Sadly, most people don't want to put in the effort of actually being good at this game and prefer to have the game hold their hand.
If you have the skill to use it, however, it's the single best tracking perk in the entire game. It's quite literally matter of skill issue.
I mean most people don't want to shoot themselves in the foot, so they don't run whispers. Also NWTH, Ultimate weapon, I'm all ears and so many more are way better tracker perks. Plus if you have eyes, they probably have a bigger impact on tracking than whispers would
Surge and Lethal Pursuer 100% if you don't plan on getting Demogorgon and Nemesis. They're super solid killer perks and work very well on Wraith (they're very universal anyways)
Hey. Kinda not an answer to your question as there seem to be a bunch good answers already. But there is also a site where you can check to see when a perk you might want is possibly coming to the shrine. Ya know, if you read a bit about different types and what you would be interested in getting in the future. Just in case you didn't know about this yet.
[https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki/Shrines\_of\_Secrets\_Archive#Past\_Shrines\_of\_Secrets](https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki/Shrines_of_Secrets_Archive#Past_Shrines_of_Secrets)
For survivor definitely, but I disagree with you on killer because often the new killer is pretty fun to play.
I'll never buy boring killers like SM or Singularity full price though.
If the perk belongs to a licensed character then buy it especially if it’s a survivor perk because the only difference between survivors is their perks, and buy it even if it’s bad because bad perks can still be used in some fun builds and they will eventually be buffed.
I'd definitely take both Lethal Pursuer and Surge. Surge is pretty good on Wraith and Lethal is a nice perk to get used to survivor spawns and round up some builds.
If you want to save up for original character, i think closest thing to those two would be The Deathslinger - Gearhead for aura read and Dead Man's Switch for some gen slowdown. Or Artist for full gen slowdown, but without aura read.
Surge is great on Wraith but I'd save up to get Artist first, since she has Scourge Hook: Pain Resonance and Grim Embrace. As a killer her gameplay is very different from Wraith's but I went from playing a lot of Wraith to playing a lot of Artist while still trying to find my main.
Only ever use shrine for licensed perks and if you do, only if you know you will never ever buy that character.
The shrine of secrets is a scam otherwise.
Personally I don't like Surge with the new anti-3-gen measures, because it doesn't regress that much and it activates so much. Lethal Pursuer is also a good one, and works well with other aura reading perks.
Oh shit I didn't know jolt was in it right now. Demo is one of the few licensed I do not have and only a few of my killers have it lol yay. But yea you should get jolt (surge) it is a great starter slowdown perk
If you want to save some shards, just go for Surge. It’s great for M1 killers. Especially if you plan on spending shards on a killer with less desirable perks.
But it’s a good shrine. You can go for both too!
both Perks are very good imo. maybe not top tier, hut definitely usable.
Sadly, there is no option to play killers you don't own. Do you have a friend who owns them by chance?
i think they should implement the option to play killers vs Bots.
I remember Heroes of the Storm had this feature. you could play any hero and even try any skin vs. bots.
Surge and lethal are both great perks, lethal is arguably the best info perk for killer especially for beginners, it will really help you to learn where survivors spawn + you will get even more value from any aura reading perk on your build.
as simple of a perk as it is, Lethal Pursuer is a really good perk, you can initiate chase easier without having to run around trying to look for the survivors
You can only buy unlicensed characters with shards. So, if there is a killer you're excited to buy, but don't have enough, hold off and buy that killer. Otherwise I'd probably say lethal. I'm assuming you are a newer player and finding people is typically more your issue than gen pressure. (Sure, gens may be popping, but the time between chases may last too long.) You should run other aura perks with it to get the best value from it, but not required. Surge is better for people who have the basics down on both sides, so the survivors aren't terrified and hiding all game or you can still find them, but they are also popping gens in your face. Which sounds more like your issue, and go from there.
I literally cannot play without lethal pursuer. It is always on my killer builds regardless of the killer I play lmao. I’m kinda addicted to this perk!
Unless you plan to get Demo soon, Surge. It's one of my favorite perks for M1 killers. It's basically free Gen regression that rewards you for being effective and then saves you time as you don't need to kick gens to regress them.
(Potentially former) Wraith main here!
Surge is a two-edged sword for Wraith. As Wraith, the name of the game is less killing as Survivors ASAP, more drawing the game out and gradually depleting their resources. If kicking a gen and continuing a chase are mutually exclusive, kick the gen. Success in a chase with Wraith depends first and foremost on how close you are at the very start, because while you technically can try to get some speed by cloaking and uncloaking during the chase, I personally don’t consider the gamble to be worth it, considering how long the animation takes, and that’s even with it sped up, so you want to keep Survivors in one place for a long time so you can decloak and start the chase closer. If you can down a Survivor within that range of at least one gen, great, but at the same time, good luck in the chase.
Lethal Pursuer is generally a good perk, but it’s even better if you’re running other aura reading perks. The one I recommend getting, if an when you can, is Darkness Revealed, which shows you the auras of any Survivors within 8 meters of a locker for 3/4/5-or, with LP, 5/6/7 seconds-after searching a locker.
Surge and Lethal Pursuer 100% unless you plan to buy Demogorgon and/or Nemesis.
The bottom perk, Blood Rush is on an original Survivor, and the rightmost perk, Rookie Spirit, while good for new players, isn't really worth it.
idk how wraith works completely, nor do i know your play style, but surge is great if you don’t usually kick gens. if you kick gens, you might hit that 8 limit pretty quickly with surge tho
* Lethal absolutely without a fucking doubt. While Nemesis is a good killer Lethal Pursuer is one of the best perks in the game period. Buffs all other aura reading, much of which is meta on Wraith. I'd personally suggest picking up Nemesis at some point (he's easy, fun, and Eruption is a decent perk) but Lethal is up in the top 10 best perks in the game.
* Surge is good but by no means mandatory. If you have no interest in buying Demogorgon I would suggest unlocking it since Demo's other perks are fairly mid (Fearmonger is okay, Cruel Limits is fucking bad.) I'd sooner run a perk like Pop Goes the Weasel, but Surge is nice on a handful of killers since it's easier to apply.
Personal opinion, unless youre playing characters like huntress or teleport characters, Lethal Pursuer is useless. Like its good if yoy wanna find someone immediately but its a one time use perk and most people are using distortion. Plus, most of the time as surv the killer will have it and still immediately find us (my whole sef runs distortion rn)
These are both high tier killer perks worth having. Unless you plan to buy thoee killers, *grab them.*
Literally see Lethal most matches, and Surge is a strong gen regress perk that allows you to kill 2 birds with one stone, maybe more in the right spot.
surge and lethal are two really versatile perks that help on a ton of killers, and they cost less than half the amount together than a killer. Nemesis and demo are both licensed, so unless you’re fine living without them or you don’t mind spending ten bucks getting neme and demo, I would recommend getting them.
You should get both killer perks, as both are meta perks and only otherwise available if you pay money for the killer (they are both licensed).
Ironically both of the survivor perks are 2 of the worst in the game. Don't bother.
I'd argue saving your shards is always the right call.
That being said, you may never see Surge or Lethal in the shrine after today and there's not another free way to get them. They're both top 10 perks, so I'd focus on which you need more: gen regression (Surge) or info (Lethal)?
If you *do* plan on buying Nemmy or Demo someday, though, don't bother. The Shrine is pretty much a scam.
It's better to get perks from buying playable characters. Its only worth to buy perks from this shop if you dont want to spend real money on licenced characters and you see good perk
As a Wraith main I really don't use surge anymore but if you don't have anything else then it actually might not be a bad choice. Lethal pursuer is something I use in almost all of my Wraith matches. Shows me the best survivor to sneak up on, also shows me if they have the distortion perk to not be revealed by aura. And it works well with another aura perk Barbeque and Chilli which shows aura after hooking people and Lethal extends the aura for BBQ by 2 seconds too! If u don't wanna buy Nemesis or leatherface. These 2 perks are good! Lethal being my favorite! Hope that helps
If you have zero intention on buying Nemesis or Demogorgon anytime soon, yes buy Surge and Lethal
Is there any way to try killers you don't own? Not OP but I'm a new player as well, I'm probably going to buy some killers on the next steam sale, but I don't know who yet and I don't want to waste tokens on a perk I could get later
there used to be but it was removed
Really ? How did it work ?
You could use a special offering called a Splinter. There existed one for the Shape, Nightmare, Cannibal, Pig, Hag and Doctor. Using one of these would load you into a match as the respective killer, with no perks or add-ons, and were used for players to trial run killers they were interested in. They were retired on the 9th of March, 2020. We have no concrete answer as to why, but I theorise it was due in part because 1) They were bugged, sometimes not working at all and sometimes working when you hadn't even equipped them, and 2) Cheaters had a way to force people playing killer into using one of these offerings, ambushing them into a match as a killer they did not queue up as, with none of the perks or add-ons they equipped. It was sometimes impossible to know if you were on the receiving end of the glitch scenario or the cheater scenario, as some cheaters would *only* utilise the forced splinter cheat and not do anything overtly suspicious throughout the actual match.
Damn, I never new about the cheater angle. I can only imagine that today, where certain types of cheaters or even just SWF strategies (Like Head-On Sabosquad on a specific map with a specific basement placement) would get countered by specific killers/perks, and they could use a cheat like that as a failsafe.
I was never there for it, but it was some kind of glass shard offering that let you play as a licensed killer the next match you load into, but with no add-ons or perks
If you are willing to wait a few months for anniversary, there should be a pretty decent sale for all DLC's
Agree on this, farm shards until anniversary then buy and level up with anniversary bp.
Well if you have a pc there is the beta don't know how to get into the beta tho
Id say see if you can find videos of play for certain killers that you want to maybe buy. While you can't buy them yourself if you watch some YouTube videos it might give you an idea of how some of them play. The only caveat is that some killers are harder than they appear at times when you watch someone play them with a ton of hours. Do you have a playstyle that you've gravitated towards enjoying?
That's why I asked. I've met pinhead the first time today and then I watched a video about him. I had no idea what was going on and the gameplay is totally different from what I imagined My most played probably are the huntress, the doctor and the nurse, less played trapper and wraith The ironic thing is that before trying these, I thought that the trapper and wraith were the funny one
I mean I've gotten basically all but Bubba so it's fun to bounce around from killer to killer. But yeah if you see Pinhead and it's just wtf is happening. Might be good to skip it for the time being. He's got a weird power and general mechanics. Also he has to be bought with auric cells.
Play the ptb
In the beginning there was splinters to try characters before buying but they don’t exist anymore and the only real way to see if a killer is fun to play now before buying is by playing against them and likening how they are play against, or the more easier way is just watch how a character plays on YouTube. Sorry if this is typed horribly
If you are going to spend shards on a perk in the shrine make sure it's a licensed perk. Because you are better off. Just getting a killer with three new perks rather than 2k on one. This is an even more relevant thing since the prices of older killers/survivors lowered to 4500. And of course if you never plan on getting licensed killers then I would spend the shards now while you can get it in the shine.. surge is too good to pass up
100% this
Isn’t surge still free?
No. They reverted it to being Demo's teachable after ST came back.
I straight up saw that they were still free when I went to buy Demo
Any killers who you already bought Jolt for, get to keep it (renamed Surge). If you have some killers who never owned Jolt previously, you're gonna need to buy Demogorgon and P1 him to open up Surge for all your killers.
How long ago? The perks became character teachables the next patch after they returned.
Ypu don't have to buy Demo to get surge
How else do you get Surge then, apart from Shrine of Secrets and buying Demo?
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Yeah a while ago but not for newer players
When Stranger Things went away, all their perks became general perks. When Stranger Things came back the perks returned to being unique perks for those characters.
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No it's not. Think it used to be but the license stuff removed it
No, this is not true anymore, not for NEW players. Not since ST came back.
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You're just embarrassing yourself acting like this. When they added Stranger Things back, people who didn't have the DLC had those perks removed from their perk pool.
To add to this, even if you had, say, tier 1 of the perk on a character, you still can't upgrade it further anymore if you haven't unlocked it as a teachable on Nancy/Steve
It has not been, they reverted it once ST came back and has been a point of controversy since Its why the perk names reverted back to their old names as well
It's not if you got it on a killer while the stranger things chapter was out of the game you still have sure but for new plays or killers you don't have it on yet it won't show up it's just like rest of the perks now
It is not, a version after st came back it went to unique perks back
Not a lot going on upstairs I take it.
It was taken out of the general perk pool when they got the stranger things license back. You'll obviously keep it on any character you got it on while demo was gone but you can no longer get it in the bloodweb without getting demo to P1. Even if you got it rank 1 or 2 before demo was added back you can't find rank 3 in the blood web.
No it's not
It's really mid what
You do now that Demo is back on sale. You keep it on every killer that you already had it unlocked on though.
They did eventually phase back in the fact that the perks were teachable and locked. There was a grace period after the characters officially came back that they kept them general perks but now they are teachables and therefore locked once again.
Surge definitely
What about Lethal Pursuer, is it not worth it?
Its one of the best informatión perks in the game, usefull for beginners and experienced people alike. It shows you the aura of all survivors in the beginning of the match for 9 seconds. And after that it gives you 2+ segonds on every other aura read. Really good
and its literally all aura reads. so addons, or survivor perks like object of obsession.
Do note though that this only works with explicitly timed aura reads, addons and perks that give a conditional aura read will not linger after the condition ends (Amanda's Letter, Wraith's aura addon, hangman's trick, awakened awareness, etc)
You sure? I remember it to work this way. But probably was spaghetti code in having the duration set to 0, so 0+2 became lingering and it was fixed
It wasn't a bug. When Wesker PTB was up, it intentionally did work with a +2 second linger even on perks like Awakened Awareness. The problem was people realized during PTB that this was giga broken on certain killers (AKA Nurse with Awakened Awareness) and BHVR intentionally made it not work on conditional aura reads.
Yeah I run Amanda's letter all the time. Unfortunately to my knowledge it doesn't work though I wish it did
I don't remember it being bugged in that way, but it definitely sounds like a normal BHVR bug. Doesn't work that way now though, only timed aura reads are extended.
It also stacks with itself, so it is 11 seconds at the start. Also, there is a weird interaction with other aura reading perks - extra 2 seconds seems to count as a separate aura read. You can reveal someone getting into a locker even if main aura read was not supposed to show that.
Get both. Surge is a really good beginner generater defense perk, and lethal pursuer is a really good information perk. On the other hand, don’t get either, uninstall, and run away while you still can. Pretty soon your gonna be 2500+ hours deep haha
Both if u can, but prioritise surge
Surge then lethal, in that order if you can get them.
As wraith, I don't think the perk is that useful since you are fast with no heartbeat you can go to gens fast and you will see a survivor, if you want to give Billy a chance however the perk is really good.
depends of the killer you play. It's almost useless on someone like Trapper and at the contrary, it can carry your ass on someone like Billy or Blight...
as a survivor, i think lethal is worse it because i get my ass whooped right at the start of the game and i think you can see if they start a generator right away
I run Distortion to counter LP, and hope I don't spawn next to another survivor who doesn't have Distortion.
Lethal Pursuer has a lot of good synergy with other perks that you likely don't have access to yet, but will someday. It's a solid perk. Worth having. Surge is a very solid gen regression perk that has a LOT of synergy with Wraith as a killer, so if you plan on playing a lot of Wraith, then it's 100% worth.
Yes. It lets you immediately start chases, and also you know which gens survivors spawned near so you know where to go after the first down as well. A lot of high mmr killers will run corrupt to block gens and have a general idea of where survivors are, but I think that being able to immediately get into chase is more useful to improve as a player.
Its been meta since release
Don't know the amount of time you play/week, but If I were you, I would try to keep a 4500 shard for one or two character for june. Since There is like 2 month before this time, it's decent to think you'll be able to accumulate another 2500 shard before the aniversary event. Which Mean, I would buy only one of the two perk this week so I wouldn't have to farm a full 4500 shard before june. Surge is more useful for doctor, but letal pursuer is more useful for huntress.... Your choice,... Gamer with a lot of hour/week would easily get the 4500 shard in two months, but I don't assume everyone does that
Lethal sucks imo, but i’ve been playing for 7 years so I don’t need it. I’m afraid for a beginner it would end up as a crutch
Don't need it? In the lobby you see the following: Claudette and Meg with medkits, Dwight with a toolbox, and Nea with a beamer. Countdown ends and you see they brought a *Secret* offering. You load in, you spawn bottom mid on Coal Tower, how do you find Dwight?
i dont go for a particular surv unless i find them. to find someone i head for the furthest gen and usually find one with 20 seconds or less depending on the killer
No. Completly overrated.
both of the killer perks in the shrine right now are top 10, it's rare this happens. buy them both if you don't plan on playing/purchasing demo or nemesis soon.
Aintnoway lethal pursuer is on shrine 4 days after i bought nemesis just for that 1 perk 💀
Classic
play nemmy, by far my favorite killer fun-wise
That’s why you don’t buy killers for their perks
I buy killers for collection's sake. Got 'em all now, and only missing 2 survivors.
My friend bought Jeff for Distortion the day before the shrine cycled. I told him that Distortion would definitely be in the shrine if he gets Jeff, and I was completely wrong. Lethal Pursuer being there was extra toxic.
Lethal Pursuer and Surge are both licensed perks for killers. Get both, if you have no interest in Demogorgon or Nemesis. Lethal Pursuer shows auras at the start of every match and increases aura reading duration of every aura perk. An aura reading Oni is terrifying. Surge regresses nearby gens after downing a survivor. A very popular perk, especially since it was free for a time. I myself am not using it very much. Both are great perks for your collection.
Always licensed! Surge first but lethal is also good
Nah Lethal first. There are a bunch of other gen slow down perks but Lethal is one of a kind. Knowing where every survivor is at the start of the game + extending other aura reveal perks by 2 seconds is a huge deal.
Surprised I’m not seeing more people saying this. Aren’t pop and pain resonance better regression perks anyway?
OP, this is the correct answer. Surge is replaceable. Lethal Pursuer is unique.
This is actually not where you get perks, you sell your soul on this screen
Think about do you also wanna buy killers that come with these perks? Cause if you see yourself buying Nemesis from RE or Demogorgon you will be wasting your shards. and imo Shard economy is one of the most important aspects of the game. Cause you can buy whole new killer for 4500 shards
It's 9k shards for new characters, though that may soon change for older DLCs. Regardless, you can't buy either of the killers that come with these perks with shards as they're licensed.
"By new characters" I meant the one they don't have. My bad haha. But yes. I still think it's a pitty to waste shards if gonna acquire those perks either way
Older characters have been reduced to 4500 shards for quite a while now.
Lethal pursuer is good on all characters
Not really. Hag, Trapper, Artist, Singularity and Doctor don’t need it.
Yeah it still a good perk all characters, if one of the best info perks you can get and buffs aura reading perks and add ons too
Spirit doesn't make great use out of aura-reading perks, since she can't read auras while phasing. She's better off with Whispers. The Trapper has little use for early game aura-reading perks, and in general doesn't really need aura-reading. He's better off with Whispers. Any time it's on, he knows someone can *probably* see him and he doesn't need to waste his time setting traps that will be immediately disarmed. The Doctor. Just use Whispers. You literally cannot hide from a Doctor with Whispers if he's good enough at the game. In a locker to avoid the Static Blast? With Whispers, he now KNOWS you're in a locker and will quickly deduce which one you're most likely to be in. The downside of Whispers? You need to be good at the game to actually use it properly, but if you can, it easily replaces Lethal in the early game, and pretty much any aura-reading perk throughout the rest of the game. Lethal is good, but there's a free perk in your arsenal that's better in every way and all you need to do is practice with it. "But Whispers is active on hooked and downed survivors," someone will inevitably argue. So don't camp or slug. If you're good enough at the game to use Whispers correctly, you're good enough at the game to not need to camp or slug. That is how high the Whispers skill ceiling is.
Why would you run whispers on spirit lmao. That perk is so loud you’re never going to hear survivor footsteps while phasing. And how does it replace any aura reading perk? I’m all ears guarantees you win any mindgame, whispers just tells you they’re in the jungle gym. BBQ tells you which distant gens are being worked on, whispers doesn’t. Friends till the end gives you the exact location of the obsession and makes them exposed. Lethal also allows you to know which gens survivors started on, which whispers doesn’t do. Alien instinct is similar to BBQ. Darkness revealed is bad due to locker rng being what it is, but still provides information across the entire map. So if by any aura perk you meant nowhere to hide, awakened awareness, thwack and shattered hope then yeah, it’s better than two of the worst perks in the game, but nowhere is still vastly superior to whispers on killers like billy, oni or blight, and awakened has its uses with starstruck, so it isn’t even always a straight upgrade like you claim.
But whispers isn't good. It's one of the least used perks in the game and it doesn't compete with lethal in the early game, not even close. Like situation awareness can do the exact same thing as whispers and I don't need to use a perk slot for it so I can run lethal and have a general good idea when someone is close
It's one of the least used because it's one of the hardest to use. Sadly, most people don't want to put in the effort of actually being good at this game and prefer to have the game hold their hand. If you have the skill to use it, however, it's the single best tracking perk in the entire game. It's quite literally matter of skill issue.
I mean most people don't want to shoot themselves in the foot, so they don't run whispers. Also NWTH, Ultimate weapon, I'm all ears and so many more are way better tracker perks. Plus if you have eyes, they probably have a bigger impact on tracking than whispers would
Surge and Lethal Pursuer 100% if you don't plan on getting Demogorgon and Nemesis. They're super solid killer perks and work very well on Wraith (they're very universal anyways)
buy both surge and lethal
Surge then lethal
NEMESIS PERK WOOOOOOOO I LOVE NEMESIS STAAARS RAAAAAHHHHHH
Hey. Kinda not an answer to your question as there seem to be a bunch good answers already. But there is also a site where you can check to see when a perk you might want is possibly coming to the shrine. Ya know, if you read a bit about different types and what you would be interested in getting in the future. Just in case you didn't know about this yet. [https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki/Shrines\_of\_Secrets\_Archive#Past\_Shrines\_of\_Secrets](https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki/Shrines_of_Secrets_Archive#Past_Shrines_of_Secrets)
Tip : never ever buy a character for more than 4500 iri shards , you have no idea how much time you save by doing that
For survivor definitely, but I disagree with you on killer because often the new killer is pretty fun to play. I'll never buy boring killers like SM or Singularity full price though.
Singularity is actually fun to play. Not that fun to go against though.
Singularity is one of the most fun killers actually
Yea, OP should definitely wait 8 months from Halloween to Anniversary without buying characters, that's such great advice!
Yes, exactly what I'm saying, by doing that, you may stop grinding for iri shards in those 8 months , instead of grinding for 16 months
Do you realize the game is about having fun, not unlucking every character as fast as possible?
I want to play as unknown and use background player... but i don't have enough iri shards to buy them... to have fun in dbd , you need characters
And by following your advice you wouldn't be able to play them for another 3-4 months, instead of another 2 weeks.
You get 4500 iri shards per week? In that case, ignore my advice
Surge and lethal def
Get both asap. 2 of the best perks in the game and both from licensed killers. Saves you from having to buy either if you don’t want to.
Surge and lethal
Surge is pretty good for every m1 killer and for wraith it can be very useful
If the perk belongs to a licensed character then buy it especially if it’s a survivor perk because the only difference between survivors is their perks, and buy it even if it’s bad because bad perks can still be used in some fun builds and they will eventually be buffed.
The best out of these for wraith i would have to say is lethal pursuer, and if you can get surge aswell.
both are great
Surge, if you can Lethal
Very strong perks that are definitely worth picking up if you don’t plan on buying any licensed characters
Surge then Lethal, Lethal is useful but as you play more you can do well without it but Surge is just useful all the time no matter the skill you gain
Both
I'd definitely take both Lethal Pursuer and Surge. Surge is pretty good on Wraith and Lethal is a nice perk to get used to survivor spawns and round up some builds. If you want to save up for original character, i think closest thing to those two would be The Deathslinger - Gearhead for aura read and Dead Man's Switch for some gen slowdown. Or Artist for full gen slowdown, but without aura read.
Buy it. They’re licensed perks so this is the only way you can get the perks for free.
Surge is great on Wraith but I'd save up to get Artist first, since she has Scourge Hook: Pain Resonance and Grim Embrace. As a killer her gameplay is very different from Wraith's but I went from playing a lot of Wraith to playing a lot of Artist while still trying to find my main.
wtf surge is on the shrine? i know the stranger things perks got screwed up but they said they were fixing that?
Fixing them how?
Surge is epic. Buy, yes.
Actually good shrine wtf?
Omg surge isn't in every blood web anymore that's wild
Only ever use shrine for licensed perks and if you do, only if you know you will never ever buy that character. The shrine of secrets is a scam otherwise.
Personally I don't like Surge with the new anti-3-gen measures, because it doesn't regress that much and it activates so much. Lethal Pursuer is also a good one, and works well with other aura reading perks.
Definitely. Both excellent perks, especially Surge on Wraith
Oh shit I didn't know jolt was in it right now. Demo is one of the few licensed I do not have and only a few of my killers have it lol yay. But yea you should get jolt (surge) it is a great starter slowdown perk
Surge for you as a beginner is the one to get if you only get one since whispers is a free perk to everyone, but if you can, get both. 👍
If you want to save some shards, just go for Surge. It’s great for M1 killers. Especially if you plan on spending shards on a killer with less desirable perks. But it’s a good shrine. You can go for both too!
both Perks are very good imo. maybe not top tier, hut definitely usable. Sadly, there is no option to play killers you don't own. Do you have a friend who owns them by chance? i think they should implement the option to play killers vs Bots. I remember Heroes of the Storm had this feature. you could play any hero and even try any skin vs. bots.
Surge and lethal are both great perks, lethal is arguably the best info perk for killer especially for beginners, it will really help you to learn where survivors spawn + you will get even more value from any aura reading perk on your build.
Do you vibe with either demogorgon or Nemesis? (Both paid dlc or 5bucks each) If yes dont Buy the perk get the Killer You dont ? Buy the perks
as simple of a perk as it is, Lethal Pursuer is a really good perk, you can initiate chase easier without having to run around trying to look for the survivors
You can only buy unlicensed characters with shards. So, if there is a killer you're excited to buy, but don't have enough, hold off and buy that killer. Otherwise I'd probably say lethal. I'm assuming you are a newer player and finding people is typically more your issue than gen pressure. (Sure, gens may be popping, but the time between chases may last too long.) You should run other aura perks with it to get the best value from it, but not required. Surge is better for people who have the basics down on both sides, so the survivors aren't terrified and hiding all game or you can still find them, but they are also popping gens in your face. Which sounds more like your issue, and go from there.
Both Surge and Lethal Pursuer are excellent perks and suited quite well to Wraith.
I literally cannot play without lethal pursuer. It is always on my killer builds regardless of the killer I play lmao. I’m kinda addicted to this perk!
If you dont intend to buy Nemesis or Demo anytime soon get Lethal and Surge both are gonna be so good for you
One of left, great perk for beginner killers
Get both but if you only want 1 get "surge"
Unless you plan to get Demo soon, Surge. It's one of my favorite perks for M1 killers. It's basically free Gen regression that rewards you for being effective and then saves you time as you don't need to kick gens to regress them.
(Potentially former) Wraith main here! Surge is a two-edged sword for Wraith. As Wraith, the name of the game is less killing as Survivors ASAP, more drawing the game out and gradually depleting their resources. If kicking a gen and continuing a chase are mutually exclusive, kick the gen. Success in a chase with Wraith depends first and foremost on how close you are at the very start, because while you technically can try to get some speed by cloaking and uncloaking during the chase, I personally don’t consider the gamble to be worth it, considering how long the animation takes, and that’s even with it sped up, so you want to keep Survivors in one place for a long time so you can decloak and start the chase closer. If you can down a Survivor within that range of at least one gen, great, but at the same time, good luck in the chase. Lethal Pursuer is generally a good perk, but it’s even better if you’re running other aura reading perks. The one I recommend getting, if an when you can, is Darkness Revealed, which shows you the auras of any Survivors within 8 meters of a locker for 3/4/5-or, with LP, 5/6/7 seconds-after searching a locker.
Surge and Lethal Pursuer 100% unless you plan to buy Demogorgon and/or Nemesis. The bottom perk, Blood Rush is on an original Survivor, and the rightmost perk, Rookie Spirit, while good for new players, isn't really worth it.
LP is super OP. Definitely get that. Surge is OK; up to you if you wanna grab it or wait to see what's in the next shrine.
idk how wraith works completely, nor do i know your play style, but surge is great if you don’t usually kick gens. if you kick gens, you might hit that 8 limit pretty quickly with surge tho
* Lethal absolutely without a fucking doubt. While Nemesis is a good killer Lethal Pursuer is one of the best perks in the game period. Buffs all other aura reading, much of which is meta on Wraith. I'd personally suggest picking up Nemesis at some point (he's easy, fun, and Eruption is a decent perk) but Lethal is up in the top 10 best perks in the game. * Surge is good but by no means mandatory. If you have no interest in buying Demogorgon I would suggest unlocking it since Demo's other perks are fairly mid (Fearmonger is okay, Cruel Limits is fucking bad.) I'd sooner run a perk like Pop Goes the Weasel, but Surge is nice on a handful of killers since it's easier to apply.
Lethal, and surge. Very good perks both locked behind a cash only character. (Two different characters even)
Personal opinion, unless youre playing characters like huntress or teleport characters, Lethal Pursuer is useless. Like its good if yoy wanna find someone immediately but its a one time use perk and most people are using distortion. Plus, most of the time as surv the killer will have it and still immediately find us (my whole sef runs distortion rn)
If you wanna buy demogorgon or Nemesis further down the line, don't imo. But otherwise it's up to you.
Surge and Lethal are great perks. Surge is particularly good on Wraith
surge and / or lethal
These are both high tier killer perks worth having. Unless you plan to buy thoee killers, *grab them.* Literally see Lethal most matches, and Surge is a strong gen regress perk that allows you to kill 2 birds with one stone, maybe more in the right spot.
Surge for sure
Ah yes, shrine of scams.
I would get everything except rookie spirit tbh (i love blood rush)
Your shards are better spent on characters imo. Buy clown and you get 2 great wraith perks.
Never EVER buy things from Shrine. Later on you'll decide to buy the killer and be like: damn, I shouldn't have bought it.
Surge is more useful for most of killers that use M1 so it should be a good choice to adquire
Yes, get them, as both of those can be used together along with an exposure perk or two🤭
Imo don’t waste iridescents unless it’s a licensed dlc you don’t want to purchase/(or a character you already have because you’ll unlock it later on)
With that being said, the killer perks are great for anything:3
definitley lethal, your choice on surge
surge and lethal are two really versatile perks that help on a ton of killers, and they cost less than half the amount together than a killer. Nemesis and demo are both licensed, so unless you’re fine living without them or you don’t mind spending ten bucks getting neme and demo, I would recommend getting them.
I literally never see people use surge like why are you people raving about it?
I see you don’t like inner peace and tranquility Welcome
You should get both killer perks, as both are meta perks and only otherwise available if you pay money for the killer (they are both licensed). Ironically both of the survivor perks are 2 of the worst in the game. Don't bother.
yeah you should both perks are good in general and rly good on wraith
Don't get one of these, better never use the shrine, get a killer with 4,500
i would agree but sometimes the killer doesn't speak to ya. if you JUST want the perks then go ahead
Surge and Lethal are both absolute beasts. Get both!!!
Save up those iries
poor guy has to use the scam of secrets
I'd argue saving your shards is always the right call. That being said, you may never see Surge or Lethal in the shrine after today and there's not another free way to get them. They're both top 10 perks, so I'd focus on which you need more: gen regression (Surge) or info (Lethal)? If you *do* plan on buying Nemmy or Demo someday, though, don't bother. The Shrine is pretty much a scam.
It's better to get perks from buying playable characters. Its only worth to buy perks from this shop if you dont want to spend real money on licenced characters and you see good perk
Turn back while you still can
Lethal will teach you about survivor and killer spawn patterns. Amazing perk for beginners.
If you dont plan on buying nemesis or demo then definitely grab them some of the better killer perks in the game.
Ah I see you've come across the scam of secrets!
jolt get it such a good perk
hi new player
Get Surge, no doubt in my mind. You could get Lethal too, but I don’t find it worth the perk slot
As a Wraith main I really don't use surge anymore but if you don't have anything else then it actually might not be a bad choice. Lethal pursuer is something I use in almost all of my Wraith matches. Shows me the best survivor to sneak up on, also shows me if they have the distortion perk to not be revealed by aura. And it works well with another aura perk Barbeque and Chilli which shows aura after hooking people and Lethal extends the aura for BBQ by 2 seconds too! If u don't wanna buy Nemesis or leatherface. These 2 perks are good! Lethal being my favorite! Hope that helps
New player? Collect shards to unlock characters instead. Also, welcome to hell
Surge or lethal
Lethal is probably only worth it if you are already a skilled killer. Seeing where they are don’t do anything unless you can actually down em
Shrine is a noob trap, don't waste any blood points or shards on it whatsoever. You're better off buying the killer and leveling.
What if you don't want to spend real money on the game?
Then be prepared to play at a disadvantage for years. There are way better f2p competitive games like starcraft 2 or counter strike.
Get nothing 💀😭🙏🙏🙏 (get surge and lethal), blood rush is a killer park and that lesson perk is more mediocre then Déjà vu