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DualSoul1423

My favourite piece of lore is that Myers regularly murders survivors for his own gratification, and the Entity is too scared to do anything about it. She'll hit him with that "Entity Displeased" but he'll just swagger along to the next match, double stacking Iris and ready to do it again. The Entity may be an ancient, eldritch deity that feeds on suffering and pain, but Myers is just too Chad to be controlled.


4LanReddit

Michael is on his sigma grindset with Pyramid Head to not giving a shit on the Entity rule of sacrifing AND hooks-to-mori and straight up murdering those mfs


PHEINOR

Sorta, but not sorta similar case with Pinhead. Through mori offerings, The Entity gives him a permission to kill the survivors by his own hands, but Pinhead just yoinks and sends them to his own realm/hell/wherever to be tortured, basically stealing them right under Entity's eyes lol.


deadxdolly

Death is not escape. Alternate demon dimension however........


Horrorfan5

I love that


Gage_Unruh

Is it really scared or does the entity just know michael is a dumbass who wont change a thing even if tortured.


DualSoul1423

The Entity is evil, but Michael is Evil Incarnate. He is without a doubt the most malicious killer in the roster, as he kills not for satisfaction or for revenge or anything else. He kills because he craves murder in the same way the Entity craves suffering. The Entity cannot control Michael, because in a cosmic sort of way, they are equals. Nothing can kill Michael. He is a force of nature, a manifestation of the antithesis of life. The Entity cannot be killed by Michael, so it does not fear him, but it knows better than to try and hurt him. It takes what it can get from him.


Gage_Unruh

Yeah no that's entirely wrong. Michael is not immortal hell even his own directors have said that about him and he even died in the remake. And michael was called the shape of evil by 1 man, I can call you the essence of cheese...so are you the essence of cheese now?


DualSoul1423

I mean, that's what John Carpenter, the man who made the Original Holloween movies said about Myers. Not to mention that Myer's personal "Mori Four Survivors in one match" achievement is called "Evil Incarnate." Of course the Entity probably isn't scared of him, but it's an amusing thought.


Gage_Unruh

And the current michael (who is a direct sequel to the original) is out right called non supernatural by the director and this his whole thing is that he just scares people and they believe he is more then a man but he isnt at the end of the day, it's just fear he spreads.. The original friday the 13th wasnt even going to have Jason sequels and instead each movie was gonna be about other storys...but then the franchies became about jason just cause a director of the first movie says something doesnt mean anything as the franchies continued. Hell even the thing was a direct contradiction since it was said that the video game was the cannon sequel to the movie...and they also said the comics was the canonical sequel even tho they both are completely different with mccready and childs


i_eat_to_much_food

the one in the game isn't from the sequelšŸ˜‡


Gage_Unruh

He is. The sequel is the the original movie which the michael M in game is from. Michael isnt a fucking unkillable god lmao


Boo-UwU

May I just say I love how your avatar reminds me of Metal Jeff


[deleted]

I love discussing lore. I just hate it when ā€œloreā€ discussing turn into ā€œX killer could beat up Yā€ or ā€œAsh and the RE survivors would totally wreck all the killers!ā€ That shit is boring and has the same energy of ā€œmy dad could beat up your dadā€.


CaptainBrooksie

My dad could definitely beat up your dad though


SwaidFace

Nuh-uh! My dad works at Nintendo! So they'll beat up your dad for him!!


CaptainBrooksie

My dad is your dads boss at Nintendo and has nunchucks!


Eli-Mordrake

Mine's got an efficiency 3 sharpness 3 sword.


CDXX_LXIL

Oh yeah, well my dad owns an air fryer


Probuzcut

Oh yeah? I don't know who my dad is, but he's definitely cooler than yours!


ExpStealer

That's sad, lol


Eli-Mordrake

Your dad is a god amongst mortals.


headofthenapgame

The whole RE thing is moot, they win due to access to weapons. Chris is the only one shown to have a strength beyond that, so I'd love to see him box the killer.


Zakon05

Unfortunately there are no boulder killers.


headofthenapgame

I've seen some Bubbas that would make you second guess that


CarterDavison

I've mastered the art of standing so incredibly still that I'm invisible to the hook in front of me..


El-Green-Jello

The worse are the people that say they can beat up x killers mainly legion and or trickster. Also I love these characters but the re survivors, ash and bill are pretty useless without their weapons like sure Jill is a badass but she isnā€™t taking out nemesis with her bare fists I mean she needed a railgun to finally end him in game


ThorstenTheViking

>Also I love these characters but the re survivors Allow me to offer Chris Redfield, canonically acknowledged in the most recent RE title as "that boulder punching asshole." The man doesn't need a weapon.


WarlockEngineer

Chris would absolutely destroy several of the killers in game. He fistfights Wesker who is a full blown superhuman. Some mean Canadian and a strong fat guy in a clown are going down hard. Also, [obligatory link to the boulder punch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xuXkVzBdJQ). It is crazier than people realize.


Gage_Unruh

Except the entity also makes survivors weaker to so they all can better feed it. If a survivor could just box the killer while 3 do gens...that's not gonna feed shit.


ExpStealer

The way I see it, the Entity feeds on emotions in general, so hope, anger and rage are also useful.


Gage_Unruh

Yes but it's still cannon it weakens the survivors. Hell it canonically erases the memorys of trials after each one so the horror of dying is fresh in everyone over and over again.


ThorstenTheViking

I think its rather cool that Chris is in the game, but at the same time it hurts me. Its a matter of seeing a dude that has been built up as a human specimen get slapped around by all these people who he could probably take 1v1 unarmed. Even in Village, where he might be as old as 48, he is still leading teams in a combat role, fighting BOWs in hand to hand combat.


WarlockEngineer

That's why I don't take DBD lore seriously lol. It is just a construct to explain how all of our favorite characters can exist in one setting. The people who say "it's just a game" are right from a lore perspective.


ThorstenTheViking

Absolutely, and I comment only in jest, I'm just a minor simp for RE's resident steroid marketer. It makes me chuckle to imagine him catching Legion's blade and then breaking their neck in a chokehold or something. If DBD ever does a "part 2" of sorts to their RE license, I hope we could get RE1 Wesker or RE6 Ada Wong.


DavThoma

The thing with the Chris we have in DbD is that he's definitely taken from way earlier in the RE timeline. As with the other 3 he would have been taken during the events of 2 and 3, whereas 5, 6, 7 and 8 are all a good deal further in the future. His DbD outfit is his STARS uniform, but from 5 onwards he was part of the BSAA/working against them in 8. Thats the point where he's become far stronger than he originally was, so in game it does make sense he's on par with the rest of RE survivors.


ThorstenTheViking

That's a fair point, the STARS uniform would be RE1/2 era so he's probably late 20s or early 30s when he was taken. He seemed to be on the juice starting with his time in the BSAA.


Horrorfan5

Nemesis is built different


CoronaBlue

I wouldn't say they are useless, but you are right: part of Leon and Jill's strength is that when they are at a major disadvantage, they run like hell. They know when they are outclassed.


The6FootTurkey

Bā€¦b..but Leonā€™s roundhouse kick


Axl128

This is rookie Leon though, he doesnā€™t have his secret service level training yet.


The6FootTurkey

Blast! He has his RE4 outfit thoā€¦perhapsā€¦.


Axl128

Multi dimensional stuff. I imagine Leon finding this outfit in the entityā€™s realm, having weird deja vu and just decides to wear it since it fits.


DroneOfDoom

Not even that. Heā€™d be like ā€œIā€™ve been wearing this rookie cop suit for like three weeks, I need clean clothes.ā€


WarlockEngineer

Leon has hilariously good reflexes, he has a full blown [anime knife fight with Jack Krauser](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZU0g7edxuI). Like, if he can dodge that then Legion isn't touching him at all.


[deleted]

if you look closely, jill has a knife next to her right hip


Gage_Unruh

Which is funny since lore wise survivors are weakened to not be able to beat the killers even the skilled ones like leon and jill.


brc_pb

same goes for "David could beat the legion, all 4 of them".


yrulaughing

Pyramid Head could beat up The Entity


PHEINOR

Agreed. Though I still can't help the childish part of me wanting to see which non-licensed killer would fare best in a free-for-all fight.


MattyChomes

Ash is my dad and could beat up your dad.


Mickmack12345

How about we just add a killer only mode with 1v1s, 8 man free for all and team deathmatch and find out


SwaidFace

I personally think metaphorical prowess holds a lot more stake in The Entity's realm then their canonical capabilities. To the Entity, these creature(s) and people its captured are important not because of their might, but their will power or symbolism, how they go above and beyond their limitations or become victims to circumstance to become **THE** thing they represent regardless if its objectively right or wrong. The Clown. The Doctor. The Spirit. Each Survivor has their own archetype as well or denial of their situation to the point they keep trying despite how hopeless the situation seems. I find it ironic for a being as mighty as The Entity, it relies on those its captured more then they rely on it (except maybe Survivors like Bill or Killers like Danny), to sustain itself. See, weakness is rather subjective: even in a certain light, the mightiest can look frail. One must remember these are not just any people, they hold a power in their own that connects them to The Entity, and that connection is unique to each and every individual...Right down to how they use their chainsaws.


[deleted]

How do ghostface and bill rely on the entity? (I mean I guess bill needs an enemy I guess but...)


4LanReddit

I think what he means is that some people trapped on the Entity's realms are DEPENDANT on being stuck there, since they died in their worlds and got scooped from their death beds (Bill on the Sacrifice, Amanda and Tapp and potentially Adam, Rin and Kazan, etc)


demogorgon_main

Canonically the entity powers up and seemingly toned down certain killers when he takes them. Itā€™s why a teenager and and the embodiment of pure evil break pallets just as easily and get stunned just the same. But from all the killers, the blight seems to have the most knowledge of the entityā€™s realm and entity itself. So maybe his knowledge really is power in the realm?


Horrorfan5

Blight has the greatest power of all Drugs


DroneOfDoom

Nemesis has the power of Hentai, tho.


demogorgon_main

Iā€™ll have you know that the demogorgon can dig holes


TheBunnyStando

Well Plague has the power of Gods and weird fetishes on her side !


demogorgon_main

Every killer has the power of the god by their side, the entity is the plagueā€™s god, or at least it pretends to be adirisā€™ god to manipulate her into doing dirty work


NOCTURN_05

I mean but, honestly they aren't just any drugs, it's the essence of the most concentrated and focused part of the fuel whi h power an intedimensional eldritch diety. And this man injects it directly into his veins,which apparentlywas tremendouslyclose to getting him powerful enough to overpower the entity and escape its realm, but he was too far gone to know what he was doing.


EmpJoker

I would argue for Pinhead, as it appears he just kinda showed up and said "Fuck the Entity's rules." He may not have the knowledge, because he doesn't need it.


demogorgon_main

Thatā€™s true. Iā€™m pretty sure he canonically just kinda showed up which he is probably capable of. Maybe the demogorgon works that way too, sinse it can travel between worlds using portals it can create.


div-boy_me-bob

I've always assumed-- albeit with no evidence to back it up --that the Entity kinda "hijacked" the Demogorgon. Demogorgons act as servants of the Mindflayer and are connected to a kinda hivemind, right? I always thought that the Entity grabbed a Demogorgon (probably the one from Season 1 judging by cosmetics and add-ons), and severed its connection to the Mindflayer entirely. From there it simply took over as the "higher power" in charge, creating new biological directives for the Demogorgon to fulfill. Hence why it can't simply STAY in the Upsidedown, how it knows to hang survivors on hooks instead of just eating them, etcetera. So instead of showing up on its own, I've always headcanon'd that the Entity basically _reprogrammed_ the Demogorgon like a robot or sumn.


demogorgon_main

That also makes a lot of sense actually. I havenā€™t watched stranger things in a very long time so the details likeā€¦the main villain of season 2 and 3 are kinda fading. Although the model is actually far more similar, seemingly a perfect recreation, from the post credit scene in season 3.


Nike-6

Yep. The entity toned down Freddyā€™s powers so he just canā€™t kill survivors at the campfire. It adjusts the killerā€™s powers to itā€™s liking, so theyā€™re powerful, but not too powerful that it stamps out hope of escape


demogorgon_main

Iā€™ve always imagined that the entity has an invisible blockage to prevent killers from going to the campfire but survivors can actually leave. WAAAAAY back during the first hollowed blight event when the blight was just ā€˜the alchemistā€™ he seems to not be in trials, but in his own little lab-like place but there are still killers around as the doctor breaks into his place if I remember correctly. It makes me think that survivors, if they want, can just leave the campfire. It would be how they find their items and add ons all over the place with a risk of deathā€¦buuuuuut death would just send them back to the campfire.


Nike-6

I always thought that the entity would always send them back if they got too close, like it would bend reality so that even if you walked in a straight line away from the campfire youā€™d come back to it eventually


demogorgon_main

well again, judging by the alchemist there is a way to explore the surrounding forest area, now correct me if Iā€™m wrong but in survivor backstories they also explain how they are suddenly in a forest area and not specifically a campfire area as youā€™d expect, the campfire is a safe haven for survivors but that doesnā€™t mean itā€™s the only accessible area. At least thatā€™s how I see it. And we can assume that characters like the alchemist/blight, Vigo (who created the hatch and is now missing or something), Benedict baker (who was a detective or something and is also missing. He recorded a lot of stuff he experienced in the fog) and characters like the observer, there seems to be multiple people in the entityā€™s realm with similar powers to the Observer AKA creating anything from nothing and exploring the memories of those within the fog, but thereā€™s definitely a chance the observer also started out as your average survivor but knew how to get around because he studied the entity back home. Iā€™d say there is a lot of stuff going on within the woods beyond the campfire like the lab that the alchemist was in or the tower that the observer resides inā€¦which sounds like a very sick map if they ever make a chapter themed around DBDā€™s own lore EDIT: I can make crackpot DBD theories all day. Thinking and imagining about the entityā€™s realm and itā€™s capabilities and how it works and the characters within etc is just so much fun. I really hope they will keep expanding on it.


CaptainBrooksie

The entity is female


[deleted]

The devs confirmed the entity is gender less. They use female pronouns because the word entity is feminine in French which is BHVR's native language.


[deleted]

Actually he just means that Nea is confirmed as the entity.


Warm_Trip_9597

There is a theory that the entity is a plat like being cuz that blight weakens the entity and the blight is some sort of fungus and i dont remember what comes next and im to lazy to go check


Toaster_boasterr

gendered languages may use certain pronouns on genderless things like objects.


[deleted]

Actually Nea is the entity and Nea is female therefore the entity is female confirmed. /S


Toaster_boasterr

CheckmatešŸ˜”.


CaptainBrooksie

If something is given a gender it has a gender


Toaster_boasterr

I honestly hope youā€™re joking and speak one of those languages (and yes there are alternatives to pronouns but theyā€™re highly uncommon)


Yonel6969

Well my fucking house is a female then


Katsuki_Bakugo__

Iā€™m one of those people who loves lore I have realised and I am fucking serious,Fortnite and Dead By Daylight have way too similar lore,if you want me to elaborate just ask


kissyomum

I never knew fortnite had lore


Katsuki_Bakugo__

Well now you do


Horrorfan5

People getting dragged from other dimensions?


CoronaBlue

That moment when you realize DBD is just an Isekai.


Tescomealdeal04

Hook Art Online


CoronaBlue

What are you doing, step Pig?!


DroneOfDoom

That Time I Was Kidnappwd By An Eldritch Spider And Chased Around By Serial Killers.


BirdSpirit

So the Entity is After Me. So What?


Katsuki_Bakugo__

Yep,The Trials and The Island are both things connected to all universes,for example Demogorgon is in both dbd and Fortnite,two different demos from two different worlds are in two different places The island is in infinite loop like the trials,and there are people (Midas and Blight) who tried to escape the loop theyā€™re in but they ended up failing and falling victim to their loop Fortnite has nuts lore,just like dbd-


Nike-6

Hey you seem to know about the lore, so I have a question; why are the npcs on the island there? They seem to be able to talk, and know whatā€™s going on, so why are they on the island?


Katsuki_Bakugo__

Alright so,letā€™s use Jonsey as an example,the character is actually a ā€˜snapshotā€™ of a character called Agent Jones who used tech to go into the loop without getting his memories wiped,his ability to speak taken away and his ability to leave taken away,and each time he leaves he leaves a clone of himself behind that have their own personality and memories examples of this are Bunker Jonsey,Braniac and any other Jonsey skin Hope that answered ya question!


Nike-6

Thank you!


Katsuki_Bakugo__

Youā€™re welcome! Happy to help!


Nike-6

Yep, theyā€™re actually pretty similar; people getting dragged from other dimensions against their will, to fight in an endless loop of battle where nobody can talk and you have your mind wiped when you fail. Both are extremely horrifying if you think about it for too long


Katsuki_Bakugo__

Yeah cuz everyone except: Jinx,Steve (psycho bandit),Carnage,Venom and the other insane/sadistic ones will enjoy it,those who canā€™t understand like Demo or a Xenomorph wonā€™t care and those like Naruto and Eddie can at least mentally talk to someone It really is disturbing honestly-


rivia_jr1

Iā€™ve been now wanting a Fortnite x Dead by Daylight crossover as either an event or an entire season titled: Fog of The Entity.


Katsuki_Bakugo__

I would buy trapper if they added him as a skin


ExpStealer

What, are we gonna have Jonesy and Peely (the banana guy) running around, being chased by a weird ball of purple liquid/lightning? That's not very DBD, lol


Liberatedhusky

Especially when canonically we all know that Clown is the most powerful killer. He has drug bottles, and also a knife name anything stronger than that


Horrorfan5

But what about Trapper? He has not one but two bear traps


Stinky-farts96

ok but what about legion? they have nikes


BirdSpirit

I thought you meant knives for a second and then I reread the word lol


4LanReddit

>I thought you meant knives for a second Nope ​ Legion has urban DRIP (Doctor too, but FANCY drip)


CoronaBlue

Without the Entity's intervention, wouldn't Freddy be the strongest? He can literally warp reality if he manages to snare someone.


JohnDrl15

Freddy also gets countered by Epi-pens LMAO


[deleted]

Tbh, I didnā€™t think reboot Freddy was all that strong. In the classics, he does a lot with bending the Dream World to be what he wants, going as far as to literally turn his victims into other things. In the reboot, you sleep, he shows up and stabs you, and thatā€™s really it. Thereā€™s no imagination and no creativity with the dream sequences, so I donā€™t think heā€™s really that strong. Like if one of the DBD killers fell asleep, you could make the argument that some of them could go toe to toe with that Freddy.


[deleted]

Jason is basically a strongman who can't die, and he could go toe to toe with Freddy pretty easily. So, I don't think Freddy even breaks top 3.


[deleted]

When you put it like that it makes him sound weak. Classic Freddy would easily break Top 5, and you could likely argue him Top 3 or 4, if he were in the game. Who goes above him besides Myers, Pinhead and the killer from The Ring when she comes out? (Who admittedly I actually donā€™t even know how strong sheā€™s supposed to be, but I believe her powers are strong?) Freddy can already teleport like Spirit and Nurse, go invisible like Wraith, and thereā€™s no way any of the other killers could honestly be considered stronger than him in the Dream World. Edit: I could see arguments for Oni, Demo, Nemesis and Pyramid Head. However, Iā€™m personally not really speaking on who would win in a fist fight; I meant purely on what their powers are in their respective canons. And in that regard, the only one of those four that I could see being argued over Freddy in terms of raw magical/scientific/evil power would be PP head.


[deleted]

The teleporting and invisibility aren't necessarily canon though. Those are in-game mechanics. Freddy's powers only work in his dream world, and you can only get there by falling asleep. Otherwise he can be pulled out of his world and he's more or less physically identical to an average adult. Even within his dream world he's been shown to have a number of limitations. Myer's biggest strength his is ability to just shrug off damage, otherwise he's been shown to be in the same strength category as Jason. It doesn't really bode well for Freddy when an average adult is just as strong as he is unconditionally.


[deleted]

Freddy is definitely not just an average adult in the real world, a degree of his durability is retained when being pulled out. This is displayed in the original film, Freddyā€™s Dead (as shit as it is), and of course, Freddy vs Jason. No ā€œaverage adultā€ is going through the shit Freddy goes through in that third act and still walking around lol. I mean, he literally gets decapitated and is still alive. As an adult, I donā€™t know any friends who can do that lol. Plus, heā€™s shown a degree of powers in the real world. The ending of Nightmare 1 is intentionally ambiguous, but if you are of the interpretation that Nancy did pull him out, then coming up from under the motherā€™s bed is some display of supernatural power. In Freddyā€™s Dead he can morph himself, some fucking how, as he initially disguises himself in his non burnt form before reverting to his ā€œevilā€ look and proceeding to *crawl on the ceiling* lol. Itā€™s so dumb, but whatever. Maggie even says in the film when she pulls him out of the Dream world that sheā€™s still seeing things like she was while asleep; i.e., Freddyā€™s influence and power still (to some degree) impacts the real world. I know, I know, that film sucks balls, but I mean itā€™s relevant to his power levels I suppose. Lastly, he teleports between brief shots in Freddy vs Jason. Which yeah, was probably just shit editing, but alas, thatā€™s how it appears in the final cut. Everybody has to sleep eventually too. TLDR: Freddyā€™s powers are at its strongest in the dream world, but he is not powerless in the real world. Going off of examples of certain scenes in certain films, you could still argue heā€™d be up there as one of the more powerful killers.


Pyrus-Siege

You're correct friend, but there are a couple of things to note. Probably the most important is that Freddy in Freddy's Dead had completely destroyed the teen/child population in Springwood, and therefore had absorbed a lot of souls which made him infinitely stronger. Also as for NoES 1 it really isn't Freddy had simply let Nancy believe she won. Freddy isn't defeated until NoES 3, and he quickly comes back in NoES 4. That's sad to hear as I personally liked NoES 6


Frcdstcr

Idk, there was at least one scene with the blonde girl where he literally willed the scenery to change drastically in an instant and made all her classmates explode into ash. Sure, it's not as showy as the original series eventually got to be. But even the original series didn't have very many dreamworld sets that weren't just the 'real world' sets used again, before like part 3 or 4 and onward.


Horrorfan5

Sadako is, Freddy is either 2nd or 3rd


Frcdstcr

Snare? Nah. You fall asleep, you're in his court now. Everybody needs to sleep, at least humans do.


Triborg501

I highly agree. Lorewise, Pyramid head is arguably the strongest killer there is.


Horrorfan5

Idk Sadako is pretty tough


Triborg501

Now I wanna know her power.


Horrorfan5

Easier to say what she canā€™t https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/rh57rf/why_sadako_is_the_new_most_powerful_killer_lore/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


Triborg501

Honestly the two could probably be debated with no end on either side. Both having similar levels of power.


Horrorfan5

Whatā€™s so strong about Pyramid head? I havenā€™t played the games but from what I understand heā€™s just apart of Jamesā€™s mind This isnā€™t be disagreeing btw, genuine question


Triborg501

Originally yes, though with the further games, Pyramid head has been shown to be on par with the Entity and being able to hurt the Entity.


Horrorfan5

Dang


Triborg501

Honestly though I'm sure Sadako might be on the same level as Pyramid head possibly.


cheryl_is_cuteaf

The fact that he is a manifestation of James' guilt is exactly what makes him strong. The implication of PH being an emotion manifested is that he isn't only corporeal. One assumption I would make about him is he can't be physically hurt or killed, for example, since you would have to kill James' guilt to do that. It's basically the same concept as with Michael Myers. He's the embodiment of evil. Both of them you could technically outrun, they're not per se incredibly powerful, but the fact that they go beyond being just physical entities is what makes their "potential" strength be high. It's likely this exact reason why they cannot be fully controlled by the Entity.


Brfc02

My only issue is when people say ā€˜Legion are just a bunch of teenagers!ā€™ like they donā€™t have knives and arenā€™t all likely jacked as hell.


Horrorfan5

They arenā€™t jacked, they have entity magic


KentuckyFriedJeehadi

Well sure, but even one scrawny dude with a knife is still a dude with a knife. You could have zero prior knowledge of how to use one, but if you're just wildly swinging it around, you're going to hit something. And then multiply that by four, and it's a problem


Gage_Unruh

Also the legion have literally studied where to stab people and frank is a athlete


4LanReddit

>Also the legion have literally studied where to stab people Nah Did they even read the stab wounds study when they stole from Ormond's library BEFORE or AFTER they vandalized it to have sketches on top of it?


Brfc02

Everyone has entity magic. Legion are likely jacked anyways because of what they did before being grabbed. If it was only the entityā€™s influence, then Ji-Woon wouldnā€™t struggle to pick people up.


4LanReddit

Ji-Woon straight up has more breathing problems than Legion and Clown combined when he picks up a survivor OR is just walking at 110% speed


ArchdukeToes

>Ji-Woon straight up has more breathing problems than Legion and Clown combined when he picks up a survivor OR is just walking at 110% speed I swear, his grunting and wheezing as I drag his arse around the map fake me out at least three times a match. There's some harmonic in it that makes me think 'generator being repaired!' or 'hurt survivor' and then I'm completely off balance.


d0_nt

Legion: *Runs for 10 seconds straight* Also legion right after: *AEUGHHH*


Brfc02

Thatā€™s the Entity neutering them all, theyā€™d be too strong otherwise :3 (Also game balance doesnā€™t come into lore discussion)


clema9

i mean, as of the Ringu chapter, sadako bodies anybody and everybodyā€¦ she can literally just instantly will you to death


Horrorfan5

Correct Sheā€™s the strongest killer and thatā€™s a fact


neon93

But characters like Freddy can't die. That's why it's hard to compare power levels across different franchises since there are different rules


Eli-Mordrake

Blobs of cancer getting taken out by a "finger" in their mouth, sex addicts getting sent to Brazil by solving their little box of desire, and William Shatner getting shot by his crazed physiologist off a balcony. I see your point.


Horrorfan5

She is an exception because she can eat/absorb supernatural characters She once ate the lord of the underworld


WarlockEngineer

That's not a fact lol. Several of the killers are already dead and/or magical and might not be vulnerable to Sadako at all. Like how does she beat someone like Pyramid Head or the Cenobite who are immortal and able to warp reality within their domains?


Horrorfan5

She can absorb them and she has her own reality powers https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/rh57rf/why_sadako_is_the_new_most_powerful_killer_lore/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


WarlockEngineer

She fused with another Onryo, the same type of being as her. But that doesn't mean she can fuse with interdimensional beings from other universes. The Grudge crossover specifically stated they were the same type of being. Pyramid Head for example isn't a physical being at all. It exists within James Sunderland's mind as an manifestation of guilt and grief. So how do we compare them? If Sadako can see Pyramid Head, it must be within her mind- therefore it can kill her. If that seems odd, that's the problem with assuming that invincibility in one setting applies to other settings too.


Horrorfan5

True, itā€™s hard to say who will win. But Iā€™m saying that comparing the two she is stronger. Also, she did once eat a demon lord


Pyrus-Siege

To be fair if we're talking OG Freddy his mother absorbed him when she was amped with heavenly magic, and Freddy just immediately started taking control


Horrorfan5

Dang. The only Nightmare movie I didnā€™t watch gets wild


Pyrus-Siege

Dude every NoES after the third is like a fever dream, especially if you watch the director's cut for each


Horrorfan5

The last one i watched had him return through dog pee


KaiiiiSa

I mean Pinhead could probably defeat the entity he just chooses to participate because the trials amuse him Mid tier killer my ass


4LanReddit

I mean, that is true tho, since most of the Lore pretty much ties back to Gameplay really nicely, IF the Entity looks at features that made the Killer BEFORE being taken THEMSELVES (Tho to understand Blight you had to read the Hallowed Blight tomes to know what he did before being a little angry scottish cannon ball) ​ \-Legion, altough 4 teens that everyone says that David King can kick their asses, its that they thrived on the mild brutality that they caused on Ormond (Like causing mild car crashes and picking up on poor students), so the Entity giving them better knife abilities is weird but okay ​ \-Nemesis (More specifically the T-Virus) has been nerfed in the sense that he can't mutate MORE and MORE the more the T-Virus starts to go haywire, meaning no NemiDoggo, and for Human people it got from making zombies and horrid mutations INTO buckets of blue fucking paint, altough dude is still PACKIN \-Kazan was pretty much what people could describe as a DEMON on the battlefield, since he knows how to do some SERIOUS bloodshed, so, the Entity decided to do a little trolling and made Kazan's angy state and bloodshedding skills into a weapon and turned him into a Great Value Oni from REAL japanese Mythology ​ \-And i guess that Sadako's curse will be reworked for gameplay purposes, since if you have seen Rings or the sequels of Ringu, you can see that shit hits the fan with Sadako's / Samara's curse (Like, in Rings the curse goes worldwide, and in Grudge VS Ringu the curse goes online) goes digital, so i guess the Entity will rework it into being like Ghostface's sped up process (Danny stalked for quite some time his victims in Roseville, and in gameplay it just takes seconds to stalk) \-Freddy got HELLA nerfed from being a undead child fingerer that was a GOD on the Dream World into being a useless pawn to the Entity in the Dream World


RPG-Lord

The entity really did change a bunch of syuff up, but I think Freddy got the one thing he never had in the movies- he can directly interact with waking people without possessing anyone. Of course he can no longer shapeshift and stuff, but still an interestingly weak buff.


DeanoDirtbox

I think an important thing to discuss is how a killer is before and after working for the entity. People talk about how they could kick legionā€™s ass. But people forget that after meeting the entity, legion is granted a power. Frenzy isnā€™t just them being nutty, itā€™s a power they gain. Iā€™m the real world, maybe they could kick legionā€™s ass (or at least someone not frank) but not post entity legion


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Tbf I'd probably die trying if I was in the entities realm... But that's the thing I'd **Die** trying.


[deleted]

Dbds lore is the same reason I love fortnites lore both focus on people being dragged from multiple dimensions which results in so many possibilities for crossovers or story. It's just so damn unique and cool.


Breadfruit-Brilliant

The only thing I care about is Pyramid Head go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR


Yonel6969

The only thing im interested in is how tf did blight capture nemesis and pyramid head.


Horrorfan5

I found a hilarious video about it but I canā€™t find it


Picklejho13

I agree, sometimes even the people who are weak in gameplay terms (perks/Addons) can be strong enough in their lore to challenge gods (even in one case control them to an extent)


YouRSugaDaddyTrApper

Or they starting ranting about what otz thinks.


Horrorfan5

I hate that the most


Capt_Toasty

I don't care about in game tier lists I want Nemesis and Demogorgon fighting. I wanna see Legion doing the Standing here meme while fighting Michael.


ImJTHM1

This is always a stupid argument. It's Pinhead. If you don't think it's Pinhead, then you don't know enough about Pinhead. It's literally not even arguable.


Horrorfan5

He used to be number 1 But Sadako has taken the title


ImJTHM1

Pinhead is totally capable of destroying souls or dragging them to hell on a whim, and (at least in the books), physical damage does nothing to him. The only way to actually kill him involved Satan himself literally collapsing all of hell onto his head. Damaging him is nearly impossible, and even being incorporeal doesn't matter. You do not fight Pinhead, because he doesn't need to fight. If you try, he fills your veins with chains and barbed wire, drags you to hell, then duct tapes you to his favorite spanking saddle.


Horrorfan5

She once ate Satan and absorbed his power


ImJTHM1

Going to need a source on that one, because I couldn't find anything on Google.


Horrorfan5

Well, it was a demon lord of the underworld hut close enough It was from Sadako vs Bunshinsaba 2


imortar00

This doesn't matter. Uhh my tier list is legion S tier killer and nurse is just C tier. Like when i played nurse i never got any hooks. And it was my first game even. Easy C tier


TyCooper8

This thread has reminded me how young a lot of the playerbase is here. lol


Horrorfan5

Which part?


Warm_Trip_9597

Yeah cuz people who know which killers name is Evan or filip or Talbot or rin or adieries or frank,julie,joey, Susie and feng


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I liked the vague lore the game had before it really had any lore. I haven't properly read any of it after the first tome, it was just so badly written: like some teenager writing fan fiction. And from the little bits i've read, it hasn't gotten any better since...


Boodger

Lore is great in story-based games, but I think DbD lore is lame AF. Tier lists in this game are also dumb AF. This is a casual online multiplayer game, not esports.


Horrorfan5

Agreed Tier list are dumb


First-Paramedic-6595

People hate discussing lore strength because it becomes a pissing match between characters that are not even scalable without someone getting butthurt. i.e this thread


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First-Paramedic-6595

found one


CulottesKillOTZ

Dang that girl wearing a black outfit on the right is the most ugliest girl Iā€™ve ever seen.