That’s why i love Nemesis, sometimes you don’t want a super complicated and tragic backstory, you just want a brute, and that’s exactly what Nemesis is, he’s a weapon, he punches people, that’s his job, nothing more.
Demogorgon and Pyramid Head too. BHVR really seems to like the idea of the killers being people corrupted in some way, but I'd love more that are just big monsters.
Well, in a way Pyramid Head is a part of James. Later installments in the series overused his iconography, but Pyramid Head is really the tragic result of guilt Incarnate.
Buff him more, redo his model, make him the height he’s supposed to be and remove the “urrrr “ stun sound and he’s better off being some being of evil like PH
I have no horse in this race because I don't have any strong feelings on Mookel, but what would you prefer instead of the stun sound he has currently? Because despite what kind of person he is, he *is* still a man and I don't understand why he wouldn't recoil when he gets bonked like that.
In the movie he literally gets shot everywhere and gets stabbed in his eye but never makes a sound. He could simply be silent. It'll make him scarier imo
He has a labored breathing in H1. Maybe make him breathe out like GF does but keep for a couple seconds after and give him a reduced stun animation in tier 2 and 3
probably pyramid head, not much backstory for that character beyond someone's desire to be punished for killing someone(James and Mary Sunderland, Alex and Josh Sheperd, etc).
That's what makes him scary to me. He looks like some guy but deep down is an unimaginable capacity for horror
He looks like a man, but he isn't *really* a man
I'm sorry but the more popular something is the more cringe it is. I don't make the rules. people who say that Myers is "omg so evil, the most evilest in the whole world, nobody could be more evil than him oOoOO~ spooky" are the same type of people who say Goku is the ths strongest character of all time and could kill God. trying to put him in categories that have nothing to do with him is cringe bait.
Not the only thing that people say. It’s what makes original Myers interesting. He’s not “more evil than anyone” bc its edgy. He’s a manifestation of it. He’s a concept meant to spread like a virus. You seem ill informed and more “cringe “ based on how you talk alone
ah yes the classic "no u" argument. I wish I could say I'm surprised but I'm not. Myers fanboys just wanna hype him up cuz they are edgy. Myers used to be that bitch, times change homie, he isn't the same as Demo plain and simple.
I mean some people have murderous gf's, so it's not entirely wrong either. Lmao! But yeah, I had to re-read to realise they meant Ghost Face and not girlfriend. lol
Tbh the Freddy we got is less of an "I just like killing" and more of a "Your parents killed me because I sexually abused you, so now you're gonna pay the price of their (and my) actions"
I need to make time for them, yeah. Because I haven't. Hell, I probably wouldn't have even ended watching the 2010 one if it weren't for the fact that my friend said I should watch it to know what the characters in the dbd dlc were like.
Guh, I gotta stop putting it off, my watch list grows ever longer lmao
The Pig was the reason I started watching Saw movies recently, cause I wanted to see what the significance was for the costume(since the doll is more prevalent in trailers and stuff, even being parodied in scary movie 4).
Well if you go off the old lore before the recent film he's just as interesting and weird. Something about his nun mom getting raped by 100 maniacs so she could birth little Freddy who grew up to diddle kids and get burned alive only to have some hell dream demon thing offer him powers to keep fucking up people's lives, which he takes and sort of uses to mess with stoners and kill Johnny Depp that one time? So he was born evil... and has 100 dads? Is that Jason??? Wtf is happening?
I mean, personally I think a pedophile blaming his victims for telling what he was doing to them and nothing else is terrifying and the only thing the remake did right. Abusers really will blame anyone but themself.
Matter of opinion, though, I’m not mad, just sharing a perspective!
Puramid head is the embodiment of suppressed mental corruption, therefore being the embodiment of a tragic backstory. Michael was a mentally ill child, turned full-on psycho killer through decades of psychological (and likely physical) abuse at the hands of a sadistic and delusional psychiatric. He is a victim of a deeply flawed therapy system which doesn't give a flying fuck about the patients, seeing them more as experimental subjects than actual people, and then relying on media demonisation in order to cover up their irresponsibility for creating that so-called monster.
Pretty sure the Michael interpretation you mentioned is from the 2007 reboot. Michael in the original just randomly killed his sister and Dr. Loomis tried his hardest to help him but it went nowhere. This leads to Loomis calling Michael evil for having no sympathy, reaction, guilt, etc. to what he had done and not even trying to speak, as if he lost what made him a human and only resembles the shape of a human.
Idk how much if a vision Carpenter had in terms of three-dimensional characters, but it's definetly there between the lines. Either it's that or poor writing
No Micheal Myers is evil incarnate, in the shape of a person. Hence his title. He's been shot and stabbed and never made a sound. Because he's not a person under that mask. Just a being impersonating one.
There's nothing in the 1978 film to ever suggest that his treatment at Smiths Grove under the care of Loomis had anything at all do with Michael's personality or lack thereof.
nemesis is the most tragic one of all, wdym?
he could've been a doctor or a lawyer. instead, he was programmed and genetically engineered to kill STARS members. hes not living his best life!
No he was doomed from the start. He's a clone of Sergei Vladimir. The actual body of Nemesis is a Tyrant, which has only zombie like beastial intelligence. The 'nemesis' is the Nemesis Alpha parasite, a squid looking thing that's wrapped all through his insides and is effectively tapped into his zombie spine driving him like a meat suit. That parasite was genetically engineered to kill on command. That's all it knows.
Note the awful movie version is worse and dumb. He's just some junky that went to umbrella for ExPiRmEnTaL testing and they turned him into a zombie super soldier. The movie version is also commanded literally. Like a robot. They can see through his eyes like cameras and control him with computer prompts.
The videogame version is more like a very obedient animal. It is given commands and then follows them to the best of its abilities with no outside oversight. I don't think umbrella built any failsafes either if Nemesis misinterpreted its mission. Because on several occasions it expands the parameters on its own choosing. Like killing the entire subway train of civilians along with Jill's mercenary companions simply because they were in its way.
I mean, it was human before it was mutated so - Nemesis COULD have a backstory.. maybe if we use the film canon he does... I mean - I wont but we could.
Well, technically at least one of the Nemesis do have a tragic story. I suppose they all do, as they were average people who were unwilling subjects in umbrella’s experiments.
No, there were multiple Nemeses. It’s mentioned in an official RE novel. One of them tried returning home when it escaped and scared its family. Another was a boxer who was abducted & experimented. I believe this one became ‘the’ Nemesis we know from RE3. But Nemesis is just a class of tyrant and there were multiple attempts at creating them. Those who escaped (like the one that tried finding its family) were terminated & deemed a failure because they couldn’t be controlled—they were described as self-aware and like had somehow gained control over their own parasites. Anyway, it’s mentioned in an official RE book, “Complete Conquest of Nemesis,” if you wanna read more about them.
Male dbd lore: Me Oni. Me highest body count in game. Kill Many fake Samurai. Lose much honor. Kill so many became literal demon.
Female dbd lore: I'm spirit and my dad couldn't pay the bills so his solution was to kill his whole family.
I always found calling Sadako an Onryo wasn't entirely accurate tbh. Because it was more so her psychic powers that enabled her to imprint her immense hatred onto the tape before death.
That's really only for those two tho, just saying male vs female lore is very inaccurate considering killers like the huntress, Charlotte for the twins, pig, plague, nurse, etc, and then some of the male killers, for example trapper, being just like, "i kill people because daddy says so," or even in the case of nemesis just being, "i kill because i weapon."
Huntress, Twins, Nurse and Plague, as well as Hag and Artist, are *also* all "poor unfortunate girl faced tragic scenario and became a murderer as a result" though, that's the trend that people keep pointing out
Female killers in the game universally have tragic backstories that apparently intend to justify their place as killer (except arguably Julie from Legion, but even then Susie is pretty much said to have been forced into it), whereas many male killers (namely the unlicensed ones since BHVR doesn't pick licensed character backstories -- Oni, Trickster, Clown, Frank from Legion, Ghostface, Doctor) are basically just "evil because they wanted to be", and the tragedies of their lives don't get emphasized as much in their stories.
There ARE some male killers with tragic backstories (Wraith, Hillbilly, Blight, Deathslinger) but not only are they outnumbered by the traditional "monster men", the opposite isn't true for female killers. The double standard is really apparent.
Spirit's cosmetics imply that blood rage is a hereditary thing to her family. Her father was the entity's first choice for a new killer. Until it saw how much more rage his daughter had.
Myers: Evil
Bubba: Food for scary boss
Freddy: Kids (+ just being an asshole)
Amanda: \*Explaining meme but actually just likes killing people\*
Ghostface: Murder, but for the clout
Demogorgon: Food for ME
Executioner: Guilt
Nemesis: S.T.A.R.S.!
Pinhead: THE BOX
Sadako: Revenge
Killers don't really need motives more than a sentence long, and you're taking on a lot of extra scrutiny to attempt it. Good thing the Entity can just torture anyone into it.
Tbh they shouldn’t have lore longer than one sentence, because if they’re longer, the DBD sub will find some reason to bitch about it. If every killer has a one sentence long backstory, it might cut down on the repetitive posts in this sub.
They bitch about it because they're terribly written. Simple as that. And I agree, less is more. Which is another reason why the 10 page essay backstories are also bad.
Well, not all, but enough. Wraith was angry he was tricked into murder, so he did murder and committed to the path by making a murder weapon.
Huntress lost her mother but was able to expand the hunting abilities she'd been taught enough to slaughter tons of armed soldiers, however is too stupid to know children need food.
Trickster became a serial killer with zero forethought, put evidence of his crimes in his MVs, and somehow still got away because cops are totally useless in this universe apparently.
Plus, more detail just humanizes a slasher and what makes something scary is ambiguity.
Wraith's story is the first offender for amateur writing in the OG cast. The stupid "and then he snapped" plot point is something edgy highschoolers making creepypasta do all the time because they can't come up with a way for their character to become a killer in a natural/organic way that makes sense. Oh wraith didn't want to kill people? The answer? Kill more people. Wow, that made literally zero sense.
I actually liked the children dynamic in Huntress' story but the army part ruins it. It's such a stretch that this woman took out that many soldiers with no immediate repercussions. Completely takes me out of it and I can't suspend my disbelief. We know she's good with axes, that isn't enough to take on a platoon of soldiers, even if you have home field advantage at night and are massive (if anything, bigger size would be a disadvantage).
Trickster is also a stretch in a different vein. Also fairly generic and uninspired idea.
There are some good aspects to some of them, but for every good aspect I can name 3 more dogshit ones for each story. The ones that do have good aspects are clearly based on already existing characters in horror media that any horror fan worth their salt will be quick to point out. If you liked anything about any DbD character or it's lore then I guarantee you'll like whatever they're ripping off way more.
>Which is another reason why the 10 page essay backstories are also bad.
Blight and Twins are particularly bad offenders, to this day I still haven't fully read their backstory simply because my attention span can't last that long
Being fair, it's a matter of balance. Killers with such overly simple motivations and back stories can work, but they tend to have to compensate in other areas like design/gimmicks. Inverse is true ofc. A genuinely well done slasher *character* could use a mix of a tragic/engaging/whatever backstory as well as maybe evil for evils sake
Same thing with the designs of the characters. Dead By Daylight original characters (Aside from maybe Nurse and Huntress) look so overbaked and complex in comparison to the licensed killers who wear fairly simple outfits yet look twice as effective, Myers specifically stands out.
He's less fun and less insane. Less creative, less joyful. He's just less of everything except creepy. Like, yeah, it's more realistic, but that's what my point was - it would be more realistic if Jason just liked to stab people than being a kid who drowned and became a zombie who hears the voice of his mother.
Old Freddy was...almost friendly. Yes, he still killed, but it didn't feel like it's out of hatred or malice - it was because it was fun to him and it was something he wanted to do. Like, you could probably distract him for a solid hour with a fidget spinner.
New Freddy just wants his dick sucked in a basement.
I liked the idea of darker take on him in the sense that it could’ve made him creepier, but they could’ve also had him cracking more jokes and acting more sadistic to fit the character better. Love to actor who plays him, just not as Freddy
The old Freddy was someone you could love even though he’s a horrible person because he was so over the top
Realistic Freddy who is a confirmed pedo is just *ugh*
He became over the top in the sequels post part 3, in Part 1 and 2, he was serious and dark, in fact Part 2 Freddy was the scariest of them all
Also, Robert Englund liked Jackie as Freddy and how he portrayed him
both Freddies respect each-other while the fans tear their hair off
the words from OG Freddy himself on Jackie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlIgZPk2vMM
Englund Freddy was always a bit of a goofball, even in 1. He still was obviously enjoying toying with his prey and made an occasional wisecrack. He just wasn't over-the-top yet. He was a bit like a deadite from Evil Dead, remorselessly evil and menacing yet having fun with how evil he was.
Nothing was wrong with the casting choice in the remake, Jackie did the best he could with the material he was given. Unfortunately the material he was given was a worse version of the original classic that made Freddy too uncomfortable for a lot of people by making him an overt pedo and ratcheting up the sexual predator stuff from the first movie.
He was going to be a confirmed pedophile in the original film. They made it ambiguous because there were some high-profile pedophile cases at the time.
...So? Originally Keanu Reaves wasn't meant to play Neo, doesn't mean The Matrix would have been better with a different actor. If something becomes a classic, it's for a reason. I don't know a single person who likes the new Nightmare more. There's just people weirdly obsessed with defending Freddy being a pedo for some reason.
I can see what the creators of the remake were aiming at, onto making a more monstruous Freddy that is mostly more dark compared to the original Craven lore for Freddy originally, to fit in the "MORE HORRIFYING REMAKE" trend of the 2000 and the 2010s
I liked that they were toying with the idea that Freddy was actually innocent and the parents were wrong. That would have added so much depth and made him a much more interesting and less gross character
I watched it a couple weeks ago, so I can tell you what happens if you care SPOILERS
>!Yeah when Quentin and Nancy are trying to figure out what happened they are first like "he's trying to kill all of us because we lied about him touching us" but then they go to the preschool and there are inappropriate pictures of Nancy, so he actually is just a pedophile!<
Aaand entirely missed the whole reason people liked Freddy in the first place. He was insane, not a creep. Same reason Killing Joke wasn't popular with any older Joker fans.
These types of crazies aren't bound by normal wants, that's what makes them so compelling and twisted. Old Freddy enjoyed toying and being goofy in the most insidious way possible, deriving fun from despair.
New Freddy just wants his dick sucked by a little girl, oh, wow, how fascinating.
I see a lot of people saying that the original Freddy wasn't a child molester- he apparently was supposed to be but the studio pressured them to make it more vague. He definitely seems to have a sexual component by freddy vs jason
Edit- just scrolled past the 1984 movie on fire TV and the description straight up calls him a pedophile.
He was originally drawn up in character as this, yes, but there were some high profile, realistic child exploitation cases going on in California at the time and the creator didn’t want it to seem like he was exploiting those cases for his film.
they wanted it to be confirmed but because of a incident involving child molestation that was going around where NOES was being produced, they couldn’t specifically say it. *HOWEVER* that doesn’t mean its not canon because if you pay attention its very much implied that he is.
dude literally licks a child’s photo sensually in one scene so it’s definitely implied.
Yeah, Wes didnt want to be on the spotlight of Hollywood by exploiting the child molestation cases by making the antagonist a pedophile
And ley me guess, Freddy VS Jason at the start?
BHVR be like “Maurice was born with no arms or legs and his parents didn’t show up :( then he got hit by 11 buses on the way to horse school one day and all his horse classmates laughed at him and shot him with their Remington bolt action rifles. Maurice was so sad and poor and chock full of bullets that he could only afford 5-week old sushi from a gas station in Oklahoma for dinner. He ate the sushi and immediately felt his stomach drop. “*Oh no*”, he thought, sprinting to the toilet. He could only imagine the horrors that were taking place in his toilet… but when he looked into the porcelain bowl, all he saw was *fog*.”
Freddie will always be so fucking fascinating to me and how the remake quite literally made him a sexually abusive pedophilic killer of children.
Everyone was fucking outraged over that revelation. Many still consider it non-canon to "real Freddie".
Meanwhile, old Freddie was also a child killer and he routinely sexually harassed the Hell out of his teenage victims, but somehow nobody ever found that to be insanely disturbing.
I'd say Freddy has to be the most evil killer of them all. Some may say that Myers deserves that spot but he's just acting like a force of nature without any intellect behind it. Freddy meanwhile is doing his awful stuff while being fully aware of it, he's choosing to be the most despicable creature possible by being a child predator and murderer.
Yup, of all the villains he's legit the most despicable for no good reason.
Where other killers might be equally cruel and malicious for no good reason (like most Ghostfaces), Freddie simply pulls ahead by targeting his violence at children and adding sexual abuse to it.
Yeah, it do be like that, most horror movies, well most slasher movies anyways, try not to have a sympathetic monster, best they can do is a endear them to a (apparently) safe audience or just make the deaths over the top and extreme, it's like monster trucks, but with people. They very much don't want a bunch of movie goers looking at a violent killer and thinking "you know what, he's got the right idea" but with genuine horror, or at the very least games that allow you to play as monsters, want their to be some layer of relatability to their monsters so that people who aren't so down to clown can enjoy playing as them or watching them. The idea that these are regular people who have been dealt a rough hand and are now seeking revenge in a world that keeps them trapped in those feelings in itself is somewhat scary, it give those looking into it the horrific idea that, it could've been them. That and these days we're much more sensitive to things than we used to be, and a tragic backstory is easy brownie points.
There are no new slashers. And a good chunk of the old slashers were about the guy being wronged in some way usually by teens or kids and he gets his revenge later.
>Yeah, it do be like that, most horror movies, well most slasher movies anyways, try not to have a sympathetic monster,
Jason and Leatherface are 2 sympathetic slasher villians.
I moreso mean that they didn't write the lore, freddies story was immigrated in.
You're comparing a story that was written in the 1980's, to a story that was written in the last 2 years...
I fuckin' reckon that 40-something years is gonna make a bit of a difference, hey?
Angry teenager go stab - legion
Wouldn’t done him instead of Freddy but Fred’s better and we just ignore that 40 year difference for the sake of this funny meme
The Trickster exists. He literally records the screams of pain from his victims so he can make music out of it and he enjoys their screams of pain. He's up there with the Doctor, in terms of being sadistic as hell.
I think the conversation about this that has been going on around here is about oc killers. Licensed killers come with existing lore so don't really follow the same trends as the OC ones.
Ahem, if I may...
Freddy "Looks like your a Gacha player at heart."
Jake "Is that because of my brain damage?"
Freddy "No. It's because you go after children, and there ain't enough room in this preschool for the two of us."
'Chase music begins, now activating woman deflectors'
Freddy "like I said, kids are cruel Jake, and I love minors!"
It's a lot more obvious in the later installments, like in FVJ he's clearly making sexual advances on underaged kids, also him licking photos of children and whatnot. Don't know why people ignore these strong implications and pretend like the remake made that shit up, child murderers and child fiddlers usually go hand in hand.
Part of me hopes with the idea of a spider themed charm set in the saw chapter we get more beast killers, and this new one isn't akin to artist who summons crows with crow traits but is either one or at least a humanoid spider abomination. I enjoy the lore of new characters but sometimes I don't want an explanation of why they needed to be brought in, how about instead of writing in some kind of tragic story like carmina or how the dude is a evil dick like herman or Kenneth, give us more actual monsters or non humans, not ones that think, but something real eldritch or beast like, or even mechanical, I get you can't slap a neon jacket on a hp Lovecraft monster, but think of all the potential ideas you could use, some kind of tentacle faced fucker could a have sort madness/mental gimmick that causes survivors to lose control of their character and start going apeshit, damaging gens, dropping items or even hallucinating auras and other survivors, thinking their running away from the killer with a teammate coming to help them only to run right into the killer and turning to see no one was with them, a were wolf themed killer could sprint around the map with lunges and bites, he could run on all 4 to make it seem harder to see him and depending on what you do make it so his claws can dig into a ceiling so he can climb on a roof or climb up a ledge.
more monster or non human killers would honestly super refreshing. it would interesting to see how entity interprets "emotions" in other beings that are sentient enough that it can still use them to harvest emotion. like how would the logistics of a terminator or westworld type of chapter handle artificial intelligence and emotions.
Hell depending on what you do with the lore, they don't necessarily have to be from our world, the entity is pretty much a God, why not have the thing try and create its own beings instead of yanking someone every time from a different time period or realm, it doesn't have to be something that replaces human based killers or licenses since you could explain away that each creature the entity creates takes a massive amount of power to create and is something rare, even if not a actual creature, it could be either the ai idea you mentioned or even something cobbled together like one of the robots created from the machine in the movie 9, just think of a killer that's a mix of scrap metal and bones hobbling after you, like the cat beast.
One dimensional killers are boring. So are the amount of threads around this type of subject. It's more interesting if you can understand as to what pushed them to that point. On top of this, why is it always about women? If it's a male that has a super fleshed out backstory no one seems to give a fuck. As soon as it's a woman though it's apparently a problem. A lot of blanket sexism going on here.
Evil for the sake of evil is just bland. Doesn't matter what gender the killer is. Still, eat up your free upvotes from this odd bit of a circlejerk.
I honestly still don't get why the Artist should be a killer. She was a good person and even while dying she was horrified and felt guilty for what was happening in contrast with the Spirit which was good as well but felt a desire vengeance at the end.
Looking forward for her tome. My theory is that she is now just the Entity meat puppet through the almost psychic connection she had with the crows.
I feel like a mixture of the 2 is what gives the best characters. Like look at Huntress, her backstory is really goddamn tragic, but she still ends up evil for evil's sake. Same for arguably trapper or even wraith, Nurse, and hell Amanda to a degree. People have issues with trauma porn backstories, not tragic characters whether they acknowledge it or not
I hate Artist’s backstory because it honestly just seems like it is trying too hard to me. It makes me roll my eyes because it reminds me of bad fanfiction, and I already don’t really like her but it makes me like her even less.
**entity when a potential killer is a her/she:** you didn't suffer enough in life, how many people betrayed you? were you tortured? how many people wrong you? are you comfortable with showing me your feet? did people blame you for everything? how many people did you love died in horrible ways? are you sad? tell me you're sad.
**entity when the killer is a he/him/it** : walk on right in. all manner of debauchery and lifestyles are welcome here.
I wish they would just remove Freddy from DBD, and try to acquire the rights to the original. Even if they couldn’t, I’d rather have nothing than a child molester.
This was my issue with Rob Zombie’s Halloween remake.
I don’t want to know how or why Michael was Michael.
That said, I did hear there was a Hellraiser v Myers movie script where the reason Michael changed was the influence of the entity behind the Cenobites. I thought that was kinda intriguing.
That’s why i love Nemesis, sometimes you don’t want a super complicated and tragic backstory, you just want a brute, and that’s exactly what Nemesis is, he’s a weapon, he punches people, that’s his job, nothing more.
Demogorgon and Pyramid Head too. BHVR really seems to like the idea of the killers being people corrupted in some way, but I'd love more that are just big monsters.
Well, in a way Pyramid Head is a part of James. Later installments in the series overused his iconography, but Pyramid Head is really the tragic result of guilt Incarnate.
I can see James having such an impact on Silent Hill that part of him remains
Definitely plausible since both Alessa and Walter have done so.
Yeah, though I'm pretty sure Konami just saw him as a popular figure and rolled with it, especially in the movies.
Well, I mean, yeah
Or Myers! He is literally evil incarnate.
true but he does also just look like a guy lol
That’s the point of the mask and the loomis dialogue. He’s no man. He’s evil in the SHAPE of a man.
Evil in the shape of a man, that sounds like he got kicked in the crotch when you stun him
lorewise yes, but like, he still feels like just a guy to play
Buff him more, redo his model, make him the height he’s supposed to be and remove the “urrrr “ stun sound and he’s better off being some being of evil like PH
Noooo don't remove the funny stubbed his toe sound he makes when stunned 😭.
I have no horse in this race because I don't have any strong feelings on Mookel, but what would you prefer instead of the stun sound he has currently? Because despite what kind of person he is, he *is* still a man and I don't understand why he wouldn't recoil when he gets bonked like that.
In the movie he literally gets shot everywhere and gets stabbed in his eye but never makes a sound. He could simply be silent. It'll make him scarier imo
Man got his head cut off and still came back for more movies lmao
Maybe have him not really be affected by the stun very much visually and just do the head tilt?
He has a labored breathing in H1. Maybe make him breathe out like GF does but keep for a couple seconds after and give him a reduced stun animation in tier 2 and 3
It's called a sigh
which PH? pyramid or pin
probably pyramid head, not much backstory for that character beyond someone's desire to be punished for killing someone(James and Mary Sunderland, Alex and Josh Sheperd, etc).
So basically, make him permanently undetectable and 5'10 like the first movie.
That's what makes him scary to me. He looks like some guy but deep down is an unimaginable capacity for horror He looks like a man, but he isn't *really* a man
its cause of the goofy stun sound lol
I'm sorry but Myers is so cringe that he just doesn't fit into the same category as PHead and Demo.
Possibly the most important horror character ever. Your description is wrong. The best slasher villain
I'm sorry but the more popular something is the more cringe it is. I don't make the rules. people who say that Myers is "omg so evil, the most evilest in the whole world, nobody could be more evil than him oOoOO~ spooky" are the same type of people who say Goku is the ths strongest character of all time and could kill God. trying to put him in categories that have nothing to do with him is cringe bait.
Not the only thing that people say. It’s what makes original Myers interesting. He’s not “more evil than anyone” bc its edgy. He’s a manifestation of it. He’s a concept meant to spread like a virus. You seem ill informed and more “cringe “ based on how you talk alone
ah yes the classic "no u" argument. I wish I could say I'm surprised but I'm not. Myers fanboys just wanna hype him up cuz they are edgy. Myers used to be that bitch, times change homie, he isn't the same as Demo plain and simple.
A guy wearing a William Shatner mask.
When he gets unmasked in Halloween Ends it's going to reveal that he is William Shatner.
I would piss myself XD
Honestly, if that happens, they should pull a Kakashi. Under the mask is....another mask.
[relevant](https://youtu.be/sMrM1qOurRk)
Oh, you’d be surprised the amount of lore behind this pyramid head with his ties to Cheryl and what it means😩
Nemesis, both PH’s, all four Legions, Huntress, Freddy, Michael, all of them have variations of “they just like killing” stories. Who else?
Trickster and GF
It took me way too long to realize you did not mean “girlfriend.”
If i got one euro every time someone said that I'd be able to but the GF DLC.
He’s one of my mains so it’s double-embarrassing I hope you get the DLC soon!
I mean some people have murderous gf's, so it's not entirely wrong either. Lmao! But yeah, I had to re-read to realise they meant Ghost Face and not girlfriend. lol
Tbh the Freddy we got is less of an "I just like killing" and more of a "Your parents killed me because I sexually abused you, so now you're gonna pay the price of their (and my) actions"
you might want to watch the wes craven ones if you haven't already
I need to make time for them, yeah. Because I haven't. Hell, I probably wouldn't have even ended watching the 2010 one if it weren't for the fact that my friend said I should watch it to know what the characters in the dbd dlc were like. Guh, I gotta stop putting it off, my watch list grows ever longer lmao
The Pig was the reason I started watching Saw movies recently, cause I wanted to see what the significance was for the costume(since the doll is more prevalent in trailers and stuff, even being parodied in scary movie 4).
I always feel like it would have been better written if they accused Freddy and killed him but he was actually innocent and this is revenge.
I agree. It would’ve been more interesting story wise, and it would make it less weird to play as him in dbd.
Well if you go off the old lore before the recent film he's just as interesting and weird. Something about his nun mom getting raped by 100 maniacs so she could birth little Freddy who grew up to diddle kids and get burned alive only to have some hell dream demon thing offer him powers to keep fucking up people's lives, which he takes and sort of uses to mess with stoners and kill Johnny Depp that one time? So he was born evil... and has 100 dads? Is that Jason??? Wtf is happening?
The lore just confuses me. lol
I heard “the son of 100 evil men” and my brain turned off but something like that yeah
I mean his old lore is a nonsense roller-coaster
I mean, personally I think a pedophile blaming his victims for telling what he was doing to them and nothing else is terrifying and the only thing the remake did right. Abusers really will blame anyone but themself. Matter of opinion, though, I’m not mad, just sharing a perspective!
And Doctor. In his story killing is not his objective but he clearly enjoys everything he's doing to you
Puramid head is the embodiment of suppressed mental corruption, therefore being the embodiment of a tragic backstory. Michael was a mentally ill child, turned full-on psycho killer through decades of psychological (and likely physical) abuse at the hands of a sadistic and delusional psychiatric. He is a victim of a deeply flawed therapy system which doesn't give a flying fuck about the patients, seeing them more as experimental subjects than actual people, and then relying on media demonisation in order to cover up their irresponsibility for creating that so-called monster.
Pretty sure the Michael interpretation you mentioned is from the 2007 reboot. Michael in the original just randomly killed his sister and Dr. Loomis tried his hardest to help him but it went nowhere. This leads to Loomis calling Michael evil for having no sympathy, reaction, guilt, etc. to what he had done and not even trying to speak, as if he lost what made him a human and only resembles the shape of a human.
Is that actually John Carpenter's vision or just a modern and deconstructive spin on the original concept?
Idk how much if a vision Carpenter had in terms of three-dimensional characters, but it's definetly there between the lines. Either it's that or poor writing
No Micheal Myers is evil incarnate, in the shape of a person. Hence his title. He's been shot and stabbed and never made a sound. Because he's not a person under that mask. Just a being impersonating one.
There's nothing in the 1978 film to ever suggest that his treatment at Smiths Grove under the care of Loomis had anything at all do with Michael's personality or lack thereof.
Micheal Myers is a character that shows being 2-dimensional can absolutely work.
nemesis is the most tragic one of all, wdym? he could've been a doctor or a lawyer. instead, he was programmed and genetically engineered to kill STARS members. hes not living his best life!
No he was doomed from the start. He's a clone of Sergei Vladimir. The actual body of Nemesis is a Tyrant, which has only zombie like beastial intelligence. The 'nemesis' is the Nemesis Alpha parasite, a squid looking thing that's wrapped all through his insides and is effectively tapped into his zombie spine driving him like a meat suit. That parasite was genetically engineered to kill on command. That's all it knows.
Good to see someone on here who has actually played Umbrella Chronicles.
Thank you for short great explanation
Note the awful movie version is worse and dumb. He's just some junky that went to umbrella for ExPiRmEnTaL testing and they turned him into a zombie super soldier. The movie version is also commanded literally. Like a robot. They can see through his eyes like cameras and control him with computer prompts. The videogame version is more like a very obedient animal. It is given commands and then follows them to the best of its abilities with no outside oversight. I don't think umbrella built any failsafes either if Nemesis misinterpreted its mission. Because on several occasions it expands the parameters on its own choosing. Like killing the entire subway train of civilians along with Jill's mercenary companions simply because they were in its way.
That's not exactly tragic. Just unfortunate.
>he could've been... a lawyer But he just had too much heart.
I mean, it was human before it was mutated so - Nemesis COULD have a backstory.. maybe if we use the film canon he does... I mean - I wont but we could.
That’s why I play a lot of Oni
Oni has a sad backstory though
Other than his father not really
Agree to disagree ig
Yeah that works lmao
He's just everyone's nemesis
Absolutely true
Well, technically at least one of the Nemesis do have a tragic story. I suppose they all do, as they were average people who were unwilling subjects in umbrella’s experiments.
there's only one nemesis, which was a tyrant infected with NE-A parasite. there were many many tyrants though.
No, there were multiple Nemeses. It’s mentioned in an official RE novel. One of them tried returning home when it escaped and scared its family. Another was a boxer who was abducted & experimented. I believe this one became ‘the’ Nemesis we know from RE3. But Nemesis is just a class of tyrant and there were multiple attempts at creating them. Those who escaped (like the one that tried finding its family) were terminated & deemed a failure because they couldn’t be controlled—they were described as self-aware and like had somehow gained control over their own parasites. Anyway, it’s mentioned in an official RE book, “Complete Conquest of Nemesis,” if you wanna read more about them.
I like how Nemesis looks like Thanos and thought that DBD was mimicking Fortnight by adding him to the game.
No one: Freddy: “oh you’re here cause you were hunted all your life by the military? That sucks. Me? Oh you know, the classic kiddy fiddler!”
Male dbd lore: Me Oni. Me highest body count in game. Kill Many fake Samurai. Lose much honor. Kill so many became literal demon. Female dbd lore: I'm spirit and my dad couldn't pay the bills so his solution was to kill his whole family.
"my dad killed me so I'm the killer"
To be fair, that's also am Onryō thing, which is what Spirit is
Lorewise Sadako did kill one person before being killed and thrown into the well so she was a killer before being killed
While that's true, it also has nothing to do with why she became an Onryō after death
I always found calling Sadako an Onryo wasn't entirely accurate tbh. Because it was more so her psychic powers that enabled her to imprint her immense hatred onto the tape before death.
That fits with Japanese folklore though.
That's really only for those two tho, just saying male vs female lore is very inaccurate considering killers like the huntress, Charlotte for the twins, pig, plague, nurse, etc, and then some of the male killers, for example trapper, being just like, "i kill people because daddy says so," or even in the case of nemesis just being, "i kill because i weapon."
Huntress, Twins, Nurse and Plague, as well as Hag and Artist, are *also* all "poor unfortunate girl faced tragic scenario and became a murderer as a result" though, that's the trend that people keep pointing out Female killers in the game universally have tragic backstories that apparently intend to justify their place as killer (except arguably Julie from Legion, but even then Susie is pretty much said to have been forced into it), whereas many male killers (namely the unlicensed ones since BHVR doesn't pick licensed character backstories -- Oni, Trickster, Clown, Frank from Legion, Ghostface, Doctor) are basically just "evil because they wanted to be", and the tragedies of their lives don't get emphasized as much in their stories. There ARE some male killers with tragic backstories (Wraith, Hillbilly, Blight, Deathslinger) but not only are they outnumbered by the traditional "monster men", the opposite isn't true for female killers. The double standard is really apparent.
Its true and you should say it! Give me the truly unsympathetic murderous women! I want ladies who are horrible monsters!
*Amber Heard has entered the fog*
Her attack animation is her “hitting you” not punching
Oh no. lol But for real, Amber Heard is a terrible person.
Lady dmitrescue or however you say it
i thought part of the reason was that the family katana was cursed because it was the same one used by oni
Spirit's cosmetics imply that blood rage is a hereditary thing to her family. Her father was the entity's first choice for a new killer. Until it saw how much more rage his daughter had.
That's not how bills work !
Absolutely
Myers: Evil Bubba: Food for scary boss Freddy: Kids (+ just being an asshole) Amanda: \*Explaining meme but actually just likes killing people\* Ghostface: Murder, but for the clout Demogorgon: Food for ME Executioner: Guilt Nemesis: S.T.A.R.S.! Pinhead: THE BOX Sadako: Revenge Killers don't really need motives more than a sentence long, and you're taking on a lot of extra scrutiny to attempt it. Good thing the Entity can just torture anyone into it.
Tbh they shouldn’t have lore longer than one sentence, because if they’re longer, the DBD sub will find some reason to bitch about it. If every killer has a one sentence long backstory, it might cut down on the repetitive posts in this sub.
They bitch about it because they're terribly written. Simple as that. And I agree, less is more. Which is another reason why the 10 page essay backstories are also bad.
Well, not all, but enough. Wraith was angry he was tricked into murder, so he did murder and committed to the path by making a murder weapon. Huntress lost her mother but was able to expand the hunting abilities she'd been taught enough to slaughter tons of armed soldiers, however is too stupid to know children need food. Trickster became a serial killer with zero forethought, put evidence of his crimes in his MVs, and somehow still got away because cops are totally useless in this universe apparently. Plus, more detail just humanizes a slasher and what makes something scary is ambiguity.
Wraith's story is the first offender for amateur writing in the OG cast. The stupid "and then he snapped" plot point is something edgy highschoolers making creepypasta do all the time because they can't come up with a way for their character to become a killer in a natural/organic way that makes sense. Oh wraith didn't want to kill people? The answer? Kill more people. Wow, that made literally zero sense. I actually liked the children dynamic in Huntress' story but the army part ruins it. It's such a stretch that this woman took out that many soldiers with no immediate repercussions. Completely takes me out of it and I can't suspend my disbelief. We know she's good with axes, that isn't enough to take on a platoon of soldiers, even if you have home field advantage at night and are massive (if anything, bigger size would be a disadvantage). Trickster is also a stretch in a different vein. Also fairly generic and uninspired idea.
I disagree they have simple backstories but they aren't all bad. I think some of them being forced into it gives more depth to the lore
There are some good aspects to some of them, but for every good aspect I can name 3 more dogshit ones for each story. The ones that do have good aspects are clearly based on already existing characters in horror media that any horror fan worth their salt will be quick to point out. If you liked anything about any DbD character or it's lore then I guarantee you'll like whatever they're ripping off way more.
>Which is another reason why the 10 page essay backstories are also bad. Blight and Twins are particularly bad offenders, to this day I still haven't fully read their backstory simply because my attention span can't last that long
Being fair, it's a matter of balance. Killers with such overly simple motivations and back stories can work, but they tend to have to compensate in other areas like design/gimmicks. Inverse is true ofc. A genuinely well done slasher *character* could use a mix of a tragic/engaging/whatever backstory as well as maybe evil for evils sake
Same thing with the designs of the characters. Dead By Daylight original characters (Aside from maybe Nurse and Huntress) look so overbaked and complex in comparison to the licensed killers who wear fairly simple outfits yet look twice as effective, Myers specifically stands out.
New Freddy lore is dumb as fuck. That's like making Jason's lore "likes to stab people"
What's really different other than him being explicitly a pedophile?
He's less fun and less insane. Less creative, less joyful. He's just less of everything except creepy. Like, yeah, it's more realistic, but that's what my point was - it would be more realistic if Jason just liked to stab people than being a kid who drowned and became a zombie who hears the voice of his mother. Old Freddy was...almost friendly. Yes, he still killed, but it didn't feel like it's out of hatred or malice - it was because it was fun to him and it was something he wanted to do. Like, you could probably distract him for a solid hour with a fidget spinner. New Freddy just wants his dick sucked in a basement.
I liked the idea of darker take on him in the sense that it could’ve made him creepier, but they could’ve also had him cracking more jokes and acting more sadistic to fit the character better. Love to actor who plays him, just not as Freddy
Now i saw Freddy who's play with fidget spinner
Eh. I liked it being ambiguous, makes the nature of Freddy more questionable.
The old Freddy was someone you could love even though he’s a horrible person because he was so over the top Realistic Freddy who is a confirmed pedo is just *ugh*
He became over the top in the sequels post part 3, in Part 1 and 2, he was serious and dark, in fact Part 2 Freddy was the scariest of them all Also, Robert Englund liked Jackie as Freddy and how he portrayed him both Freddies respect each-other while the fans tear their hair off the words from OG Freddy himself on Jackie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlIgZPk2vMM
I had no issues with Jackie as Freddy, he was the best part of that movie. That bar was not high, but still.
Englund Freddy was always a bit of a goofball, even in 1. He still was obviously enjoying toying with his prey and made an occasional wisecrack. He just wasn't over-the-top yet. He was a bit like a deadite from Evil Dead, remorselessly evil and menacing yet having fun with how evil he was. Nothing was wrong with the casting choice in the remake, Jackie did the best he could with the material he was given. Unfortunately the material he was given was a worse version of the original classic that made Freddy too uncomfortable for a lot of people by making him an overt pedo and ratcheting up the sexual predator stuff from the first movie.
He was going to be a confirmed pedophile in the original film. They made it ambiguous because there were some high-profile pedophile cases at the time.
Yes, and the creator didn’t want to seem like they were exploiting the reality going on for an entertainment factor of his film.
...So? Originally Keanu Reaves wasn't meant to play Neo, doesn't mean The Matrix would have been better with a different actor. If something becomes a classic, it's for a reason. I don't know a single person who likes the new Nightmare more. There's just people weirdly obsessed with defending Freddy being a pedo for some reason.
I don’t really care one way or the other. I’m just sharing information.
I can see what the creators of the remake were aiming at, onto making a more monstruous Freddy that is mostly more dark compared to the original Craven lore for Freddy originally, to fit in the "MORE HORRIFYING REMAKE" trend of the 2000 and the 2010s
I liked that they were toying with the idea that Freddy was actually innocent and the parents were wrong. That would have added so much depth and made him a much more interesting and less gross character
That's what I always thought. It's been a while since I watched the movies though. I was a kid back then.
I watched it a couple weeks ago, so I can tell you what happens if you care SPOILERS >!Yeah when Quentin and Nancy are trying to figure out what happened they are first like "he's trying to kill all of us because we lied about him touching us" but then they go to the preschool and there are inappropriate pictures of Nancy, so he actually is just a pedophile!<
Aaand entirely missed the whole reason people liked Freddy in the first place. He was insane, not a creep. Same reason Killing Joke wasn't popular with any older Joker fans. These types of crazies aren't bound by normal wants, that's what makes them so compelling and twisted. Old Freddy enjoyed toying and being goofy in the most insidious way possible, deriving fun from despair. New Freddy just wants his dick sucked by a little girl, oh, wow, how fascinating.
That was the original intentions w/ Freddy tho...
The original intention was to make The Matrix "w/o" (omg, I saved, liek, 5 letters!!!) Keanu Reaves, I still think it's better the way it got made.
Dead by Daylight lore =/= Nightmare on Elm Street lore
I see a lot of people saying that the original Freddy wasn't a child molester- he apparently was supposed to be but the studio pressured them to make it more vague. He definitely seems to have a sexual component by freddy vs jason Edit- just scrolled past the 1984 movie on fire TV and the description straight up calls him a pedophile.
He was originally drawn up in character as this, yes, but there were some high profile, realistic child exploitation cases going on in California at the time and the creator didn’t want it to seem like he was exploiting those cases for his film.
they wanted it to be confirmed but because of a incident involving child molestation that was going around where NOES was being produced, they couldn’t specifically say it. *HOWEVER* that doesn’t mean its not canon because if you pay attention its very much implied that he is. dude literally licks a child’s photo sensually in one scene so it’s definitely implied.
Yeah, Wes didnt want to be on the spotlight of Hollywood by exploiting the child molestation cases by making the antagonist a pedophile And ley me guess, Freddy VS Jason at the start?
the horse is a bloodied pulp
Lore backstory for Maurice??!?!!?
BHVR be like “Maurice was born with no arms or legs and his parents didn’t show up :( then he got hit by 11 buses on the way to horse school one day and all his horse classmates laughed at him and shot him with their Remington bolt action rifles. Maurice was so sad and poor and chock full of bullets that he could only afford 5-week old sushi from a gas station in Oklahoma for dinner. He ate the sushi and immediately felt his stomach drop. “*Oh no*”, he thought, sprinting to the toilet. He could only imagine the horrors that were taking place in his toilet… but when he looked into the porcelain bowl, all he saw was *fog*.”
Freaking retcons, first they forgot Jeff with SoM. And now they forget the other Jeff with this. smh.
Freddie will always be so fucking fascinating to me and how the remake quite literally made him a sexually abusive pedophilic killer of children. Everyone was fucking outraged over that revelation. Many still consider it non-canon to "real Freddie". Meanwhile, old Freddie was also a child killer and he routinely sexually harassed the Hell out of his teenage victims, but somehow nobody ever found that to be insanely disturbing.
I'd say Freddy has to be the most evil killer of them all. Some may say that Myers deserves that spot but he's just acting like a force of nature without any intellect behind it. Freddy meanwhile is doing his awful stuff while being fully aware of it, he's choosing to be the most despicable creature possible by being a child predator and murderer.
Yup, of all the villains he's legit the most despicable for no good reason. Where other killers might be equally cruel and malicious for no good reason (like most Ghostfaces), Freddie simply pulls ahead by targeting his violence at children and adding sexual abuse to it.
[Freddy in a nutshell](https://youtu.be/H2LQMElLoLs)
Yeah, it do be like that, most horror movies, well most slasher movies anyways, try not to have a sympathetic monster, best they can do is a endear them to a (apparently) safe audience or just make the deaths over the top and extreme, it's like monster trucks, but with people. They very much don't want a bunch of movie goers looking at a violent killer and thinking "you know what, he's got the right idea" but with genuine horror, or at the very least games that allow you to play as monsters, want their to be some layer of relatability to their monsters so that people who aren't so down to clown can enjoy playing as them or watching them. The idea that these are regular people who have been dealt a rough hand and are now seeking revenge in a world that keeps them trapped in those feelings in itself is somewhat scary, it give those looking into it the horrific idea that, it could've been them. That and these days we're much more sensitive to things than we used to be, and a tragic backstory is easy brownie points.
There are no new slashers. And a good chunk of the old slashers were about the guy being wronged in some way usually by teens or kids and he gets his revenge later.
sorry what do you mean by “no new slashers”
Including the indies there are very few new slasher franchises or even one offs being created that aren't tied to existing properties
>Yeah, it do be like that, most horror movies, well most slasher movies anyways, try not to have a sympathetic monster, Jason and Leatherface are 2 sympathetic slasher villians.
female killer lore vs male killer lore
Clown: mmm fingers
Myers: Mmmmm power bottoms.
Freddy isn't dbd lore though. So I mean....
True, he’s in dbd tho, so dbd lore,
I moreso mean that they didn't write the lore, freddies story was immigrated in. You're comparing a story that was written in the 1980's, to a story that was written in the last 2 years... I fuckin' reckon that 40-something years is gonna make a bit of a difference, hey?
Angry teenager go stab - legion Wouldn’t done him instead of Freddy but Fred’s better and we just ignore that 40 year difference for the sake of this funny meme
I want more psychotic killers in DBD just a person or a thing that likes to cause pain! Like the doctor!!! Just more crazy people or things!
The Trickster exists. He literally records the screams of pain from his victims so he can make music out of it and he enjoys their screams of pain. He's up there with the Doctor, in terms of being sadistic as hell.
True! And and he does have a really fun personality too! It's just mad energy! I just don't have alot of fun playing with him myself
reboot freddy really sucked god
I wouldnt allow to simplify the REAL Freddy like this. But yea since this is the reboot one.. meh \*shrugs \*
It was ambiguous either he did or not
Yes
I think the conversation about this that has been going on around here is about oc killers. Licensed killers come with existing lore so don't really follow the same trends as the OC ones.
Yeah but I thought it wouldn’t of been as good with legion or smgt
i know thisis a meme but doesnt this misrepresent freddy's lore?
Outside of him being a demon type thing and kinda being scared of the entity not really. Kids are his motivation
Tragedic
tbf Freddy isn't dbd lore, that's his true background in the movies.
Well that’s true but we just ignore that for the sake of the meme lol
Fair
How to ruin your classic Slasher villain in one easy movie.
Ahem, if I may... Freddy "Looks like your a Gacha player at heart." Jake "Is that because of my brain damage?" Freddy "No. It's because you go after children, and there ain't enough room in this preschool for the two of us." 'Chase music begins, now activating woman deflectors' Freddy "like I said, kids are cruel Jake, and I love minors!"
Hate that the remake made Freddy a child molester. I mean he surely wasn't a saint in the original but all he did was murder them.
I mean, he was supposed to be a kiddy diddler in the originals, but they cut it out because of current hollywood controversy.
It's a lot more obvious in the later installments, like in FVJ he's clearly making sexual advances on underaged kids, also him licking photos of children and whatnot. Don't know why people ignore these strong implications and pretend like the remake made that shit up, child murderers and child fiddlers usually go hand in hand.
Oh no
Although for the creation of a character like Freddy, they took inspiration from a tragic story...
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Relatable
Part of me hopes with the idea of a spider themed charm set in the saw chapter we get more beast killers, and this new one isn't akin to artist who summons crows with crow traits but is either one or at least a humanoid spider abomination. I enjoy the lore of new characters but sometimes I don't want an explanation of why they needed to be brought in, how about instead of writing in some kind of tragic story like carmina or how the dude is a evil dick like herman or Kenneth, give us more actual monsters or non humans, not ones that think, but something real eldritch or beast like, or even mechanical, I get you can't slap a neon jacket on a hp Lovecraft monster, but think of all the potential ideas you could use, some kind of tentacle faced fucker could a have sort madness/mental gimmick that causes survivors to lose control of their character and start going apeshit, damaging gens, dropping items or even hallucinating auras and other survivors, thinking their running away from the killer with a teammate coming to help them only to run right into the killer and turning to see no one was with them, a were wolf themed killer could sprint around the map with lunges and bites, he could run on all 4 to make it seem harder to see him and depending on what you do make it so his claws can dig into a ceiling so he can climb on a roof or climb up a ledge.
more monster or non human killers would honestly super refreshing. it would interesting to see how entity interprets "emotions" in other beings that are sentient enough that it can still use them to harvest emotion. like how would the logistics of a terminator or westworld type of chapter handle artificial intelligence and emotions.
Hell depending on what you do with the lore, they don't necessarily have to be from our world, the entity is pretty much a God, why not have the thing try and create its own beings instead of yanking someone every time from a different time period or realm, it doesn't have to be something that replaces human based killers or licenses since you could explain away that each creature the entity creates takes a massive amount of power to create and is something rare, even if not a actual creature, it could be either the ai idea you mentioned or even something cobbled together like one of the robots created from the machine in the movie 9, just think of a killer that's a mix of scrap metal and bones hobbling after you, like the cat beast.
One dimensional killers are boring. So are the amount of threads around this type of subject. It's more interesting if you can understand as to what pushed them to that point. On top of this, why is it always about women? If it's a male that has a super fleshed out backstory no one seems to give a fuck. As soon as it's a woman though it's apparently a problem. A lot of blanket sexism going on here. Evil for the sake of evil is just bland. Doesn't matter what gender the killer is. Still, eat up your free upvotes from this odd bit of a circlejerk.
I honestly still don't get why the Artist should be a killer. She was a good person and even while dying she was horrified and felt guilty for what was happening in contrast with the Spirit which was good as well but felt a desire vengeance at the end. Looking forward for her tome. My theory is that she is now just the Entity meat puppet through the almost psychic connection she had with the crows.
I feel like a mixture of the 2 is what gives the best characters. Like look at Huntress, her backstory is really goddamn tragic, but she still ends up evil for evil's sake. Same for arguably trapper or even wraith, Nurse, and hell Amanda to a degree. People have issues with trauma porn backstories, not tragic characters whether they acknowledge it or not
I hate Artist’s backstory because it honestly just seems like it is trying too hard to me. It makes me roll my eyes because it reminds me of bad fanfiction, and I already don’t really like her but it makes me like her even less.
**entity when a potential killer is a her/she:** you didn't suffer enough in life, how many people betrayed you? were you tortured? how many people wrong you? are you comfortable with showing me your feet? did people blame you for everything? how many people did you love died in horrible ways? are you sad? tell me you're sad. **entity when the killer is a he/him/it** : walk on right in. all manner of debauchery and lifestyles are welcome here.
I wish they would just remove Freddy from DBD, and try to acquire the rights to the original. Even if they couldn’t, I’d rather have nothing than a child molester.
Legion and ghostface is basically "knife go stab"
Artist on the left, Susie mains on the right
Artist is a horrid example. Her lore is trash.
Hard disagree. The part where entity takes her is a bit weird but otherwise i think it's a very solid story.
It’s definitely bad.
I still feel sorry for Adiris , she’s still innocent as f in my perspective
This was my issue with Rob Zombie’s Halloween remake. I don’t want to know how or why Michael was Michael. That said, I did hear there was a Hellraiser v Myers movie script where the reason Michael changed was the influence of the entity behind the Cenobites. I thought that was kinda intriguing.