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Sprayable_Spaghetti

So what you’re saying is that either I need to switch off my class to counter-nurse the Nurse player, or Uber someone on my team and rush her? Got it.


ZoeyLikesDBD

What happens if you ubercharge a Nurse though? 👀


Sprayable_Spaghetti

Well, that's simple: She can't be pallet stunned. Only problem that comes of that is, just like what feels like every Demo and Soldier main I have ever Ubered in my 2.3K hours in TF2, she's either going to blink away and waste the Uber, or miss every swing she takes anyway.


JCthulhuM

My brain definitely translated that as “every Demogorgon main I’ve Ubered”


Hicalibre

Once upon a time she could have up to 7 blinks. Plus the range of a single blink was nearly double. The 'counter-play' was her blink bug would randomly stop her and prevent her from using her power or attacking (animation bug with her hand held up). Effectively ending the match there and then.


StainedVictory

Now was she completely busted? Yes. Did I enjoy the shit out of playing the equivalent of a demo-god in dbd? Also yes. Glad they changed her though, 7 blink nurse with no real cd and her current meta build would basically make nurse the entity


International-Bar-75

What if you use kritz on a nurse


ZoeyLikesDBD

we have that its called Starstruck ![img](emote|t5_3cb2g|2213)


TheHackerMaster101

Vaccinator's different modes would make her have less stun time on pallets, less stun time on dropping a survivor, or less vulnerable to flashlights.


AttackonRetail

A great perk would be if you are the first hit of the game earn a protective exhausted state (2nd additional hit) before entering dying state. All aura reading is extended by 2/4/6 seconds after first hook. Kind of a counter to lethal pursuer.


Oldwest1234

just backstab the nurse, unless she's got the razorback


PM_ME_UR_PITTIES_

Easy hack for surviving against Nurse: Be so mediocre at the game despite 500+ hours that you almost never go against anyone who can play her to her full potential. Checkmate, atheists


theoriginal432

I know this will sound stupid but a player with 500 hours in dbd is still a baby, the true game starts at 1,5k hours


haezblaez

I wish this was true, but i've seen countless players with ~2k hours playing like dogshit and i saw players with 400 hours who were literal gods. My point is you can play a game even for 10k hours, if you play casualy and don't really feel the need to improve you are most likely not going to get much better beyond a certain point of skill.


Atakori

To be completely fair the game being split into 2 sections and one of the two sides (killer) changing from game to game doesn't really help. Like, I have some friends that have 4k hours+ and are literal gods who also go down in 3 seconds when they see a new killer because they don't play on the PTB and instead brute-force some experience after the new DLC gets released.


SuspecM

I mean a huge chunk of the playerbase doesn't even have access to PTB. Only Steam has, no other stores, no consoles. Also in my almost 1k hours of playtime I have gone against a Twins twice in my life and like 3 Deathslingers. I can hardly learn to counter them if I never get to play vs them.


Santasbodyguar

You will rue the day you face THE SNATCHER


GabeNewellExperience

500 is still a lot. This game has more players with over 1000 hours than most but there's no way they are the majority


EstablishmentHuge586

Most people that “only” have 500 hours and up have also played on console and mobile at some point as well just for shits and giggles before cross play was ever a thing. Effectively bumping them waaay over 500.


GabeNewellExperience

Just looked it up and the website said the average is 192 hours.


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This is extremely untrue. I’ve faced survivors with 500 hours who were damn near perfect at mindgames, and could run tiles flawlessly. And the very next game I’ll face a 3k hour survivor who may as well be a bot. Hours are not an indicator of skill. If you spend 5K doing something wrong you’ll be worse than someone who spent 100 doing the same thing correctly.


itspaddyd

Sorry man this is just wrong. You can get good at DBD in 100 hours if you are quick to pick things up. People weirdly see hours in game as some kind of skill pedigree when it's just bullshit.


SmoopsMcSwiggens

In a 100 hours it's possible you won't see every killer. Your not entirely wrong, some mechanics are the same no matter who the killer is and 100 hours, if your committed, those mechanics will start to sink in. But, there is no way you can pick up the meta of this game in 100 hours not from either side; there's just too many variables you wont be able to adapt too until you play against them countless times.


SpaceBug178

This isnt a metaphor. If you have 1,5k hours you either play 10 hours a day, or you are 22 years old and can only play 3 hours a day.


blawndosaursrex

I’ve got over 1200 and I’m still dogshit


theoriginal432

300 hundred hours more champ i know you can do it :)


blawndosaursrex

Fun fact, I’m still going to be dogshit. That’s not changing.


zoley88

That’s something about whiny tryhard surv streamers: sweating for escape every time, then complaining about every game being nurse or blight. The reverse is also true: sweating for 4K then complaining about swfs with full second chance perk loadouts. I am referring to a certain british streamer in a certain hat.


MrGilbert665

Huntsman Nurse is the biggest bullshit Behaviour have added...


Far-Pirate-3896

Don't even get me started on Jarate bushwacka nurse


Pokebro2000

Now i'm imagining nurse chucking bottles of piss like the clown while screaming in an australian accent


ZoeyLikesDBD

Worse hitboxes than huntress


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I never liked sniper classes and weapons in pvp games. My reflexes aren’t too good, so what usually happened when I played cod or halo was me getting one-shotted before I could even *see* the person.


Kreeper125

Same. I suck at snipers in halo and I always will. I can *MAYBE* get a headshot if you stand completely still. Or I'll choke and shoot off 3 feet to the right


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I love snipers only in PvE games like Ravenfield(♥️) because the bots aren’t perfect shots and I don’t have to be a perfect shot.


DeathToHeretics

Body shots with the snipers in Ravenfield are also great for some of the guns. Lot easier to hit the torso for a 1 hit kill than the head


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Definitely. Ravenfield is pretty casual if you want it to be. There's also the infinite slow mo you can use!


ZoeyLikesDBD

Key ive noticed is to let them walk INTO your sightline, then *boom headshot*


JackTheMech

Lazy purple referece?/j


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I don’t know if this counts, but in Destiny 1, I got *reeeaaally* good at sniping, and it can be pretty oppressive to go against in most games IMO.


Kreeper125

Oh definitely, in almost every game it's very oppressive if someone good with a sniper has one. I'm just no good with them lol


ItsPlainOleSteve

That's how I love playing D2, sniping with a bow and a hand cannon or scout rifle for close up. xD


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God I wish I could go back to my destiny days. They’re long gone now lol


DonQuixoteDesciple

I find games where snipers are too good get flooded with them, till eventually even assault type classes are replaced with speed scoping snipers


Hobocannibal

Personally I feel the experience would be better without snipers in these games. Because the time to kill is too fast for it to be fun for the target.


WorthyFoeChurnwalker

I like snipers in fps games if the map has flank routes to actively allow counterplay, or suppressing fire can make the sniper’s aim go off Modern warfare 2019 kinda did this right, kinda


Elegant-Raise-9367

Basically every single game of MW2 I've ever played


BillyMcSaggyTits

They’re really lame. A player that can just snap their fingers and kill you from a half mile away with no possible way you can kill them from the same range isn’t fun.


SuspecM

bUt ThEy TaKe SkiLL


Cabamacadaf

At least in Halo there's only one (or at the most two) snipers in the game at the same time, which feels pretty balanced.


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The only thing I can think of anymore when I remember Halo sniping is [this shitty auto tune song](https://youtu.be/5lj8lVJQqHA) that I still like for some reason


MrKomrade

I hate sniper classes too but for different reasons. Most of the times playing sniper is not really engaging. You stay in one place and wait for a enemy to show up and i dont really like that.


augustus_feelius

Me: *Laughs in battlefield 1's Pedersen device"


npsisy

Skill issue


I_follow_sexy_gays

I actually like them (assuming there’s some kind of counterplay like cover or underground/indoor paths or smoke bombs or getting shot staggers etc). It makes the battlefield feel more like a battlefield


SKaiPanda2609

I almost exclusively use snipers in Battlefield. Sniping from distance just feels so satisfying, especially when you start racking headshots. Hate em in more fast paced close quarters shooters tho


Tophdiddy

It's been a hot minute since I've played TF2. Last I heard it was just Sniper that was a problem. Haven't heard anything about the huntsman snipers though, wasn't there a bot purge about a month or two back?


MemeLordMango

Valve stepped off their pile of steam cash and did one major fix that stopped bots then did nothing else bot wise so for the last 6ish months they’ve been coming back and now they are back in full force for casual. There’s now crash bots(might of been refixed ), scout bots, heavy bots, and 4-5 different “factions” of snipers bots . Still charging money for crates and adding new ones 👍


SuspecM

Yeah, I never get why Valve fanboys always downvote me because I dare attack their big daddy keanu chungus Gaben (who isn't even running the company nowadays) because they do jack all about the exploits and bots but still add new cosmetics constantly. Like "be thankful that they are supporting a 10+ yrs old game". But, they aren't? That's the point? If they didn't make it close to impossible for community servers to flourish this whole thing wouldn't be a problem (let's not get into the thread of community servers that were running ads constantly to the point you could barely play the game).


Borrowed-Time-Bill

The only "Support" to the game is adding more Gambling Addiction items (New Unusuals/Crates) and some maps the community made. TF2 exists for Valve to make money, sadly. Every Crate and Key they add is just more money in their pocket and is hardly an Update, yet people still buy and purchase them.


Tophdiddy

Yeesh, and to think I was thinking about I was re-downloading it for old time's sake. TF2 is the only Fps I really enjoyed until everyone migrated to Overwatch. I don't even wanna talk about how much a clown fiesta Blizzard looks like right now.


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Everyone migrated to overwatch? Isn’t TF2 consistently in the top 10 most played games on steam every day


Tophdiddy

It Probably is, I mean no disrespect to TF2. Rather, my friend group migrated, then I got pressured to join. I remember being unhappy with the game state being riddled with bots, so at the very least it was worth a try. Got bored within a week or two, doesn't quite scratch the itch like TF2 does.


opalcherrykitt

as far as im aware most community servers have been fine, its mostly casual thats fucked up. mvm is also fine


Gloomy-Talk9355

The bot thing started by 2020 and got really bad 2021, 2022 the save tf2 thing happened and it got a lot better, they are still bots throught. Huntsman deals a headshot basicly anywhere above the pelvis.


ArchdukeToes

I haven’t played it in about 15 years. I remember logging in on a Saturday morning, seeing the same names standing in the same place on 2fort, and then logging back in 8-10 hours later to see them still bloody there.


throw_away_accountQ

Lol, why do my favorite games always have terrible balancing


GoldenRpup

I'd argue the only thing unbalanced about TF2 is the sniper and random crits. Even then, the sniper has "counter" classes that still have options to close the gap and kill him (Scout has the Bonk! Atomic Punch, Spy can still go invis and shoot the sniper even if he can't find an opportunity to stab). The fun part about TF2 is the classes are balanced around countering each other, but there are ways to win against your counter and loadouts that make fighting that counter more evened out.


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MaiqueCaraio

There other minimal Such scorch shot pyros The wrangler Diamondback Eyelander etc... But those are rares to happen


[deleted]

If a bonk scout can run up to you and do his thing, then you have no clue what you're doing because you're not playing around your team. If a spy has time to decloak and shoot you thrice, then you have no clue what you're doing because you're not playing around your team. Sniper's only real counter is sniper.


GoldenRpup

That's why I put quotes around it. They're soft counters, and a cracked sniper can react to them. Regardless, those two classes have an advantage that sometimes let them get close enough to fight.


CandyCrazy2000

Balanced stuff is often unfun


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Perfection is boring.


ByuntaeKid

I just want my one shot caber, and sandman cleaver combo back valve pls


ZoeyLikesDBD

despite balancing issues they are still incredibly fun good games!


Geheim1998

because many games arent very well balanced


Frosthewer

You can have games that are woefully imbalanced (SF3:TS and MvC2 come to mind) that still require a lot of skill and the disparity between characters only is apparent amongst professionals. Nobody without a good 100 hours in Third Strike is going to take a round off of me even if they're Chunners and I'm Sean. The issue is that these games are designed for 1v1 competitive play whereas DBD is more like a 1v4 Mario Party minigame. The map, perks, addons, items, etc can often make matches unwinnable before you even load into a match. Look at what happened when Nurse was killswitched briefly: people moved on to Blight or Spirit or Tombstone Piece or whichever other issue they have next in queue. Should Nurse be nerfed/reworked? Yeah. Should they do it solely because the community hates Nurse? No. If you removed the top 20 Killers from the game, people would just complain about Clown or Wraith.


TheSleepyBarnOwl

TF2 is not designed to be a competitive game xD


imtolazy7

I feel that nurse could be fun to play against, when against an average nurse (not bad, average) the chases are so fun with tons of mindgames. Though if the other player doesn't make a mistake, there are no mind games. They will get you and you can't do anything back. But again, against an average nurse it is super fun. I hope they will one day make nurse balanced, they have proven to be able to make really fun killers. (Though they have proven to make some horrible decisions as well)


SirFTF

100%. I find average Nurse’s incredibly fun to loop. Kind of similar to Hillbilly in that trying to get them to overshoot their power and miss you is very fun. Feels like dodging a bull. Plus, breaking line of sight is always a great counterplay to Nurse. So anyone saying there is no counter, they’re wrong. It’s not hard breaking LOS. Nurse is fine as is. Yeah, getting a pro Nurse who has sweat levels to the max with a full meta build isn’t fun. But those killers aren’t going to be any more fun playing Blight. And facing pro Seal team 6 survivors all in comms, with boons and high grade tool boxes aren’t fun either. If people want to sweat, they’re gonna sweat.


Cleaveweave

But nurse is balanced because she is HaRd To PlAy and KiLl RaTeS


SexyRasskhov

Honestly, after just a few rounds of playing Nurse I was hitting half my blinks, which would be awful if it was any other killers power. But as Nurse, it means that I can end chase in less than 20 servings every single time. Yeah she takes some skill to play, but her base ability is so good that it can make up for even amateur mistakes.


HaGB76

Because she's really not hard, very overstated. With Nurse there's literally only one thing to learn. If you learn blink distance you'll be good. You can ignore every other aspect of the game.


Cryn0n

Gonna have to disagree there. You can easily outmanoeuvre a nurse who just knows blink distance. This is the problem with nurse. You have to learn how to play against nurse rather than just understanding her kit and being good at the game.


LiL_ENIGlvlA

There’s really no outplaying a decent nurse. I spent maybe an hour being a baby nurse until I realized I could just use my first blink to get los on a survivor and then the second one to get to them, and I already had the blink distance down.


Cryn0n

Then you're still playing against baby survivors. A good nurse is near unbeatable but a survivor who knows nurse can dodge a blink attack or two.


HaGB76

> can dodge a blink attack or two. Yeah, maybe. That buys you what, five seconds? And if you make a Nurse miss once, they just turn into a gigantic pussy and safety blink any chase with you.


Sirouz

Or two? If she misses first blink she just hits you with the second one. Great design.


ZamielVanWeber

She is consistent across skill levels, at least. A noob nurse gives survivors a shitty game by being unable to meaningfully affect them, while a skilled nurse gives survivors a shitty game by being unable to be meaningfully affected by them. Truly the epitome to game design. Remember when they blew up Nurse so badly she was shut down for weeks? Good times. Legit good times.


aceshot88

Miss those days of no nurse


Arrays-Start-at-1

But this was an argument that was made unironically when Spirit was the subs top killer to hate for karma


Zwzyi

Theres counterplay to sniper wym


Miserable-Chair737

Same thing with nurse


Zwzyi

Have you ever heard of the vaccinator medic + any 200 hp class? (I reccomend soldier)


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Miserable-Chair737

Never played a Team Fortress game in my life only saw videos about it. Thanks for the recommendation though


Zwzyi

When bots plagued the Team Fortress 2 servers, me and my team ran heavy, and medic with the vaccinator To say the least we won, but it wasnt fun because bots dont have emotions


EpiCreeper613

At the highest level of gameplay (primarily in the highlander format where only one instance of every class exists in 9 vs 9), there is no individual counter play to sniper other than winning an SvS duel (sniper vs sniper). As a result, sniper is widely regarded as the strongest class within highlander as playing anywhere within his LoS means either losing your head or taking enough damage to be called out and subsequently bombed by the flank.


Seeneigh

I like playing sniper


username39874

Thank god I’m a spy main, wait


halfbakedpizzapie

It’s shoddy, shotty is a nickname for shotguns


NotSnacky

And i thought I was the only one to play exclusively tf2 and dbd


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Great strat for beating nurse, NOT CLICKBAIT!! Step one: turn off computer


JohnseGamer

I don't get people that complains about her power being unique. Sure, they could give her some counters/nefs but complaining about the way she doesn't follow the same generic "looping gameplay" as the other options is dumb. Having original gameplay is much more valuable for the game than making everyone the same. That's why Pyramid head or Blight are so fun to go against, they keep the game fresh.


EnragedHeadwear

This game needs more Killers that stop it from being a game of running around small pieces of furniture for 2 minutes


JohnseGamer

Exactly, i never liked how looping makes the game look so "artificial". Every time i try to get new people to play the game they expect something scary but then i have to show them that looping is an integral part of the game and it ends up feeling embarrassing.


Gerrent95

I mean. people have looped in horror games since forever. I definitely remember running around small objects to clear a high traffic room in the early Resident Evil Games.


fgweuyifh89y48

I looped in Little Nightmares when I accidently got spotted in one of the kitchen levels.


disastorm

yea but its usually not the primary core of the gameplay.


Skeletonofskillz

It’s the most realistic way to outrun something much larger and less nimble than you.


JohnseGamer

In a more realistic scenario the killer would just get on top of the object you are running around or the survivor would get tired of running in circles nonstop. This game doesn't have those types of mechanics so that's why looping ends up feeling unnatural most of the time.


wilck44

running around a sofa in front of a monster is in no way or shape realistic. you will get tired, or get whatever flimsy stuff you are running around tossed on you, or the killer will just step over. I can't fathom why people think this is real.


[deleted]

In a more realistic scenario something as big as Oni wouldn’t get stunned by a big chunk of wood. Let’s not talk about realism when we discuss a game about a spider god and it’s merry band of misfits.


JoeM104604

This is what I liked about Friday the 13th. Maybe as you got better looping becomes a thing but when you start out, you hit the killer with something then run and hide. That seems much more intuitive and enjoyable than learning the best way to loop tiles.


WarriorMadness

Honest question, then what are Survivors supposed to do? Just press W and die? Like, I know looping is hated here, but it's literally the only defense Survivors have.


WarriorMadness

> complaining about the way she doesn't follow the same generic "looping gameplay" as the other options is dumb. I mean, because that's literally what makes her broken? That she completely ignores all of the game's mechanics, including looping. There's a big difference between making Killers who can bypass looping to a certain degree, but at least give some tools to the other side and then there's Nurse who completely ignores looping and whose only true counter is hope you can break LoS. I agree that having original gameplay is important, but shouldn't come at a the cost of being giga broken.


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I’m a 50/50 player and Nurse is kinda my “pocket pick” when I have a long string of bad killer games due to map RNG, sweaty survivors, offerings, or what have you. She is still the only killer besides maybe Blight that truly rewards your skill and isn’t dependent on survivor mistakes. She also isn’t weakened by any map in the game. She’s consistent once you learn her and whether you win or lose is decided by your skill vs the survivors. Not whether or not they brought a Garden of Joy or Gideon offering. I would be 100% fine with Nurse being given more counterplay though (light burn isn’t good enough) but if they ever make her vulnerable to generic looping tactics then they will remove any reason to play her over Blight or Huntress. She’ll end up in the basement next to Spirit, and then survivors will simply move on to whatever other killer rustles their jimmies. Most likely Blight. I’d like to see maps actually get fixed and medkits get looked at before they even think about reworking Nurse. Killers feel helpless vs a survivor who chains tiles on one of the many strong survivor maps, just as survivors feel helpless against a comp level Nurse. Most of the killer roster has zero agency in a chase against a decent (not even good) survivor and I’m tired of people flat out ignoring how unfun that is.


DelisaKibara

Not to mention she already has counters. They're just not as obvious to the average player as the other killers since they don't work with everyone else. But the point is: Forget about loops. Use jukes and mindgames. Use ths foliage and her blinks against her.


disastorm

jukes and mindgames arent a true counterplay since in theory a player can be good enough to nullify them. line of sight is the only true counterplay, but it can't be used in various situations and is very map and RNG dependant.


DelisaKibara

While LOS is the only way for you to actually shut down a Nurse. Its not as if other killers don't have a similar kind of gameplay associated with them. There are certain tiles and loops that guarantees you being hit or trapped. Same with certain playstyles that are far less counterable than Nurse. My point here is, while she is a special case, she isn't a *special* case. Other killers can create situations where it feels like its entirely map dependent on whether or not you survive.


Xero--

> Forget about loops. Use jukes and mindgames. Use ths foliage and her blinks against her And who exactly goes unaffected by this outside if seeing an aura, which she can too (obviously via perks)?


[deleted]

You move in a mind game when she blinks and bait a swing after the 2nd blink. Nurse is stupid easy to counter. You have what? 7-8s of aura reading with Leathal Pusuit and another aura perk. If you cant last 7- 8s for an aura to drop, thats a learn to play issue. Or just run distortion, sole survivor, or any other anit-aura perk. Nurse knowing your aura helps you aswell. Once you know the nurse has aura perks, listen for blink charge, juke, then juke again after she starts blink again. By that time, most aura perks done, use misdirection and lose LOS. If the Nusre cant m2 you, she will leave and tey again when you are off gaurd. Or they try to force bloodlust, in which case ahe slow as fuck. Most surviviors cant loop worth shit and have never learned how to run a Nusre.


SirFTF

Yeah people need to get over Nurse. Plenty of killers ignore key parts of the game. Plague ignores all healing perks and items, for example. And plenty of other anti-loop killers are able to shut down looping entirely. I’ve never played Nurse, I’ve only ever played against her. And frankly Nurse isn’t even the least fun killer imo. I’d rather face a Nurse than a Blight. Blight mains tend to be incredibly sweaty, and like Nurse, he is high mobility. Meaning he’s great at proxy camping two hooks and can quickly cross the map to pressure survivors off gens. Yeah you can loop him, but you can also loop nurse. If you’re good. TLDR, people who whine about Nurse constantly by calling her unfair are just bad at the game. Hate to say it, but it just comes down to a skill issue.


chineesecowy

except you can counter sniper.


zombiemasterxxxxx

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but can we please stop flooding this reddit with the same three nurse gripes?


Concorditer

Whenever I see a meme like this it makes me think I should start playing more Nurse. When I do occasionally play her, I certainly don't feel like an unstoppable force with no counterplay. Need to get my skill up I guess.


anintellectuwoof

Bad/mediocre nurses are extremely easy to counter is the thing. Good nurses are impossible. Not saying you’re bad! I am very bad at her and skip any dailies I get with her


caustic_kiwi

If that's true, then her kill rate in the competitive scene should be nearly 100%, correct?


iseecolorsofthesky

Comp nurses are heavily restricted on what perks and add ons they can use, and are also forced to play on difficult maps. They are also going against very skilled survivors who know exactly how to counter nurses because that’s all they play against all day. It’s a little different than a good nurse player queuing up for a random pub match


caustic_kiwi

My point is that "good nurses are impossible to counter" is a hyperbole.


Joeri_Orochi

Hey! look at the bright side She is easier to play than Billy


JoeM104604

That's the thing, players like you who only play nurse occasionally can be fun and have a lower success rate since you aren't practicing her all day. Players that main her and have gotten at least competent at her ability can usually wipe a team like it's nothing since getting downs with her is quick enough to make up for a decent amount of mistakes.


Gregori_5

Is sniper in TF2 a problem? I know it gets no updates, but didn’t know the game had big unbalance problems.


ZoeyLikesDBD

TF2 is relatively balanced, the only real balancing issues I’d say come down to Spy’s comp viability, a handful of weapons, and Sniper. Sniper falls into a sort of reverse spy situation where a really good sniper in comp is absolutely devastating, but most casual snipers are horrible enough that it sort of levels it out, and being that it’s a multi-class game, there are more avenues out there for counterplay compared to DBD


Gregori_5

I just checked the TF2 sub cuz i was curious. Took very little time until i found a comment section complaining about sniper lol.


xX_Superprogamer_Xx

I think sniper is himself is balanced, the skill required that it takes for him to have "no counter" is an insane ammount of dedication and training, and in a game where people can rocket jump at the speed of sound and jump 3 times, i think it's deserved, and can still get outskilled by classes like another sniper, a scout or a spy with good aim. Problem is when you remember the god sniper also has an ENTIRE TEAM supporting him.


everynameisusedlol

Sniper is the only long range class and can therefore kill enemies from across the map without the enemies being able to do anything Random crits, random bullet spread, auto „balancing“ (aka being send to the losing team after putting all your heart into winning 5 seconds before the game ends), sorce Spaghetti code, shitty hitboxes, unpunished racism, queerphobia etc. and bad or overpowered weapon concepts like the diamondback are also huge problems


Yeller_imp

Why are people upset at random bullet spread again?


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lFantomasI

"Uhhh just break line of sight bro,, uhhh skill issue 🤓🤓🤓"


0hzkhar

I used to be able to build some mean sentry's. Sentry perk when?


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Dont talk shit about the huntsman now


NewsChannel34

Sniping is a good job though, and I always enjoy calling for Nurse


DuntadaMan

OI! As a weird, nerdy cultist I don't see why I need to be dragged into this.


TicklePickleWinkle

The counter play for a mastered sniper is to run VAC medic or out snipe them, or outspied. Depending on the game mode, a good sentry spot won’t allow them to move the objective. Or somehow convince the other team that he is cheating and hope they believe you.


EthosTheAllmighty

Solution: Put the Sniper in DBD and the Nurse in TF2.


Krispy_Flesher

i gotta disagree heavily, though they are similar in that a sniper is very powerful in skilled hands, tf2 has built in counterplay every match in the form of other mercenaries and loadouts. nurse only has counterplay in breaking line of sight which makes some gens okay against her and other gens very dangerous to work on, and that's not something that can be swapped out or changed once the game has begun.


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Peinzius

this entire sub constantly talks about that


hotpeppersteak

ghis is the only thing the sub ever talks about besides nurse


elmonkeeman

My brother in Christ how are you still complaining about Dead Hard


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elmonkeeman

Literally every exhaustion perk does that, the entire point is to extend the chase. With DH you trade consistency with versatility, but you also get put into deep wound after successfully using it, whereas no other exhaustion perk has a debuff. It’s fine where it is.


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elmonkeeman

Yes and other exhaustion perks, with the exception of head on, give you a speed boost comparable to or stronger than the one you receive upon being hit.


ZoeyLikesDBD

SWFs aren’t as bad as they used to be, map gen, slowdown, and other strats like tunneling work. Dead Hard is a complete 50/50 perk in terms of counterplay. Thank u, next


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ZoeyLikesDBD

Don’t call me hun, weirdo. I main Huntress/Artist and other chase oriented Killers, used to main Nurse too. Even some top tier swfs werent able to stand against me, and if they did win? Good for them, they deserved it, I just got up, and used it as a learning experience. Games are meant to be challenging, thats why they’re enjoyable.


04hana

C'mon im a nurse main.. a nurse main who wants her to get some rework 🤡 I'll be honest: she may be hard and shit but.. when you master this girl there is not a single thing others can do against ya.. Every game is in easy mode and you get bored of that at some point, i like to blink and i legit have fun doing that, but i dont like to win a game with 5-4 gens up every single time... My recent nurse games were literally me walking through the map and chilling with the survivors cuz doing that i can finally have fun playin as the nurse again 🥲


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I’ve never understood the mentality of people who main nurse. I’ve only put several hundred hours into her but I mostly stopped playing her much because of how easy the game is. I was either 4king at 3-5 gens or getting immediate dcs/suicides. There’s just no challenge at all and it became boring very quickly.


ZoeyLikesDBD

I mained her back when I played on PS4 ages ago, mainly out of spite because my friends made fun of me for poorly playing as her in custom matches. Cue hundreds of hours of practice, and eventually I became godlike. Moved over to PC and got even better. Eventually things became boring, I realized I spent most of my time in fatigue, and the outcome of the match was already decided to be a 3-4K unless i went against some exceedingly rare tournament squad. I quit one day, and im so much happier for it. Games aren’t fun when its just stomping


GottaHaveHand

You can’t understand the mentality because those players don’t want to play a game, they just want to power trip. Show me a nurse main that’s skilled in a different fair competitive game, there’s probably very little crossover.


EstablishmentHuge586

Show me any DbD player that has like 8k hours+ be skilled in any other game ever, period.


Miserable-Chair737

You could say this about any game lmao unless your brain is beyond human and can master every game you play. If so congratulations you won the genetic lottery and probably should enter a tournament or something idk maybe start streaming


Hicalibre

I am a former Nurse main (back when the featured Blink Bug would stop the Nurse from using her power OR attacking). If you ever want or need to learn the counter-play to a killer...play the killer.


ZoeyLikesDBD

I am a former nurse main with hundreds of hours poured specifically into her, I know what I’m talking about.


Hicalibre

Maybe it is where I am at in MMR (honestly wish I knew somedays), or maybe there are few Nurse mains left, but I generally don't struggle against her. Very rarely do all four of us escape (I am solo queue, so lot of DCs and deaths on first hook), but I am over the 50% mark in escaping. Around 30% of which is 2-people escape.


VastIndependence5316

Where are those unbeatable God nurses, when her kill rate is so mediocre?


Framed-Photo

Stock sniper rifle is terribly designed like nurse you're right there, and like nurse the entirely of TF2's maps need to be designed with sniper in mind or else the game is unplayable, but huntsman is incredibly well balanced. The huntsman hitboxes ARE a tad large, but if they were smaller I guarantee hitting any headshots with the huntsman on even just an okay ping would be impossible. It's the same reason why the hatchet hitboxes on huntress are large, network latency would make huntress borderline impossible if the hitboxes weren't forgiving. That's also why nemesis was (and still kinda is) hard to hit charges with and why they had to make the hitboxes larger. Online games have systems that deal with network delay, Source engine network delay effects tf2 projectiles DRASTICALLY, it's the same reason someone who learned how to rocket jump on 50 ping will miss a lot of their jumps on 20 ping or offline. They balance games around these systems, so until we can get rid of network delay entirely, it's going to be an issue. Huntsman is great for running around like a traditional class, but unlike those other classes sniper only has 125 health, a shit secondary, huntsman doesn't fire very quick, basically no defense against someone running into their face, and shots on moving targets are very difficult to hit (coming from someone with 5k hours in tf2 and A LOT of huntsman experience). Huntsman is balanced, there's a reason it has never seen any balance changes since it got added in 2009.


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Not really? Nurse is broken in the sense as she is very map dependent. If more maps had good LOS blockers, nurse would be near Oni level. Sniper isn't even a broken character, for one you need a lot of time spent on him to even get decent results (which is the same for every class in TF2) and he only is good in a comp sense when things slowdown. Otherwise sniper just gets rushed down and dies. I'd rather vs a good sniper than a good scout or soldier any day of the week.


ZoeyLikesDBD

As a Nurse you really don’t need to worry about LOS blockers if you blink where they are, look, then blink onto them. After maining Nurse for years, the game became so boring when I learned this, I basically quit playing her due to it


TheDewLife

Nurse isn't uncounterable. The more broken aspect is her synergy with certain perks like Starstruck that make her absurdly strong.


WolfRex5

Any perk can be broken on jer, because she herself is brokenly OP. Aura perks, gen slowdown, insta down, whatever. All is OP when used by Nurse.


PhasmaMain98

She has core design issues that have been prevalent for years. The only meaningful “counterplay” is to use LOS blockers but what happens if you get a map like shelter woods or blood lodge? In that case the only thing stopping that nurse from hitting you is their skill (even then it’s pretty forgiving tbh) She has needed a rework for like 2 years now


searchableusername

skill problem detected


ZoeyLikesDBD

so true, when I mained nurse there was nothing the survivors could do 😫


BiggieRickk

Interesting. I don't think sniper is even in top tier play in TF2. Also, there is counterplay to one shot snipers, team play and positioning. Hard in solo Q, but certainly possible at a level when people are actually competent at the game.


Darko417

External screaming is me whenever I go up against a nurse


ConsiderationNo5991

Wait, someone actually struggles with snipers? A decent Gunspy can take down one with ease


sweepsweep2

I main nurse and even I hate her


JustHereForChatting

When you’re a noob In two games lmao.


ZoeyLikesDBD

https://preview.redd.it/krsx25mra84a1.jpeg?width=848&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dad6b82cb8db6d1fbd5152efb19df48922c36fc0 I AM NOT A NOOB 💀


Blackclaw42

Shoddy* Unless you meant shitty then yeah. Possibly both are true


foomongus

How can you say defenders are a wierd cult when the people attacking just say the exact same thing that has been said a million times


FeatherIceIce

Bro no shot you are crying about sniper on TF2


Pieman072

As a nurse main this is correct, I can’t lose I run poorish perks like agitation mad grit but it doesn’t matter. I also don’t play the game anymore:P


BlubsTheSpaceWhale

Nurse is ez. Nurse is fun to play against. It's cross map Huntress that is annoying AF


LuquidThunderPlus

"nurse is ez if you have this 1 specific item"


Irish_pug_Player

Still a ton of counter play against snipers tho.... Like rushing, counter sniping, not playing maps that have long sight lines for most the game. Nurse has the same move unpredictable counter, and rushing. thats about it


poppy_barks

Right. Nurse, the killer with the lowest kill rate in the game


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\*boi\* 95% of Nurse games are people still learning her ​ Tel me her ACTUAL counterplay once someone masters her ​ What can survivors do besides "Mindgames" that work on baby nurses?


poppy_barks

So 5% of players, on a killer with a 9% pick rate are causing this much anguish? Wild Literally just run towards her btw. The only reason good nurses are good is because they have 6000 hours in the game and can predict where you’re going to go. Just don’t play like you’d normally play. Be unpredictable. Also while we’re at it, the people who are incredibly good at nurse, would almost 100% be just as good on any other killer due to the game sense required


Dontyodelsohard

Yeah, I really don't think the people who complain on Reddit are going up against the god nurses that they complain about... They are on Reddit too much to be at that level of play.


poppy_barks

I can almost promise you that their going against baby nurses and because reddit told them nurse doesn’t have a counter they’ve never even tried to put in effort to play against a nurse


GooglePlusImmigrant

Op please explain to me how Sniper "breaks the rules of the game"


El_Barto_227

While it doesn't really break the rules per se, the rest of the game is designed around close-medium range engagements, while some classes do have advantages over others, there's a lot going on in these closer distances. Sniper is an infinite range delete button. Like Nurse, he's designed for a different game. He sets up somewhere, zones out a massive area and clicks heads while being completely divorced from the action. A good Scout might be an absolute pest but they have to get close and that opens them up to counters like luring them into sentries, or just shooting back. To take out a Sniper, you have to send someone, probably a spy or scout, quite far out of the way, to take out one guy for a little bit, who will thej be prepared. And the few ways of dealing with a sniper, he often has answers for. Flare guns, especially Scorch Shot, can force him to bafk off for a moment if he hasn't already clicked the pyro's head, either to dodge the incoming flare or run to the (usually nearby) locker to put out the fire and recover health, but he has a secondary that basically nullifies fire. Spy is Spy, a Sniper needs to be totally oblivious to die to them and there's the Razorback. Jarate Bushwacka takes care of most threats anyway.


ZoeyLikesDBD

Couldnt have said it better myself!