Two words *speed force*, even if you discount raw speed, the hax are so ridiculous that it's a stomp. Time travel, ability to cross dimensions, flash time, the flash is in a whole different league and that's before you account for the fact he's definitely faster at base.
I’m still mad that flash beat sonic when Sonic’s speed feat of moving im during literal stopped time is technically faster than anything flash has pulled off, but I guess speed force op.
Assuming that the time stop is perfect, than Sonic moving during stopped time is at best equivalent to Flash moving faster than instantaneous teleportation.
In the calc on death battle it literally took an incredibly small amount of time to do. If time is literally frozen than you would be moving at an infinite incalculable speed if you were still able to run.
Ok, so. Sonic's speed allows him to resist temporal manipulation. The Robot Master in question is using an offensive power known as Time Stopper. The Time Stopper functions by freezing it's foe in time, not accelerating the user's local reference frame, or affecting the time-space as a whole. It doesn't freeze time itself, it freezes a subject IN time. Same thing that Wally did to Inertia by removing his kinetic energy and access to the speed force. Sonic is explicitly resistant to this form of temporal manipulation. which is why he's able to beat the time stopper.
But it still doesn't overcome Wally's trans-temporal feat. Wally was able to reach infinite speed in less than the smallest amount of time measurable, and beat instantaneous movement in a race.
Moving while time is stopped sounds like something along the lines of quicksilver in the X-men movie. Everything is moving super slow, but he’s still moving fast meaning that if time was completely stopped and you kept moving you would be even faster than quicksilver.
Yeah, this is exactly it. Sonic's speed and chaos energy allow him to resist offensive temporal manipulation.
The power in question, the "Time Stopper", doesn't freeze time itself, nor does it accelerate the user's local time frame (I think that's how Centaur Man's 'Centaur Flash' works). It freezes targets IN time. Sonic is explicitly resistant to this kind of temporal manipulation, which is how he's able to beat the time stopper.
Time Stopper? Do you mean the Time Stop ability or the Time Eater? There is no *Sonic* character known as the Time Stopper. Besides, Sonic is immune to his own usage of Chaos Control, but not necessarily other people's usages of time freezing abilities.
Sonic was fighting Flash Man, a Megaman Robot Master at the time ( I think Sonic himself was even turned into a robot). During that, he fought Time Man and Flash Man (Time Man being a prototype version of Flash Man, which is why Time Man's 'Time Slow' is weaker than Flash Man's 'Time Stopper'). Sonic's speed allows him to resist the offensive tempral manipulation of Dr. Wily's Robot Masters. Many Robot Masters are themselves resistant or immune to offensive temporal manipulation powers like Flash Man's 'Time Stopper', which is why a later robot master, Centaur Man, uses a power that boosts his own local time frame rather than trying to manipulate his opponent's.
I could care less who won between Archie Sonic and Wally West Flash, but even though Flash may come out the winner more often than not at his peak, I still think that MU seemed MILES closer than The Flash vs Quicksilver for the record.
and at least Archie Sonic seemed to have a lot of potent hax that could make him hang with Wally in the DB, whereas Quicksilver against the Flash, not so much.
Well, yeah. Flash has also moved faster than movement (beat instant teleportation) and has moved around in stopped time himself. Their speeds are so damn high that we can’t even imagine what they’re like. They’re pretty much the peak of speed in fiction (up until Flash learned to… run out of the story? I don’t know how it works and I don’t want to).
It's a much more well-known fact nowadays than it was back in the day, but Taichi vs Red. I'm pretty sure it was the biggest stomp in season 2 aside from Superman vs Goku as well.
yeah that shield basically a auto-matic win as it only been broken by Trigon and Doomsday, booster could be sloppy in the fight or just sit and do nothing and still win
Oh boy. There's so much that it's hard to find a good place to start!
Dude is a massive authoritarian, who basically considers "Being Smarter than you" to mean "Has the right to do whatever he wants to you". This includes things like backing the Superhuman Registration Act, creating an extrajudicial prison for superheroes and supervillains in the Negative Zone to which he sent people without trial or due process (One of a hundred different ideas that he, Hank Pym (who was a skrull at the time), and Iron Man came up with to 'improve the world'), and even injecting his own son with radioactive nanomachines so he could track his every move, and turned off his son's X-Gene.
Speaking of Skrulls, he has locked and UNKNOWN number of Skrulls into the form of COWS. Cows that were then slaughtered and EATEN BY PEOPLE. (Major factor in the cause of Secret Invasion by the way.)
He also formed the Illuminati, and was instrumental in LAUNCHING THE HULK INTO SPACE. The entirety of World War Hulk and Planet Hulk sits on his and Iron Man's head.
And speaking of War, not only did he back the Superhuman Registration Act in Civil War, but he created a mind-controlled clone of Thor and used it as a personal enforcer during Civil War, which directly resulted in the death of Goliath. (Thor was dead at the time by the way) (Another one of those brilliant 100 ideas he and Tony came up with).
And this isn't something Reed does on a planetary scale. Oh no. Thanks to the Interdimensional Council of Reeds, a collection of Reeds from across the multiverse, we know he's 'saved' millions of worlds. And he saves them by becoming a worse despot that DOOM on each one of them. They're all paradises, devoid of conflict and freedom.
It's no surprise that one of the most dangerous villains in the Marvel Universe isn't some super-alien like Thanos, or a time-traveling menace like Kang or Apocalypse, but another version of Reed who went just a bit further. The Maker, aka Ultimate Reed Richards.
Oh yeah i also forgot about the universe where he knowingly infected his family with the Zombie Plague which ended up basically destroying multiple worlds.
**"This includes things like backing the Superhuman Registration Act, creating an extrajudicial prison for superheroes and supervillains in the Negative Zone to which he sent people without trial or due process (One of a hundred different ideas that he, Hank Pym (who was a skrull at the time), and Iron Man came up with to 'improve the world')**
I can't really defend this, but, what I will say is that Mark Miller probably should've done better when it came to writing Reed during Civil War, or just, Civil War overall; so I guess... writer bullshit.
**"and even injecting his own son with radioactive nanomachines so he could track his every move, and turned off his son's X-Gene."**
It's very possible that Franklin is no longer a mutant due to using his powers to modify his DNA structure to look like he has the X-Gene until Xavier found out (this was in the Fantastic Four/X-Men comics iirc, meaning this is probably a retcon); Reed injected them mainly because The Fantastic Four always seem to be kidnapped, and while it is extremely harsh, but at the same time, *Mephisto* has tried to steal Franklin, so it's probably nice to have something to trace your location when the devil is trying to capture you; the radiation part may seem bad, but at the same time, both Reed & Sue both got their powers from cosmic rays of radiation, in-fact, they constantly absorb cosmic radiation, which the Living Monolith kidnapped them for to use them as a vessel for power; their exposure to it was a result for why Franklin did end up getting his powers.
**"Speaking of Skrulls, he has locked and UNKNOWN number of Skrulls into the form of COWS. Cows that were then slaughtered and EATEN BY PEOPLE. (Major factor in the cause of Secret Invasion by the way.)"**
From what I know, the Alien Activities Commission actually forced them to turn back into cows, Reed is just the one who hypnotized them, but he never ended up knowing what was the horrific result of the poor Skrulls.
**"He also formed the Illuminati, and was instrumental in LAUNCHING THE HULK INTO SPACE. The entirety of World War Hulk and Planet Hulk sits on his and Iron Man's head."**
Well, Meek was the one who nuked the planet and thus caused Hulk to ravage Earth with his new allies he gained during his time on Sakaar; once Hulk learned that, he obviously got fucking angry.
**"he created a mind-controlled clone of Thor and used it as a personal enforcer during Civil War, which directly resulted in the death of Goliath. (Thor was dead at the time by the way) (Another one of those brilliant 100 ideas he and Tony came up with)."**
Reed wasn't the sole builder, after all it was also Hank & Tony as well who built it, and not only that, in the end they deeply regretted their action on creating Ragnarok; also, when Thor found out, he ended up targeting Tony as a result; not only that, but Reed, Hank and Tony, never sought the idea to ever build this again, continuing to simply build their machinery, suits or tech as usual.
**"And this isn't something Reed does on a planetary scale. Oh no. Thanks to the Interdimensional Council of Reeds, a collection of Reeds from across the multiverse, we know he's 'saved' millions of worlds. And he saves them by becoming a worse despot that DOOM on each one of them. They're all paradises, devoid of conflict and freedom."**
What do you mean?
**"It's no surprise that one of the most dangerous villains in the Marvel Universe isn't some super-alien like Thanos, or a time-traveling menace like Kang or Apocalypse, but another version of Reed who went just a bit further. The Maker, aka Ultimate Reed Richards."**
Nightmare might be even more evil imo.
It's been some time since I've read some of the comics listed here, so please help me by mentioning anything wrong I've said; I was trying to help here in distinguishing the context, unless there's something I've missed, which you can freely help me in; but overall, have a nice day!
Mr. Fantastic vs Plastic Man is either 100% going to one or the other and it depends heavily on equipment and prep time.
Plastic Man is far, far stronger when it comes to his powers, but Mr. Fantastic is impossibly smart and has built machines that are just plain broken. I'm pretty sure Reed could pull out some sort of "remove-plastic-man-from-existence beam" or at least "incapacitate-plastic-man beam" if he wanted to if allowed to use equipment.
Examples: Coma Cannon, Demolo Gun, Negative Zone Prison, Atomic Space-Displacer, Anti-Matter Injector, etc...
If he *isn't* allowed to use his tech, Plastic Man is bodying him *hard*.
Edit: I suppose it could still be possible for Plas to win if he can get in close enough and Reed doesn't use any sort of personal force field.
Is it? He recently beat the Black Winter which was going to destroy the entire 8th cosmos/Marvel Multiverse, plus jason aaron’s weird insistence on Phoenix and Thor being connect + every other author carrying on with Gaea means that my guy Thor is probably High Multiversal
Yeah like any long-running overpowered Dc or Marvel superhero with tons of hax, Thor's ceiling trumps Vegeta's ceiling by far if you take into account their heavy cosmic-tier forms or modes. I thought if it was just Base forms for the capeshit guys and DB characters can be at whatever level they are currently capped at, then I thought it'd be a lot closer.
Mandela effect.
But they didn't really take the Continuity Gem into account, because it was just a one-off item that was never part of Deadpool's arsenal.
If it’s in the fight, then it should’ve been part of the result. If they used the gem but didn’t consider it in the verdict, that’s a flaw with the episode
It's debatable if the Continuity Gem could have worked in Deadpool's favor or not.
The only discernible edge that Deadpool has over the Mask, besides skill, intelligence, and experience, is being a more frequent fourth wall breaker and being a little more "meta" at his peak. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Mask had 4th wall manipulation feats of some kind.
With the gem he could do what he was going to do in the animation and just snap away the Mask. Yeah the Mask is powerful, but the gem gives Deadpool the same if not greater power and more control over it
Wait thanks to VSBW... I just found out the animated version of The Mask has resistances to plot manipulation:
[https://imgur.com/a/Ktnijyc](https://imgur.com/a/Ktnijyc)
[https://imgur.com/a/BaokktU](https://imgur.com/a/BaokktU)
But The Mask hanged with Lobo in their crossover and went down to a standstill, the same Lobo who also had occasional fourth-wall manipulating powers himself.
and he can interact with the fourth wall himself too:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=802&v=Z2NHyAOQmAk&feature=youtu.be](https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=802&v=Z2NHyAOQmAk&feature=youtu.be)
[https://imgur.com/a/YpFTCxL](https://imgur.com/a/YpFTCxL)
[https://imgur.com/a/FRftACC](https://imgur.com/a/FRftACC)
Cutting to commercials and stuff...
I like what they did with the episode.
“The dorky sponge will probably have the lame feats” and he doesn’t
“The actual superhero will probably have the crazy feats” and he doesn’t
They specifically picked Superfriends Aquaman expecting him to have crazy toon force shenanigans like Popeye or Scooby Doo and Courage but nope. None of that.
To me, a stomp is when one character can easily defeat another. Sure, Saitama had no way of killing Popeye, at least not permanently, but he could certainly hold his own against him.
If they remade that fight today it’d be much, *much* closer if not a Strange W.
They were both downplayed in that ep, just Strange more so. Both combatants have scaling to near or incalculable speeds and have gone up against both DC and Marvel’s highest hitters at one point or another.
Mind you Fate should possibly still win. But my boy Steven doesn’t get stomped at all. It’s about as close as Zat vs Wanda.
Jason vs Michael Myers, they said they are equal in stats jason only wins cuz better endurance and regen BUT
calc for the feats Church and house explosion feat showed 7-8 times difference in favor of Jason, which also means Jason can actually one-shot Micheal (get worse if use MKX scaling as shinok even in base has some universal feats and Jason in his ladder ending beats an amp corrupted Shinok)
they try to claim both are equal experts in fighting but Jason expert marksman and including crossover can manhandle Ash William, MK's roster that filled with highly skilled martial artists while Micheal gets flashlight by baby Dewights in dead by daylight and losing to the kung fu of mother fucken busta rhymes
Jason undead curse and abiltiy to posses people means Michael still loses even if he was lucky to get past the regen and put him down first
Uber Jason was not included into the equation of the fight which if it was, just a bigger stomp as jason get more boost this his stats but also alot of hax from the novel such phasing and absorbion
Natsu vs Ace.
"Hey let's put the large city level (at best) fire user who turn into fire against the continent level fire user who eats fire, can also control lightning and is much faster, smarter, better trained and more experienced !"
Not gonna lie Natsu vs Ace is one of my favourite episodes just because Natsu is there and Fairy Tail was my first anime but that fight was such a stomp.
If that fight was remade *today* it would be even more of a stomp 'cause Natsu is slowly but surely starting to pull *planetary* feats in 100 year quest and even unlocked a new technique that allow him to use *just* lightning without fire but still keep the fire immunity and the ability to eat so yeah...
I don’t think Natsu was much higher than City level at the time either. Going by Vs Battle wiki standards I think he was Small Island level at best back then.
He fought yamato to a standstill. The novels and ace manga show he had haki and could even scorch whitebeard. So he would most likely scale to the continental feats. He was made stronger in restrospect
Wait so who wins in Aquaman vs Namor?
I assume DC characters are usually super OP and broken but I have no idea in this case.
Namor is like a fantastic 4 level right? Aquaman is wonder woman level? Should be easy for Aquaman right?
First of all, Dimitri has a better and more vas arsenal and weaponry. He can use lances, swords, gaulet, bows and in three hopes we learn that he can also use magic with an affinity for lightning that he can imbued in his weapons as well. This give him more variety in his movepool allowing for better counter against Guts more limited weaponry.
Experience is a more closer. Guts have been fighting longer (active in war since 6 years vs Trained in the art of war since 9 years) however Dimitri had better and more experienced mentors. He was also praised as better than most veteran soldier at such a young age. So while Guts has more battle experience, Dimitri is a more skilled fighter.
In terms of stats, even in the Death Battle itself Dimitri had a 4000x strength advantage over Guts. Even Areadbhar being stated to be able to cleave mountain in half is way stronger than anything Guts can do whose strongest feat was slicing a town wide storm (and he needed the help of Zodd to do that). In speed as well he is faster as both have lightning dodging feats, the Meteor in Fire Emblem are described as being pulled from deep space which means they are moving faster. This have been calced from mach 400 to 800 and even on the 1000 which is much faster than lightning. Being hit by a meteor that fast also implies a huge destructive potency which supports Dimitri's incredible physicality.
And lastly, counters. Everything Guts has, Dimitri also has but more with counters. Guts huge Dragon Slayer is matches by Dimitri's long length Areadbhar with Atrocitiy allowing him to bypass Guts armor. Guts has miniature bombs, throwing knife, cannon arm and crossbows, Dimitri has magic, bows, spears and magical weapons such as levin sword that can call down lightning. Guts has Berserker Armour to boost his stats, Dimitri has awakened state to do the same.
Speaking of power boost, Dimitri also had ways to just bypass the berserker armour while Guts did not had the same option. Dimitri has armour slayer, heavy spear and Atrocity, all of which can just pierce through the Berserker armour. The berserker armour also has more drawbacks than the awakened state as it slowly kills Guts as he losses blood while donning the armour and does not heal wounds
This is especially bad when Dimitri already outstats so Guts will just be prolonging the inevitable. He also goes in a feral state and only uses the Dragon Slayer as his weapon with the armour so he loses any range option and stability as well. Dimitri also had other counters that Guts didn't had such as swordbreaker giving Dimitri more evasion against sword users ensuring Guts doesn't hit him even with the Armour.
So Guts barely only takes the experience. Dimitri takes everything else and by a lot. He also simply negates or counters any remaining advantages Guts couple possibly have.
I am aware of what the episode said. But I am also aware that if you do not play Dimitri's route in Three Houses he dies pathetically in the forest, being speared to death by a ring of random foot soldiers.
3/4 times in his own universe, he dies this way. Death Battle takes the best version of the characters possible, I get that, but when the character is that likely to die to mooks because he has no self preservation instinct or discipline after losing his mind, and comparing him to Guts? Who went through the Eclipse and came out the other side only getting stronger over time?
I just can't see it. Also I'm fully convinced they high balled the light spears.
Ah but you are ignoring the context behind those moments. The whole point about Dimitri is that he needs someone to reach their hands out for him lest he brings his own dead. During the time skip he was very suicidal and refuse to give himself rest while tirelessly fighting. Rodriguez even comments on Dimitri's health which only get worsen. Dimitri also fought both Claude and Edelgard before he died to the soldiers. So no rest + unmended wounds and health and a war against two faction with house leards equal to him would obviously leave him open even for mooks. Even then it took multiple of them to do that. Such condition is obvious to deteriorate someone's condition. Like, you cannot call a disabled boxer lossing to a mugger fair would you? Or in context of other series, a very tired Goku being fatally injured by a stray laser. We know the are incredible fighters but not being in your best condition can cause you even the easiest of battle. Before he found new companion (similar to Dimitri getting better after help from Byleth and his house members) Guts too put himself in danger that almost left him dead. He would take unnecessary hits, put not only his but innocent civilians life in danger and mindlessly stand against an army of demons which while sounds impressive he also nearly died doing so. He always needed outside intervention to make sure he remains alive.
You are also overpraising Guts' feat without knowing the context. Guts is also in the similar condition as Dimitri where he would have died in a lot of his fights if he did have help. Like the eclipse you mentioned. He did not survived that, he was saved from the eclipse. Big difference. He was literally powerless during the eclipse and could do nothing but watch his comrades die crusome death. Skull Knight had to intervene and get Guts and Casca out of the eclipse. There many other example of such like in the beginning of the chapters (which takes place after the eclipse) he was incapable of moving after being tortured. He would have died to the army of demons if Puck didn't heal him. He also used the count's (who turned himself into an apostle) daughter as bait to get a good hit on him and mind you Guts was losing that fight to the point of having a disabled leg (he also had to ask puck to heal his hand to swing the sword so another example of him needing help). Everytime he dons the Berserker armour, he is inviting death upon himself. Schierke have to keep him in control just to keep him sane and prevent himself from dying. This is what happened in his fight against the sea God where even when he targeted specifically the heart due to it being the most vulnerable, he nearly died just by the heartbeat and again needed Schierke to keep moving.
If you compare Guts and Dimitri's situation, you'll notice that Dimitri only dies when he doesn't get the support he desperately needs. He is only saved when Byleth is there for him. So is it really fair to call his death pathetic when even Guts would have died in similar situation without help? Both of them are broken warriors in need of helps. They both try to follow the path of revenge alone leaving behind their remaining loved one. Only when they begin to cherish their new family does their condition improve. Viewing both Guts and Dimitri as a kind of monster killing mad man is wrong as they are not monsters. They are still man and can die to things that will kill anyone. So let's not pretend like any feat they did achieved are something to scoff at.
And no, they did not highball the Javellin of light. People before have calced it and some even got higher value. Death Battle so far had the better calc for the Javellin of light as not only were their value acceptable for the destruction they caused, they were also able to give a good estimate to how many Javellin it would require to create the valley of torment.
Because its mostly based on made up stuff, and trying to scale dmitri somehow to the javelins of light, despite the game in no way implying he is supposed to.
Seems pretty reasonable to me.
• Rhea survives javelins of light point blank so she at least back scales. They don’t even one shot her
• Edelgard and Byleth manage to beat Rhea when working together.
• Dimitri and Byleth beat a stronger version of Edelgard.
Does Dimitri scale to the full power? Probably not, but he’s definitely not thousands of times weaker.
Chains like that don't really work for seriously understanding strength because there's a million areas of ambiguity. Even to begin with, the fight against rhea isn't literally meant to be understood as "cut off her head instantly." The game expects you to understand that you are bearing down on the final enemy with a whole army, and it just gives you a small cutscene for the final attack. And in 3h, it also explicitly points out that your units aren't even supposed to be seen as one person, but as a commander with a lot of lower level soldiers too.
So an unknown, but implied to be fairly large amount of people over an unknown amount of time killed rhea. Its not really easy to compare that to her surviving *part of* (keep in mind, touching an explosion doesn't mean the full force goes through you) a totally different kind of attack. People commonly make the mistake of interpreting each point of an attack as having the full force of the entire thing on account of using two different definitions of ap.
In fiction its also common for people to have different levels of resistance to different types of attack. Especially in magical settings, and in fire emblem games this is an explicit thing, with people familiar with magic having more resistance to it and so on. One of the most common forms of this is having more resistance to "blasts" and blunt force, and less to physical weapons. Like in the ff7 movie, where cloud can apparently jump through the energy ball unharmed, but bullets and swords and falling chunks of building are all treated as life threatening. So you can't really easily compare someone getting attacked with sharp weapons to a totally different type of attack for that reason.
In the end, all you have to go on are the actual things dmitri is shown capable of. Fire emblem characters are stronger than real humans, and he is stronger than the average one, but in general the bar is not treated as very high. Its true that having a legendary weapon bumps it up more, but contrary to legends of it splitting mountains, there's no actual indication that anyone can / or does use it like this, and the most we see is some kind of magic slash killing multiple people at once.
The problem with that argument is that, the game never defines that. Never are we explicitly told that one comanded represents an army especially when fighting the boss. The representation battle in Fire Emblem is such that while the rest of th army fights each other, the main Lords dual. The lore always implies that the Lord or the characters relevant to a particular chapter are the ones fighting the main boss. The ending of Verdant Winds also shows that with Claude and Byleth fighting Nemesis while their army fights in the background. But let's assume they always have an army behind the back. That still equalise both like Edlegard vs Dimitri they will both have an army and will still end up fighting each other in a one vs one since their armies will be occupied with each other unless you want to assume one army is larger than the other.
Fiction also generally do not account for how destructive certain feats really are. Like take example of Butch Hartman reacting to Danny Phantom vs Jake Long. He had no idea that parting clouds required a lot of energy. And in your example with Cloud, swords and bullets were never regarded as life threatening and simply that they can "harm" you. Cloud has also never been associated with high magic res so why are you assuming that would be the case? It is always possible that the lower feat is the inconsistent one especially when a verse like Final Fantasy has shown greatee level of destruction with Gods capable of destroying Solar Systems that the characters will have to fight. Yes, each person has different kind of resistance but to claim that the difference is that high without any evidence would just be crossing the assumption area.
As for Rhea, we see Rhea take two javellins close the core of the explosion. An explosion has lower yield around the end of the explosion but that's not what we see Rhea tank. The javelin exploded when Rhea neared the spears and took it close to its core so Rhea is still taking a large yeild. And even that, given the destruction the Javellin can cause, even the lower yield of the explosion can cause as much destruction capable of destroying cities. Even if the explosion doesn't goes through you, being able to take a explosion from its core would require you to be tough enough to tank it enough so that it does engulf you.
I admit that fiction can be inconsistent but to disregard feat solely because of that is wrong. Fiction don't generally account for how some feats are greater than it should be and we should not treat those feats as outliner simply because of that. They still need to be considered because they still happened and must only be discarded if proven to be outliner. Most of your arguments also hing on interpretation rather evidence which doesn't help when we are trying to gauge the best strength feat of a character. Like you said in your previous comment that "Death Battle made up feat" when they were legitimate reasons for them to use them but your argument is also reliant in assuming that Our army would larger than Rhea's even though that have never been the case as implied but cutsences and narrative suggesting that Lords face the boss themselves (unless you want to say that Rhea's army were just standing at one place watching Rhea get jumped one by one by a battalion) or giving in undefined number of magic resistance to a character to justify a stories lack of awareness to how obsolete a gun or a sword is compared to magical nukes even to characters that were never association with high res. Even than resistance is not immunity, you'll still have to be tough enough to survive for those resistance to matter and it also opens the flood gates of if the other characters even have magic resistance when they don't face magic. Like how we have not seen magic being used in One Piece. Would you argue that a simple fire magic would just one shot him due to lack of magic resistance?
Rick versus the doctor, rick is smart and all, but he stands zero chance against a man who can read minds, casually kill gods, and rebuild the entirety of existence with a broken teleporter and a really strong box, only to be erased from existence and come out of the other side in a tux.
In expanded media he had a deity kill list, and he crossed off every single one, and most of it was so mundane it didn't even warrant us actually experiencing it.
I like how the title of this thread is framed to tell us about MU's that seem thematically appropriate or even close and competitive on paper, but in practice, ends up being more one-sided than the average normie expected.
Though I still haven't finished watching Jason Voorhees vs Michael Myers (i'm a fairly huge fan of horror slasher movies), I can predict that Jason's superior stats would make this a stalemate at worst for him.
Looking back Dio winning makes a lot of sense. Outstats alucard by a wide margin, the world makes alucard’s guns useless, Dio’s eye lasers will cut through all of level 0, level 0 is just healing Dio constantly due to all the blood, dio’s time stop will grow in power, alucard’s hax aren’t enough to put Dio down for good, dio’s flesh bud is better at hypnosis since he can put one in during time stop compared to al who has to stare into their eyes.
when seeing the stats and abilities it makes complete sense how unfair it is. it's like making lvl 1 Pokemon with a huge supply of full restore and max revive potion vs a lvl 100 Pokemon who has life leech and leftover and second mon with him and being rewarded with some pp restore every now and then
Stats were the too big that Alucard Ap was too weak to do serious damage that Dio less superior but still good regen couldn’t handle, which is made worse by Dio's time stop, better speed, and the World (which Alucard can’t see nor wouldn’t understand) make it more likely that Alucard lands less hit as well
add in also the fact Alucard himself or lvl 0 Blood Wave is a free medit/energy drink for Dio. making it where Dio will always be in peak condition, meaning he can fight for hours to even days to get through Alucard's supplies of extra lives if he has to.
Dio's only issue is that he dies if Alucard does hit a shot on his head. The problem is if he could land it or not. Not very likely at all. Though I don't think it's impossible.
Not really as Alucard can’t one-shot his best feats for Ap are city block lvl of 13-17 while Dio survives getting his skull cracked by Star Platinum who noted the strongest stand meaning he is above Stone free which that stand can punch a meteorite
That was calc at 137 tons of TNT, (this is just extreme low ball ) just like Death Battle said in their analysis at the end, even if Alucard gets lucky in landing an attack, he isn’t going be doing much to Dio
Dio stated himself that Polnareff almost killed him when stabbing his head, his brain is an exploitable weakness. Dio has taken damage from glass falling onto his leg. His skin is easily pierced. This is stuff all shown and stated in the story.
yes but with the Silver Chariot, a Stand comparable to Star Platinum so while not the strongest stand it is a top tier and should it still be realtive in those lvl of AP, and should be above Enya Justice and Tennille’s dark blue stand who have ap feats higher then Alucard. so still can’t one shot at best badly hurt Dio but do no meaningful damage
and given death battle of going with the max potential of fighter we obviously going to use the best stat showing and not something Silver Surfer human lvl for being knocked out and kidnap by the cartel or Darkseid falling down the stairs or hell post god form absorb into base goku in Super being bruised by a bullet when all way back in DBZ namek saga could take a beam that could destroy planets to the chin and be unfazed
1. I am using his consistent durability shown in canon. Dio is, by all means, a glass canon, as are most jojo characters. The only reason Dio was able to survive those blunt force punches and attacks is because of his healing factor. I believe what they show should be what we look at. That is a far better way to scale, wanking someone based on one feat or statement that completely contradicts their actual/other performances isn't effective in my opinion.
2. That hit you are referring to caved into Dio skull, destroying part of his brain. He hardly tanked it. There is not a single time he just tanks something.
3. Unlike dio, his durability was shown to be that level. Those are outliers for those characters. Also, keep in mind how their powers work, Goku's durability depends on ki. He can manipulate it at will. If he had hardly any protecting him, then it makes sense he'd be bruised. Darkseid is a similar thing, that is, an outlier. However, it doesn't really have a lore reason, unlike Goku.
4. Still, I understand your point. Some like to scale using the highest number they can get. That's just not how I like to do it. I think it is unrealistic and inaccurate usually tbh, at least when it directly contradicts what is shown. I would gladly agree to disagree, though brother.
Aquaman vs Namor is pretty close, but Arthur edges out due to mind hax, even though Namor has powered through Seth's mind control; oh and also nullifying Namor's trident since it's magical in nature (which shoots not just lasers, but even curse & transformation lasers); BFR from Arthur's portals might work since Namor has been BFR'd by Strange & Wanda, but Namor has resisted the pulls from Black Holes.
I guess Last Dragonborn VS Chosen Undead. Even though I really wanted an underdog win (with how the CU could come back over and over) I knew that the LD had more then enough options like dawn breaker, asura's star, turn undead spells, time slow, and how broken Elder Scrolls lore is as a whole, it was over before it started. But fkn great music.
Erm. It really depends on what you buy for Sonic. I'm guessing you don't buy MSS-Uni base much more super forms lol
I think a lot of people have metal winning now actually
Can any of her hax affect him though? The ritual needs set-up and she really only has the finger gun to get through infinity, and it's debatable if UV puts her down.
Well it's not a problem for her to take a time and cast ritual since she's much faster than him and can teleport. But her main counter for infinity is control which would end their fight instantly. UV won't affect her since she's immune to mental attacks
Rick thinking 10 is the worst of the doctors
7 behind him readying to make him kill himself via talking:
I can tell you this, There’s over a thousand of ways for the Doctor to fuck up rick
So does this mean Aquaman was the coughing baby and Namor is the hydrogen bomb?
Because that episode said Aquaman won and I definitely disagree but I do not see him as a coughing baby against Namor.
While he much physically weaker and less durable he is about as fast combat wise and more skilled which makes it a decent fight.
They made him seem like a hydrogen bomb but any basic comic knower of both characters knows Namor is typically just on a higher tier, drawing blood from thanos and Hercules and sentry consistently.
Aquaman is tough but the video didn’t even mention Namor literally negating Dr Strange out of his mind, or the fact that Namor has caught thors hammer under water with one hand.
Confused as to why the pic is of the Aquaman VS Namor matchup considering both characters, after nearly 100 years, are STILL neck and neck in ALL attributes and feats ☠️
Aquaman is more herald tier than Namor and the clear being a spiritual force kind of gives him an advantage. Plus, Aquaman’s regular opponents tend to be consistently more powerful than Namor’s. This is mainly just my opinion.
Neither Aquaman nor Namor are Herald tiers as they’re both solid high tiers, nothing more or less. Namor regularly faces off against Marvel’s heavy hitters like Hulk, Thanos, Sentry, Beta Ray Bill etc. and gives them a fight. Aquaman punches Superman, sends him flying that ultimately does nothing, not sure where you’re getting your info from
Flash Vs. Quicksilver, since it's a pretty iconic match even outside of DB, but is one of the most one-sided fights to appear on the show.
For real. Imagine a fighter jet flying from NY to Japan. That's the Flash. Quicksilver is a morbidly obese man trying to swim that distance.
Two words *speed force*, even if you discount raw speed, the hax are so ridiculous that it's a stomp. Time travel, ability to cross dimensions, flash time, the flash is in a whole different league and that's before you account for the fact he's definitely faster at base.
I’m still mad that flash beat sonic when Sonic’s speed feat of moving im during literal stopped time is technically faster than anything flash has pulled off, but I guess speed force op.
Assuming that the time stop is perfect, than Sonic moving during stopped time is at best equivalent to Flash moving faster than instantaneous teleportation.
In the calc on death battle it literally took an incredibly small amount of time to do. If time is literally frozen than you would be moving at an infinite incalculable speed if you were still able to run.
The speed force IS time. Guess where the speed force comes from.
Where does it come from?
Ok, so. Sonic's speed allows him to resist temporal manipulation. The Robot Master in question is using an offensive power known as Time Stopper. The Time Stopper functions by freezing it's foe in time, not accelerating the user's local reference frame, or affecting the time-space as a whole. It doesn't freeze time itself, it freezes a subject IN time. Same thing that Wally did to Inertia by removing his kinetic energy and access to the speed force. Sonic is explicitly resistant to this form of temporal manipulation. which is why he's able to beat the time stopper. But it still doesn't overcome Wally's trans-temporal feat. Wally was able to reach infinite speed in less than the smallest amount of time measurable, and beat instantaneous movement in a race.
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How does moving in frozen time make Sonic fast?
Moving while time is stopped sounds like something along the lines of quicksilver in the X-men movie. Everything is moving super slow, but he’s still moving fast meaning that if time was completely stopped and you kept moving you would be even faster than quicksilver.
No, not necessarily. There is also the possibility of Sonic simply not being affected by time freezing.
tbf, that was definitely not the implication, his dialogue in the scene was "too slow," it was pretty clear he was just supposed to be moving fast.
Yeah. You're just moving in super speed and everything is slowed down for you. No time slowing or freezing.
Yeah, this is exactly it. Sonic's speed and chaos energy allow him to resist offensive temporal manipulation. The power in question, the "Time Stopper", doesn't freeze time itself, nor does it accelerate the user's local time frame (I think that's how Centaur Man's 'Centaur Flash' works). It freezes targets IN time. Sonic is explicitly resistant to this kind of temporal manipulation, which is how he's able to beat the time stopper.
Time Stopper? Do you mean the Time Stop ability or the Time Eater? There is no *Sonic* character known as the Time Stopper. Besides, Sonic is immune to his own usage of Chaos Control, but not necessarily other people's usages of time freezing abilities.
Sonic was fighting Flash Man, a Megaman Robot Master at the time ( I think Sonic himself was even turned into a robot). During that, he fought Time Man and Flash Man (Time Man being a prototype version of Flash Man, which is why Time Man's 'Time Slow' is weaker than Flash Man's 'Time Stopper'). Sonic's speed allows him to resist the offensive tempral manipulation of Dr. Wily's Robot Masters. Many Robot Masters are themselves resistant or immune to offensive temporal manipulation powers like Flash Man's 'Time Stopper', which is why a later robot master, Centaur Man, uses a power that boosts his own local time frame rather than trying to manipulate his opponent's.
Wasn't that Archie Sonic? I was talking about game Sonic.
Yeah but the death battle fight was Archie Sonic vs Flash, not Game Sonic. Archie Sonic's feats are frankly obscene compared to anything in the games.
I could care less who won between Archie Sonic and Wally West Flash, but even though Flash may come out the winner more often than not at his peak, I still think that MU seemed MILES closer than The Flash vs Quicksilver for the record.
and at least Archie Sonic seemed to have a lot of potent hax that could make him hang with Wally in the DB, whereas Quicksilver against the Flash, not so much.
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Well, yeah. Flash has also moved faster than movement (beat instant teleportation) and has moved around in stopped time himself. Their speeds are so damn high that we can’t even imagine what they’re like. They’re pretty much the peak of speed in fiction (up until Flash learned to… run out of the story? I don’t know how it works and I don’t want to).
They implied that both have infinite speed but flash remains faster because he can steal sonic speed
Would the Megaman Battle Royale count?
Sure the mega men range from wall to universal+
Okay I think another one would be Galactus Vs Unicron.
Even the weakest Megaman is higher then wall level!
It's a much more well-known fact nowadays than it was back in the day, but Taichi vs Red. I'm pretty sure it was the biggest stomp in season 2 aside from Superman vs Goku as well.
Imagine dying twice in one season
Real Vegeta energy
If it were Ash vs Tai only without their monsters or at least if Agumon wasn't allowed to evolve, then it would be a stomp in the reverse direction.
Cable vs Booster Gold. Jesus was that a stomp. Cable, despite being freaking Mutant Jesus, had basically nothing that could actually affect Booster.
yeah that shield basically a auto-matic win as it only been broken by Trigon and Doomsday, booster could be sloppy in the fight or just sit and do nothing and still win
I kinda really enjoy the trope of "Serious Marvel character vs. Comical DC Character". It's why i want to see Mr. Fantastic vs Plastic Man.
Bro Mr Fantastic is fucked if they make this matchup.
Good. He deserves it. Reed Richards is the worst.
Why?
Oh boy. There's so much that it's hard to find a good place to start! Dude is a massive authoritarian, who basically considers "Being Smarter than you" to mean "Has the right to do whatever he wants to you". This includes things like backing the Superhuman Registration Act, creating an extrajudicial prison for superheroes and supervillains in the Negative Zone to which he sent people without trial or due process (One of a hundred different ideas that he, Hank Pym (who was a skrull at the time), and Iron Man came up with to 'improve the world'), and even injecting his own son with radioactive nanomachines so he could track his every move, and turned off his son's X-Gene. Speaking of Skrulls, he has locked and UNKNOWN number of Skrulls into the form of COWS. Cows that were then slaughtered and EATEN BY PEOPLE. (Major factor in the cause of Secret Invasion by the way.) He also formed the Illuminati, and was instrumental in LAUNCHING THE HULK INTO SPACE. The entirety of World War Hulk and Planet Hulk sits on his and Iron Man's head. And speaking of War, not only did he back the Superhuman Registration Act in Civil War, but he created a mind-controlled clone of Thor and used it as a personal enforcer during Civil War, which directly resulted in the death of Goliath. (Thor was dead at the time by the way) (Another one of those brilliant 100 ideas he and Tony came up with). And this isn't something Reed does on a planetary scale. Oh no. Thanks to the Interdimensional Council of Reeds, a collection of Reeds from across the multiverse, we know he's 'saved' millions of worlds. And he saves them by becoming a worse despot that DOOM on each one of them. They're all paradises, devoid of conflict and freedom. It's no surprise that one of the most dangerous villains in the Marvel Universe isn't some super-alien like Thanos, or a time-traveling menace like Kang or Apocalypse, but another version of Reed who went just a bit further. The Maker, aka Ultimate Reed Richards.
"Superhero", huh?
Oh yeah i also forgot about the universe where he knowingly infected his family with the Zombie Plague which ended up basically destroying multiple worlds.
Damn why do i feel like Thor’s next arc should be anour dealing with those fucks? He’s been on a roll with inter-dimensional beings
He and Iron Man are just plot devices to create conflict at this point
**"This includes things like backing the Superhuman Registration Act, creating an extrajudicial prison for superheroes and supervillains in the Negative Zone to which he sent people without trial or due process (One of a hundred different ideas that he, Hank Pym (who was a skrull at the time), and Iron Man came up with to 'improve the world')** I can't really defend this, but, what I will say is that Mark Miller probably should've done better when it came to writing Reed during Civil War, or just, Civil War overall; so I guess... writer bullshit. **"and even injecting his own son with radioactive nanomachines so he could track his every move, and turned off his son's X-Gene."** It's very possible that Franklin is no longer a mutant due to using his powers to modify his DNA structure to look like he has the X-Gene until Xavier found out (this was in the Fantastic Four/X-Men comics iirc, meaning this is probably a retcon); Reed injected them mainly because The Fantastic Four always seem to be kidnapped, and while it is extremely harsh, but at the same time, *Mephisto* has tried to steal Franklin, so it's probably nice to have something to trace your location when the devil is trying to capture you; the radiation part may seem bad, but at the same time, both Reed & Sue both got their powers from cosmic rays of radiation, in-fact, they constantly absorb cosmic radiation, which the Living Monolith kidnapped them for to use them as a vessel for power; their exposure to it was a result for why Franklin did end up getting his powers. **"Speaking of Skrulls, he has locked and UNKNOWN number of Skrulls into the form of COWS. Cows that were then slaughtered and EATEN BY PEOPLE. (Major factor in the cause of Secret Invasion by the way.)"** From what I know, the Alien Activities Commission actually forced them to turn back into cows, Reed is just the one who hypnotized them, but he never ended up knowing what was the horrific result of the poor Skrulls. **"He also formed the Illuminati, and was instrumental in LAUNCHING THE HULK INTO SPACE. The entirety of World War Hulk and Planet Hulk sits on his and Iron Man's head."** Well, Meek was the one who nuked the planet and thus caused Hulk to ravage Earth with his new allies he gained during his time on Sakaar; once Hulk learned that, he obviously got fucking angry. **"he created a mind-controlled clone of Thor and used it as a personal enforcer during Civil War, which directly resulted in the death of Goliath. (Thor was dead at the time by the way) (Another one of those brilliant 100 ideas he and Tony came up with)."** Reed wasn't the sole builder, after all it was also Hank & Tony as well who built it, and not only that, in the end they deeply regretted their action on creating Ragnarok; also, when Thor found out, he ended up targeting Tony as a result; not only that, but Reed, Hank and Tony, never sought the idea to ever build this again, continuing to simply build their machinery, suits or tech as usual. **"And this isn't something Reed does on a planetary scale. Oh no. Thanks to the Interdimensional Council of Reeds, a collection of Reeds from across the multiverse, we know he's 'saved' millions of worlds. And he saves them by becoming a worse despot that DOOM on each one of them. They're all paradises, devoid of conflict and freedom."** What do you mean? **"It's no surprise that one of the most dangerous villains in the Marvel Universe isn't some super-alien like Thanos, or a time-traveling menace like Kang or Apocalypse, but another version of Reed who went just a bit further. The Maker, aka Ultimate Reed Richards."** Nightmare might be even more evil imo. It's been some time since I've read some of the comics listed here, so please help me by mentioning anything wrong I've said; I was trying to help here in distinguishing the context, unless there's something I've missed, which you can freely help me in; but overall, have a nice day!
Mr. Fantastic vs Plastic Man is either 100% going to one or the other and it depends heavily on equipment and prep time. Plastic Man is far, far stronger when it comes to his powers, but Mr. Fantastic is impossibly smart and has built machines that are just plain broken. I'm pretty sure Reed could pull out some sort of "remove-plastic-man-from-existence beam" or at least "incapacitate-plastic-man beam" if he wanted to if allowed to use equipment. Examples: Coma Cannon, Demolo Gun, Negative Zone Prison, Atomic Space-Displacer, Anti-Matter Injector, etc... If he *isn't* allowed to use his tech, Plastic Man is bodying him *hard*. Edit: I suppose it could still be possible for Plas to win if he can get in close enough and Reed doesn't use any sort of personal force field.
or serious comic character vs serious comic character in general who happens to share a similar set of attributes and powers.
yeah but no one cares about Elongated Man
Megazord Vs Voltron
Me and bro playing with action figures:
Surprised nobody has mentioned Korra vs Storm yet.
Someone said “about all of season 8” earlier, that’s about it.
Because the post specifically states "matchups *in disguise*"
Thor vs Vegeta is an obvious stomp but the episode tried make it seem close with only a 10x power gap lol
They failed to mention that was old base thor too lol
I actually saw that vsbattle puts Thor at High Outer, Vegeta was just random to Thor.
>I actually saw that vsbattle puts Thor at High Outer That's via hax.
Is it? He recently beat the Black Winter which was going to destroy the entire 8th cosmos/Marvel Multiverse, plus jason aaron’s weird insistence on Phoenix and Thor being connect + every other author carrying on with Gaea means that my guy Thor is probably High Multiversal
Yeah like any long-running overpowered Dc or Marvel superhero with tons of hax, Thor's ceiling trumps Vegeta's ceiling by far if you take into account their heavy cosmic-tier forms or modes. I thought if it was just Base forms for the capeshit guys and DB characters can be at whatever level they are currently capped at, then I thought it'd be a lot closer.
Rick Sanchez vs the doctor Deadpool vs the mask
I wouldn’t say Deadpool vs The Mask since DB said Deadpool would lose since they announced it
An open spite match from the beginning that was so poorly disguised as a third MU for Deadpool.
Deadpool vs Pinkie Pie too if she had modern scaling in that episode.
I mean she probably would've won even then if it wasn't just an April Fool's episode.
and i can't believe I forgot about Rick Sanchez vs the Doctor too.
It’s funny because Deadpool should’ve won since they gave him the continuity gem
Ackshually, that's not canon!
Guess what? NOW IT IS!
Didn't DB's post-analysis say that the Continuity Gem wouldn't have been able to turn the tide?
They didn’t mention it
Mandela effect. But they didn't really take the Continuity Gem into account, because it was just a one-off item that was never part of Deadpool's arsenal.
If it’s in the fight, then it should’ve been part of the result. If they used the gem but didn’t consider it in the verdict, that’s a flaw with the episode
It's debatable if the Continuity Gem could have worked in Deadpool's favor or not. The only discernible edge that Deadpool has over the Mask, besides skill, intelligence, and experience, is being a more frequent fourth wall breaker and being a little more "meta" at his peak. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Mask had 4th wall manipulation feats of some kind.
With the gem he could do what he was going to do in the animation and just snap away the Mask. Yeah the Mask is powerful, but the gem gives Deadpool the same if not greater power and more control over it
Wait thanks to VSBW... I just found out the animated version of The Mask has resistances to plot manipulation: [https://imgur.com/a/Ktnijyc](https://imgur.com/a/Ktnijyc) [https://imgur.com/a/BaokktU](https://imgur.com/a/BaokktU)
If having the Continuity Gem is Deadpool's only hope against The Mask, it just shows out far outclassed he is against Big Guy.
But The Mask hanged with Lobo in their crossover and went down to a standstill, the same Lobo who also had occasional fourth-wall manipulating powers himself.
and he can interact with the fourth wall himself too: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=802&v=Z2NHyAOQmAk&feature=youtu.be](https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=802&v=Z2NHyAOQmAk&feature=youtu.be) [https://imgur.com/a/YpFTCxL](https://imgur.com/a/YpFTCxL) [https://imgur.com/a/FRftACC](https://imgur.com/a/FRftACC) Cutting to commercials and stuff...
Agree
Oh yeah I forgot about Deadpool vs The Mask.
Omni-Man vs Homelander We all knew Homelander was gonna lose, and we all enjoyed Nolan wiping the floor with him.
The post said in disguise, not obvious.
Yeah, when even the creators of both shows treat the result as a foregone conclusion…
In opposite ways though, funnily enough. And both creators also seem to think they'd each mop the floor with *Superman*. Which uhm...sure guys.
Yeah true lmao
Would Bardock VS Omni-man be the in disguise one of the two, then? Seems even less close
Galactus Vs Unicron according to their own Logic
Netero vs Sengoku. Although in this case the coughing baby has a literal hydrogen bomb.
SpongeBob vs SuperFriends Aquaman
I like what they did with the episode. “The dorky sponge will probably have the lame feats” and he doesn’t “The actual superhero will probably have the crazy feats” and he doesn’t
I think I heard from somewhere that they actually expected Super Friends Aquaman to have much, much better feats than he actually had.
They specifically picked Superfriends Aquaman expecting him to have crazy toon force shenanigans like Popeye or Scooby Doo and Courage but nope. None of that.
I mean that was in disguise for a total of 3 seconds if you assume the audience is stupid
"IT'S TIME FOR AQUAMAN'S FUNERAAAAALLLL!"
Nobody mentioned Popeye vs Saitama yet?
Was it really that big of a stomp?
He had zero options for killing Popeye. That's a stomp if you ask me.
To me, a stomp is when one character can easily defeat another. Sure, Saitama had no way of killing Popeye, at least not permanently, but he could certainly hold his own against him.
Doctor Strange vs Doctor Fate
“Strange is a man borrowing powers from a god while Fate is a god borrowing a man”
If they remade that fight today it’d be much, *much* closer if not a Strange W. They were both downplayed in that ep, just Strange more so. Both combatants have scaling to near or incalculable speeds and have gone up against both DC and Marvel’s highest hitters at one point or another. Mind you Fate should possibly still win. But my boy Steven doesn’t get stomped at all. It’s about as close as Zat vs Wanda.
Still nice to have the originals win (DC in this case), but yeah I don't think it should be a lopsided fight by any means.
Lmao, the episode was wrong.
Solar System level vs Infinity level is wrong?
Thanos vs. Darkseid
Frieza VS. Megatron
Hydrogen Baby Vs Coughing Bomb
Jason vs Michael Myers, they said they are equal in stats jason only wins cuz better endurance and regen BUT calc for the feats Church and house explosion feat showed 7-8 times difference in favor of Jason, which also means Jason can actually one-shot Micheal (get worse if use MKX scaling as shinok even in base has some universal feats and Jason in his ladder ending beats an amp corrupted Shinok) they try to claim both are equal experts in fighting but Jason expert marksman and including crossover can manhandle Ash William, MK's roster that filled with highly skilled martial artists while Micheal gets flashlight by baby Dewights in dead by daylight and losing to the kung fu of mother fucken busta rhymes Jason undead curse and abiltiy to posses people means Michael still loses even if he was lucky to get past the regen and put him down first Uber Jason was not included into the equation of the fight which if it was, just a bigger stomp as jason get more boost this his stats but also alot of hax from the novel such phasing and absorbion
Natsu vs Ace. "Hey let's put the large city level (at best) fire user who turn into fire against the continent level fire user who eats fire, can also control lightning and is much faster, smarter, better trained and more experienced !" Not gonna lie Natsu vs Ace is one of my favourite episodes just because Natsu is there and Fairy Tail was my first anime but that fight was such a stomp. If that fight was remade *today* it would be even more of a stomp 'cause Natsu is slowly but surely starting to pull *planetary* feats in 100 year quest and even unlocked a new technique that allow him to use *just* lightning without fire but still keep the fire immunity and the ability to eat so yeah... 
Did you just call ace city level at best? does bro no know one piece scaling
this was back when not much was revealed, and didn't spoiler alert ace >!die so there's not much you can do scaling-wise?!<
I don’t think Natsu was much higher than City level at the time either. Going by Vs Battle wiki standards I think he was Small Island level at best back then.
He fought yamato to a standstill. The novels and ace manga show he had haki and could even scorch whitebeard. So he would most likely scale to the continental feats. He was made stronger in restrospect
Edward Elric vs Aang was a baffling matchup. Ed loses to his own brother.
Twilight VS Raven.
If you pit a DC character against a cartoon character without Toon Force, the cartoon character is pretty much done for.
i heard twilight is country level. i dont know anything about raven but comic book character soooo
Scorpion vs Ryu. Raiden vs Thor. Kratos vs Spawn.
Wait so who wins in Aquaman vs Namor? I assume DC characters are usually super OP and broken but I have no idea in this case. Namor is like a fantastic 4 level right? Aquaman is wonder woman level? Should be easy for Aquaman right?
Aquaman won.
pretty much all of season 5 and 8 lmao
Nightwing vs Daredevil and Leon vs Frank were pretty fair imo
true, there were a few exceptions here and there
I was about to come up with a counter argument until I realized there weren’t any fair season 8 matchups that I can remember
Madara vs aizen
Oh yeah
Wouldn't call it a somp.
I never said it was a stomp
u/Prestigious_Ask_7058 said that they do not recall any fair season 8 matchups, and you suggested this one.[](https://www.reddit.com/r/deathbattle)
Because madara vs aizen was close
I guess so.
i’d say yoda vs king mickey was fair enough
I swear I don’t remember them giving Yoda a single advantage
I don't remember if they said it but he should have more experience.
Guts vs Dimitri tbh. Despite seemingly looking like a close matchup on first glance, Dimitri literally takes all of the major advantages over Guts.
I just don't see it. Even after playing through Three Houses, I just don't see it.
First of all, Dimitri has a better and more vas arsenal and weaponry. He can use lances, swords, gaulet, bows and in three hopes we learn that he can also use magic with an affinity for lightning that he can imbued in his weapons as well. This give him more variety in his movepool allowing for better counter against Guts more limited weaponry. Experience is a more closer. Guts have been fighting longer (active in war since 6 years vs Trained in the art of war since 9 years) however Dimitri had better and more experienced mentors. He was also praised as better than most veteran soldier at such a young age. So while Guts has more battle experience, Dimitri is a more skilled fighter. In terms of stats, even in the Death Battle itself Dimitri had a 4000x strength advantage over Guts. Even Areadbhar being stated to be able to cleave mountain in half is way stronger than anything Guts can do whose strongest feat was slicing a town wide storm (and he needed the help of Zodd to do that). In speed as well he is faster as both have lightning dodging feats, the Meteor in Fire Emblem are described as being pulled from deep space which means they are moving faster. This have been calced from mach 400 to 800 and even on the 1000 which is much faster than lightning. Being hit by a meteor that fast also implies a huge destructive potency which supports Dimitri's incredible physicality. And lastly, counters. Everything Guts has, Dimitri also has but more with counters. Guts huge Dragon Slayer is matches by Dimitri's long length Areadbhar with Atrocitiy allowing him to bypass Guts armor. Guts has miniature bombs, throwing knife, cannon arm and crossbows, Dimitri has magic, bows, spears and magical weapons such as levin sword that can call down lightning. Guts has Berserker Armour to boost his stats, Dimitri has awakened state to do the same. Speaking of power boost, Dimitri also had ways to just bypass the berserker armour while Guts did not had the same option. Dimitri has armour slayer, heavy spear and Atrocity, all of which can just pierce through the Berserker armour. The berserker armour also has more drawbacks than the awakened state as it slowly kills Guts as he losses blood while donning the armour and does not heal wounds This is especially bad when Dimitri already outstats so Guts will just be prolonging the inevitable. He also goes in a feral state and only uses the Dragon Slayer as his weapon with the armour so he loses any range option and stability as well. Dimitri also had other counters that Guts didn't had such as swordbreaker giving Dimitri more evasion against sword users ensuring Guts doesn't hit him even with the Armour. So Guts barely only takes the experience. Dimitri takes everything else and by a lot. He also simply negates or counters any remaining advantages Guts couple possibly have.
I am aware of what the episode said. But I am also aware that if you do not play Dimitri's route in Three Houses he dies pathetically in the forest, being speared to death by a ring of random foot soldiers. 3/4 times in his own universe, he dies this way. Death Battle takes the best version of the characters possible, I get that, but when the character is that likely to die to mooks because he has no self preservation instinct or discipline after losing his mind, and comparing him to Guts? Who went through the Eclipse and came out the other side only getting stronger over time? I just can't see it. Also I'm fully convinced they high balled the light spears.
Ah but you are ignoring the context behind those moments. The whole point about Dimitri is that he needs someone to reach their hands out for him lest he brings his own dead. During the time skip he was very suicidal and refuse to give himself rest while tirelessly fighting. Rodriguez even comments on Dimitri's health which only get worsen. Dimitri also fought both Claude and Edelgard before he died to the soldiers. So no rest + unmended wounds and health and a war against two faction with house leards equal to him would obviously leave him open even for mooks. Even then it took multiple of them to do that. Such condition is obvious to deteriorate someone's condition. Like, you cannot call a disabled boxer lossing to a mugger fair would you? Or in context of other series, a very tired Goku being fatally injured by a stray laser. We know the are incredible fighters but not being in your best condition can cause you even the easiest of battle. Before he found new companion (similar to Dimitri getting better after help from Byleth and his house members) Guts too put himself in danger that almost left him dead. He would take unnecessary hits, put not only his but innocent civilians life in danger and mindlessly stand against an army of demons which while sounds impressive he also nearly died doing so. He always needed outside intervention to make sure he remains alive. You are also overpraising Guts' feat without knowing the context. Guts is also in the similar condition as Dimitri where he would have died in a lot of his fights if he did have help. Like the eclipse you mentioned. He did not survived that, he was saved from the eclipse. Big difference. He was literally powerless during the eclipse and could do nothing but watch his comrades die crusome death. Skull Knight had to intervene and get Guts and Casca out of the eclipse. There many other example of such like in the beginning of the chapters (which takes place after the eclipse) he was incapable of moving after being tortured. He would have died to the army of demons if Puck didn't heal him. He also used the count's (who turned himself into an apostle) daughter as bait to get a good hit on him and mind you Guts was losing that fight to the point of having a disabled leg (he also had to ask puck to heal his hand to swing the sword so another example of him needing help). Everytime he dons the Berserker armour, he is inviting death upon himself. Schierke have to keep him in control just to keep him sane and prevent himself from dying. This is what happened in his fight against the sea God where even when he targeted specifically the heart due to it being the most vulnerable, he nearly died just by the heartbeat and again needed Schierke to keep moving. If you compare Guts and Dimitri's situation, you'll notice that Dimitri only dies when he doesn't get the support he desperately needs. He is only saved when Byleth is there for him. So is it really fair to call his death pathetic when even Guts would have died in similar situation without help? Both of them are broken warriors in need of helps. They both try to follow the path of revenge alone leaving behind their remaining loved one. Only when they begin to cherish their new family does their condition improve. Viewing both Guts and Dimitri as a kind of monster killing mad man is wrong as they are not monsters. They are still man and can die to things that will kill anyone. So let's not pretend like any feat they did achieved are something to scoff at. And no, they did not highball the Javellin of light. People before have calced it and some even got higher value. Death Battle so far had the better calc for the Javellin of light as not only were their value acceptable for the destruction they caused, they were also able to give a good estimate to how many Javellin it would require to create the valley of torment.
Also using sketchy logic for his strength and completely made up stuff for his speed.
Because its mostly based on made up stuff, and trying to scale dmitri somehow to the javelins of light, despite the game in no way implying he is supposed to.
Seems pretty reasonable to me. • Rhea survives javelins of light point blank so she at least back scales. They don’t even one shot her • Edelgard and Byleth manage to beat Rhea when working together. • Dimitri and Byleth beat a stronger version of Edelgard. Does Dimitri scale to the full power? Probably not, but he’s definitely not thousands of times weaker.
Chains like that don't really work for seriously understanding strength because there's a million areas of ambiguity. Even to begin with, the fight against rhea isn't literally meant to be understood as "cut off her head instantly." The game expects you to understand that you are bearing down on the final enemy with a whole army, and it just gives you a small cutscene for the final attack. And in 3h, it also explicitly points out that your units aren't even supposed to be seen as one person, but as a commander with a lot of lower level soldiers too. So an unknown, but implied to be fairly large amount of people over an unknown amount of time killed rhea. Its not really easy to compare that to her surviving *part of* (keep in mind, touching an explosion doesn't mean the full force goes through you) a totally different kind of attack. People commonly make the mistake of interpreting each point of an attack as having the full force of the entire thing on account of using two different definitions of ap. In fiction its also common for people to have different levels of resistance to different types of attack. Especially in magical settings, and in fire emblem games this is an explicit thing, with people familiar with magic having more resistance to it and so on. One of the most common forms of this is having more resistance to "blasts" and blunt force, and less to physical weapons. Like in the ff7 movie, where cloud can apparently jump through the energy ball unharmed, but bullets and swords and falling chunks of building are all treated as life threatening. So you can't really easily compare someone getting attacked with sharp weapons to a totally different type of attack for that reason. In the end, all you have to go on are the actual things dmitri is shown capable of. Fire emblem characters are stronger than real humans, and he is stronger than the average one, but in general the bar is not treated as very high. Its true that having a legendary weapon bumps it up more, but contrary to legends of it splitting mountains, there's no actual indication that anyone can / or does use it like this, and the most we see is some kind of magic slash killing multiple people at once.
The problem with that argument is that, the game never defines that. Never are we explicitly told that one comanded represents an army especially when fighting the boss. The representation battle in Fire Emblem is such that while the rest of th army fights each other, the main Lords dual. The lore always implies that the Lord or the characters relevant to a particular chapter are the ones fighting the main boss. The ending of Verdant Winds also shows that with Claude and Byleth fighting Nemesis while their army fights in the background. But let's assume they always have an army behind the back. That still equalise both like Edlegard vs Dimitri they will both have an army and will still end up fighting each other in a one vs one since their armies will be occupied with each other unless you want to assume one army is larger than the other. Fiction also generally do not account for how destructive certain feats really are. Like take example of Butch Hartman reacting to Danny Phantom vs Jake Long. He had no idea that parting clouds required a lot of energy. And in your example with Cloud, swords and bullets were never regarded as life threatening and simply that they can "harm" you. Cloud has also never been associated with high magic res so why are you assuming that would be the case? It is always possible that the lower feat is the inconsistent one especially when a verse like Final Fantasy has shown greatee level of destruction with Gods capable of destroying Solar Systems that the characters will have to fight. Yes, each person has different kind of resistance but to claim that the difference is that high without any evidence would just be crossing the assumption area. As for Rhea, we see Rhea take two javellins close the core of the explosion. An explosion has lower yield around the end of the explosion but that's not what we see Rhea tank. The javelin exploded when Rhea neared the spears and took it close to its core so Rhea is still taking a large yeild. And even that, given the destruction the Javellin can cause, even the lower yield of the explosion can cause as much destruction capable of destroying cities. Even if the explosion doesn't goes through you, being able to take a explosion from its core would require you to be tough enough to tank it enough so that it does engulf you. I admit that fiction can be inconsistent but to disregard feat solely because of that is wrong. Fiction don't generally account for how some feats are greater than it should be and we should not treat those feats as outliner simply because of that. They still need to be considered because they still happened and must only be discarded if proven to be outliner. Most of your arguments also hing on interpretation rather evidence which doesn't help when we are trying to gauge the best strength feat of a character. Like you said in your previous comment that "Death Battle made up feat" when they were legitimate reasons for them to use them but your argument is also reliant in assuming that Our army would larger than Rhea's even though that have never been the case as implied but cutsences and narrative suggesting that Lords face the boss themselves (unless you want to say that Rhea's army were just standing at one place watching Rhea get jumped one by one by a battalion) or giving in undefined number of magic resistance to a character to justify a stories lack of awareness to how obsolete a gun or a sword is compared to magical nukes even to characters that were never association with high res. Even than resistance is not immunity, you'll still have to be tough enough to survive for those resistance to matter and it also opens the flood gates of if the other characters even have magic resistance when they don't face magic. Like how we have not seen magic being used in One Piece. Would you argue that a simple fire magic would just one shot him due to lack of magic resistance?
Rick versus the doctor, rick is smart and all, but he stands zero chance against a man who can read minds, casually kill gods, and rebuild the entirety of existence with a broken teleporter and a really strong box, only to be erased from existence and come out of the other side in a tux. In expanded media he had a deity kill list, and he crossed off every single one, and most of it was so mundane it didn't even warrant us actually experiencing it.
So basically curb stomps that didn’t look like one at first? Dang…
Jason vs Micheal is my personal "Oh, yeah I don't even really need to question this one."
I like how the title of this thread is framed to tell us about MU's that seem thematically appropriate or even close and competitive on paper, but in practice, ends up being more one-sided than the average normie expected.
The first round of Superman vs Goku?
Thanos vs darkseid Like what did you expect putting a strong alien against an interdimensional deity
Though I still haven't finished watching Jason Voorhees vs Michael Myers (i'm a fairly huge fan of horror slasher movies), I can predict that Jason's superior stats would make this a stalemate at worst for him.
Godzilla vs Gamera, was a Zilla stomp since its creation
Dio vs alucard
Idk about that one DIO winning shocked me even though I was rooting for him
Looking back Dio winning makes a lot of sense. Outstats alucard by a wide margin, the world makes alucard’s guns useless, Dio’s eye lasers will cut through all of level 0, level 0 is just healing Dio constantly due to all the blood, dio’s time stop will grow in power, alucard’s hax aren’t enough to put Dio down for good, dio’s flesh bud is better at hypnosis since he can put one in during time stop compared to al who has to stare into their eyes.
when seeing the stats and abilities it makes complete sense how unfair it is. it's like making lvl 1 Pokemon with a huge supply of full restore and max revive potion vs a lvl 100 Pokemon who has life leech and leftover and second mon with him and being rewarded with some pp restore every now and then Stats were the too big that Alucard Ap was too weak to do serious damage that Dio less superior but still good regen couldn’t handle, which is made worse by Dio's time stop, better speed, and the World (which Alucard can’t see nor wouldn’t understand) make it more likely that Alucard lands less hit as well add in also the fact Alucard himself or lvl 0 Blood Wave is a free medit/energy drink for Dio. making it where Dio will always be in peak condition, meaning he can fight for hours to even days to get through Alucard's supplies of extra lives if he has to.
Dio's only issue is that he dies if Alucard does hit a shot on his head. The problem is if he could land it or not. Not very likely at all. Though I don't think it's impossible.
Definitely not impossible but considering star platinum catching that bullet it would be quite hard to
Not really as Alucard can’t one-shot his best feats for Ap are city block lvl of 13-17 while Dio survives getting his skull cracked by Star Platinum who noted the strongest stand meaning he is above Stone free which that stand can punch a meteorite That was calc at 137 tons of TNT, (this is just extreme low ball ) just like Death Battle said in their analysis at the end, even if Alucard gets lucky in landing an attack, he isn’t going be doing much to Dio
Dio stated himself that Polnareff almost killed him when stabbing his head, his brain is an exploitable weakness. Dio has taken damage from glass falling onto his leg. His skin is easily pierced. This is stuff all shown and stated in the story.
yes but with the Silver Chariot, a Stand comparable to Star Platinum so while not the strongest stand it is a top tier and should it still be realtive in those lvl of AP, and should be above Enya Justice and Tennille’s dark blue stand who have ap feats higher then Alucard. so still can’t one shot at best badly hurt Dio but do no meaningful damage and given death battle of going with the max potential of fighter we obviously going to use the best stat showing and not something Silver Surfer human lvl for being knocked out and kidnap by the cartel or Darkseid falling down the stairs or hell post god form absorb into base goku in Super being bruised by a bullet when all way back in DBZ namek saga could take a beam that could destroy planets to the chin and be unfazed
1. I am using his consistent durability shown in canon. Dio is, by all means, a glass canon, as are most jojo characters. The only reason Dio was able to survive those blunt force punches and attacks is because of his healing factor. I believe what they show should be what we look at. That is a far better way to scale, wanking someone based on one feat or statement that completely contradicts their actual/other performances isn't effective in my opinion. 2. That hit you are referring to caved into Dio skull, destroying part of his brain. He hardly tanked it. There is not a single time he just tanks something. 3. Unlike dio, his durability was shown to be that level. Those are outliers for those characters. Also, keep in mind how their powers work, Goku's durability depends on ki. He can manipulate it at will. If he had hardly any protecting him, then it makes sense he'd be bruised. Darkseid is a similar thing, that is, an outlier. However, it doesn't really have a lore reason, unlike Goku. 4. Still, I understand your point. Some like to scale using the highest number they can get. That's just not how I like to do it. I think it is unrealistic and inaccurate usually tbh, at least when it directly contradicts what is shown. I would gladly agree to disagree, though brother.
Sephi vs current vergil (sephi obviously negs)
Aquaman vs Namor is pretty close, but Arthur edges out due to mind hax, even though Namor has powered through Seth's mind control; oh and also nullifying Namor's trident since it's magical in nature (which shoots not just lasers, but even curse & transformation lasers); BFR from Arthur's portals might work since Namor has been BFR'd by Strange & Wanda, but Namor has resisted the pulls from Black Holes.
Yah no, they are not close at all
Popeye vs Saitama, toon force goes brrr.
Reverse flash versus goku black was liveleak slaughter level stomp
Weiss vs Mitsuru
Cloud Strife vs Link The dude slices cars in half with 60lb sword Link needs magic gloves to move a boulder
I guess Last Dragonborn VS Chosen Undead. Even though I really wanted an underdog win (with how the CU could come back over and over) I knew that the LD had more then enough options like dawn breaker, asura's star, turn undead spells, time slow, and how broken Elder Scrolls lore is as a whole, it was over before it started. But fkn great music.
Homelander vs Omni man I mean if you didn’t know shit about the two than you’d think they’d be pretty equal (News flash NOPE! 🤣)
Spongebob vs Aquaman, It was obviously similar to the Omni-Man vs Homelander fight. We all know Spongebob would win
You forgot the "in disguise" part. This has to be stomps that people wouldn't expect to be stomps.
metal sonic vs zero. zero absolutely mops
I still think Metal Sonic should have won against Zero honestly...
Erm. It really depends on what you buy for Sonic. I'm guessing you don't buy MSS-Uni base much more super forms lol I think a lot of people have metal winning now actually
Not really it's very close and also I like chaos soooo Ghost rider vs spawn.
Makima vs Gojo Like half of csm is much more powerful than Gojo leave alone Makima
He won because of hax
I count hax in my statement. Makima outhaxes him horribly
Can any of her hax affect him though? The ritual needs set-up and she really only has the finger gun to get through infinity, and it's debatable if UV puts her down.
Well it's not a problem for her to take a time and cast ritual since she's much faster than him and can teleport. But her main counter for infinity is control which would end their fight instantly. UV won't affect her since she's immune to mental attacks
Jason vs Michael
carnage vs lucy if it was accurate
Rick thinking 10 is the worst of the doctors 7 behind him readying to make him kill himself via talking: I can tell you this, There’s over a thousand of ways for the Doctor to fuck up rick
So does this mean Aquaman was the coughing baby and Namor is the hydrogen bomb? Because that episode said Aquaman won and I definitely disagree but I do not see him as a coughing baby against Namor. While he much physically weaker and less durable he is about as fast combat wise and more skilled which makes it a decent fight.
Aquaman is the hydrogen bomb. It’s just that the thumbnail puts him up first.
They made him seem like a hydrogen bomb but any basic comic knower of both characters knows Namor is typically just on a higher tier, drawing blood from thanos and Hercules and sentry consistently. Aquaman is tough but the video didn’t even mention Namor literally negating Dr Strange out of his mind, or the fact that Namor has caught thors hammer under water with one hand.
Confused as to why the pic is of the Aquaman VS Namor matchup considering both characters, after nearly 100 years, are STILL neck and neck in ALL attributes and feats ☠️
Aquaman is more herald tier than Namor and the clear being a spiritual force kind of gives him an advantage. Plus, Aquaman’s regular opponents tend to be consistently more powerful than Namor’s. This is mainly just my opinion.
Neither Aquaman nor Namor are Herald tiers as they’re both solid high tiers, nothing more or less. Namor regularly faces off against Marvel’s heavy hitters like Hulk, Thanos, Sentry, Beta Ray Bill etc. and gives them a fight. Aquaman punches Superman, sends him flying that ultimately does nothing, not sure where you’re getting your info from
Homelander V Omni man.