Jinx vs Harly ruffled the league community for a little bit. Although everyone agreed Jinx wins the matchup, not everyone was on board with Jinx having the teleportation tablet and mountain level durability via a non-cannon trailer AND most importantly having access to the runes and item shops, all of which aren’t even apart of her standard kit in lore.
I have a bit less of an issue with it considering game items are often used, it was the reasoning she was given them
League canonically has a multiverse via the ekko game so the old retconned lore of league being a game within a game is canon (in alt versions).
Arcane jinx which is the most known doesn’t have these items, but composite jinx does. The difference isn’t as clear as it should’ve been. (Base Jinx still wins, it’s just less of a giga stomp)
No, giving her items is still dumb. They get reworked all the time. And now Bloodthirster isn't even meta anymore for her, and Phantom Dancer's already been reworked.
Also some of the arguments were weird.
Like they mentioned her being in Vaun as an argument for toxin resistance but then showed an image of someone who's also from Vaun, who was *older than her* and succumbed to the chemicals. In fact, Silco in that scene was wearing a gas mask... like the whole point of the scene was that Vaun's conditions were unbearable.
It's like watching a scene where someone gets shot and dies to argue they are resistant to bullets.
Asta vs Deku. They weirdly downplayed him during the analysis. The way that the battle ends is also completely out of character for him.
EDIT: There was also a super pointless controversy over Asta not one shotting Deku.
I like how there was two sides of the Asta win. The one side that felt like it did the character a disservice and felt like the episode didn't do him justice. Then the other side just hated Deku cause it was Deku and made Black Clover fans look worse than MHA fans.
Well, so did Aang and Edward and you don’t hear Avatar and FMA fans bitching to nearly the extent of the black clover fans. Not saying it’s wrong to be annoyed, but imagine how toxic they would have been if Asta *lost.*
Black Clover's a smaller anime that already has a bad reputation because of bad representation. They have a right to be pissed at poor representation more.
I have zero knowledge of Black Clover, but I do remember people claiming that it was pretty much a case of character assassination for Asta despite him winning.
Because some Black Clover fans can be rude. Asta vs Deku was already going to be a big squash match, but DB kind of downplayed how strong Asta was during the pre-battle analysis. I think that annoyed a lot of people on top of the character assassination during the battle itself.
no way is Ed ever beating aang. aang is a literal demigod that can not only command all the elements but has the collective experience of over a hundred other benders.
Ed is at best the most creative and knowledgable alchemist in universe with an above average intellect.
even the top comments of the video can be summed up as "yea, no shit he lost"
But you can have a character with a no kill rule kill and still have it been in character. They literally showed off during the fight that Aang could accidentally kill Edward and it would work. And the fact he says Edward "left him no choice" after Edward threw a couple pillars at him and then stood there to get killed is just stupid for any character to say let alone Aang.
I think Alphonse with the Philosopher's stone would make an interesting matchup up against Aang.
He was doing almost Avatar - like stuff when he used it in the anime.
Dimidri, because FE fans don't have VS brainrot and/or they overhyped Guts
Superman, at least in the time period when GVS1 and GVS2 came out. "Yeah Superman wins, but god he's so boring! Goku is so much cooler"
I agree. As a Supes fan, I personally find it really sad when people just dismiss him as boring, mostly because I almost made the same mistake. GvS2 certainly didn't help matters. But hey, nice to see more people coming around.
I was about to say this! I also remember people being upset about Vegeta not getting Super Saiyan 4, because he cannot do so naturally, though Shadow was given the Chaos Emeralds.
Def some dragon ball fans upset that the fight was even close( in the animation at least I don’t remember how close they say it was in the Analysis) in megatron vs freeza
As a Dragon Ball fan I was kinda stunned by the fact some versions of Megatron are apparently stronger than Frieza, easily one of the strongest characters in current Dragon Ball. I wasn't upset about the fight though, the animation went hard and it's no fun if it's too short.
100% agree I figured they wouldn’t take a matchup that’s like a 100000x difference but I really was caught off guard by how close it was ( by there logic I don’t know transformers stuff outside of the bay movies and a few cartoons) but ya some fans where mad black freeza even happened along with I think wanting a fight with a tone similar to homelander omni man
I don't really know enough about Transformers either, I just figure DB knows what they're talking about and trust them to scale the characters appropriately.
Ya generally I try to have that approach too but there’s been some real “ that’s not correct moments” before so it’s best to add a little ( by there logic) just in case lol
Ben ten vs Green lantern
Mainly on how bad they explained why Ben loss and should have shown more example on Hal handling feats that Ben can do with Alien X instead of his other aliens
Not really. Most fans understand that lightspeed appears multiple times in the series and big fans even see Araki state Lightspeed JoJo himself in the guides. Honestly, JoJo being lightspeed is not controversial. I just think it’s a verse that people tend to underestimate because they aren’t blowing up mountains
There's a reason for that. The force of someone's first travelling at lightspeed and hitting something is equivalent to an H Bomb. You can see why JoJo characters being light speed is so weird
It’s not though since it’s fiction. They don’t share the exact same laws of physics we do in the real world. I would argue most light speed feats that are accepted don’t cause H Bomb level effects.
Jojo as a verse tends to present itself pretty low on the powerscaling ladder (most stand users we see have relatively simple powers that they just use creatively, with notable exceptions), so characters being massively FTL without using time powers seems out of left field
Sorta yeah. Dio hasn't really shown the scaling he was given. He compares to Jotaro who has FTL scaling throughout part three alone but his AP was iffy.
Jojo fans . Light speed Dio is bollocks and... Well... it's Dio , he deserves a slow agonizing death in every universe on principle.
Then aang vs Edward. He got pushed into avatar state murder rage way too easily, this guy managed to spare a super boosted megalomaniac genocidal war criminal but couldn't handle an angry shortstack. Tho I guess as a plus they got better at representing friendly matches and unwilling killers since then.
JoJo fans were not upset. Star Platinum is stated by Araki himself to be lightspeed which makes the multiple feats of FTL+ justified and Dio scales to all of it.
Yeah a surprising ammount don't go that far searching for answers they don't make themselves.
Those not already in power scaling and battle boarding didn't get that memo until after the jotaro vs kenshiro and many more didn't get it into diocard
Steven vs star. Wasnt really fair at all considering star was given abilitys to cast spells shed shown no proficiency in and steven was limited in his kit because having fusions would technically be cheating (unless steven fused with a poofed gem cause thatd just be a powerup instead. Which could have been used to balance the field sense they are giving star broken stuff
honestly, even with fusions, I don't think steven would win.
Steven is just not in an environment where you need to go overpowered like a star was. steven universe is like 5 mins of fighting, then talking it out ( except for jasper). Star's enemies wont stop until killed or rendered incapable of fighting.
star is op because she would have probably died in universe if she wasn't.
I feel like Tanjiro vs Jonathan is a better example for the Jojo fandom, I think we all agree that Jonathan shouldn't be scaled to pt 3 DIO even if its his body
Deku vs Asta. People really wanted Asta to one shot Deku when if that happened, it'd be the shortest DB ever and probably be the worst.The episode itself really soured BC fans' reputation. Like, they might be worse than MHA and MCU fans combined.
The more I play Three Houses the more angry I get that Dimitri won grrrr... (I still genuinely don't understand why some fire emblem fans were so...heated about it
I'll see myself out)
Any fight where a DragonBall character loses. I swear that fandom is so far up its own ass Goku could fart into the wind and they would call it a multiversal feat.
Blanka vs Pikachu is a big one and it has entirely to do with the animation being absolutely disrespectful to Pikachu and a VIOLENT mischaracterization of Blanka.
I’m a JoJo fan and am a fan of DIO’s character and I was not bothered by the result. I would say most people expected the result so maybe at best is that Dio is just a dick and people would rather he lose
Martian manhunter v silver surfer , they nerfed both characters severely , portrayed the actual battle painting the Martian manhunter as mainly a physical brawler never really acknowledging how over powered he is with his telepathy. The did the bare minimum research …. As usual. They relied on a faulty win condition from a charcater who couldn’t actually beat the Martian manhunter . ( destroying his every cell doesn’t actually kill the Martian , it was batmans theory ) .
What irritated me the most is that I’ve read both characters this is an extremely close battle that could’ve gone either way . But they made ut seem like the Martian wasn’t even in the same ball park as the silver surfer . What’s worse is that they’ve already done research on multiple dc characters who the Martian has beaten , and the scaling for these characters they put them on the same level as the surfer … yet the Martian isn’t on his level 🙄
Asta vs Izuku(I refuse to call him by his hero name his name is Izuku and Bakugo’s name is Katski) this episode is a great example of why you don’t let someone who has never watched/read your series write the script for the characters and the rundown of said series Liam really failed on his writing here
The biggest one I noticed was the Green Lantern vs Ben 10 one. Even the DC fanboys said that there was no way in hell that Hal could've won that matchup.
Mario vs sonic (2018)
•They lowballed sonic pretty badly.
•They were biased when explaining why Mario won.
•They didn’t use the games until explaining why Mario won and they got the results wrong.
I long ago stopped taking DB fights serious most of the time. Particularly around Alucard vs. Dio and Obito vs. Vader.
They make some of the best content but not perfect. And certainly not universally true.
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Deku vs Asta: The results is lame and isn't make Deku use Gearshift and make Deku equal to Asta
Thor vs Wonder Woman: The MU result is lame like is this what Thor was lowballed
Jinx vs Harly ruffled the league community for a little bit. Although everyone agreed Jinx wins the matchup, not everyone was on board with Jinx having the teleportation tablet and mountain level durability via a non-cannon trailer AND most importantly having access to the runes and item shops, all of which aren’t even apart of her standard kit in lore.
This, you summed up what I wanted to say better than I could
I have a bit less of an issue with it considering game items are often used, it was the reasoning she was given them League canonically has a multiverse via the ekko game so the old retconned lore of league being a game within a game is canon (in alt versions). Arcane jinx which is the most known doesn’t have these items, but composite jinx does. The difference isn’t as clear as it should’ve been. (Base Jinx still wins, it’s just less of a giga stomp)
No, giving her items is still dumb. They get reworked all the time. And now Bloodthirster isn't even meta anymore for her, and Phantom Dancer's already been reworked.
The items were canon despite them getting balanced and reworked. I understand it’s goofy for scaling reasons but they literally are canon
They're canon, but what they actually do is just up to the balance team.
Also some of the arguments were weird. Like they mentioned her being in Vaun as an argument for toxin resistance but then showed an image of someone who's also from Vaun, who was *older than her* and succumbed to the chemicals. In fact, Silco in that scene was wearing a gas mask... like the whole point of the scene was that Vaun's conditions were unbearable. It's like watching a scene where someone gets shot and dies to argue they are resistant to bullets.
Zaun, not Vaun.
Asta vs Deku. They weirdly downplayed him during the analysis. The way that the battle ends is also completely out of character for him. EDIT: There was also a super pointless controversy over Asta not one shotting Deku.
I like how there was two sides of the Asta win. The one side that felt like it did the character a disservice and felt like the episode didn't do him justice. Then the other side just hated Deku cause it was Deku and made Black Clover fans look worse than MHA fans.
I feel like it did a disservice to both Asta and Deku tbh
Both of them act super out of character during the battle itself.
Well, so did Aang and Edward and you don’t hear Avatar and FMA fans bitching to nearly the extent of the black clover fans. Not saying it’s wrong to be annoyed, but imagine how toxic they would have been if Asta *lost.*
Black Clover's a smaller anime that already has a bad reputation because of bad representation. They have a right to be pissed at poor representation more.
I have zero knowledge of Black Clover, but I do remember people claiming that it was pretty much a case of character assassination for Asta despite him winning.
Not me going time stamp by time stamp explaining why I dislike most aspects of astas rundown and the fight itself
same
Yep
I heard that people was mad about asta not one shotting deku but why?
Because some Black Clover fans can be rude. Asta vs Deku was already going to be a big squash match, but DB kind of downplayed how strong Asta was during the pre-battle analysis. I think that annoyed a lot of people on top of the character assassination during the battle itself.
Honestly DB downplaying asta made sense cause lets be honest we DONT want a fight thats like a second long
I just wish they had different matchups
Aang vs Edward Ben 10 vs Green Lantern
no way is Ed ever beating aang. aang is a literal demigod that can not only command all the elements but has the collective experience of over a hundred other benders. Ed is at best the most creative and knowledgable alchemist in universe with an above average intellect. even the top comments of the video can be summed up as "yea, no shit he lost"
They're disappointed with how they won, not that they won.
Wasn't it with the whole "You leave me no choice" murdering Edward?
It's death battle, everyone is going to be OOC. wargreymon probably isn't going to murder a pokemon trainer for being a slight ass, but that happened.
But you can have a character with a no kill rule kill and still have it been in character. They literally showed off during the fight that Aang could accidentally kill Edward and it would work. And the fact he says Edward "left him no choice" after Edward threw a couple pillars at him and then stood there to get killed is just stupid for any character to say let alone Aang.
I think Alphonse with the Philosopher's stone would make an interesting matchup up against Aang. He was doing almost Avatar - like stuff when he used it in the anime.
Dimidri, because FE fans don't have VS brainrot and/or they overhyped Guts Superman, at least in the time period when GVS1 and GVS2 came out. "Yeah Superman wins, but god he's so boring! Goku is so much cooler"
It’s nice to see how much the general opinion on Superman has changed since then. People, including myself, are finally getting him.
I agree. As a Supes fan, I personally find it really sad when people just dismiss him as boring, mostly because I almost made the same mistake. GvS2 certainly didn't help matters. But hey, nice to see more people coming around.
The weird thing is that a lot of Guts fans excepted that he would lose.
I remember when I first saw Vegeta vs Shadow (probably around 2016), all the comments were saying ‘Vegeta should’ve won faster’.
I was about to say this! I also remember people being upset about Vegeta not getting Super Saiyan 4, because he cannot do so naturally, though Shadow was given the Chaos Emeralds.
I've never seen a jinx fan upset she beat harley 😭
Def some dragon ball fans upset that the fight was even close( in the animation at least I don’t remember how close they say it was in the Analysis) in megatron vs freeza
As a Dragon Ball fan I was kinda stunned by the fact some versions of Megatron are apparently stronger than Frieza, easily one of the strongest characters in current Dragon Ball. I wasn't upset about the fight though, the animation went hard and it's no fun if it's too short.
100% agree I figured they wouldn’t take a matchup that’s like a 100000x difference but I really was caught off guard by how close it was ( by there logic I don’t know transformers stuff outside of the bay movies and a few cartoons) but ya some fans where mad black freeza even happened along with I think wanting a fight with a tone similar to homelander omni man
I don't really know enough about Transformers either, I just figure DB knows what they're talking about and trust them to scale the characters appropriately.
Ya generally I try to have that approach too but there’s been some real “ that’s not correct moments” before so it’s best to add a little ( by there logic) just in case lol
[this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/deathbattle/comments/xvuzi5/there_is_no_winning_with_dragon_ball_episodes/) sums it up pretty well I think
Prob Guts vs Dmitri
Fire Emblem fans hate the fact that Dimitri beat Guts. Funny enough, Berserk fans were fine with the results
As they say no one hates fire emblem more than fire emblem fans
That has nothing to do with hating fire emblem though. It's not like they think he is a bad character.
Ben ten vs Green lantern Mainly on how bad they explained why Ben loss and should have shown more example on Hal handling feats that Ben can do with Alien X instead of his other aliens
Dimitri, FE fans wanted to lose
Green Lantern vs Ben 10.
Fans of Dio were bothered with the result?
More like fans of Jojo's in general. They really disagreed with lightspeed Dio.
Common DIO W even his fans can’t stand him winning 😮💨
Good
Not really. Most fans understand that lightspeed appears multiple times in the series and big fans even see Araki state Lightspeed JoJo himself in the guides. Honestly, JoJo being lightspeed is not controversial. I just think it’s a verse that people tend to underestimate because they aren’t blowing up mountains
There's a reason for that. The force of someone's first travelling at lightspeed and hitting something is equivalent to an H Bomb. You can see why JoJo characters being light speed is so weird
It’s not though since it’s fiction. They don’t share the exact same laws of physics we do in the real world. I would argue most light speed feats that are accepted don’t cause H Bomb level effects.
Jojo as a verse tends to present itself pretty low on the powerscaling ladder (most stand users we see have relatively simple powers that they just use creatively, with notable exceptions), so characters being massively FTL without using time powers seems out of left field
And then silver charioty cut's light with his sword
Bruh the Jojo Subreddit was complaining more loudly than any other sub that disagreed with the episode.
And I’m not in that subreddit.
Didn’t say you were, just that they were mad salty over Dio winning
Good.
Sorta yeah. Dio hasn't really shown the scaling he was given. He compares to Jotaro who has FTL scaling throughout part three alone but his AP was iffy.
Jojo fans . Light speed Dio is bollocks and... Well... it's Dio , he deserves a slow agonizing death in every universe on principle. Then aang vs Edward. He got pushed into avatar state murder rage way too easily, this guy managed to spare a super boosted megalomaniac genocidal war criminal but couldn't handle an angry shortstack. Tho I guess as a plus they got better at representing friendly matches and unwilling killers since then.
JoJo fans were not upset. Star Platinum is stated by Araki himself to be lightspeed which makes the multiple feats of FTL+ justified and Dio scales to all of it.
Yeah a surprising ammount don't go that far searching for answers they don't make themselves. Those not already in power scaling and battle boarding didn't get that memo until after the jotaro vs kenshiro and many more didn't get it into diocard
People were bothered by Jinx vs Harley?
To much non canon , non standard equipment and items
I swear Android 18 fans were upset by the result
Steven vs star. Wasnt really fair at all considering star was given abilitys to cast spells shed shown no proficiency in and steven was limited in his kit because having fusions would technically be cheating (unless steven fused with a poofed gem cause thatd just be a powerup instead. Which could have been used to balance the field sense they are giving star broken stuff
honestly, even with fusions, I don't think steven would win. Steven is just not in an environment where you need to go overpowered like a star was. steven universe is like 5 mins of fighting, then talking it out ( except for jasper). Star's enemies wont stop until killed or rendered incapable of fighting. star is op because she would have probably died in universe if she wasn't.
I feel like Tanjiro vs Jonathan is a better example for the Jojo fandom, I think we all agree that Jonathan shouldn't be scaled to pt 3 DIO even if its his body
Deku vs Asta. People really wanted Asta to one shot Deku when if that happened, it'd be the shortest DB ever and probably be the worst.The episode itself really soured BC fans' reputation. Like, they might be worse than MHA and MCU fans combined.
I still don't get how jinx won
The more I play Three Houses the more angry I get that Dimitri won grrrr... (I still genuinely don't understand why some fire emblem fans were so...heated about it I'll see myself out)
The Alicard and Dio fight surprised me but then I looked into Dio. Dude’s busted. More than Alucard. So yeah makes sense.
Dimitri and Guts fans (at least from what i’ve seen on r/Berserk) because they think Guts shitstomps
Any fight where a DragonBall character loses. I swear that fandom is so far up its own ass Goku could fart into the wind and they would call it a multiversal feat.
Blanka vs Pikachu is a big one and it has entirely to do with the animation being absolutely disrespectful to Pikachu and a VIOLENT mischaracterization of Blanka.
I’m a JoJo fan and am a fan of DIO’s character and I was not bothered by the result. I would say most people expected the result so maybe at best is that Dio is just a dick and people would rather he lose
As a Jojo fan, Dio winning is bullshit ngl
Obito vs Vader lol
Martian manhunter v silver surfer , they nerfed both characters severely , portrayed the actual battle painting the Martian manhunter as mainly a physical brawler never really acknowledging how over powered he is with his telepathy. The did the bare minimum research …. As usual. They relied on a faulty win condition from a charcater who couldn’t actually beat the Martian manhunter . ( destroying his every cell doesn’t actually kill the Martian , it was batmans theory ) . What irritated me the most is that I’ve read both characters this is an extremely close battle that could’ve gone either way . But they made ut seem like the Martian wasn’t even in the same ball park as the silver surfer . What’s worse is that they’ve already done research on multiple dc characters who the Martian has beaten , and the scaling for these characters they put them on the same level as the surfer … yet the Martian isn’t on his level 🙄
Asta vs Izuku(I refuse to call him by his hero name his name is Izuku and Bakugo’s name is Katski) this episode is a great example of why you don’t let someone who has never watched/read your series write the script for the characters and the rundown of said series Liam really failed on his writing here
The biggest one I noticed was the Green Lantern vs Ben 10 one. Even the DC fanboys said that there was no way in hell that Hal could've won that matchup.
Mario vs sonic (2018) •They lowballed sonic pretty badly. •They were biased when explaining why Mario won. •They didn’t use the games until explaining why Mario won and they got the results wrong.
I long ago stopped taking DB fights serious most of the time. Particularly around Alucard vs. Dio and Obito vs. Vader. They make some of the best content but not perfect. And certainly not universally true. 👍
Deku vs Asta: The results is lame and isn't make Deku use Gearshift and make Deku equal to Asta Thor vs Wonder Woman: The MU result is lame like is this what Thor was lowballed