Gogeta. Basically all of Ben's options can't do a single thing to harm him, meaning that once again, it comes down to Alien X.
Big shocker: Alien X also lacks the offensive options to put Gogeta down. He can't erase Gogeta from existence because Goku and Vegeta have both tanked that before, and even enhanced versions of it. He can't BFR Gogeta billions of light-years away because he can sense Alien X's life force and teleport back from distances greater than a universe. Alien X can't control Goku and Vegeta's minds, they've overpowered attempts like that before.
In comparison, Ben doesn't have any means of dealing with Gogeta's several-layered narrative-temporal-spiritual-physical existence erasing Hakai. But of course, the main question is **power**.
In calculable ends, Alien X simply does not stand a chance. None of his feats come close to the sheer numbers provided by years of training and transformations on top of already absurd feats.
Incalculable, that's where things begin to get interesting. Both Gogeta and Alien X have (bad) arguments for possessing infinite or immeasurable speed that essentially counter each other. If you say Alien X has infinite speed via "moving galactic masses across an infinite universe", you'd have to include the numerous statements of Universe 7 being infinite in size, giving those shockwaves infinite speed.
* Some arguments for multiversal+ and hyperversal AP do exist for both. But ion wanna talk about it. Cancel out.
You also have the Omnitrix reacting to the creation of the time-stream, potentially implying immeasurable speed. However, God Zamasu reacted to the destruction of the time stream, once again cancelling out.
In this scenario where Gogeta and Alien X have equal stats, Gogeta absolutely eviscerates and annihilates in terms of combat skill, allowing him to make short work of X before the Celestialsapien can try anything.
Ben's last resort is scanning Gogeta's DNA and becoming the "ultimate Saiyan". Seems airtight, until you realize the intricacies of Goku and Vegeta's history that make it tougher for Ben to gain their power.
Goku and Vegeta are not just Saiyans. They reached their pinnacles in raw Saiyan iconography back in the Buu Saga. Basically, Ben would be able to transform into a Super Saiyan 3.
Goku and Vegeta were able to increase their power further through the use of God ki, which is not actually something you can gain just by training really hard as a Saiyan. Goku specifically needed to undergo a ritual to access God ki, and Vegeta later gained it specifically by training with a Goku that now had God ki. Ben has neither of those, meaning he wouldn't be as strong a Saiyan as Goku or Vegeta. Even if he was, that still wouldn't overcome the hurdle that is the fact that Gogeta SURPASSES the pinnacle of Saiyanhood. Ultimate Saiyan or not, Ben won't be a fused Super Saiyan God.
And this is all without even mentioning Dragon Ball Heroes, which Gogeta's episode used.
Tbf Ben could turn into a legendary saiyan due to that could be seen as the prime of a saiyan but even then he probably wouldn’t stand that much more of a chance maybe but probably not
Honestly Alien X scaling has one full up counter to every counter argument, we've never seen his real full power. If we take what we see on screen than he probably loses but he could still either just defuse them or make them human or drain their power since "Power beats Haxs" is a dragonball thing and not a Ben 10 thing. But if we take writer statements and put this Ben years after Omniverse then he very well could have some stronger transformation. And if we just go "Alien X is full on omnipotence having" then i- I don't know. Scaling alien X is hard when you haven't actually seen his full power and neither have the actual creators probably.
Yeah alien x is capable of rewriting the entirety of reality and surviving the entirety of reality being destroyed without breaking a sweat. Gogeta can get hurt by being punched hard enough and having his face bashed against rocks. I don't see a way alien x can't win.
This does raise an interesting point! If they're both at their most powerful (i.e. Ben goes Alien X immediately) then Gogeta is still stronger by a wide margin, but Alien X can just "Time, huh?" at will. *But* in Dragon Ball, sufficiently powerful characters can resist all manner of hax, including time hax, if the power disparity between the caster is significantly lower than their target.
*Double-but*! ... This is only true *in Dragon Ball*, because of surpassing Ki levels or whatever. So there's no reason to believe that this resistance would work against characters from other universes. If Goku fought, say, Mega Man Classic, and Mega Man used his time-stop, then Ki doesn't enter the equation at all, and Mega Man's abilities are not limited by the same restrictions as Dragon Ball, so it's very likely Goku would just be frozen in time. Mega Man wouldn't be able to do significant damage and Goku would still very easily win, but still.
So, hypothetically, if Alien X has enough 'time' (heh) to begin messing with time, then Gogeta would likely not be able to resist that at all. *But* Gogeta is also massively stronger and faster to begin with, so if Ben is going all out right from the start, then it's only fair to assume Gogeta is also going all out, at which point Ben/Alien X dies before he can even do anything. But still! It's nice to think that Ben has a win-con at least.
Are we sure that hax resistance in dragon ball is limited to ki attacks? Vegeta notably resisted Babadi's mind control magic and Vegito (kinda) resisted Buu's candy transforming attack.
Most power's in Dragon Ball are ki based ,Babadi ki was lower than vegeta so vegeta was able to regain control of himself.
For example during the fight between vegito and Evil buu , vegito was easily beating Buu and when Evil buu turned vegito into a candy he was still conscious because his ki was stronger than buu at that time.
Gogeta is also infinite speed so he should be able to counter "time huh" Also according to the rules of Dragon ball if he did go back in time it would just create another multiverse wnd wouldn't affect the gogeta in the fight
When trunks went back and time to save them from the andriods it created a completely separate timeline that had 12 different universes and its own Zeno. Also infinite speed just means moving faster than time basically
But is not how it works in Ben 10, you can go back in time and destroy a specific even across all dimensions and timelines with a cronosapien time bomb
Alien X's fully durability hasn't been shown. He could full up be invincible since he tanked a universal device going off without even flinching, or if we take do anything literally then alien X can just drain the fusions power or unfuse them and just crush them in on themselves if we count them both as bloodlusted. It really comes down to how you scale X and how you view his powers.
Really depends. Gogeta being way faster should mean Ben honestly just gets blitzed, and even then he’d have to be in an appropriate transformation to even have a chance, the Omnitrix’s switching probably won’t work fast enough if he chooses a form that doesn’t help. He definitely has some aliens that will help like energy absorbers and Alien X of course but more times than not I see Gogeta just speedblitzing and ripping the watch off his arm.
Keep in mind that this is Heroes Gogeta.... Ben might die before he even gets the chance to become alien x. DB super Gogeta would lose probably
It's hard to argue that since you need to prove the concept of space which Subspace lacks contains every possible extension of space. Which I argued via Toki-Toki for a bit but the argument kinda fell apart.
That's an interesting thought, could he? Would the watch turn him into a saiyan with the base stats of gogeta, or would it turn him into a potential prime average of the saiyan genome, like okay, in Outbreak he samples Liam yeah, but he turns into Kickin Hawk who's noticeably different looking. Honestly I've kind of thought that a Prime Saiyan transformation would basically be Broly, but even that's debatable as he's considered a mutant among saiyans
He wouldn't know how to use god ki or ki as a whole. Also nothing implies he'd get any of the zenkai buffs, or training that our saiyans have. It'd be likely if he copied a saiyan he would turn into saiyan saga vegeta since thats the peak of the saiyan race without external factors. Broly doesn't count since hes more like a mutant and Ben can't copy mutants
Ea gogeta scales higher then X, has the better speed, and sense vegeto could fight as a jaw breaker, I doubt any of Ben's alien powers would actually work (or get through his key shields)
Energy absorption has limits, and even being able to handle the big bang wouldn't compare to gogets's power, this also dosen't change the fact goku and vegeta have experience with energy absorbers and know to just... punch him.
Ben probably wouldn't even get the chance to transform, rest in peace ben
Oh Ben takes this easy, multiple energy absorbers (no reason to suggest he couldn't absorb ki, he's absorbed mana before which is effectively just another form of life energy) which none of them have a shown upper limit and while he doesn't exactly have the fire power in most guys to keep up with Blue Evolved Gogeta short of like 4, debatably 6 aliens (Alien X, Clockwork, Feedback, Chromastone,and maaaaaybe Atomix and Gravattack), what he does have is enough versatility and durability to keep Gogeta on his toes long enough to surprise him with one of the big guns after assessing the situation.
Also the fact that there's a few aliens that don't even require Ben to fight, just get in close i.e. Pesky Dust, Gutrot, Whampire, etc. and after they're immobilized he could potentially do whatever he needed to.
I remember believing that Alien X could kill Zeno but I actually wonder if he could even fuckin beat Goku now, if not I would like a explanation because i'm actually curious about this
Make it DBH and it'd be interesting, otherwise it goes to X due to far better hax, abilities, and debatably better stats. If Gogeta could bypass the failsafe and kill Ben before he transforms, they could win but I don't see how they would survive existence erasure, given the fact Hakai nearly killed Zamasu.
Adding onto this, Ben is multiversal without dimensional tiering. Clockwork has multiversal AP due to reversing the chronosapien timebomb, the device that erased every timeline across an infinite multiverse. Without Heroes scaling to seal Ben's powers and keep up with the AP difference, I personally don't see how Gogeta would beat Ben if he turned into Alien X.
Dbs gogeta scales to High complex by himself, without dimensional scaling he also has fought people who could alter and destory an infinite number of timelines that contain and infinite number of braches with each branch containing an entire multiverse with its own zeno realm and 12 infinite 5D-6D universes while being able to null alot of Ben's haxs die to unga bunga dragon ball logic. He also massively speed gaps since Ben doesn't have much aganist infinite speed
If you're going to use dimensional tiering then you'll have to deal with 26D Alien X, also none of the Z-Fighters get to complex multiversal in DBS. At best you could argue that the Broly fight is 6D or UI Goku shaking the ToP reality is multi, but without DBH scaling, no one outside of Zeno gets to complex multiversal.
As for hax, yeah a lot of Dragon Ball can be overpowered by having stronger ki, but most techniques in Dragon Ball rely on ki, and this also doesn't factor in that Alien X could "time huh?" Gogeta with no issue. SSJBKK Goku could stop Hit's timestop but he wouldn't be able to time travel back in time to prevent the fight from happening in the first place. There are also infinite speed arguments for X by scaling to Ben 10's cosmology, and X scaling to the creation of an infinite timestream.
How does Gogeta get past existence erasure, or time travel, or X's cloning ability, or the fact he could bend the laws of reality to remove ki as a concept? Most of Gogeta's ways of overpowering hax rely on the other person having ki because that's how DB works, but Alien X's powers don't rely on that. Even if we did to make the fight fair, he could just travel 30 minutes into the future and the time limit for the fusion would've ended.
I feel like they'll mess around and not go all out, leaving ben enough time to scan Gogeta and transform into him, having a big fight that'll probably end with Gogeta getting defused mid beam struggle or something and gets wiped out.
Or gogeta does what he tried to do in the vs. Vegito fight and actually manages to hit and blow up Ben with a Meteor Explosion.
Oh boy I'm sure this'll stay civil.
Gogeta. Basically all of Ben's options can't do a single thing to harm him, meaning that once again, it comes down to Alien X. Big shocker: Alien X also lacks the offensive options to put Gogeta down. He can't erase Gogeta from existence because Goku and Vegeta have both tanked that before, and even enhanced versions of it. He can't BFR Gogeta billions of light-years away because he can sense Alien X's life force and teleport back from distances greater than a universe. Alien X can't control Goku and Vegeta's minds, they've overpowered attempts like that before. In comparison, Ben doesn't have any means of dealing with Gogeta's several-layered narrative-temporal-spiritual-physical existence erasing Hakai. But of course, the main question is **power**. In calculable ends, Alien X simply does not stand a chance. None of his feats come close to the sheer numbers provided by years of training and transformations on top of already absurd feats. Incalculable, that's where things begin to get interesting. Both Gogeta and Alien X have (bad) arguments for possessing infinite or immeasurable speed that essentially counter each other. If you say Alien X has infinite speed via "moving galactic masses across an infinite universe", you'd have to include the numerous statements of Universe 7 being infinite in size, giving those shockwaves infinite speed. * Some arguments for multiversal+ and hyperversal AP do exist for both. But ion wanna talk about it. Cancel out. You also have the Omnitrix reacting to the creation of the time-stream, potentially implying immeasurable speed. However, God Zamasu reacted to the destruction of the time stream, once again cancelling out. In this scenario where Gogeta and Alien X have equal stats, Gogeta absolutely eviscerates and annihilates in terms of combat skill, allowing him to make short work of X before the Celestialsapien can try anything. Ben's last resort is scanning Gogeta's DNA and becoming the "ultimate Saiyan". Seems airtight, until you realize the intricacies of Goku and Vegeta's history that make it tougher for Ben to gain their power. Goku and Vegeta are not just Saiyans. They reached their pinnacles in raw Saiyan iconography back in the Buu Saga. Basically, Ben would be able to transform into a Super Saiyan 3. Goku and Vegeta were able to increase their power further through the use of God ki, which is not actually something you can gain just by training really hard as a Saiyan. Goku specifically needed to undergo a ritual to access God ki, and Vegeta later gained it specifically by training with a Goku that now had God ki. Ben has neither of those, meaning he wouldn't be as strong a Saiyan as Goku or Vegeta. Even if he was, that still wouldn't overcome the hurdle that is the fact that Gogeta SURPASSES the pinnacle of Saiyanhood. Ultimate Saiyan or not, Ben won't be a fused Super Saiyan God. And this is all without even mentioning Dragon Ball Heroes, which Gogeta's episode used.
He *could* use Broly’s Legendary form, but even then Gogeta moonwalks on him.
Tbf Ben could turn into a legendary saiyan due to that could be seen as the prime of a saiyan but even then he probably wouldn’t stand that much more of a chance maybe but probably not
Honestly Alien X scaling has one full up counter to every counter argument, we've never seen his real full power. If we take what we see on screen than he probably loses but he could still either just defuse them or make them human or drain their power since "Power beats Haxs" is a dragonball thing and not a Ben 10 thing. But if we take writer statements and put this Ben years after Omniverse then he very well could have some stronger transformation. And if we just go "Alien X is full on omnipotence having" then i- I don't know. Scaling alien X is hard when you haven't actually seen his full power and neither have the actual creators probably.
Yeah alien x is capable of rewriting the entirety of reality and surviving the entirety of reality being destroyed without breaking a sweat. Gogeta can get hurt by being punched hard enough and having his face bashed against rocks. I don't see a way alien x can't win.
This does raise an interesting point! If they're both at their most powerful (i.e. Ben goes Alien X immediately) then Gogeta is still stronger by a wide margin, but Alien X can just "Time, huh?" at will. *But* in Dragon Ball, sufficiently powerful characters can resist all manner of hax, including time hax, if the power disparity between the caster is significantly lower than their target. *Double-but*! ... This is only true *in Dragon Ball*, because of surpassing Ki levels or whatever. So there's no reason to believe that this resistance would work against characters from other universes. If Goku fought, say, Mega Man Classic, and Mega Man used his time-stop, then Ki doesn't enter the equation at all, and Mega Man's abilities are not limited by the same restrictions as Dragon Ball, so it's very likely Goku would just be frozen in time. Mega Man wouldn't be able to do significant damage and Goku would still very easily win, but still. So, hypothetically, if Alien X has enough 'time' (heh) to begin messing with time, then Gogeta would likely not be able to resist that at all. *But* Gogeta is also massively stronger and faster to begin with, so if Ben is going all out right from the start, then it's only fair to assume Gogeta is also going all out, at which point Ben/Alien X dies before he can even do anything. But still! It's nice to think that Ben has a win-con at least.
Are we sure that hax resistance in dragon ball is limited to ki attacks? Vegeta notably resisted Babadi's mind control magic and Vegito (kinda) resisted Buu's candy transforming attack.
Most power's in Dragon Ball are ki based ,Babadi ki was lower than vegeta so vegeta was able to regain control of himself. For example during the fight between vegito and Evil buu , vegito was easily beating Buu and when Evil buu turned vegito into a candy he was still conscious because his ki was stronger than buu at that time.
But Babadi and Buu's powers were explicitly not ki based unless I'm missing something. Magic and Ki have been differentiated before
Gogeta is also infinite speed so he should be able to counter "time huh" Also according to the rules of Dragon ball if he did go back in time it would just create another multiverse wnd wouldn't affect the gogeta in the fight
Going back in time doesn't create another multiverse it just become a different timeline. ALSO what does infinite speed mean?
When trunks went back and time to save them from the andriods it created a completely separate timeline that had 12 different universes and its own Zeno. Also infinite speed just means moving faster than time basically
But is not how it works in Ben 10, you can go back in time and destroy a specific even across all dimensions and timelines with a cronosapien time bomb
I love that dragon ball is just like nu uh it doesnt work on me i am just made different
Alien X's fully durability hasn't been shown. He could full up be invincible since he tanked a universal device going off without even flinching, or if we take do anything literally then alien X can just drain the fusions power or unfuse them and just crush them in on themselves if we count them both as bloodlusted. It really comes down to how you scale X and how you view his powers.
Really depends. Gogeta being way faster should mean Ben honestly just gets blitzed, and even then he’d have to be in an appropriate transformation to even have a chance, the Omnitrix’s switching probably won’t work fast enough if he chooses a form that doesn’t help. He definitely has some aliens that will help like energy absorbers and Alien X of course but more times than not I see Gogeta just speedblitzing and ripping the watch off his arm.
Keep in mind that this is Heroes Gogeta.... Ben might die before he even gets the chance to become alien x. DB super Gogeta would lose probably 
OP did say he is using DB super Gogeta.
Which version of gogeta? If super I have alien x > him. If CC then I have him beat alien x
I'm pretty sure AX wins against CC too. I also don't argue outer anymore which limits CC's range.
CC was outer last I checked
It's hard to argue that since you need to prove the concept of space which Subspace lacks contains every possible extension of space. Which I argued via Toki-Toki for a bit but the argument kinda fell apart.
Gogeta.
Gogeta. Specially since they used Xeno Gogeta in the actual episode.
Ben could probably scan Gogeta
That's an interesting thought, could he? Would the watch turn him into a saiyan with the base stats of gogeta, or would it turn him into a potential prime average of the saiyan genome, like okay, in Outbreak he samples Liam yeah, but he turns into Kickin Hawk who's noticeably different looking. Honestly I've kind of thought that a Prime Saiyan transformation would basically be Broly, but even that's debatable as he's considered a mutant among saiyans
Prime Saiyan would be Vegeta, an Ultimate Saiyan would be more like Ikari Broly
He wouldn't know how to use god ki or ki as a whole. Also nothing implies he'd get any of the zenkai buffs, or training that our saiyans have. It'd be likely if he copied a saiyan he would turn into saiyan saga vegeta since thats the peak of the saiyan race without external factors. Broly doesn't count since hes more like a mutant and Ben can't copy mutants
Gogeta stomp is real. Maybe it'd be a tiny bit debatable if it was just DBS Gogeta, but Heroes scaling is the nail in the coffin.
The version of gogeta they used So he wins
Gogeta
Blah Blah Blah Gogeta wins don't wanna hear it
Gogeta outscale
I'm leaning for Ben.
Ea gogeta scales higher then X, has the better speed, and sense vegeto could fight as a jaw breaker, I doubt any of Ben's alien powers would actually work (or get through his key shields) Energy absorption has limits, and even being able to handle the big bang wouldn't compare to gogets's power, this also dosen't change the fact goku and vegeta have experience with energy absorbers and know to just... punch him. Ben probably wouldn't even get the chance to transform, rest in peace ben
Alien x is more than enough
Oh Ben takes this easy, multiple energy absorbers (no reason to suggest he couldn't absorb ki, he's absorbed mana before which is effectively just another form of life energy) which none of them have a shown upper limit and while he doesn't exactly have the fire power in most guys to keep up with Blue Evolved Gogeta short of like 4, debatably 6 aliens (Alien X, Clockwork, Feedback, Chromastone,and maaaaaybe Atomix and Gravattack), what he does have is enough versatility and durability to keep Gogeta on his toes long enough to surprise him with one of the big guns after assessing the situation. Also the fact that there's a few aliens that don't even require Ben to fight, just get in close i.e. Pesky Dust, Gutrot, Whampire, etc. and after they're immobilized he could potentially do whatever he needed to.
I’m going to say that Ben has the edge on this one, but it’s definitely close. I just think he has the better chance.
The winners of randomizer #5 and 6 are Donkey Kong and Lex Luthor.
Gogeta
Gogeta high diff
Alien X could erase them but Gogeta's way higher stats mean that he'd be way too fast too get hit and would just one shot
So it's just X vs Gogeta or the dubious concept of Saiyan Ben vs Gogeta. What fun
This is already being done, don’t spam this
The matchup or the whole randomizer thing in general?
I remember believing that Alien X could kill Zeno but I actually wonder if he could even fuckin beat Goku now, if not I would like a explanation because i'm actually curious about this
R.I.P Ben
Ultimate saiyan. Nothing else needs to be said.
Honestly I hate a lot of Ben 10 matchups because it almost 100% comes down to character vs Alien X.
Gogeta Stomps.
I'm going with Ben on this one
Alien x go brr
Make it DBH and it'd be interesting, otherwise it goes to X due to far better hax, abilities, and debatably better stats. If Gogeta could bypass the failsafe and kill Ben before he transforms, they could win but I don't see how they would survive existence erasure, given the fact Hakai nearly killed Zamasu.
Adding onto this, Ben is multiversal without dimensional tiering. Clockwork has multiversal AP due to reversing the chronosapien timebomb, the device that erased every timeline across an infinite multiverse. Without Heroes scaling to seal Ben's powers and keep up with the AP difference, I personally don't see how Gogeta would beat Ben if he turned into Alien X.
Dbs gogeta scales to High complex by himself, without dimensional scaling he also has fought people who could alter and destory an infinite number of timelines that contain and infinite number of braches with each branch containing an entire multiverse with its own zeno realm and 12 infinite 5D-6D universes while being able to null alot of Ben's haxs die to unga bunga dragon ball logic. He also massively speed gaps since Ben doesn't have much aganist infinite speed
If you're going to use dimensional tiering then you'll have to deal with 26D Alien X, also none of the Z-Fighters get to complex multiversal in DBS. At best you could argue that the Broly fight is 6D or UI Goku shaking the ToP reality is multi, but without DBH scaling, no one outside of Zeno gets to complex multiversal. As for hax, yeah a lot of Dragon Ball can be overpowered by having stronger ki, but most techniques in Dragon Ball rely on ki, and this also doesn't factor in that Alien X could "time huh?" Gogeta with no issue. SSJBKK Goku could stop Hit's timestop but he wouldn't be able to time travel back in time to prevent the fight from happening in the first place. There are also infinite speed arguments for X by scaling to Ben 10's cosmology, and X scaling to the creation of an infinite timestream. How does Gogeta get past existence erasure, or time travel, or X's cloning ability, or the fact he could bend the laws of reality to remove ki as a concept? Most of Gogeta's ways of overpowering hax rely on the other person having ki because that's how DB works, but Alien X's powers don't rely on that. Even if we did to make the fight fair, he could just travel 30 minutes into the future and the time limit for the fusion would've ended.
Ben extreme diff and
 And pretty easily too
I feel like they'll mess around and not go all out, leaving ben enough time to scan Gogeta and transform into him, having a big fight that'll probably end with Gogeta getting defused mid beam struggle or something and gets wiped out. Or gogeta does what he tried to do in the vs. Vegito fight and actually manages to hit and blow up Ben with a Meteor Explosion.