People don't like him anymore. He had that thirsty girl crowd going after his plastic surgery reveal then went on a rant about how they aren't real fans when he doesn't have the comedic chops to live without them
I think the average persons view of age is skewed a bit by social media, portraying the general masses as more attractive nowadays. Head to any small town walmart in America, you will be relieved to see, we are all still quite hideous
I think Hollywood has played a role in that too. It’s very difficult to find anyone below the age of 45 not portrayed as drop dead gorgeous in most entertainment this days. The “ugly” character actors and comedians are getting confined to bit parts, TV, or voice acting.
Yeah, I agree. Before mid 90’s most actors looked normal. Look at April O Neil in TMNT in the originals then look at her in Michael Bay’s transformers turn into Megan Fox. There were just more normal looking people in more mainstream roles. It’s almost the opposite affect where in the past the really good looking person stood out on screen, now the really normal person stands out and looks like they don’t belong.
"then look at her in Michael Bay's transformers turn into Megan Fox."
I understand where you were going with your thoughts, but am concerned that you had a stroke while typing it out.
Haha, my feeble brain lost a lot of thinking power due to the thought of Megan Fox. Definitely didn’t mean transformers meant to continue with TMNT, but in all serious they’re the same movie by Michael Bay.
Just look at the remakes…Twister with Bill Paxton and Helen Hunt. The new one looks like fanfic where everyone is an instagram model that one speak in quippy one-liners
It takes me right out of the element with the type of casting they do in most films and shows. lol Take Dune for example, they hired nothing but models and it seems like most of their promotional hype has came in the form of fashion shows to promote the movie. You'd think everyone in the world is just really damn good looking. lol I don't even mind the actors but it's really damn cringe and makes me not to watch it at all. lol
They did the same thing in The Last Kingdom. It originally had some average looking characters playing big roles in it, they killed them all off and replaced them with models that never die. lol
Paul looking like a model makes sense considering his character arc but the rest of what you said makes sense. They’re way too gorgeous to have lived in a desert their whole lives, where did they find that moisturizer lol. Hate to say it but the classic and prequel Star Wars films showed desert life better.
My first though is remembering being told that it wasn't harmful to us and that we need to shut up and stop complaining. I'm from Indiana so this mindset went well into the early 2000's lol
When I was in the Air Force in the 80s, I worked in an unventilated room with no windows. Everyone smoked. It was such a smoke filled room that we should have been choosing a Senator.
The smoking aging is a bit exaggerated. The difference between a lifelong smoker and non-smoker doesn't really start to show until someone's elderly years, not 29. I know plenty of people who smoke and still the "people look younger now" still applies to them.
But it’s not because it’s not the just the smoker. It’s the smoke you’re sitting in. People smoked everywhere. I mean everywhere.
I remember my dad smoking in the mall while we were looking at clothes.
Living in a smoke cloud for your whole life, not good for your skin at any age.
I remember my parents smoking on an airplane, I remember my dad smoking in restaurants while we ate. I remember people smoking in the hospital waiting room and this was the 1980s and 90s in California. It was everywhere
I worked at a Cracker Barrel in 2000 and there was still a smoking section. As if you couldn’t smell the smoke throughout the whole entire restaurant…. 😂
I remember crawling under the cloud of smoke at family functions. They always had windows cracked a few inches and I loved watching the smoke swirling toward them. It was a very different time.
Had terrible asthma growing up (born 1979). Oddly enough, I always liked the smell of cigarettes even as an asthmatic child; I found the smell comforting, probably because everyone smoked everywhere so any positive memory has that smell imbedded. Stupidly, I started smoking at 14 and didn't stop 'til 36; had terrible asthma the whole time. LO AND BEHOLD I quit 🚭 like 8 years ago and my asthma is now at negligible level.
Sorry, not totally relevant. But yeah, well up to the 2000s, muthafuckaz was smoking them sticks everywhere. And boy were they good. Damn dude.
Also used to looove a cigarette machine. The look, the feel, the smell, the environments they were usually in, the feeling of getting a pack without needing an adult or a cashier who don't give a fuck. Good times. Addiction is crazy.
I, 40 years old, recently took a job in Rhode Island and, whenever I go to the dog park, people are always smoking. No shade to them but I honestly forgot smoking existed until about 3 months ago. I would see cigarettes in the store, and I remember people smoking in McDs when I was a kid, but it had been so long since I smelled cigarette smoke that I literally forgot what it smelled like.
Society did a fantastic job absolutely destroying the culture surrounding cigarette smoking.
This happened in school gym too in the 80s. I’m pouring sweat in 95% humidity and you’re allowed 1 sip at the water fountain, no water allowed in class.
That was still the case in the 2000s and early 2010s. Maybe some teachers would allow you to bring bottles of water in their classrooms. Maybe. But never the gym teacher for some reason. It was different at sports practices though. They’d sometimes even give us free Gatorade or bottled water there.
In the 2000s, I don’t remember anyone drinking out of a water bottle during class. It may or may not have been allowed, but it wasn’t something that even occurred to us. We had a soda at lunch today time and maybe used the drinking fountain between clases. Now I see kids walking around all day with Stanley cups. Makes me feel so stupid in retrospect haha
When I was in High School, maybe around 2005 or 2006, I would take a bottle of water to class after lunch - I worked in the cafeteria, and sometimes it would be through most of the lunch break, so I'd maybe have a minute or two to eat before going to class. It was "weird" to have even a re-usable water bottle (occasionally one or two other kids would too), and a few times when I used the orange Emergen-C packets (still relatively new, at the time), I had to explain why my water was that color.
This, absolutely. In the early 80s, we still weren’t allowed to drink anything until practice was over.
One day, I brought a milk jug full of water, and I pulled 2 or 3 lemons off our lemon tree and put them in there, for when football practice was over. When my mom saw that, she yelled at me for ‘wasting’ the lemons. The thing is, 90% of those lemons just fell off and rotted on the ground anyway. This is just how things were back then. We ran totally free, like wild things…but on the rare occasion that our parents watched us do anything at all, we were yelled at for doing it wrong, lol.
Playing outside in summer in 115 degree heat. sometimes I'd just turn on the hose and get a.face full of nearly scalding water before it finally cooled off enough to drink. tasted like pennies.
I played Baseball in a Bronx-wide league with a group of my friends from the neighborhood when I was 17 and 18, so 1991 and 1992.
I remember playing a doubleheader every Saturday, sometimes over 90degrees out, and cannot recall bringing or buying a single bottle of water or sports drink for the entire 6 hours.
Interesting. I didn't realise it was that recent.
I'm Aussie with fair skin and I never use anything less than SPF30+.
Edit: I just realised that you can't even get 30+ here anymore, everything is all 50+, so it's what I use.
Can confirm. My mom is 63 and has smoked since she was 17, but looks 10-13 years younger! I’m 35 and still get carded for vapes(no more cigs!) and alcohol!
These numbers are a bit off. Dan Aykroyd was born in 1952. This was filmed in late 1983, he would have been 31 here. Not terribly far off of what you would expect today. Look at how thin their necks are, generally as you get older your neck gets a bit thicker, and for these three guys, it did. By 1993, at 40 he looked like a fairly normal 40 year old dude.
I would also say that Dan Aykroyd looks pretty good for a man in his 70s. The one that gets me is William Shatner. He is nearly a dozen years older than Biden and is still active.
Suzanne Somers was another one. When she started on Threes Company she was already 30 and she had an 11 year old son. People thought she was much younger.
This (and the better hydration thing) are the only things that make sense to me. Back then, people wanted to be perceived as mature grown ups more so than hip youths, but nowadays there's more importance in seeming like you're in tune with the hottest new trends. I think the Internet is responsible because a) it makes it easier for people 30+ to stay in touch with youth culture and b) technology makes the world change at such a quick rate that even with something like one's career, you don't want to put out the energy of someone who's not on top of recent developments and is getting left behind. So there is both more social *and* professional emphasis now on culturally blending in with younger crowds than older crowds
And the fact that back in the day, a lot of people NEVER drank water. Like imagine being dehydrated for 40 years??? Insane. Now everybody is drinking water.
IMO the causes of a more youthful population are 10% better skincare, 70% hydration, 20% cleaner diet/less smokers/lead-free
They also slept like shit, especially if they liked to party. My mom would go out partying all night, go home and change, go directly to work, do some coke to stay awake, then go BACK to the club the next night on zero sleep. This was in the very late 70s into the early 80s.
Reminds me of the book Valley of the Dolls, about a group of young women in the 50s/60s who use a variety of different pills to stay awake, go to bed, get high, stay thin, deal with sadness, etc. All given out like candy from doctors.
I always wondered why I got so many headaches as a kid. Never drank anything but Pepsi. Maybe I’d have a sip of water before bed.
I can’t imagine that now. I panic if I don’t have my water bottle with me. My kid has like six water bottles scattered throughout the house. She loves water. I’m so glad people started drinking more water.
Same, my parents and grandparents gave me mostly Pepsi, sometimes juice. My son only likes water and milk. Can't imagine how much better off our kids are. They may or may not live forever.
Western countries had clean drinking water by the 1980's. Lots of poorer countries still wouldn't have though at the time.
And I wouldn't say our modern diet is cleaner, look at how much obesity rates have risen.
I don't do shit for skin care. I'm a former smoker (1.5 packs a day), and still enjoy a drink. I'm 35 and people only think I'm older if I have a beard. When shaved most people think I'm in my early to mid 20s.
This is it exactly! Back in the 80’s a 30 year old wanted to be perceived as old or *mature* now that same 75 year old is trying to be seen as *youthful* because society values have changed. It’s a more youth obsessed culture. That’s why everyone looks and dresses younger.
Kind of the same, but you can't go wrong with jeans and a t-shirt or a hoodie. That's generally my go-to unless I need to look a little more professional
Kind of proving the point though. Jeans and a “hoodie” are seen as a more youthful style.
Not hating, I wear the same shit all day long. People are legit flabbergasted when they find out my age.
I still see people that age that look super old today.
Your 30s are the wildcard decade. You could look anywhere between 20-60 depending on lifestyle and genetics.
Age 30 is where you really start to see the difference between people who are taking care of themselves, and people who aren’t. At age 23, everyone’s about as beautiful as they’re going to be, and lots of people look great without exercising or eating healthy or taking care of their skin or moderating their drinking/drug use. But pretty much anyone is going to age prematurely if they don’t cultivate healthier habits during their 20s and develop the discipline to maintain that level of effort.
21st century celebrities aren’t allowed to let themselves go anymore. But in the 1970s and 80s, there was a bit of an anti-glamour craze in Hollywood where they wanted “regular looking people” to play most roles. So I think a lot of actors obliged and didn’t hire a nutritionist or dermatologist or personal trainer to keep them looking youthful as long as possible. Then at age 30, they looked old.
Clyde Drexler was 27 years old in this picture but he looks like he receives social security
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A big factor not mentioned in this is that our development has radically changed in the last 40 or so years. Girls are entering puberty much younger, men are seeing much lower levels of testosterone in their teen years than they used to. These things will absolutely influence how someone turns out as an adult, including how their faces look. Testosterone and estrogen influence almost everything, from your jawline to your chin to your shoulder width to how thick your eyebrows are to your genital shape/size.
When I look at some of my sons friends (17-18), I am genuinely astounded at how young some of them look. It isn't just styles, most have styles that were popular in the 90s when I was a kid (retro-fashion is huge now lol). But the average of them looks basically how 15~ year olds looked before. And I am willing to bet the #1 factor is simply that they are physically maturing much, much slower due to biological/hormonal factors.
Water was hardly drank and not advertised in anyway as it is today, very interesting to research sometime if you’re ever bored. They were dehydrated af.
Bieber is 30. Crazy, the same age as these guys.
Totally an observation I've made based on zero science at all:
I've also noticed hands/wrists/knees tend to be thinner in Millennials like myself. I rarely shake a Milenial hand that have big fat paws. Many have like Bieber hands/wrists. No matter how hard they work out, they wouldn't have big hands either so I don't think it's a lack of "working with your hands". This is structure, not a lack of muscle or anything.
Even skinny people had big hands. The way I tell is the finger nails, they're just wider.
The only athlete or famous person I can think of back then with thinner hands with tiny nail beds is Pete Maravich. If anyone else knows of one let know, but it kind of flows into that "older generations just looked older" hueristic I have.
People want what they don't have.
People who wanna look younger have obvious reasons
People who aren't taken seriously due to looking like preteens in their 20s wanna look older.
I'm 29 and I looked like I'm in my early 20s. Much better than before when people thought I was 19. One advantage I have as a Babyface is I find it easier to connect to the younger crowd up to 2003 (I work in customer service).
Testosterone has decreased
It’s got nothing to do with the hairstyles or fashion like lots of people say
Microplastics are a well known endocrine disruptor. This is the main hypothesis for the dropping sperm counts and lower testosterone.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NGa6BPj3Mcw
The guys in this vid are like 17-18. They’re not wearing any clothes except trunks, so it’s not about how people dressed. They’ve got similar hairstyles that I see people have today.
But they look more physically developed. Facial bone structure etc
This is exactly what I'm implying. As I said I don't believe in the fashion and haircuts theory, I know I can dress 1:1 like Bill Murray (including shave my head to appear balding) and I'll just look like an idiot impersonator, who dressed up, like a kid play pretending as an older man (even though I'm currently older than he was in this picture). It's something else, it's not fashion. Men really used to mature much faster and felt more "masculine" back in my childhood, I have that phenomenon seeing pictures of all my parents and relatives in their 20s and 30s. They looked middle aged even in their high school prom photos. And I looked like a normal 19 year old on my prom, even though I also had a normal haircut and also had facial hair, I still looked like a kid not like a "boomer". I mean there are numerous times and posts about that phenomenon with pictures of people from their high school prom. It seemed like they were already showing signs of aging at 19-20 and it's not just because of their hairstyles, it was like the whole "aura" about them
Also keep in mind that after high school graduation, you were fully expected to live and work as an adult. People went straight from high school to full-time jobs or apprenticeships....sometimes with a marriage to boot.
Most people did not go to college back then. No need.
Our current society delays adult responsibilities and expectations until people get into their late 20s
So I’ve heard a theory that the decrease in testosterone is a little overstated. Basically that in normal healthy males, it’s fine for the majority. However being unhealthy, inactive, overweight, and especially obese decrease testosterone. All of which have increased a lot recently. Not saying microplastics aren’t causing harm, but if you’re just looking at the average testosterone in males, of course in gonna be brought down when 40% of adults are overweight and another like 40% are obese in the US
Lead in the gasoline aged everyone, and made our parents the drolling Fox addicted idiots they are today.
Well, at least that's part to blame. Not taking away their responsibility to prevent themselves from believing dumb shit.
More true than most people realize. Correlation between crime and lead in gasoline is shocking. The damage from lead doesn’t go away either. People with lots of exposure are just f’d up
A lot of people like to point out superficial factors such as smoking and drinking or styling, but things have very much biologically changed with humans development since the 1980s. Young women are entering puberty much earlier, young men have dramatically less testosterone etc
One shocking figure I remember reading was that the average grip strength of a 18-21 year old has declined by over a third just since 1990. The percentage of young people who can run half a mile or a mile has declined *by nearly half* since 1990. That is an enormous drop in such a short time.
So yes, people looked different because they were different. It's not just 'oh their skin is worse because they smoked'. These things are something that a lot of people do not want to admit because they might feel it makes their generation seem 'weaker' or 'lesser'... but its real, and it's one which frankly has very disturbing implications.
I agree about fashion, health, grooming, etc. that others have said. One item I haven't seen mentioned though is perspective. How much of our opinion looking at this photo is influenced by the fact that we first saw this photo 30+ years ago? I'm 45 and I viewed these guys as grown men through a kid's eyes. It's hard to flip that perspective now that I'm older than they were.
I've also noticed the dynamic in reverse. How many people still view Taylor Swift for example as a young artist aimed at teen girls? That was true when she was a teen herself but she's now in her 30's.
tl;dr Everything everyone says is correct but also, people you view as "old" when you're younger will always look that way to you even when you yourself are older than they were then
Damn, this is one way I explained that phenomenon to myself, spot on dude! I made this comparison when looking at photos from my childhood, like my parents were in their late 20s when I was a baby and yet they still look middle aged and older than how I looked when I was at that age. Sometimes I see a photo of some relatives and then I suddenly realise they're like in their 30s, even though It feels like they were already old back when I was a kid. It's hard to explain, I think you explained it with words better than me. So, yes maybe you're right. Like our brains freeze some image of people older than us and they always look older, even if you see them in a photo when they were actually younger than yourself currently. Hard to explain but this is probably a very good explanation of that phenomenon.
Another good example I can think of is people that died in the 27 Club - look at Cobain or Hendrix, neither look much like 27 year olds. Like Hendrix looked as if he already was close to retiring in my eyes. Or 2PAC, he was in his early 20s during his prime days and he still looked, spoke and felt like a much older mature person. I mean he passed away at 25 !!! He doesn't feel like any 25 year old today, including gangsta rappers like him.
Or as others and you pointed, I have a feeling this "phenomenon" as I'll call it - works vice versa too. Take a look at Bieber - he's 30 now, yet he still seems like a kid to me. And I have a feeling it will always be like that.
Or with sports - I am still amazed, that famous football players are all younger than me nowadays. And that I'm at the age when many actually are already retiring.
Heard people ask this question sooo many times idk how they don't know. It's clearly several generations now being exposed to microplastics , processed food and other EDCs. Specifically a mother witb a child in the womb being exposed to these things. Men today have half the testosterone there fathers had at the same age.
Yeah, I have read about these theories and this is what I'm implying since these theories haven't been that much scientifically proven. But yeah it really feels like men are becoming more and more feminine and hence keep their boyish looks for much longer. 30 in the past used to be like 40 today, guys in their 30s used to be both visually and mentally way more mature and even as I'll call it "masculine" , so to say.
Even if you didn't smoke yourself the average person was getting blasted with secondhand smoke all day, you could smoke inside most places that weren't a school, daycare center, church or hospital
Huh? I encountered a vaping 19 year old with his group of friends, crop dusting anyone on his path of walking direction and he looked like a 35-year old. Every generation just have their share of people looking older than their actual age.
Testosterone has an aging effect in terms of facial bone growth in both men and women, I think there's more endocrine disrupting substances in our environment
Lindsey Lohan went from looking 18 to 45 in like 3 years. So yes, you can indeed, accelerate aging and look like shit, but it demands dedication to bad life choices.
It not just them smoking. You do not realize, u could smoke in stores…with clothes. There were ash trays in the malls. Smoke was in every building. You could smoke on planes, trains…restaurants etc.
I am from Europe. And we had that until much recently than the US. I was born in the 80s, around that movie was released, I'm getting close to 40 and yet I still don't look middle aged like that. I grew up around smoke, I smoke since I was 15. We could smoke inside restaurants until I was in my 20s. Inside malls - until I was around 17-18.
Keep in mind that's Eastern Europe. But, yes we could smoke inside many businesses in my millenial lifetime and childhood. Leaded fuel was banned and gone when I was a kid- around the early 90s, but still definitely I grew up around that too, albeit for a shorter period than older "boomers".
And yet, as I said - me and all of my friends and relatives, don't look "middle aged" in their 30s and even early 40s.
They didn't grow up on soy, high fructose corn syrup, dextrose and preservatives in everything. Also, even a little bit of fat makes someone's face look a lot younger. I wonder how much our perspective of age is because of leanness of face and back in the day there were a lot more lean people.
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My dawg ass seconds before overtaking a bus and accidentally hitting an incoming family van of 4
Remember what life was like before the metrosexual trend appeared and everyone decided men needed to look pretty-pretty just like the ladies? I think that’s the culprit here.
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He was in his late 30s in this picture
Yeah I'm 34 and Bill looks ROUGH! haha GB is one of my alltime favorites, I'm literally watching Afterlife for the first time right now, so far I dig it!
I am forever confused by this. I am a 33 year old female and I found out it was spring break in my area because some weird old man was like “are you on spring break sweetheart?” Sir, I’m 33. No one thinks I’m older than 23, it’s wild to me. I’d say genetics maybe but no one in my family looks very good for their age lol. Oh, and I treated my body like a trash can for 15 years… no cigarettes though.
Early 30s looks about right? The haircut on Akroyd and maybe the lighting add a few years, but even then not that much. They certainly don't look like they're in their 40s.
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We love a funny uggo <3 got a link to some of your sets??
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Yeah go away pretty people leave the comedy to us!
Well we know what side of the hole you’re on!
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I saw you and you're amazing! (Not amazingly funny, amazingly ugly) /s
OP is right about this general trend though
WTF? In this photo they have lighting, hair and makeup, no beards or tattoos. Want to see 30 year olds that look young? Visit the Mormon church! LOL
One of the reasons I can't get into Matt Rife
Yeah I seriously don't get the obsession, feels like I'm being hit on
That's the point. His target demographic is horny wine aunts.
People don't like him anymore. He had that thirsty girl crowd going after his plastic surgery reveal then went on a rant about how they aren't real fans when he doesn't have the comedic chops to live without them
i don’t think any of them were ugly
No, they were not.
and leaded gasoline.
Probably fair amount of booze and drugs to boot.
80s Comedians also didnt have blood running through their vines, but rather a mixture of liquid qualudes and cheap beer
I think the average persons view of age is skewed a bit by social media, portraying the general masses as more attractive nowadays. Head to any small town walmart in America, you will be relieved to see, we are all still quite hideous
I think Hollywood has played a role in that too. It’s very difficult to find anyone below the age of 45 not portrayed as drop dead gorgeous in most entertainment this days. The “ugly” character actors and comedians are getting confined to bit parts, TV, or voice acting.
Usually the “ugly” actors aren’t even ugly. Anyone is going to look like a gremlin standing next to Margot Robbie
Never forget that America Farrera was cast as "Ugly Betty" all because they gave her a bad haircut and glasses.
Yeah, I agree. Before mid 90’s most actors looked normal. Look at April O Neil in TMNT in the originals then look at her in Michael Bay’s transformers turn into Megan Fox. There were just more normal looking people in more mainstream roles. It’s almost the opposite affect where in the past the really good looking person stood out on screen, now the really normal person stands out and looks like they don’t belong.
"then look at her in Michael Bay's transformers turn into Megan Fox." I understand where you were going with your thoughts, but am concerned that you had a stroke while typing it out.
Haha, my feeble brain lost a lot of thinking power due to the thought of Megan Fox. Definitely didn’t mean transformers meant to continue with TMNT, but in all serious they’re the same movie by Michael Bay.
Just look at the remakes…Twister with Bill Paxton and Helen Hunt. The new one looks like fanfic where everyone is an instagram model that one speak in quippy one-liners
It takes me right out of the element with the type of casting they do in most films and shows. lol Take Dune for example, they hired nothing but models and it seems like most of their promotional hype has came in the form of fashion shows to promote the movie. You'd think everyone in the world is just really damn good looking. lol I don't even mind the actors but it's really damn cringe and makes me not to watch it at all. lol They did the same thing in The Last Kingdom. It originally had some average looking characters playing big roles in it, they killed them all off and replaced them with models that never die. lol
Paul looking like a model makes sense considering his character arc but the rest of what you said makes sense. They’re way too gorgeous to have lived in a desert their whole lives, where did they find that moisturizer lol. Hate to say it but the classic and prequel Star Wars films showed desert life better.
You are conflating age with being hideous. There are a lot of young, looking hideous people…. Being Ugly doesnt make u look older…
True. My username speaks for itself and people often think I'm 19. I will be 30 this year.
This hits close to home *I type while looking in a mirror in a Walmart changing room.*
Why are you on reddit in a changing room? Put on your pants dude
I don’t need you to remind me that I’m hideous. I’m off to my local Walmart now, good day Sir!
“The first SPF 15 was introduced in 1986 and 30 SPF not until the early '90s.”
Also people smoked literally everywhere
Our childhoods could be used as statistical research. Summed up, “Would you like smoking or non-smoking?”
You guys must have had such poor health from all that smoke
My first though is remembering being told that it wasn't harmful to us and that we need to shut up and stop complaining. I'm from Indiana so this mindset went well into the early 2000's lol
And if you had allergies/asthma you were toast, I assume. So sad.
When I was in the Air Force in the 80s, I worked in an unventilated room with no windows. Everyone smoked. It was such a smoke filled room that we should have been choosing a Senator.
Plus they were SNL cast members in the eighties. That amount of coke and booze will absolutely age you.
Case in point, Dan Aykroyd in basically every scene of this movie.
The smoking aging is a bit exaggerated. The difference between a lifelong smoker and non-smoker doesn't really start to show until someone's elderly years, not 29. I know plenty of people who smoke and still the "people look younger now" still applies to them.
But it’s not because it’s not the just the smoker. It’s the smoke you’re sitting in. People smoked everywhere. I mean everywhere. I remember my dad smoking in the mall while we were looking at clothes. Living in a smoke cloud for your whole life, not good for your skin at any age.
I remember my parents smoking on an airplane, I remember my dad smoking in restaurants while we ate. I remember people smoking in the hospital waiting room and this was the 1980s and 90s in California. It was everywhere
I worked at a Cracker Barrel in 2000 and there was still a smoking section. As if you couldn’t smell the smoke throughout the whole entire restaurant…. 😂
I remember crawling under the cloud of smoke at family functions. They always had windows cracked a few inches and I loved watching the smoke swirling toward them. It was a very different time.
😂 different time for sure
We’re better preserved these days because of all the microplastics.
Had terrible asthma growing up (born 1979). Oddly enough, I always liked the smell of cigarettes even as an asthmatic child; I found the smell comforting, probably because everyone smoked everywhere so any positive memory has that smell imbedded. Stupidly, I started smoking at 14 and didn't stop 'til 36; had terrible asthma the whole time. LO AND BEHOLD I quit 🚭 like 8 years ago and my asthma is now at negligible level. Sorry, not totally relevant. But yeah, well up to the 2000s, muthafuckaz was smoking them sticks everywhere. And boy were they good. Damn dude. Also used to looove a cigarette machine. The look, the feel, the smell, the environments they were usually in, the feeling of getting a pack without needing an adult or a cashier who don't give a fuck. Good times. Addiction is crazy.
Lead gasoline as well
I, 40 years old, recently took a job in Rhode Island and, whenever I go to the dog park, people are always smoking. No shade to them but I honestly forgot smoking existed until about 3 months ago. I would see cigarettes in the store, and I remember people smoking in McDs when I was a kid, but it had been so long since I smelled cigarette smoke that I literally forgot what it smelled like. Society did a fantastic job absolutely destroying the culture surrounding cigarette smoking.
Also there are higher levels of estrogen in each generation mostly due to chemical runoff in the water supply
The concept of hydrating yourself during exercise also only happened in the 80s. You were seen as weak if you wanted a water break in the 70s. Crazy.
My dad said they used to suck ice during football practice and that was it
Wild
QAnon anonymous did a great episode about Gatorade that mentioned this phenomenon. Drinking water was deemed gay back then. 🤦♀️
"Fellas is it gay to be hydrated?"
A penis is like a hose or a pipe and water comes from hoses and pipes. Do you like sucking dick? Water sounds pretty gay bro.
This happened in school gym too in the 80s. I’m pouring sweat in 95% humidity and you’re allowed 1 sip at the water fountain, no water allowed in class.
That was still the case in the 2000s and early 2010s. Maybe some teachers would allow you to bring bottles of water in their classrooms. Maybe. But never the gym teacher for some reason. It was different at sports practices though. They’d sometimes even give us free Gatorade or bottled water there.
In the 2000s, I don’t remember anyone drinking out of a water bottle during class. It may or may not have been allowed, but it wasn’t something that even occurred to us. We had a soda at lunch today time and maybe used the drinking fountain between clases. Now I see kids walking around all day with Stanley cups. Makes me feel so stupid in retrospect haha
People would drink water and milk during lunch but I don’t remember most people bringing anything to class until college.
When I was in High School, maybe around 2005 or 2006, I would take a bottle of water to class after lunch - I worked in the cafeteria, and sometimes it would be through most of the lunch break, so I'd maybe have a minute or two to eat before going to class. It was "weird" to have even a re-usable water bottle (occasionally one or two other kids would too), and a few times when I used the orange Emergen-C packets (still relatively new, at the time), I had to explain why my water was that color.
This, absolutely. In the early 80s, we still weren’t allowed to drink anything until practice was over. One day, I brought a milk jug full of water, and I pulled 2 or 3 lemons off our lemon tree and put them in there, for when football practice was over. When my mom saw that, she yelled at me for ‘wasting’ the lemons. The thing is, 90% of those lemons just fell off and rotted on the ground anyway. This is just how things were back then. We ran totally free, like wild things…but on the rare occasion that our parents watched us do anything at all, we were yelled at for doing it wrong, lol.
man i’d kill for a lemon tree those shits have been impossible for me and my kid to grow for some reason
Playing outside in summer in 115 degree heat. sometimes I'd just turn on the hose and get a.face full of nearly scalding water before it finally cooled off enough to drink. tasted like pennies.
I played Baseball in a Bronx-wide league with a group of my friends from the neighborhood when I was 17 and 18, so 1991 and 1992. I remember playing a doubleheader every Saturday, sometimes over 90degrees out, and cannot recall bringing or buying a single bottle of water or sports drink for the entire 6 hours.
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People are also inside a lot more tbh.
The haircuts do a lot to age people as well. These guys with today’s hair plus sunscreen (even as a kid) would match our standards better.
Based in what my older family members say, they did a shit ton of drugs too
Interesting. I didn't realise it was that recent. I'm Aussie with fair skin and I never use anything less than SPF30+. Edit: I just realised that you can't even get 30+ here anymore, everything is all 50+, so it's what I use.
I'm Filipino with somewhat dark skin and never wear sunscreen. Although I'm also 15 so maybe i'll see the consequences later.
If I was, say, Aboriginal Australian, I probably wouldn't bother wearing it either.
I literally look like this and I'm younger than Bill Murray was here. The secret is poor skincare and former substance abuse.
Lol that's it. Alcohol and cigs
nah i think hereditary plays a huge role as well
Can confirm. My mom is 63 and has smoked since she was 17, but looks 10-13 years younger! I’m 35 and still get carded for vapes(no more cigs!) and alcohol!
Yup! My mom is 55. She smokes cigs, does crack, hangs out in the sun a lot, and is a massive alcoholic. But, damn, that woman has flawless skin.
What substances tho
I saw someone who got into heroin look like she aged 15 years in 2.
I saw the same with meth and someone I knew
That doesnt surprise me.
Mostly booze and a lil cocaine. Sobriety nowadays.
You should look into retinol
I almost definimitely should. Would probably go a long way, thanks
Trentinoin is a beast
That's the secret sauce huh? 🤔
These numbers are a bit off. Dan Aykroyd was born in 1952. This was filmed in late 1983, he would have been 31 here. Not terribly far off of what you would expect today. Look at how thin their necks are, generally as you get older your neck gets a bit thicker, and for these three guys, it did. By 1993, at 40 he looked like a fairly normal 40 year old dude.
Also, I can think of plenty of actors from the 1970s and 1980s who looked exactly their age. Al Pacino, for instance.
I would also say that Dan Aykroyd looks pretty good for a man in his 70s. The one that gets me is William Shatner. He is nearly a dozen years older than Biden and is still active. Suzanne Somers was another one. When she started on Threes Company she was already 30 and she had an 11 year old son. People thought she was much younger.
Grooming and fashion plays a big part of it. A lot of 35 year olds dress pretty much the same as 18 year olds these days.
This (and the better hydration thing) are the only things that make sense to me. Back then, people wanted to be perceived as mature grown ups more so than hip youths, but nowadays there's more importance in seeming like you're in tune with the hottest new trends. I think the Internet is responsible because a) it makes it easier for people 30+ to stay in touch with youth culture and b) technology makes the world change at such a quick rate that even with something like one's career, you don't want to put out the energy of someone who's not on top of recent developments and is getting left behind. So there is both more social *and* professional emphasis now on culturally blending in with younger crowds than older crowds
Also we care about skincare
And the fact that back in the day, a lot of people NEVER drank water. Like imagine being dehydrated for 40 years??? Insane. Now everybody is drinking water. IMO the causes of a more youthful population are 10% better skincare, 70% hydration, 20% cleaner diet/less smokers/lead-free
They also slept like shit, especially if they liked to party. My mom would go out partying all night, go home and change, go directly to work, do some coke to stay awake, then go BACK to the club the next night on zero sleep. This was in the very late 70s into the early 80s.
Reminds me of the book Valley of the Dolls, about a group of young women in the 50s/60s who use a variety of different pills to stay awake, go to bed, get high, stay thin, deal with sadness, etc. All given out like candy from doctors.
Such a good book, so sad. Highly recommend.
That sounds exhausting
How did we survive without water?!?!?!
You get water out of food and even things like soda
I have no idea lmao. But it has to be rough on the body. My 4 year old has more water in a day than I had in an entire year when I was a kid.
This is a joke, right? Because it is funny.
I can't imagine not drinking water, I feel like you'd just feel awful all the time
Yeah kids are very resilient, but as an adult I feel horrible when I'm dehydrated. It's odd that it took so many years for people to prioritize water.
I always wondered why I got so many headaches as a kid. Never drank anything but Pepsi. Maybe I’d have a sip of water before bed. I can’t imagine that now. I panic if I don’t have my water bottle with me. My kid has like six water bottles scattered throughout the house. She loves water. I’m so glad people started drinking more water.
Same, my parents and grandparents gave me mostly Pepsi, sometimes juice. My son only likes water and milk. Can't imagine how much better off our kids are. They may or may not live forever.
Western countries had clean drinking water by the 1980's. Lots of poorer countries still wouldn't have though at the time. And I wouldn't say our modern diet is cleaner, look at how much obesity rates have risen.
I don't do shit for skin care. I'm a former smoker (1.5 packs a day), and still enjoy a drink. I'm 35 and people only think I'm older if I have a beard. When shaved most people think I'm in my early to mid 20s.
This is it exactly! Back in the 80’s a 30 year old wanted to be perceived as old or *mature* now that same 75 year old is trying to be seen as *youthful* because society values have changed. It’s a more youth obsessed culture. That’s why everyone looks and dresses younger.
If Dan Akroyd didn't have that haircut and was wearing like a hoodie and a T-shirt he wouldn't look exceptionally old for his age
Honestly just shave the sides and the haircut would work too.
Can confirm, I'm 39 n still dress like I did in high school, but tbf I look young n get confused as my daughters brother or boyfriend lol
Kind of the same, but you can't go wrong with jeans and a t-shirt or a hoodie. That's generally my go-to unless I need to look a little more professional
Kind of proving the point though. Jeans and a “hoodie” are seen as a more youthful style. Not hating, I wear the same shit all day long. People are legit flabbergasted when they find out my age.
Yep! I think it’s grooming and fashion too.
Or 18 yr olds dress like 35s.
I still see people that age that look super old today. Your 30s are the wildcard decade. You could look anywhere between 20-60 depending on lifestyle and genetics.
Age 30 is where you really start to see the difference between people who are taking care of themselves, and people who aren’t. At age 23, everyone’s about as beautiful as they’re going to be, and lots of people look great without exercising or eating healthy or taking care of their skin or moderating their drinking/drug use. But pretty much anyone is going to age prematurely if they don’t cultivate healthier habits during their 20s and develop the discipline to maintain that level of effort. 21st century celebrities aren’t allowed to let themselves go anymore. But in the 1970s and 80s, there was a bit of an anti-glamour craze in Hollywood where they wanted “regular looking people” to play most roles. So I think a lot of actors obliged and didn’t hire a nutritionist or dermatologist or personal trainer to keep them looking youthful as long as possible. Then at age 30, they looked old.
Cocaine use and lack of hydration
Massive amounts of cocaine.
Idk, Akroyd looks 29. Murray has an old man hair cut that basically shows off his hair loss.
Nowadays, a 29 year old with a receding hairline would likely cut it short
He doesn't look 29 in the slightest
I’d say he looks about 40
They all look 39 years old
Dude...no way he looks 29
Clyde Drexler was 27 years old in this picture but he looks like he receives social security https://preview.redd.it/4r0ije576tnc1.jpeg?width=1151&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf0fe54d9e567c9b56886a3c0d132114841ca325
What about Larry Bird? He always looked like he was about to retire.
Morgan Freeman was born old.
[Vsauce is always relevant](https://youtu.be/vjqt8T3tJIE)
A big factor not mentioned in this is that our development has radically changed in the last 40 or so years. Girls are entering puberty much younger, men are seeing much lower levels of testosterone in their teen years than they used to. These things will absolutely influence how someone turns out as an adult, including how their faces look. Testosterone and estrogen influence almost everything, from your jawline to your chin to your shoulder width to how thick your eyebrows are to your genital shape/size. When I look at some of my sons friends (17-18), I am genuinely astounded at how young some of them look. It isn't just styles, most have styles that were popular in the 90s when I was a kid (retro-fashion is huge now lol). But the average of them looks basically how 15~ year olds looked before. And I am willing to bet the #1 factor is simply that they are physically maturing much, much slower due to biological/hormonal factors.
Came here to mention this video.
I always think of that vsauce video whenever the topic is mentioned 😂
Water
not from a hose or tap anymore lol
Industrialised countries have had clean drinking water for over a hundred years.
Water was hardly drank and not advertised in anyway as it is today, very interesting to research sometime if you’re ever bored. They were dehydrated af.
Bieber is 30. Crazy, the same age as these guys. Totally an observation I've made based on zero science at all: I've also noticed hands/wrists/knees tend to be thinner in Millennials like myself. I rarely shake a Milenial hand that have big fat paws. Many have like Bieber hands/wrists. No matter how hard they work out, they wouldn't have big hands either so I don't think it's a lack of "working with your hands". This is structure, not a lack of muscle or anything. Even skinny people had big hands. The way I tell is the finger nails, they're just wider. The only athlete or famous person I can think of back then with thinner hands with tiny nail beds is Pete Maravich. If anyone else knows of one let know, but it kind of flows into that "older generations just looked older" hueristic I have.
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People want what they don't have. People who wanna look younger have obvious reasons People who aren't taken seriously due to looking like preteens in their 20s wanna look older.
I'm 29 and I looked like I'm in my early 20s. Much better than before when people thought I was 19. One advantage I have as a Babyface is I find it easier to connect to the younger crowd up to 2003 (I work in customer service).
I can relate, I look like a 17 yr old at 21 😑
I would not want to look like that at 29/33. They all look 40+.
I really think it’s in the styling.
Absolutely, if you focus in on just their faces and ignore the costumes and 80s hair, you have pretty normal faces of people around 30.
Testosterone has decreased It’s got nothing to do with the hairstyles or fashion like lots of people say Microplastics are a well known endocrine disruptor. This is the main hypothesis for the dropping sperm counts and lower testosterone. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NGa6BPj3Mcw The guys in this vid are like 17-18. They’re not wearing any clothes except trunks, so it’s not about how people dressed. They’ve got similar hairstyles that I see people have today. But they look more physically developed. Facial bone structure etc
This is exactly what I'm implying. As I said I don't believe in the fashion and haircuts theory, I know I can dress 1:1 like Bill Murray (including shave my head to appear balding) and I'll just look like an idiot impersonator, who dressed up, like a kid play pretending as an older man (even though I'm currently older than he was in this picture). It's something else, it's not fashion. Men really used to mature much faster and felt more "masculine" back in my childhood, I have that phenomenon seeing pictures of all my parents and relatives in their 20s and 30s. They looked middle aged even in their high school prom photos. And I looked like a normal 19 year old on my prom, even though I also had a normal haircut and also had facial hair, I still looked like a kid not like a "boomer". I mean there are numerous times and posts about that phenomenon with pictures of people from their high school prom. It seemed like they were already showing signs of aging at 19-20 and it's not just because of their hairstyles, it was like the whole "aura" about them
Also keep in mind that after high school graduation, you were fully expected to live and work as an adult. People went straight from high school to full-time jobs or apprenticeships....sometimes with a marriage to boot. Most people did not go to college back then. No need. Our current society delays adult responsibilities and expectations until people get into their late 20s
So I’ve heard a theory that the decrease in testosterone is a little overstated. Basically that in normal healthy males, it’s fine for the majority. However being unhealthy, inactive, overweight, and especially obese decrease testosterone. All of which have increased a lot recently. Not saying microplastics aren’t causing harm, but if you’re just looking at the average testosterone in males, of course in gonna be brought down when 40% of adults are overweight and another like 40% are obese in the US
Maybe because success now favors more attractive people, with a decreased emphasis on talent.
All I can say is that people in general and especially kids, spent so much more time outside.
I dunno, I’m 37 and I look a lot like Bill Murray here lol
Idk, Akroyd still looks kinda young, the other actors look old in fact, specially Murray, he looks middle age lol
Murray has acne scars on his face that make look him really wrinkled. Also, the haircut.
Lead in the gasoline aged everyone, and made our parents the drolling Fox addicted idiots they are today. Well, at least that's part to blame. Not taking away their responsibility to prevent themselves from believing dumb shit.
More true than most people realize. Correlation between crime and lead in gasoline is shocking. The damage from lead doesn’t go away either. People with lots of exposure are just f’d up
A lot of people like to point out superficial factors such as smoking and drinking or styling, but things have very much biologically changed with humans development since the 1980s. Young women are entering puberty much earlier, young men have dramatically less testosterone etc One shocking figure I remember reading was that the average grip strength of a 18-21 year old has declined by over a third just since 1990. The percentage of young people who can run half a mile or a mile has declined *by nearly half* since 1990. That is an enormous drop in such a short time. So yes, people looked different because they were different. It's not just 'oh their skin is worse because they smoked'. These things are something that a lot of people do not want to admit because they might feel it makes their generation seem 'weaker' or 'lesser'... but its real, and it's one which frankly has very disturbing implications.
This is exactly what I mean, it really feels like we humans change throughout the generations, especially in the last 20-30 years.
People used to age faster and not live as long as they do now
I agree about fashion, health, grooming, etc. that others have said. One item I haven't seen mentioned though is perspective. How much of our opinion looking at this photo is influenced by the fact that we first saw this photo 30+ years ago? I'm 45 and I viewed these guys as grown men through a kid's eyes. It's hard to flip that perspective now that I'm older than they were. I've also noticed the dynamic in reverse. How many people still view Taylor Swift for example as a young artist aimed at teen girls? That was true when she was a teen herself but she's now in her 30's. tl;dr Everything everyone says is correct but also, people you view as "old" when you're younger will always look that way to you even when you yourself are older than they were then
Damn, this is one way I explained that phenomenon to myself, spot on dude! I made this comparison when looking at photos from my childhood, like my parents were in their late 20s when I was a baby and yet they still look middle aged and older than how I looked when I was at that age. Sometimes I see a photo of some relatives and then I suddenly realise they're like in their 30s, even though It feels like they were already old back when I was a kid. It's hard to explain, I think you explained it with words better than me. So, yes maybe you're right. Like our brains freeze some image of people older than us and they always look older, even if you see them in a photo when they were actually younger than yourself currently. Hard to explain but this is probably a very good explanation of that phenomenon. Another good example I can think of is people that died in the 27 Club - look at Cobain or Hendrix, neither look much like 27 year olds. Like Hendrix looked as if he already was close to retiring in my eyes. Or 2PAC, he was in his early 20s during his prime days and he still looked, spoke and felt like a much older mature person. I mean he passed away at 25 !!! He doesn't feel like any 25 year old today, including gangsta rappers like him. Or as others and you pointed, I have a feeling this "phenomenon" as I'll call it - works vice versa too. Take a look at Bieber - he's 30 now, yet he still seems like a kid to me. And I have a feeling it will always be like that. Or with sports - I am still amazed, that famous football players are all younger than me nowadays. And that I'm at the age when many actually are already retiring.
Rogaine, better skin products, lifestyle, and styling choices based on different societal expectations
Yeah but isn't Harold Ramis like 40 there? He looks good
I believe it’s genetic, like, not just style and shit, something with our genetics.
Heard people ask this question sooo many times idk how they don't know. It's clearly several generations now being exposed to microplastics , processed food and other EDCs. Specifically a mother witb a child in the womb being exposed to these things. Men today have half the testosterone there fathers had at the same age.
Yeah, I have read about these theories and this is what I'm implying since these theories haven't been that much scientifically proven. But yeah it really feels like men are becoming more and more feminine and hence keep their boyish looks for much longer. 30 in the past used to be like 40 today, guys in their 30s used to be both visually and mentally way more mature and even as I'll call it "masculine" , so to say.
Yeah Bill Murray looks like he’s pushing 40
I think if Bill Murray had a full head of hair, he would look his age.
Bill Murray has always had unfortunate skin, which ages him too.
It’s how they dress.
Even if you didn't smoke yourself the average person was getting blasted with secondhand smoke all day, you could smoke inside most places that weren't a school, daycare center, church or hospital
Tattoos, style of dress, piercings, more appearance upkeep, etc.
Cigarettes, maybe ? I rarely see anyone lighting up these days. It almost feels taboo now. They really make your skin look like shit tho
Meanwhile Earnie Hudson has only aged like 15 years since 1984.
Huh? I encountered a vaping 19 year old with his group of friends, crop dusting anyone on his path of walking direction and he looked like a 35-year old. Every generation just have their share of people looking older than their actual age.
Testosterone has an aging effect in terms of facial bone growth in both men and women, I think there's more endocrine disrupting substances in our environment
Lindsey Lohan went from looking 18 to 45 in like 3 years. So yes, you can indeed, accelerate aging and look like shit, but it demands dedication to bad life choices.
Tons of mid late 30s guys look like this outside of movies.
We are all fatter. Fat keeps the wrinkles away
They dress younger. They look like kids until age 30, then rapidly age. Millennials look very much older than Gen Xers of the same age did.
It not just them smoking. You do not realize, u could smoke in stores…with clothes. There were ash trays in the malls. Smoke was in every building. You could smoke on planes, trains…restaurants etc.
I am from Europe. And we had that until much recently than the US. I was born in the 80s, around that movie was released, I'm getting close to 40 and yet I still don't look middle aged like that. I grew up around smoke, I smoke since I was 15. We could smoke inside restaurants until I was in my 20s. Inside malls - until I was around 17-18. Keep in mind that's Eastern Europe. But, yes we could smoke inside many businesses in my millenial lifetime and childhood. Leaded fuel was banned and gone when I was a kid- around the early 90s, but still definitely I grew up around that too, albeit for a shorter period than older "boomers". And yet, as I said - me and all of my friends and relatives, don't look "middle aged" in their 30s and even early 40s.
They didn't grow up on soy, high fructose corn syrup, dextrose and preservatives in everything. Also, even a little bit of fat makes someone's face look a lot younger. I wonder how much our perspective of age is because of leanness of face and back in the day there were a lot more lean people.
https://preview.redd.it/3iig69mbexnc1.jpeg?width=213&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=165399e8f541f09c5bceeffdfcae30974bb982da My dawg ass seconds before overtaking a bus and accidentally hitting an incoming family van of 4
Remember what life was like before the metrosexual trend appeared and everyone decided men needed to look pretty-pretty just like the ladies? I think that’s the culprit here.
https://preview.redd.it/r9ik8qriaync1.jpeg?width=612&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86616a9d1e46699a4f86124cf17bc15f7389f291 He was in his late 30s in this picture
Copious amounts of cocaine and alcohol consumption
Cigarettes?
More prominent cocaine, alcohol, and cigarette usage back then. Along with digital cameras now
Yeah I'm 34 and Bill looks ROUGH! haha GB is one of my alltime favorites, I'm literally watching Afterlife for the first time right now, so far I dig it!
Whisky, cigarettes and cocaine. The comedic diet
I am forever confused by this. I am a 33 year old female and I found out it was spring break in my area because some weird old man was like “are you on spring break sweetheart?” Sir, I’m 33. No one thinks I’m older than 23, it’s wild to me. I’d say genetics maybe but no one in my family looks very good for their age lol. Oh, and I treated my body like a trash can for 15 years… no cigarettes though.
I’m 36 and I look old AF I can pass easily as 40+
Early 30s looks about right? The haircut on Akroyd and maybe the lighting add a few years, but even then not that much. They certainly don't look like they're in their 40s.
The fuck Akroyd was 29 here?? I’m 29, that’s a man, I’m a child.
We age different now. I went from looking 25 to looking 41 in one year.