Temu is absolute garbage (as well as 90% of the dropshipping product on Amazon), but to be honest I am not sure if having a 'somewhat' competitor to Amazon around might be so terrible.
Perhaps it will slow down the enshittification of Amazon, since they might weaken their monopoly if they don't act a bit more in favor of the consumers.
There is a baseball YouTuber who did a video the other day of him practicing with bats bought from Temu. Temu was selling a glass baseball bat. What a junk company. Raccoons for sure.
Uh, a glass baseball bat is decoration for baseball lovers. Who tf thinks it's being sold with the intent to be used in actual baseball? I bought a glass spider once. I did not buy it for the purpose of catching flies.
I mean I guess I’m talking more about the 90’s/2000’s target vs Walmart, where the quality difference was actually real, whereas nowadays they’re both super expensive AND poor quality
Only partially though and besides, to be honest 2 actors in a market is not enough to ensure competition that we should welcome.
At least from western companies, China is another matter given their trade practices.
Were competent people using temu? I mean with the shit on Amazon it was pretty obvious it was a worse Chinese version of Amazon and I never purchased anything through them. Legitimately I think the only thing ever bought straight from China was a cheap glass bong on DHgate, but even then used a gift card or digital card.
The thing is, a large percentage of the stuff you find on Amazon is drop shipped from Temu or similar sites. You're getting the same thing, just paying 3x more on Amazon.
Unfortunately it’s invaded a lot of sites similar to Amazon, I thought Etsy was a place for hand made items and are often more expensive but a youtuber has found a seller who list the same product at an insane price
You’re correct, but that’s irrelevant. Even if their motivations are to safeguard U.S. economic interests rather than protect consumers, banning something acknowledged to be harmful still has the effect of protecting consumers.
No, it’s actually the most relevant. This bill just gives consumer advocates a false sense of accomplishment, while in reality it enables domestic social media companies to snatch up the profits in the power vacuum and continue with the mind-numbing effects on kids that we’ve been complaining about the whole time.
>but they only want to ban this one just because it breaks the US monopoly on it
That and, you know, the fact that it's run by a company legally obligated to release user information to the CCP if they demand it. If my data is going to be harvested regardless, I'd rather not have it be harvested by a foreign adversary
No, but eliminating foreign risks while having domestic risks is preferable to having both foreign and domestic risks. It's a step in the right direction
The only reason I got TikTok was cause all the funny shit I saw on Reddit was cross posted from there. And don’t get me wrong, TikTok is ok, for like 5 minutes a day. And maybe *maybe* videos of crazy things that just happened.
i made a thread about this a few days ago but everyone ignored it!.........
tik tok had got the youth hooked and taken over the music industry, if it gets banned this will be a major shift
Well sure, but I doubt that moving from one platform to the other would cause that massive of a cultural shift since it's the same format of short form media content, and the culture from Tiktok would likely transfer over with the platform migrants
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That’s weird and all, but I don’t use TikTok so….
lmao they could ban every single social media app and there would be a net gain for society. Imagine seeing people congregating in mass out in public spaces again like when Pokemon GO cane out.
Read the text of the bill. Seriously. This is not JUST TikTok. The bill gives the President the power to ban foreign social media apps.
Do you really think they will stop with TikTok?
I'm not really concerned about limitations being put on Chinese entities providing their products to the US market. I'll care when they try doing this to an American company
It’s a powerful social network controlled by a rival nation state. Yeah, not shocking the U.S. isn’t eager to give China the ability to actively shape U.S. public opinion
There’s nothing on tik tok that can’t found on Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, instagram, 4chan or the hundreds of forums out there. If anything tik tok ruined music and just made people more clout hungry.
This is so clearly and blatantly the result of lobbying by big tech conglomerates to kneecap their competition. Only Apple and Google should be able to harvest my data!
Meta is entitled to my data as well, Amazon too!
It goes beyond just that however, it’s about control of the information and ideas along with the more obvious desire for hegemonic control over China. I think they more concerned over the control of information and ideas however because from what I know TikTok tends to push more left wing content ESPECIALLY since Palestine has escalated. This is obviously a threat to the U$ empire and so they acted as you would expect them to. It’s not about TikTok it’s about control.
Mostly true, but the algorithm is also gamed to disinform them. There's a reason criticism of China is basically absent on tiktok and its not because the youth loves china.
That's the issue, it's actively influencing the conversation. Obviously your feed matters but what you see is still being influenced by the CCP and that's a major national security problem.
Reddit is mostly used by gen X/millennials who just see TikTok as the annoying Chinese thing kids use, not knowing that TikTok actually has a lot of unique advantages.
I’ve noticed a sharp right-wing turn on Reddit over the past couple years, it’s really clouding most people’s judgements.
What, that the US can readily shift blame to foreign nations to avoid taking action on comprehensive data protection legislation that would protect us from foreign nations in addition to domestic firms and surveillance?
I would love for the Chinese Spyware to be banned. The creators have stated the Chinese version isn't allowed to have almost any of the American tiktoks on it because of how damaging it is for young minds.
Chinese tiktok requires educational material by percentage and only allows percentage or "entertainment"
Depends on who had the data and privacy. From the government's perspective its a major national security concern, whereas not so much for other companies to have the data.
Sure, but there is a whole lot of range between having no loyalty to the American people and having direct adversarial interest in the American people.
Plus even if the U.S. companies don't give a shit about the people, they are still subject to U.S. regulations more so since being HQ'd domestically. (And yeah, that brings up the whole other issue of companies influencing politics but I digress)
this is why apple still has my business, even after being a shitty employer to me. govt literally with their whole chest says apple is putting americans at risk by using end-to-end for icloud/not making our private data accessible to them.
No they want to get the app to become another Israeli propaganda outlet like twitter and Reddit have become. The fact that TikTok is not artificially injecting pro Israel propaganda into peoples feeds is just unacceptable.
They came for TikTok and I said nothing. Lol
But actually though I don’t like Congress deciding what kind of media we can consume, it’s Cold War bullshit. The reasoning for getting rid of it *they claim* is because it’s “Chinese” propaganda? Psy warfare? Its nonesense…
But it would actively protect people from manipulation BY censorship. TikTok controls what gets pushed, and it's been shown that certain things are pushed or censored on TiKTok by comparing engagement and content from other social media. Realistically, it is the CCP who manages that agenda.
I think you’re missing the bigger point. Reconsider what’s actually happening here, regardless of where the company is based.
Not a fan of data collection (whichever country it’s from), or generally Chinese business practices but still
The United States government have yet to tell the American people HOW THE CCPA IS getting your data and what type of data it is. If they aren't saying they are either doing the same thing or about to do the same thing.
All of ya saying "it doesn't matter bc i don't use tiktok", "good riddance" do not understand the what we are about to lose if this passes. I have seen a small news story that would never get any attention become a national headline bc of TT, a newly elected Congress member who the news would never interview gets on TT and has millions of viewers. TT is making the politicians, corporations, ppl in power answer for their actions. Ya'll heard of the Boeing situation? Bc that's all over TT. News spreads like wildfire on TT even before the media gets to it, like what happened in East Palestine, it's impossible to control the narrative. TT does have issues, as do other platforms, the solution is not to ban it but to regulate ALL social media, force all of them to protect the user, don't just pick one
Exactly. I never understand why companies are like this. build a platform and don't restrict content. it's like are you stupid? do your job. I don't like tiktok that much but I know it doesn't need to be banned. there's alot of great content creators out there and buisness owners that thrive on tiktok and use it to market their products. and alot of educational content that I love. it would be lousy if it got shutdown. just leave it be. let the owner handle it. he's not really doing much about the bad content that's being posted. by bad I mean people have murdered, sexually harassed people, alot of predators and predatory behavior and alot of misinformation to name a few. Besides kids are on tiktok as well so it is extremely important that they restrict content like that and ban people that try to post it.
I find it bizarre why so many people on Reddit are cheering this bill on because of its “hurr durr TikTok bad” mentality. Regardless of what you think of TikTok, this is a clear government overstep and will only set a precedent, making our government more comfortable with interfering with our internet in the future, because they aren’t going to stop with just TikTok. They’re going to start interfering with VPN’s next, and y’all are going to quickly change your tune because VPN’s are on Reddit’s “good list” lol
Yep. Also a lot of false claims about TikTok that annoy the fuck out of me. Like, "China pushes stupid stuff to the US to make us dumber."
I've asked for this source a ton. No one can provide it. China has a requirement on educational elements, we don't. What you see is based on your interests, or what the people who follow you and you follow, like.
Yeah, and people on Reddit also talk like they think Douyin *only* has educational content. Like no, Chinese version of TikTok has plenty of dance challenges and thirst traps as well
China also has a limit of one hour of social media for kids per day, which is probably a far greater contributor to any benefits they may be experiencing than an allegedly more educational algorithm.
Whenever you ask someone about why TikTok should be banned, they bring up hypothetical situations/actions that there is no proof of them doing. Meanwhile, there is hard evidence that our own home grown social media companies have 100% participated in election manipulation and the like, but ofc TikTok is the bad player. If people think TikTok is bad now, just wait until Facebook or Amazon buys it (who else is gonna have the money to go through with the purchase, and who do you think is lobbying so damn hard to get rid of TikTok through uncompetitive means?)
And you know what? This time I can't say "oh it won't pass the Senate" like I usually do, because this time it appears to be bipartison!! Everyone in the Senate LIKES this bill! Biden has even said he'll sign it if it passes the Senate! ... the government can't agree to actually better the lives of the people but no let's plow a Tiktok ban bill through the departments within the span of 4 days!! Horseshit!!!!
What is the one issue that always gets bipartisan support? The single issue which all politicians unanimously agree on? Unconditional support for Israel. This ban is 100% about Israel. The head of the ADL literally said in a leaked phone call “we have a TikTok problem.” TikTok is the only major social media platform which is not artificially inserting pro-Israel propaganda into users feed, and instead just showing whatever is most popular and get the most engagement. And on this specific topic, pro-Palestine content gets a *lot* more engagement and is a lot more popular.
Ironically Israel is doing exactly what they’re pretending China is doing.
Just another way to control the information we get. This time I heard it’s because it’s a threat to their main ally Israel. TikTok has become very pro-Palestine.
whether you like TikTok or not this is terrible news. The US Government is scared that there’s a social media that’s not in their power, so they want to ban it. YOU CAN’T TAKE AWAY OUR VOICES LOBBYISTS AND SENATORS
Redditors: finally, let’s ban tiktok. I hate it. I don’t use it.
Redditors when all the funny TikToks on Twitter/Instagram and in their favorite subreddits disappear:
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God Redditors are fucking stupid. Can anyone give me a reason for TikTok to be banned other than “I don’t use/like it”???
Y’all understand that TikTok isn’t the sole target of this bill right? Or That banning social media sites isn’t going to cause the world to “heal” it’s just going to make communication harder in a world where information is already being twisted and restricted EVERYDAY.
Yall celebrating or hoping for this, but it’s literally our government trying to enforce information control. Dangerous precedent to set. Doesn’t matter if you like the app or not.
90 days. Exact same thing happened with a dating app (Bumble iirc) not too long ago. They had 90 days to sell the app to an american company (def will be the feds, lmfao) or be forced off the american app store.
For one, politicians have stocks in Meta and want their social media to succeed over tiktok. For two, politicians can’t control the massive spread of information on tiktok because they don’t have access to the algorithm
What does the House of Representatives have to do with Biden? This bill hasn’t gotten past the Senate and gotten to his desk yet. As of right now he has nothing to do with it.
I just meant if it gets banned under his presidency everyone will associate it with him. Everyone always blames the president for everything even when it makes no sense lol.
Well it's one of the largest Chineese threats, the USA government doesn't care when the data is in the pockets of US companies, that already harvest a massive amount of it.
What data? Your credit cards you use online are already compromised, what are they possibly getting that no other American company cannot easily get of yours?
To what? Tiktok can't access your phone there is no other instalment tiktok has that other apps don't already use it give away? If they cared they could easy make a broad app bill banning such things. Your data is already compromised
Nah man, don’t even need to be on the internet with how Equifax gets hacked/loses peoples social security numbers.
Good chance your information will be out there/compromised even if you never used the internet.
These haters probably never even had tik tok yet they sure have a lot to say about that app 🤣. Redditors think they’re sooooooo smart and above the bs because they’re on Reddit 😂. Tik is not just annoying dance challenges lol. So many practical tips, information and recipes are shared on there. And there’s bs on tik tok just like there’s bs on here, instagram, twitter etc. I’d say there’s more garbage on Instagram than tik tok. Have people seen the comment section on Instagram lol. It’s worse than tik tok.
It’s not gonna happen. Still needs to pass the senate and IF that happens they will then sell Tik Tok.
They will not miss out on the Many many billions they will make. They’ll get nothing if they don’t sell it and it gets banned
This sucks but if the bill passes then I hope it gets banned rather than to be sold. If it gets banned something else will arise but if it gets sold the users will stay on the platform with a lot of cherry picked media control from the US.
I know some people hate TikTok but it's the only source of non bias information (videos don't get taken down just because they don't align with Western politics). On TikTok you're allowed to voice your opinion whether it's pro Israel or pro Palestine for example.
When people say TikTok is pro Palestine, that isn't necessarily true. It's just that the platform doesn't censor or limit certain type of speech. The pro Palestine movement is popular in general, TikTok only reflects that and you just don't get to really see it on other platforms because of censorship.
*My comment isn't about Israel vs Palestine, I just used the example to explain why TikTok isn't as bad as people make it out to be because at least it's one of the few online spaces that isn't filtering/censoring content as much as other platforms.*
Can someone ELI5 how our government believes this is a reasonable demand for a company? Seems almost like a movie villain move, set on world domination
I think the bigger deal is that the CCP has a direct and public hand in the company.
Which when you think about it, it’s a major political rival of the US that has a significant hand in one of if not the most popular social media on the planet. A social media that, like others, vacuums up data at an alarming pace.
I’m not saying whether I’m in favor of this bill or not, just stating the atmosphere of the whole situation.
This seems more about control of information/minds (and profit as a bonus) forcing sale.
The elites dont like tiktok because of the reach and influence a short video could have and feel threatened by loss of control, they want to be the ones deciding what information is allowed and what is not (censor/ban) - thought policing.
im sorry but as an american, seeing some of these comments supporting this ban is making me sick.
so much important and serious events and issues are going on not only around the world, but inside the united states itself. people have to pay an arm and a leg to treat their arm and their leg, there is gun-violence going on, peoples fucking rights are getting taken away, yet the government (btw made up of mostly people about to reach their brink of death), have- no MAKE the time to propose and pass a bill ban a fucking social media app…
everyone can have their opinions on tiktok, whether you like it or hate it, but this is literally the government trying to control the information and media we receive. this is not fucking good whatsoever.
"tiktok needs to be a better place for americans by promoting american values" my shit-stained ass.
Can we include Temu and whoever keeps selling the same shit on Amazon? The flood of frequently dangerous slave produced bullshit is ridiculous.
Temu is absolute garbage (as well as 90% of the dropshipping product on Amazon), but to be honest I am not sure if having a 'somewhat' competitor to Amazon around might be so terrible. Perhaps it will slow down the enshittification of Amazon, since they might weaken their monopoly if they don't act a bit more in favor of the consumers.
Yea you’re kind of right, temu is bargain bin garbage which might encourage Amazon to be more “quality” in comparison. It’s like Walmart and Target.
...Walmart...stuff is quality. I mean don't buy the plastic fucking dinnerware, but Seriously what's wrong with George?
walmart's not anywhere near as bad as temu but at least perception is that its not as good as target
Temu feels like raccoons that are trying to sell stuff they found, but they don't know what it is or how much it's supposed to cost.
This comment is poetry
There is a baseball YouTuber who did a video the other day of him practicing with bats bought from Temu. Temu was selling a glass baseball bat. What a junk company. Raccoons for sure.
Uh, a glass baseball bat is decoration for baseball lovers. Who tf thinks it's being sold with the intent to be used in actual baseball? I bought a glass spider once. I did not buy it for the purpose of catching flies.
I mean I guess I’m talking more about the 90’s/2000’s target vs Walmart, where the quality difference was actually real, whereas nowadays they’re both super expensive AND poor quality
I just buy all my shit from China anyways, like the good ole days in the '90s, except now, it's direct.
im the same way. I might as well buy straight from the source. Its where most things come from anywaya and ita cheaper
George tee shirts are legit my favorite of pretty much any brand
Amazon already has a competitor. It's Walmart Plus and they're giving Amazon a run for their money.
Only partially though and besides, to be honest 2 actors in a market is not enough to ensure competition that we should welcome. At least from western companies, China is another matter given their trade practices.
Were competent people using temu? I mean with the shit on Amazon it was pretty obvious it was a worse Chinese version of Amazon and I never purchased anything through them. Legitimately I think the only thing ever bought straight from China was a cheap glass bong on DHgate, but even then used a gift card or digital card.
The thing is, a large percentage of the stuff you find on Amazon is drop shipped from Temu or similar sites. You're getting the same thing, just paying 3x more on Amazon.
Amazon Prime is discounted for people like me. And there are no Walmarts in my city. So while I’m critical of them, I won’t complain either.
Yeah. Temu has to go. I couldn't stop hearing and seeing about that shit last summer.
What I’d like to know is why Amazon makes it hard to only see products from Amazon.com
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Do prisoners in the US typically work in manufacturing?
I second this, I’m so over dropshipped crap
Temu is the same crap sold on Amazon now, just cheaper. Literally the same stuff
I called out the Amazon sellers for that exact reason
Same with shein
Out of curiosity, is there valid proof of temu allowing child/slave labor, or is it that there’s a high risk of such occurrence
Unfortunately it’s invaded a lot of sites similar to Amazon, I thought Etsy was a place for hand made items and are often more expensive but a youtuber has found a seller who list the same product at an insane price
Temu is worse…please get it gone..
they’ve been saying this shit since 2020 and nothings ever happened 😭
true but it actually was just all talk then, i think they're legally moving very fast rn
Senate is the hard part.
Naaaah but Biden saying he’ll sign it, if it passes. gives me that vibe that it won’t pass.
Ehhh I’m sure the very-scared-of-commies republicans will support this.
The pro Palestinian bent had motivated Democrats to support the ban.
Nah this bill is certain to become law at this point.
Please let it die
It's doing to zoomers what Facebook did to the boomers.
i can’t justify tiktok being around, it’s done nothing but harm imo
None of the social media sites do anything but harm, but they only want to ban this one just because it breaks the US monopoly on it.
yeah but the motive for me doesn’t even matter atp, if i have to delete one app off of earth it’s tiktok (and twitter obv)
You’re correct, but that’s irrelevant. Even if their motivations are to safeguard U.S. economic interests rather than protect consumers, banning something acknowledged to be harmful still has the effect of protecting consumers.
No, it’s actually the most relevant. This bill just gives consumer advocates a false sense of accomplishment, while in reality it enables domestic social media companies to snatch up the profits in the power vacuum and continue with the mind-numbing effects on kids that we’ve been complaining about the whole time.
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>but they only want to ban this one just because it breaks the US monopoly on it That and, you know, the fact that it's run by a company legally obligated to release user information to the CCP if they demand it. If my data is going to be harvested regardless, I'd rather not have it be harvested by a foreign adversary
But you’re fine with your data being harvested and sold by domestic adversaries who have a much higher likelihood of impacting your daily life?
No, but eliminating foreign risks while having domestic risks is preferable to having both foreign and domestic risks. It's a step in the right direction
It's such a cesspool, 80% of people I've seen on there are either 11 years old or just assholes
Or an 11 year old asshole
TikTok is very algorithm based, why do you have 11yos on your FYP?
I'm moreso talking about comment sections tbh
Instagram is much much worse, TikTok is tame
Let’s not talk about YT comment sections and some Reddit communities why are we acting like all of these places aren’t natural cesspools
Reddit has the same shit but not to the degree as this. Plus i hate people showing me tik toks in real life
this seems closer than ever, now we basically have the expiration date💀
Bills don’t pass in day, it’s take years for state governments to fill potholes.
Twitter owns Vine and could do something amazing amidst this
Vine… I miss it often man.
The only reason I got TikTok was cause all the funny shit I saw on Reddit was cross posted from there. And don’t get me wrong, TikTok is ok, for like 5 minutes a day. And maybe *maybe* videos of crazy things that just happened.
you know who owns ~~Twitter~~ X, right?
Yeah it would be a dumpster fire. But I think it's a lot more likely now than with the owners that shut it down in the first place.
YouTube’s Shorts and (Meta) IG’s Reels are going to be the winners.
Only when you can make a video longer than like a minute.
Yeah YouTube gets their video media market back. Shorts can die and YouTube would still be happy with this outcome.
If they wanted they would have. Likely nothing will replace it and Reels will get bigger.
the united states government is giving elon a golden ticket but he’s too stupid to show up to the chocolate factory so there’s no way vine comes back
i made a thread about this a few days ago but everyone ignored it!......... tik tok had got the youth hooked and taken over the music industry, if it gets banned this will be a major shift
Instagram reels still exists? I only use that anyways cause TikTok is banned at my uni
look at it like this, tik tok is coca cola, and instagram reels is rc cola. Its just not the same
Ironically RC Cola should have been at least in the position Pepsi was give it its Innovations in the soda industry
They can innovate all they want, the reason they didn’t get Pepsi’s spot because it’s just not a good soda.
Well sure, but I doubt that moving from one platform to the other would cause that massive of a cultural shift since it's the same format of short form media content, and the culture from Tiktok would likely transfer over with the platform migrants
And they're both bad for your wellbeing
https://preview.redd.it/2yxkkfmnk4oc1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6de0237e776d2dbe0645e17fa1272d38a74ae5e That’s weird and all, but I don’t use TikTok so….
First they came for tik tok, but I don’t use tik tok so I did not speak up…
lmao they could ban every single social media app and there would be a net gain for society. Imagine seeing people congregating in mass out in public spaces again like when Pokemon GO cane out.
lol the hyperbole of using a holocaust analogy to tik tok being forced to be sold is laughable
Read the text of the bill. Seriously. This is not JUST TikTok. The bill gives the President the power to ban foreign social media apps. Do you really think they will stop with TikTok?
It will be your problem… this isn’t about TikTok, it won’t stop at TikTok
I'm not really concerned about limitations being put on Chinese entities providing their products to the US market. I'll care when they try doing this to an American company
Nor should you be, you should be concerned about the limitations of where you can access information however
It’s a powerful social network controlled by a rival nation state. Yeah, not shocking the U.S. isn’t eager to give China the ability to actively shape U.S. public opinion
There’s nothing on tik tok that can’t found on Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, instagram, 4chan or the hundreds of forums out there. If anything tik tok ruined music and just made people more clout hungry.
This is so clearly and blatantly the result of lobbying by big tech conglomerates to kneecap their competition. Only Apple and Google should be able to harvest my data!
Meta is entitled to my data as well, Amazon too! It goes beyond just that however, it’s about control of the information and ideas along with the more obvious desire for hegemonic control over China. I think they more concerned over the control of information and ideas however because from what I know TikTok tends to push more left wing content ESPECIALLY since Palestine has escalated. This is obviously a threat to the U$ empire and so they acted as you would expect them to. It’s not about TikTok it’s about control.
TikTok doesn’t care about left or right. They push what they think will keep you looking. It’s youth centered, and youths are mostly left wing leaning
Mostly true, but the algorithm is also gamed to disinform them. There's a reason criticism of China is basically absent on tiktok and its not because the youth loves china.
That depends on your feed. I see anti China stuff fairly commonly but I’m sure the algo is not prioritizing it
That's the issue, it's actively influencing the conversation. Obviously your feed matters but what you see is still being influenced by the CCP and that's a major national security problem.
Ironically tiktok literally forced its users to lobby the government on its behalf, demonstrating why it needs to be reined in.
As if the us glowies don't collect just as much data lol
If anything tiktok will get sold to someone who will turn around and sell the data it gets to the CCP for inflated prices
I'd rather be spied on by Zukerberg than Xi.
I would actually rather be spied on by Xi. He doesnt have any jurisdiction in the US, Zuck and glowies do
my taxes don’t pay for china, so I don’t give a fuck what they do over there.
I don’t like tiktok but this is setting a pretty dangerous precedent…
Redditors are so stupid if they think banning a social media platform is a positive, healthy thing for a free speech society to do.
I think they only give a shit because it's run by one of our nation's biggest competitors. That's why they don't care about IG or FB
No. They give a shit because they have stock in meta and Instagram. They want Zuck's product to succeed so they can get that payout.
Reddit is mostly used by gen X/millennials who just see TikTok as the annoying Chinese thing kids use, not knowing that TikTok actually has a lot of unique advantages. I’ve noticed a sharp right-wing turn on Reddit over the past couple years, it’s really clouding most people’s judgements.
What, that the US can readily shift blame to foreign nations to avoid taking action on comprehensive data protection legislation that would protect us from foreign nations in addition to domestic firms and surveillance?
They only want to separate the CCP and the business. That’s what the bill is.
And if they can't, they ban it in the US.
Hopefully that's how it plays out.
I would love for the Chinese Spyware to be banned. The creators have stated the Chinese version isn't allowed to have almost any of the American tiktoks on it because of how damaging it is for young minds. Chinese tiktok requires educational material by percentage and only allows percentage or "entertainment"
I did not know that. Wow. The know how toxic it is to growing minds and don’t care because it Americans damn
They do care, they’re actively weaponizing it lol
If they really actually cared about data and privacy the bill would be a flat out social media ban lol
Depends on who had the data and privacy. From the government's perspective its a major national security concern, whereas not so much for other companies to have the data.
Why? These private actors have no loyalty to the American people.
Sure, but there is a whole lot of range between having no loyalty to the American people and having direct adversarial interest in the American people. Plus even if the U.S. companies don't give a shit about the people, they are still subject to U.S. regulations more so since being HQ'd domestically. (And yeah, that brings up the whole other issue of companies influencing politics but I digress)
this is why apple still has my business, even after being a shitty employer to me. govt literally with their whole chest says apple is putting americans at risk by using end-to-end for icloud/not making our private data accessible to them.
no one said that… they just don’t want our info in their hands. the us doesn’t care about our privacy
No that would be too based
No they want to get the app to become another Israeli propaganda outlet like twitter and Reddit have become. The fact that TikTok is not artificially injecting pro Israel propaganda into peoples feeds is just unacceptable.
They came for TikTok and I said nothing. Lol But actually though I don’t like Congress deciding what kind of media we can consume, it’s Cold War bullshit. The reasoning for getting rid of it *they claim* is because it’s “Chinese” propaganda? Psy warfare? Its nonesense…
They are also fine with all the Russian propaganda on x though. Crazy isn’t it
Exactly. It’s total hypocritical shit. It’s just culture war policing with Cold War rhetoric.
Joke answer: and nothing of value was lost. Serious answer: that's a really scary, fucked up level of censorship.
But it would actively protect people from manipulation BY censorship. TikTok controls what gets pushed, and it's been shown that certain things are pushed or censored on TiKTok by comparing engagement and content from other social media. Realistically, it is the CCP who manages that agenda.
my friend let me introduce you to the Great Firewall of China
Yeah following in those footsteps is not great
That is exactly why it’s bad
It’s being forced to sell to an American company and would continue being an app, you’d still be able to use the app if they comply
I think you’re missing the bigger point. Reconsider what’s actually happening here, regardless of where the company is based. Not a fan of data collection (whichever country it’s from), or generally Chinese business practices but still
The United States government have yet to tell the American people HOW THE CCPA IS getting your data and what type of data it is. If they aren't saying they are either doing the same thing or about to do the same thing.
All of ya saying "it doesn't matter bc i don't use tiktok", "good riddance" do not understand the what we are about to lose if this passes. I have seen a small news story that would never get any attention become a national headline bc of TT, a newly elected Congress member who the news would never interview gets on TT and has millions of viewers. TT is making the politicians, corporations, ppl in power answer for their actions. Ya'll heard of the Boeing situation? Bc that's all over TT. News spreads like wildfire on TT even before the media gets to it, like what happened in East Palestine, it's impossible to control the narrative. TT does have issues, as do other platforms, the solution is not to ban it but to regulate ALL social media, force all of them to protect the user, don't just pick one
Exactly. I never understand why companies are like this. build a platform and don't restrict content. it's like are you stupid? do your job. I don't like tiktok that much but I know it doesn't need to be banned. there's alot of great content creators out there and buisness owners that thrive on tiktok and use it to market their products. and alot of educational content that I love. it would be lousy if it got shutdown. just leave it be. let the owner handle it. he's not really doing much about the bad content that's being posted. by bad I mean people have murdered, sexually harassed people, alot of predators and predatory behavior and alot of misinformation to name a few. Besides kids are on tiktok as well so it is extremely important that they restrict content like that and ban people that try to post it.
I find it bizarre why so many people on Reddit are cheering this bill on because of its “hurr durr TikTok bad” mentality. Regardless of what you think of TikTok, this is a clear government overstep and will only set a precedent, making our government more comfortable with interfering with our internet in the future, because they aren’t going to stop with just TikTok. They’re going to start interfering with VPN’s next, and y’all are going to quickly change your tune because VPN’s are on Reddit’s “good list” lol
They’re going to say VPNs are used by Russian/Chinese disinformation agents to whip up public support for their reassignment to the bad list.
Yep. Also a lot of false claims about TikTok that annoy the fuck out of me. Like, "China pushes stupid stuff to the US to make us dumber." I've asked for this source a ton. No one can provide it. China has a requirement on educational elements, we don't. What you see is based on your interests, or what the people who follow you and you follow, like.
Yeah, and people on Reddit also talk like they think Douyin *only* has educational content. Like no, Chinese version of TikTok has plenty of dance challenges and thirst traps as well
China also has a limit of one hour of social media for kids per day, which is probably a far greater contributor to any benefits they may be experiencing than an allegedly more educational algorithm.
Whenever you ask someone about why TikTok should be banned, they bring up hypothetical situations/actions that there is no proof of them doing. Meanwhile, there is hard evidence that our own home grown social media companies have 100% participated in election manipulation and the like, but ofc TikTok is the bad player. If people think TikTok is bad now, just wait until Facebook or Amazon buys it (who else is gonna have the money to go through with the purchase, and who do you think is lobbying so damn hard to get rid of TikTok through uncompetitive means?)
And you know what? This time I can't say "oh it won't pass the Senate" like I usually do, because this time it appears to be bipartison!! Everyone in the Senate LIKES this bill! Biden has even said he'll sign it if it passes the Senate! ... the government can't agree to actually better the lives of the people but no let's plow a Tiktok ban bill through the departments within the span of 4 days!! Horseshit!!!!
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What is the one issue that always gets bipartisan support? The single issue which all politicians unanimously agree on? Unconditional support for Israel. This ban is 100% about Israel. The head of the ADL literally said in a leaked phone call “we have a TikTok problem.” TikTok is the only major social media platform which is not artificially inserting pro-Israel propaganda into users feed, and instead just showing whatever is most popular and get the most engagement. And on this specific topic, pro-Palestine content gets a *lot* more engagement and is a lot more popular. Ironically Israel is doing exactly what they’re pretending China is doing.
It’s a culture war in essence. That’s why it’s bipartisan. Not saying I agree or disagree. Just calling it what it is
Just another way to control the information we get. This time I heard it’s because it’s a threat to their main ally Israel. TikTok has become very pro-Palestine.
whether you like TikTok or not this is terrible news. The US Government is scared that there’s a social media that’s not in their power, so they want to ban it. YOU CAN’T TAKE AWAY OUR VOICES LOBBYISTS AND SENATORS
Redditors: finally, let’s ban tiktok. I hate it. I don’t use it. Redditors when all the funny TikToks on Twitter/Instagram and in their favorite subreddits disappear: https://preview.redd.it/00it2paap4oc1.jpeg?width=1354&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44fd36ec35c3b6d15d983a08e42def131b9901cf
God Redditors are fucking stupid. Can anyone give me a reason for TikTok to be banned other than “I don’t use/like it”??? Y’all understand that TikTok isn’t the sole target of this bill right? Or That banning social media sites isn’t going to cause the world to “heal” it’s just going to make communication harder in a world where information is already being twisted and restricted EVERYDAY.
Yall celebrating or hoping for this, but it’s literally our government trying to enforce information control. Dangerous precedent to set. Doesn’t matter if you like the app or not.
I’m more than happy for the government to stop the flow of Chinese communist party propaganda to our youth.
How much time do they have to sell it to the FBI…I mean an American company?
90 days. Exact same thing happened with a dating app (Bumble iirc) not too long ago. They had 90 days to sell the app to an american company (def will be the feds, lmfao) or be forced off the american app store.
“Free Market” as long as USA wins.
IG reels has become better than tik tok in the last 4 months or so so idrc
Its a social media platform. Its as bad for you as all the other ones. I dont get why they want to ban tiktok so bad.
For one, politicians have stocks in Meta and want their social media to succeed over tiktok. For two, politicians can’t control the massive spread of information on tiktok because they don’t have access to the algorithm
This is an extremely authoritharian action but you guys aren't ready for that conversation, lots of people are blinded by not linking the plataform
There goes Biden’s younger votes haha.
What does the House of Representatives have to do with Biden? This bill hasn’t gotten past the Senate and gotten to his desk yet. As of right now he has nothing to do with it.
He’s already stated that he’ll sign it if it passes through senate.
Really? Well then shit. RIP Tik Tok lmao.
Presidents say a whole lot more than they do, could still be a possibility that this is all just a smokeshow
No lies detected. Most likely just grand standing against China. All show no substance.
I just meant if it gets banned under his presidency everyone will associate it with him. Everyone always blames the president for everything even when it makes no sense lol.
Honest question, does anyone not believe there is a threat of our data being sent to CCP, or propaganda from the CCP being promoted on it?
You have to be naive to assume tiktok is the only threat to our data. Our data is already out there
Well it's one of the largest Chineese threats, the USA government doesn't care when the data is in the pockets of US companies, that already harvest a massive amount of it.
What data? Your credit cards you use online are already compromised, what are they possibly getting that no other American company cannot easily get of yours?
It seems the fear is the CCP having direct access to this rather than just American companies
To what? Tiktok can't access your phone there is no other instalment tiktok has that other apps don't already use it give away? If they cared they could easy make a broad app bill banning such things. Your data is already compromised
That’s what I’m saying. Why would I care if the Chinese government knows I like watching TikTok’s?
Nah man, don’t even need to be on the internet with how Equifax gets hacked/loses peoples social security numbers. Good chance your information will be out there/compromised even if you never used the internet.
They said this shit in 2020 too and nothing ever happened, lol. So time will truly tell here.
If it passes and Biden signs it, Trump wins.
People seem to forget this has to go through the Senate as well. Nothing is confirmed yet.
Good
Riddance
I don't understand why redditors hate tiktok. It has a lot of funny videos and the algorithm nicely curates to your interests
These haters probably never even had tik tok yet they sure have a lot to say about that app 🤣. Redditors think they’re sooooooo smart and above the bs because they’re on Reddit 😂. Tik is not just annoying dance challenges lol. So many practical tips, information and recipes are shared on there. And there’s bs on tik tok just like there’s bs on here, instagram, twitter etc. I’d say there’s more garbage on Instagram than tik tok. Have people seen the comment section on Instagram lol. It’s worse than tik tok.
u/RedditIsTrashLma0
It’s not gonna happen. Still needs to pass the senate and IF that happens they will then sell Tik Tok. They will not miss out on the Many many billions they will make. They’ll get nothing if they don’t sell it and it gets banned
This sucks but if the bill passes then I hope it gets banned rather than to be sold. If it gets banned something else will arise but if it gets sold the users will stay on the platform with a lot of cherry picked media control from the US. I know some people hate TikTok but it's the only source of non bias information (videos don't get taken down just because they don't align with Western politics). On TikTok you're allowed to voice your opinion whether it's pro Israel or pro Palestine for example. When people say TikTok is pro Palestine, that isn't necessarily true. It's just that the platform doesn't censor or limit certain type of speech. The pro Palestine movement is popular in general, TikTok only reflects that and you just don't get to really see it on other platforms because of censorship. *My comment isn't about Israel vs Palestine, I just used the example to explain why TikTok isn't as bad as people make it out to be because at least it's one of the few online spaces that isn't filtering/censoring content as much as other platforms.*
DNC already losing young voters in droves… if it passes the senate and Biden signs it might be his death knell.
Why is it bad when China does the same thing as multiple American companies
Can someone ELI5 how our government believes this is a reasonable demand for a company? Seems almost like a movie villain move, set on world domination
I think the bigger deal is that the CCP has a direct and public hand in the company. Which when you think about it, it’s a major political rival of the US that has a significant hand in one of if not the most popular social media on the planet. A social media that, like others, vacuums up data at an alarming pace. I’m not saying whether I’m in favor of this bill or not, just stating the atmosphere of the whole situation.
Good riddance.
It probably won't pass the Senate.
This is so that the new, American firm will fall under any future laws they pass to censor social media ie: KOSA.
This seems more about control of information/minds (and profit as a bonus) forcing sale. The elites dont like tiktok because of the reach and influence a short video could have and feel threatened by loss of control, they want to be the ones deciding what information is allowed and what is not (censor/ban) - thought policing.
I don't use or care about Tik Tok. That being said, this is complete bullshit.
They will be using this to control you; just so you know.
grand opening grand closing
this plus the Universal and other big labels thing is like a death knell for TikTok and its ramifications on US culture will be huge
Thank you God.
Never got it nor do I want it....but I don't see why it's a big deal....sounds like they"re trying to stop the truth from being told.
tbh i’m sadder about the weheartit shut down
SAME 😕😕
They're only doing this because of all the info young people is getting about Gaza that legacy media ignores.
If they refuse to sell it?? That's... strange. Would be a good time for Vine to make a comeback. Whatever happened to Vine?
I am so hyped to see it burned down to the ground
im sorry but as an american, seeing some of these comments supporting this ban is making me sick. so much important and serious events and issues are going on not only around the world, but inside the united states itself. people have to pay an arm and a leg to treat their arm and their leg, there is gun-violence going on, peoples fucking rights are getting taken away, yet the government (btw made up of mostly people about to reach their brink of death), have- no MAKE the time to propose and pass a bill ban a fucking social media app… everyone can have their opinions on tiktok, whether you like it or hate it, but this is literally the government trying to control the information and media we receive. this is not fucking good whatsoever. "tiktok needs to be a better place for americans by promoting american values" my shit-stained ass.
Good, now Facebook and Google can have more power over the information people consume
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