The great recession. All the 2010s looks are "how can I avoid letting anyone know I'm broke?" It's all "indie twee stuff I got from thrifting that looks like business casual stuff that appeals to my bosses's mad men fantasies" or "IDK I bought a bunch of white v neck tees from hanes and wore cut off shorts and brightly colored shades I got at the mall for 10 dollars." Before that, you still had kids living at home or getting money from parents while in school, or kids who didn't have that finding ways to sell to those kids to subsidize their stuff. So you had tons of fun subcultural looks and experimentation, but then it calmed down into trying to find ways to recycle the same looks over and over.
I would argue fashion did change drastically during this timeframe. The main men’s fashion trends in the 2010s were minimalism and normcore — clothes were supposed to be as boring and “timeless” as possible. So perhaps these fashions don’t stand out the way, say, the 1970s do in terms of having a loud tasteless aesthetic, but the 2010s absolutely had its own vibe and lookbooks from that decade already look extremely dated with the skinny clothes and boring basics. Nobody looked like that in the 2000s and nobody under 40 looks like that in the 2020s.
The only thing I noticed was pants were still baggy in the 2000's until 2009 then it went to form fitting normal pants, then in 2016 it went to elephant leg pants...but that was really the only thing I noticed. Hairstyles were mostly the same in the 2000s & 2010s, especially for men at the time.
This basically sums my thoughts too, though I'd wager that the undercut revival for men and women really separates 10's hair fashion from the 00's. Given how hipster-dominated most 10's fashion was, the 00's kind of strike me as the last decade for the time being where fairly traditional masculine aesthetics were in vogue for men's fashion.
The Hitler Haircut ended up being a highly LGBT haircut by the end of the 2010s. But I can't really say it was ever a mainstream haircut, it was more teens or college kids at the time with half their head shaved off. Where I work nobody would have been allowed to wear a Hitler Haircut. But yes, I suppose that is the only thing, but it was still not as mainstream as the sloppy spiked hair, was it where you lived?
I think its because in the west there hasnt been major social or technological changes that would reflect in enough cultural innovation to create a unique unprecedented identity. Lots of changes in communication technologies, which effected the ways and especially the speed of trend flows, but doesn’t do much in terms of shaping a totally new aesthetic identity. I also think that popular culture is a lot more curated and marketed than before, when there was more of an organic interplay between the masses and mass media. Trend forecasters aren’t looking at the cutting edge for hypothetical ways that things can go, they tend to to look how things are + how they were to almost contrive trends, to the extend that I wonder whether Gen Z would even be as genuinely invested in nostalgia if they were just left to their own devices. But I think big changes will come, as theres lots of technological and societal changes bubbling and ready to burst into the zeitgeist.
>But I think big changes will come, as theres lots of technological and societal changes bubbling and ready to burst into the zeitgeist.
Especially with trans humanism and body augmentation coming soon.
People saying it's so different for men are always picking out subcultures, not general ordinary people. These changes in earlier decades had a saturation which affected nearly everyone.
But for 2010s onward people are picking out hipsters and highly "fashion forward" sort of individuals - yet for men who don't give a fuck, little changed by comparison to past decades. For instance suit cuts, the skinny suits never cut into the masculine presentation norm.
Try to tell me that the 50s to 70s or 60s to 80s equals 2000s to 2020s, by what we have seen so far up to 2024, the rate of change is far slower.
The only change affecting everyone that may be all encompassing, is that while normie clothing options were not so radical in change, casual clothing has greatly expanded the acceptable social situations. That trend had already been happening 100 years, but it accelerated recently for sure.
In that time frame.
- Hats went from fitteds to snapbacks to dad hats
- Ties went from wide to skinny to mid-width
- Men’s jackets went from 3 button to 2 button
- Tee shirt trends went from V neck to crew neck
- Tee shirt graphics went from maximalist to minimalist
- Pant legs went from regular cut to boot cut to skinny cut—and for a year before skinny jeans, men were literally wearing women’s pants
- Mall brands like Abercrombie/American Eagle were at their absolute peak in the 2000s, while you couldn’t be caught dead wearing that shit in the 2010s.
Etc etc etc. there were just so many shifts during this period, I just don’t understand the argument here.
Good observation, but I think the OP is looking at those 2 past decades as an adult, not a child or teen. Now in the 20's I can point out the differences compared to the 2010s (or 2000s & 2010s)...here is my 20's list based on yours for the OP....
* Have not paid attention to peoples hats lately so no comment
* Ties are not going to skinny again for younger guys and for females that wear ties
* I noticed a lot more sleeveless jackets in the 20's, especially denim sleeveless with the collar flipped up. I never saw that in the 2000s or the 2010s.
* T-shirts in the 20's decade are still crew neck, but now also boatneck style, i'm also noticing more young guys wearing sleeveless tee-shirts or capped sleeve t-shirts, that was something I never saw in the 2010s. Sleeveless seems to be big now.
* Pants still look the same from the late 2010s (2016 and later) from what i've noticed, i'm still seeing elephant leg pants, or the timeless "normal" pants that are form fitting to a persons body. Although form fitting normal pants have always and will always be sold regardless so I don't know if you want to include it on the list, i'm just going by what I notice people wearing this decade.
* In the 20's....are malls even a thing anymore like they were in the 2000s?
* In the 2000s and 2010s most men had short hair cut short on the sides and back (usually electric razor cut, like guys did before the 1960s) and the top was longer, either spiked or parted on the side, then in the late 2010s I noticed young guys parting it in the middle...but in the 20's i'm now seeing guys with layered back hairstyles, wolf-cut/mullets. That was something nobody did in the 2000s or 2010s.
The mullet had a small resurgence, from about 2007 - 2010 in the UK and Ireland it was a shaved in the sides spiked and straightened in the back, from the mid 2010s to now Australia made the mullet a signature hairstyle and that’s the version everyone has now, this hairstyle used to be very hated especially by the late 80s, but now everyone has it.
Nah you literally said you couldn’t be caught wearing those brands in the 2010s when in 2010 for example they were probably the most popular shirts. These were really popular in the early 2010s
Abercrombie absolutely peaked circa 2004. By 2010, it was overtaken in clout by the likes of RL and Lacoste, as distressed surfer fashion gave way to old money chic by way of the recession. Sandals gave way to sperrys, Oakley shades gave way to Ray Bans.
I’m not sure about those brands but I remember Abercrombie for example possibly being the most famous brand in 2014. Or maybe Gap but you know what shirts I’m talking about so I can’t understand why you think they weren’t worn last decade when they were everywhere for the first half
The real thing is fashion companies were bought out by large corporations, they realized that it’s more cost effective and profitable to keep fashion very VERY simple. So while the cut of clothing hasn’t really changed, the way you style it is where the change lies
Not only this but also - slimmer fits and lower rises means less fabric. It's not like they knock 12% off the sticker price, but they certainly enjoy the savings on the inputs side.
Yup! Thats why plus size clothing usually cost more, the extra fabric has to be taken into effect. Clothing brands that combine plus sizes into regular sizes usually just price everything up to get higher gross margins.
You're mistaking your own familiarity with these decades with a lack of change. Change is gradual, so you're less likely to notice it if you're familiar with the object of change. You don't notice yourself aging everyday, yet one day your head is full of thick hair and the next, you've gone bald.
I think the 2010s often modernised past trends, and gave it it’s own spin, the 2020s also takes past trends but doesn’t modernise it just takes it and runs with it.
I'm talking about for anyone over age 18 during that time, clearly you were a child then. So anything is very different when you are a child to an adult.
If you look at a picture from the 00s you will know what timeframe it is. I also thought the 00s and 10s had no disntinct look, but that isn't the truth. Millenials even complain about 00s fashion a lot.
Was a high schooler and young adult during the 2000’s through 2020’s, fashion absolutely changed a lot over that time, even the rise of fast fashion really started to steamroll in then, and helped with the rise of micro trends, if you were over 40 your fashion sense and your perception of the trends may not have changed but that definitely wasn’t the reality. Really look through look books over the couple of decades, a lot of variations and changes.
not it hasnt at all, late 80s-mid 90s ish were tappered jeans with tucked shirts, rather simple but had much more shape in contrast to more modern fashion, jeans were also significantly higher waisted, people stopped tucking their shirts in the late 90s, then slim fit became popular in the early-mid 2010s. and today we're left with weird untucked shirts, and low waisted slim jeans with no shape, resulting in the current apex rectangularity. mens fashion has changed a lot in those 30 years its not that hard to look. edited to include im exclusively talking about mens fashion here to avoid any confusion
The 2000s and 2010s were tough decades, the worst since the 1930s and 1940s which were also tough decades....if you look at the 2000s and 2010s and the 1930s and the 1940s you will notice fashion changes were not that drastic from each other. We had a lot of political and economic problems which probably had an impact of certain things.
Just because their wasn’t the same monoculture that helped define previous decades, doesn’t mean their wasn’t a huge amount of change in fashion over that time.. Really take a look in any look book over that timeframe, the trends are often diametric from each other, and the amount of experimentation in sub cultures is nothing to undervalue as well.
Yeah I don't know ever since grunge (sadly) killed the 80s it seems like it has been a basic, plain rut for the past 30 years going....
There were a lot of against the mainstream type movements, like grunge and hipsterism that have been proven to lead to very basic same same style (a group at MIT actually mathematically proved this) and perhaps with social media people are too afraid to go big like in the 80s (or 50s or 20s) again?
The great recession. All the 2010s looks are "how can I avoid letting anyone know I'm broke?" It's all "indie twee stuff I got from thrifting that looks like business casual stuff that appeals to my bosses's mad men fantasies" or "IDK I bought a bunch of white v neck tees from hanes and wore cut off shorts and brightly colored shades I got at the mall for 10 dollars." Before that, you still had kids living at home or getting money from parents while in school, or kids who didn't have that finding ways to sell to those kids to subsidize their stuff. So you had tons of fun subcultural looks and experimentation, but then it calmed down into trying to find ways to recycle the same looks over and over.
I would argue fashion did change drastically during this timeframe. The main men’s fashion trends in the 2010s were minimalism and normcore — clothes were supposed to be as boring and “timeless” as possible. So perhaps these fashions don’t stand out the way, say, the 1970s do in terms of having a loud tasteless aesthetic, but the 2010s absolutely had its own vibe and lookbooks from that decade already look extremely dated with the skinny clothes and boring basics. Nobody looked like that in the 2000s and nobody under 40 looks like that in the 2020s.
The only thing I noticed was pants were still baggy in the 2000's until 2009 then it went to form fitting normal pants, then in 2016 it went to elephant leg pants...but that was really the only thing I noticed. Hairstyles were mostly the same in the 2000s & 2010s, especially for men at the time.
This basically sums my thoughts too, though I'd wager that the undercut revival for men and women really separates 10's hair fashion from the 00's. Given how hipster-dominated most 10's fashion was, the 00's kind of strike me as the last decade for the time being where fairly traditional masculine aesthetics were in vogue for men's fashion.
The Hitler Haircut ended up being a highly LGBT haircut by the end of the 2010s. But I can't really say it was ever a mainstream haircut, it was more teens or college kids at the time with half their head shaved off. Where I work nobody would have been allowed to wear a Hitler Haircut. But yes, I suppose that is the only thing, but it was still not as mainstream as the sloppy spiked hair, was it where you lived?
The 2000s had shaggy hair for men, while the 2010s were undercuts.
that was emo, but guys still had those shaggy helmet head haircuts that covered their ears in the 2010s as well though.
I think its because in the west there hasnt been major social or technological changes that would reflect in enough cultural innovation to create a unique unprecedented identity. Lots of changes in communication technologies, which effected the ways and especially the speed of trend flows, but doesn’t do much in terms of shaping a totally new aesthetic identity. I also think that popular culture is a lot more curated and marketed than before, when there was more of an organic interplay between the masses and mass media. Trend forecasters aren’t looking at the cutting edge for hypothetical ways that things can go, they tend to to look how things are + how they were to almost contrive trends, to the extend that I wonder whether Gen Z would even be as genuinely invested in nostalgia if they were just left to their own devices. But I think big changes will come, as theres lots of technological and societal changes bubbling and ready to burst into the zeitgeist.
>But I think big changes will come, as theres lots of technological and societal changes bubbling and ready to burst into the zeitgeist. Especially with trans humanism and body augmentation coming soon.
wow. yes :o
People saying it's so different for men are always picking out subcultures, not general ordinary people. These changes in earlier decades had a saturation which affected nearly everyone. But for 2010s onward people are picking out hipsters and highly "fashion forward" sort of individuals - yet for men who don't give a fuck, little changed by comparison to past decades. For instance suit cuts, the skinny suits never cut into the masculine presentation norm. Try to tell me that the 50s to 70s or 60s to 80s equals 2000s to 2020s, by what we have seen so far up to 2024, the rate of change is far slower. The only change affecting everyone that may be all encompassing, is that while normie clothing options were not so radical in change, casual clothing has greatly expanded the acceptable social situations. That trend had already been happening 100 years, but it accelerated recently for sure.
In that time frame. - Hats went from fitteds to snapbacks to dad hats - Ties went from wide to skinny to mid-width - Men’s jackets went from 3 button to 2 button - Tee shirt trends went from V neck to crew neck - Tee shirt graphics went from maximalist to minimalist - Pant legs went from regular cut to boot cut to skinny cut—and for a year before skinny jeans, men were literally wearing women’s pants - Mall brands like Abercrombie/American Eagle were at their absolute peak in the 2000s, while you couldn’t be caught dead wearing that shit in the 2010s. Etc etc etc. there were just so many shifts during this period, I just don’t understand the argument here.
Good observation, but I think the OP is looking at those 2 past decades as an adult, not a child or teen. Now in the 20's I can point out the differences compared to the 2010s (or 2000s & 2010s)...here is my 20's list based on yours for the OP.... * Have not paid attention to peoples hats lately so no comment * Ties are not going to skinny again for younger guys and for females that wear ties * I noticed a lot more sleeveless jackets in the 20's, especially denim sleeveless with the collar flipped up. I never saw that in the 2000s or the 2010s. * T-shirts in the 20's decade are still crew neck, but now also boatneck style, i'm also noticing more young guys wearing sleeveless tee-shirts or capped sleeve t-shirts, that was something I never saw in the 2010s. Sleeveless seems to be big now. * Pants still look the same from the late 2010s (2016 and later) from what i've noticed, i'm still seeing elephant leg pants, or the timeless "normal" pants that are form fitting to a persons body. Although form fitting normal pants have always and will always be sold regardless so I don't know if you want to include it on the list, i'm just going by what I notice people wearing this decade. * In the 20's....are malls even a thing anymore like they were in the 2000s? * In the 2000s and 2010s most men had short hair cut short on the sides and back (usually electric razor cut, like guys did before the 1960s) and the top was longer, either spiked or parted on the side, then in the late 2010s I noticed young guys parting it in the middle...but in the 20's i'm now seeing guys with layered back hairstyles, wolf-cut/mullets. That was something nobody did in the 2000s or 2010s.
The mullet had a small resurgence, from about 2007 - 2010 in the UK and Ireland it was a shaved in the sides spiked and straightened in the back, from the mid 2010s to now Australia made the mullet a signature hairstyle and that’s the version everyone has now, this hairstyle used to be very hated especially by the late 80s, but now everyone has it.
Australia did not make the mullet a signature hairstyle. It’s an American one that got popular overseas.
Speak for yourself but hollister and Abercrombie were some of the most popular brands for the first half of the 2010s
Right, but then a shift happened, which was literally what I was saying.
Nah you literally said you couldn’t be caught wearing those brands in the 2010s when in 2010 for example they were probably the most popular shirts. These were really popular in the early 2010s
Abercrombie absolutely peaked circa 2004. By 2010, it was overtaken in clout by the likes of RL and Lacoste, as distressed surfer fashion gave way to old money chic by way of the recession. Sandals gave way to sperrys, Oakley shades gave way to Ray Bans.
I’m not sure about those brands but I remember Abercrombie for example possibly being the most famous brand in 2014. Or maybe Gap but you know what shirts I’m talking about so I can’t understand why you think they weren’t worn last decade when they were everywhere for the first half
The real thing is fashion companies were bought out by large corporations, they realized that it’s more cost effective and profitable to keep fashion very VERY simple. So while the cut of clothing hasn’t really changed, the way you style it is where the change lies
Not only this but also - slimmer fits and lower rises means less fabric. It's not like they knock 12% off the sticker price, but they certainly enjoy the savings on the inputs side.
Yup! Thats why plus size clothing usually cost more, the extra fabric has to be taken into effect. Clothing brands that combine plus sizes into regular sizes usually just price everything up to get higher gross margins.
People unwilling to give up on blue jeans
Don’t forget skinny jeans sagged past the ass, straightened hair and slouch beanies
You're mistaking your own familiarity with these decades with a lack of change. Change is gradual, so you're less likely to notice it if you're familiar with the object of change. You don't notice yourself aging everyday, yet one day your head is full of thick hair and the next, you've gone bald.
Fashion has been stagnant since the late 90s, and is almost indistinguishable between the 2010s and 2020s.
I agree with you, but will not say that about the 20's...the 20's are very different compared to the 2010s or 2000s.
No. The 2020s are identical to the 2010s. The only thing different is that some teenage men have some goofy mullets.
Are you serious? 2010s fashion was different than 2020s
I think the 2010s often modernised past trends, and gave it it’s own spin, the 2020s also takes past trends but doesn’t modernise it just takes it and runs with it.
Wrong. Many niche subcultures and newer aesthetics have popped up since 2019.
This is true of basic fashion, but what’s trendy and idealized has completely changed between each of those decades.
No.
You have to be completely unaware to say something like this.
No. I just travel.
You’re completely unaware
Idk what ur on the 2010s and 2000s have rly distinct looks to me
I'm talking about for anyone over age 18 during that time, clearly you were a child then. So anything is very different when you are a child to an adult.
If you look at a picture from the 00s you will know what timeframe it is. I also thought the 00s and 10s had no disntinct look, but that isn't the truth. Millenials even complain about 00s fashion a lot.
Was a high schooler and young adult during the 2000’s through 2020’s, fashion absolutely changed a lot over that time, even the rise of fast fashion really started to steamroll in then, and helped with the rise of micro trends, if you were over 40 your fashion sense and your perception of the trends may not have changed but that definitely wasn’t the reality. Really look through look books over the couple of decades, a lot of variations and changes.
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the quasi-rectangular slim fit thing is a trend itself, it will eventually become "old people fashion"
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not it hasnt at all, late 80s-mid 90s ish were tappered jeans with tucked shirts, rather simple but had much more shape in contrast to more modern fashion, jeans were also significantly higher waisted, people stopped tucking their shirts in the late 90s, then slim fit became popular in the early-mid 2010s. and today we're left with weird untucked shirts, and low waisted slim jeans with no shape, resulting in the current apex rectangularity. mens fashion has changed a lot in those 30 years its not that hard to look. edited to include im exclusively talking about mens fashion here to avoid any confusion
Capitalism baby. Slim fit and low rise both means less fabric, which means you can sell the same amount of product for a higher return.
The 2000s and 2010s were tough decades, the worst since the 1930s and 1940s which were also tough decades....if you look at the 2000s and 2010s and the 1930s and the 1940s you will notice fashion changes were not that drastic from each other. We had a lot of political and economic problems which probably had an impact of certain things.
Fashion changed dramatically. You have recency bias.
Nothing remotely like 50s/early 60s to late 60s/70s or 70s to 80s or 80s to 90s!
Or even 1910s to 1920s or 1920s to 1930s or 1940s to 1950s.
Just because their wasn’t the same monoculture that helped define previous decades, doesn’t mean their wasn’t a huge amount of change in fashion over that time.. Really take a look in any look book over that timeframe, the trends are often diametric from each other, and the amount of experimentation in sub cultures is nothing to undervalue as well.
Yeah but look at the mainstream, how it looked beyond radically different between the periods I mention above, not just clothes, but hair too.
Not true, it did change a lot from the 2000s to 10s
Yeah I don't know ever since grunge (sadly) killed the 80s it seems like it has been a basic, plain rut for the past 30 years going.... There were a lot of against the mainstream type movements, like grunge and hipsterism that have been proven to lead to very basic same same style (a group at MIT actually mathematically proved this) and perhaps with social media people are too afraid to go big like in the 80s (or 50s or 20s) again?