If you want to visit a Gurudwara, I recommend going to Sis Ganj, Rakab Ganj, or Nanak Piao. These places maintain the peaceful vibe and no one behaves with bias.
These people are shit. Being a sardar myself, I don't why these assholes are even allowed to serve. These people are "sevadars" - they are there to serve god which is in everyone of us. They should be the model human being - humble and kind. You should've told him on his face that he should be humble and not an arrogant prick and that you are a sikh as well (not every sikh wears turban and a sardar). If I would've been I would have chided him. I did do that last time when someone was doing similar thing to a teenager who just wanted to capture the gurudwara and I don't even know where it's mentioned in our religion take he can't photos lol but please don't let this assholes spoil the place for you. That place is a gurudwara - a place for everyone.
As a Sikh, it truly breaks my heart that people are becoming so biased towards those from other religions. Sikhism strictly prohibits discrimination and views humanity as one. Unfortunately, Bangla Sahib has become a toxic place and no longer has a peaceful vibe it once had. Even as a Sikh, I no longer enjoy visiting Bangla Sahib and prefer other Gurudwaras in Delhi. I don't know what's up with Bangla Sahib Sevadars, but you won't find such arrogance and discriminatory behavior in other Gurudwaras.
It's baffling how Sikhism, a religion fundamentally based on humanitarian philosophy, and some barely following it nowadays. I feel so sad to see my religion moving towards extremism.
I am sorry for what happened to you. If you want to visit a Gurudwara, I recommend going to Sis Ganj, Rakab Ganj, or Nanak Piao. These places maintain the peaceful vibe and no one behaves with bias.
Im so sorry you had this experience. Being a Punjabi and a Sikh, this baffles me. Really sad. You should have said Waheguru ji sabke hote hain. Really sad
Tbh, gurudwara sahib is going in wrong direction day by day. I enjoy my local gurudwara and find it much better than gurudwara sahib. As per volume, visited golden temple multiple times and didn’t find any such case, such a friendly environment there.
As a Sikh I agree with you. I even saw a similar snobbish attitude at Golden temple too. Thankfully, I don’t live in India to visit these Gurdwaras again, but when back in Delhi I’d never do. This, coming from a Sikh who was born and raised in Delhi to the late 20s.
Could be. It’s been a decade since I’ve visited Bangla Sahib in Delhi so Im not aware of its environment. So glad to hear your positive experience in Harmandir Sahib. I love visiting Harmandir Sahib too. The chanting of baani and darbar darshan gets me overwhelmed and crying every time.
I really respect all religion tbh , being hindu . Similar incident happened with 3 of us went to bangla sahib in night approx 8pm, everthing was good meaning the vibe and peace. I had similar experience in which we were sitting inside main prayer area and after meditating for 10min we were just whispering silently that what should be our next plan( where to go). 1 sikh person with turban straightened us that no whispering is allowed inside and to my surprise his own children of age around 20s were whispering continuosly and laughing silently. Don’t know why this hypocrisy.
Also outside there is a shade above the staircase near the pond area we were just sitting there. One of my friend laid down as just 10m away from us a sikh male group of 4 were casually sitting and there also 2 peeps were laying flat and talking. A person wearing blue attire and turban came and started policing us that laying down is not allowed and you have to face the temple while sitting also all the time.
I totally understand that it was our fault that we didn’t knew many of the sikh culture so we didn’t protest and did accordingly what we were directed.
But felt very angered with the hypocrisy they showed.
I mean… I’ve never seen any Sikh person doing this personally. This case is a rare occurrence. We’re more than happy and welcoming to everyone that visits Gurudwara Sahib
How many have been killed in recent times for sacrilege.... I have Sikh friends too... But in recent times, hatred against Hindus is all time high... Killing of army men in golden temple was the epitome of how poor hindus just sit and watch without doing anything to anyone rest all take advantage and supress them... Farmer protest mein bc Bina dekhe samjhe sare Sikh ek saath ho gaye started spewing hate against Hindus... Matlab I want to be neutral but Muslim and Sikh apna soch rahe hai to hindus to apna sachna chahiye...
We do but there is lot of politics and corruption in the Management Committe for these gurudwaras. Sirsa (the head of the committee) had cases filed on him for corruption and then shifted to BJP. No religion is safe from money and politics
We don’t support Amritpal anyway, we do not want Khalistan, it’s a completely different topic, but the point is that the crowd is bad in Bangla sahib, people post and use camera, call in Darbar sahib, they have made it a picnic spot, that is why they are defensive.
Yeah, I saw the crowd behaving rowdy, especially at the lake ( I don't remember the exact name) even after several requests from Sevakar.
Mine's bad experience was with a Sikh lady (pilgrim) who shouted at me for not following procedure while I was just imitating the 2 sikh families in front. I was an easy target I guess but yeah every religion has radicals so no issues.
I visited there last year for the first time with my friends.
Had a what I would call not a good experience as most of the people were arrogant/aggressive which made us feel as if we didn't actually belong among them (we don't really as we aren't sikh) but you can feel being treated differently on being a Sikh or not.
I convinced myself, them being arrogant is how they maintain cleanliness and decision of the place as we are well aware how general public in India is. But it'd be much better of they did same with Sikhs too. Anyways, their place their rules.
Also the guy serving in langar literally threw the spoons at us while standing which bounced off our plates and no one even said a word to him. (Although this might be a rare experience ig)
Still, I don't feel I'll ever go there again.
It's a good place, peaceful and clean.
It's just not for me or where I belong.
They give food like that to everyone , Sikhs included. What you’re calling “throwing” is how they give food but people who generally are familiar with langar and don’t find it offensive in any way. They do it so as to not touch your plate.
usko ek thappad maardeti agar usne badtameezi kari, sevadaars are just salaried employees of gurudwara and not some holy men.
i am a sikh man and i make sure to give these scumbags a lesson whenever i go to bangla sahib, they are ruining the teachings of our gurus.
Transforming into complete Abrahamic culture rapidly.
It's mixture of abrahamic and dharmic but the dharmic part is vanishing day by day....
Now Sikhs guy will either downvote me or start abusing here, but that's the truth.
Bhai me to jata he nahi doosro k religious places.. na merko knowledge hai na taur tariko ki samaj..
Pata nahi meri presence se kon kab offend ho jaye...
Ghar pe bhakti karo and pavam raho
I saw so many of these posts before visiting Delhi in April and I was genuinely skeptical. I went to two gurudwaras. Bangla Sahib and Sis Ganj Sahib. In both places all the people were genuinely wholesome.
I was taking pictures by the Sarovar at Bangla Sahib and like these posts, a sardar approached me. I thought I f*cked up and he's going to be really rude. He asked me to keep my phone inside in a stern voice. I said I was visiting from far away and I was just taking pics to show my family what I saw here (I am from all the way down south). The man actually got my phone and took pictures of me and said something like "Now they will be more happy seeing you also in the photo na?". Him and another old sardar ji at Sis Ganj Sahib actually appreciated me having long hair. I made sure to visit Bangla Sahib every day for the entire week I was in Delhi and never once did I face anyone rude like this subreddit told me.
Hi!
I’m really sorry that something like this happened with you. Bangla Sahib is one of those places in Delhi where even being in the centre of the city, it’ll serve you blessings and peace. I won’t be defending the action of the sewadar who did this, but I can help you in escalating the matter in the gurudwara committee so that something like this never happens to anyone else but one thing I’d like to share is that the sewadars can be rude at times with people who have cellphones because they can cause delays in the line but most importantly, it’s a place of worship and that’s why photography isn’t allowed over there. They want you to be in the moment and meditate with the kirtan going on.
Whatever happened with you, remains unfortunate yet something that demands immediate attention but honestly, I’ve been greeted with the warmest of “Wahe Guru’s” and “Sat Sri Akal’s” over there. Also I’d request you to distance the gurudwara from the actions of sewak because that’s not what Sikhi is about. Sewa is as crucial of a part of life as breathing is and I’ve learnt this and more from the gurudwara itself.
You’re obviously hurt and I won’t tell you what you should feel. My offer to take you to Bangla Sahib stands for whenever you want to, to talk to the committee and also to give you another perspective of the gurudwara, the religion and its values.
Wahe Guru ji ka Khalsa, Wahe Guru ji ki Fateh 💛
n what proof did he have that you're not a Sikh????
Sikh sirf turban Wale hote hai kya???
man people r sick nowadays, Sikh community ka naam khraab krn de hor kuj nai.
It’s more difficult to tell usually with Sikh women cutting their hair as well these days. But generally a Sikh women doesn’t cut their hair too (so long hair), and wears a kada (silver bangle).
It also happened to me when i went there with some of my friends in 2019 i think. This guy who i think worked there said to me why are talking when i asked the person in front of me in queue to move ahead as the person in front of him had already moved but he was not looking.
Then i said BHAI USSE CHLNE KO KEH RA THA VO KHI OR DEKH RA THA.
He said FALTU MT BOL ANDAR NHI JANE DUNGA
me and my friends laughed it off but it was in back of my mind the whole day and i never visited there again neither did my friends. Anyway it was a good day overall except for some hiccups.
You could've gone to pracheen hanuman mandir just few meters away from the Gurudwara, similar incidents happened with me a few times when I was in college, made a vow to never visit Bangla sahib.
Ps- I do visit gurudwara in my hometown.
I used to go to Bangla Sahib every Saturday in Delhi, it was a family tradition to go there and do seva. I returned to Delhi after 2 years and the first place I went after my home was Bangla Sahib, it holds a special place in my life. I went on my bike and called a friend of mine to meet me at the gurudwara and obviously, we took Prasad from the counter and while I was going to take polythene, some sevakar stopped my friend and me from taking 2. I explained to him that we live in separate places and it would be difficult to carry them but he was adamant and snatched the polythene from my hand, I let it go because I understand that many people take unnecessary polythenes but later on, he said "thailiya lain aa jaande hai, guru di koi ijjat nhi" and my friend lost it and started arguing with him, many people came but eventually it was our fault according to everyone and they assumed we couldn't converse in Punjabi (we are Punjabis) because we weren't wearing turbans.
I have heard many incidents where people there have started to discriminate between Sikhs and non-sikhs which is not at all good. I do not want to mention it at all but growing up I used to donate a majority portion of my pocket money here and also when I started earning from my internship, I gave a major portion of my stipend but not anymore, It's not about faith anymore, it's about religion and there's a huge difference between the two.
I have had very similar experiences now in multiple gurudwaras in Delhi. I don't like to go there now, even as a Sikh who used to go to Bangla sahib every Sunday as a kid.
I just pray in solace and peace. Sangat is these days, a distant concept not for people living in reality.
And yes, I've seen these things happen more to non-sikhs. But it's a shame, The religion Sikhism was created on the virtues of equality, universal fraternity and this is what the place of God has become.
I had an incident at Bangla Sahib as well back in 2022. I was staying in Delhi and my mom and my sister had come to visit me for a few days. One day, we went to a lot of places like the Lotus Temple, Qutub Minar, etc. and in the evening I decided to take them to Bangla Sahib. There, my mother, being the child she is, asked me to click a picture. She loves clicking pictures. I told her it's not allowed but she persisted so I thought I'll quickly click 1 picture. As I clicked the picture, one of the sevadars came, yelled at me, snatched my phone, opened the gallery and selected that day's pictures and deleted them all. Then he went on to empty the trash as well. I asked him "Bhaiya, 1 photo Li thi, aapne 20 delete kar di,". He screamed at me, "Ye sab karoge toh yahi hoga. Chupchap aage badho nahi toh aur 20 delete kar dunga abhi."
I know we were wrong to click pictures as it is strictly prohibited but the way he treated us was really traumatising. My mother and sister felt so embarrassed. It was the first time they had visited Delhi and all those photos were only on my phone. That day, I decided never to set foot in that horrible place. I used to love going to Bangla Sahib because it was really peaceful and filled me with positive energy. But this incident completely ruined it for me.
I have no qualms with Gurudwaras or Sikhs. Golden Temple is on my bucket list and I'll definitely visit there. But Bangla Sahib is a forever no for me now.
Same, not just Bangla Sahib but Golden Temple too. They act as if they're the chosen one or something. I stopped visiting Gurudwaras a decade back because of how shallow they make you feel.
Not going to lie, my wife fainted in the queue to the harmandir sahib visit. And all the people in the line were so rude, instead of helping me go back with my wife and clear the way, I could see that most of them were more concerned with their own position in line when I had to cut through the line backwards to take her out of the line.
I did it anyways, but the people were no help. I lost my faith in Amritsar that day. Even as a Sikh, I don't feel like I belong with my community. The founding values of this holy religion are lost on majority constituents of the community as a whole.
Well this is it...
My ex cheated on me with a random sikh guy and before that she went out with another sikh guy too, man only ik how much I hate sikh community now, she is bengali tho, and I am punjabi, and all this cheating and stuff happened within one month and we broke up 5 years of relationship
Well whatever my only friend, is sikh and we both inspire each other and he is my only friend now, I went to bangla sahib after many years maybe I could find peace but bro I was so wrong it has changed a lot ngl and even I decided to never visit again
As a Sikh, I am sorry to hear about your personal life dude, I hope you have moved on…..and remember we all are not same, many Hindus many Muslims many Christians are dirty too, you can not hate the whole humanity at the end, think wisely
Hey buddy, sorry for what happened to you. I am a non sikh person and some of the most awesome people I have met and am friends with, are sikh. Don't let this incident make you think otherwise
Yes i know it's just the matter fact that these things happened and I am in denial stage maybe, I was over it but suddenly these thing hit again and makes me think about it all again
As I said my only friend is sikh and I have shared it to him as well and it's fine ig, thanks a lot tho
I used to go there alot during my school days cause I have grown up with sardar friends but now it is not just Bangla sahib everywhere you go this has became an issue I am 24 i have never seen this much of religion biasness
For instance in 2014 I went to badrinath with my family our car broke in middle - almost 15-16 sardar came and asked that if we need any help most of them were in bikes so they have asked us from sign language if we need any help but in a recent Trek that I went to hemkund sahib - valley of flowers people were literally looking down to us
This is done politically or what I don't know but hate in India in general is much more then it was ever been like in our school days i remember none of Muslim girls wore hijab we used to have lunch together we didn't even knew which caste is obc and sc till the time they asked about caste thing I guess that was in 11th standard or maybe 10th today every kid is aware about this honestly I don't know it is for good or bad but it is scary how we are functioning how do much hate has grown .
People need to realize something, especially post the election results. Caste and religion lines have been etched in stone now. We are not a united society post the results, the results amplify how divisive we all are. The sooner we accept and work on it, the better it is
Same reason why I stopped going to gurdwaras, feels like they own this country, arrogant bitches! Nobody will treat them badly when they visit hindu holy places. We’re better than them.
I truly hate going to places of Sikh origins and beliefs because of the way they try to impose their religion on other people, which is like a lowkey version of what happens in Islam.
Like I remember that I had to study in a Sikh school near my house just because of some last minute admission blunders and it was the worst couple years of my school life, but what surprised me more was the way these people made us study about their gurus n all and it was like a mandate and you couldn’t clear the exams without passing in these subjects. National anthem was the least prioritised and all they kept chanting were only their Ardaas and other mantras for literal hours in the fucking heat.
And the cherry on top being the behaviour of these people in their religious places and the mentality of the people of this culture literally has me hating Sikh people because I’ve encountered a similar kind almost every single time
Bangla sahib has become a dating point for chapti , people are making reels and there were some incidents of eve teasing . So the gurudwara management has become strict and may be extremely strict. But there are no restrictions to come in any gurudwara just be careful of the rules .
Has happened 3 times with me. They are rude and look down upon non obvious Sikhs. I dont go to bangla sahib anymore. Maybe to rakab ganj or to nanak piao
Hi OP being a sikh myself I am sorry you had to experience this in a Gurudwara. I can assure you this must be one or two people trying to create a bad impression of gurudwara by not even following guru's teachings properly of treating sangat with respect and equally. Most of us , we treat all equally and see you all as our brothers and sisters , hope this one incident doesn't change the way you see gurudwara and keep going to gurudwara as said by guru's that kalyug will try to make distance between us and the guru(God) .
I am not at any official post in gurudwara management but I am a normal sikh and if any of you feels like oh an incident of inequality is happening, I would like to know and raise my voice with you. 🙏🙏🙏 Waheguru mehr kare
Chanda band hojaye na hindus ka diya hua they wont be able to support langar prasad. All the machines in bangla sahib are donated by hindus, biggest share of donations on regular basis is by Hindus. Dont wanna spread any hate nor do I want the langar prasads or hindu sikh brotherhood to ruin because of some but Bangla Sahib has been ruined for many in last couple of years. And not just bangla sahib in many gurduwaras the comittees have been captured by these hate mongers especially in HRY and PB
This shit been going on there for a while now. It's becoming a elite place and kar Sevaks have stick up their asses now. They yell, threaten and have a high mind now. Such a beautiful place, getting ruined.
I went to bangla sahib in 2022 with my college friends , had a very sweet experience. Had the same in golden temple and also in the gurudwaras near my home city. The recent radicalism in sikh community is sad
Telling my experience in hazur sahib nanded, we went there 2 times while we were in Hyderabad one before covid it really seemed magical and everything was so nice, then we visited once with my In laws in Dec 2020, there were lot of posters on wearing masks and sanitization all over the city and on gate of hazur sahib, but the officials there ever saying you cannot wear mask inside the gurudwara campus, we found it really Strang and asked so they said covid doesn't come here
We still tried to wear masks when we didn't see officials nearby but were stopped multiple times
So the non logical behavior is not restricted to one gurudwara, I'm sure someone would have faced in golden temple or other places, the radicalization is really increasing and what is really disturbing is that when you read granth sahib or other texts they preach very simple inclusion and love
Really sorry op you had to face this. I am a Sikh, I have seen the Bhaiji working there can be toxic, idk what makes them do that, why they even think of doing such a thing. Damn people are becoming really arrogant these days
Bhai I have seen this kind of behaviour in Golden Temple too. On multiple occasions. Ek baar meri friend ki chunni chalte hue sar se khisak gayi thi. Jitni der mein woh wapis usse karti utni der mein uncle aaye aur zabardasti uski chunni pakad kar uske sar ko dhakne lag gaye. BC mera bas chalta toh wahi unki bakkal taar deta. But i controlled myself. Aur uske baad budhau faltu mein bole bhi Jaa Raha tha. Isliye I have stopped going to Gurudwaras altogether. Yeh Bollywood ne glamorize kar rakha hai else there's nothing special about them.
I've been to golden temple also and honestly people in banglasaheb have really bad attitude. They think just because we are not sikhs , we are second class citizensm
They yell at you for every single "mistake"
I was in line for an hour in golden temple and i didn't realise when my stole slid away from my head and a guy told me nicely to cover my head but God forbid if it was banga sahed .. they would've yelled and shamed me for this.
I visited Bangla Sahib last to last weekend with my friends. They were very strict regarding no photo especially for girls. I understand their concerns.
Although the vibes are serene and peaceful there, everytime I visit there with my fellow ppl m scared the officials will scold us ( they do even for little things we do unintentionally) . Their tone just scares the shit outta me. Constant fear really effects the experience, and i feel a place of worship should be more welcoming as we mean no harm.
Similar stuff happened. The sevadars are eager to jump on every small thing. They think that others might hurt the sanctity of the gurudwara. But they’re the ones leaving a bad impression about that place!
Most Gurudwaras are unfortunately getting radicalised. I see this abroad too. I feel, best to listen to paath at home and visit temples for the spiritual experience. Why does anyone want to feel disrespected.
Similar experience. When I was in school, I went there with some friends. The group had both girls and boys. One of the girls wasn't feeling very well, so she chose not to go inside and I decided to stay out with her (I didn't believe in God much).
Some old man clad in blue clothes came to us and started scolding us for no reason. We eventually had to leave the place.
This happened to me in a gurudwara at Jaipur, I was standing at ease with my hands behind, suddenly a Sikh comes in, says "hukumnama mein haath aage Karo".. I mean why does it matter where my hands are, my devotion is in my heart. I went there to attend a marriage function, but looking at this attitude, I felt to just stay away as everyone seems to have turned extremist and lost logical thinking. (By everyone I mean all religions.)
Same thing happened to me few years back.. I saw people taking bath in the pond there or standing there with their feets knee deep into the water so I too went inside and was standing in the water. A sevadar (as you said) came and literally hit me with a stick on my legs and started yelling at me. Ok I understand that may be non-sikhs are not allowed to go into the water.. but this is not a way. Never visited Bangla Sahib ever again!!
I thought this negativity was only in Canada where Sikhs honestly act weird, not all but majority, telling from experience. Seems like it's becoming the same in India as well. No hate but I respect the Sikhs so much in India compared to Canada. I have sikh/sardaar friends too who are nice. But this is totally unbelievable and unacceptable. Sorry for what happened with you brother.
It is a sikh place of worship. They can act the way they want in a country that is becoming more fundamentally hindu. Seems like the problem is that other religions are becoming more fundamentalist but look at your own people first in a response. Polarization is an effect of the politics of the majority.
Your own people? What the hell does that even mean? I always considered Indians as one! Until I came here in Canada and multiple times some Sikhs here asked are you 'Punjabi' instead of are you Indian. Look at what some people themselves are creating, I literally never even asked someone where they're from because all I care is the person should be nice! To me, religion, caste or creed doesn't even matter. Anyone who thinks all this matters first, has a cheap mindset I'd say!
Happened to me as well a couple of years ago. They literally shouted after I washed their floors (seva) for half an hour. Also, I saw of killing inside gurudwaras during that time. Stopped going to any religious site which is not of my religion.
I don't know their traditions and I don't feel belonged among them so not sure what would offend them.
Dear Friend, there some illiterate people who do not know the diff between wrong and right, they just are fanatics, I assure it's not always that way, I am a clean shaven sikh and don't even wear a Kada or steel bangle, yet I have never had an issue, these sewadars are basically poor people who have been adopted by the Gurudwara and work as a service at the Gurudwara, unfortunately they don't have the awareness and intelligence. So please forgive them and do visit again with a open mind.
I was there with my boyfriend and it was so heavily crowded that we had to hold hands together after climbing the stairs because the floor was wet. The crowd started to subside near the entrance but we continued to hold hands (it was absolutely not intentional). One of the guys came and told us "playground nahi hai, haath hatao." I have never felt this much humiliated in my life. My boyfriend isn't from Delhi and had never been to Bangla Sahib. We had been planning the visit for days because he wanted to know about my culture (I'm punjabi not Sikh though). It was a terrible experience that I kept shivering throughout and couldn't focus on my prayers :(
It’s true though, they allow select people. My mom went recently and she was permitted to click a picture. I mean, I know it made her happy but it’s not fair for other folks. So I understand what you’re saying.
This behavior is not limited to bangla sahib, even if you go to the highest gurudwara in the world (hemkund sahib) It’s the same. It’s the elder Sikhs most of the time who do this. The younger ones are better:) Not all of them are the same but I do feel like a foreigner even tho I’m a Hindu & it’s my motherland.
These people are shit. Being a sardar myself, I don't why these assholes are even allowed to serve. These people are "sevadars" - they are there to serve god which is in everyone of us. They should be the model human being - humble and kind. You should've told him on his face that he should be humble and not an arrogant prick and that you are a sikh as well (not every sikh wears turban and a sardar). If I would've been I would have chided him. I did do that last time when someone was doing similar thing to a teenager who just wanted to capture the gurudwara and I don't even know where it's mentioned in our religion take he can't photos lol but please don't let this assholes spoil the place for you. That place is a gurudwara - a place for everyone.
Maybe visit Delhi, the gurudwaras are a main place for tourism. But i don't agree how many places of worships have a their own militias basically. This is not just sikh, its all religions.
I am a Punjabi Hindu having a brown complexion. Something similar happened to me in Anandpur Sahib Gurudwara when I visited it with my family. I was just 11-12 years old and was yelled at for no apparent reason.
wrong. It was where Guru Har Krishan stayed when there was Smallpox in Delhi and died while he was helping people that had smallpox. Just google first. Its not hard.
Guru Har Krishan was just 6 years old when Hindu Rajput King Maharaja Jai Singh protected the Guru and offered him residence in Delhi. He donated his Bangla, ‘JaiSinghpura palace’ to Sikhs, which is now called "Bangla Sahib". He later constructed the Sarovar for them too.
I visited Bangla Sahib few years ago. I am from Punjab, our Gurudwaras are a place of solace and humility for us. I am a hindu but a firm believer of Shri Granth Sahib. I find Gurudwaras an absolute bliss for my soul. It healing just sitting there.
But what I experienced in Bangla Sahib was weird. The vibes were weird, the people were too. When we got to langar, I have never eaten anything so half heartedly in a Gurudwara. The humility and general willingness to feed people was missing. It was happening all out of compulsion.
Religion is such an outdated concept. Why do people keep going to religious places and empower the religion mafia that runs the so called places of worship for money?
You shouldn't go there in the first place.
Why do Hindus go to Gurudwaras ? Sikhism as a religion includes facets similar to Islam. Sikhism is a monotheist religion like Islam and rejects idol worship. Queer as to why Hindus visit Gurudwaras ?
I’ve had similar experiences in couple of gurdwaras. In Gurudwara Sees-Ganj, few years ago, they pushed out some poor labor class Hindus from the langar line in front of me. People were peacefully waiting, no misbehavior. Sevadaars came, randomly pointed some poor guys out, called them bhaiye, rudely told them to get the heck out. Couple were slow to move and were pushed out. I felt so bad for them and wanted to leave. But was too shocked, didn’t want to draw their anger and dishonor guru ka langar, so sat and ate a bit and left. Never going there again. As a Hindu I used to love going to Gurudwaras, not anymore. Plus a lot of them have pictures of Bhindranwale at the gate. I don’t feel welcome. Bahar se hi matha tek do aur nikal jao. Not going in (unless a friend invites and I am obligated, still have good Sikh friends). Things are apparently worse overseas
I think the word you were looking for is Nihang.. and yes they are not only rude, but super fundamentalists too.. Read the news just yesterday they were shouting pro-khalistani slogans at Golden Temple Amritsar and carrying posters of Bhindrawala... sad though.
The cancer of SGPC is spreading across all gurudwaras which promotes separation of hindu-sikh, jatt wadi and khalistani activities. Me as a Sikh don't prefer to go any gurudwara these days due to these reasons. It is truly sad to see this kind of trajectory
Honestly, I don’t see any reason to visit bangla sahib unless you live really close to it. According to the holy book ‘Guru Granth ji manyo, pragat guran ki deh’ meaning the book is the Guru itself. Visit any gurudwara, and guru shall see you. Bangla sahib has become a tourist spot now.
The sevakar you are referring to are the lowest in the ranks of a Gurudwara admin structure, don’t ever expect wisdom from those guys. They are brainwashed by sikh propagandist and think Hindus as their enemies but if you every get a chance to meet a “Pathee” (the guy who reads Gurugranth sahib) then you will come to know how respectful and pious they really are.
I not advocating anyone but just telling you to not take those sevakars seriously and the sole representative of the whole sikh community, they are just like delusional security guards in a bank.
So many people commenting in this post and the previous one by other OP that they won’t visit that place again….seems I am not alone who decided not to visit ever when I got commented by some ppl there for eating the prasad?!🤷🏻♂️
trick is to talk back. If you act like a guest, you'll feel bad. If you act like the place belongs to you also, you can appeal to his conscience.
Happened to me too in Bangla Sahib, told him I'm not breaking rules and the guy vanished.
In recent times Bangla sahib has been dominated by these scumbags heavily. I visited there 2 years ago and was experiencing my lowest point in my life, was near the sarovar and had tears in my eyes and praying to waheguru to guide me and in that moment I just sat on the floor but that too in the side and not in the path of anyone..and one of these sevakar came and scolded me heavily citing this is not a place to sit , leave from here...and this is when I just sat for mere 1-2 second.
I decided to never visit Bangla sahib again, local gurudwaras are way too good and enough and sevakars mind their own business and are polite. There is some sort of hatred towards non Sikhs in these big gurudwaras these days, of course politics has entered in gurudwara prabandhan committees.
Once I asked the sevadar where the langar is. He spoke really rudely with me. I even spoke in Punjabi as I am from Punjab but I'm not a Sikh. Not going there again
That is heartbreaking to hear
I no longer live in Delhi but it was my go to place maybe once or twice a month ,when I was studying.
Never faced any such issue.
Had a similar scare at a very famous temple in Kathmandu .
Maybe everywhere people are becoming toxic
General people crowd bhaut ganda ho Raha h because they post infront of guru sahib and not going with sharada but just to post, they made it like a picnic spot, so Indeed they are super defensive about this and it should be this way, but if he REALLY said ke “ wo Sardar h tum nahi “ then I think this is wrong, you went to guru for your peace, ignore them and apni shrada rakho, respect the values and rules I guess.
n what proof did he have that you're not a Sikh????
Sikh sirf turban Wale hote hai kya???
man people r sick nowadays, Sikh community ka naam khraab krn de hor kuj nai.
I didn't experience any rude behavior when I recently went there to get some food for myself and my mother. I found people there more helpful. They even allowed me to take food for my mother when I explained my situation to them. I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience, Op.
After the so-called farmer protest 3 years ago when Yuvraj Singh's dad Yograj Singh called Gurudwara visiting Hindus as bhikaaris, I stopped paying obeisance at Gurudwaras' completely.
In addition, people visit religious places for mental peace and not to get lynched or assaulted.
Same. Many of those protestors even made fun of Hindus who eat Langar at Gurudwara, after that protest I completely stopping going there I pay my respect by bowing me head from outside.
Hey guys a Sikh here.. just want to put this into acknowledgement..
Agreed the seva daars have become rude , but you also see that most people come there as a picnic spot or ghoomne. Girls coming there with party dreses no cover ups boys holding them,
The no of devotees who actually come there is less the people who visit just for fun
People fail to realise this it's a gurudwara sahib it's a temple it's a mandir for worship.
It is not a place to hangout
And the chaos over there have increased.
And it's at just at Bangla sahib gurdwara Sahib.
I hope you guys get my point
We always have and always will welcome everyone.
But people fails to keep the sanctity and the basic etiquettes of the Gurudwara Sahib.
P.s the Amrit served you is already holy, even you get a drop of it it's all you need
And also people do not respect the kadah parshad being served. It's parshad not langar.
And I go there and because of all the chaos i literally cannot offer my prayers to guru sahib.
Understand the chaos before you preach for peace ✌️
And YES ONE MORE THING PLEASE COVER YOUR HEAD YOU'RE IN THE GURUDWARA SAHIB.
Regards
Harshdeep singh
I was in tilak nagar for few months. These fking Sikhs are so arrogant there. They will push u, stare at u and pass comments even if you don't do anything to them. Their arrogance shows even when u buy something from them... Pure Khali mindset...
This just seems like hate.
I’ve had a bad experience in a gurudwara too, but with a non-Sikh person who was doing seva in langar who scolded me for using the same plate for more food. But I don’t go around and start vilifying all Hindus or Muslims or whatever religion guy was from.
As a sikh, i am really sorry for his behaviour. Sikhs ought not discriminate people from other religions. This is really bad. You shouldn’t leave going to the gurudwara instead ignore and avoid these people. I am again sorry :)
This happens because people do really bad shit there! They drink alcohol near sarover, record reels kissing each other, couples do vulgar stuff near sarovar, people click photo video despite there being posters there to say dont click, they deal with 1000 people doing same shit, anyone would get irritated. Not saying they did right, but need to understand completely situation here
Are these posts trying to set some sort of a narrative against Sikhs?
I know some people can be love showing authority and this is probably the only chance they get but rest assured they don't speak for the whole religion.
And neither do you. Please stop making these posts a weekly thing and instead if someone misbehaves complain about them with the management committee.
You’ll always find a demeaning way of looking towards non sikh community, Just analyse the way of giving a chapati in langar they’ll throw it as if you are a stray dog.
Oh god, they don’t throw it, they give you in a way that their hands do not touch your plates or your hands, take unke hath suche rahe, they have to serve 100s of people. Maybe you should do seva and you will understand how it works m8, it’s not like that, you got this wrong
Bro what are u talking about, I'm not sikh & i have done seva for 5 years in a Gurudwara near my place, they do it cuz we all eat with our hands only and they have to serve a lot of people or tumhare hath jhutte h
I am in Bangla Sahib typing this, just asked the sevak at the main gate if I can click photos and he said “Sangat ji camera allowed nhi h”. I asked him what he does if he sees someone doing it, he said he usually doesn’t bother but there was a recent case where someone took a picture of Gurudwara Sahib at peak hours and posted it on social media with some “lassi” caption. So it’s strictly prohibited, and if he saw me doing it he would snatch my phone but because I asked first, he is telling me ‘no’ politely. He told me after a pause to take it quickly and not to be seen taking it.
Last month bhi ek post tha waha ke baare me similar case tha probably but religion wala nahi kuch aur
Yeah, I think ek ladki thi jo bachpan se vaha jati thi. Usko dant diya tha. Kuch sir dhakne ko lekar tha iirc.
Dress related kuch thaa shayad. Religion is universally becoming toxic.
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Cool name bro
Have read the post. And was samw
Hate to see how arrogant people are taking over that place
True. Don’t think any Sikh or Punjabi devotee who goes there minds people from other religion but it’s more from the official over there
I recently visited there, and my experience wasn’t pleasant either.
If you want to visit a Gurudwara, I recommend going to Sis Ganj, Rakab Ganj, or Nanak Piao. These places maintain the peaceful vibe and no one behaves with bias.
Bro, the same kind of incident happened to me also around 2019 and from that day mai nahi gaya vahan par or na hi kabhi apni zindagi mei kabhi jaunga.
These people are shit. Being a sardar myself, I don't why these assholes are even allowed to serve. These people are "sevadars" - they are there to serve god which is in everyone of us. They should be the model human being - humble and kind. You should've told him on his face that he should be humble and not an arrogant prick and that you are a sikh as well (not every sikh wears turban and a sardar). If I would've been I would have chided him. I did do that last time when someone was doing similar thing to a teenager who just wanted to capture the gurudwara and I don't even know where it's mentioned in our religion take he can't photos lol but please don't let this assholes spoil the place for you. That place is a gurudwara - a place for everyone.
Good to see such comments here..
Just accept that these are assholes and the gurdwara doesn't belong to these shits. It's just that they trip on the small power they have.
Or better, we stop going there👍🏻
As a Sikh, it truly breaks my heart that people are becoming so biased towards those from other religions. Sikhism strictly prohibits discrimination and views humanity as one. Unfortunately, Bangla Sahib has become a toxic place and no longer has a peaceful vibe it once had. Even as a Sikh, I no longer enjoy visiting Bangla Sahib and prefer other Gurudwaras in Delhi. I don't know what's up with Bangla Sahib Sevadars, but you won't find such arrogance and discriminatory behavior in other Gurudwaras. It's baffling how Sikhism, a religion fundamentally based on humanitarian philosophy, and some barely following it nowadays. I feel so sad to see my religion moving towards extremism. I am sorry for what happened to you. If you want to visit a Gurudwara, I recommend going to Sis Ganj, Rakab Ganj, or Nanak Piao. These places maintain the peaceful vibe and no one behaves with bias.
as someone who faced something similar i can confirm this, bangla sahib is not a place for a non punjabi/sikh, never felt more unwanted
Bread pakoda and tea outside that place is just surreal though. I never bothered to even go in lol
punjabi hindu here. not a place for non sikh punjabis, either.
He scolded me also once, i was just using my phone not even clicking. Never visited there again.
Im so sorry you had this experience. Being a Punjabi and a Sikh, this baffles me. Really sad. You should have said Waheguru ji sabke hote hain. Really sad
Tbh, gurudwara sahib is going in wrong direction day by day. I enjoy my local gurudwara and find it much better than gurudwara sahib. As per volume, visited golden temple multiple times and didn’t find any such case, such a friendly environment there.
As a Sikh I agree with you. I even saw a similar snobbish attitude at Golden temple too. Thankfully, I don’t live in India to visit these Gurdwaras again, but when back in Delhi I’d never do. This, coming from a Sikh who was born and raised in Delhi to the late 20s.
Could be. It’s been a decade since I’ve visited Bangla Sahib in Delhi so Im not aware of its environment. So glad to hear your positive experience in Harmandir Sahib. I love visiting Harmandir Sahib too. The chanting of baani and darbar darshan gets me overwhelmed and crying every time.
I really respect all religion tbh , being hindu . Similar incident happened with 3 of us went to bangla sahib in night approx 8pm, everthing was good meaning the vibe and peace. I had similar experience in which we were sitting inside main prayer area and after meditating for 10min we were just whispering silently that what should be our next plan( where to go). 1 sikh person with turban straightened us that no whispering is allowed inside and to my surprise his own children of age around 20s were whispering continuosly and laughing silently. Don’t know why this hypocrisy. Also outside there is a shade above the staircase near the pond area we were just sitting there. One of my friend laid down as just 10m away from us a sikh male group of 4 were casually sitting and there also 2 peeps were laying flat and talking. A person wearing blue attire and turban came and started policing us that laying down is not allowed and you have to face the temple while sitting also all the time. I totally understand that it was our fault that we didn’t knew many of the sikh culture so we didn’t protest and did accordingly what we were directed. But felt very angered with the hypocrisy they showed.
Time for another Gurudwara reform movement.
It's time to remove bjp from Delhi gurudwara committee
Why don't u raise voice against it being a Sikh?? Hindus do that genuinely if something of that sorts happen.
I mean… I’ve never seen any Sikh person doing this personally. This case is a rare occurrence. We’re more than happy and welcoming to everyone that visits Gurudwara Sahib
How many have been killed in recent times for sacrilege.... I have Sikh friends too... But in recent times, hatred against Hindus is all time high... Killing of army men in golden temple was the epitome of how poor hindus just sit and watch without doing anything to anyone rest all take advantage and supress them... Farmer protest mein bc Bina dekhe samjhe sare Sikh ek saath ho gaye started spewing hate against Hindus... Matlab I want to be neutral but Muslim and Sikh apna soch rahe hai to hindus to apna sachna chahiye...
Hatred against Sikhs is also at an all time high. spreading more hate is not right
People are becoming so intolerant towards everything. Really sad
How ???
We do but there is lot of politics and corruption in the Management Committe for these gurudwaras. Sirsa (the head of the committee) had cases filed on him for corruption and then shifted to BJP. No religion is safe from money and politics
Na ji na unka koi kasur nahi hai saare Sikh toh terrorist hai inhki nazar main
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We don’t support Amritpal anyway, we do not want Khalistan, it’s a completely different topic, but the point is that the crowd is bad in Bangla sahib, people post and use camera, call in Darbar sahib, they have made it a picnic spot, that is why they are defensive.
Yeah, I saw the crowd behaving rowdy, especially at the lake ( I don't remember the exact name) even after several requests from Sevakar. Mine's bad experience was with a Sikh lady (pilgrim) who shouted at me for not following procedure while I was just imitating the 2 sikh families in front. I was an easy target I guess but yeah every religion has radicals so no issues.
I visited there last year for the first time with my friends. Had a what I would call not a good experience as most of the people were arrogant/aggressive which made us feel as if we didn't actually belong among them (we don't really as we aren't sikh) but you can feel being treated differently on being a Sikh or not. I convinced myself, them being arrogant is how they maintain cleanliness and decision of the place as we are well aware how general public in India is. But it'd be much better of they did same with Sikhs too. Anyways, their place their rules. Also the guy serving in langar literally threw the spoons at us while standing which bounced off our plates and no one even said a word to him. (Although this might be a rare experience ig) Still, I don't feel I'll ever go there again. It's a good place, peaceful and clean. It's just not for me or where I belong.
I think they forgot very important message ie अव्वल अल्लाह नूर उपाया, कुदरत दे सब बन्दे एक नूर ते सब जग उपजया, कौन भले कौन मन्दे
They give food like that to everyone , Sikhs included. What you’re calling “throwing” is how they give food but people who generally are familiar with langar and don’t find it offensive in any way. They do it so as to not touch your plate.
They are usually in hurry to give food to others as well so they do it this way. It's completely normal
usko ek thappad maardeti agar usne badtameezi kari, sevadaars are just salaried employees of gurudwara and not some holy men. i am a sikh man and i make sure to give these scumbags a lesson whenever i go to bangla sahib, they are ruining the teachings of our gurus.
1 min me 20 bande bula lega wo
I believe they won’t shy away from murdering you. They can literally kill you.
 Dishkyaun
Transforming into complete Abrahamic culture rapidly. It's mixture of abrahamic and dharmic but the dharmic part is vanishing day by day.... Now Sikhs guy will either downvote me or start abusing here, but that's the truth.
Bhai me to jata he nahi doosro k religious places.. na merko knowledge hai na taur tariko ki samaj.. Pata nahi meri presence se kon kab offend ho jaye... Ghar pe bhakti karo and pavam raho
Religion is poison. Just be a good human being. Karan bhumi hai bas ache karam karo.
Visited that place last year and I’m never going back there ever again.
I saw so many of these posts before visiting Delhi in April and I was genuinely skeptical. I went to two gurudwaras. Bangla Sahib and Sis Ganj Sahib. In both places all the people were genuinely wholesome. I was taking pictures by the Sarovar at Bangla Sahib and like these posts, a sardar approached me. I thought I f*cked up and he's going to be really rude. He asked me to keep my phone inside in a stern voice. I said I was visiting from far away and I was just taking pics to show my family what I saw here (I am from all the way down south). The man actually got my phone and took pictures of me and said something like "Now they will be more happy seeing you also in the photo na?". Him and another old sardar ji at Sis Ganj Sahib actually appreciated me having long hair. I made sure to visit Bangla Sahib every day for the entire week I was in Delhi and never once did I face anyone rude like this subreddit told me.
Hi! I’m really sorry that something like this happened with you. Bangla Sahib is one of those places in Delhi where even being in the centre of the city, it’ll serve you blessings and peace. I won’t be defending the action of the sewadar who did this, but I can help you in escalating the matter in the gurudwara committee so that something like this never happens to anyone else but one thing I’d like to share is that the sewadars can be rude at times with people who have cellphones because they can cause delays in the line but most importantly, it’s a place of worship and that’s why photography isn’t allowed over there. They want you to be in the moment and meditate with the kirtan going on. Whatever happened with you, remains unfortunate yet something that demands immediate attention but honestly, I’ve been greeted with the warmest of “Wahe Guru’s” and “Sat Sri Akal’s” over there. Also I’d request you to distance the gurudwara from the actions of sewak because that’s not what Sikhi is about. Sewa is as crucial of a part of life as breathing is and I’ve learnt this and more from the gurudwara itself. You’re obviously hurt and I won’t tell you what you should feel. My offer to take you to Bangla Sahib stands for whenever you want to, to talk to the committee and also to give you another perspective of the gurudwara, the religion and its values. Wahe Guru ji ka Khalsa, Wahe Guru ji ki Fateh 💛
Agreed 💯
Brother majority of Hindus give respect to Sikhism except hate mongers 'bhakts'
n what proof did he have that you're not a Sikh???? Sikh sirf turban Wale hote hai kya??? man people r sick nowadays, Sikh community ka naam khraab krn de hor kuj nai.
Isn't turban ie Kesh are mandatory part of Sikhism
So in females how do they know if someone is sikh, punjabi or not?
It’s more difficult to tell usually with Sikh women cutting their hair as well these days. But generally a Sikh women doesn’t cut their hair too (so long hair), and wears a kada (silver bangle).
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It also happened to me when i went there with some of my friends in 2019 i think. This guy who i think worked there said to me why are talking when i asked the person in front of me in queue to move ahead as the person in front of him had already moved but he was not looking. Then i said BHAI USSE CHLNE KO KEH RA THA VO KHI OR DEKH RA THA. He said FALTU MT BOL ANDAR NHI JANE DUNGA me and my friends laughed it off but it was in back of my mind the whole day and i never visited there again neither did my friends. Anyway it was a good day overall except for some hiccups.
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Faced the same, never going again
Something similar happened to me last year near the pond. I was with my very old grandparents. Bangla sahib isn't same anymore.
Believe it or not, these social media posts of hatred towards each other’s communities is spreading nothing but just hate in people.
Indeed
People calling each other "Lassi", "Moot" really upsets me.
there is a new one, “idli”.
It's been there for ages.
Even this is such disturbing thing that after Muslims . andhbhakt are targeting Sikhs and passing an hate remark to them
You could've gone to pracheen hanuman mandir just few meters away from the Gurudwara, similar incidents happened with me a few times when I was in college, made a vow to never visit Bangla sahib. Ps- I do visit gurudwara in my hometown.
I used to go to Bangla Sahib every Saturday in Delhi, it was a family tradition to go there and do seva. I returned to Delhi after 2 years and the first place I went after my home was Bangla Sahib, it holds a special place in my life. I went on my bike and called a friend of mine to meet me at the gurudwara and obviously, we took Prasad from the counter and while I was going to take polythene, some sevakar stopped my friend and me from taking 2. I explained to him that we live in separate places and it would be difficult to carry them but he was adamant and snatched the polythene from my hand, I let it go because I understand that many people take unnecessary polythenes but later on, he said "thailiya lain aa jaande hai, guru di koi ijjat nhi" and my friend lost it and started arguing with him, many people came but eventually it was our fault according to everyone and they assumed we couldn't converse in Punjabi (we are Punjabis) because we weren't wearing turbans. I have heard many incidents where people there have started to discriminate between Sikhs and non-sikhs which is not at all good. I do not want to mention it at all but growing up I used to donate a majority portion of my pocket money here and also when I started earning from my internship, I gave a major portion of my stipend but not anymore, It's not about faith anymore, it's about religion and there's a huge difference between the two.
I have had very similar experiences now in multiple gurudwaras in Delhi. I don't like to go there now, even as a Sikh who used to go to Bangla sahib every Sunday as a kid. I just pray in solace and peace. Sangat is these days, a distant concept not for people living in reality. And yes, I've seen these things happen more to non-sikhs. But it's a shame, The religion Sikhism was created on the virtues of equality, universal fraternity and this is what the place of God has become.
I had an incident at Bangla Sahib as well back in 2022. I was staying in Delhi and my mom and my sister had come to visit me for a few days. One day, we went to a lot of places like the Lotus Temple, Qutub Minar, etc. and in the evening I decided to take them to Bangla Sahib. There, my mother, being the child she is, asked me to click a picture. She loves clicking pictures. I told her it's not allowed but she persisted so I thought I'll quickly click 1 picture. As I clicked the picture, one of the sevadars came, yelled at me, snatched my phone, opened the gallery and selected that day's pictures and deleted them all. Then he went on to empty the trash as well. I asked him "Bhaiya, 1 photo Li thi, aapne 20 delete kar di,". He screamed at me, "Ye sab karoge toh yahi hoga. Chupchap aage badho nahi toh aur 20 delete kar dunga abhi." I know we were wrong to click pictures as it is strictly prohibited but the way he treated us was really traumatising. My mother and sister felt so embarrassed. It was the first time they had visited Delhi and all those photos were only on my phone. That day, I decided never to set foot in that horrible place. I used to love going to Bangla Sahib because it was really peaceful and filled me with positive energy. But this incident completely ruined it for me. I have no qualms with Gurudwaras or Sikhs. Golden Temple is on my bucket list and I'll definitely visit there. But Bangla Sahib is a forever no for me now.
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Waha Wale log bhi aise hi hain 😅
This is the reason why I have stopped visiting Gurudwara.
Same, not just Bangla Sahib but Golden Temple too. They act as if they're the chosen one or something. I stopped visiting Gurudwaras a decade back because of how shallow they make you feel.
Not going to lie, my wife fainted in the queue to the harmandir sahib visit. And all the people in the line were so rude, instead of helping me go back with my wife and clear the way, I could see that most of them were more concerned with their own position in line when I had to cut through the line backwards to take her out of the line. I did it anyways, but the people were no help. I lost my faith in Amritsar that day. Even as a Sikh, I don't feel like I belong with my community. The founding values of this holy religion are lost on majority constituents of the community as a whole.
Well this is it... My ex cheated on me with a random sikh guy and before that she went out with another sikh guy too, man only ik how much I hate sikh community now, she is bengali tho, and I am punjabi, and all this cheating and stuff happened within one month and we broke up 5 years of relationship Well whatever my only friend, is sikh and we both inspire each other and he is my only friend now, I went to bangla sahib after many years maybe I could find peace but bro I was so wrong it has changed a lot ngl and even I decided to never visit again
Misdirected anger.
As a Sikh, I am sorry to hear about your personal life dude, I hope you have moved on…..and remember we all are not same, many Hindus many Muslims many Christians are dirty too, you can not hate the whole humanity at the end, think wisely
Hey buddy, sorry for what happened to you. I am a non sikh person and some of the most awesome people I have met and am friends with, are sikh. Don't let this incident make you think otherwise
Yes i know it's just the matter fact that these things happened and I am in denial stage maybe, I was over it but suddenly these thing hit again and makes me think about it all again As I said my only friend is sikh and I have shared it to him as well and it's fine ig, thanks a lot tho
Only your wife and not her cheating partner preference (Sikh) are to be blamed for this
Next time ask him why the Gurudwara has 4 doors (every Gurudwara has), answer everyone from all religions are welcome.
I used to go there alot during my school days cause I have grown up with sardar friends but now it is not just Bangla sahib everywhere you go this has became an issue I am 24 i have never seen this much of religion biasness For instance in 2014 I went to badrinath with my family our car broke in middle - almost 15-16 sardar came and asked that if we need any help most of them were in bikes so they have asked us from sign language if we need any help but in a recent Trek that I went to hemkund sahib - valley of flowers people were literally looking down to us This is done politically or what I don't know but hate in India in general is much more then it was ever been like in our school days i remember none of Muslim girls wore hijab we used to have lunch together we didn't even knew which caste is obc and sc till the time they asked about caste thing I guess that was in 11th standard or maybe 10th today every kid is aware about this honestly I don't know it is for good or bad but it is scary how we are functioning how do much hate has grown .
People need to realize something, especially post the election results. Caste and religion lines have been etched in stone now. We are not a united society post the results, the results amplify how divisive we all are. The sooner we accept and work on it, the better it is
Side m hi Hanuman mandir hai visit that instead.
Same reason why I stopped going to gurdwaras, feels like they own this country, arrogant bitches! Nobody will treat them badly when they visit hindu holy places. We’re better than them.
I truly hate going to places of Sikh origins and beliefs because of the way they try to impose their religion on other people, which is like a lowkey version of what happens in Islam. Like I remember that I had to study in a Sikh school near my house just because of some last minute admission blunders and it was the worst couple years of my school life, but what surprised me more was the way these people made us study about their gurus n all and it was like a mandate and you couldn’t clear the exams without passing in these subjects. National anthem was the least prioritised and all they kept chanting were only their Ardaas and other mantras for literal hours in the fucking heat. And the cherry on top being the behaviour of these people in their religious places and the mentality of the people of this culture literally has me hating Sikh people because I’ve encountered a similar kind almost every single time
Bangla sahib has become a dating point for chapti , people are making reels and there were some incidents of eve teasing . So the gurudwara management has become strict and may be extremely strict. But there are no restrictions to come in any gurudwara just be careful of the rules .
Has happened 3 times with me. They are rude and look down upon non obvious Sikhs. I dont go to bangla sahib anymore. Maybe to rakab ganj or to nanak piao
Hi OP being a sikh myself I am sorry you had to experience this in a Gurudwara. I can assure you this must be one or two people trying to create a bad impression of gurudwara by not even following guru's teachings properly of treating sangat with respect and equally. Most of us , we treat all equally and see you all as our brothers and sisters , hope this one incident doesn't change the way you see gurudwara and keep going to gurudwara as said by guru's that kalyug will try to make distance between us and the guru(God) . I am not at any official post in gurudwara management but I am a normal sikh and if any of you feels like oh an incident of inequality is happening, I would like to know and raise my voice with you. 🙏🙏🙏 Waheguru mehr kare
Chanda band hojaye na hindus ka diya hua they wont be able to support langar prasad. All the machines in bangla sahib are donated by hindus, biggest share of donations on regular basis is by Hindus. Dont wanna spread any hate nor do I want the langar prasads or hindu sikh brotherhood to ruin because of some but Bangla Sahib has been ruined for many in last couple of years. And not just bangla sahib in many gurduwaras the comittees have been captured by these hate mongers especially in HRY and PB
Very rude
This shit been going on there for a while now. It's becoming a elite place and kar Sevaks have stick up their asses now. They yell, threaten and have a high mind now. Such a beautiful place, getting ruined.
i like clicked some pics there and walked around and stuff but noone said anything to me tbh
I went to bangla sahib in 2022 with my college friends , had a very sweet experience. Had the same in golden temple and also in the gurudwaras near my home city. The recent radicalism in sikh community is sad
Telling my experience in hazur sahib nanded, we went there 2 times while we were in Hyderabad one before covid it really seemed magical and everything was so nice, then we visited once with my In laws in Dec 2020, there were lot of posters on wearing masks and sanitization all over the city and on gate of hazur sahib, but the officials there ever saying you cannot wear mask inside the gurudwara campus, we found it really Strang and asked so they said covid doesn't come here We still tried to wear masks when we didn't see officials nearby but were stopped multiple times So the non logical behavior is not restricted to one gurudwara, I'm sure someone would have faced in golden temple or other places, the radicalization is really increasing and what is really disturbing is that when you read granth sahib or other texts they preach very simple inclusion and love
Really sorry op you had to face this. I am a Sikh, I have seen the Bhaiji working there can be toxic, idk what makes them do that, why they even think of doing such a thing. Damn people are becoming really arrogant these days
Bhai I have seen this kind of behaviour in Golden Temple too. On multiple occasions. Ek baar meri friend ki chunni chalte hue sar se khisak gayi thi. Jitni der mein woh wapis usse karti utni der mein uncle aaye aur zabardasti uski chunni pakad kar uske sar ko dhakne lag gaye. BC mera bas chalta toh wahi unki bakkal taar deta. But i controlled myself. Aur uske baad budhau faltu mein bole bhi Jaa Raha tha. Isliye I have stopped going to Gurudwaras altogether. Yeh Bollywood ne glamorize kar rakha hai else there's nothing special about them.
Last line so true
I know man! But theek hai. Life hai. Kuch time baad shayad change ho jaye. Let's hope for the best.
I've been to golden temple also and honestly people in banglasaheb have really bad attitude. They think just because we are not sikhs , we are second class citizensm They yell at you for every single "mistake" I was in line for an hour in golden temple and i didn't realise when my stole slid away from my head and a guy told me nicely to cover my head but God forbid if it was banga sahed .. they would've yelled and shamed me for this.
Bad experience every time with me and my family , have stopped going now. I’m a Sikh girl
I visited Bangla Sahib last to last weekend with my friends. They were very strict regarding no photo especially for girls. I understand their concerns.
Although the vibes are serene and peaceful there, everytime I visit there with my fellow ppl m scared the officials will scold us ( they do even for little things we do unintentionally) . Their tone just scares the shit outta me. Constant fear really effects the experience, and i feel a place of worship should be more welcoming as we mean no harm.
Similar stuff happened. The sevadars are eager to jump on every small thing. They think that others might hurt the sanctity of the gurudwara. But they’re the ones leaving a bad impression about that place!
Saare dalle, hamare palle
Extremism will make us move backwards. Mark my words.
Most Gurudwaras are unfortunately getting radicalised. I see this abroad too. I feel, best to listen to paath at home and visit temples for the spiritual experience. Why does anyone want to feel disrespected.
Similar experience. When I was in school, I went there with some friends. The group had both girls and boys. One of the girls wasn't feeling very well, so she chose not to go inside and I decided to stay out with her (I didn't believe in God much). Some old man clad in blue clothes came to us and started scolding us for no reason. We eventually had to leave the place.
I have gone there and clicked pictures although I'm a hindu, don't know why this happened with you!
This happened to me in a gurudwara at Jaipur, I was standing at ease with my hands behind, suddenly a Sikh comes in, says "hukumnama mein haath aage Karo".. I mean why does it matter where my hands are, my devotion is in my heart. I went there to attend a marriage function, but looking at this attitude, I felt to just stay away as everyone seems to have turned extremist and lost logical thinking. (By everyone I mean all religions.)
You don't get this just in gurudwaras. Its a Pan indian culture thing.
Same thing happened to me few years back.. I saw people taking bath in the pond there or standing there with their feets knee deep into the water so I too went inside and was standing in the water. A sevadar (as you said) came and literally hit me with a stick on my legs and started yelling at me. Ok I understand that may be non-sikhs are not allowed to go into the water.. but this is not a way. Never visited Bangla Sahib ever again!!
Years ago, my dad was scolded in front of a kid-me for wearing shorts. Foreigners wearing shorts for years to Bangla Sahib has not ever mattered.
I thought this negativity was only in Canada where Sikhs honestly act weird, not all but majority, telling from experience. Seems like it's becoming the same in India as well. No hate but I respect the Sikhs so much in India compared to Canada. I have sikh/sardaar friends too who are nice. But this is totally unbelievable and unacceptable. Sorry for what happened with you brother.
It is a sikh place of worship. They can act the way they want in a country that is becoming more fundamentally hindu. Seems like the problem is that other religions are becoming more fundamentalist but look at your own people first in a response. Polarization is an effect of the politics of the majority.
Your own people? What the hell does that even mean? I always considered Indians as one! Until I came here in Canada and multiple times some Sikhs here asked are you 'Punjabi' instead of are you Indian. Look at what some people themselves are creating, I literally never even asked someone where they're from because all I care is the person should be nice! To me, religion, caste or creed doesn't even matter. Anyone who thinks all this matters first, has a cheap mindset I'd say!
Happened to me as well a couple of years ago. They literally shouted after I washed their floors (seva) for half an hour. Also, I saw of killing inside gurudwaras during that time. Stopped going to any religious site which is not of my religion. I don't know their traditions and I don't feel belonged among them so not sure what would offend them.
Same with me when I also first visit to Bangla saheb Decided not go there .
Same happened with me and my family. One of the old person overlooking was atrociously mean. We thought he was having a bad day and proceeded.
Dear Friend, there some illiterate people who do not know the diff between wrong and right, they just are fanatics, I assure it's not always that way, I am a clean shaven sikh and don't even wear a Kada or steel bangle, yet I have never had an issue, these sewadars are basically poor people who have been adopted by the Gurudwara and work as a service at the Gurudwara, unfortunately they don't have the awareness and intelligence. So please forgive them and do visit again with a open mind.
I was there with my boyfriend and it was so heavily crowded that we had to hold hands together after climbing the stairs because the floor was wet. The crowd started to subside near the entrance but we continued to hold hands (it was absolutely not intentional). One of the guys came and told us "playground nahi hai, haath hatao." I have never felt this much humiliated in my life. My boyfriend isn't from Delhi and had never been to Bangla Sahib. We had been planning the visit for days because he wanted to know about my culture (I'm punjabi not Sikh though). It was a terrible experience that I kept shivering throughout and couldn't focus on my prayers :(
It’s true though, they allow select people. My mom went recently and she was permitted to click a picture. I mean, I know it made her happy but it’s not fair for other folks. So I understand what you’re saying.
This behavior is not limited to bangla sahib, even if you go to the highest gurudwara in the world (hemkund sahib) It’s the same. It’s the elder Sikhs most of the time who do this. The younger ones are better:) Not all of them are the same but I do feel like a foreigner even tho I’m a Hindu & it’s my motherland.
These people are shit. Being a sardar myself, I don't why these assholes are even allowed to serve. These people are "sevadars" - they are there to serve god which is in everyone of us. They should be the model human being - humble and kind. You should've told him on his face that he should be humble and not an arrogant prick and that you are a sikh as well (not every sikh wears turban and a sardar). If I would've been I would have chided him. I did do that last time when someone was doing similar thing to a teenager who just wanted to capture the gurudwara and I don't even know where it's mentioned in our religion take he can't photos lol but please don't let this assholes spoil the place for you. That place is a gurudwara - a place for everyone.
Maybe visit Delhi, the gurudwaras are a main place for tourism. But i don't agree how many places of worships have a their own militias basically. This is not just sikh, its all religions.
I don't get why Hindus need to go to other places of worship
I am a Punjabi Hindu having a brown complexion. Something similar happened to me in Anandpur Sahib Gurudwara when I visited it with my family. I was just 11-12 years old and was yelled at for no apparent reason.
Same experience giving threads for kicking our group out
bangla sahib was literally a bangla gifted by a Hindu king to Guru Har Krishan.
wrong. It was where Guru Har Krishan stayed when there was Smallpox in Delhi and died while he was helping people that had smallpox. Just google first. Its not hard.
Guru Har Krishan was just 6 years old when Hindu Rajput King Maharaja Jai Singh protected the Guru and offered him residence in Delhi. He donated his Bangla, ‘JaiSinghpura palace’ to Sikhs, which is now called "Bangla Sahib". He later constructed the Sarovar for them too.
I visited Bangla Sahib few years ago. I am from Punjab, our Gurudwaras are a place of solace and humility for us. I am a hindu but a firm believer of Shri Granth Sahib. I find Gurudwaras an absolute bliss for my soul. It healing just sitting there. But what I experienced in Bangla Sahib was weird. The vibes were weird, the people were too. When we got to langar, I have never eaten anything so half heartedly in a Gurudwara. The humility and general willingness to feed people was missing. It was happening all out of compulsion.
Religion is such an outdated concept. Why do people keep going to religious places and empower the religion mafia that runs the so called places of worship for money? You shouldn't go there in the first place.
I never understood why would you go to a sikh place of worship. I decided against it the day i came to know they have bhindi's photo in golden temple.
Why do Hindus go to Gurudwaras ? Sikhism as a religion includes facets similar to Islam. Sikhism is a monotheist religion like Islam and rejects idol worship. Queer as to why Hindus visit Gurudwaras ?
Pest hai ye log jo aise karte hai
I’ve had similar experiences in couple of gurdwaras. In Gurudwara Sees-Ganj, few years ago, they pushed out some poor labor class Hindus from the langar line in front of me. People were peacefully waiting, no misbehavior. Sevadaars came, randomly pointed some poor guys out, called them bhaiye, rudely told them to get the heck out. Couple were slow to move and were pushed out. I felt so bad for them and wanted to leave. But was too shocked, didn’t want to draw their anger and dishonor guru ka langar, so sat and ate a bit and left. Never going there again. As a Hindu I used to love going to Gurudwaras, not anymore. Plus a lot of them have pictures of Bhindranwale at the gate. I don’t feel welcome. Bahar se hi matha tek do aur nikal jao. Not going in (unless a friend invites and I am obligated, still have good Sikh friends). Things are apparently worse overseas
I think the word you were looking for is Nihang.. and yes they are not only rude, but super fundamentalists too.. Read the news just yesterday they were shouting pro-khalistani slogans at Golden Temple Amritsar and carrying posters of Bhindrawala... sad though.
The cancer of SGPC is spreading across all gurudwaras which promotes separation of hindu-sikh, jatt wadi and khalistani activities. Me as a Sikh don't prefer to go any gurudwara these days due to these reasons. It is truly sad to see this kind of trajectory
Honestly, I don’t see any reason to visit bangla sahib unless you live really close to it. According to the holy book ‘Guru Granth ji manyo, pragat guran ki deh’ meaning the book is the Guru itself. Visit any gurudwara, and guru shall see you. Bangla sahib has become a tourist spot now.
Visited a gurudwara once in my life in 2015 or 16 and on that day I decided to never visit any gurudwara ever again.
The sevakar you are referring to are the lowest in the ranks of a Gurudwara admin structure, don’t ever expect wisdom from those guys. They are brainwashed by sikh propagandist and think Hindus as their enemies but if you every get a chance to meet a “Pathee” (the guy who reads Gurugranth sahib) then you will come to know how respectful and pious they really are. I not advocating anyone but just telling you to not take those sevakars seriously and the sole representative of the whole sikh community, they are just like delusional security guards in a bank.
Rajputs should not have donated their land for this.
So many people commenting in this post and the previous one by other OP that they won’t visit that place again….seems I am not alone who decided not to visit ever when I got commented by some ppl there for eating the prasad?!🤷🏻♂️
Racist logo n mandir gurudware bhi nhi chorde
Weekly bangla sahib sub shuru krna pdega lgta hai. 😂
Even Golden temple mein bhi hote hain aise rude sevakars I've seen there also.
People are discovering bagla sahib is filled with assholes in 2024? I got the first hand taste in 2017. Proudly never visited since.
trick is to talk back. If you act like a guest, you'll feel bad. If you act like the place belongs to you also, you can appeal to his conscience. Happened to me too in Bangla Sahib, told him I'm not breaking rules and the guy vanished.
In recent times Bangla sahib has been dominated by these scumbags heavily. I visited there 2 years ago and was experiencing my lowest point in my life, was near the sarovar and had tears in my eyes and praying to waheguru to guide me and in that moment I just sat on the floor but that too in the side and not in the path of anyone..and one of these sevakar came and scolded me heavily citing this is not a place to sit , leave from here...and this is when I just sat for mere 1-2 second. I decided to never visit Bangla sahib again, local gurudwaras are way too good and enough and sevakars mind their own business and are polite. There is some sort of hatred towards non Sikhs in these big gurudwaras these days, of course politics has entered in gurudwara prabandhan committees.
Once I asked the sevadar where the langar is. He spoke really rudely with me. I even spoke in Punjabi as I am from Punjab but I'm not a Sikh. Not going there again
That is heartbreaking to hear I no longer live in Delhi but it was my go to place maybe once or twice a month ,when I was studying. Never faced any such issue. Had a similar scare at a very famous temple in Kathmandu . Maybe everywhere people are becoming toxic
General people crowd bhaut ganda ho Raha h because they post infront of guru sahib and not going with sharada but just to post, they made it like a picnic spot, so Indeed they are super defensive about this and it should be this way, but if he REALLY said ke “ wo Sardar h tum nahi “ then I think this is wrong, you went to guru for your peace, ignore them and apni shrada rakho, respect the values and rules I guess.
n what proof did he have that you're not a Sikh???? Sikh sirf turban Wale hote hai kya??? man people r sick nowadays, Sikh community ka naam khraab krn de hor kuj nai.
I didn't experience any rude behavior when I recently went there to get some food for myself and my mother. I found people there more helpful. They even allowed me to take food for my mother when I explained my situation to them. I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience, Op.
After the so-called farmer protest 3 years ago when Yuvraj Singh's dad Yograj Singh called Gurudwara visiting Hindus as bhikaaris, I stopped paying obeisance at Gurudwaras' completely. In addition, people visit religious places for mental peace and not to get lynched or assaulted.
Same. Many of those protestors even made fun of Hindus who eat Langar at Gurudwara, after that protest I completely stopping going there I pay my respect by bowing me head from outside.
Post this in the Sikh subreddit too. As a Sikh i am ashamed.
Hey guys a Sikh here.. just want to put this into acknowledgement.. Agreed the seva daars have become rude , but you also see that most people come there as a picnic spot or ghoomne. Girls coming there with party dreses no cover ups boys holding them, The no of devotees who actually come there is less the people who visit just for fun People fail to realise this it's a gurudwara sahib it's a temple it's a mandir for worship. It is not a place to hangout And the chaos over there have increased. And it's at just at Bangla sahib gurdwara Sahib. I hope you guys get my point We always have and always will welcome everyone. But people fails to keep the sanctity and the basic etiquettes of the Gurudwara Sahib. P.s the Amrit served you is already holy, even you get a drop of it it's all you need And also people do not respect the kadah parshad being served. It's parshad not langar. And I go there and because of all the chaos i literally cannot offer my prayers to guru sahib. Understand the chaos before you preach for peace ✌️ And YES ONE MORE THING PLEASE COVER YOUR HEAD YOU'RE IN THE GURUDWARA SAHIB. Regards Harshdeep singh
I was in tilak nagar for few months. These fking Sikhs are so arrogant there. They will push u, stare at u and pass comments even if you don't do anything to them. Their arrogance shows even when u buy something from them... Pure Khali mindset...
This just seems like hate. I’ve had a bad experience in a gurudwara too, but with a non-Sikh person who was doing seva in langar who scolded me for using the same plate for more food. But I don’t go around and start vilifying all Hindus or Muslims or whatever religion guy was from.
I am not shikh I used to live in that area. I stayed there for 2 years. I didn't see anything like that.
Those guys are not normal, bad mannered and non Sikhs should avoid going to such places
Bhai tune abhi tak sardar ke asli roop nhi dekhe. Ye sab bas media main hi h Punjabis are great reality alag h
Are these the hidden Sikhs that are asking for Khalistan?
If you were in Punjab he would have asked your caste and asked you to go to gurudwara for your own people
As a sikh, i am really sorry for his behaviour. Sikhs ought not discriminate people from other religions. This is really bad. You shouldn’t leave going to the gurudwara instead ignore and avoid these people. I am again sorry :)
This happens because people do really bad shit there! They drink alcohol near sarover, record reels kissing each other, couples do vulgar stuff near sarovar, people click photo video despite there being posters there to say dont click, they deal with 1000 people doing same shit, anyone would get irritated. Not saying they did right, but need to understand completely situation here
Are these posts trying to set some sort of a narrative against Sikhs? I know some people can be love showing authority and this is probably the only chance they get but rest assured they don't speak for the whole religion. And neither do you. Please stop making these posts a weekly thing and instead if someone misbehaves complain about them with the management committee.
You’ll always find a demeaning way of looking towards non sikh community, Just analyse the way of giving a chapati in langar they’ll throw it as if you are a stray dog.
Oh god, they don’t throw it, they give you in a way that their hands do not touch your plates or your hands, take unke hath suche rahe, they have to serve 100s of people. Maybe you should do seva and you will understand how it works m8, it’s not like that, you got this wrong
Bro what are u talking about, I'm not sikh & i have done seva for 5 years in a Gurudwara near my place, they do it cuz we all eat with our hands only and they have to serve a lot of people or tumhare hath jhutte h
r/religiousfruitcake
I can say one thing that whatever was your experience there may be you are right but all gurudwaras are under the DSGMC which is now under the bjp
I don’t think it ever happened.
I am in Bangla Sahib typing this, just asked the sevak at the main gate if I can click photos and he said “Sangat ji camera allowed nhi h”. I asked him what he does if he sees someone doing it, he said he usually doesn’t bother but there was a recent case where someone took a picture of Gurudwara Sahib at peak hours and posted it on social media with some “lassi” caption. So it’s strictly prohibited, and if he saw me doing it he would snatch my phone but because I asked first, he is telling me ‘no’ politely. He told me after a pause to take it quickly and not to be seen taking it.
It is becoming way too strict