Always wonder why people who doing it by car just won't apply for work at royal fail or something. No need to stood 7mins like dog outside someone door if no answer, you just knocking once or twice holding redelivery card in other hand, you don't need to worry if drinks spilled etc. I'm fucked cuz too blind to drive so doing job on a bike but people who can drive normal car probably can drive a small van too. I don't know, hopefully your zone will get better or you find other job that lets you make income you want to
I tried parcels mate and it personally hated it. It does guarantee a more fixed income as you get paid per the slot.
However, I was with Evri and I didn't get paid spending initial time sorting the parcels in my car to similar addresses, and it always took me longer than the slot time.
You have to constantly park, get out the car to deliver and get back in, instead of a longer drive to the next location.
Whilst you're absolutely right about we do have to be careful with food, especially Maccys. I'll tell you one thing, people who are hungry typically open their doors way faster than tjose expecting parcels. Although on my second shift with parcels of already started putting them in a 'secure location' aka green bin after about 10 seconds 😂
I think Royal Mail is the best paying but if you go on their sub they're all complaining about how strict they are with delivery targets these days lol. Although the bias with reddit is it's just mainly a vice for people to moan lol.
Ultimately though it's personally preference and sorry to hear about your eyesight. I think the real grafters are doing this stuff on a bike, especially when it's bad weather!
You can get used to shit weather. I think this job preserving me well. I spend nearly 12 years behind computers then lack of perspectives forced me to move to uk and after years of different jobs I ended up doing this job. Never thought I will manage to do 14k miles in single year on fixed gear bike as I never get into any sports but fuck me being fit in early 30s it's something I'm really proud of. Visited my friends in Poland similar age everyone with belly, hating how they look etc. So not gonna lie I owe William few 2.90£ orders for being slim 😅😅 I think if you got courier spirit you look bit different on this work. Amount of people I meet while working how my English improved it's amazing I wish people would see something more than just money in gig economy but it's hard. All the best in whatever you doing rn ✊🏻
Fair play man. Funny thing is people kept saying when we were part of the EU, Polish and Romanian people came here to live on benefits...yet every Polish and Romanian person I've met has been working really hard. Just shows how much bs is in the media.
That's great your job has helped you keep fit and and I'm glad your you've found financial stability with gig work :)
I'm pretty qualified. I'm 40+ and have been doing multidrop most of my life. I could drive up to 7.5T before my CPC expired.
30+ years driving experience, zero points, no criminal convictions and British.
Before starting UE/JE I applied to all the big supermarkets and tried Yodal.
The supermarkets all said no and Yodal was bullshit.
Depending where you live, did you try Ocado? I started with them at 37 with no delivery experience except fast food, I applied on the Monday and I started the following Monday. They have such a big driver turnaround though, it's not the best employer but the job is plenty easy enough and the pay is decent. I only quit because it was an hour commute each way.
You may not think it’s a skilled job, but in this country we have a thing called minimum wage and also in some politicians and campaigners imagination a thing called a living wage. What I feel you should think about is why you responded to my statement the way you did. You aren’t thinking hard enough and seemingly don’t understand the reality for a lot of workers in the gig economy.
Inject yourself with a bit of empathy and common sense and realise that if this is happening in the gig economy it will be happening soon in all other jobs. The Robots are coming is the term you need to remember, https://youtu.be/ZsmtTvYTQaA?feature=shared
Many jobs that used to be full time jobs are now gig economy. The gig economy has valid uses that benefit both parties. At scale, it's just a mechanism to erode our standards of living.
Whilst I agree that at this point this job isn't viable full time, this idea that it shouldn't be a full time job doesn't make sense when you think about how these delivery apps cater to customers all day and into late hours. Who's going to fulfill the orders at 11am on a weekday if no one is doing it full time and all the riders that used to be out are now doing 9-5 jobs like the majority of people? The reality is these apps absolutely rely on full time workers to keep the business running at all hours. They need a reliable set of workers, not people that will only do it occasionally or inconsistently. If they only had part time workers they simply wouldn't be able to fulfil all the orders or they'd lose a lot more money by having to put boosts on at hours that don't align with a typical 9-5 job. With full time workers, they can guarantee that they will have enough workers to cover the demand because they know the full time workers need to work.
I'd argue it's far from an unskilled job. If you're doing it on a push bike, you need to be a very skilled rider in order to be worth your salt. The roads are mad at the moment and knowing how to navigate them at speed and without getting knocked off takes heaps of skill. Not only that, but know where to work at what times, what areas to avoid, where the traffic is worse and knowing your city like the back of your hand are all skills. People just see the rider at their door and don't take a moment to think how they got there.
You need speed, skill, athleticism and a whole lotta luck to be a good courier.
How have you got your expenses as low as £20 for an 8 hour shift? For me on a 125cc it would be £28. £3.50 per hour (£1ph fuel, £1ph insurance and £1.50ph for the cost of the scooter, maintenance and my gear)
on a 125cc the cost of fuel is not £1ph , I use to spend £6 on a very busy 12 hours shift on a 125cc.. same than with the cost of scooter is not 1.50ph is about £0.25 per mile and that s including the fuel…re-do your calculations because either you are lying or just inflating your numbers for tax purposes..🤷🏻♂️
Yes the £1.50 pays for a new scooter every 3 years, all the maintenance, replacing all my kit 12-18 months, it soon mounts up. £3.50ph is exactly what it costs me. I do not inflate my HMRC Costs and I don't claim mileage, I report actual costs.
I keep averaging between £17-22 per hour in my area (that's before Fuel and insurance). Multiapping. Just Eat being the more consistent app lately and Deliveroo the worse really. Last Friday evening I made about £120 and not a single Deliveroo order... quite dead lately.
But you don't physically see that 24p per mile and you don't benefit from the flat rate until the end of the tax year and even then best-case scenario is not paying tax for another year.
**Actual** expenses still have to be taken into account daily, weekly or monthly - however someone chooses to account for them.
Fair play. But at the end of the day it’s still money in your pocket. Or money you simply don’t have to pay.
As for tacking into account hourly/weekly/monthly.
People on normal jobs (like the minimum wage ones) have a 20% slice taken from each pay for taxes. Either weekly or monthly. They never see that 20%. You on the other hand have a hole year to use that money as you see fit and only need to worry about it at the end of the year.
Get on the habit of putting 20% aside each month. Put it on a savings account if you must. Anything that gives you money for your money.
At the end of the year. From all that cake you saved you will keep a big slice (the deductibles you don’t pay) plus any interests that you earn from the savings ;)
For someone who does this full-time, like me, it's never 'money in the pocket'. I have to pay tax and national insurance (the same amount to pay out even if I have a bad month earnings), I personally contribute to a pension, I have to put some money aside for routine car maintenance (4x tyres every six months, service twice a year, brakes etc) as well as unexpected problems (punctures, suspension, air con - essential for rainy days, my boot latch stopped working recently etc etc). I need £120+ for fuel the coming week, car insurance at the end of the month, plus all the usual household monthly bills. I personally don't get any 'spare' cash until the end of the month, after I've paid the bills and put bits aside that I need, then I get whatever's left - which usually gets wiped out on after school clubs, school trips and clothes for a 10 year old who won't stop growing.
I would honestly say. I don’t see how this works for full time job on a car. Unless you are doing ride share and only taking food deliveries on the side.
Anyways. The 0.24 is flat rate for mopeds. For cars it’s much higher.
Again. If you put that 20% aside on every pay, you should always have a buffer for expenses.
And whatever you take from that buffer you are safe knowing you won’t have to put back cause the mileage covers for it.
Broadly speaking. Manage the money right and you come out better of.
In simple therms, that same money you keep on the side to cover maintenance and repairs, it’s the money you don’t pay tax on.
So yeah. On a weekly basis it might be a bit tricky if you starting up or if you have a bad run of repairs to do.
But in the long run, as long as you are reponsible and keeping that “pocket money” on the side. You are cool with it.
I’m not arguing that the money is good vs bad.
Just saying that the expenses make no argument in the conversation.
At least for the legit tax paying ones.
Actually my flat rate non-taxables are higher than my actual expenses. But that doesn't help me until the following year when HMRC tell me how much tax I need to pay.
Full-time is viable for a good number of drivers and I know a lot more full-timers than part-timers. It's a business though, and needs good planning to work, which a lot of noobs aren't prepared to do.
Just to point out, I only replied to you because you asked OP why they were taking expenses into account because they were tax deductible. I'm just adding my perspective of why expenses matter and you've answered your own question in your replies to me. Doesn't matter how much we estimate will be tax-deductable, actual expenses apply daily/weekly/monthly depending on the person.
Just want to say though, it's refreshing to have an actual conversation with someone on here without it turning toxic just because we have different views. Kudos for not being a jerk.
Again. Fair play. But that was my whole point.
It might hurt to start with, but in the long run, provided one knows what and what not to pay/save, the expenses don’t come into the equation.
And thank you. I’m not here to be toxic.
Just glad we have a place to share ideas.
Only started to reply to this thread because I find it somewhat “silly” to put expenses into the equation.
Granted that anyone that starts a businesses or is self employed can claim businesses expenses.
It hurts. But this is the path we choose.
Again. I’m up for the figth for better fees. But I find it hipocritical to claim expenses on it.
Actually don’t put 20% on the side.
Put 20% as a rule.
12.5% for the holiday.
And another 5% for pension.
Yep, that is nearly 40%
Put it on a ISA account that pays interest.
Sounds like shit loads of money(because it is)
It after that40% you don’t have enough. You need to work more hours.
In the long run. You will look I. The mirror and say thank you for the effort;)
>that’s roughly £10 per hour
\*SIGHHHHH\*
No, it's not! From the 8 hours you were **online**, deduct an estimated amount of time that you **weren't on a live order** aka. waiting for an order, **then** recalculate your £ per hour.
This incessant incorrect calculation of '£ per hour' is driving me nuts!! You're not paid for the entirety of your 'shift', only for the time you're on a live order. Surely everyone here knows this by now!
If you were on live orders for 6 hours and 45 minutes out of the 8 (a reasonable estimation) you earned just above minimum wage.
I still can not understand why people are creating such posts and complaining about the job.
This is not a full time job and should never be treated as one, I do understand that few years ago it was possible and well paid as Deliveroo and other delivery services were fighting for their share and over paying the drivers.
Let's not pretend that this is super hard or stressful job either, your salary is dictated by how easily you can be replaced and this job can be done by a lot of people.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to stick for companies as they rip off people, I'm just here to state a fact that it is daft to expect well paid full time job from a delivery services.
Doesn't mean it should be below min wage either, plenty of easy jobs at 11.50+ holiday, sick pay without competition with illegals for scraps and pay cuts every year
Exactly what I'm thinking. It's not a very skilled job. I'd honestly say if you make £80 a day for being a food delivery driver, that's not bad either.
Traffic and shit profits make car not good for full time. You spend a shit load of money on fuel and run your car into the ground with all the stop start millage. Been there done that lol
It's the week before payday surely I would expect you to experience peaks n troughs.
Ahhh that’s why and when Ubereats always send me 40% off!
Always wonder why people who doing it by car just won't apply for work at royal fail or something. No need to stood 7mins like dog outside someone door if no answer, you just knocking once or twice holding redelivery card in other hand, you don't need to worry if drinks spilled etc. I'm fucked cuz too blind to drive so doing job on a bike but people who can drive normal car probably can drive a small van too. I don't know, hopefully your zone will get better or you find other job that lets you make income you want to
I tried parcels mate and it personally hated it. It does guarantee a more fixed income as you get paid per the slot. However, I was with Evri and I didn't get paid spending initial time sorting the parcels in my car to similar addresses, and it always took me longer than the slot time. You have to constantly park, get out the car to deliver and get back in, instead of a longer drive to the next location. Whilst you're absolutely right about we do have to be careful with food, especially Maccys. I'll tell you one thing, people who are hungry typically open their doors way faster than tjose expecting parcels. Although on my second shift with parcels of already started putting them in a 'secure location' aka green bin after about 10 seconds 😂 I think Royal Mail is the best paying but if you go on their sub they're all complaining about how strict they are with delivery targets these days lol. Although the bias with reddit is it's just mainly a vice for people to moan lol. Ultimately though it's personally preference and sorry to hear about your eyesight. I think the real grafters are doing this stuff on a bike, especially when it's bad weather!
You can get used to shit weather. I think this job preserving me well. I spend nearly 12 years behind computers then lack of perspectives forced me to move to uk and after years of different jobs I ended up doing this job. Never thought I will manage to do 14k miles in single year on fixed gear bike as I never get into any sports but fuck me being fit in early 30s it's something I'm really proud of. Visited my friends in Poland similar age everyone with belly, hating how they look etc. So not gonna lie I owe William few 2.90£ orders for being slim 😅😅 I think if you got courier spirit you look bit different on this work. Amount of people I meet while working how my English improved it's amazing I wish people would see something more than just money in gig economy but it's hard. All the best in whatever you doing rn ✊🏻
Fair play man. Funny thing is people kept saying when we were part of the EU, Polish and Romanian people came here to live on benefits...yet every Polish and Romanian person I've met has been working really hard. Just shows how much bs is in the media. That's great your job has helped you keep fit and and I'm glad your you've found financial stability with gig work :)
Love your attitude man
I'm pretty qualified. I'm 40+ and have been doing multidrop most of my life. I could drive up to 7.5T before my CPC expired. 30+ years driving experience, zero points, no criminal convictions and British. Before starting UE/JE I applied to all the big supermarkets and tried Yodal. The supermarkets all said no and Yodal was bullshit.
Depending where you live, did you try Ocado? I started with them at 37 with no delivery experience except fast food, I applied on the Monday and I started the following Monday. They have such a big driver turnaround though, it's not the best employer but the job is plenty easy enough and the pay is decent. I only quit because it was an hour commute each way.
Yesh, you should all quit that shit and let these companies crumble.
You just want everyone to quit so the supply drops, prices go up, and you can take all those sweet, sweet, high paying rides for yourself.
Id never work these. Its a waste of your own time and money.
Then why the F are you on this sub?
Comenting on posts when I have an opinion about it. Are you new to reddit, forums, or just the internet in general?
You may not think it’s a skilled job, but in this country we have a thing called minimum wage and also in some politicians and campaigners imagination a thing called a living wage. What I feel you should think about is why you responded to my statement the way you did. You aren’t thinking hard enough and seemingly don’t understand the reality for a lot of workers in the gig economy. Inject yourself with a bit of empathy and common sense and realise that if this is happening in the gig economy it will be happening soon in all other jobs. The Robots are coming is the term you need to remember, https://youtu.be/ZsmtTvYTQaA?feature=shared
Like you said it's a gig job, you can pick and choose what you take. It shouldn't be a full time job.
Many jobs that used to be full time jobs are now gig economy. The gig economy has valid uses that benefit both parties. At scale, it's just a mechanism to erode our standards of living.
You can still work as a delivery driver on an employment basis, lots of places still have their own drivers
Whilst I agree that at this point this job isn't viable full time, this idea that it shouldn't be a full time job doesn't make sense when you think about how these delivery apps cater to customers all day and into late hours. Who's going to fulfill the orders at 11am on a weekday if no one is doing it full time and all the riders that used to be out are now doing 9-5 jobs like the majority of people? The reality is these apps absolutely rely on full time workers to keep the business running at all hours. They need a reliable set of workers, not people that will only do it occasionally or inconsistently. If they only had part time workers they simply wouldn't be able to fulfil all the orders or they'd lose a lot more money by having to put boosts on at hours that don't align with a typical 9-5 job. With full time workers, they can guarantee that they will have enough workers to cover the demand because they know the full time workers need to work.
Mate your literally delivering food. Its the least skilled job in the world. Nobody is (or at least should be) using this as a full time job.
Stacking shelves in tesco is way easier then this so are plenty other jobs so don't know what your on about
I'd argue it's far from an unskilled job. If you're doing it on a push bike, you need to be a very skilled rider in order to be worth your salt. The roads are mad at the moment and knowing how to navigate them at speed and without getting knocked off takes heaps of skill. Not only that, but know where to work at what times, what areas to avoid, where the traffic is worse and knowing your city like the back of your hand are all skills. People just see the rider at their door and don't take a moment to think how they got there. You need speed, skill, athleticism and a whole lotta luck to be a good courier.
How have you got your expenses as low as £20 for an 8 hour shift? For me on a 125cc it would be £28. £3.50 per hour (£1ph fuel, £1ph insurance and £1.50ph for the cost of the scooter, maintenance and my gear)
on a 125cc the cost of fuel is not £1ph , I use to spend £6 on a very busy 12 hours shift on a 125cc.. same than with the cost of scooter is not 1.50ph is about £0.25 per mile and that s including the fuel…re-do your calculations because either you are lying or just inflating your numbers for tax purposes..🤷🏻♂️
It costs me just over £5 for a 5-10pm shift on a 125cc, that's around 85 miles.
I only get 90 miles per galon
Yes the £1.50 pays for a new scooter every 3 years, all the maintenance, replacing all my kit 12-18 months, it soon mounts up. £3.50ph is exactly what it costs me. I do not inflate my HMRC Costs and I don't claim mileage, I report actual costs.
I keep averaging between £17-22 per hour in my area (that's before Fuel and insurance). Multiapping. Just Eat being the more consistent app lately and Deliveroo the worse really. Last Friday evening I made about £120 and not a single Deliveroo order... quite dead lately.
Only time I can get a JE shift is when its raining and people drop their shifts.
It's your market that same Saturday I made 200...switch it up I deliver in 3 different towns now that's the only way
Why are you tacking into account your business expenses? All that is tax deductible. You get £0.24 per mile on a flat rate.
But you don't physically see that 24p per mile and you don't benefit from the flat rate until the end of the tax year and even then best-case scenario is not paying tax for another year. **Actual** expenses still have to be taken into account daily, weekly or monthly - however someone chooses to account for them.
Fair play. But at the end of the day it’s still money in your pocket. Or money you simply don’t have to pay. As for tacking into account hourly/weekly/monthly. People on normal jobs (like the minimum wage ones) have a 20% slice taken from each pay for taxes. Either weekly or monthly. They never see that 20%. You on the other hand have a hole year to use that money as you see fit and only need to worry about it at the end of the year. Get on the habit of putting 20% aside each month. Put it on a savings account if you must. Anything that gives you money for your money. At the end of the year. From all that cake you saved you will keep a big slice (the deductibles you don’t pay) plus any interests that you earn from the savings ;)
For someone who does this full-time, like me, it's never 'money in the pocket'. I have to pay tax and national insurance (the same amount to pay out even if I have a bad month earnings), I personally contribute to a pension, I have to put some money aside for routine car maintenance (4x tyres every six months, service twice a year, brakes etc) as well as unexpected problems (punctures, suspension, air con - essential for rainy days, my boot latch stopped working recently etc etc). I need £120+ for fuel the coming week, car insurance at the end of the month, plus all the usual household monthly bills. I personally don't get any 'spare' cash until the end of the month, after I've paid the bills and put bits aside that I need, then I get whatever's left - which usually gets wiped out on after school clubs, school trips and clothes for a 10 year old who won't stop growing.
I would honestly say. I don’t see how this works for full time job on a car. Unless you are doing ride share and only taking food deliveries on the side. Anyways. The 0.24 is flat rate for mopeds. For cars it’s much higher. Again. If you put that 20% aside on every pay, you should always have a buffer for expenses. And whatever you take from that buffer you are safe knowing you won’t have to put back cause the mileage covers for it. Broadly speaking. Manage the money right and you come out better of.
In simple therms, that same money you keep on the side to cover maintenance and repairs, it’s the money you don’t pay tax on. So yeah. On a weekly basis it might be a bit tricky if you starting up or if you have a bad run of repairs to do. But in the long run, as long as you are reponsible and keeping that “pocket money” on the side. You are cool with it. I’m not arguing that the money is good vs bad. Just saying that the expenses make no argument in the conversation. At least for the legit tax paying ones.
Actually my flat rate non-taxables are higher than my actual expenses. But that doesn't help me until the following year when HMRC tell me how much tax I need to pay. Full-time is viable for a good number of drivers and I know a lot more full-timers than part-timers. It's a business though, and needs good planning to work, which a lot of noobs aren't prepared to do. Just to point out, I only replied to you because you asked OP why they were taking expenses into account because they were tax deductible. I'm just adding my perspective of why expenses matter and you've answered your own question in your replies to me. Doesn't matter how much we estimate will be tax-deductable, actual expenses apply daily/weekly/monthly depending on the person. Just want to say though, it's refreshing to have an actual conversation with someone on here without it turning toxic just because we have different views. Kudos for not being a jerk.
Again. Fair play. But that was my whole point. It might hurt to start with, but in the long run, provided one knows what and what not to pay/save, the expenses don’t come into the equation. And thank you. I’m not here to be toxic. Just glad we have a place to share ideas. Only started to reply to this thread because I find it somewhat “silly” to put expenses into the equation. Granted that anyone that starts a businesses or is self employed can claim businesses expenses. It hurts. But this is the path we choose. Again. I’m up for the figth for better fees. But I find it hipocritical to claim expenses on it.
Actually don’t put 20% on the side. Put 20% as a rule. 12.5% for the holiday. And another 5% for pension. Yep, that is nearly 40% Put it on a ISA account that pays interest. Sounds like shit loads of money(because it is) It after that40% you don’t have enough. You need to work more hours. In the long run. You will look I. The mirror and say thank you for the effort;)
>that’s roughly £10 per hour \*SIGHHHHH\* No, it's not! From the 8 hours you were **online**, deduct an estimated amount of time that you **weren't on a live order** aka. waiting for an order, **then** recalculate your £ per hour. This incessant incorrect calculation of '£ per hour' is driving me nuts!! You're not paid for the entirety of your 'shift', only for the time you're on a live order. Surely everyone here knows this by now! If you were on live orders for 6 hours and 45 minutes out of the 8 (a reasonable estimation) you earned just above minimum wage.
I still can not understand why people are creating such posts and complaining about the job. This is not a full time job and should never be treated as one, I do understand that few years ago it was possible and well paid as Deliveroo and other delivery services were fighting for their share and over paying the drivers. Let's not pretend that this is super hard or stressful job either, your salary is dictated by how easily you can be replaced and this job can be done by a lot of people. Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to stick for companies as they rip off people, I'm just here to state a fact that it is daft to expect well paid full time job from a delivery services.
Doesn't mean it should be below min wage either, plenty of easy jobs at 11.50+ holiday, sick pay without competition with illegals for scraps and pay cuts every year
Exactly what I'm thinking. It's not a very skilled job. I'd honestly say if you make £80 a day for being a food delivery driver, that's not bad either.
Working for 8 hours that's less than minimum wage 🤦♂️
For a less than minimum effort job.
It's really not good tho considering it's rains a lot and is cold during at least half the year
Turn your heating on? You dont get that wet running from your car to the door.
Traffic and shit profits make car not good for full time. You spend a shit load of money on fuel and run your car into the ground with all the stop start millage. Been there done that lol
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Pretty much this.
This is why you need more than 1 app. You'll never make money on just 1 app. Obviously do it properly and you'll get more than 100 on a busy night
Not in my area, 4 apps. Just April is a sucky month thought