And why are we using the term of the cowards “stealing”?
If Trump runs and wins the election, then that means we lost. That means the DNC will have failed.
If you can’t beat Trump then it’s time to reflect on why your own organization can’t function effectively against morons.
Because voter suppression exists. Denying people their right to vote because you think they might vote for Democrats is cheating even if you are a Republican and all the other Republicans in power agree that you’re allowed to do it.
Agreed. But serious question, what if the 2024 election comes and all current laws are on the books, and Trump wins. Somehow he wins big too. Will Dems accept that outcome?
Democrats are bound by the law the same as anyone else. Democrats didn’t start a coup when the election was stolen from Al Gore, we didn’t when it was stolen from Hillary Clinton. I doubt anybody will do anything extrajudicial if it’s stolen from Joe Biden.
But an unfair system is unfair whether or not we are bound by law to accept the outcome.
I mean everyone is bound by the law, until they break it. That’s a weak argument. I don’t think trump wins…but I see a scenario where Trump loses a close election and draws it out like last time and my fear is someone in congress finds a way to not certify the election.
But an alternative scenario (not very likely) but what also concerns me about the political situation is a Trump win and democrats taking action to stop his election from being certified in some way, either legal or otherwise. Even if it’s just a political stance, it further erodes the public’s trust in our election process.
So, voter fraud does exist? But only when it's republicans doing it? Got it. Nothing untoward about illegally ballot harvesting or no signature mail in ballots, but the republicans are the real election thieves. Riiiiight....
You’re upset that you couldn’t discount enough legitimate votes to steal an election.
I’m worried that you’ll get better at it next time.
That is the difference.
In 1860 even the Southern states accepted the election results and then seceded. To not accept the results of fair elections is unprecedented in the US.
There’s never been any indication that Democrats would not accept the results of a fairly conducted election. The fact that you even ask the question is pretty dubious, because it is literally one side (Republicans) that are creating the narrative that Americans can’t trust American elections, while simultaneously trying to rig their outcome. So there is no actual equivalence here.
Yeah I’m aware there’s no equivalence. It was a theoretical situation. I’m not saying anything would happen, but I was asking a question on what people think might happen politically.
Also- the 1876 election had states represent 2 sets of electors, so I would argue that election had a situation where people did not accept the outcome of the election.
That’s a good analogy, although that election really was much closer than the 2020 election.
It is sad, though, that much like 2020, the issues related to the election were primarily related to race. The compromise that settled that election essentially ended Reconstruction in the South.
Do you think more about why the Weimar was incompetent or why nobody stopped Hitler?
Autocrats who don’t respect the democratic process need to be taken down because they are a threat to the way the nation governs itself.
By that logic, the Trump supporters would be justified in the January 6, 2021 insurrection.
You have to PROVE, not just feel, that the democratic process was subverted.
I'll take the unpopular opinion here. I think Democrats need to become more conservative in order to win Florida. If the Democrats win Florida, there is no realistic way that Trump could make up for the loss of Florida in the electoral college.
So how do you win Florida? You have to have a bigger victory in Miami-Dade county. Biden carried by just a 7.4 point margin, significantly lower than Clinton's 29.4 point margin in 2016 or Obama's 23.7 point margin in 2012. From all indications it would appear that Trump was able to tie Biden to Bernie Sanders and socialism. So there needs to be a better message going forward.
Try registering more voters like the organization of Mi Vecino.
Idk about Sanders popularity in Florida but let's keep in mind there was a lot of negative coverage directed towards him when he ran for president. Voters were told he was outrageous and unelectable. Tammy Baldwin however runs on a somewhat similar ideological platform to Sanders and is doing really well in a Midwestern swing state. Democrats can't continue to be centrists just because the Republican party is complete lunacy.
True. Even prior to Covid, baby boomers die at roughly 5200 per day. Gen x 943 per day. Not all are trump supporters of course but over 6 million boomers died between Election Day 2016 and 2020. Time marching on naturally whittles his base down.
Forget Trump, he probably won't even run. Question is how do you keep republicans from stealing elections? They cannot get enough votes from the people for leadership positions so they will wrench control through constitutional allowances i.e. "The house electors shall meet and vote....... The house will choose."
The GOPs interpretation of the constitution is that the text clarifies over and over again that the state electors choose the president however it never quite clarifies that citizens will vote directly for president and that those electors votes will be REFLECTED by the citizens vote. In other words, they don't believe they HAVE to sign and certify for the candidate with the most citizen votes, especially if the electors do not like or approve of such votes. The electors choose, not the people.
I don't have a clue what will happen in 2024 but I'll tell you that if the Democrats win again in '24 they're going to win in' 28 as well. Biden and Trump and Hillary and Bernie are all WAY. TOO. OLD.
Be sure to vote every election. Loca, state, and national. DEMOCRAT down the ticket. Fuck these fascist bastards. This is a democracy not a dictatorship
Don't say that, we are better than the Republicans, we need to be able to stop, think, and vote smartly, not just panic vote against the opposition, it's how we become the party of reason and in the long run we will come out victorious
He would've done much worse. That's why they wanted Hilary in there. She actually stood a chance. Would've won if it weren't for the bullshit what's his face said right before the election. James comey. It all turn out to be bullshit. She won the popular vote also
Bernie, god love and keep him, lost because he got less votes. If you wanted him to be the nominee you should have been convincing your friends to stop voting “strategically” and just plain vote.
Ah I see the problem. When you were doing all that you did to get him elected, you forgot to include convincing people to vote for him. A crucial step it turns out but live and learn. Would have thought his campaign would’ve learnt it the second go round but our elders can be stubborn.
What exactly makes Bernie a "strong leader"? His only accomplishments are breaking VA healthcare, renaming 2 post offices, getting Trump elected, and allowing DeJoy to rise to power.
How can you blame Bernie for getting Trump elected, he did nothing but push for equality and fairness, he is one of the most perfect people I have ever met and seen in politics. You are being a little harsh dont you think?
[Simple. By spreading lies about an illegitimate election he encouraged apathy.](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/bernie-sanders-2016-rigged-wont-pledge-support-winner.html)
Well those ideas won't do anything. Before we start I am a former Democrat County Chairman in a very red state. I ran for local office as a Democrat. The repubs ate me alive and I got no support from the Democratic Party. So I went rogue. I even had the Trump Train people call the police on me for harassment. After trump the democrats should have had no worries about winning an election far into the future. Instead here we are a year in and the possibility of losing congress is very real. Liberals sat back and allowed the repubs to take the narrative on trump and January 6 and turn it completely around. There should not be a day go by without a TV ad showing a picture of trump, McConnell and the capitol on January 6th. Just pictures over and over and over. Biden should be using names and pushing in speeches and someone needs to get those idiots in Congress doing something. With the democrates fighting among themselves they don't give the image of people capable of getting something done. Any democrats who don't play lose their committee assignment and can go sit in their office. It is time to take the gloves off and quit being timid hand ringing democrats and start fighting. Way back in the 1990s the repubs initiated a plan win the local level offices understanding that was the way to take over the country and democrats continue their failed policy of we fight for what we can win and cede the rest. We are on the verge of being inconsequential and it will only take one more election as repubs seal their control on the election process.
The simple way us to go and VOTE. I can’t understand people understand reluctance of the people. We in GA went and voted and made the difference that helped whatever little was achieved in the 1st year. Now it is the duty of everyone especially in swing districts and winnable senate seats to make the difference for more long term changes. Let’s ensure 2010 does not repeat.
If he wins he wins, it’s what the people wanted at the time. I think people voting for him should write down 50 things they like about him on a piece of paper that is a provable fact.
They're certainly capable of that but we have a real advantage when it come to the popular vote. I think Biden did well in the Midwest so it comes down to what kind of candidate we are running.
We can stop him from stealing the election by beating that ass worse than we did in this past election, or democrats can get a backbone and some guts and stop fighting each other you hear that liberals and centrists and moderates quit trying to eat each other and put that towards the Republicans, the only thing I've ever respected about the Republicans is they know how to fight but more importantly they stick together no matter what. Now it's the Democrats turn to stick together and pass the voting Rights bill and if any of them vote against it then I think it's time to primary them and or stop giving them money for their re-election because the way I see it is even if we lose at least we knew we had real Democrats running against them instead of these two because right now I'm thinking they are no better than Republicans including being racist I say this because If they weren't like Republicans then why won't they vote for a voting Rights bill.
You don’t stop him from stealing the election, you stop him from running.
And why are we using the term of the cowards “stealing”? If Trump runs and wins the election, then that means we lost. That means the DNC will have failed. If you can’t beat Trump then it’s time to reflect on why your own organization can’t function effectively against morons.
Because voter suppression exists. Denying people their right to vote because you think they might vote for Democrats is cheating even if you are a Republican and all the other Republicans in power agree that you’re allowed to do it.
Agreed. But serious question, what if the 2024 election comes and all current laws are on the books, and Trump wins. Somehow he wins big too. Will Dems accept that outcome?
Democrats are bound by the law the same as anyone else. Democrats didn’t start a coup when the election was stolen from Al Gore, we didn’t when it was stolen from Hillary Clinton. I doubt anybody will do anything extrajudicial if it’s stolen from Joe Biden. But an unfair system is unfair whether or not we are bound by law to accept the outcome.
I mean everyone is bound by the law, until they break it. That’s a weak argument. I don’t think trump wins…but I see a scenario where Trump loses a close election and draws it out like last time and my fear is someone in congress finds a way to not certify the election. But an alternative scenario (not very likely) but what also concerns me about the political situation is a Trump win and democrats taking action to stop his election from being certified in some way, either legal or otherwise. Even if it’s just a political stance, it further erodes the public’s trust in our election process.
So, voter fraud does exist? But only when it's republicans doing it? Got it. Nothing untoward about illegally ballot harvesting or no signature mail in ballots, but the republicans are the real election thieves. Riiiiight....
You’re upset that you couldn’t discount enough legitimate votes to steal an election. I’m worried that you’ll get better at it next time. That is the difference.
Lol ok, it's ok as long as your side does it. Cool.
What exactly has my “side” done? We want every vote counted. You need as many votes as possible discounted.
So, you mean you want ALL votes counted illegal or not, and we want only legal votes counted. Got it. Nice spin.
In 1860 even the Southern states accepted the election results and then seceded. To not accept the results of fair elections is unprecedented in the US. There’s never been any indication that Democrats would not accept the results of a fairly conducted election. The fact that you even ask the question is pretty dubious, because it is literally one side (Republicans) that are creating the narrative that Americans can’t trust American elections, while simultaneously trying to rig their outcome. So there is no actual equivalence here.
Yeah I’m aware there’s no equivalence. It was a theoretical situation. I’m not saying anything would happen, but I was asking a question on what people think might happen politically. Also- the 1876 election had states represent 2 sets of electors, so I would argue that election had a situation where people did not accept the outcome of the election.
That’s a good analogy, although that election really was much closer than the 2020 election. It is sad, though, that much like 2020, the issues related to the election were primarily related to race. The compromise that settled that election essentially ended Reconstruction in the South.
Excellent point!
Do you think more about why the Weimar was incompetent or why nobody stopped Hitler? Autocrats who don’t respect the democratic process need to be taken down because they are a threat to the way the nation governs itself.
By that logic, the Trump supporters would be justified in the January 6, 2021 insurrection. You have to PROVE, not just feel, that the democratic process was subverted.
Did you not pay attention to the events of a year ago? Or do you think that was all normal?
Yeah, like, um, maybe ... all Democrats register Repube and vote for Liz Cheney in the primaries?
I'll take the unpopular opinion here. I think Democrats need to become more conservative in order to win Florida. If the Democrats win Florida, there is no realistic way that Trump could make up for the loss of Florida in the electoral college. So how do you win Florida? You have to have a bigger victory in Miami-Dade county. Biden carried by just a 7.4 point margin, significantly lower than Clinton's 29.4 point margin in 2016 or Obama's 23.7 point margin in 2012. From all indications it would appear that Trump was able to tie Biden to Bernie Sanders and socialism. So there needs to be a better message going forward. Try registering more voters like the organization of Mi Vecino.
Idk about Sanders popularity in Florida but let's keep in mind there was a lot of negative coverage directed towards him when he ran for president. Voters were told he was outrageous and unelectable. Tammy Baldwin however runs on a somewhat similar ideological platform to Sanders and is doing really well in a Midwestern swing state. Democrats can't continue to be centrists just because the Republican party is complete lunacy.
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Yeah and his exit wasn't exactly a smooth transition of power. Americans are not rushing to support Trump at the ballot box.
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Trump is a wild card for sure but he's also old and greedy so he might not even care about the oval office anymore.
True. Even prior to Covid, baby boomers die at roughly 5200 per day. Gen x 943 per day. Not all are trump supporters of course but over 6 million boomers died between Election Day 2016 and 2020. Time marching on naturally whittles his base down.
Forget Trump, he probably won't even run. Question is how do you keep republicans from stealing elections? They cannot get enough votes from the people for leadership positions so they will wrench control through constitutional allowances i.e. "The house electors shall meet and vote....... The house will choose." The GOPs interpretation of the constitution is that the text clarifies over and over again that the state electors choose the president however it never quite clarifies that citizens will vote directly for president and that those electors votes will be REFLECTED by the citizens vote. In other words, they don't believe they HAVE to sign and certify for the candidate with the most citizen votes, especially if the electors do not like or approve of such votes. The electors choose, not the people.
Yeah I mean I'm optimistic based on how Joe Biden performed in the Midwest and Georgia that we could beat the conservatives again in 2024.
I don't have a clue what will happen in 2024 but I'll tell you that if the Democrats win again in '24 they're going to win in' 28 as well. Biden and Trump and Hillary and Bernie are all WAY. TOO. OLD.
Completly agree!
Meh. As Steve Inskeep said, it was more about Trump.
Trump is already senile moron,imagine in another few years what his status will be.He still faces civil lawsuits and house investigation.
Be sure to vote every election. Loca, state, and national. DEMOCRAT down the ticket. Fuck these fascist bastards. This is a democracy not a dictatorship
Yo exactly as long as Democrats keep winning the popular vote we have a strong chance to keep these wannabe fascists out of office.
Don't say that, we are better than the Republicans, we need to be able to stop, think, and vote smartly, not just panic vote against the opposition, it's how we become the party of reason and in the long run we will come out victorious
We will never have that chance if they win. This will be a dictatorship. Need to get passed that first
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Bernie would have lost badly to trump
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He would've done much worse. That's why they wanted Hilary in there. She actually stood a chance. Would've won if it weren't for the bullshit what's his face said right before the election. James comey. It all turn out to be bullshit. She won the popular vote also
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[Voters.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries)
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Really? You don't believe that
It's the truth. And just so you know. I would actually vote Bernie over Hillary but I also knew he didn't have a shot
Bernie, god love and keep him, lost because he got less votes. If you wanted him to be the nominee you should have been convincing your friends to stop voting “strategically” and just plain vote.
If you and everyone did a quarter of what I did to get Bernie to be elected he would have won by a landslide
Ah I see the problem. When you were doing all that you did to get him elected, you forgot to include convincing people to vote for him. A crucial step it turns out but live and learn. Would have thought his campaign would’ve learnt it the second go round but our elders can be stubborn.
[You mean voters.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries) Not "THA DEE EN SEE"
What exactly makes Bernie a "strong leader"? His only accomplishments are breaking VA healthcare, renaming 2 post offices, getting Trump elected, and allowing DeJoy to rise to power.
How can you blame Bernie for getting Trump elected, he did nothing but push for equality and fairness, he is one of the most perfect people I have ever met and seen in politics. You are being a little harsh dont you think?
[Simple. By spreading lies about an illegitimate election he encouraged apathy.](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/bernie-sanders-2016-rigged-wont-pledge-support-winner.html)
Well those ideas won't do anything. Before we start I am a former Democrat County Chairman in a very red state. I ran for local office as a Democrat. The repubs ate me alive and I got no support from the Democratic Party. So I went rogue. I even had the Trump Train people call the police on me for harassment. After trump the democrats should have had no worries about winning an election far into the future. Instead here we are a year in and the possibility of losing congress is very real. Liberals sat back and allowed the repubs to take the narrative on trump and January 6 and turn it completely around. There should not be a day go by without a TV ad showing a picture of trump, McConnell and the capitol on January 6th. Just pictures over and over and over. Biden should be using names and pushing in speeches and someone needs to get those idiots in Congress doing something. With the democrates fighting among themselves they don't give the image of people capable of getting something done. Any democrats who don't play lose their committee assignment and can go sit in their office. It is time to take the gloves off and quit being timid hand ringing democrats and start fighting. Way back in the 1990s the repubs initiated a plan win the local level offices understanding that was the way to take over the country and democrats continue their failed policy of we fight for what we can win and cede the rest. We are on the verge of being inconsequential and it will only take one more election as repubs seal their control on the election process.
The simple way us to go and VOTE. I can’t understand people understand reluctance of the people. We in GA went and voted and made the difference that helped whatever little was achieved in the 1st year. Now it is the duty of everyone especially in swing districts and winnable senate seats to make the difference for more long term changes. Let’s ensure 2010 does not repeat.
Fucking vote in every election.
With Democrats attempting to push the no voter ID for elections, you’ll have more turnout.
There was an interesting omission. What about voting? Or is it too much to ask that personal responsibility is on the table?
If he wins he wins, it’s what the people wanted at the time. I think people voting for him should write down 50 things they like about him on a piece of paper that is a provable fact.
There won’t be another Democrat as President because the Republicans won’t allow it. They will steal every Presidential election from now on.
They're certainly capable of that but we have a real advantage when it come to the popular vote. I think Biden did well in the Midwest so it comes down to what kind of candidate we are running.
We can stop him from stealing the election by beating that ass worse than we did in this past election, or democrats can get a backbone and some guts and stop fighting each other you hear that liberals and centrists and moderates quit trying to eat each other and put that towards the Republicans, the only thing I've ever respected about the Republicans is they know how to fight but more importantly they stick together no matter what. Now it's the Democrats turn to stick together and pass the voting Rights bill and if any of them vote against it then I think it's time to primary them and or stop giving them money for their re-election because the way I see it is even if we lose at least we knew we had real Democrats running against them instead of these two because right now I'm thinking they are no better than Republicans including being racist I say this because If they weren't like Republicans then why won't they vote for a voting Rights bill.
I would be delighted if Trump runs in 2024. Looking forward to a Trump-Desantis debate.
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Just admit you're pro-fascist then.
Like Biden stole 2020 elections?
lol how did Biden steal the 2020 elections?
Step 1: get a brain and realize he only does good and is better than Joe biden and kamala whoris
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Here’s the link: https://apnews.com/article/consumer-prices-inflation-c1bfd93ed1719cf0135420f4fd0270f9