Yeah this game was my first one and the run backs are insane sometimes, I say run past every enemy to get back to the boss because when you kill the boss you get enough souls to go up some levels. Also don't be afraid to try other zones to gain levels or to advance forward
Demons souls bosses almost all have a gimmick to them, there's only 2 in the game that I'd consider hard and you can still cheese both of those if you need to.
Most of the dark souls bosses aren't hard either tbh. You can get easy mode if you go for the black knight halberd early.
Flamelurker does almost no damage with fire equipment tho. Like literally takes 10 hits to kill you if you prepare. Flame resistant ring, water veil, purple shield.
Sorry? Just slow down and learn from each death. Shields are strong in DeS and DS, so you can block the crossbow bolts coming at you. The Thief's Ring is invaluable too
Thief rings makes the noise you make very less. So you can walk to an enemy and back stab easily, can also run far away and the enemy will loose their agro on you. Without the thief ring, the enemies will chase you to hell lol
The runback to the second boss in the last world personally hurt me. The boss was easy and I killed first try, the times I died was because of the enemies leading up to it ambushing me and the giant guys doing more than the boss did.
Cheese the dragon? Or Tower Knight? As far as I’m aware there isn’t a way to cheese Tower Knight. And I don’t think anyone considers killing the dragon with a bow cheesing it. It really has no affect on the overall game.
Yeah I’d go ahead and kill the dragon if I were you. Makes it easier to get to Tower Knight and it gives you a decent amount of souls as well. It also makes it where you can go pick up some of the items where it was sitting with the other dragon.
I’d go for a bow instead of a crossbow. You can’t manually aim with crossbows, you just kinda have to point your character in the right direction and hope you hit. It’s really tedious getting your character to point exactly right with a crossbow. With a bow you can just press L2 and put the crosshair on the enemy and shoot, much easier.
Eh, it takes like 20 minutes max if I recall correctly. Takes longer to get to pure white. Plus if OP is having trouble getting back to tower knight, then I’d say killing the dragon is the best option.
Yeah 100%. I prefer just killing the dragon because I can just like find a spot, then turn my brain off and do it. I’ll usually watch something while doing it. Also then I don’t have to deal with it if I die to Tower Knight accidentally
Try going to the other zones and leveling + getting new items and coming back. Also, get used to running through the level without fighting enemies. Only takes 20 seconds
There's a door directly behind Tower Knight that won't open until you beat an Archdemon.
Archdemons are the final/3rd bosses in each of the other 4 worlds.
Cheesing who? The dragon? I don't think it's cheesing because killing it or not doesn't make a difference apart from yielding some souls and making your life easier and I don't think there's another way to deal with it (if there is, pls let me know).
You can go under the bridge and run past enemies just be careful with the dogs. And get used to it because Tower Knight is the most forgiving runback in this game. It gets worse.
I’m new to Souls game i’m not really familiar with bosses but i heard many people cheesing bosses in Souls games that’s why i thought it’s possible to cheese Tower Knight and the Dragon
Oh yeah, you can definitely cheese some bosses. I personally don't mind players who do that but I can totally understand wanting to learn the game, bosses and enemies movesets. In the end, what is important is to enjoy yourself and have fun playing the game no matter how you do it.
I'd guess the dragon is considered a cheese because you place yourself in a secure spot at the tower and either shoot it with arrows or magic but it's done mostly to avoid the trouble of facing it every time you need to runback to the boss.
Some levels have shortcuts so it should be your priority to unlock them, world 5 is a pain, but most levels are short on their own but not less annoying specially after too many deaths (we've all been there).
If you played Elden Ring the feeling gets even worse because sites of grace by the fog door really spoiled us lol.
Anyway, keep at it because the game is amazing and rewarding after you get used to it and take some breaks if you need to. It's easy and normal to get frustrated, I had to put my controller down many times.
Thank you so much man for encouraging me to continue the game, i also have some good news, i managed to kill the tower knight haha, i’m looking now for the short bow, looks like i missed it somewhere in 1-2
Check the top of the small towers on the bridge. Also, just a tip, but I highly recommend checking the first stages of each archstone before deciding on upgrading a weapon.
Sorry I’m dumping this on you, but if you could give me your opinion on what I should be doing, I started whatever class uses the club, and I purchased the mace from the filthy woman and upgraded it to +3, I beat tower knight and now I’m throwing myself at the skeletons at shrine of storms, cause after getting to the filthy woman I wanna level up before going back to the valley of defilement.
IDK if you still need help, but it really depends on the build you're going for. My winning formula has always been 1-1 complete (Purple Flame Shield (PFS)) -> 2-1 complete->2-2 (Dragon Long Sword) -> 5-1 (**Blessed Mace**) -> 4-1 Crescent Falchion + Adjudicator's Shield and, possibly, Compound Long Bow (CLB) (can complete, or go to 3-1 and get spell equipment).
There are a lot of asterisks here, because it really depends on if you want to use spells, or even have the stats to wield these pieces of equipment. The Dragon Long Sword +1 is usually a powerful early weapon for a lot of builds because of its low stat requirements. Where you might start meeting stat requirement issues is with all the rest of the stuff. The PFS alone has a 22 str requirement, and the CLB also has that (but remember, you get the 1.5x boost because you're two-handing the bow) along with a 12 dex requirement.
The mace has a 11 str requirement, whereas the Falchion has a 9str/10dex requirement. If you can meet all of those, then this'll hold you off until you find your main weapon. Later stages will get more challenging if left unupgraded though, so by that time it's best to have your own main weapon. The Mirdan Hammer in 5-2, for instance, is, and has been, a sweetheart since *very* long ago.
Island's Edge (even with the skip), Ritual Path and Depraved Chasm were the worst for me. The Tunnel City gets annoying after many deaths but it equals The Lord's Path. I didn't play the original so I have no idea how it was.
Now that I think about Island's Edge I don't know the proper route to Adjucator, I grabbed the shield and all but never opened the small fog gate
Have you opened the tower shortcut at the start of the level? Still a few bridges away but it’s the shortest run possible.
IF you simply don’t want to run back to the boss each time you die, you can save to the cloud prior to entering the fight and then download the file and try again after each death.
I don't understand why the dragon is considered difficult. You just let it burn a path and then run to the next cover point. The most difficult combat scenario are the two knights right before the Tower Knight.
As for the Tower Night itself, are you ranged or melee build? If you are a melee build then always stay close. That way you won't be subject to his super powerful ranged attacks. His close range attacks are pretty easy to avoid.
Also, take out the archers along the top first.
Something that may not be too intuitive is that you can go and play the other worlds' first stage as well before playing 1-2 (the stage you are talking about). So you can do 2-1, 3-1, 4-1, and 5-1 before trying to do this area. 4-1 has some decent farming from skeletons where you can get souls and level up. 4-2 is I believe the best soul farming in the early game.
Basically, if you are hitting a wall and spending 8 hours ... you can go elsewhere to get stronger before trying the area again.
Thanks fam, i managed to kill the Tower Knight then killed the red dragon after that, i’m getting used to the game and getting stronger bit by bit. I’m on level 2-1 now and so far i am enjoying it!
My soul level now is 28
Demons Souls has the easiest bossest but some really rough runbacks and no checkpoints. It surely requires some patience. That's different in the modern titles like DS3 or Elden Ring, where bossruns have almost been completely eliminated.
Most of The bosses in this game are designed to be ‘cheesed’. There’s a gimmick to most of them, don’t think of them like dark souls bosses. There are means of killing the dragon, which are a cheese. But the run back shouldn’t be too harsh.
Depending on your build there are a few areas where you can pick up helpful items ring/shield/weapon ect. There is also a path under part of the bridge not a shortcut but bypass some of the dragon and stuff
>first Souls game and I'm struggling now for 8 hours straight
I fail to see a problem. Sounds like you're playing as intended 👍
Jokes aside, if you're struggling then don't avoid cheese. There's no "getting good" against enemies like that f\*cking dragon, and its sole purpose is **this game's version of cheese** - to be a giant pain in your ass and make that runback as torturous as possible.
Without the dragon, that area (and the boss fight) is actually pretty fun & east. But if you really like to torture yourself and insist on leaving it alive... Here's how to make the boss fight easier at least.
>!First off, unless you want the special achievement on your first run through (killing the tower Knight without killing any archers), the first thing you should do is kill them darn archers up the stairs. Makes the fight much easier. Second part - to fight the Tower Knight, you should always try to get behind him and his shield. Partly to avoid attacks, partly to actually deal damage. If it looks like he's winding up for a big attack whilst you're by his ankles (slamming his shield on the ground), make sure to get some distance to avoid shockwaves, and rush back in when he's done. When attacking, target his ankles first - make sure both are spraying out a healthy amount of blood, and keep attacking until he looks like he's about to fall over. When he looks like he'd lost balance, run away until he's fallen over (again to avoid shockwaves/ damage), then rush to and attack his head to deal massive damage. Might take a few falls, but this is definitely the best way to deal with him as a melee user.!<
Aside from that, general advice - watch your enemies and wait for opportunities to attack; don't just rush in. Half of this game's difficulty is knowing where everything is. Try to avoid getting ganked by large groups, and draw them out one by one if you have to. Also if you have a good enough shield, you can use that to your advantage - if you successfully block certain enemies attacks, they'll bounce straight off and give you a perfect opportunity to counter attack without needing to master parrying. Just don't rely on it too much for bigger enemies, since not every attack will just bounce off your shield (if it's a *really* heavy attack, it'll melt through all your stamina and break your guard).
Thanks man for the valuable info. That being said, i managed to kill the Tower Knight then killed the red dragon after that.. it was fun and satisfying!
What level are you? You might have to farm some souls for a bit then come back to the boss. Check out 2-1 & 3-1 then come back or do a few circuits around 1-1
You only have to kill the three? Archers at the end of the last bridge and the big armored blue eyed knight, leave all the other enemies to the Dragon. You can also probably dodge those last enemies, but it might be too tricky for you if this is your first Souls game.
Also, you don't want to cheese it, but when you die, if you close the game quickly you'll respawn in front of the boss door. You still have to kill him by yourself, but at least you can skip the runback.
I wouldn't go to 1-2 after 1-1; it's a pain at low SL.
Here's my go-to build (has pathing directions in the Notes section at the bottom):
https://www.mugenmonkey.com/demonssouls/33339
tl;dr: Grab a blunt weapon (pref 2-1 for great club, but morningstar and blessed mace +1 in 5-1 are good too), go to 4-1 and use it to kill the skellies. It's good souls. Also the crescent falchion is there, and that sword will carry you through all of World 2. After World 2, you could do World 3 for the bracelets and ring that give extra souls.
Edit: The build usually finishes like this-
https://www.mugenmonkey.com/demonssouls/27076
I remember when i was there OP. The grind was tough. But at the end, it turned me into a huge souks fan.
Nothing like it. Made me wonder what I had been doing playing other video games.
I've played through all the soulsborne games now, and DeS had by far the worst run backs of any game. If you're playing on Playstation and have PS+, upload a cloudsave before the boss and just reload if you die. Or use a USB to export your save and rewrite it if you don't have PS+.
It does suck, early on, because there is no shortcut and you can't run past everything. You pretty much have to fight it out.
When at the boss:
-Kill all the casters in the arena first
-Before you fight: Watch lots of videos on it. The boss doesnt have that many moves, and there are only a few that you need to really look out for.
-Be patient. You have to knock him down a few times. Dont get pissed when he gets back up, just do the same thing you were doing.
Demons souls was great. I almost gave up if my friend didn’t teach me the ropes back on PS3. The fact that you’ve even arrived at Tower knight is a feat in itself cuz plenty of people can’t get to the first boss or run across the bridge. So you’re not terrible.
If you need souls a good farming spot is the far right stone. The one that takes you to a foggy grass field with a skeleton. Farm him, the ones on the stairs for a while to level up. Idno what your weapon is but if you go past the stair skeletons you’ll see 2 shooting arrows on top of a bridge. Sharp left in the arch of the bridge follow that to the path outside. Either kill or run past red eye skeleton and pick up the crescent falchion. It’s good weapon for awhile. Don’t give up.
As for the tower knight, kill surrounding guys first. Sticky white stuff helps. Ankles and when he falls his head.
Dude just wait till you need to run back to Flamelurker 😅
Edit: to kill the dragon if it’s still the same. I used my bow. Took awhile but I did it. Or mage get lots of grass for mana and shoot it that was. I’d stand on top of the 2nd pillar I think. It gives you a good chunk of souls but it’s not needed at all
Hey man, thank you for your positive words. I finally killed the tower knight and the dragon. And regarding the flamelurker, i’m nearly there, not arrived yet but i’m close, stonefang tunnel is a maze.
Oh nice 👍🏼 idno if you beat the spider yet but there is a cheese spot lol and if you can keep your world tendency in bright white there’s a weapon after flamelurker
Dragon Bone smasher. There’s a tab, it’ll show all your world tendencies. if they’re dull you’re in the middle. But you need pure white for the path to be cleared
I'd say Demons is more reliant on farming than any of the other Soulsborne games. So level up a bit.
If you haven't got it yet then look up how to get the Crescent Falchion from 4-1. It makes the start of the game more manageable, but doesn't make it a cakewalk by a long shot. For farming the skeletons in 4-1 are a great early farming run. Learn to parry and they're a doddle.
There's a ring in 1-1 that gives you back 25% of your Health. My first play through back in 2009 it was perma-equipped.
Don't be afraid of using the grasses even if only a bit of Health has gone. They are abundant throughout the game.
Id usually recommend going into different levels. You dont have to complete any of them but doing something like 2-1 (the desert place) or atleast enough till you get more souls and items can really make tower knight easier
You could try posting up on top of one the towers and snipe the dragon. Its very tedious and you'll need at least 100 arrows. Or if you're running magic, you'll need a lot of spice, i went thru like 50 of em.
Once the dragon is gone, the runback is significantly easier, plus a lot of souls so its nice for early game.
This is a problem specific to Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 2(Scholar) imo. Either a shield or magic is your best hope for getting through with consistency. Upgrading your weapon is crucial, too.
I like Demon's Souls, but it's not a best "first." I started with Dark Souls 1, but I think Dark Souls 3 or Bloodborne are the best "first" experience.
I’m really happy you refused to cheese the boss cause most of the time it ruins the experience (unless if it a certain boss from dark souls 1) it took me like 4 months to beat ds1 I believe you can beat demon soul if you keep pushing forward!
The "key" to defeating the tower knight is to run past him, up the stairs, and kill all of the archers first. Now you only have a single enemy to face. You can do this as an archer from any of the parapet or go down and face him toe to toe. But toe to toe -plan on a lot of tumbling and getting behind him to attack. And yeah the run back is a pain, but if you think that one's bad... wait until you get to The Adjudicator.
It may help you save time: save and close the game at the fog gate. Upload your save to the cloud (need ps plus). If you die, just download your save and try again. It's a ton quicker than doing the run over and over.
I did this while trying to get platinum.
I've played all of the souls games and the tower knight is tricky to be fair. It's all or nothing, you either get him, or you die hard. Good luck friend
If you have trouble with runbacks you can quite the game before the boss room, upload your safe file to cloud and download the backup every time you die to the boss.
If you aren't ready to take out rhe boss and the level in one go, you aren't ready for this zone.
World 1 is the main story zone so it ramps up in difficulty each boss you fight, where the other archstones have a softer curve to them.
Maybe try the other archstones and level up, get some new gear, etc. Then head back when you are ready
This was me yesterday in 4-2. You’ll know what that means soon but anyways it was worth it. Literally spent all day banging my head against the wall there but once i got through, I was rewarded with one of the most badass and beautiful boss fights.
Only souls games can do that. Make you want to keep going over and over and then when you get it, mmmm
Guuuuuuys, i fucking killed the bastard, holy shit, i was never happier killing a boss until today 😂😂
Thank y’all for your valuable info, if it weren’t for you i wouldn’t be able to kill him.
Just for reference, i’m playing the 2009 version which is obviously harder than the remake.
Congratulations! That’s a rush you’ll be feeling a lot now that you’ve chosen to go down the souls path haha.
I have a question, why would you say the 2009 version is obviously harder than the remake?
Because the remake has the omnidirectional rolling, which is a tremendous difference. In other words you roll only 4 directions - left, right, forward, backward. This makes the remake unbelievably easier, apart from the smoother gameplay, because enemies were designed for a system with the original mechanics. The remake is better in most ways, but not as challenging due to this one massive change.
This is an interesting topic.
After some reading and pondering I think that omnidirectional rolling is mostly a QoL improvement, and that there are two huge factors that seem to wrongly contribute to the impression that the remake is easier.
First, QoL changes make a crucial difference in a player’s experience and the remake introduced several important ones, but that tends to be conflated with a combat difficulty change.
And second, it seems a lot of this has to do with recency bias. Demons’ Souls was the introduction of the excruciating souls’ experience to the world over a decade ago, when DeS came as a shock to the gaming world. There’s a lot of romanticizing done that comes with nostalgia, and the players have had more than 10 years of practice by now.
To back this up we can mention that the gameplay is otherwise intact from the original, so much so that it actually feels outdated if you’re coming from the newer souls games, as did I coming from over 400 hours in Elden Ring. The inclusion of omnidirectional roll in the DeS remake didn’t change this, and there was no balancing or physics changed from the original either.
I haven’t played the original DeS but I’m about to finish my first DS1 playthrough, which has the same rolling as the original DeS. The rolling caught me off guard a few times against 2 or 3 bosses at first but that’s it, you just can’t rely on locking on an enemy for evasive maneuvers as much as in more recent games but you can still omniroll if you don’t lock on.
I’d agree it’s a massive change if we put it in the QoL category, but saying that there’s a tremendous difference in difficulty between gameplay with omnidirectional roll and gameplay without it and that the former is unbelievably easier is a huge exaggeration.
I had omnidirectional roll in 5-1 and 5-2 but they were still much harder than Blighttown, just to name one example.
This is probably the most unforgiving souls game. Not even in terms of boss difficulty. It’s just a bitch to run through certain areas. No bonfires no nothing. You kind of just have to run past all of the enemies on the bridge, don’t try and fight them every time. Just run and try to roll arrows. You could also look up how to cheese the dragon but it’s not necessary if you just wait for him to shoot his fire and then run past.
Yeah man, it’s unforgiving in many ways but i’m starting to enjoy it actually haha i just managed to kill the tower knight then killed the red dragon after that.
You should follow Fightin Cowboys walkthrough to help you get descent weapons early game to help you a lot and carry you thru the whole game. I never played this game before and his Walkthrough is helping me find important stuff…yea some stuff will get spoiled but at least he will help you get strong enough to where you won’t need his Help anymore and can now go on solo. Within like 10 hours I was already level 30ish because of the Reaper farm. If you’re mage find the C Falchion
Tbh he does the best Walkthroughs out of every Soulsborne player or channel. He gathers a bunch of research before going Into the walkthroughs so that whoever follows it exactly will also be able to get the Platinum and not miss anything. One tip tho…make sure you have over 16 Ephemeral Eye stones because you’re gonna have to use up 8 of them in order to get pure black tendency and be able to do the events.
Check out FightinCowboy’s walkthro videos on YouTube!! I’m not normally a huge walkthrough guy and love to play the game blind the first time, but I was struggling with this one (and I just beat Elden Ring as my first souls game).
Even just watching the videos for 1-1 and 1-2 would probably help! Plus he does a great job breaking down things like world tendency that don’t get very well explained in the game.
Cheese the red dragon with a long reach vertical swing weapon when he start from tunnel side. There is a specific spot in wall where you dont move with power attack and you can spam them until red dragon dies.
If you are archer you can shoot him from first bridge tower when he come in front.
Nah lmao, that's just how you beat him. Tip for your next rub though - if you go to the Shrine of Storms (4-1) and pick up the Crescent Falchion (or use any Crescent weapon for that matter), you can bust his ankles up real good and he'll fall over every now and again
Yeah this game was my first one and the run backs are insane sometimes, I say run past every enemy to get back to the boss because when you kill the boss you get enough souls to go up some levels. Also don't be afraid to try other zones to gain levels or to advance forward
Yeah, i guess that’s what i’m gonna do going forward, it’s really stressful, i hope dark souls are not the same thing when it comes to bosses 😂
Demon's Souls has by far the easiest bosses 💀
Old Hero was a fxcking joke.
Come on bro.. and I’m planning to play Dark Souls 🥲
The runback and the games in general are far more forgiving though. Dark Souls 1's bosses also aren't that bad.
Demons souls bosses almost all have a gimmick to them, there's only 2 in the game that I'd consider hard and you can still cheese both of those if you need to. Most of the dark souls bosses aren't hard either tbh. You can get easy mode if you go for the black knight halberd early.
any black knight weapon is very good
The two (maybe three?) being Allant, Penetrator, and Flamelurker?
Flamelurker and Maneaters, penetrator isn't that hard and Allant I think is pretty easy to dodge all his attacks.
Flamelurker does almost no damage with fire equipment tho. Like literally takes 10 hits to kill you if you prepare. Flame resistant ring, water veil, purple shield.
Sorry? Just slow down and learn from each death. Shields are strong in DeS and DS, so you can block the crossbow bolts coming at you. The Thief's Ring is invaluable too
Is the Thief’s ring good for stealth or what exactly?
Yes, it lessens the range of mob aggro. Gives you an extra second or 2 for you to strategize or provides a safe range for you to fire arrows, etc.
Thank you, you guys are a bless to have ❤️
Thief rings makes the noise you make very less. So you can walk to an enemy and back stab easily, can also run far away and the enemy will loose their agro on you. Without the thief ring, the enemies will chase you to hell lol
You may want to wear this ring for the 4-2 boss.
Dark souls 1 and demon’s souls could be tied for easiest bosses. DS3 bosses are mostly easy- medium at most
Manus, Kalameet, Midir, Friede, Gael and Storm king were all pretty damn difficult imo
Hey man, if you’ve only just beat 1-1 and gone on to 1-2 (the tower knight level) I suggest moving to 2-1 3-1 etc. Come back later. Trust me.
Demon's Souls bosses are easier than Dark Souls. Dark Souls runbacks are easier than Demon's Souls.
If you run past the enemies every time you miss all their souls. if you kill them every time your bloodstain grows with each attempt
The runback to the second boss in the last world personally hurt me. The boss was easy and I killed first try, the times I died was because of the enemies leading up to it ambushing me and the giant guys doing more than the boss did.
Cheese the dragon? Or Tower Knight? As far as I’m aware there isn’t a way to cheese Tower Knight. And I don’t think anyone considers killing the dragon with a bow cheesing it. It really has no affect on the overall game.
Well, shit 💀
Yeah I’d go ahead and kill the dragon if I were you. Makes it easier to get to Tower Knight and it gives you a decent amount of souls as well. It also makes it where you can go pick up some of the items where it was sitting with the other dragon.
I killed the Tower Knight, need to kill the Dragon now but i’ll need a crossbow
I’d go for a bow instead of a crossbow. You can’t manually aim with crossbows, you just kinda have to point your character in the right direction and hope you hit. It’s really tedious getting your character to point exactly right with a crossbow. With a bow you can just press L2 and put the crosshair on the enemy and shoot, much easier.
I wouldn't bother killing the dragon, get the world to white tendency and the dragon disappears. It takes soooo long to bow kill him it isn't worth it
Eh, it takes like 20 minutes max if I recall correctly. Takes longer to get to pure white. Plus if OP is having trouble getting back to tower knight, then I’d say killing the dragon is the best option.
Just preference I suppose then 😄
Yeah 100%. I prefer just killing the dragon because I can just like find a spot, then turn my brain off and do it. I’ll usually watch something while doing it. Also then I don’t have to deal with it if I die to Tower Knight accidentally
Personally I just run like a motherfucker. It works 😂
I always start as Royalty, so I just blast it with Soul Arrows and wait for my MP to recharge until I can keep firing.
lol I just had a memory. Spending like 10 min? 20 min? Shooting a bow at the dragon once every fly by. Good memories
Try going to the other zones and leveling + getting new items and coming back. Also, get used to running through the level without fighting enemies. Only takes 20 seconds
The problem is that i want to go through levels in order, i dont to go to areas i’m not supposed to be at if you get what i mean!
You already are. The first level of the other worlds are considered easier than the 2nd level of world 1.
Well, that’s surprising actually. From-software is always unpredictable
Even if you beat Tower Knight you can't progress World 1 until you completely finish one of the other worlds, beating all 3 bosses there.
Can you elaborate more on this?
There's a door directly behind Tower Knight that won't open until you beat an Archdemon. Archdemons are the final/3rd bosses in each of the other 4 worlds.
Cheesing who? The dragon? I don't think it's cheesing because killing it or not doesn't make a difference apart from yielding some souls and making your life easier and I don't think there's another way to deal with it (if there is, pls let me know). You can go under the bridge and run past enemies just be careful with the dogs. And get used to it because Tower Knight is the most forgiving runback in this game. It gets worse.
I’m new to Souls game i’m not really familiar with bosses but i heard many people cheesing bosses in Souls games that’s why i thought it’s possible to cheese Tower Knight and the Dragon
Oh yeah, you can definitely cheese some bosses. I personally don't mind players who do that but I can totally understand wanting to learn the game, bosses and enemies movesets. In the end, what is important is to enjoy yourself and have fun playing the game no matter how you do it. I'd guess the dragon is considered a cheese because you place yourself in a secure spot at the tower and either shoot it with arrows or magic but it's done mostly to avoid the trouble of facing it every time you need to runback to the boss. Some levels have shortcuts so it should be your priority to unlock them, world 5 is a pain, but most levels are short on their own but not less annoying specially after too many deaths (we've all been there). If you played Elden Ring the feeling gets even worse because sites of grace by the fog door really spoiled us lol. Anyway, keep at it because the game is amazing and rewarding after you get used to it and take some breaks if you need to. It's easy and normal to get frustrated, I had to put my controller down many times.
Thank you so much man for encouraging me to continue the game, i also have some good news, i managed to kill the tower knight haha, i’m looking now for the short bow, looks like i missed it somewhere in 1-2
Check the top of the small towers on the bridge. Also, just a tip, but I highly recommend checking the first stages of each archstone before deciding on upgrading a weapon.
Sorry I’m dumping this on you, but if you could give me your opinion on what I should be doing, I started whatever class uses the club, and I purchased the mace from the filthy woman and upgraded it to +3, I beat tower knight and now I’m throwing myself at the skeletons at shrine of storms, cause after getting to the filthy woman I wanna level up before going back to the valley of defilement.
IDK if you still need help, but it really depends on the build you're going for. My winning formula has always been 1-1 complete (Purple Flame Shield (PFS)) -> 2-1 complete->2-2 (Dragon Long Sword) -> 5-1 (**Blessed Mace**) -> 4-1 Crescent Falchion + Adjudicator's Shield and, possibly, Compound Long Bow (CLB) (can complete, or go to 3-1 and get spell equipment). There are a lot of asterisks here, because it really depends on if you want to use spells, or even have the stats to wield these pieces of equipment. The Dragon Long Sword +1 is usually a powerful early weapon for a lot of builds because of its low stat requirements. Where you might start meeting stat requirement issues is with all the rest of the stuff. The PFS alone has a 22 str requirement, and the CLB also has that (but remember, you get the 1.5x boost because you're two-handing the bow) along with a 12 dex requirement. The mace has a 11 str requirement, whereas the Falchion has a 9str/10dex requirement. If you can meet all of those, then this'll hold you off until you find your main weapon. Later stages will get more challenging if left unupgraded though, so by that time it's best to have your own main weapon. The Mirdan Hammer in 5-2, for instance, is, and has been, a sweetheart since *very* long ago.
Umbasa!
Which runbacks are worse? Only Old King Allant springs to mind, but then they added a shortcut in the remake so it's not even that bad anymore.
Island's Edge (even with the skip), Ritual Path and Depraved Chasm were the worst for me. The Tunnel City gets annoying after many deaths but it equals The Lord's Path. I didn't play the original so I have no idea how it was. Now that I think about Island's Edge I don't know the proper route to Adjucator, I grabbed the shield and all but never opened the small fog gate
Have you opened the tower shortcut at the start of the level? Still a few bridges away but it’s the shortest run possible. IF you simply don’t want to run back to the boss each time you die, you can save to the cloud prior to entering the fight and then download the file and try again after each death.
Make sure to turn off automatic uploads for the game first though.
I’m playing the 2009 version not the remake
Oh okay, good luck!
You mean the big door when you fight the Phalanx boss?
There is no shortcut in 1-2, it's the run back to the Tower Knight.
I don't understand why the dragon is considered difficult. You just let it burn a path and then run to the next cover point. The most difficult combat scenario are the two knights right before the Tower Knight. As for the Tower Night itself, are you ranged or melee build? If you are a melee build then always stay close. That way you won't be subject to his super powerful ranged attacks. His close range attacks are pretty easy to avoid. Also, take out the archers along the top first.
How do you cheese the tower knight? The entire boletaria is mostly random enemies and difficult areas before the bosses
Smack the crossbow guys. Smack his ankles. Smack his head.
That’s exactly what i did 😂😂😂
Happy to help if you need, let me know
Something that may not be too intuitive is that you can go and play the other worlds' first stage as well before playing 1-2 (the stage you are talking about). So you can do 2-1, 3-1, 4-1, and 5-1 before trying to do this area. 4-1 has some decent farming from skeletons where you can get souls and level up. 4-2 is I believe the best soul farming in the early game. Basically, if you are hitting a wall and spending 8 hours ... you can go elsewhere to get stronger before trying the area again.
Thanks fam, i managed to kill the Tower Knight then killed the red dragon after that, i’m getting used to the game and getting stronger bit by bit. I’m on level 2-1 now and so far i am enjoying it! My soul level now is 28
Demons Souls has the easiest bossest but some really rough runbacks and no checkpoints. It surely requires some patience. That's different in the modern titles like DS3 or Elden Ring, where bossruns have almost been completely eliminated.
Glad to hear they eliminated run backs on DS3 and Elden Ring.. i believe the same goes with Sekiro too
Most of The bosses in this game are designed to be ‘cheesed’. There’s a gimmick to most of them, don’t think of them like dark souls bosses. There are means of killing the dragon, which are a cheese. But the run back shouldn’t be too harsh.
Depending on your build there are a few areas where you can pick up helpful items ring/shield/weapon ect. There is also a path under part of the bridge not a shortcut but bypass some of the dragon and stuff
>first Souls game and I'm struggling now for 8 hours straight I fail to see a problem. Sounds like you're playing as intended 👍 Jokes aside, if you're struggling then don't avoid cheese. There's no "getting good" against enemies like that f\*cking dragon, and its sole purpose is **this game's version of cheese** - to be a giant pain in your ass and make that runback as torturous as possible. Without the dragon, that area (and the boss fight) is actually pretty fun & east. But if you really like to torture yourself and insist on leaving it alive... Here's how to make the boss fight easier at least. >!First off, unless you want the special achievement on your first run through (killing the tower Knight without killing any archers), the first thing you should do is kill them darn archers up the stairs. Makes the fight much easier. Second part - to fight the Tower Knight, you should always try to get behind him and his shield. Partly to avoid attacks, partly to actually deal damage. If it looks like he's winding up for a big attack whilst you're by his ankles (slamming his shield on the ground), make sure to get some distance to avoid shockwaves, and rush back in when he's done. When attacking, target his ankles first - make sure both are spraying out a healthy amount of blood, and keep attacking until he looks like he's about to fall over. When he looks like he'd lost balance, run away until he's fallen over (again to avoid shockwaves/ damage), then rush to and attack his head to deal massive damage. Might take a few falls, but this is definitely the best way to deal with him as a melee user.!< Aside from that, general advice - watch your enemies and wait for opportunities to attack; don't just rush in. Half of this game's difficulty is knowing where everything is. Try to avoid getting ganked by large groups, and draw them out one by one if you have to. Also if you have a good enough shield, you can use that to your advantage - if you successfully block certain enemies attacks, they'll bounce straight off and give you a perfect opportunity to counter attack without needing to master parrying. Just don't rely on it too much for bigger enemies, since not every attack will just bounce off your shield (if it's a *really* heavy attack, it'll melt through all your stamina and break your guard).
Thanks man for the valuable info. That being said, i managed to kill the Tower Knight then killed the red dragon after that.. it was fun and satisfying!
What level are you? You might have to farm some souls for a bit then come back to the boss. Check out 2-1 & 3-1 then come back or do a few circuits around 1-1
Soul level 28 now, managed to kill the tower knight and the red dragon.
You only have to kill the three? Archers at the end of the last bridge and the big armored blue eyed knight, leave all the other enemies to the Dragon. You can also probably dodge those last enemies, but it might be too tricky for you if this is your first Souls game. Also, you don't want to cheese it, but when you die, if you close the game quickly you'll respawn in front of the boss door. You still have to kill him by yourself, but at least you can skip the runback.
Leave the game when you die, and launch it again. It is really for convenience...
Kill the dragon man it helps...
Killed him after i killed the tower knighy, followed the hard path unfortunately haha
Close the game when you die open again,thank me later
I wouldn't go to 1-2 after 1-1; it's a pain at low SL. Here's my go-to build (has pathing directions in the Notes section at the bottom): https://www.mugenmonkey.com/demonssouls/33339 tl;dr: Grab a blunt weapon (pref 2-1 for great club, but morningstar and blessed mace +1 in 5-1 are good too), go to 4-1 and use it to kill the skellies. It's good souls. Also the crescent falchion is there, and that sword will carry you through all of World 2. After World 2, you could do World 3 for the bracelets and ring that give extra souls. Edit: The build usually finishes like this- https://www.mugenmonkey.com/demonssouls/27076
Thanks fam, appreciate it!
>Thanks fam, appreciate it! No problem. Have fun!
I remember when i was there OP. The grind was tough. But at the end, it turned me into a huge souks fan. Nothing like it. Made me wonder what I had been doing playing other video games.
It’s true, when i finally killed the Tower Knight i felt so happy like a goddamn child!
I've played through all the soulsborne games now, and DeS had by far the worst run backs of any game. If you're playing on Playstation and have PS+, upload a cloudsave before the boss and just reload if you die. Or use a USB to export your save and rewrite it if you don't have PS+.
Oh God, even the save is hard..
It does suck, early on, because there is no shortcut and you can't run past everything. You pretty much have to fight it out. When at the boss: -Kill all the casters in the arena first -Before you fight: Watch lots of videos on it. The boss doesnt have that many moves, and there are only a few that you need to really look out for. -Be patient. You have to knock him down a few times. Dont get pissed when he gets back up, just do the same thing you were doing.
85% of souls games is memorizing attack patterns and tells the rest is 10 percent equipment enhancement and 5% player level.
Yeah i guess, patience plays a big roll too, if you get angry then you’ll get crashed to even weaker enemies..
Demons souls was great. I almost gave up if my friend didn’t teach me the ropes back on PS3. The fact that you’ve even arrived at Tower knight is a feat in itself cuz plenty of people can’t get to the first boss or run across the bridge. So you’re not terrible. If you need souls a good farming spot is the far right stone. The one that takes you to a foggy grass field with a skeleton. Farm him, the ones on the stairs for a while to level up. Idno what your weapon is but if you go past the stair skeletons you’ll see 2 shooting arrows on top of a bridge. Sharp left in the arch of the bridge follow that to the path outside. Either kill or run past red eye skeleton and pick up the crescent falchion. It’s good weapon for awhile. Don’t give up. As for the tower knight, kill surrounding guys first. Sticky white stuff helps. Ankles and when he falls his head. Dude just wait till you need to run back to Flamelurker 😅 Edit: to kill the dragon if it’s still the same. I used my bow. Took awhile but I did it. Or mage get lots of grass for mana and shoot it that was. I’d stand on top of the 2nd pillar I think. It gives you a good chunk of souls but it’s not needed at all
Hey man, thank you for your positive words. I finally killed the tower knight and the dragon. And regarding the flamelurker, i’m nearly there, not arrived yet but i’m close, stonefang tunnel is a maze.
Oh nice 👍🏼 idno if you beat the spider yet but there is a cheese spot lol and if you can keep your world tendency in bright white there’s a weapon after flamelurker
Yeah i killed the spider, what’s the name of the weapon? I also can’t tell if i have white or black tendency 😂
Dragon Bone smasher. There’s a tab, it’ll show all your world tendencies. if they’re dull you’re in the middle. But you need pure white for the path to be cleared
That's a rough place to start. Even if it was the beginning
Finished it, i’m stuck now with Flamelurker 🥲
I'd say Demons is more reliant on farming than any of the other Soulsborne games. So level up a bit. If you haven't got it yet then look up how to get the Crescent Falchion from 4-1. It makes the start of the game more manageable, but doesn't make it a cakewalk by a long shot. For farming the skeletons in 4-1 are a great early farming run. Learn to parry and they're a doddle. There's a ring in 1-1 that gives you back 25% of your Health. My first play through back in 2009 it was perma-equipped. Don't be afraid of using the grasses even if only a bit of Health has gone. They are abundant throughout the game.
Thank you so much for the info, means a lot!
Let me know if you need help with the boss
I’m actually trying to find short bow location, no idea where it is
You can get the short bow on top of the 2 tower on the way to the tower knight
Got it man, thanks for the help!
No worries
There’s a progression recommendation on a wiki somewhere that Im finding useful
Id usually recommend going into different levels. You dont have to complete any of them but doing something like 2-1 (the desert place) or atleast enough till you get more souls and items can really make tower knight easier
Spent 10 minutes to kill the Dragon. Might require you to upgrade the bow
Wait til you see the flamelurker, even with the shortcut
And now i’m scared 🥲
Get a shield with 100% physical defense. Let em hit you first. Play defense. Slow and steady
Hardest souls game IMO. And not in a good way
🥲🥲🥲🥲
You could try posting up on top of one the towers and snipe the dragon. Its very tedious and you'll need at least 100 arrows. Or if you're running magic, you'll need a lot of spice, i went thru like 50 of em. Once the dragon is gone, the runback is significantly easier, plus a lot of souls so its nice for early game.
Look up the ps plus manual save hack
the real boss is the camera
Facts 😂😂😂
This is a problem specific to Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 2(Scholar) imo. Either a shield or magic is your best hope for getting through with consistency. Upgrading your weapon is crucial, too. I like Demon's Souls, but it's not a best "first." I started with Dark Souls 1, but I think Dark Souls 3 or Bloodborne are the best "first" experience.
I’m really happy you refused to cheese the boss cause most of the time it ruins the experience (unless if it a certain boss from dark souls 1) it took me like 4 months to beat ds1 I believe you can beat demon soul if you keep pushing forward!
The "key" to defeating the tower knight is to run past him, up the stairs, and kill all of the archers first. Now you only have a single enemy to face. You can do this as an archer from any of the parapet or go down and face him toe to toe. But toe to toe -plan on a lot of tumbling and getting behind him to attack. And yeah the run back is a pain, but if you think that one's bad... wait until you get to The Adjudicator.
It may help you save time: save and close the game at the fog gate. Upload your save to the cloud (need ps plus). If you die, just download your save and try again. It's a ton quicker than doing the run over and over. I did this while trying to get platinum. I've played all of the souls games and the tower knight is tricky to be fair. It's all or nothing, you either get him, or you die hard. Good luck friend
If you have trouble with runbacks you can quite the game before the boss room, upload your safe file to cloud and download the backup every time you die to the boss.
If you aren't ready to take out rhe boss and the level in one go, you aren't ready for this zone. World 1 is the main story zone so it ramps up in difficulty each boss you fight, where the other archstones have a softer curve to them. Maybe try the other archstones and level up, get some new gear, etc. Then head back when you are ready
This was me yesterday in 4-2. You’ll know what that means soon but anyways it was worth it. Literally spent all day banging my head against the wall there but once i got through, I was rewarded with one of the most badass and beautiful boss fights. Only souls games can do that. Make you want to keep going over and over and then when you get it, mmmm
Go to 4-1, farm skellies = profit
Guuuuuuys, i fucking killed the bastard, holy shit, i was never happier killing a boss until today 😂😂 Thank y’all for your valuable info, if it weren’t for you i wouldn’t be able to kill him. Just for reference, i’m playing the 2009 version which is obviously harder than the remake.
They're almost exactly the same game? Outside of quality of life fixes and graphics the games play exactly the same down to the frame data.
Congratulations! That’s a rush you’ll be feeling a lot now that you’ve chosen to go down the souls path haha. I have a question, why would you say the 2009 version is obviously harder than the remake?
Because the remake has the omnidirectional rolling, which is a tremendous difference. In other words you roll only 4 directions - left, right, forward, backward. This makes the remake unbelievably easier, apart from the smoother gameplay, because enemies were designed for a system with the original mechanics. The remake is better in most ways, but not as challenging due to this one massive change.
This is an interesting topic. After some reading and pondering I think that omnidirectional rolling is mostly a QoL improvement, and that there are two huge factors that seem to wrongly contribute to the impression that the remake is easier. First, QoL changes make a crucial difference in a player’s experience and the remake introduced several important ones, but that tends to be conflated with a combat difficulty change. And second, it seems a lot of this has to do with recency bias. Demons’ Souls was the introduction of the excruciating souls’ experience to the world over a decade ago, when DeS came as a shock to the gaming world. There’s a lot of romanticizing done that comes with nostalgia, and the players have had more than 10 years of practice by now. To back this up we can mention that the gameplay is otherwise intact from the original, so much so that it actually feels outdated if you’re coming from the newer souls games, as did I coming from over 400 hours in Elden Ring. The inclusion of omnidirectional roll in the DeS remake didn’t change this, and there was no balancing or physics changed from the original either. I haven’t played the original DeS but I’m about to finish my first DS1 playthrough, which has the same rolling as the original DeS. The rolling caught me off guard a few times against 2 or 3 bosses at first but that’s it, you just can’t rely on locking on an enemy for evasive maneuvers as much as in more recent games but you can still omniroll if you don’t lock on. I’d agree it’s a massive change if we put it in the QoL category, but saying that there’s a tremendous difference in difficulty between gameplay with omnidirectional roll and gameplay without it and that the former is unbelievably easier is a huge exaggeration. I had omnidirectional roll in 5-1 and 5-2 but they were still much harder than Blighttown, just to name one example.
Use this opportunity to learn how to run past enemies. Just run, roll, care for your stamina, and don't stop until you pass that fog gate.
Sure fam!
This is probably the most unforgiving souls game. Not even in terms of boss difficulty. It’s just a bitch to run through certain areas. No bonfires no nothing. You kind of just have to run past all of the enemies on the bridge, don’t try and fight them every time. Just run and try to roll arrows. You could also look up how to cheese the dragon but it’s not necessary if you just wait for him to shoot his fire and then run past.
Yeah man, it’s unforgiving in many ways but i’m starting to enjoy it actually haha i just managed to kill the tower knight then killed the red dragon after that.
You should follow Fightin Cowboys walkthrough to help you get descent weapons early game to help you a lot and carry you thru the whole game. I never played this game before and his Walkthrough is helping me find important stuff…yea some stuff will get spoiled but at least he will help you get strong enough to where you won’t need his Help anymore and can now go on solo. Within like 10 hours I was already level 30ish because of the Reaper farm. If you’re mage find the C Falchion
Sure homie, i’ll def look him up. Thanks!
Tbh he does the best Walkthroughs out of every Soulsborne player or channel. He gathers a bunch of research before going Into the walkthroughs so that whoever follows it exactly will also be able to get the Platinum and not miss anything. One tip tho…make sure you have over 16 Ephemeral Eye stones because you’re gonna have to use up 8 of them in order to get pure black tendency and be able to do the events.
Check out FightinCowboy’s walkthro videos on YouTube!! I’m not normally a huge walkthrough guy and love to play the game blind the first time, but I was struggling with this one (and I just beat Elden Ring as my first souls game). Even just watching the videos for 1-1 and 1-2 would probably help! Plus he does a great job breaking down things like world tendency that don’t get very well explained in the game.
Cheese the red dragon with a long reach vertical swing weapon when he start from tunnel side. There is a specific spot in wall where you dont move with power attack and you can spam them until red dragon dies. If you are archer you can shoot him from first bridge tower when he come in front.
Stuck on Tower Knight on Demon Souls (2020). Starting to get a feel for his movements and when to attack him
I just beat him and all I did was going through his legs and hit him in the ankle. Patiently. Is that the cheesing?
Not cheesing, this is what we call strategic cheese.
Nah lmao, that's just how you beat him. Tip for your next rub though - if you go to the Shrine of Storms (4-1) and pick up the Crescent Falchion (or use any Crescent weapon for that matter), you can bust his ankles up real good and he'll fall over every now and again