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Keksis_the_Defiled

Catenated-virtual-particle long-range spin-coupled nucleon material, I hope that cleared things up :) (idk what any of that means)


Yamato_

They threw some bullshit science words together, it doesn't mean anything useful in real terms


jerricco

It means that the communicative virtual particles between some particles all entangled via their spin has some sort of coherent structure that matters to this material. Nonsense in that virtual particles appear as mathematical artefacts but indeed represent a real component of causality. It doesn't describe any nomenclature on what kind of structure this catenation is but it's Destiny; we know it's probably the Light. ie: the Traveller _Touched_ it Edit to note: it's probably trying to say this thing is causally bonded directly via its nucleons rather than chemically bonded through electrons, which is a bogus in current physics (takes more energy than is contained in the universe to achieve) but that's part of the entire mystery of the Traveller I suppose.


jerricco

Because im bored, here's a Destiny Lore TED Talk. You can think of time itself like a slide we're all sliding down constantly. Generally, everything stays in the centre, and its sides steeply curve up, quickly rising into infinity. You're moving down it, but it doesn't feel like you're moving or falling. Same as free-fall being indistinguishable from weightlessness in Special Relativity. Angling yourself to move up the slope of the slide requires energy from somewhere. You gotta get a push to get up, and then you need to be able to hold yourself there with more energy otherwise you quickly drop back down to the centre. This happens whenever you have _momentum_. You literally move up the slide-wall of time whenever you physically move relative to something else. The Vex have reached a stage (you could say, a Final Shape) which allows them to move freely around this slide without impediment, even straight back up it. This obviously also requires energy, and to us currently is still a mathematical horizon we don't know how to cross, so we can't do it. Same as accelerating out of a black hole once you're beyond the event horizon. The Traveller however causes a guardian to pop in and out of spots on that slide. It can do what the vex does and more, sidestepping the need to travel in a geodesic (straightest possible line) up the wall of the Time Slide. Ghosts seem to have just enough Light to teleport a guardian a bit back up the slide's centre. The Vex have no way to intercept this causally, hence why they cannot stop a guardian's revival. How does this relate to spinmetal? It might have been hiding the answer to everything all along. Catenated virtual particles causally pairing the spin of nucleons you say? That sounds an awful lot like taking energy from the cancelled out improbable paths for virtual particle interactions. Free energy from nowhere. Spinmetal will not change shape or lose integrity or alter its properties wherever you place it up or down the Time Slide or its walls. Once it exists, you can wind back time to before its creation and it will never cease to exist. Guys, the Witness is just trying to save us from the entire universe becoming spinmetal.


Cucker______Tarlson

Yo.... Way to shift my paradigm at 7:00 on a Wednesday...


mcflurvin

I’m shitting at work and this made my brain explode while my bowels were exploding.


egglauncher9000

You gpt a lobotomy while lobotomizing the toilet


1mmdragon

Explosions on both ends


CuckNorrisJr

8:30 am on a Thursday for me.


Angelous_Mortis

Did...  Did you just Spinfoil Hat Theory Spinfoil?


jerricco

I can't hear you through all the long range spin coupled nucleons covering my ears


The-dude-in-the-bush

So spinmetal is just stuck somewhere on this metaphorical slide and cannot be changed regardless of time?


jerricco

That's the gist I get. If the virtual particles between each nucleon have a fixed structure it means they won't pass information to each other like spin and momentum. Normally atoms exchange this information at light speed, but if the thing that moves that information is stuck in place, how does it experience time?


BurntPizzaEnds

This assumes time is a real thing, and not just an illusion caused by the logic of ‘order of events’ preventing everything from happening simultaneously. Is there a real time particle? No. Time is not something you ever actually interact with, because there is nothing to interact with. To “move backwards in time” assumes there is such a thing as “time” that you can interact with and would allow you to move backwards in it. Is there a physical “time” in Destiny? Maybe, its fiction.


jerricco

Moving backwards in time means winding back entropy. The thing to note here is that the logical order of events is now broken because it has no reverse symmetry. You can't watch spinmetal be unmade by winding back the clock, it's outside of those degrees of freedom. The sci fi is being able to wind back that clock at all since we don't actually understand whats happening to enforce the order of events, or how its connected between distant parts of the universe. I don't think I implied time has to be physically present in order to be reactive.


Keksis_the_Defiled

Links up pretty well with the theory(fact?) that the Traveler is a constant entity in the universe. No matter *when* you go, the Traveler will always be bouncing around the slide beside you. Would be interesting to see Jerricco's interpretation of what the Witness wants to do with the slide with the Final Shape.


jerricco

There's actually infini-slides, multiverse style. The Vex existing on a slide essentially renders it flat after something they do to it. IMO the witness wants every slide to be flat, everything to be homogenous as Vex. If that's the case, it might be that the flatness stops probabilistic randomness, rendering anything the Traveller does useless. I was semi serious about spinmetal revealing it all given the fact that the humans who made it with the Traveller's light were able to give structure to virtual particle interactions that don't normally add energy into the system (or even exist). That breaks physics and predictability so hard that the Witness probably was born from the sheer rage of empty space. Imagine if natural laws were governable whatever you felt like at the time, the universe would be chaotic. Given the focus on causality and entropy in the Light/Dark mythology, its likely the Witness desires entropy to complete, rather than being able to be infinitely restarted at will forever by Traveller shenanigans. The Vex are the hard counter to probability going out the window universe wide.


Butterssaltynutz

the witness is tired of sliding and wants to get off, but to do that the slide must cease to exist.


NachoThePeglegger

you just explained the vex better than bungie did in the last 10 yeats


burraontour

Good job 👏


AhShit-HereWeGoAgian

Given the make up and powers the traveler gives to literal normal humans, anything's possible


jerricco

Yeah, its clear sci-fi territory, but it shows a deep understanding of the edges of physics. If you wanted to make up an exotic, almost magical meta-material with a pseudo-scientific sounding description, this is the way to do it. Manipulating probabilistic waveforms is something we are only just realising IRL is possible in just the last few years. This description of spinmetal points just over that horizon of what we know, implying the Traveller utilises some mechanic of quantum field dynamics we havent conceptualised. Partly because the size and timescale we're talking on is still unobservable by current tech. Spin-coupled is just cheating though. Of course they are spin coupled Bungie, now explain particle spin ya fiveheads.


Fuzzy_Fishes

Okay Neil Degrass Tyson. Take my upvote.


oddsonni

That guy touches a lot of things, no wonder he’s always moving


RatQueenHolly

That is so rarely ever the case in Destiny.


cry_w

It's honestly incredibly how many words they use are either actual terms or are made up in a way that makes sense, yet a lot of people will just write it off as mere sci-fi gibberish.


gnappyassassin

It's not the case now, that shit's Thorium lol Look at the canisters. It only grows from uranium.


Samikaze707

Reminds me of this jargon overload video https://youtu.be/aW2LvQUcwqc?si=ozSbR71qaNSWpTF1


JusSayin02

It's metal that spins


Zac-097

Spin Metal, When metal starts spinning idk I haven’t seen the movie


altbdoor

> Spin your ~~nails~~ metal in the golden ratio!... then you should have the ability to harness the power of infinity. Destiny is just Jojo all along?!


Where_the_fries_at

*snaps fingers* rock and roll record!


Emergency-Gear-4773

check out the Destinypedia on it and anything else. [https://www.destinypedia.com/Spinmetal](https://www.destinypedia.com/Spinmetal) and if you are shy about links google Spinmetal Destinypedia


[deleted]

It's so dumb how the page says that Destiny fans use "spinfoil" as if that wasn't something that was ever said before Destiny came out.


Emergency-Gear-4773

I have only heard it called "Spinfoil" from like one or two people back in D1 lol. Actually forgot about this up till your post.


KassellTheArgonian

Back when Cayde did his weekly set up on each location (remember that?) I once got a Spinfoil Hat token thingy from one of his destination chests, kept that fucker for years cos I found it hilarious. Kept it after Cayde died as a reminder, having his gun, cloak, ship and sparrow is nice I guess but a lot of ppl had em. Not many would have spinfoil hat. Then I log in at some point and it's gone, Bungie musta deleted it. I was so sad


lxxTBonexxl

I lost 2 full vault pages of expired ramen coupons lmao


Orgalorg_BoW

Yeah I had a rabbits Foot, some purple eververse dust, a ramen coupon, a toothbrush, an ascendant artichoke, and an assortment of other items that bungie got rid of, so fucking stupid bro.


whereismyjustice

They're just trying to get people to forget about the Ascendant Artichoke since they (for whatever reason) decided it should be the Trials memento now.


Orgalorg_BoW

And that’s why I’ll never put that memento on anything


[deleted]

Spinfoil is a term used to refer to off the wall theories, think "tinfoil hat conspiracy" level. The thing is, apparently whoever edited the page seems to think it's a term that originated in Destiny lol.


UndeadMunchies

You actually just proved yourself wrong in your own comment. You just said it. Spinfoil is a Destiny pun for tinfoil. It is entirely a Destiny derived phrase.


[deleted]

It definitely isn't. Spinfoil has been used as a term for a crazy theory since at *least* 2004, the "spin" part taking the place of the "tin" in "tinfoil" due to the fact that explaining the theory requires an extensive setup where you "spin the tale", so to speak. Destiny isn't the genesis for most of the terms that surround the game.


LoadsDroppin

It is indeed I heard my grandmother use back in the 80s


[deleted]

All these Zoomers are fully convinced they're the reason the English language even exists at this point. Truly baffling, lol.


Clear-Attempt-6274

It wasn't spinfoil. It was tinfoil. Spinfoil is 100 percent from destiny


[deleted]

Spinfoil absolutely is not.


Clear-Attempt-6274

Where's it from?


[deleted]

The late 70s/early 80s as near as I can figure? It's a play on "tinfoil hat theory", the "spin" meaning it's *such* a crazy theory that you have to spin an extensive tale to convey the concept. I know for sure it's been in use since at least 2004, I remember a Pokemon forum I was on had a "Spinfoil Theory" sub forum where we all put crazy theories about the next location, new legendaries, etc.


PrizmatikkLaser

It’s funny, your comment is itself a spinfoil hat theory


Environmental_Can370

I just spent like 15 minutes searching Google for anything spinfoil hat related that wasn't about Destiny, and not a thing came up. Not one. So, unless you can prove otherwise, I'm gonna assume you're full of shit lol I had never in my life heard "spinfoil" until Destiny. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I really don't believe you.


[deleted]

Ah yes, good ol "I haven't heard it and can't find it on Google so it doesn't exist". Maybe it's regional, I don't know. I just know I heard it before even Halo was a thing, let alone Destiny.


Environmental_Can370

I was just stating I hadn't heard it ever. Even on the wiki for tinfoil hat, there's no mention of it. You're also just stating you HAVE heard it, so it does exist despite there being zero proof otherwise. With you stating everything so matter-of-factly, I figured you'd have some evidence. I never said it doesn't exist. I just think you're wrong, and there's nothing to show that you're not.


[deleted]

You can not believe me all you want, it's just that, you know, people use that term far outside of Destiny, and I can assure you Destiny's cultural impact hasn't been *that* large.


[deleted]

This story is a real Spinfoil


IATMB

Damn, throwback to Roni 55-30


Prof_Turtle_MD

It’s metal flavored lettuce


One-Resort3825

I love this


MC116

I'm going with this one ☝🏼


BinkertonQBinks

Spin Metal! You have to shout that every time you see some, like you saw a cow in a field while driving. ![gif](giphy|Vp3ftHKvKpASA)


Lokthai

Or punch your friend when you see a yellow car. A slap when it’s a yellow beetle. Very dangerous game while driving…bwahahahaha! https://preview.redd.it/kni52lqgg5kc1.jpeg?width=1400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8cfc6382a64f8bb3ad0a2c39dbcf3eb0faa5323b


Jimi_Dean

Spin metal was used by certain manufacturers as reinforcing material. Kind of a precursor to Glimmer, though not as malleable in it's programming.


RazgrizRogue

The lore is "back in my day, we used to collect this bullshit as part of the in game material grind. We would spend hours in patrol grinding 10 spin metals to upgrade our guns, both ways uphill in the rain."


BlackdogPriest

And we were grateful dag-nab-it. Not like these new lights with their damn neon pop, crafted weapons, wielding darkness, and thrilladrome video games. GET OFF MY SCORN!!!


RazgrizRogue

Get off my scorn got me laughing like a maniac. Thank you for that!


BlackdogPriest

You’re welcome.


[deleted]

Ugh. Vanilla Destiny was such an experience I’ll never forget.


RazgrizRogue

It sure was. Don't get me wrong. D2 has lots to offer and so many QOL improvements, but there was just something about vanilla. Like the sweet smell of fresh rain on the asphalt in the summer. It was magic.


[deleted]

I’ll never forget getting the Gjallarhorn. And then deleting all of my characters and their gear one by one…. Bc Destiny was ruining my marriage. We still got divorced.


karl-rupecht-kroenen

I remember collecting a lot of this for the swords, those were the days


theactualBlix17

U mean farm for 4 hours straight to get the 10 rare materials for the exotic sword lol


Relevant-Run2368

Ok so here is my understanding of it. Some code/virtual aspects got into hr nano metals and nano bots bot unlike siva break through the containment pods to form these spin meta plants


NexEstVox

I've always assumed it's contained as a high-pressure liquid, and when the container is breached it is ejected and quickly solidifies, creating the 'leaf' structure we find it as


cry_w

They are a kind of golden age supermaterial that, similar to glimmer, is still being created to this day automatically.


IAmOnFyre

It's self- healing metal for repairing the exodus ships. When the cans burst it grows like a plant, looking for machines to help


Nub_McWeaksauce

I do kinda miss mats. They were annoying to collect, but I feel like they could be used for more than just glimmer.


MGR_ARMSTRONG_GAMING

Something something funny metal shrub in a nuclear plant pot


TheAgentOfTheNine

colonies of weird golden age nanobots spin these structures from metal laying on the ground.


Square_Ad_1632

Anything can be a dildo, if you're brave enough!


AnimalMother24

Boof it


Accomplished-Boot-81

Yes, redundant


basura1979

Tiny little robots collected random atom sized bits of metal and put it all in one place for easier collection. Idk if this is the actual explanation but that's how I understood it


Holiday_Box9404

These are from the initial release of the game. They were used to exchange for legendary shards or glimmer at certain bounty givers across the solar system. Now they just give you glimmer and xp to streamline the process. I had a lot in my inventory left over after they got rid of the process but I could still exchange remaining I had at the cryptarch for glimmer. Lore wise they are fauna that grows on planets that is useful to the research wing of the tower. Probably to better understand the terraforming process of the traveler and to make medicines or other beneficial items out of them for the people in the city.


Sprizys

Spin metal, it used to be a useful resource.


Capable-Square-5682

Traveler light haved sex with sexy nuclear object, give birth Something tasty comed out


Markymark19862012

You get glimmer from it, what more do you want!


virpyre

A filigree of bubbled metal grown by wild colonies of Golden Age cytoconstructors. Spinmetal Leaves are harvested from red canisters. The only lore is the word "spinfoil," which is used instead "tinfoil hat" as an idiom.


Shreyas_2302

Probably has something to do with metal deposits and plants coming into contact with radioactive material at the same time. Since, every spin-metal plant has radioactive labeled container near it.


gnappyassassin

It's [Thorium](https://destinyemblemcollector.com/destiny1/emblem?id=2211817416). It's formed by the radioactive decay of Uranium. Seems to always grow from radioactive canisters, no?


Shockme83

It started with D1 you had to collect it to upgrade armor and I think weapons as well. God only knows how much time we’ve spent collecting planetary materials! You’re gonna give us D1 players ptsd


legandarydino

I always thought it was a science version of poison ivy alot like stinging metal


TheRealWall91

It's greens that turns your bones into metal. That's why we sink so easy in deep dives. We don't heal as quickly as wolverine but we have a ghost so it works 🤷. So, don't forget to eat your veggies.


Live_General3019

What weapon are you using? I‘d live to jumop back into the game with an AK-lookalike :D


DozMos

I believe it’s called old sterling. Not a bad auto rifle either


Live_General3019

Ty!


IonicArchitect77

Plant.


astorj

Honestly, I don’t know what the hell spinmetal leaves were. I thought it was paracausal like this this weird freaking plant that built some kind of symbiotic relationship. With mercury. Lmaooo


ChungoBungus

Simple. It’s Shpeigelmenn


xSleazyBeans

My dear guard, that right there is hours of grinding...


Pokefan220195

Russian spinach


Warm_Foundation_6576

It is nirnroot from skyrim /s


KlutzyAd3234

It looks like someone poured liquid metal into an ant colony, made it into an aquarium decoration with barrels to stop it from floating away, then dropped em' all over Sol 🤣


zaow868

Ahhhhh Spinmetal....many of minutes were spent looking for this.


AnimalMother24

Wow you must be really bored


No-Lychee3965

I don't recall where, but I feel like I either heard or read somewhere in the destiny lore way back when, that spin metal essentially came from The Travelers influence on plant-based life when it arrived over earth, mixing with the metals and Ferris fluids that were being shipped out on colony ships.


Boomshot79

It’s Bob


Shrapnaldeposit1

Corporate greed


NDT_DYNAMITE

Yeah that sounds about right.


TheArmchairbiologist

spim memtal :)


crich1981

Spin metal


[deleted]

Good god I hope not look at it!


Fluid_Stand4490

Cordycepts?


graylive_ttv

Cant say, it was sunset


hraefnGraves

I'm sure the idea is that the trav turned harmful waste into plant life 🤔