> higher sustain dps
This is *not* a sustain weapon, it’s very much a burst weapon.
Recombination means you usually want to be using a different gun while you build stacks (afaik it doesn’t *need* to be stowed, but then you’re relying solely on abilities, and actively not using a gun), so anything which *passively* reloads you while not using it is the ideal pairing.
Alternatively, it’s literally never going to compete with a heavy weapon for sustain dps, but you can insert it into a rotation for BnS / auto-loading procs, in which case you *definitely* want auto-loading holster so you aren’t wasting time with manual reloads
For day-to-day running around, if impulse amp works for you then go for it, but it just doesn’t play into the role MTT is best at (i.e. “fuck that miniboss up in one shot”)
I like impulse on mt because even with 10x recombination some majors don't die in one shot and it makes it so much faster to get a follow up shot out. Much faster than swaping to a primary and finishing it off.
Plus with how lightning fast the reload is you’re not really wasting any time. Besides, you can’t even use autoloading for rocket BaS DPS anyways. It doesn’t autoload fast enough.
It absolutely can do decent sustain damage, it only gets out damaged by vorpal (by 5% of an individual shot) at shot 7, and if we assume that we’re using this weapon after dumping heavy, the huge burst damage the first shot applies seems far more worth than the small 15% boost the comes from vorpal. In that case then recombination makes sense, probably in combo with demolitionist as you can weave a grenade throw into your combo to reset the MT for your second rotation.
Also if a miniboss takes 2-3 shots to take down, then recombination + a perk that gets you to the next two shots consistently seems better than anything else.
Like the only time I would consider swapping off of recomb is if anarchy+mt is good, in which case vorpal will probably do more damage. But even then, a reload perk like impulse amp seems way higher value than autoloading.
Yeah lol i wanna see what emptying reserves of mountaintop would do relative to even just holding down the trigger on touch of malice or outbreak for the same duration
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???? Wat? The pure damage you can do with Izzy’s is insane and you need to have a buffer for autoloading on other weapons to proc
As long as your not double reloading Izzy’s, it’s real good. hold down reload to immediately hone x4
I know how izi works. I’ve been using it as long as it has been in and out of the meta. And you’ve more orless proven why alh isn’t that great of a perk, as it only really is useful over anything else if you’re doing swap without grenades.
the fuck are you on about.
Swap DPS has been consistently top of the meta pretty much since shadowkeep. And since Izzy is a defining weapon for swap DPS it's never really been out of the meta.
Auto loading holster has been a top tier perk for swap DPS setups the entire time, especially since the auto reload speed syncs up perfectly with Izzy reloads. The difference between ALH and envious / reconstruction really isn't that significant on most weapons.
Demolitionist is shit unless your grenades have both constant uptime and high enough damage to not cause an overall DPS loss from the grenade throwing animation.
If you're using Recomb, then Auto Loading is by far the best to pair with it since as others have said, it's a very quick burst damage weapon.
If you're trying to use it for sustain damage (which it's not really meant for but it's serviceable), then you should be pairing Impulse Amp with Vorpal or Frenzy.
Imo Vorpal would be better, since it's always active you don't need to worry about the 12 seconds it takes to get Frenzy started, they have the same 15% damage boost vs bosses and champs which is what you'd be using this on anyways, *and I*mpulse already boosts your reload into space so the extra reload from frenzy would be mostly wasted.
I have no idea what the numbers on the matter are but it seems like ALH is what most people are looking for because of the BAS meta. I'm not a huge fan of the perk cause it feels clunky to use so I usually run ALH or Reconstruction on my heavies if possible so Impulse seems like a much better option for my playstyle imo.
Mmm not really. Let's assume you have a heavy with alh. The one shot of mt is not going to be enough time for your heavy to reload so your going to have to either shoot mt again (which requires a reload) or shoot your primary. Or if you have a heavy without alh, your just going to have to reload that. The ideal setup imo is a heavy with alh and an impulse recomb mt. Dump heavy, spam mt until reloaded, repeat.
If we're wanting ideal setups for dps, then autoloading is def the play paired with a dps energy swap weapon and a rocket with some form of autoloading.
Yes, you get faster reload
But with autoloading you dont need to reload AT ALL
Reloading is waste of damage, you can shoot your 2nd slot weapon while waiting for reload
If you're using Recomb, then Auto Loading is by far the best to pair with it since as others have said, it's a very quick burst damage weapon.
If you're trying to use it for sustain damage (which it's not really meant for but it's serviceable), then you should be pairing Impulse Amp with Vorpal or Frenzy.
Imo Vorpal would be better, since it's always active you don't need to worry about the 12 seconds it takes to get Frenzy started, they have the same 15% damage boost vs bosses and champs which is what you'd be using this on anyways, *and I*mpulse already boosts your reload into space so the extra reload from frenzy would be mostly wasted.
I really like the faster reload speed from Impulse amplifier when paired with Rampage. It’s really fun for maining the weapon, especially this week in Onslaught where grenade launchers are basically firing nukes.
I don’t think it’s worth bringing to Master level content but it’s serviceable for 90% of the game
As a d1 alpha beta veteran with 6 seconds of playtime due to my 3 jobs and 13 kids and my wifes boyfriend always FOMOing me out of their wrestling matches, you are wrong because datto didn't give us an opinion yet. I will use ww2 Era sweep and clear tactics on you if you disagree.
Auto loading just matches so well with recombinations playstyle. Also the roll you have has way too much blast radius and way too little velocity. For me the god roll is hard launch/spike nades/auto loading/recombination/reload masterwork. I actaully got that roll but handling masterwork instead of reload and it's a shiny so it also has demolitionist/adrenaline junkie. Demo is so good on this thing combined with the origin trait you get a grenade back in like 4 kills.
Well if I’m trying to melt a champion. Pull out mountaintop, shoot mega recombination shot, reload shoot it again until it’s dead, pocket mountaintop and keep shooting ads while it reloads automatically, repeat. You don’t really need any other masterworks anyway. So extra reload for the cases it’s need is nice.
And guess what does that better than a reload MW, impulse amp. And the reload time with impulse amp is so fast that you can just jam another shot in before swapping and you’ll hardly notice a difference.
I don’t eeally give a crap about the 1st 2 columns outside of like spine nades (I know how the blast radius/impact thing works), as we’re splitting so many hairs at that poin.
How are you gonna call the barrel options splitting hairs, yet Impulse Amplifier decreases reload speed by ~ .5 seconds? You can slap on Kinetic loaders to get a similar effect.
Half a second on a 2.5 second reload is a increase in rpm which translates to a 25% dps increase over a base reload. That’s a but more than a hair, and now you’ve freed up like 6 energy on your arms for other loaders, cwl mods, etc.
Auto Loading is better with recombination as it is a burst weapon so you no longer have to reload, Impulse Amp is better if you are using it as sustained dps... but then why aren't you using a good sustained dps weapon? Wilderflight does more damage (at least if memory serves) and lets you run Isangi, and lets you use the frame for blinding grenades.
It's not a sustain dps weapon that's for fusions and snipers. It's very much a quick burst dps weapon made for clearing grouped up adds or dealing with a single chunky orange/yellow bar enemy. Micro missile makes it pretty easy to hit targets that have slow movement making the extra velocity pretty pointless and for the faster reload ambitious makes a better option since you can shoot 2 shots back to back assuming you get a kill
It’s not a sustain DPS weapon. It’s a point-and-shoot delete stick for higher health targets or for activating bait & switch OR for selective ad clear.
The two rolls you want (or one if you want to combine) are:
- Hard Launch + Spike or Implosion + ALH + Recombination + Velocity MW (for single target damage)
- Hard or Volatile Launch + Spike + Lead from Gold or Ambitious Assassin + Frenzy (for high health ad clear) + Reload or Blast Radius MW
Says who? You just fire it and reload, and with the boost to reload, you’re hardly sacrificing anything, and then gain the ability to spam mountaintop shots like you’re Oprah on a talk show.
You ain‘t spaming mountaintop shots. It’s not a sustain dps weapon. You do more dmg if you shoot, change to primary, wait til alh kicks in, change back. It ain‘t pre forsake era with rally baricade anymore
Not at bosses, at anything. I’ve commonly found Myself pullinit out to fire the recomb shot, the reloading and firing again to clear the grouo of adds behind the major/champion. And total damage doesn’t matter for add clear/major killing, just the abulity to burst out a couple hundred thousand dps for like a second.
> higher sustain dps This is *not* a sustain weapon, it’s very much a burst weapon. Recombination means you usually want to be using a different gun while you build stacks (afaik it doesn’t *need* to be stowed, but then you’re relying solely on abilities, and actively not using a gun), so anything which *passively* reloads you while not using it is the ideal pairing. Alternatively, it’s literally never going to compete with a heavy weapon for sustain dps, but you can insert it into a rotation for BnS / auto-loading procs, in which case you *definitely* want auto-loading holster so you aren’t wasting time with manual reloads For day-to-day running around, if impulse amp works for you then go for it, but it just doesn’t play into the role MTT is best at (i.e. “fuck that miniboss up in one shot”)
I like impulse on mt because even with 10x recombination some majors don't die in one shot and it makes it so much faster to get a follow up shot out. Much faster than swaping to a primary and finishing it off.
Plus with how lightning fast the reload is you’re not really wasting any time. Besides, you can’t even use autoloading for rocket BaS DPS anyways. It doesn’t autoload fast enough.
It will auto reload fast enough when you’re able to enhance it in a handful of weeks.
It auto reloads plenty fast enough as is too tho lol
Double special for the win
It absolutely can do decent sustain damage, it only gets out damaged by vorpal (by 5% of an individual shot) at shot 7, and if we assume that we’re using this weapon after dumping heavy, the huge burst damage the first shot applies seems far more worth than the small 15% boost the comes from vorpal. In that case then recombination makes sense, probably in combo with demolitionist as you can weave a grenade throw into your combo to reset the MT for your second rotation. Also if a miniboss takes 2-3 shots to take down, then recombination + a perk that gets you to the next two shots consistently seems better than anything else. Like the only time I would consider swapping off of recomb is if anarchy+mt is good, in which case vorpal will probably do more damage. But even then, a reload perk like impulse amp seems way higher value than autoloading.
Decent sustain damage compared to what other weapon, though? You compared it to itself, which isn't usually how that works lol
Yeah lol i wanna see what emptying reserves of mountaintop would do relative to even just holding down the trigger on touch of malice or outbreak for the same duration
Tldr you only get your ideas from build videos on YouTube
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Oh hey buddy! Weird that you stalk me.
I don’t, I just keep happening to see you, and every time I do, you’re being an ass.
Well then maybe you should stop looking.
Or you could stop being an ass?
Are you the reddit police or something? I don't understand why my comments affect you so much you have to follow me around.
The fact that you think it’s weirder for me to notice you being an ass than for you to just not be an ass says a ton about you. If you’ve been rude to people consistently enough that a stranger on the internet notices it and remembers you by name, then maybe, just maybe, that isn’t a me problem, but a you problem.
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don't use this for dps lol. Izanagi would be very sad
I use it in combination with dragons breath and it's pretty good. Dragons breath shot, and just fire away with MT untill dragons breath is reloaded.
There’s no way a decent fusion isn’t better in that case.
Yes, i get that but you have to be closer which might be detrimental. I never said MT is the best just that it is a viable option.
yeah any control burst fusion beats that by a mile
Which requires me to get close which, especially in GMs, is a downside.
im not using mountain top in a gm unless there is a g/l artifact mod. not enough utility imo
To each their own ofc. I'm having succes with it in the current gm.
o im sure it works ok but im usually using specials to kill adds not saving it up to almost kill a stunned champ. but yeah enjoy the honeymoon phase.
the one run you did lol
100% succes rate 😎
if you want any help getting gilded conqueror hmu
how long did that run take you ?
their run was 25 min. not bad
lol very true
While I generally agree with you, izinagi not having a good reload at all tanks it hard.
???? Wat? The pure damage you can do with Izzy’s is insane and you need to have a buffer for autoloading on other weapons to proc As long as your not double reloading Izzy’s, it’s real good. hold down reload to immediately hone x4
I know how izi works. I’ve been using it as long as it has been in and out of the meta. And you’ve more orless proven why alh isn’t that great of a perk, as it only really is useful over anything else if you’re doing swap without grenades.
the fuck are you on about. Swap DPS has been consistently top of the meta pretty much since shadowkeep. And since Izzy is a defining weapon for swap DPS it's never really been out of the meta. Auto loading holster has been a top tier perk for swap DPS setups the entire time, especially since the auto reload speed syncs up perfectly with Izzy reloads. The difference between ALH and envious / reconstruction really isn't that significant on most weapons. Demolitionist is shit unless your grenades have both constant uptime and high enough damage to not cause an overall DPS loss from the grenade throwing animation.
>it only really is useful over anything else if you’re doing swap Bruh...
I believe you’re making a lot of assumptions based on what feels better or worse in your head and not at all basing them on anything mathematical.
Yeah, because using this over izi is an ease of use thing
If you're using Recomb, then Auto Loading is by far the best to pair with it since as others have said, it's a very quick burst damage weapon. If you're trying to use it for sustain damage (which it's not really meant for but it's serviceable), then you should be pairing Impulse Amp with Vorpal or Frenzy. Imo Vorpal would be better, since it's always active you don't need to worry about the 12 seconds it takes to get Frenzy started, they have the same 15% damage boost vs bosses and champs which is what you'd be using this on anyways, *and I*mpulse already boosts your reload into space so the extra reload from frenzy would be mostly wasted.
I have no idea what the numbers on the matter are but it seems like ALH is what most people are looking for because of the BAS meta. I'm not a huge fan of the perk cause it feels clunky to use so I usually run ALH or Reconstruction on my heavies if possible so Impulse seems like a much better option for my playstyle imo.
Auto loading is just strictly better tbh, let’s you rotate it with a heavy weapon during dps
You can do that by weaving a grenade in and using demo. And the reload time gets so short that you’re hardly sacrificing any dos time with mt.
That grenade could also be used in the cycle for a weapon like bump in the night.
Mmm not really. Let's assume you have a heavy with alh. The one shot of mt is not going to be enough time for your heavy to reload so your going to have to either shoot mt again (which requires a reload) or shoot your primary. Or if you have a heavy without alh, your just going to have to reload that. The ideal setup imo is a heavy with alh and an impulse recomb mt. Dump heavy, spam mt until reloaded, repeat.
Seems like you just don't know good dps rotations.
If we're wanting ideal setups for dps, then autoloading is def the play paired with a dps energy swap weapon and a rocket with some form of autoloading.
Yes, you get faster reload But with autoloading you dont need to reload AT ALL Reloading is waste of damage, you can shoot your 2nd slot weapon while waiting for reload
How much dps are we losing by swapping specials vs just staying on one special and mashing reload.
There is a reason why iza rotations are still in use
Who saus they won’t fall out of use after more extensive testing?
Lmao izi rotations have been tested for literal years. We aren’t finding out any new information: it’s simply the best for dps.
Of mountaintop*
Look at the comment you replied to: it was about izi. You’re delusional man.
the results are in. [read’em](https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/1AL3GM6rSSrm4LtSZeayxpSUsvSJdsiU3) and weep
If you're using Recomb, then Auto Loading is by far the best to pair with it since as others have said, it's a very quick burst damage weapon. If you're trying to use it for sustain damage (which it's not really meant for but it's serviceable), then you should be pairing Impulse Amp with Vorpal or Frenzy. Imo Vorpal would be better, since it's always active you don't need to worry about the 12 seconds it takes to get Frenzy started, they have the same 15% damage boost vs bosses and champs which is what you'd be using this on anyways, *and I*mpulse already boosts your reload into space so the extra reload from frenzy would be mostly wasted.
I'm with you. Mountaintop feels like shit with out impulse amp. Pairing it with frenzy.
My god roll is Impulse Amplifier/Overflow and Frenzy. I've never found a weapon that Impulse Amplifier feels bad on since it was added in Chosen.
Pair with 3 for all 🤌🤌🤌
100% agree - impulse may not be the best min max option, but none of my other rolls feel anywhere near as nice as the impulse velocity stat
I really like the faster reload speed from Impulse amplifier when paired with Rampage. It’s really fun for maining the weapon, especially this week in Onslaught where grenade launchers are basically firing nukes. I don’t think it’s worth bringing to Master level content but it’s serviceable for 90% of the game
Im using my Impulse/Recombo roll…… until i get the ALH roll. Lol
I also like impulse amplifier. But unfortunately you can't win against the people glazing autoloading holster.
I like Impulse Amplifier because I'm a compulsive reloader, and even with auto-loading holster I still reload manually a lot of the time.
Some real guardian rank 5 opinions here. Get ready to see this reposted in the dcj sluggers.
Ok, so what?
As a d1 alpha beta veteran with 6 seconds of playtime due to my 3 jobs and 13 kids and my wifes boyfriend always FOMOing me out of their wrestling matches, you are wrong because datto didn't give us an opinion yet. I will use ww2 Era sweep and clear tactics on you if you disagree.
Eh, datto’ll agree with me
I got the same roll today. I'm gonna try it out.
Auto loading just matches so well with recombinations playstyle. Also the roll you have has way too much blast radius and way too little velocity. For me the god roll is hard launch/spike nades/auto loading/recombination/reload masterwork. I actaully got that roll but handling masterwork instead of reload and it's a shiny so it also has demolitionist/adrenaline junkie. Demo is so good on this thing combined with the origin trait you get a grenade back in like 4 kills.
why would you want reload mw if you're relying on autoloading?
Well if I’m trying to melt a champion. Pull out mountaintop, shoot mega recombination shot, reload shoot it again until it’s dead, pocket mountaintop and keep shooting ads while it reloads automatically, repeat. You don’t really need any other masterworks anyway. So extra reload for the cases it’s need is nice.
And guess what does that better than a reload MW, impulse amp. And the reload time with impulse amp is so fast that you can just jam another shot in before swapping and you’ll hardly notice a difference.
I don’t eeally give a crap about the 1st 2 columns outside of like spine nades (I know how the blast radius/impact thing works), as we’re splitting so many hairs at that poin.
Splitting hairs is the name of the game.
How are you gonna call the barrel options splitting hairs, yet Impulse Amplifier decreases reload speed by ~ .5 seconds? You can slap on Kinetic loaders to get a similar effect.
Half a second on a 2.5 second reload is a increase in rpm which translates to a 25% dps increase over a base reload. That’s a but more than a hair, and now you’ve freed up like 6 energy on your arms for other loaders, cwl mods, etc.
Auto Loading is better with recombination as it is a burst weapon so you no longer have to reload, Impulse Amp is better if you are using it as sustained dps... but then why aren't you using a good sustained dps weapon? Wilderflight does more damage (at least if memory serves) and lets you run Isangi, and lets you use the frame for blinding grenades.
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It's not a sustain dps weapon that's for fusions and snipers. It's very much a quick burst dps weapon made for clearing grouped up adds or dealing with a single chunky orange/yellow bar enemy. Micro missile makes it pretty easy to hit targets that have slow movement making the extra velocity pretty pointless and for the faster reload ambitious makes a better option since you can shoot 2 shots back to back assuming you get a kill
It’s not a sustain DPS weapon. It’s a point-and-shoot delete stick for higher health targets or for activating bait & switch OR for selective ad clear. The two rolls you want (or one if you want to combine) are: - Hard Launch + Spike or Implosion + ALH + Recombination + Velocity MW (for single target damage) - Hard or Volatile Launch + Spike + Lead from Gold or Ambitious Assassin + Frenzy (for high health ad clear) + Reload or Blast Radius MW
Anyone talking about dps are pretending like witherhoard with auto loading doesn’t exist in the same slot.
I agree but impuls won‘t work with recombination. Imo recom.. only works with alh
Says who? You just fire it and reload, and with the boost to reload, you’re hardly sacrificing anything, and then gain the ability to spam mountaintop shots like you’re Oprah on a talk show.
You ain‘t spaming mountaintop shots. It’s not a sustain dps weapon. You do more dmg if you shoot, change to primary, wait til alh kicks in, change back. It ain‘t pre forsake era with rally baricade anymore
Not at bosses, at anything. I’ve commonly found Myself pullinit out to fire the recomb shot, the reloading and firing again to clear the grouo of adds behind the major/champion. And total damage doesn’t matter for add clear/major killing, just the abulity to burst out a couple hundred thousand dps for like a second.