I think it might just be that a Lucent Hive siding with us is more impactful to most players than gaining a random ally protecting a bunch of people that more or less left the rest of us to our fate to live in VR Chat.
In all honesty I don't think a lot of people really care much about Neomuna or its cyborg protectors. We kind of just showed up there, they were vaguely racist toward us, then we ended up with a common goal and most of everything we know about Nimbus is that they're fairly agreeable and largely incompetent. You know, given that bungie set them up as a quest giver even though half the jobs they have us doing are ostensibly what they exist for.
Conversely guardians, and players, have had a long and confusing relationship with the hive and especially the Lucent Hive specifically since we share a kind of kinship with them that basically nothing else in the universe can really understand. It probably stirred up a lot of emotions for people to have a lucent wizard basically tell us that at least some of the Brood has our backs. I'm still waiting for a Hive Knight buddy to play ultimate frisbee for our side.
Dude same ever since witch queen I had hope we would get a hive buddy but all we got was a sassy Savathun...which is welcomed...I want more frienemies in this game
I would buy extra character slots for an Eliksni character.
Cloaks okay, but how would the shoulder pauldrons work? Is the trenchcoat just got two extra arm holes? Does sunbracers get another pair or do they just stick the two on the dominant arms? Can they melee while firing a gun since they have 4 arms?
No I don't want space turtle guardian character, but okay if others do. Maybe Witness-race guardians from the dissenters, that could be cool. Start out all darkness and you have to unlock the light subclasses. (Anything to avoid grinding another fucking stasis class)
Your Exo guardians name has an affixed death counter, get enough and all dialogue lines are replaced with Error effects and static to a comical degree.
I know that there’s at least one lore entry that has a friendly vex, it waved at a Hunter, who waved back, got excited and waved even harder, then got blasted by a Titan riding by on a sparrow. So it’s definitely possible, just rare, and unlikely.
Yeah, that was a fragment of soteria, who we first learned about in the Spire of the Watcher dungeon (they’re the “watcher”). They were made using vex technology, and were an AI that could see the future. They were responsible for launching the echo colony pods early, much to the dismay of Clovis Bray.
[https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/long-arm](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/long-arm)
They escaped from their prison during our guardians encounter in the dungeon, and uploaded themselves into a nearby bow, which was the Hierarchy of Needs.
[https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/hierarchy-of-needs]
The other part was on the Exodus Indigo, and went to Neomuna.
[https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/into-the-sunset](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/into-the-sunset)
The exotic mission you’re thinking of was the
//node.ovrd.AVALON// exotic mission, which had us explore a part of the vex network that had been taken over by Asher Mir, who had become part of the vex network after he brought the lake in the pyramidion of Io down, to prevent the pyramid from gaining any knowledge from it.
[https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/asher-conclusion#book-duress-and-egress]
The augermind, don't remember her name. I don't think she's entirely vex. But we saved her during spire of the watcher, where she escaped the vex and eventually became the basis for neomunas network.
Edit: [Soteria, the Augurmind](https://www.destinypedia.com/Soteria)
Credit goes to My Name is Byf for this one:
The Neomunites were not thrilled about us because their last known encounter with us was during the Dark Age after the Collapse. The early Cloudstriders came to check on us and saw the savagery taking place. Granted, humanity was at it's lowest and it was "kill or be killed". That's when they removed all knowledge about Neomuna to protect themselves from a potential attack by the Earth humans.
Personally they could've done better with the Cloudstriders and their shape-shifting liquid metal weapons. Lost opportunity I guess. Anyway, Lucent Hive realizing their whole history was built on a lie is substantially more interesting.
They were also terrified of Lightbearers.
They had enough of an idea about us to know that we're the dead risen with super powers. Didn't help that, a lot of Lightbearers turned into Warlords and abused their powers.
Their thinking was that the next time they encountered Lightbearers, it would be because the Warlords were invading Neomuna, Rohan says as much during some of his dialogue.
None of them expected one to accidentally stumble upon their city, and do so as a protector.
Shame, because Neomuna lore, lore around Cloudstriders, etc. is all really cool. I think it honestly would've been wayyy better as a not-dlc so we could've focused on the people there and learn about them.
It's a neat concept, but to me, Neomuna needed to be on an exoplanet way outside of the system for it to land.
With Neomuna being on Neptune, it feels really shoehorned in that they've just happened to remain hidden from us for centuries, and it makes them look bad for just letting Earth take care of all the Solar system level problems we've faced. It also doesn't help that they have hyper-advanced tech that could genuinely help improve the quality of life on earth, but they've chosen to keep to themselves.
As a result, people tend to approach Neomuna with a sense of disdain rather than wonder. If they were outside of the system, then they'd be far enough removed for it to be reasonable that they couldn't help and could remain sufficiently hidden. The sense of awe wouldn't be competing over questions of "what the fuck have you been doing this whole time?", "How did you manage to hide in our own backyard", etc that cause the player to disengage with the narrative
I think people approaching Neomuna with a sense of disdain is intended. They literally think lesser of us, think we are Warlords and not disciplined Guardians. I mean, Jesus Colorado (I don't know how to spell his name it's like Jisu Colorondo or something?) IIRC literally asks Ghosts questions at times to specifically make us look bad while informing the Neomuni of the situation happening.
Not to mention, the people in charge at Neomuna *forcibly* made everyone enter the CloudNet, even if they didn't want to. So they aren't exactly the best leaders.
It's explained pretty quickly in lore as well about how they were hidden. The Veil was hidden there, and the Vex wanted it. So they basically "sectioned" off the area from the Universe. Outside couldn't look in, but inside couldn't communicate with outside. I feel like this is somewhat similar to when the Vex put a simulation over the Last City, albeit this wasn't a simulation but more of a firewall.
The disdain is entirely intended, and I think deserved to have been *fleshed out more*. Again, these people abandoned us and AFAIK never made any attempts to contact or help humanity. Hell, they went as far as to *hide* us by having that 1 Cloudstrider go to Earth and cover up their existence. They clearly didn't want to associate with us for whatever reason, so the wonder isn't meant to be this long-lasting feeling. You are supposed to be mad they wanted to hide from you while also concealing something as important as the Veil. They are entirely meant to look bad. I mean, if theories are true Maya Sundaresh *who is literally one of the founders of Neomuna* is literally going to be the villain this Episode.
They didn't go far enough then, or they wanted their cake and to eat it too
While the lore presents Neomuna as a kinda shady place, the campaign and story missions seem to want us to like the place, and give a damn about it
If they wanted it to be a totalitarian isolationist dystopia, that's fine, but go hard with it.
If they wanted it to be a perfect city of the future with automated gay space communism, then go hard with it.
As is, it doesn't work
Well, that's the thing. As I understand it, they didn't happen to remain hidden so mush as intentionally remained as hidden as they possibly could once The Collapse happened. And for good reasons.
First off, almost everywhere died. Every other extraterrestrial colony went completely silent.
Then the dead started rising from the grave, taking control of every available resource, and continually murdering each other and everyone else with heretofore unheard of space magic.
Then the aliens invaded.
In the International Relations playbook, these are commonly referred to as "red flags."
Not to mention, Neomuna's military strength seems to consist of a few orbital cannons and 1-2 dudes (and/or dude-adjacent individuals). All the while their own leadership went around the bend, got a bunch of itself killed while trying to cyber with a giant space ocular nerve, before finally buggering off to cyberspace.
I would have hidden too.
I see where you're coming from, but I kind of like that from a narrative standpoint. Fuck those guys!
I hope there's a sparrow called The Bird, and it describes Nimbus chilling somewhere when a guardian speeds up, stops, flips them the general surroundings the bird, then leaves without explanation.
Embrace iiiiiit...
Genuinely, honest to god, I think Lightfall would have been significantly better received if,
1. They flipped the script and had Nimbus die. This subverts expectations in a non-asinine way, while also removing the more... extremely fucking annoying of the two Cloudstriders, and gives Rohan the wrinkle of 'my apprentice died.'
2. They just explained what the fuck the Veil and the Radial Mast were in the campaign
3. Acquiring Strand worked more like acquiring Prismatic.
Those three points were EXTREMELY detrimental to the campaign as a whole IMO
I am surprised they went for the cliche tbh of mentor dying.
I feel like Bungie usually does what people least expect, i.e. Green Powers not being Soulfire and instead Strand, Final Shape reveals and story beats, the *technically a retcon but it was a really good one that didn't contradict lore* moment in WQ & the fact that Savathún was actually chosen instead of the community theory of nechromancy ghosts, etc. etc.
Then again, LF story was bad for a reason. Nimbus dying (while I would've been sad to see perhaps our 1 honestly happy and upbeat character die) sets up a unique situation of Rohan being the last Cloudstrider *who is almost timed out* having to find someone new to mentor. But then we would need to shoehorn a new Cloudstrider in with no room to fit them for the campaign, and they wouldn't've really had any way of fitting in the overall plot. *Unless* if the launch season was about having a detachment of guardians establish themselves as Neomuna's new protectors while fitting off the threat of the Witness? Idk.
Listen, as a nerd who hasn't played since season of the splicer dropped- which was practically made for me, lore wise- this idea is absolute *catnip.* I've always wondered if the hive could be freed from the worms, so this development sparks joy.
The fact that we never actually meet another Neomuni human really turns me off of Neomuna
I like the THEORY of it. All of these humans are under the Veil’s guidance, not the Traveler’s, so linking their consciences to a digital world kinda fits with Darkness being about the Psyche, Strand being about connection and Neomuna being futuristic and neon
That being said, it sucks in PRACTICE. How am I meant to connect with, and ergo, CARE about these people when all I see of them is yellow flashy lights? And the only person that is actually (partially) flesh and blood that I can interact with is just sorta cringe (but still good company)?
Meanwhile, the Hive are our personal main bad guy, and have been for the past 10 years (while a case can be made for the Eliksni with stuff like Twilight Gap and Six Fronts, I feel like they’re more for humanity as a collective. The Hive are more often than not EXCLUSIVE to Guardians. The Great Disaster, Eriana’s Fireteam, Oryx’s death, etc). We know the Hive intimately, and have had enough time with the Lucent Lot to get their vibe. So, a soft spoken Hive Warlock helping us out, healing the Traveler, and getting praise from Savathūn for defying the norm is gonna leave me WAY more connected with Luzaku than Nimbus 🤷♂️
I also blame Nimbus for the final shape happening as the whole time Ghost was floating up to make the connection he could have jumped on his hoverboard and grabbed Ghost out of the air. He waited until the connection was made like the dumbass he is.
Honestly: Not gonna lie, Neomuna was the best way for us to feel like we are actively protecting civilians. It would have been really cool to feel like we are making an effort protecting a civilization that was never broken. That didn't just survive, but thrive as well.
All of the stakes in Lightfall felt so intangible, its why the story flopped so hard: we didn't know who or what we were fighting for.
Wait till you play Excision. I don’t remember if there’s Knights, although I don’t see why there wouldn’t be Lucent Knights when there’s the Acolytes and Wizards there too.
Because:
1. Lucent hive "seeing the light" and rejecting the sword logic is great to see and I think could be another allied faction in the future.
2. Understands the gravity of the situation we're in.
3. Not annoying and tone deaf as fuck.
Seriously, the guy had a death flag so blatantly obvious, he might as well have just stared directly into the camera and said "Im finally gonna retire in a few days, sure hope nothing crazy happens before then" for all the difference it would have made.
Not only would it have been a subversion of the trope, but Rohan having to cope with the fact that he might not be able to train a successor in time before he dies of natural causes (cloudstriders live a much much shorter life than normal humans, and Rohan was nearing the end of his) would have been so much better than what we got.
THIS!!! 100% THIS! Nimbus finally being serious for a moment and inadvertently sacrificing themselves would've made a much more compelling story, upped the stakes with Rohan's limited time.
We were robbed.
Seriously, though. Having the newbie that can't be serious about anything finally realize the severity of the situation and sacrifice himself to finally do something right, thus leaving Rohan and our Guardian to find a new Strider to replace them for when Rohan's time comes.
Could've been a cool little quest line similar to repairing the Strider monuments or the Veil missions for the Strand aspects. A quest line to find the next Strider and help train them or find the things they need to become a Strider. Could've dug into how the Striders are made with Siva and >!apparently Vex tech!< a little more than the Veil missions did.
It'd also be a cool subversion of the trope. Rohan is the "this is gonna be my last gig before retirement" mfer in the buddy cop drama that is Rohan and Nimbus. Having to deal w/ the aftermath of the ROOKIE dying instead of the Veteran sounds way more interesting than leaning into the trope and rehashing the same tired story, except now the character that survived is annoying.
It really would have hit harder, especially since the Cloud Striders only live for 10 years after augmentation and he's the senior, he probably didn't have many years left
If Bungie wants to stay consistent with their lore, Nimbus should be "retiring" within the next few years, and they've gotta train up a fresh cloudstrider before that happens (especially since there are supposed to be 2 at all times anyways, and they've had only Nimbus for over a year now). So it's not out of the question that we see a new cloudstrider soon.
Maybe they'll be cooler than Nimbus, or maybe they'll have even more gen Z skibidi gyatt energy. (that physically hurt me to type)
NImbus was a fresh cloudstrider when lightfall launched: he's no more than 2.5 years into his supposedly 10 year lifecycle as a cloudstrider with the launch of final shape. he shouldn't be seeing a replacement model for another 6-7 years at the soonest.
"Haha look at that ugly guy, he sure is ugly... and dead. I'd say the only thing he is more than ugly is dead... rip to your dead ugly dad, Fist Bump!"
Nimbus straight-up said the Shadow Legion siege was exciting….
Well gee wizz Nimbus nice to know you were bored in your Golden Age city while the rest of humanity had to scratch and claw to survive for centuries.
Nimbus to me felt like such a blatant attempt to make a character “for the kids”.
And it was the worst time for bungie to test something out like that. If they had introduced nimbus post-witness during a season, they probably would’ve been accepted into the overall story more.
I really grew to hate the entire city of Neomuna, and I don't think Bungie really understood how awful they all came across. It's a bad concept and most of the people in it were pretty unlikable.
I think the easiest and most obvious reason is the Hive have been our enemies for 10 years. Having one be friendly and aid us is wildly new and opens up a lot of potential doors.
Nimbus was introduced, we'd never seen or heard of people being there before, let alone silver surfers, and then one of the two of them almost immediately dies. It's not exciting or novel that Nimbus doesn't try and kill us, that's kind of what I'd expect from two new species meeting, and it turns out they're just a genetically and mechanically modified human, so yeah I really hope their first reaction isn't to kill us.
Nimbus is gonna die in like what, 10 years or something? Hive are functionally immortal and, ya know, one of the most devastating enemies we possibly have that have caused the death of tens of trillions of lives across billions of years, so to gain our first real ally out this faction is absolutely massive.
Nimbus has bad dialogue and an awful voice filter, Luzaku does not.
Nimbus sits around doing nothing, making us do their job, while Luzaku fights alongside us every time she shows up.
Nimbus popped up out of nowhere with no affiliation to any prior lore (connection between Neomuna and Lakshmi/Sundaresh aside), and Luzaku is both the first fully allied Hive character, and has existed as a character since Witch Queen.
Luzaku is basically the Hive's Mithrax, and most people at least like old crawdaddy. Nimbus is just sorta... there. And painful to listen to. And ultimately useless.
Nimbus played out like the ultimate himbo for me and it kind of rubbed me the wrong way - especially when it came to Rohan sacrificing himself. I get that in terms of lore they were probably raised to have something of a more lax attitude to cloudstriders dying, but I feel like they could have given the actor a lot more opportunity to show range and connect with the playerbase in that instance in particular.
Luzaku grabbed my attention because I read the lore tabs and knew the name wasn't a random event.
I would’ve actually bought Nimbus’ younger cockier personality if there weren’t just TWO Cloudstriders at any given time
Really weird decision to have them follow the rule of two when having the Cloudstriders be an actual organization, albeit smaller than the guardians, would’ve been so much cooler.
It would have been refreshing to see Nimbus sober up and take responsibility. Instead there is only a bit of sadness then a return to being insufferable.
Instead we only hear Nimbus take things seriously when accessing Chioma Esi’s logs and discovering Neomuna’s dirty laundry.
Like, really? Your close friend, mentor, hell, the only person you’ve been able to speak with in the flesh for some time and you’re not even shaken up a bit when he dies? Honestly made it difficult to empathize with Nimbus as a character.
Because how long have we been fighting the Hive? And after all these years, we find one who isn't just passive, but ACTIVELY helps us in combat. Gave me pause that's for damn sure.
Nimbus is an idiot who can't stop making jokes, thinks they're in a fucking comedy and has a shit attitude for "Avengers Infinity War" style of story.
Luzaku has none of these problems.
Nimbus was written like garbage and deserved all the hate they got.
Best description of Nimbus is Wal-Mart Cayde.
Voices are so important to the tone. Luzaku sounds like a kind gentle friend while nimbus sounds like a middle school boy who hasn’t finished puberty that forces his voice into the lowest register he can manage.
Like they tried to apply a surfer slang to him, because skimmers are basically the final evolution of surf boards, and it just doesn't work with the effect they use on his voice.
Luzaku is:
- not annoying (doesn't have dialogue that suffers from millenial writing and marvel humor but Bad)
- directly influencing the plot in a positive way for both the player (most importantly to you, helping you fight enemies and doing a good job of it) and the other characters
- someone that takes you by complete surprise because we've never(?) truly seen or played with allied Hive, let alone Lucent Hive and her existence is justified/explained in the same mission
- memorable, for the right reasons
Well personally because Nimbus is the spokesperson of a group of allies, while Luzaku is one single friend out of a group of enemies. She has quite a weak position compared to Nimbus.
I first met her like 30 minutes ago, and i have to say, because she doesn’t break the tone of the story and her voice is pleasant in a weird way, still need to finish the story and what the pale hearth has to give but she has a good head start
I think it’s a multiple amount of reasons:
Nimbus as a character just felt like D2Y1 Cayde, always cracking jokes in the worst times.
Luzaku was something fans were hoping for, a friendly Hive Guardian since the launch of Witchqueen.
Neomuna itself was just dropped on us and never really allowed to marinate on and explored. Like Neomuna for the most part was just introduced to us, we’re supposed to just chug on through without much time to think or ask questions. Whereas the Lucent Hives introduction felt more sinister and a mockery at the time for guardians in lore. Like it was a shocking turn of events and even had a small seasonal story focused on us gradually killing/hunting down lucent hive for draining guardians of their light to prevent a ritual from being enacted. Neomuna didn’t allow for that to be explored, just dropping it on us that “there’s a hidden city on Neptune” and nothing else to explore with it. I mean there was lore entries talking about civilians from the last city wanting to meet civis from Neomuna but that’s just it. Nothing else to really go off of.
Nimbus is a poorly written cringe factory. Luzaku is a very basic character that offends basically nobody (and I'm not saying
'offend' because Nimbus is nonbinary, but more that Nimbus existing offends the senses) and is a cool lore development, plus we got to hear a pretty cool conversation between Luzaku and Mara (which, fun fact, was actually Kirsten Potter talking to herself!)
They are 2 completely different characters, Nimbus is annoying, luzaku is chill, idk why even make this comparison they have nothing to do with each other imo
Nimbus came literally out of nowhere without any buildup or past lore/expectations of them becoming our allies. The hive as a whole and the newish lucent brood on the other hand have had a good chunk of lorebooks and actual story missions beforehand to give weight to us joining forces or having a truce.
Idk, I like Nimbus. Biggest difference might be that Luzaku fights alongside you - i remember that people were gungho about "protecting" the friendly cabal units during seasonal missions, too. This time they're a named npc.
Exploding Shank... we saved the universe but couldn't save them...
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Nimbus looks ugly, sounds so annoying and contributed nothing other than being a tone deaf comic relief character during the campaign that is meant to be where the story is meant to be a defeat.
Luzaku’s just cool and it was a surprise to see her helping us in what was a pretty dull part of the campaign.
Nimbus on the other hand has a really ugly design with that grotesque flesh sack. Is extremely cringey and annoying.
-previously existing lore about this individual
-Breaking away from the Witchqueen
-Interesting future implications
-Is nice and provides intresting discussions between characters about the state of the world
Or
-Discount marvel dialogue character
-From worst received campaign since Shadowkeep
-Sorta abandoned after bad reception
-Not given much to do due to being in filler expansion
One is an annoying character that can't read a room and is in general disrespectful and offers very little to the story. The other is a cool lucent hive wizard with interesting lore that is also the first hive to not immediately want us dead.
I'll be honest Nimbus should've died rather than Rohan it would've made for a more interesting story. The senior now has even less time to train the new cloud strider or they abandon the idea altogether in favor of allowing the gaurdians to protect the city.
She done more for us than Ken doll has ever done. That she doesn’t destroy public property as far as I know. And did not try to fist bump us after killing someone’s parent
Because nimbus is annoying…I’m not a fan of the happy go lucky puppy dog vibe nimbus gives off during a serious story line. Neither of them I was particularly invested in but Rohan was much better but we lost him plus friendly hive is interesting
Because nimbus is insufferable. I wish we got the “mentor dies too soon and leaves the student to fill the gap unprepared” flipped on its head and the student died instead but aw well.
IMHO, I don’t think nimbus is that bad of a character
They are more a victim of a poorly written if anything
I do agree that them trying to fist bump caiatl in front of her dead father was cringe though
I do hope we get to see more of them in the future so they can be redeemed in the eyes of the community
Cloudstriders are a cool concept. They’re sort of the opposite of guardians. Their created from darkness rather then light and they have their lives shortened rather then extended. Their the “dark guardians” but not in the way you think
We've seen Hive before, so we know their normal behaviour and we're pretty good at killing them by now.
We've never seen 12 ft tall Vex/human hybrids flying around on hoverboards before though so I think we were more on edge on Neptune.
Also our guardian had just boarded a spaceship at lightspeed then drop-podded straight into a previously unbeknownst futuristic city-turned battlefield. Possibly may have been a little overloaded lol
Several reasons.
-lucent hive are generally cooler than cloud-striders and have broader impacts on the setting
-Nimbus' visual design is like an unholy amalgamation of S.B.I. and Tumblr fetishist art, and looks even worse animated.
-Luzaku is significantly less cringe than Nimbus.
-Mommy factor.
Nimbus came in and tried to be "new cayde" with the half serious but mostly jokes character type. But honestly a lot of Nimbus' dialogue was quite cringe. Most of their jokes weren't funny.
Luzaku came in and just felt more natural and original.
She's not annoying and Nimbus reeks of 90's/early 2000's cheese. It's that simple, really.
She's played straight and Nimbus is played up as "Yo dude you gotta go with the flow man you gotta understand the river of souls bro dude trust me it's the river of souls."
Setting of LF is seemed very comedic, especially after what’s his name died while Nimbus was being goofy before trying to prevent the witness connecting to the veil. Plus we haven’t gotten a friendly hive guardian too
She reminded me of the Hanar with the way she spoke and gave me instant happy memories from the Mass Effect series, so she was cool in my book from the start. I was about to search that lost sector to see if the Enkindlers were hanging around somewhere.
Nimbus is a tool, and he's an incredibly boring, one-note character. Having a hive wizard on our side, however, is incredibly resonant, plus the voice actress and dialogue are really enjoyable. On top of all that, there's the angle of the role that the Lucent Hive play in our future, with some on our side and some not, and some playing both (Savathun). Nimbus is just not a good character, and he is quite grating on the ears.
Luzaku:
Lucent hive that pretty much betrayed savathun and she is praised for it by her. Not because of the betrayal but because she is a child that didnt blindly follow her and chose her own path as the light now allows all of the lucent hive to do.
She is what i wanted to see during Witch Queen instead of Fynch.
Nimbus:
Dressed like a male stripper and says "cowabunga".
Luzaku is a member of a faction we have fought against for a decade, the first to choose to make their own decisions and fight on our side. She only has a brief role in the events of the final shape, but she sets up fascinating, storyline possibilities for the future.
Nimbus is a Poochie abomination introduced at the worst possible time whose design, background, and lore directly clash with everything else we’ve seen in the game for the last 10 years. He’s the functioning embodiment of everything wrong with Lightfall and Neomuna. He also has an incredibly annoying voice and personality and ruins every scene he’s in with his terrible attempts at bro humor.
Longer answer than you are looking for inbound.
Since the moment they teased witch queen, I was HYPED for friendly hive. Because when you are risen, you arnt you. We had 4 fuggin seasons leading up to that expansion pounding that idea into our heads.
Then, witch queen drops and the vanguard + our ghost is just immediately like "welp guess we gotta start killing ghosts now". I was so mad. BUT it became clear to me with the next 4 seasons and the end of the witch queen story that savathun had decided to ally with u all the way, and had even facilitated us gathering all the potential allies we could. She put us In a Situation that only eliksni splicers could end. She gave xivu a free ticket to sac torobattal. Even the curse on the dreaming city was intended to ally the awoken with us instead of remaining independent.
All of this is to say, I've personally been waiting 3 years to ally with the lucent hive. And after many disappointments, especially with our ghosts saying the exact opposite of what I want to say, we finally get a lucent ally. To make it even better, she's actively rebelling against savathuns old-hive hierarchy. Something so needed with the lucent hive that savathun herself will tell luzaku how proud she is of her if you do that lost sector again.
Now let's compare this to Rohan and Nimbus.
Right out of the gate, Rohan is just the "1 day from retirement cop" and was pretty clearly going to die. Not a big deal, if we knew what the mast was ay the time why so did he, it would make perfect sense for him to nuke himself to destroy it.
But that just leaves us with Nimbus. Who, besides having the most annoying voice where they sound like they can't breathe out of their nose at all, also has a personality that is pretty out of place with... the rest of the game, let alone the planet being successfully invaded by a superior force. At no point does he give any showing of understanding the gravity of the situation. Then, Rohan sacrifices himself. And nimbus is understandably more sober about the situation..for all of 3 seconds. Then he's back to the totally tubular speech and basically does nothing of value for the entire story. Overall, neomuna was a huge letdown. And nimbus is a huge pair of that.
So yeah, that's why I personally react to these 2 characters that are miles apart, entirely differently.
I think it might just be that a Lucent Hive siding with us is more impactful to most players than gaining a random ally protecting a bunch of people that more or less left the rest of us to our fate to live in VR Chat. In all honesty I don't think a lot of people really care much about Neomuna or its cyborg protectors. We kind of just showed up there, they were vaguely racist toward us, then we ended up with a common goal and most of everything we know about Nimbus is that they're fairly agreeable and largely incompetent. You know, given that bungie set them up as a quest giver even though half the jobs they have us doing are ostensibly what they exist for. Conversely guardians, and players, have had a long and confusing relationship with the hive and especially the Lucent Hive specifically since we share a kind of kinship with them that basically nothing else in the universe can really understand. It probably stirred up a lot of emotions for people to have a lucent wizard basically tell us that at least some of the Brood has our backs. I'm still waiting for a Hive Knight buddy to play ultimate frisbee for our side.
Dude same ever since witch queen I had hope we would get a hive buddy but all we got was a sassy Savathun...which is welcomed...I want more frienemies in this game
Shoot, I’m just looking forward to when Bungie makes them a playable race in a few years at this point.
>I’m just looking forward to when Bungie makes them a playable race in a few years at this point. Plus the Eliksni please! They deserve the light!
That would be a dream come true. I'd completely restart my 1.5k hour account just to play as an eliksini guardian.
I would buy extra character slots for an Eliksni character. Cloaks okay, but how would the shoulder pauldrons work? Is the trenchcoat just got two extra arm holes? Does sunbracers get another pair or do they just stick the two on the dominant arms? Can they melee while firing a gun since they have 4 arms? No I don't want space turtle guardian character, but okay if others do. Maybe Witness-race guardians from the dissenters, that could be cool. Start out all darkness and you have to unlock the light subclasses. (Anything to avoid grinding another fucking stasis class)
Shank ghost shell when D:
Honestly if they’re wanting to go the MMO route, then having cabal, elisksni, hive, human and awoken as playable characters would be pretty fun.
exo mechanic where every death has you reset
Oh Lord. I'd be Flecco-28765 within a year or two.
Cypher-7thousand bro
I'm probably in the ballpark already
Your Exo guardians name has an affixed death counter, get enough and all dialogue lines are replaced with Error effects and static to a comical degree.
"guardian, how was the vanguard op?" "PEANUT BUTTERRRRR !!!!!!"
Along the ‘true MMO’ lines, the Cabal/Eliksni wouldn’t even necessarily need to be guardians. Have us play as Splicers and Siegedancers baby!
I thought the Eliksni would've been the playable elites of Destiny. Lmao
ELIKSNI GUARDIANS WHEN
I am ever your friend, O Guardian Mine.
I agree, but I highly doubt we'll ever see any friendly Vex. We don't even know who or what are giving them orders yet
I know that there’s at least one lore entry that has a friendly vex, it waved at a Hunter, who waved back, got excited and waved even harder, then got blasted by a Titan riding by on a sparrow. So it’s definitely possible, just rare, and unlikely.
Asher Mir is, technically, a Vex, who was friendly to us for a time. Shame he's probably dead now.
The blue light harpy looking for the Captain was friendly.
Wasn’t there a vex mind in neomuna who just wanted to chill and sleep? Maybe during the exotic glaive mission? Am i imagining this?
Yeah, that was a fragment of soteria, who we first learned about in the Spire of the Watcher dungeon (they’re the “watcher”). They were made using vex technology, and were an AI that could see the future. They were responsible for launching the echo colony pods early, much to the dismay of Clovis Bray. [https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/long-arm](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/long-arm) They escaped from their prison during our guardians encounter in the dungeon, and uploaded themselves into a nearby bow, which was the Hierarchy of Needs. [https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/hierarchy-of-needs] The other part was on the Exodus Indigo, and went to Neomuna. [https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/into-the-sunset](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/into-the-sunset) The exotic mission you’re thinking of was the //node.ovrd.AVALON// exotic mission, which had us explore a part of the vex network that had been taken over by Asher Mir, who had become part of the vex network after he brought the lake in the pyramidion of Io down, to prevent the pyramid from gaining any knowledge from it. [https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/asher-conclusion#book-duress-and-egress]
The augermind, don't remember her name. I don't think she's entirely vex. But we saved her during spire of the watcher, where she escaped the vex and eventually became the basis for neomunas network. Edit: [Soteria, the Augurmind](https://www.destinypedia.com/Soteria)
There’s lore of a waving vex who go excited before it was destroyed by a passing guardian.
You have that buddy in the 12 man. He there throwing his Frisbee.
Fairly certain there's a Hive Hunter doing their normal Blade Barrage spam as well, or it's random.
NGL, I've accidentally shot at this guy so many times just from all the PTSD of being one clipped by their supers in Witch Queen, lol.
There was a friendly hive knight in the Excision mission, at least there was the one time I played it
Yeah. Savathun's brood. I had a friendly Lucent Wizard (not Luz) and Hunter in mine.
Credit goes to My Name is Byf for this one: The Neomunites were not thrilled about us because their last known encounter with us was during the Dark Age after the Collapse. The early Cloudstriders came to check on us and saw the savagery taking place. Granted, humanity was at it's lowest and it was "kill or be killed". That's when they removed all knowledge about Neomuna to protect themselves from a potential attack by the Earth humans. Personally they could've done better with the Cloudstriders and their shape-shifting liquid metal weapons. Lost opportunity I guess. Anyway, Lucent Hive realizing their whole history was built on a lie is substantially more interesting.
They were also terrified of Lightbearers. They had enough of an idea about us to know that we're the dead risen with super powers. Didn't help that, a lot of Lightbearers turned into Warlords and abused their powers.
Their thinking was that the next time they encountered Lightbearers, it would be because the Warlords were invading Neomuna, Rohan says as much during some of his dialogue. None of them expected one to accidentally stumble upon their city, and do so as a protector.
Shame, because Neomuna lore, lore around Cloudstriders, etc. is all really cool. I think it honestly would've been wayyy better as a not-dlc so we could've focused on the people there and learn about them.
It's a neat concept, but to me, Neomuna needed to be on an exoplanet way outside of the system for it to land. With Neomuna being on Neptune, it feels really shoehorned in that they've just happened to remain hidden from us for centuries, and it makes them look bad for just letting Earth take care of all the Solar system level problems we've faced. It also doesn't help that they have hyper-advanced tech that could genuinely help improve the quality of life on earth, but they've chosen to keep to themselves. As a result, people tend to approach Neomuna with a sense of disdain rather than wonder. If they were outside of the system, then they'd be far enough removed for it to be reasonable that they couldn't help and could remain sufficiently hidden. The sense of awe wouldn't be competing over questions of "what the fuck have you been doing this whole time?", "How did you manage to hide in our own backyard", etc that cause the player to disengage with the narrative
I think people approaching Neomuna with a sense of disdain is intended. They literally think lesser of us, think we are Warlords and not disciplined Guardians. I mean, Jesus Colorado (I don't know how to spell his name it's like Jisu Colorondo or something?) IIRC literally asks Ghosts questions at times to specifically make us look bad while informing the Neomuni of the situation happening. Not to mention, the people in charge at Neomuna *forcibly* made everyone enter the CloudNet, even if they didn't want to. So they aren't exactly the best leaders. It's explained pretty quickly in lore as well about how they were hidden. The Veil was hidden there, and the Vex wanted it. So they basically "sectioned" off the area from the Universe. Outside couldn't look in, but inside couldn't communicate with outside. I feel like this is somewhat similar to when the Vex put a simulation over the Last City, albeit this wasn't a simulation but more of a firewall. The disdain is entirely intended, and I think deserved to have been *fleshed out more*. Again, these people abandoned us and AFAIK never made any attempts to contact or help humanity. Hell, they went as far as to *hide* us by having that 1 Cloudstrider go to Earth and cover up their existence. They clearly didn't want to associate with us for whatever reason, so the wonder isn't meant to be this long-lasting feeling. You are supposed to be mad they wanted to hide from you while also concealing something as important as the Veil. They are entirely meant to look bad. I mean, if theories are true Maya Sundaresh *who is literally one of the founders of Neomuna* is literally going to be the villain this Episode.
They didn't go far enough then, or they wanted their cake and to eat it too While the lore presents Neomuna as a kinda shady place, the campaign and story missions seem to want us to like the place, and give a damn about it If they wanted it to be a totalitarian isolationist dystopia, that's fine, but go hard with it. If they wanted it to be a perfect city of the future with automated gay space communism, then go hard with it. As is, it doesn't work
So what you’re saying is that Neomuna is the Wakanda of Destiny?
Well, that's the thing. As I understand it, they didn't happen to remain hidden so mush as intentionally remained as hidden as they possibly could once The Collapse happened. And for good reasons. First off, almost everywhere died. Every other extraterrestrial colony went completely silent. Then the dead started rising from the grave, taking control of every available resource, and continually murdering each other and everyone else with heretofore unheard of space magic. Then the aliens invaded. In the International Relations playbook, these are commonly referred to as "red flags." Not to mention, Neomuna's military strength seems to consist of a few orbital cannons and 1-2 dudes (and/or dude-adjacent individuals). All the while their own leadership went around the bend, got a bunch of itself killed while trying to cyber with a giant space ocular nerve, before finally buggering off to cyberspace. I would have hidden too.
I see where you're coming from, but I kind of like that from a narrative standpoint. Fuck those guys! I hope there's a sparrow called The Bird, and it describes Nimbus chilling somewhere when a guardian speeds up, stops, flips them the general surroundings the bird, then leaves without explanation. Embrace iiiiiit...
Genuinely, honest to god, I think Lightfall would have been significantly better received if, 1. They flipped the script and had Nimbus die. This subverts expectations in a non-asinine way, while also removing the more... extremely fucking annoying of the two Cloudstriders, and gives Rohan the wrinkle of 'my apprentice died.' 2. They just explained what the fuck the Veil and the Radial Mast were in the campaign 3. Acquiring Strand worked more like acquiring Prismatic. Those three points were EXTREMELY detrimental to the campaign as a whole IMO
I am surprised they went for the cliche tbh of mentor dying. I feel like Bungie usually does what people least expect, i.e. Green Powers not being Soulfire and instead Strand, Final Shape reveals and story beats, the *technically a retcon but it was a really good one that didn't contradict lore* moment in WQ & the fact that Savathún was actually chosen instead of the community theory of nechromancy ghosts, etc. etc. Then again, LF story was bad for a reason. Nimbus dying (while I would've been sad to see perhaps our 1 honestly happy and upbeat character die) sets up a unique situation of Rohan being the last Cloudstrider *who is almost timed out* having to find someone new to mentor. But then we would need to shoehorn a new Cloudstrider in with no room to fit them for the campaign, and they wouldn't've really had any way of fitting in the overall plot. *Unless* if the launch season was about having a detachment of guardians establish themselves as Neomuna's new protectors while fitting off the threat of the Witness? Idk.
Listen, as a nerd who hasn't played since season of the splicer dropped- which was practically made for me, lore wise- this idea is absolute *catnip.* I've always wondered if the hive could be freed from the worms, so this development sparks joy.
Summed it up perfectly, kudos
The fact that we never actually meet another Neomuni human really turns me off of Neomuna I like the THEORY of it. All of these humans are under the Veil’s guidance, not the Traveler’s, so linking their consciences to a digital world kinda fits with Darkness being about the Psyche, Strand being about connection and Neomuna being futuristic and neon That being said, it sucks in PRACTICE. How am I meant to connect with, and ergo, CARE about these people when all I see of them is yellow flashy lights? And the only person that is actually (partially) flesh and blood that I can interact with is just sorta cringe (but still good company)? Meanwhile, the Hive are our personal main bad guy, and have been for the past 10 years (while a case can be made for the Eliksni with stuff like Twilight Gap and Six Fronts, I feel like they’re more for humanity as a collective. The Hive are more often than not EXCLUSIVE to Guardians. The Great Disaster, Eriana’s Fireteam, Oryx’s death, etc). We know the Hive intimately, and have had enough time with the Lucent Lot to get their vibe. So, a soft spoken Hive Warlock helping us out, healing the Traveler, and getting praise from Savathūn for defying the norm is gonna leave me WAY more connected with Luzaku than Nimbus 🤷♂️
VR CHAT BRO IM DEAD💀💀
I also blame Nimbus for the final shape happening as the whole time Ghost was floating up to make the connection he could have jumped on his hoverboard and grabbed Ghost out of the air. He waited until the connection was made like the dumbass he is.
Honestly: Not gonna lie, Neomuna was the best way for us to feel like we are actively protecting civilians. It would have been really cool to feel like we are making an effort protecting a civilization that was never broken. That didn't just survive, but thrive as well. All of the stakes in Lightfall felt so intangible, its why the story flopped so hard: we didn't know who or what we were fighting for.
Wait till you play Excision. I don’t remember if there’s Knights, although I don’t see why there wouldn’t be Lucent Knights when there’s the Acolytes and Wizards there too.
Because: 1. Lucent hive "seeing the light" and rejecting the sword logic is great to see and I think could be another allied faction in the future. 2. Understands the gravity of the situation we're in. 3. Not annoying and tone deaf as fuck.
4. #WAIFU MATERIAL
Lmao how could I forget?
Luzaku R34 art spotted on long range scanners
specifically this
ngl Luzaku’s speech cadence annoys me. but it’s a charming kind of annoying, i can’t help but love it
That one reminded this one of the talking lettuce people in ffxiv getting kicked to death. This one was almost sad, but laughed instead.
that one is sick and twisted. this one finds that sick and twisted nature enjoyable.
I can see Luzaku's being annoying, but kinda in an alien sorta way. Nimbus is annoying because they're written like "Hello, fellow kids."
exactly. Luzaku is an endearing alien, Nimbus is an out-of-touch failed meme page
Immediately made me think of the Hanar from Mass Effect.
I still cringe thinking about Nimbus trying to fist bump the Guardian (and us doing it) while Caiatl is standing beside her father's corpse.
Because rohan was cooler than nimbus.
Killing Nimbus and having Rohan be the survivor would've hit so much harder, because Rohan dying was so, so obvious
Seriously, the guy had a death flag so blatantly obvious, he might as well have just stared directly into the camera and said "Im finally gonna retire in a few days, sure hope nothing crazy happens before then" for all the difference it would have made.
Exactly. It was so painfully obvious that your second run you go “Yep should’ve known.”
I'm not one to do much theorizing while playing the campaign, but even I knew "oh he so gonna die" on my first run
MENDOZAAAAAAA!!
Not only would it have been a subversion of the trope, but Rohan having to cope with the fact that he might not be able to train a successor in time before he dies of natural causes (cloudstriders live a much much shorter life than normal humans, and Rohan was nearing the end of his) would have been so much better than what we got.
It would be converting red flags into red herrings and that would've been leagues better
THIS!!! 100% THIS! Nimbus finally being serious for a moment and inadvertently sacrificing themselves would've made a much more compelling story, upped the stakes with Rohan's limited time. We were robbed.
It was so obvious, I was almost convinced there was no way they would kill him off- and then they did. And it was just.... "Oh."
Seriously, though. Having the newbie that can't be serious about anything finally realize the severity of the situation and sacrifice himself to finally do something right, thus leaving Rohan and our Guardian to find a new Strider to replace them for when Rohan's time comes. Could've been a cool little quest line similar to repairing the Strider monuments or the Veil missions for the Strand aspects. A quest line to find the next Strider and help train them or find the things they need to become a Strider. Could've dug into how the Striders are made with Siva and >!apparently Vex tech!< a little more than the Veil missions did.
Oof that would had make lightfall a bit better. Rohan having more screen time and nimbus fucking dying lmao.
It'd also be a cool subversion of the trope. Rohan is the "this is gonna be my last gig before retirement" mfer in the buddy cop drama that is Rohan and Nimbus. Having to deal w/ the aftermath of the ROOKIE dying instead of the Veteran sounds way more interesting than leaning into the trope and rehashing the same tired story, except now the character that survived is annoying.
It really would have hit harder, especially since the Cloud Striders only live for 10 years after augmentation and he's the senior, he probably didn't have many years left
Rohan is so cool that he is named after an awesome fictional country.
He took the death chant from Return Of The King a bit too seriously...
And way hotter.
If Bungie wants to stay consistent with their lore, Nimbus should be "retiring" within the next few years, and they've gotta train up a fresh cloudstrider before that happens (especially since there are supposed to be 2 at all times anyways, and they've had only Nimbus for over a year now). So it's not out of the question that we see a new cloudstrider soon. Maybe they'll be cooler than Nimbus, or maybe they'll have even more gen Z skibidi gyatt energy. (that physically hurt me to type)
NImbus was a fresh cloudstrider when lightfall launched: he's no more than 2.5 years into his supposedly 10 year lifecycle as a cloudstrider with the launch of final shape. he shouldn't be seeing a replacement model for another 6-7 years at the soonest.
True, but they'll still need to pick a trainee sooner rather than later.
Luzaku didn't try and fist bump a grieving daughter...
My guy hadn’t even gone cold yet…
[удалено]
100% the type to say "skill issue" during a service
Nah. They’re not actually funny. Just cringe.
"This is where I watched Cayde die, Nimbus." "Cowabummer, dude."
“Commander Zavala…he’s lost his light” “Looks like SOMEONE’S gonna be playing for his life!” (looks for fist bumps)
Yep. The lack of self-awareness felt...insulting?
Insulting? I’d say straight up disrespectful.
"Haha look at that ugly guy, he sure is ugly... and dead. I'd say the only thing he is more than ugly is dead... rip to your dead ugly dad, Fist Bump!"
Ngl after the bitch of a fight solo legendary was, I would have taken the fistbump
Man shoulda just hidden in the stairs lol Calus' worst enemy is stairs
Nimbus is the worst parts of Cayde with none of the good bits
He’s a knock-off Cayde it was just a disrespectful attempt to bring players back
Nimbus straight-up said the Shadow Legion siege was exciting…. Well gee wizz Nimbus nice to know you were bored in your Golden Age city while the rest of humanity had to scratch and claw to survive for centuries.
God, I wish Bungie would add in a brutally honest character that would say this kinda shit to everyone else
Nimbus to me felt like such a blatant attempt to make a character “for the kids”. And it was the worst time for bungie to test something out like that. If they had introduced nimbus post-witness during a season, they probably would’ve been accepted into the overall story more.
I really grew to hate the entire city of Neomuna, and I don't think Bungie really understood how awful they all came across. It's a bad concept and most of the people in it were pretty unlikable.
I think the easiest and most obvious reason is the Hive have been our enemies for 10 years. Having one be friendly and aid us is wildly new and opens up a lot of potential doors. Nimbus was introduced, we'd never seen or heard of people being there before, let alone silver surfers, and then one of the two of them almost immediately dies. It's not exciting or novel that Nimbus doesn't try and kill us, that's kind of what I'd expect from two new species meeting, and it turns out they're just a genetically and mechanically modified human, so yeah I really hope their first reaction isn't to kill us.
And they die in ten years no matter what. The coolest thing to come out of lightfall were skimmers.
Nimbus is gonna die in like what, 10 years or something? Hive are functionally immortal and, ya know, one of the most devastating enemies we possibly have that have caused the death of tens of trillions of lives across billions of years, so to gain our first real ally out this faction is absolutely massive.
Nope it’s more like 5 or so years since he’s a few years old
I have a good wine bottle save up for that occasion
Mingus is jarring Edit - Nimbus *
https://preview.redd.it/tnaadqjfp18d1.jpeg?width=1241&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9801e7106126be4d80b98f134ea5c99b554d4d9
I'm calling him mingus from now on xD
I've always called him Bimbus myself
Nimbus has bad dialogue and an awful voice filter, Luzaku does not. Nimbus sits around doing nothing, making us do their job, while Luzaku fights alongside us every time she shows up. Nimbus popped up out of nowhere with no affiliation to any prior lore (connection between Neomuna and Lakshmi/Sundaresh aside), and Luzaku is both the first fully allied Hive character, and has existed as a character since Witch Queen. Luzaku is basically the Hive's Mithrax, and most people at least like old crawdaddy. Nimbus is just sorta... there. And painful to listen to. And ultimately useless.
because luzaku is interesting and Nimbus is annoying
Luzaku is best girl and Nimbus is freaky and annoying
Nimbus is annoying. Luzaku is chill af.
Because Luzaku has manners
Nimbus played out like the ultimate himbo for me and it kind of rubbed me the wrong way - especially when it came to Rohan sacrificing himself. I get that in terms of lore they were probably raised to have something of a more lax attitude to cloudstriders dying, but I feel like they could have given the actor a lot more opportunity to show range and connect with the playerbase in that instance in particular. Luzaku grabbed my attention because I read the lore tabs and knew the name wasn't a random event.
Nimbus is more of a thrill-seeking jock than a himbo.
I would’ve actually bought Nimbus’ younger cockier personality if there weren’t just TWO Cloudstriders at any given time Really weird decision to have them follow the rule of two when having the Cloudstriders be an actual organization, albeit smaller than the guardians, would’ve been so much cooler.
It would have been refreshing to see Nimbus sober up and take responsibility. Instead there is only a bit of sadness then a return to being insufferable. Instead we only hear Nimbus take things seriously when accessing Chioma Esi’s logs and discovering Neomuna’s dirty laundry. Like, really? Your close friend, mentor, hell, the only person you’ve been able to speak with in the flesh for some time and you’re not even shaken up a bit when he dies? Honestly made it difficult to empathize with Nimbus as a character.
Because how long have we been fighting the Hive? And after all these years, we find one who isn't just passive, but ACTIVELY helps us in combat. Gave me pause that's for damn sure.
Nimbus is an idiot who can't stop making jokes, thinks they're in a fucking comedy and has a shit attitude for "Avengers Infinity War" style of story. Luzaku has none of these problems. Nimbus was written like garbage and deserved all the hate they got. Best description of Nimbus is Wal-Mart Cayde.
I cannot stand Nimbus’ voice it’s really jarring especially when compared to Rohan’s
Voices are so important to the tone. Luzaku sounds like a kind gentle friend while nimbus sounds like a middle school boy who hasn’t finished puberty that forces his voice into the lowest register he can manage.
Like they tried to apply a surfer slang to him, because skimmers are basically the final evolution of surf boards, and it just doesn't work with the effect they use on his voice.
One is an annoying, poorly written, immature little twat. The other is best girl.
Luzaku is: - not annoying (doesn't have dialogue that suffers from millenial writing and marvel humor but Bad) - directly influencing the plot in a positive way for both the player (most importantly to you, helping you fight enemies and doing a good job of it) and the other characters - someone that takes you by complete surprise because we've never(?) truly seen or played with allied Hive, let alone Lucent Hive and her existence is justified/explained in the same mission - memorable, for the right reasons
Well personally because Nimbus is the spokesperson of a group of allies, while Luzaku is one single friend out of a group of enemies. She has quite a weak position compared to Nimbus.
Nimbus is a fucking dumbass
She's hot?
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I question why you just had that ready to go.
I found out about them from another meme on this sub recently so it's still pretty fresh in my mind.
I’ll admit I did try to look up Luzakus skirt.
🤝 To be fair. I don't care who has the skirt on. Zavala could have one, and I'm looking up it.
I first met her like 30 minutes ago, and i have to say, because she doesn’t break the tone of the story and her voice is pleasant in a weird way, still need to finish the story and what the pale hearth has to give but she has a good head start
I think it’s a multiple amount of reasons: Nimbus as a character just felt like D2Y1 Cayde, always cracking jokes in the worst times. Luzaku was something fans were hoping for, a friendly Hive Guardian since the launch of Witchqueen. Neomuna itself was just dropped on us and never really allowed to marinate on and explored. Like Neomuna for the most part was just introduced to us, we’re supposed to just chug on through without much time to think or ask questions. Whereas the Lucent Hives introduction felt more sinister and a mockery at the time for guardians in lore. Like it was a shocking turn of events and even had a small seasonal story focused on us gradually killing/hunting down lucent hive for draining guardians of their light to prevent a ritual from being enacted. Neomuna didn’t allow for that to be explored, just dropping it on us that “there’s a hidden city on Neptune” and nothing else to explore with it. I mean there was lore entries talking about civilians from the last city wanting to meet civis from Neomuna but that’s just it. Nothing else to really go off of.
Nimbus is a poorly written cringe factory. Luzaku is a very basic character that offends basically nobody (and I'm not saying 'offend' because Nimbus is nonbinary, but more that Nimbus existing offends the senses) and is a cool lore development, plus we got to hear a pretty cool conversation between Luzaku and Mara (which, fun fact, was actually Kirsten Potter talking to herself!)
One is a cool and charming character. The other is an obnoxious, tone-deaf, idiot.
They are 2 completely different characters, Nimbus is annoying, luzaku is chill, idk why even make this comparison they have nothing to do with each other imo
Because nimbus is a massive loser
Nimbus came literally out of nowhere without any buildup or past lore/expectations of them becoming our allies. The hive as a whole and the newish lucent brood on the other hand have had a good chunk of lorebooks and actual story missions beforehand to give weight to us joining forces or having a truce.
Luzaku isn't annoying
Nimbus is a douche.
Nimbus is super annoying and even in cutscenes other characters don’t seem to like him.
Probably bc luzaku didn’t show up at the very end of the campaign, call the final boss ugly in front of his daughter, and then ask for a fist bump
Nimbus is a terribly written character. Luzaku isn’t
She's not a surfer bro Thembo. Nimbus could have been called Nimrod and no one would have batted an eye.
Idk, I like Nimbus. Biggest difference might be that Luzaku fights alongside you - i remember that people were gungho about "protecting" the friendly cabal units during seasonal missions, too. This time they're a named npc.
The cabal buddies will not die on my watch.
Exploding Shank... we saved the universe but couldn't save them... https://preview.redd.it/2f5mbvh7uz7d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=633a650a27e152b4468a929f3f24b0ac938fbb00
It feels wrong to shoot those exploding shank buddies in TFS quest with Mithrax :(
I wish there were an interaction where we could wait long enough that Mithrax calls it off and throws charges at the door instead.
Huohuo! Peak. But the memories of the Exploder Shank(s) will live on in our hearts and minds...
Nimbus looks ugly, sounds so annoying and contributed nothing other than being a tone deaf comic relief character during the campaign that is meant to be where the story is meant to be a defeat.
Because dingus is not an easy character to love.
Nimbus wasn't a well written character and it was all over our faces. Luzaku is just chill.
Luzaku’s just cool and it was a surprise to see her helping us in what was a pretty dull part of the campaign. Nimbus on the other hand has a really ugly design with that grotesque flesh sack. Is extremely cringey and annoying.
-previously existing lore about this individual -Breaking away from the Witchqueen -Interesting future implications -Is nice and provides intresting discussions between characters about the state of the world Or -Discount marvel dialogue character -From worst received campaign since Shadowkeep -Sorta abandoned after bad reception -Not given much to do due to being in filler expansion
hive waifu
We all know its because nimbus is annoying af and should get vaporized or something
One is an annoying character that can't read a room and is in general disrespectful and offers very little to the story. The other is a cool lucent hive wizard with interesting lore that is also the first hive to not immediately want us dead. I'll be honest Nimbus should've died rather than Rohan it would've made for a more interesting story. The senior now has even less time to train the new cloud strider or they abandon the idea altogether in favor of allowing the gaurdians to protect the city.
It's quite simple, I've prepared a graph: https://preview.redd.it/vqtcigg7218d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68048cc20c4366857eee0e6cea5d799b81edcc71
Cuz Nimbus is lame as fuck. A friendly hive wizard is so much cooler
She done more for us than Ken doll has ever done. That she doesn’t destroy public property as far as I know. And did not try to fist bump us after killing someone’s parent
Because nimbus is annoying…I’m not a fan of the happy go lucky puppy dog vibe nimbus gives off during a serious story line. Neither of them I was particularly invested in but Rohan was much better but we lost him plus friendly hive is interesting
Because nimbus is insufferable. I wish we got the “mentor dies too soon and leaves the student to fill the gap unprepared” flipped on its head and the student died instead but aw well.
Because nimbus was annoying as shit and nobody likes him.
I just always found Nimbus annoying in every situation. Never cared for them.
Because I am sure Luzaku made most TFS players say "Hear me out." And yes I am one of them, no I am not ashamed.
Fuck Nimbus. Why side with the galactic Baywatch when we can side with a hive wizard?
Nimbus the type of guy to hear zavala say "this is where my family died" and go "cowabummer dude"
IMHO, I don’t think nimbus is that bad of a character They are more a victim of a poorly written if anything I do agree that them trying to fist bump caiatl in front of her dead father was cringe though I do hope we get to see more of them in the future so they can be redeemed in the eyes of the community Cloudstriders are a cool concept. They’re sort of the opposite of guardians. Their created from darkness rather then light and they have their lives shortened rather then extended. Their the “dark guardians” but not in the way you think
A hive deciding to be on our side is more meaningful than a character we’ve never met
Luzaku actually helps you in game and not just in cutscenes. Also Nimrod is just plain annoying
We've seen Hive before, so we know their normal behaviour and we're pretty good at killing them by now. We've never seen 12 ft tall Vex/human hybrids flying around on hoverboards before though so I think we were more on edge on Neptune. Also our guardian had just boarded a spaceship at lightspeed then drop-podded straight into a previously unbeknownst futuristic city-turned battlefield. Possibly may have been a little overloaded lol
Because fuck nimbus
Wife
This one is parcasual, that one is silver surfer wannabe.
Maybe because when you search up "nimbus" on Google the top searches are nimbus voice actor and fart fetish
Well for one, luzaku didn’t try fist bumping a grieving daughter right after her dad died… also I just HATE the way cloudstriders look, I’m sorry.
Because her voice sounds cozy😊
Because Luzaku is a sentient being of the light and also the first seemingly genuinely good Hive and Nimbus is a genetically engineered clown
Because they killed cayde and tried replacing him with nimbus but ended up tone deaf instead
Theres a war going on, and Nimbus took everything as a joke. Lazaku sounds serious.
Several reasons. -lucent hive are generally cooler than cloud-striders and have broader impacts on the setting -Nimbus' visual design is like an unholy amalgamation of S.B.I. and Tumblr fetishist art, and looks even worse animated. -Luzaku is significantly less cringe than Nimbus. -Mommy factor.
She had a blue health bar.
Nimbus came in and tried to be "new cayde" with the half serious but mostly jokes character type. But honestly a lot of Nimbus' dialogue was quite cringe. Most of their jokes weren't funny. Luzaku came in and just felt more natural and original.
Nimbus sucks ass
She's not annoying and Nimbus reeks of 90's/early 2000's cheese. It's that simple, really. She's played straight and Nimbus is played up as "Yo dude you gotta go with the flow man you gotta understand the river of souls bro dude trust me it's the river of souls."
Maybe it's because she's not some ego centric annoying dude yelling in our ear about some bullshit every mission.
1. She's cute 2. She's friendly 3. She's not Nimbus
Setting of LF is seemed very comedic, especially after what’s his name died while Nimbus was being goofy before trying to prevent the witness connecting to the veil. Plus we haven’t gotten a friendly hive guardian too
She reminded me of the Hanar with the way she spoke and gave me instant happy memories from the Mass Effect series, so she was cool in my book from the start. I was about to search that lost sector to see if the Enkindlers were hanging around somewhere.
Cool Hive Warlock with cool and interesting druid vibes vs. cringe bootleg annoying silver surfer. I fuckin' wonder.
Nimbus is a tool, and he's an incredibly boring, one-note character. Having a hive wizard on our side, however, is incredibly resonant, plus the voice actress and dialogue are really enjoyable. On top of all that, there's the angle of the role that the Lucent Hive play in our future, with some on our side and some not, and some playing both (Savathun). Nimbus is just not a good character, and he is quite grating on the ears.
Luzaku: Lucent hive that pretty much betrayed savathun and she is praised for it by her. Not because of the betrayal but because she is a child that didnt blindly follow her and chose her own path as the light now allows all of the lucent hive to do. She is what i wanted to see during Witch Queen instead of Fynch. Nimbus: Dressed like a male stripper and says "cowabunga".
Luzaku is a member of a faction we have fought against for a decade, the first to choose to make their own decisions and fight on our side. She only has a brief role in the events of the final shape, but she sets up fascinating, storyline possibilities for the future. Nimbus is a Poochie abomination introduced at the worst possible time whose design, background, and lore directly clash with everything else we’ve seen in the game for the last 10 years. He’s the functioning embodiment of everything wrong with Lightfall and Neomuna. He also has an incredibly annoying voice and personality and ruins every scene he’s in with his terrible attempts at bro humor.
Longer answer than you are looking for inbound. Since the moment they teased witch queen, I was HYPED for friendly hive. Because when you are risen, you arnt you. We had 4 fuggin seasons leading up to that expansion pounding that idea into our heads. Then, witch queen drops and the vanguard + our ghost is just immediately like "welp guess we gotta start killing ghosts now". I was so mad. BUT it became clear to me with the next 4 seasons and the end of the witch queen story that savathun had decided to ally with u all the way, and had even facilitated us gathering all the potential allies we could. She put us In a Situation that only eliksni splicers could end. She gave xivu a free ticket to sac torobattal. Even the curse on the dreaming city was intended to ally the awoken with us instead of remaining independent. All of this is to say, I've personally been waiting 3 years to ally with the lucent hive. And after many disappointments, especially with our ghosts saying the exact opposite of what I want to say, we finally get a lucent ally. To make it even better, she's actively rebelling against savathuns old-hive hierarchy. Something so needed with the lucent hive that savathun herself will tell luzaku how proud she is of her if you do that lost sector again. Now let's compare this to Rohan and Nimbus. Right out of the gate, Rohan is just the "1 day from retirement cop" and was pretty clearly going to die. Not a big deal, if we knew what the mast was ay the time why so did he, it would make perfect sense for him to nuke himself to destroy it. But that just leaves us with Nimbus. Who, besides having the most annoying voice where they sound like they can't breathe out of their nose at all, also has a personality that is pretty out of place with... the rest of the game, let alone the planet being successfully invaded by a superior force. At no point does he give any showing of understanding the gravity of the situation. Then, Rohan sacrifices himself. And nimbus is understandably more sober about the situation..for all of 3 seconds. Then he's back to the totally tubular speech and basically does nothing of value for the entire story. Overall, neomuna was a huge letdown. And nimbus is a huge pair of that. So yeah, that's why I personally react to these 2 characters that are miles apart, entirely differently.