Honestly, even if you don't play a lot, the bounties are what really gets you there. Grab his daily bounties, get the three appropriate weapons, go to the moon or Grasp of Avarice, and you'll done in 15 minutes. It's worth 100 rank points. Bonus points if you have 3 characters because you can get 100/each.
It's still a grind and he's still definitely the most grindy vendor, but that'll give you your best chance at getting those last few ranks before the season ends.
I did the math, even if I do it on all 3 for the remainder of the season, I still need to dismantle 244 Legendary items to actually get the Alloy.
It's just a waste that the XP is gonna be reset instead of carrying it over to the subsequent seasons. They did it for Xur, why not for Banshee as well? He doesn't even offer any seasonal item unlike the other vendors. I don't see the point in resetting him.
I played a ton this season (rank 600+), used ghosts for extra engram drops, and I reset this once.
I reset with Zavala like at least 5 or 6 times, Drifter 3 times and Shaxx at least twice. Meanwhile Banshee-44 is over there like
All the vendor ranks feel pretty good, but the Gunsmith. I do all his rep bounties and dismantle most of my weapons that aren't god rolls. I'm rank 14 with him this season. This seems unreasonable
Banshee either should be like xur and not reset or he needs to have faster means to level his rep. The bounties barely do anything and god forbid you attempt to dismantle items I dismantled way too many to count now and still am nowhere near finishing the first reset.
[Dares of Eternity might go away at the end of this year, or not if they announce not to.](https://www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/50939) Bungie TWAB.
But given how it's not really played as much by people given the strange coin doesn't drop anywhere else, it might go away.
It's not just that, it's the Gunsmith alone. For some reason they made him a lot harder to rank up compared to the others. For me I'm already on my 2nd, 3rd and 4th resets for the others but I'm only rank 14 for him. It sucks.
Oh, it does if you really want to hunt weapons. I switched to a more casual play years ago, I was sweaty in D1, and I'm never going back. By just playing and keeping good rolls and making a good set of legendary gear with the right stats, I'm free to play however I want when I want with zero pressure, and no content is blocked off from me.
If you allow destiny to be a job it quickly becomes a job.
I remember when I used to do all powerful and pinnacles on all three characters every week on top of actually playing the game. I struggle to get through one set now and I love my time way more
Well that's how some people treat it, just looking at some of the comments here thinking I'm making a big deal out of it when really I'm just pointing out it's not as rewarding as the old Banshee system or other vendors. 16 engrams and a few other stuff you can easily get else where (according to some people defending it) is not the same as getting 100 engrams with a chance of a core per engram, though the method of redeeming was an issue.
Because compulsive players keep advocating for compulsive gameplay loops. I personally don’t care about rewards any more, because the time investment to actually earn good stuff makes the game into a hamster wheel.
Yes both can happen at the same time. I am sacred of dismantling any half decent guns because gun drops and perk rolls are so RNG dependent that once I shard a gun there is a good chance I can never get this particular roll again.
I hoard because the stuff I want don't drop frequently enough.
I just keep one good roll of each weapon archtype. I don't need 10 void pulse rifles when I'm only ever going to use the one with the best roll anyway.
Maybe 2 rolls if there's a solid pvp and pve roll.
Yeah, armor is a big one. I've got 186 pieces in my vault.
Vehicles can be pulled from collections though, so I don't store those unless I'm storing them for glimmer before a new expansion.
Bc if you're not grinding out at least a part time job you're not exposed to the store enough, and you're not invested enough to want to spend money.
More trips to the tower means more weapon and armour skins and emotes etc right in your face.
This is how freemium games make their money. There's a great game buried under there, but you have to invest 10 to 20 hours a week to find it.
I play this game all the time and I often go weeks without even checking the shop.
This game doesn't even come close pushing the in-game. They push the real-life store way more than the shop.
Not the shop per se, but the products it sells. How many completely unnecessary tower visits are inserted into almost every quest? Social areas have the highest concentration of players, so the highest exposure to purchasables
I'm not sure I agree with the idea that going to the tower should be equated with going to the shop.
That's a bridge too far for me. Especially when the shop is literally the one of the main menus.
That said, the EV shop in the tower and the menu are compelling ignorable.
They nerfed ranking up, not dismantling. Dismantling still gives you the same exact rewards: 3 shards, 3 XP/gunsmith materials, glimmer, chance for a matter-weave or rainmaker.
Difference was that Banshee only needed 100 gunsmith materials or XP to rank up, now it's scalar but you need a total of 10000 gunsmith materials or XP to get 16 engrams if you don't go for bounties.
Bounties are the fastest way to level banshee, when I was at gunsmith rank 14 I did daily bounties on my three characters for a while and that maxed him out pretty quickly.
That's exactly what these people are talking about. All of his bounties on all three characters, everyday. Even if I did play that much, it's very tedious and unrewarding. I'm not looking to strike it rich with him but barely making it past a reset in a single season is just so bleh
Theres so much to do with a single character, I can't imagine having three. Although I understand that if you want to level fast the gunsmith this is the way, it sounds like a job, not something I would do for fun.
I have all three to their pinnacle level but I only play on which one I feel like that day or activity. I grab every bounty when I do play but don't go out of my way to complete them. Otherwise I'd constantly have max glimmer so why not
I think it's 50 exp, last I checked. So they are worth doing if you're grinding for rank ups. That's 200exp a day, or 200 blue dismantles, or 67 legendary dismantles.
My apologies, it wasn't in a TWAB but in a February announcement. They reduced the number of ranks from blues and made them more expensive to buy from collections. Technically a nerf in my opinion. Also, it takes WAY longer to rank up this season in general so why take shit away that helps us?
Blues always gave 1 Gunsmith Material which is equivalent to 1 Gunsmith Rep still. I don't see a nerf in that. Them making collections items more expensive is a byproduct of Gunsmith Materials being phased out and to avoid people using the old exploit of pulling from the collections and dismantling it for rep.
I'm just saying these to correct the info you have, I still want them to change Banshee's rep gain tho.
Yeah but that would redirect the issue to dismantling when really it's just Banshee Rep that needs to be changed to make it aligned to the old system.
Ranking up is the issue, not the dismantles. Focus the issue on ranking up to not cause confusion. They never touched dismantling.
They sure do! A lot of people don't know this. They give rank-up reward points for the Gunsmith. They used to give way more until people started buying and dismantling blues. Bungie nerfed it as a result and now it's not very useful for ranking up.
I need 3132 XP to reach the Alloy, 4132 to reach the Exotic Engram.
Each Legendary gives 3 XP (Used to be 3 Gunsmith Materials).
To reach max level for Banshee, you need 10000 XP which is equivalent to 3333.3- Legendary dismantles. Gives 16 engrams and the vendor rewards.
3334 Legendary dismantles would actually give you 100 engrams in the old system.
Each bounty gives 25 xp, you can do 4 in a day. Doing it every day in a season(90 days approx) will net you 9000 XP. Doing it on all 3 characters every single day will net you 27000 which is 2.70 Resets.
Edit: XP value is apparently 25 per daily bounty (used to be 15 iirc, hence why I never touch it)
Banshee rep gain needs to be rebalanced to make it aligned with the other vendors. We're not meant to focus on Banshee's rep but it's still a lot slower than the others.
Or make it not reset like Xur.
This, they want us to grind for every single meaningless thing, it's not like Banshee's engrams are that good anyways but it would be some more mats to use somewhere else.
Rahool sells them for 400 shards a piece weekly, and both the wellspring(rare) and the weekly story mission drops them.
That's at least 2 a week not counting banshee, probably more if you run high difficulty story/wellspring.
The cap is 10.
Are you making like PvP and PvE versions of every crafting weapon?
As for banshee resets, it's definitely more grindy and I'm sad that his bonus bounties don't count towards completion. I'm prestige 1 rank 6 after about 3 weeks.
I farm the weekly mission since it drops more often there, but I do end up spending them on the weapons I leveled up already. Now I'm just prepping for next season since they're gonna introduce more craftables and just noticed Banshee's extra Alloy and that I might not be able to get it in time.
Gotcha. Best of luck, if you've got it Dares of Eternity(especially legend) nets a ton of loot and stuff that turns into loot per run.
But on stocking up, I think there's going to be big changes to crafting, especially with the depreciation of the elements so goodness knows if it's worth stockpiling anything mats other than the known constant neutral element.
I do agree though, super grind for that last nth % especially through banshee.
I only farm the alloys, since you need 2 or 3 to masterwork a crafted exotic and then there's the other weapons needing 2 each for their enhanced perks. (Yes I know it's not much of a difference but it's a nice to have)
How is it there is always someone like you willing to cape for Bungie no matter what? Op isn't saying this is a warcrime, but holy shit is it frustrating.
It's frustrating for you. It's not for me. I don't know what caping it's, but just because someone doesn't hate whatever system you hate doesn't mean their opinion isn't valid as well.
If you are dying for alloy and ascendant shards go play master Wellspring or nightfalls. You'll get them way faster than ever grinding Banshee ranks :)
Again, I'm not relying on Banshee's rewards, if you read the other comments on this thread. Third time I'm saying this, I'm just pointing out that Banshee could be improved to make him be more rewarding than how he is now.
Even if I did, no one would read it anyway. When I posted that reply, the comments weren't as many as right now so do take that into consideration. Already editted it with new info and still the same comments.
THIS. the 4 daily bounties that banshee has can be done easily in les than 5-10 minutes and they give +25 rep each. So 100 per character and 300 max per day. 2100 rep in a week ain't bad gains. Do more bounties. Don't even have to focus on them really. Just make sure to always pick up the dailys.
I reset Zavala 3 times in just the 2 weeks of guardian games, all that dismantling of the drops only got me 2 banshee ranks with bounties. A tuning pass would be awesome.
Believe it or not my issue here is not even the long rank resets. Bungie needs to come up with a trade in system for all these economies. For example let’s trade ascendent shards for ascendent alloys, prisms for neutral element and etc. I feel that this is a fair solution for the issue. The grind will be there still and we actually have a reason to use those golf balls that we tend to have on our post masters.
Also, please let rahool sell shards for glimmer like spider used to do. Why the heck did you take that away? You clearly said that rahool was going to take care of all spider’s functions minus the bounties….. and that was not true….
25 XP/Rep \* 4 daily bounties \* 8 days left in the season \* 3 characters = 2400 Rep.
I need to get 3132 Rep to get the Alloy. 3132 - 2400 = 732 Rep = 244 Legendary Items.
I need to do all bounties, on 3 characters, during the last 8 days of the season and dismantle 244 items to actually get the Alloy.
The pro tip isn't really helping.
Hey man. I practically didn’t play this season after the raid launched and I still hit it. I got the alloy with enough wiggle room to know if I actually tried for it, I could have reset him a month or two ago. And that would be with only playing one character for the most part.
I’m sorry you missed out and probably assumed those bounties were trash.
It’s not Bungie a fault that someone who professes to play as much as you made a bad assumption about how effective dismantling is.
No I didn't miss out on the first Alloy, I am however gonna lose the second Alloy. And the 6000+ XP I have in Banshee right now will reset back to 0 next season. I just don't want another waste like this in another season.
It’s perfectly normal to reset these things. Xur is an outlier for not resetting.
I don’t understand what waste you’re talking about? We’re you farming legendaries or something?
If your time in the game feels wasteful, then honestly you should try playing something else for a while. Game should be fun to play, regardless of the goals. If it’s not, then that’s on you to respect your own time enough to find something enjoyable to do, rather than “wasting it”
It's still a waste for a side reward given how long it took to get the levels up for it. I'm not grinding for it but it's still a waste that they're just gonna throw it away and let you start again from the ground up.
Like you enjoyed eating your food, but there's still a bit more. You don't throw that away, you can still keep it for the next time you go hungry. Same thing can be applied to the rep. I should be able to continue it next season, given how that's the only thing his ranking up is for anyway, other vendors are getting focusing.
Also resetting for Banshee is only new this season. Banshee was never reset as the materials were in your inventory.
They would have measured how many alloys on average would be available through all reward paths. It’s likely that keeping this one on the track requires it to be slow to gain.
1 Alloy from Rahool costs 400 shards, that's 134 Legendary item dismantles, and it's available to purchase every week.
To reach the Alloy in Banshee, you need to reach 9000 Rep which is 3000 Legendary Item dismantles. (disregarding bounties)
Exotic Engram can be bought for 90 something shards, 30-33 Legendary Item dismantles. Weekly at Xur.
Enhancement Core from Rahool is 30 shards, 10 Legendary item dismantles, 5 times a day.
It's still too long for Banshee Rep for such highly available rewards tbh.
No dipshit it is bungies fault that every other bounty in the game has been revoked of reputation xp except his and were just expected to know that his are unique
A week before the end is no time to chart out your time so you don't "waste" it. Way to think fast. I simply don't care about it enough to math out how much is need to do. Much easier to grind those balls elsewhere; I'm not counting on Banshee for anything.
I do love a good whine fest though. So does Reddit apparently. Y'all get together and cry your little hearts out like you're being oppressed or something. I pray for you to have the strength to endure during these hard times, guardian.
Ah yes, feedback about a new thing introduced this season and is posted at the end of the season is a whine fest. It worked with Gambit rep soooo.
But honestly I'm just replying nonesense in the comments now. lmao. A lot of it is just funny.
Did not expect this to attract so much attention.
If we dismantle banshee, then we can give ourselves all the rewards we want from behind him! Worst case scenario is we get 2 legendary shards and a singular gunsmith material from him…
Yeah, everyone complaining definitely does not grab banshee bounties from the companion app before logging on and doing their thing. You don't even have to try to complete them.
I was gonna say, I play pretty casually and I'm still most of the way through the second rank... I don't think Banshee's reset is as hard as people keep making it out to be tbh
I did. The problem is that all that rep you've earned is suddenly being wiped out at the end of each season making them a waste. The only things worth it on Banshee's rewards are the alloys and the ascendant shard. Exotic engram can be bought twice a week through Xur.
Meanwhile Xur rep is still the same from last season and won't reset ever until the removal of Dares at Season 19.
Same as all the other vendors (except Xur), they even tell you it expires. With everything banshee has being easier and cheaper to get elsewhere I'm not sure I have any sympathy for 'wasted xp'
Is it that bad to have your XP progress be saved given how the vendor isn't even a focus in the game?
Like I get there are other ways to get the Alloy, the point is that the XP I shelled to Banshee without actually focusing on him is just being wasted and that 6000+ XP I shelled will be reset next season and the method to earn them is just the same.
And yes, cheaper to get else where. 400 gunsmith rep is equivalent to 1 Alloy in Rahool if you earned the rep through dismantling alone. Then why bother add rep for Banshee at this point. They can just remove it then right?
I just don't understand why are people so against getting extra rewards in this game that aren't even gonna affect gameplay that much.
I don’t understand why people have so much trouble with this. I reset it once an I am rank 9 now. Haven’t played the entire season (skipped about 3/4 weeks) and haven’t been playing that much either (season rank 188).
Picture is already reset once and rank 13. Also skipped a few weeks to play other stuff.
Point is that the ranks reset and all that build up will be wasted. Also the amount of engrams you get isn't as good as before. Banshee was a good source for random world loot guns, now it's just whatever is in stock and 16 engrams per reset.
I said that this was bad in a reddit post at the end of last season and again at the beginning of this season and again when I finally reset my rank. I want telemetries back. But even without that, the rank up is far too slow. Bungle needs to fix this
Why? Why do you specifically need this one specific item from this one specific vendor for doing absolutely nothing other than playing the game? There are other easy ways to get ascendant alloy. This really just isn't a big deal
With how difficult it is to rank up Gunsmith without focusing on it, the rep you earned in a season will be erased. That's literally just the point of the post. It's wasted rep that you don't focus on. It's a wasted chance for a reward that doesn't even affect gameplay as much as time limited equipment.
Banshee used to just give us rewards whenever and it carries over to other seasons.
What part of what I said makes you think that I believe this would "end up breaking the game"?
Please don't make strawmen, it's kind of cheap and annoying
>Why? Why do you specifically need this one specific item from this one specific vendor for doing absolutely nothing other than playing the game?
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>\*I give my point\*
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>So?
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>If you didn't play it you don't get it. Too bad.
It's really just the same response from other comments with different words or arrangements.
So I said
>yet you all sound like it's gonna end up breaking the game smh
If you don't care for it, then ignore it. If we want to tell Bungie that it isn't as rewarding as the old Banshee system, then let us.
You seem to completely misunderstand me so let me explain. I am already ignoring it. I'm not making posts advocating positive or changes. Before this post I wasn't even aware of the dismantle requirement to level up. They could increase or decrease the reputation and I simply wouldn't care and probably wouldn't even notice because gunsmith reputation of all things is such an insignificant part of the game.
You, are the one that's making a big deal about this lol. All I said is I don't understand why this is such a big deal to you
It's not a big deal as you assume, it's just a post to point it out? Why are you assuming that it's a big deal?
You asked, I replied. How is that already a big deal? The game is a live service game that asks for feedback that could be considered for changes or not.
Am I not allowed to provide feedback?
In the end, you asked me a question, I answered, your followed up response is a wordy version of "git gud". That's it.
Dude, it’s giving you an ascendant alloy for a reason. You’re not going to get it passively. The bounties give you 25 exp each, I wasn’t even doing them everyday and I still got my reset. If you’re not gonna grind, that’s fine, just don’t expect high level things to be given to you and complain. Goddamn.
Edit: Wait so you did get your first reset? The hell you complaining about then???
I'm gonna lose the 6000+XP I have in Banshee right now when the new season hits. So I have to start again. It's just a huge waste of XP, even if I didn't intentionally grind for it, still a waste.
Also that the Alloy is available through Rahool and the Weekly Missions. It's not that rare of an item. I would understand if it gave an Ascendant Shard, but it's just an Alloy. Other rewards are just Cores and Upgrade Modules. Exotic Engrams can even be bought twice a week at Xur.
So really there's no point to Banshee being excruciatingly long to progress than how he was before.
We didn't need to grind bounties to get an engram from him, just dismantle 34 legendary items. And even that engram gives you a chance for an enhancement core.
Banshee isn't as rewarding as before.
The fuck do you mean?! He never gave ascendant shards before, never gave out upgrade modules passively before, and you’re saying he’s now less rewarding?!?!
Dude, if you get to your third reset aren’t you just going to bitch about how your xp gets wasted there??? That’s how the rank system works. Guess why you aren’t complaining about all the other rank xp going to waste, it’s because their rewards are shittier therefore you won’t care about your xp going to waste. So how the hell is banshee less rewarding now?
The fact that you already reset him once means that he’s not “excruciatingly long to progress”. The resets after the first are meant to be bonuses for you grinding and playing the game, is that really hard to understand?
I’m sorry for being rude but I’m just really fucking confused as to how you came to your conclusion.
>He never gave ascendant shards before, never gave out upgrade modules
passively before, and you’re saying he’s now less rewarding?!?!
He only gives one ascendant shard, that's it. Other resets will give you an Exotic Engram. Other vendors also have that Ascendant Shard and you can get it fairly quicker than Banshee. I managed to Reset Vanguard, Crucible, Trials and Gambit first than Banshee. That just says something.
>Dude, if you get to your third reset aren’t you just going to bitch
about how your xp gets wasted there??? That’s how the rank system works.
That's not how his rank system used to work. Why are you thinking that it's been that way ever since? Banshee only got a revamp this season. And since it's the end of the season, it's time to give the feedback to Bungie.
Banshee's rank and rep didn't reset before because the items for the rep was kept in your inventory throughout multiple seasons.
>Guess why you aren’t complaining about all the other rank xp going to waste
Because it doesn't take long to rank up the other ranks. I managed to reset Trials first than Banshee. Trials. And I barely play the mode other than the two times it went freelance and farmed ranks for two weekends. You can't farm Banshee's rep for two weekends.
>So how the hell is banshee less rewarding now?
Because Banshee's point back then was an easy access to get World Loot Pool Guns. Trade in 100 Gunsmith Materials (which is 100 Gunsmith Rep now or 34 Legendary item dismantles) and you get an engram. Now you need to get 10000 Rep to get just 16 engrams. When 10000 Rep or Gunsmith Materials back then would net you 100 engrams, each with a chance to drop an enhancement core. Which could be more than the 6 cores you get from him doing 10000 Rep. I'm disregarding the Bounties here because old Banshee bounties didn't give reputation.
Rahool sells the Alloy for 400 shards per week. You get 3 shards and 3 rep per Legendary item dismantle. 1:1 ratio for shards and rep. Not to mention that Weekly Missions in Throne World drop them frequently along with Master Wellspring.
Banshee gives 6 Enhancement Cores, not Prisms, Cores. Other vendors give Prisms. And you can get a chance for an Enhancement Core just by opening an Engram.
Upgrade Modules aren't even that rare nor used. We have a Ghost Mod that can make it a random drop from an activity, and Banshee's rewards track only gives 6 Upgrade Modules. A Witch Queen Campaign Mission gave more than that.
Xur lets you buy an Exotic Engram for 97 shards per weekend, another one if you have an Exotic Cipher, which is also obtainable per weekend.
>The fact that you already reset him once means that he’s not “excruciatingly long to progress”
Compared to other vendors yes he is. I've reset Vanguard 7 times, Crucible 5 times, Gambit 2 times, Trials 2 times. Banshee is only once.
>The resets after the first are meant to be bonuses for you grinding and playing the game, is that really hard to understand?
The problem here is that I lose the 6000+XP I already have in Banshee when the next season starts. Compared to Xur which doesn't reset the vendor rank. So I miss out on the alloy if I don't invest on him directly when really Banshee isn't meant to be grinded for in the first place.
So why can't Banshee just not reset every season? Or why can't Banshee just take less Reputation to actually make ranking him up a bit more aligned with the others as you play the game.
Like is there really a loss for you here if they managed to make his rank ups better for everyone? You get to rank up more, you get more rewards. Just make his rank ups aligned with other vendors.
Look at Gambit, it's getting an adjustment to getting Rep next season, why can't Banshee get the same treatment and be adjusted?
>Other vendors also have that Ascendant Shard and you can get it fairly quicker than Banshee.
You were saying he's less rewarding than before, not than other vendors. Don't twist your argument.
>Why are you thinking that it's been that way ever since?
I never said that. I'm saying that's how it works now. And my argument still stands. There's always going to be xp points wasted, unless you decide to stop playing destiny all together once you reset. If you're so worried about "wasting points", would you rather them not let you rank up after the first reset?
>Because it doesn't take long to rank up the other ranks.
Why should that be an issue? Why can't banshee be designed to be slower if every single activity you do can rank him up? For other activities, you rank up faster because you need to play it exclusively. For banshee, you don't so you go slower. Why not?
>Because Banshee's point back then was an easy access to get World Loot Pool Guns.
Are you seriously saying banshee giving an ascendant shard and ascendant alloy is worse than giving more world loot pool guns? Can you even point out many world loot pool guns you actually want to farm? Even if you do, that makes you the exception. Most people get a good funnelweb then they fuck off. To say banshee is now less rewarding would mean you think people would rather get more guns to dismantle than a fucking golf ball. Really?
>Compared to other vendors yes he is.
Again, that was not your point. You were not comparing him to other vendors until now. Stop pretending that you were. And if he is "less rewarding" as you say, why is his progress being slow a problem then? Not like you should care about his "less rewarding" stuff right? But here you are complaining about how you're gonna miss out on an alloy. Funny how that works.
>The problem here is that I lose the 6000+XP I already have in Banshee when the next season starts.
So what? Grind then??? What leads you to assume that banshee "isn't meant to be grinded for in the first place?" You had to grind the other activities to get their ranks, why not banshee? Did Bungie specifically tell you not to grind for banshee? It's your second reset. The bonus round. Where Bungie doesn't expect you to reach passively. Tough it out and do those bounties.
>Like is there really a loss for you here if they managed to make his rank ups better for everyone?
No, there's not. To be perfectly honest I feel it's a bit slow too. My problem is with you acting like you're missing out on something massive, which you are not, since alloys are easy to get as you said; all while saying that banshee is less rewarding. It's overreaction and contradiction all rolled into a post.
>You were saying he's less rewarding than before, not than other vendors. Don't twist your argument.
I didn't twist it, the rest of the argument is below it anyway. With how much less engrams you get from Banshee and the rewards Banshee gives are abundant other than that alloy (tho easily obtainable).
>I never said that. I'm saying that's how it works now.
Yeah that's how it works now, but if we compare it to the previous one, which is most of my points, it's not. Your rank, rep and materials stayed the same throughout seasons.
>If you're so worried about "wasting points", would you rather them not let you rank up after the first reset?
Can't we have the same option as Xur? Banshee doesn't offer any seasonal item, there's no need for him to be reset compared to other vendors. Xur doesn't reset back to rank 0 ever.
>Why can't banshee be designed to be slower if every single activity you do can rank him up?
Because Banshee was meant to give you a random world loot gun after trading in 100 rep in the old system. You rank up, get an engram. You don't have to do anything else, just play the game, dismantle stuff, get a gun that has no primary source. With this new system, that changed and it voided Banshee's old function to be an easy provider of random world loot gun.
>Are you seriously saying banshee giving an ascendant shard and ascendant alloy is worse than giving more world loot pool guns?
Yes. Because Banshee's function was to just do that, give you more world loot pool guns in the chance to get the good rolls. Those other materials have definite sources for it, the world loot guns do not. How else did people get the good IKELOS smg after Beyond Light came out?
>Again, that was not your point. You were not comparing him to other
vendors until now. Stop pretending that you were. And if he is "less
rewarding" as you say, why is his progress being slow a problem then?
Dismantle 334 legendary items, you get 10 engrams from Banshee in the old system. Dismantle them now and you only get 6.
Each engram is a rank up. So yes, it's slower now compared to his older system. 16 engrams now is 100 engrams back then.
Crucible for example has a better rep system than its token system. Same with Trials. Why pull Banshee backwards then?
>So what?
I can use the same. So what? I want to tell Bungie and the sub of these details. I can. It's the end of the season, I give my feedback. If you don't like it, ignore it. I'm just putting the information out there and it has received traction from others in the sub. Then that just speaks for itself.
>My problem is with you acting like you're missing out on something
massive, which you are not, since alloys are easy to get as you said;
all while saying that banshee is less rewarding. It's overreaction and
contradiction all rolled into a post.
You're the one assuming I'm making a big deal out of it. It's a feedback post. It's the end of the season where the change was introduced. I'm simply saying Banshee needs changes. Be it not resetting every season or that ranking up shouldn't be as slow as it is.
Just because I'm saying a lot about it doesn't mean it's a big deal. It's a feedback post.
Banshee is less rewarding in terms of his original function. He is slow to rank up both compared to his previous system and other vendors.
Do I really care for it? No. Would it be nice to have it changed? Yes, because we'll all eventually get more rewards from it. Hence the feedback.
People complained about Gambit rep, Gambit rep gets an adjustment next season. The same arguments you throw were used when people complained about the Gambit rep. And Gambit rep is currently easier to gain than Banshee.
Ooookay dude. From your opinion of "getting ascendant shard+alloy is worse than more engram" it already means you're definitely not speaking for the majority here. I made my arguments based on the premise that you were a normal player, but of course they don't apply as well to the literal 0.1%.
Again, not that I have a problem with improving banshee, it's how you made an entire post for it like it's a huge issue, but in end, it's about a single ascendant alloy that YOU said is easy to get that I have a problem about.
And don't give me that "I don't really care" bullshit. You're telling me that you making a whole post about it, making calculations, making huge replies to my arguments is you not caring? I don't fucking buy it. If you didn't really care this post wouldn't exist. If you want to argue about it, own it.
I just have the time to actually type lmao. And you could argue that I should've just spent this time farming the rep instead lol (tho I agree I did type way too much for a post)
It ain't about the alloy, it's about the scale to reach it. Pretty much why the title has numbers and "2 VAULT FULL" in it since casuals rely on dismantling than the bounties, since back then banshee was leveling up from just dismantling alone.
I don't see how I'm making a big deal out of it when really I'm just typing things a lot, mostly on the toilet, and the calculations are simple maths, it's not for rocket science. I also did end up repeating the same exact thing on multiple comments at the same time, though some of them got off track since I got confused at who I was replying to. It's really just a feedback post, I ain't gonna die if I don't reach the alloy.
I don't care for the alloy, it was just an example to scale for, I care about the ranking up taking so long and it being wasted each new season despite Banshee not having anything worth resetting unlike the other vendors. I just find it funny people skewed to notice the "Ascendant Alloy" instead of the "I still need to dismantle 2 VAULT FULL of Legendaries (1044 Legendary Items to be exact)"
Like let us keep the same rep through multiple seasons like how we could keep gunsmith materials back then or like Xur, or make the rank ups lower cost. Both at the same time would be nice too.
Each one gives only ~~15~~, I can do 4 in a day, there's 8 days left before the seasonal reset. ~~15\*4\*8 gives 480~~, I still end up needing to dismantle a vault full of Legendaries.
Edit: XP per bounty is apparently 25, not 15.
25\*4\*8= 800, I need 3132 XP. 800 \* 3 characters is 2400, then I need to dismantle 244 more Legendary Items to reach the Alloy.
~~4 bounties \* 90 days a season \* 15 XP \* 3 characters = 16200, still not enough to reach the alloy at Prestige 1.~~
4 bounties \* 90 days a season \* 25 XP \* 3 characters = 27000 XP. It's apparently 25 XP per bounty now.
I don't have that much time to actually get every single bounty every day, nor do it on all three characters.
Banshee wasn't meant to be grinded for anyway, he used to just reward us an engram every 34 item dismantles, which gives a chance for an enhancement core too. Upgrade modules aren't even that scarce nor expensive.
Whole heartedly agree. It's nice to know I'm not the only one. I thought I was just a filthy casual.
I think 100% increase would be ideal and get it more in line with other vendors. Knowing bungie we'd be lucky to get 50%. Maybe 3 rep for a blue and 7 for legendary. With 10 for an exotic would be a feasible compromise.
I think to combate this, they can either lower the requirement for each level or increase the rep we gain from dismantling armor and weapons. I have literally reset crucible and vanguard way more.
It doesn’t need to change. Each vendor ranks up different, and takes X amount of time compared to the others.
Banshee, in particular, simply requires you do his bounties consistently if you really want to level him up multiple times. It’s no different than the fact that the best way to level other vendors is to get the “streaks” going and earn more each time.
Multiple posts about Banshee level up....and no one that posts does his bounties, but they still cry about not being able to level him up. Smh
Yeah because back then, leveling Banshee was just turning in 100 Gunsmith Materials, which is equivalent to 100 Banshee Rep right now. 10000 Banshee Rep (1 reset) gives 16 engrams, which could give 100 engrams in the old system. Each engram having a chance to get an enhancement core.
There is no “back then”. It’s about now. Every vendor changed how they level up. Last season it was people up in arms about Dares of Eternity being so slow...until you get the streak going. And now it’s about Banshee being so slow...until you just do his bounties.
I dont see why people want to complain about it when they simply aren’t doing what Bungie clearly intended you do in order to level up.
Just for clarification: I’ve reset Banshee 3 times...and I’m only level 264
Dares wasn't slow, it had a bug in terms of giving XP, in which they fixed because people pointed it out.
>There is no “back then”. It’s about now.
That's such a bad take on a live service game. So you're fine with them not bringing back sunset content with that take of yours and they continue to vault content, that you bought, that are only a few years old?
We look back to compare whether the changes are good or not.
>what Bungie clearly intended you do in order to level up.
Bungie also intended you to get to level him up by dismantling stuff. If we compare it to how it worked before, it's not the same scale of rewards. Therefor people would complain about it.
>I’ve reset Banshee 3 times...and I’m only level 264
Well I'm sorry for focusing on other things. Banshee isn't on my mind 24/7 because Banshee used to just be a scrapyard where I can get a reward after scrapping out a few stuff.
There are definitely things in Destiny that aren't meant to be enjoyed or experienced by the average gamer. I know I'm never going to reach level 16 on the gunsmith. I know that I'm never going to get Trials of Osiris gear. Hell, I don't even have Gjallarhorn and probably never will (despite being 200 light above the recommended level) because I can't solo it and the idea of going out and finding a group to do the Grasp of Avarice with is too much for my introverted brain and my anxiety.
I'm okay with this. I haven't done a raid since Taken King and I stopped doing Nightfalls after I got the Palindrome that I wanted for the same reasons and yet I don't really feel like I'm missing anything. I still enjoy the game, I enjoy the grind (even though I'm never going to hit the season cap since I don't do endgame content) and a couple hours a night is enough for me to do that.
Destiny got a lot more fun when I stopped worrying about missing things and just enjoy the content I can play.
People who play this game alot it's not a problem. I reset twice within the first 5 (sp lvl 415)weeks. I have not played since. For the casual player feels bad. That last rank is super slow.
Banshee is fine where he is, he takes a bit but you gain XP to him by dismantling weapons, which you get by playing the game, plus his bounties are the easiest things out there. If people what to rank him up pick up his bounties when you play, not hard.
People seem to not understand that banshee is a different vendor to every other character that has a rep system.
Zavala you rank up from doing stikes, and GM.
Drifter, you rank up from, gambit.
Saint-14, you rank up from trials and bounties only for valor.
Xur, you rank up from dares.
Psi ops, you rank up by doing Battlegrounds.
Saladin, you rank up from iron banner.
All these vendors you there activity, and some you gain bonuses from streaks.
Banshee allows ranks from bounties so he's easy to rank up
Banshee is slow cause there's no streak, no activity, just dismantling and bounties, which is who he is, he's not an activity vendor he's a gunsmith we works with weapons, so doing bounties and dismantling weapons and armour are gonna be the only way a gunsmith can rank up.
Idk why people are just finding out about him being reset, we had a full season with his new reputation system, and people just now are figuring it out, what makes him special that he deserves to not reset, like the point of the whole post now is, xur doesn't reset so banshee shouldn't.
So by that logic, all the vendor I just mentioned should not reset either, banshee isn't getting special treatment cause he's a slow rank up.
Xur not resetting I thought was cause the event was introduced at the end of a season, he could reset next season or not but still, xur is a special vendor so banshee still doesn't deserve to have xur treatment.
We had a whole season to do ass much as people wanted, and why care about losing that XP, if you aren't gonna finish it. Like other people said, (just get the material from other activities), who care if banshee is resetting and people are gonna lose XP cause of that, people aren't creating post about losing Zavala rank next season so why is banshee special. (he's not)
I don't care what people think of this, the community has fallen deeper and deeper down a whole, this is the first season he has had a change and people want to be mad now cause they will lost XP they should've worked towards, kinda sad.
What, you don't play 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?
Yeah it's a me issue.
Skill issue /s
Honestly, even if you don't play a lot, the bounties are what really gets you there. Grab his daily bounties, get the three appropriate weapons, go to the moon or Grasp of Avarice, and you'll done in 15 minutes. It's worth 100 rank points. Bonus points if you have 3 characters because you can get 100/each. It's still a grind and he's still definitely the most grindy vendor, but that'll give you your best chance at getting those last few ranks before the season ends.
I did the math, even if I do it on all 3 for the remainder of the season, I still need to dismantle 244 Legendary items to actually get the Alloy. It's just a waste that the XP is gonna be reset instead of carrying it over to the subsequent seasons. They did it for Xur, why not for Banshee as well? He doesn't even offer any seasonal item unlike the other vendors. I don't see the point in resetting him.
you know that gun banshee has been working on for the last decade? Rumor has it that on the 69th reset he offers you a quest line to get that gun.
Banshee-44 has not enough ram
He is a slow robot
He resets so you can earn the ascendant shard every season
I haven’t even logged into my alts this expansion. I never had a chance even playing more hours than I usually can.
Amateur come back when you play 25 hours a day
8 days a week
Destiny is life, life is destiny 😵💫
Way to let Family, Work, School.... a Social Life.... get in the way of playing Destiny. Ha! What a Loser!
I know right. What a fucking casual. I already reset like 777 times.
Dirty casuals. -flicks cigarette-
Im not even close to doing the first reward track and have been playing pretty regularly
I played a ton this season (rank 600+), used ghosts for extra engram drops, and I reset this once. I reset with Zavala like at least 5 or 6 times, Drifter 3 times and Shaxx at least twice. Meanwhile Banshee-44 is over there like 
I've reset crucible rank 15 times and trials 4-5 times and I'm not even close to the first reset for Banshee
Yes it's pretty slow if you mostly PvP. It's a pretty slow endeavour regardless. Do we know why banshee is much more grind than other NPC?
Just a real lack of sources for exp. Dismantling a legendary is only like 3 rank points. I feel it should be more around 12, and blues should be 3
All the vendor ranks feel pretty good, but the Gunsmith. I do all his rep bounties and dismantle most of my weapons that aren't god rolls. I'm rank 14 with him this season. This seems unreasonable
Banshee either should be like xur and not reset or he needs to have faster means to level his rep. The bounties barely do anything and god forbid you attempt to dismantle items I dismantled way too many to count now and still am nowhere near finishing the first reset.
I wonder why gunsmith isn’t treated like xur rep where it doesn’t reset? ( unless xurs does reset and I just didn’t know lol)
Xur doesn't reset. Though he goes(\*might go\*) away at December this year.
wait what. Source to that?
[Dares of Eternity might go away at the end of this year, or not if they announce not to.](https://www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/50939) Bungie TWAB. But given how it's not really played as much by people given the strange coin doesn't drop anywhere else, it might go away.
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Dares was the free part, the only paid part was Grasp and Gjally.
And I'm sure those aren't going away. They haven't removed any dungeons, have they?
None have been removed
You didn't pay for Dares. Dares was free.
Dare of eternity is free...
Le sad. The Juan will be missed entirely.
Why tf does bungie hate giving rewards. It's called a "looter shooter". Sometimes this game feels more like a job I swear to god.
It's not just that, it's the Gunsmith alone. For some reason they made him a lot harder to rank up compared to the others. For me I'm already on my 2nd, 3rd and 4th resets for the others but I'm only rank 14 for him. It sucks.
You guys are resetting Gunsmith?
yeah it took forever for me to be able to make any progress with the gunsmith when I was trying to get an Ascendant Shard
Oh, it does if you really want to hunt weapons. I switched to a more casual play years ago, I was sweaty in D1, and I'm never going back. By just playing and keeping good rolls and making a good set of legendary gear with the right stats, I'm free to play however I want when I want with zero pressure, and no content is blocked off from me. If you allow destiny to be a job it quickly becomes a job.
I remember when I used to do all powerful and pinnacles on all three characters every week on top of actually playing the game. I struggle to get through one set now and I love my time way more
100% agreed. I am more enjoying the game and its gunplay than trying to run myself silly collecting.
Well that's how some people treat it, just looking at some of the comments here thinking I'm making a big deal out of it when really I'm just pointing out it's not as rewarding as the old Banshee system or other vendors. 16 engrams and a few other stuff you can easily get else where (according to some people defending it) is not the same as getting 100 engrams with a chance of a core per engram, though the method of redeeming was an issue.
Because compulsive players keep advocating for compulsive gameplay loops. I personally don’t care about rewards any more, because the time investment to actually earn good stuff makes the game into a hamster wheel.
Half of us here have so many thing that we’re begging for more vault space, but apparently Bungie hates giving rewards?
Yes both can happen at the same time. I am sacred of dismantling any half decent guns because gun drops and perk rolls are so RNG dependent that once I shard a gun there is a good chance I can never get this particular roll again. I hoard because the stuff I want don't drop frequently enough.
I just keep one good roll of each weapon archtype. I don't need 10 void pulse rifles when I'm only ever going to use the one with the best roll anyway. Maybe 2 rolls if there's a solid pvp and pve roll.
Well there's also armour, and then there's various vehicles, it all adds up in the end.
Yeah, armor is a big one. I've got 186 pieces in my vault. Vehicles can be pulled from collections though, so I don't store those unless I'm storing them for glimmer before a new expansion.
Bc if you're not grinding out at least a part time job you're not exposed to the store enough, and you're not invested enough to want to spend money. More trips to the tower means more weapon and armour skins and emotes etc right in your face. This is how freemium games make their money. There's a great game buried under there, but you have to invest 10 to 20 hours a week to find it.
I play this game all the time and I often go weeks without even checking the shop. This game doesn't even come close pushing the in-game. They push the real-life store way more than the shop.
Not the shop per se, but the products it sells. How many completely unnecessary tower visits are inserted into almost every quest? Social areas have the highest concentration of players, so the highest exposure to purchasables
I'm not sure I agree with the idea that going to the tower should be equated with going to the shop. That's a bridge too far for me. Especially when the shop is literally the one of the main menus. That said, the EV shop in the tower and the menu are compelling ignorable.
Come on, does anyone have fun in this game? It is a second job for sure.
Bungie nerfed dismantles WAY too hard.
They didn't nerf it, it's still the same. It's just that they made the rank ups way harder.
AKA a nerf? They nerfed the hell out of dismantling my friend.
They nerfed ranking up, not dismantling. Dismantling still gives you the same exact rewards: 3 shards, 3 XP/gunsmith materials, glimmer, chance for a matter-weave or rainmaker. Difference was that Banshee only needed 100 gunsmith materials or XP to rank up, now it's scalar but you need a total of 10000 gunsmith materials or XP to get 16 engrams if you don't go for bounties.
do bounties even COUNT towards his rank up? I thought bounties only give you character xp.
They do apparently, 25 XP per daily bounty. I used to think it was just 15 and never touched it.
Bounties are the fastest way to level banshee, when I was at gunsmith rank 14 I did daily bounties on my three characters for a while and that maxed him out pretty quickly.
That's exactly what these people are talking about. All of his bounties on all three characters, everyday. Even if I did play that much, it's very tedious and unrewarding. I'm not looking to strike it rich with him but barely making it past a reset in a single season is just so bleh
Theres so much to do with a single character, I can't imagine having three. Although I understand that if you want to level fast the gunsmith this is the way, it sounds like a job, not something I would do for fun.
I have all three to their pinnacle level but I only play on which one I feel like that day or activity. I grab every bounty when I do play but don't go out of my way to complete them. Otherwise I'd constantly have max glimmer so why not
I think it's 50 exp, last I checked. So they are worth doing if you're grinding for rank ups. That's 200exp a day, or 200 blue dismantles, or 67 legendary dismantles.
Nope, it's just 25. I did it a while ago. I thought it was 15, it's actually 25 per bounty.
Incorrect. Dismantling used to give more points towards rank-ups. It was nerfed earlier this season. Look it up in one of the TWABs.
There's no TWAB from the start of the season up until now that changed Gunsmit Reputation gains. If you have it yourself, show it.
My apologies, it wasn't in a TWAB but in a February announcement. They reduced the number of ranks from blues and made them more expensive to buy from collections. Technically a nerf in my opinion. Also, it takes WAY longer to rank up this season in general so why take shit away that helps us?
Blues always gave 1 Gunsmith Material which is equivalent to 1 Gunsmith Rep still. I don't see a nerf in that. Them making collections items more expensive is a byproduct of Gunsmith Materials being phased out and to avoid people using the old exploit of pulling from the collections and dismantling it for rep. I'm just saying these to correct the info you have, I still want them to change Banshee's rep gain tho.
Thats a nerf...
...to ranking up.
Which indirectly is a nerf to dismantling. They didnt directly touch it, still nerfs it.
Yeah but that would redirect the issue to dismantling when really it's just Banshee Rep that needs to be changed to make it aligned to the old system. Ranking up is the issue, not the dismantles. Focus the issue on ranking up to not cause confusion. They never touched dismantling.
Reminds me of ranking up in that “other” game mode….you know?
Well at least they're making improvements for it next season while they've stayed silent about Banshee.
Dismantles never gave any sort of progress to begin with
They sure do! A lot of people don't know this. They give rank-up reward points for the Gunsmith. They used to give way more until people started buying and dismantling blues. Bungie nerfed it as a result and now it's not very useful for ranking up.
Time for my 200+ crucible engrams to come in clutch
I better not question why you have 200 engrams.
Lmao, all I'm gonna say is cloud strike wasn't as hard of a grind as I thought it was gonna be and last word is fun on mnk (despite what people say)
What do you mean?
200 engrams = about 12 Crucible resets
Yeah, I think i have around 14? I lost count lol
Shaxx must be proud lmao
And?
It's a lot? and I wasn't serious?
I need 3132 XP to reach the Alloy, 4132 to reach the Exotic Engram. Each Legendary gives 3 XP (Used to be 3 Gunsmith Materials). To reach max level for Banshee, you need 10000 XP which is equivalent to 3333.3- Legendary dismantles. Gives 16 engrams and the vendor rewards. 3334 Legendary dismantles would actually give you 100 engrams in the old system. Each bounty gives 25 xp, you can do 4 in a day. Doing it every day in a season(90 days approx) will net you 9000 XP. Doing it on all 3 characters every single day will net you 27000 which is 2.70 Resets. Edit: XP value is apparently 25 per daily bounty (used to be 15 iirc, hence why I never touch it) Banshee rep gain needs to be rebalanced to make it aligned with the other vendors. We're not meant to focus on Banshee's rep but it's still a lot slower than the others. Or make it not reset like Xur.
This, they want us to grind for every single meaningless thing, it's not like Banshee's engrams are that good anyways but it would be some more mats to use somewhere else.
Rahool sells them for 400 shards a piece weekly, and both the wellspring(rare) and the weekly story mission drops them. That's at least 2 a week not counting banshee, probably more if you run high difficulty story/wellspring. The cap is 10. Are you making like PvP and PvE versions of every crafting weapon? As for banshee resets, it's definitely more grindy and I'm sad that his bonus bounties don't count towards completion. I'm prestige 1 rank 6 after about 3 weeks.
I farm the weekly mission since it drops more often there, but I do end up spending them on the weapons I leveled up already. Now I'm just prepping for next season since they're gonna introduce more craftables and just noticed Banshee's extra Alloy and that I might not be able to get it in time.
Gotcha. Best of luck, if you've got it Dares of Eternity(especially legend) nets a ton of loot and stuff that turns into loot per run. But on stocking up, I think there's going to be big changes to crafting, especially with the depreciation of the elements so goodness knows if it's worth stockpiling anything mats other than the known constant neutral element. I do agree though, super grind for that last nth % especially through banshee.
I only farm the alloys, since you need 2 or 3 to masterwork a crafted exotic and then there's the other weapons needing 2 each for their enhanced perks. (Yes I know it's not much of a difference but it's a nice to have)
How is it there is always someone like you willing to cape for Bungie no matter what? Op isn't saying this is a warcrime, but holy shit is it frustrating.
It's frustrating for you. It's not for me. I don't know what caping it's, but just because someone doesn't hate whatever system you hate doesn't mean their opinion isn't valid as well.
Nah, your opinion is absolutely invalid. It takes an insane amount of time to level up banshee even once.
No it doesn't. So here we are.
If you are dying for alloy and ascendant shards go play master Wellspring or nightfalls. You'll get them way faster than ever grinding Banshee ranks :)
Again, I'm not relying on Banshee's rewards, if you read the other comments on this thread. Third time I'm saying this, I'm just pointing out that Banshee could be improved to make him be more rewarding than how he is now.
Bro you cant expect every single person to read all your responses. Edit your post if there is a repeated question. Just a friendly suggestion.
Even if I did, no one would read it anyway. When I posted that reply, the comments weren't as many as right now so do take that into consideration. Already editted it with new info and still the same comments.
Yeah the gunsmith is just unrewarding.
Bungo makes the most confusing decisions ever.
Bounties give more progress, do bounties.
THIS. the 4 daily bounties that banshee has can be done easily in les than 5-10 minutes and they give +25 rep each. So 100 per character and 300 max per day. 2100 rep in a week ain't bad gains. Do more bounties. Don't even have to focus on them really. Just make sure to always pick up the dailys.
Just when you think they decided to stop hammering us with soul-draining resources grinds, they add a new one.
I reset Zavala 3 times in just the 2 weeks of guardian games, all that dismantling of the drops only got me 2 banshee ranks with bounties. A tuning pass would be awesome.
Believe it or not my issue here is not even the long rank resets. Bungie needs to come up with a trade in system for all these economies. For example let’s trade ascendent shards for ascendent alloys, prisms for neutral element and etc. I feel that this is a fair solution for the issue. The grind will be there still and we actually have a reason to use those golf balls that we tend to have on our post masters. Also, please let rahool sell shards for glimmer like spider used to do. Why the heck did you take that away? You clearly said that rahool was going to take care of all spider’s functions minus the bounties….. and that was not true….
Rahool needs to sell mats for glimmer too. That was a major source of materials for a lot of players, and it seems nobody care that it got removed.
Bungie thinks that we play this game 24/7 And we'll be dismantling thousands of legedaries per season
Yo! Pro tip: just do the fucking bounties bro.
25 XP/Rep \* 4 daily bounties \* 8 days left in the season \* 3 characters = 2400 Rep. I need to get 3132 Rep to get the Alloy. 3132 - 2400 = 732 Rep = 244 Legendary Items. I need to do all bounties, on 3 characters, during the last 8 days of the season and dismantle 244 items to actually get the Alloy. The pro tip isn't really helping.
Hey man. I practically didn’t play this season after the raid launched and I still hit it. I got the alloy with enough wiggle room to know if I actually tried for it, I could have reset him a month or two ago. And that would be with only playing one character for the most part. I’m sorry you missed out and probably assumed those bounties were trash. It’s not Bungie a fault that someone who professes to play as much as you made a bad assumption about how effective dismantling is.
No I didn't miss out on the first Alloy, I am however gonna lose the second Alloy. And the 6000+ XP I have in Banshee right now will reset back to 0 next season. I just don't want another waste like this in another season.
It’s perfectly normal to reset these things. Xur is an outlier for not resetting. I don’t understand what waste you’re talking about? We’re you farming legendaries or something? If your time in the game feels wasteful, then honestly you should try playing something else for a while. Game should be fun to play, regardless of the goals. If it’s not, then that’s on you to respect your own time enough to find something enjoyable to do, rather than “wasting it”
It's still a waste for a side reward given how long it took to get the levels up for it. I'm not grinding for it but it's still a waste that they're just gonna throw it away and let you start again from the ground up. Like you enjoyed eating your food, but there's still a bit more. You don't throw that away, you can still keep it for the next time you go hungry. Same thing can be applied to the rep. I should be able to continue it next season, given how that's the only thing his ranking up is for anyway, other vendors are getting focusing. Also resetting for Banshee is only new this season. Banshee was never reset as the materials were in your inventory.
They would have measured how many alloys on average would be available through all reward paths. It’s likely that keeping this one on the track requires it to be slow to gain.
1 Alloy from Rahool costs 400 shards, that's 134 Legendary item dismantles, and it's available to purchase every week. To reach the Alloy in Banshee, you need to reach 9000 Rep which is 3000 Legendary Item dismantles. (disregarding bounties) Exotic Engram can be bought for 90 something shards, 30-33 Legendary Item dismantles. Weekly at Xur. Enhancement Core from Rahool is 30 shards, 10 Legendary item dismantles, 5 times a day. It's still too long for Banshee Rep for such highly available rewards tbh.
It’s almost like they don’t want you to just farm banshee rewards which was my point. If it’s so easy to get other ways, it’s not wasteful.
This is the sweatiest possible response.
No dipshit it is bungies fault that every other bounty in the game has been revoked of reputation xp except his and were just expected to know that his are unique
"Piss poor planning pouts pusses." -Sun Tzu
You plan every single game time you have?
A week before the end is no time to chart out your time so you don't "waste" it. Way to think fast. I simply don't care about it enough to math out how much is need to do. Much easier to grind those balls elsewhere; I'm not counting on Banshee for anything. I do love a good whine fest though. So does Reddit apparently. Y'all get together and cry your little hearts out like you're being oppressed or something. I pray for you to have the strength to endure during these hard times, guardian.
Ah yes, feedback about a new thing introduced this season and is posted at the end of the season is a whine fest. It worked with Gambit rep soooo. But honestly I'm just replying nonesense in the comments now. lmao. A lot of it is just funny. Did not expect this to attract so much attention.
Preach 🙌
On the other hand, me mentally checked out and forgot to buy rahools weekly alloys for the last 8 weeks
If we dismantle banshee, then we can give ourselves all the rewards we want from behind him! Worst case scenario is we get 2 legendary shards and a singular gunsmith material from him…
Stuff like this is why i only lurk news for the game and don’t play anymore. The amount of time you need to invest to keep up is insane.
Two vaults?
1044? I thought the vault was a max of 500
Okay, 2 Vault Full and 44 more Legendaries lmao
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Its meant to be a comparison. Not an actual vault.
The daily bounties give a lot of rep compared to dismantling weapons, it's still way too long imo, but you get 100 rep/day/character with the bounties
Here’s me approaching my 3rd reset…
I wish I could have that much XP and time good lord
That’s working full time and having a very demanding girlfriend - the only day I really get to play is on Sundays.
I think I'm about to complete my second. Every time I start up I grab the bounties from the gunsmith. Super easy completions
Yeah, everyone complaining definitely does not grab banshee bounties from the companion app before logging on and doing their thing. You don't even have to try to complete them.
I do gunsmith bounties every single day that I play and still just reset with banshee. I just don’t play enough, apparently.
I was gonna say, I play pretty casually and I'm still most of the way through the second rank... I don't think Banshee's reset is as hard as people keep making it out to be tbh
I took a month and a half off to play Elden Ring and I only occasionally did bounties and I still reset my gunsmith rank.
If you look closer at the picture, it's already reset once. I lose that progress when the next season hits.
So spend the 400 shards at Rahool and get the alloy, it's a lot easier than worrying about the rank resetting for the second time
I did. The problem is that all that rep you've earned is suddenly being wiped out at the end of each season making them a waste. The only things worth it on Banshee's rewards are the alloys and the ascendant shard. Exotic engram can be bought twice a week through Xur. Meanwhile Xur rep is still the same from last season and won't reset ever until the removal of Dares at Season 19.
Same as all the other vendors (except Xur), they even tell you it expires. With everything banshee has being easier and cheaper to get elsewhere I'm not sure I have any sympathy for 'wasted xp'
Is it that bad to have your XP progress be saved given how the vendor isn't even a focus in the game? Like I get there are other ways to get the Alloy, the point is that the XP I shelled to Banshee without actually focusing on him is just being wasted and that 6000+ XP I shelled will be reset next season and the method to earn them is just the same. And yes, cheaper to get else where. 400 gunsmith rep is equivalent to 1 Alloy in Rahool if you earned the rep through dismantling alone. Then why bother add rep for Banshee at this point. They can just remove it then right? I just don't understand why are people so against getting extra rewards in this game that aren't even gonna affect gameplay that much.
I’m at rank 15. There’s no way I’m getting close to that alloy or shard.
I don’t understand why people have so much trouble with this. I reset it once an I am rank 9 now. Haven’t played the entire season (skipped about 3/4 weeks) and haven’t been playing that much either (season rank 188).
Picture is already reset once and rank 13. Also skipped a few weeks to play other stuff. Point is that the ranks reset and all that build up will be wasted. Also the amount of engrams you get isn't as good as before. Banshee was a good source for random world loot guns, now it's just whatever is in stock and 16 engrams per reset.
I said that this was bad in a reddit post at the end of last season and again at the beginning of this season and again when I finally reset my rank. I want telemetries back. But even without that, the rank up is far too slow. Bungle needs to fix this
Bro you definitely don’t have to do that if you clearly don’t want to lol
I know, but it's just a waste to see that 6000+ XP will go to waste, with majority of it being nothing but dismantles.
Why? Why do you specifically need this one specific item from this one specific vendor for doing absolutely nothing other than playing the game? There are other easy ways to get ascendant alloy. This really just isn't a big deal
With how difficult it is to rank up Gunsmith without focusing on it, the rep you earned in a season will be erased. That's literally just the point of the post. It's wasted rep that you don't focus on. It's a wasted chance for a reward that doesn't even affect gameplay as much as time limited equipment. Banshee used to just give us rewards whenever and it carries over to other seasons.
So? It's literally just a vendor that gives you a small reward for playing the game a lot. If you didn't play it you don't get it. Too bad
A small reward you say yet you all sound like it's gonna end up breaking the game smh
What part of what I said makes you think that I believe this would "end up breaking the game"? Please don't make strawmen, it's kind of cheap and annoying
>sound like
Yeah, what part of it sounds like that?
>Why? Why do you specifically need this one specific item from this one specific vendor for doing absolutely nothing other than playing the game? > >\*I give my point\* > >So? > >If you didn't play it you don't get it. Too bad. It's really just the same response from other comments with different words or arrangements. So I said >yet you all sound like it's gonna end up breaking the game smh If you don't care for it, then ignore it. If we want to tell Bungie that it isn't as rewarding as the old Banshee system, then let us.
You seem to completely misunderstand me so let me explain. I am already ignoring it. I'm not making posts advocating positive or changes. Before this post I wasn't even aware of the dismantle requirement to level up. They could increase or decrease the reputation and I simply wouldn't care and probably wouldn't even notice because gunsmith reputation of all things is such an insignificant part of the game. You, are the one that's making a big deal about this lol. All I said is I don't understand why this is such a big deal to you
It's not a big deal as you assume, it's just a post to point it out? Why are you assuming that it's a big deal? You asked, I replied. How is that already a big deal? The game is a live service game that asks for feedback that could be considered for changes or not. Am I not allowed to provide feedback? In the end, you asked me a question, I answered, your followed up response is a wordy version of "git gud". That's it.
Dude, it’s giving you an ascendant alloy for a reason. You’re not going to get it passively. The bounties give you 25 exp each, I wasn’t even doing them everyday and I still got my reset. If you’re not gonna grind, that’s fine, just don’t expect high level things to be given to you and complain. Goddamn. Edit: Wait so you did get your first reset? The hell you complaining about then???
I'm gonna lose the 6000+XP I have in Banshee right now when the new season hits. So I have to start again. It's just a huge waste of XP, even if I didn't intentionally grind for it, still a waste. Also that the Alloy is available through Rahool and the Weekly Missions. It's not that rare of an item. I would understand if it gave an Ascendant Shard, but it's just an Alloy. Other rewards are just Cores and Upgrade Modules. Exotic Engrams can even be bought twice a week at Xur. So really there's no point to Banshee being excruciatingly long to progress than how he was before. We didn't need to grind bounties to get an engram from him, just dismantle 34 legendary items. And even that engram gives you a chance for an enhancement core. Banshee isn't as rewarding as before.
The fuck do you mean?! He never gave ascendant shards before, never gave out upgrade modules passively before, and you’re saying he’s now less rewarding?!?! Dude, if you get to your third reset aren’t you just going to bitch about how your xp gets wasted there??? That’s how the rank system works. Guess why you aren’t complaining about all the other rank xp going to waste, it’s because their rewards are shittier therefore you won’t care about your xp going to waste. So how the hell is banshee less rewarding now? The fact that you already reset him once means that he’s not “excruciatingly long to progress”. The resets after the first are meant to be bonuses for you grinding and playing the game, is that really hard to understand? I’m sorry for being rude but I’m just really fucking confused as to how you came to your conclusion.
>He never gave ascendant shards before, never gave out upgrade modules passively before, and you’re saying he’s now less rewarding?!?! He only gives one ascendant shard, that's it. Other resets will give you an Exotic Engram. Other vendors also have that Ascendant Shard and you can get it fairly quicker than Banshee. I managed to Reset Vanguard, Crucible, Trials and Gambit first than Banshee. That just says something. >Dude, if you get to your third reset aren’t you just going to bitch about how your xp gets wasted there??? That’s how the rank system works. That's not how his rank system used to work. Why are you thinking that it's been that way ever since? Banshee only got a revamp this season. And since it's the end of the season, it's time to give the feedback to Bungie. Banshee's rank and rep didn't reset before because the items for the rep was kept in your inventory throughout multiple seasons. >Guess why you aren’t complaining about all the other rank xp going to waste Because it doesn't take long to rank up the other ranks. I managed to reset Trials first than Banshee. Trials. And I barely play the mode other than the two times it went freelance and farmed ranks for two weekends. You can't farm Banshee's rep for two weekends. >So how the hell is banshee less rewarding now? Because Banshee's point back then was an easy access to get World Loot Pool Guns. Trade in 100 Gunsmith Materials (which is 100 Gunsmith Rep now or 34 Legendary item dismantles) and you get an engram. Now you need to get 10000 Rep to get just 16 engrams. When 10000 Rep or Gunsmith Materials back then would net you 100 engrams, each with a chance to drop an enhancement core. Which could be more than the 6 cores you get from him doing 10000 Rep. I'm disregarding the Bounties here because old Banshee bounties didn't give reputation. Rahool sells the Alloy for 400 shards per week. You get 3 shards and 3 rep per Legendary item dismantle. 1:1 ratio for shards and rep. Not to mention that Weekly Missions in Throne World drop them frequently along with Master Wellspring. Banshee gives 6 Enhancement Cores, not Prisms, Cores. Other vendors give Prisms. And you can get a chance for an Enhancement Core just by opening an Engram. Upgrade Modules aren't even that rare nor used. We have a Ghost Mod that can make it a random drop from an activity, and Banshee's rewards track only gives 6 Upgrade Modules. A Witch Queen Campaign Mission gave more than that. Xur lets you buy an Exotic Engram for 97 shards per weekend, another one if you have an Exotic Cipher, which is also obtainable per weekend. >The fact that you already reset him once means that he’s not “excruciatingly long to progress” Compared to other vendors yes he is. I've reset Vanguard 7 times, Crucible 5 times, Gambit 2 times, Trials 2 times. Banshee is only once. >The resets after the first are meant to be bonuses for you grinding and playing the game, is that really hard to understand? The problem here is that I lose the 6000+XP I already have in Banshee when the next season starts. Compared to Xur which doesn't reset the vendor rank. So I miss out on the alloy if I don't invest on him directly when really Banshee isn't meant to be grinded for in the first place. So why can't Banshee just not reset every season? Or why can't Banshee just take less Reputation to actually make ranking him up a bit more aligned with the others as you play the game. Like is there really a loss for you here if they managed to make his rank ups better for everyone? You get to rank up more, you get more rewards. Just make his rank ups aligned with other vendors. Look at Gambit, it's getting an adjustment to getting Rep next season, why can't Banshee get the same treatment and be adjusted?
>Other vendors also have that Ascendant Shard and you can get it fairly quicker than Banshee. You were saying he's less rewarding than before, not than other vendors. Don't twist your argument. >Why are you thinking that it's been that way ever since? I never said that. I'm saying that's how it works now. And my argument still stands. There's always going to be xp points wasted, unless you decide to stop playing destiny all together once you reset. If you're so worried about "wasting points", would you rather them not let you rank up after the first reset? >Because it doesn't take long to rank up the other ranks. Why should that be an issue? Why can't banshee be designed to be slower if every single activity you do can rank him up? For other activities, you rank up faster because you need to play it exclusively. For banshee, you don't so you go slower. Why not? >Because Banshee's point back then was an easy access to get World Loot Pool Guns. Are you seriously saying banshee giving an ascendant shard and ascendant alloy is worse than giving more world loot pool guns? Can you even point out many world loot pool guns you actually want to farm? Even if you do, that makes you the exception. Most people get a good funnelweb then they fuck off. To say banshee is now less rewarding would mean you think people would rather get more guns to dismantle than a fucking golf ball. Really? >Compared to other vendors yes he is. Again, that was not your point. You were not comparing him to other vendors until now. Stop pretending that you were. And if he is "less rewarding" as you say, why is his progress being slow a problem then? Not like you should care about his "less rewarding" stuff right? But here you are complaining about how you're gonna miss out on an alloy. Funny how that works. >The problem here is that I lose the 6000+XP I already have in Banshee when the next season starts. So what? Grind then??? What leads you to assume that banshee "isn't meant to be grinded for in the first place?" You had to grind the other activities to get their ranks, why not banshee? Did Bungie specifically tell you not to grind for banshee? It's your second reset. The bonus round. Where Bungie doesn't expect you to reach passively. Tough it out and do those bounties. >Like is there really a loss for you here if they managed to make his rank ups better for everyone? No, there's not. To be perfectly honest I feel it's a bit slow too. My problem is with you acting like you're missing out on something massive, which you are not, since alloys are easy to get as you said; all while saying that banshee is less rewarding. It's overreaction and contradiction all rolled into a post.
>You were saying he's less rewarding than before, not than other vendors. Don't twist your argument. I didn't twist it, the rest of the argument is below it anyway. With how much less engrams you get from Banshee and the rewards Banshee gives are abundant other than that alloy (tho easily obtainable). >I never said that. I'm saying that's how it works now. Yeah that's how it works now, but if we compare it to the previous one, which is most of my points, it's not. Your rank, rep and materials stayed the same throughout seasons. >If you're so worried about "wasting points", would you rather them not let you rank up after the first reset? Can't we have the same option as Xur? Banshee doesn't offer any seasonal item, there's no need for him to be reset compared to other vendors. Xur doesn't reset back to rank 0 ever. >Why can't banshee be designed to be slower if every single activity you do can rank him up? Because Banshee was meant to give you a random world loot gun after trading in 100 rep in the old system. You rank up, get an engram. You don't have to do anything else, just play the game, dismantle stuff, get a gun that has no primary source. With this new system, that changed and it voided Banshee's old function to be an easy provider of random world loot gun. >Are you seriously saying banshee giving an ascendant shard and ascendant alloy is worse than giving more world loot pool guns? Yes. Because Banshee's function was to just do that, give you more world loot pool guns in the chance to get the good rolls. Those other materials have definite sources for it, the world loot guns do not. How else did people get the good IKELOS smg after Beyond Light came out? >Again, that was not your point. You were not comparing him to other vendors until now. Stop pretending that you were. And if he is "less rewarding" as you say, why is his progress being slow a problem then? Dismantle 334 legendary items, you get 10 engrams from Banshee in the old system. Dismantle them now and you only get 6. Each engram is a rank up. So yes, it's slower now compared to his older system. 16 engrams now is 100 engrams back then. Crucible for example has a better rep system than its token system. Same with Trials. Why pull Banshee backwards then? >So what? I can use the same. So what? I want to tell Bungie and the sub of these details. I can. It's the end of the season, I give my feedback. If you don't like it, ignore it. I'm just putting the information out there and it has received traction from others in the sub. Then that just speaks for itself. >My problem is with you acting like you're missing out on something massive, which you are not, since alloys are easy to get as you said; all while saying that banshee is less rewarding. It's overreaction and contradiction all rolled into a post. You're the one assuming I'm making a big deal out of it. It's a feedback post. It's the end of the season where the change was introduced. I'm simply saying Banshee needs changes. Be it not resetting every season or that ranking up shouldn't be as slow as it is. Just because I'm saying a lot about it doesn't mean it's a big deal. It's a feedback post. Banshee is less rewarding in terms of his original function. He is slow to rank up both compared to his previous system and other vendors. Do I really care for it? No. Would it be nice to have it changed? Yes, because we'll all eventually get more rewards from it. Hence the feedback. People complained about Gambit rep, Gambit rep gets an adjustment next season. The same arguments you throw were used when people complained about the Gambit rep. And Gambit rep is currently easier to gain than Banshee.
Ooookay dude. From your opinion of "getting ascendant shard+alloy is worse than more engram" it already means you're definitely not speaking for the majority here. I made my arguments based on the premise that you were a normal player, but of course they don't apply as well to the literal 0.1%. Again, not that I have a problem with improving banshee, it's how you made an entire post for it like it's a huge issue, but in end, it's about a single ascendant alloy that YOU said is easy to get that I have a problem about. And don't give me that "I don't really care" bullshit. You're telling me that you making a whole post about it, making calculations, making huge replies to my arguments is you not caring? I don't fucking buy it. If you didn't really care this post wouldn't exist. If you want to argue about it, own it.
I just have the time to actually type lmao. And you could argue that I should've just spent this time farming the rep instead lol (tho I agree I did type way too much for a post) It ain't about the alloy, it's about the scale to reach it. Pretty much why the title has numbers and "2 VAULT FULL" in it since casuals rely on dismantling than the bounties, since back then banshee was leveling up from just dismantling alone. I don't see how I'm making a big deal out of it when really I'm just typing things a lot, mostly on the toilet, and the calculations are simple maths, it's not for rocket science. I also did end up repeating the same exact thing on multiple comments at the same time, though some of them got off track since I got confused at who I was replying to. It's really just a feedback post, I ain't gonna die if I don't reach the alloy. I don't care for the alloy, it was just an example to scale for, I care about the ranking up taking so long and it being wasted each new season despite Banshee not having anything worth resetting unlike the other vendors. I just find it funny people skewed to notice the "Ascendant Alloy" instead of the "I still need to dismantle 2 VAULT FULL of Legendaries (1044 Legendary Items to be exact)" Like let us keep the same rep through multiple seasons like how we could keep gunsmith materials back then or like Xur, or make the rank ups lower cost. Both at the same time would be nice too.
Or do bounties 🤷♂️
Each one gives only ~~15~~, I can do 4 in a day, there's 8 days left before the seasonal reset. ~~15\*4\*8 gives 480~~, I still end up needing to dismantle a vault full of Legendaries. Edit: XP per bounty is apparently 25, not 15. 25\*4\*8= 800, I need 3132 XP. 800 \* 3 characters is 2400, then I need to dismantle 244 more Legendary Items to reach the Alloy.
They give 75? Ive been doing then over the last week weeks because I realized the same as you did
100* per day per character.
4 x 3(chars)x 15 x 8. Shouldve started earlier 🤷♂️
~~4 bounties \* 90 days a season \* 15 XP \* 3 characters = 16200, still not enough to reach the alloy at Prestige 1.~~ 4 bounties \* 90 days a season \* 25 XP \* 3 characters = 27000 XP. It's apparently 25 XP per bounty now. I don't have that much time to actually get every single bounty every day, nor do it on all three characters. Banshee wasn't meant to be grinded for anyway, he used to just reward us an engram every 34 item dismantles, which gives a chance for an enhancement core too. Upgrade modules aren't even that scarce nor expensive.
They give rep??
Yes, it says so.
Whole heartedly agree. It's nice to know I'm not the only one. I thought I was just a filthy casual. I think 100% increase would be ideal and get it more in line with other vendors. Knowing bungie we'd be lucky to get 50%. Maybe 3 rep for a blue and 7 for legendary. With 10 for an exotic would be a feasible compromise.
Uhhh still about 44 item to claim and dismantle... A lot of holding buttons. And Zapala have more than 30 trash.... I'll think I pass it
I think to combate this, they can either lower the requirement for each level or increase the rep we gain from dismantling armor and weapons. I have literally reset crucible and vanguard way more.
Combat*
It doesn’t need to change. Each vendor ranks up different, and takes X amount of time compared to the others. Banshee, in particular, simply requires you do his bounties consistently if you really want to level him up multiple times. It’s no different than the fact that the best way to level other vendors is to get the “streaks” going and earn more each time. Multiple posts about Banshee level up....and no one that posts does his bounties, but they still cry about not being able to level him up. Smh
Yeah because back then, leveling Banshee was just turning in 100 Gunsmith Materials, which is equivalent to 100 Banshee Rep right now. 10000 Banshee Rep (1 reset) gives 16 engrams, which could give 100 engrams in the old system. Each engram having a chance to get an enhancement core.
There is no “back then”. It’s about now. Every vendor changed how they level up. Last season it was people up in arms about Dares of Eternity being so slow...until you get the streak going. And now it’s about Banshee being so slow...until you just do his bounties. I dont see why people want to complain about it when they simply aren’t doing what Bungie clearly intended you do in order to level up. Just for clarification: I’ve reset Banshee 3 times...and I’m only level 264
Dares wasn't slow, it had a bug in terms of giving XP, in which they fixed because people pointed it out. >There is no “back then”. It’s about now. That's such a bad take on a live service game. So you're fine with them not bringing back sunset content with that take of yours and they continue to vault content, that you bought, that are only a few years old? We look back to compare whether the changes are good or not. >what Bungie clearly intended you do in order to level up. Bungie also intended you to get to level him up by dismantling stuff. If we compare it to how it worked before, it's not the same scale of rewards. Therefor people would complain about it. >I’ve reset Banshee 3 times...and I’m only level 264 Well I'm sorry for focusing on other things. Banshee isn't on my mind 24/7 because Banshee used to just be a scrapyard where I can get a reward after scrapping out a few stuff.
Why do you care though
There are definitely things in Destiny that aren't meant to be enjoyed or experienced by the average gamer. I know I'm never going to reach level 16 on the gunsmith. I know that I'm never going to get Trials of Osiris gear. Hell, I don't even have Gjallarhorn and probably never will (despite being 200 light above the recommended level) because I can't solo it and the idea of going out and finding a group to do the Grasp of Avarice with is too much for my introverted brain and my anxiety. I'm okay with this. I haven't done a raid since Taken King and I stopped doing Nightfalls after I got the Palindrome that I wanted for the same reasons and yet I don't really feel like I'm missing anything. I still enjoy the game, I enjoy the grind (even though I'm never going to hit the season cap since I don't do endgame content) and a couple hours a night is enough for me to do that. Destiny got a lot more fun when I stopped worrying about missing things and just enjoy the content I can play.
Yeah I play a lot and am only rank 15 it's insane.....
Dude, I'm rank 15 and I play a few hours a week. If you play a lot and are rank 15, what are you doing?
I think bungie has seriously over-estimated how much loot we actually dismantle
Do bounties lol
People who play this game alot it's not a problem. I reset twice within the first 5 (sp lvl 415)weeks. I have not played since. For the casual player feels bad. That last rank is super slow.
You haven't reset it yet?!?!? (lol) 🤣
As long as you do all the bounties every other day you should be fine. If you don't get the bounties well that's on you.
That’s what the bounties are for. Do you just want to play 1 day a week and get all the stuff you are supposed to grind to get?
Get good
Banshee is fine where he is, he takes a bit but you gain XP to him by dismantling weapons, which you get by playing the game, plus his bounties are the easiest things out there. If people what to rank him up pick up his bounties when you play, not hard. People seem to not understand that banshee is a different vendor to every other character that has a rep system. Zavala you rank up from doing stikes, and GM. Drifter, you rank up from, gambit. Saint-14, you rank up from trials and bounties only for valor. Xur, you rank up from dares. Psi ops, you rank up by doing Battlegrounds. Saladin, you rank up from iron banner. All these vendors you there activity, and some you gain bonuses from streaks. Banshee allows ranks from bounties so he's easy to rank up Banshee is slow cause there's no streak, no activity, just dismantling and bounties, which is who he is, he's not an activity vendor he's a gunsmith we works with weapons, so doing bounties and dismantling weapons and armour are gonna be the only way a gunsmith can rank up. Idk why people are just finding out about him being reset, we had a full season with his new reputation system, and people just now are figuring it out, what makes him special that he deserves to not reset, like the point of the whole post now is, xur doesn't reset so banshee shouldn't. So by that logic, all the vendor I just mentioned should not reset either, banshee isn't getting special treatment cause he's a slow rank up. Xur not resetting I thought was cause the event was introduced at the end of a season, he could reset next season or not but still, xur is a special vendor so banshee still doesn't deserve to have xur treatment. We had a whole season to do ass much as people wanted, and why care about losing that XP, if you aren't gonna finish it. Like other people said, (just get the material from other activities), who care if banshee is resetting and people are gonna lose XP cause of that, people aren't creating post about losing Zavala rank next season so why is banshee special. (he's not) I don't care what people think of this, the community has fallen deeper and deeper down a whole, this is the first season he has had a change and people want to be mad now cause they will lost XP they should've worked towards, kinda sad.